A long-term perspective

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>>137820302
>nationalism implies isolationism
Not necessarily. We can live together as distinct peoples, in peace, and share knowledge and resources.

What you're calling decadence I call the spiritual anguish that results from peoples being deprived of a sense of connection to their culture and ancestors - when people feel the belong to and serve something greater than themselves, decadence evaporates because we no longer need hedonism to fill the yawning hole in our souls which must be filled by dedication to one's people.

>Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix and be united in humanity,
The existence of our people and a future for white children is non-negotiable. You and your pathetic end of history narrative is nothing more than an attempt to ease genocide. Fuck off mutt.

>Not necessarily. We can live together as distinct peoples, in peace, and share knowledge and resources.

Dont you think after a while we will start looking similar, have similar or identical traditions,art, culture etc?

>>137822246
If that happens, we can make the decision at that point to merge ethnicities. The supposed inevitability of this outcome should not be used as an excuse to force its implementation.

>>137820302
I'd honestly like skin color to be as trivial as hair color or eye color. I'm sick of hearing about race race race race and identitarian garbage. I just want ideas, raw unbiased knowledge from as many sources as possible.

>>137821626
>The existence of our people and a future for white children is non-negotiable. You and your pathetic end of history narrative is nothing more than an attempt to ease genocide.

If there was a way for the white race to be predominant then I would not care. To be honest it might even be good.

But grow the fuck up, it wont happen, too late for that. Isolation and being stuck in history is the best bet for preserving all that and I dont know if it is worth it

>>137820302
Nationalism can also be interpreted as isolating yourself from the aspects of global culture that you believe are harmful to society. It is a strategy to outlast a world in decay.

>>137822550
Also, consider how worthless all the borders and this pointless race between ourselves are.

Remove the borders and all that money spent on military worldwide is available for other uses. So is pointless trade taxes. Oh and also no more fear of nuclear suicide for humanity

>>137823380
And also a headlong fall into complete decadence and hedonism since the rootless, undifferentiated mulatto mass that results will have no innate culture and will need to have (((someone))) develop one for them. We won't spend all the money we save on our militaries to build libraries and laboratories, we'll spend it on drugs and prostitutes.

>>137822550
>The supposed inevitability of this outcome should not be used as an excuse to force its implementation.

Why waste time on the on the road to greatness, Humanity has to get past the childhood phase at some point. And there are many dangers around us, threatening complete destruction, that evidently require a more enlightened approach to resolve.

>>137824173
>childhood phase
On what basis do you equate our maturity as a species with the eradication of distinct ethnicities? When did love of people become immaturity?

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The United States must go full Roman Empire.

>>137823882
>We won't spend all the money we save on our militaries to build libraries and laboratories, we'll spend it on drugs and prostitutes.

Yes exactly, that is what the new philosophy must address before all other issues! If we allow ourselves to fall into degeneracy than any economic, military or cultural triumph will only make our existence more tragic.

If any substantial victory is to be achieved than the battle will be fought in the fields of the human soul. We dedicate so much study into economics, medicine, mathematics. Just imagine what insight we might have if we dedicated the same amount of research into what made a human Decadent compared to Pure, and modelled an entire generation after that knowledge.

A humanity in perfect sync with each other - complete harmony.

>>137825262
Not trying to tone you down leaf, but you sound like a cult leader.

>>137820302
How does one define decadence though? Do you consider the lack of such as being based in a particular religon or traditionalist family values? Because I don't see how that ends you up at any different place than the right wing elements (any monotheistic religon at least)

Is it fucking too much? Drinking too much? Making too much money? Doing drugs? Expecting too much from government? Hating others too much? All of the above? None?

>>137825164
>The United States must go full Roman Empire.
No man, thats exactly the opposite of what I am saying.

The whole world must go full Roman Empire and then go full ancient Greek.

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>>137820302

Anon, the only battle we have left to fight is against our own pride.

Divide and conquer is the only true enemy. Prosperity does not mean that either side must bend the knee. Instead of living in the same house, we must be friendly neighbors. Instead of being a shut in, we must learn from other groups, and vice versa. We must do this without demands, and we must not make any demands. Greed and pride must be shut out, with only a goal of mutual, however individual, prosperity.

>>137825467
>How does one define decadence though?

As being a disgusting slave to the body. I believe that drugs will and should be studied immensely in the next century. Also it is fine if you use them for personal insight. But those who use them for personal pleasure I see as Decadent (and this even if I was part of that group once).

Mankind needs an outlet for its aggeressive, conquering energy. The problem civilizations before us, as well as our own, have had is that they reached such heights of prosperity that there was no animating force, or drive, to give meaning to the lives of the people. Decadence produces masses of bored people with no purpose other than to indulge in their hedonistic pleasures. This satisfies their drive to achieve in the very short term, in short bursts of hednoism, but it can never satisfy man's desire to transcend and attain something higher than himself.

In order for a civilization to continue to prosper, it needs to keep that animating force alive by striving towards ever higher goals. Our problem today is that the European nations are not striving for goals that the common man finds sufficient to justify his existence, and so the entire civilization is in a manic state as man frantically searches for meaning. The SJW types invent new problems solely to give their lives purpose, and the right-wing's purpose is increasingly in restoring the glory of the past and opposing the Marxist forces. In other words each side is beginning to exist for the purpose of defeating the other, which can only have one outcome: war, and the destruction of the current paradigm.

Expanding into space would be a worthy goal, but material greed keeps us on this planet for as long as those in power value the seizure of land and financial wealth more than spreading our influence among the stars. Couple that with the cirppling nihilism that has afflicted us since the 19th century, and many have such self-loathing that they don't think their culture is worth keeping alive at all, let alone spreading to other worlds.

This prosperity and decay was thought of as cyclical by many cultures, and may indeed just be a natural law. Your guess is as good as mine on how to stop it. All I know is that our civilization needs to once again be united towards a common, existence-justifying goal.

>>137825687
>Greed and pride must be shut out, with only a goal of mutual, however individual, prosperity.

Agreed completely

>Instead of living in the same house, we must be friendly neighbours

I believe we have one great house, the Earth, and one great family inside it, Humanity.

>>137825467
Decadence is when you must fill your life with shallow hedonistic pleasures because there is no greater meaning to strive for.

Maintain some nominal level of Nationalism but trade freely with each other.
Decadence, Low birth rate, GDP Overspending, Loss of Faith and Corruption felled the Roman Empire, the US and EU may repeat it if not carful, so yes a new ideology separate from the failures of Communism can be made

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>>137820302
There exists no right or left only enemies of truth.

You are not right, communist, capitalist or left you are only truth or lies.

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>>137825687
>We must not make demands
Doesn't that sound a little like a -- demand?

>>137827219
What is true is life, what ekse us true us your biology, what is also true is your reproduction that reproduces similarities and not differences.m, everything else doesnt matter and us subjective thus lies.

>>137825524
I'm saying the US is the only country where a world government could actually form. The world empire would start in the US and spread around the globe. This should have happened nominally after the Nazis and Japs were defeated but it wasn't. Too late now, I say.

>>137820302
Every political entity is naturally competitive. Nationalism will always have a place so long as humanity itself remains isolated. Find some aliens and then we can start thinking of competing as a supranational entity.

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>>137820302
Are you a big Star Trek fan?
Because you do know you'd be just as well off getting your world view from Scientology or Charles Manson than to import it from the media you are deliberately barraged with.

>>137827637
The United States is not truth.

>>137827752
There is no truth to a world empire, no difference to a neighborhood state, no reason for existence or reason to exist for the person.

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>>137826375
In addition to this, it's impossible to overstate the amount of damage Marxism and post-modernism have dealt to the spirits of Western peoples. Many believe sincerely in the evil lie that "there's no such thing as white culture", and the acceptance of cultural relativism by the masses paints the very principles that made our civilizations great, long-standing traditions of philosophical, spiritual, and scientific inquiry, in the same light as pic related. The post-modern man believes that his values are no more valuable than those of people who cut holes in their lips and stick wooden plates in there.

If we want to avoid a collapse the Western man needs to reaffirm his own value, and dispel the lies cast upon him by the Marxists, post-modernists, social constructionists, smug atheists, and cultural relatvists. He needs to at first assert that his own existence is justified before he can even hope to turn the ship back around.

>>137826375
>Mankind needs an outlet for its aggeressive, conquering energy.

Does mankind, especially males, have a tendency towards this sort of energy? Absolutely.

There was a quote that said men and pigs are very similar in all external regards, both have eyes, mouth, limbs, intestines, etc. The only real major difference between them is in the mind.

Mankind still has animalic instincts that remained from our time in the jungle, but that does not mean that we cannot refrain from using them when we decide its rational to not do so. You also have the animalic instinct to fuck any unprotected female in sight but most normal humans dont do so.

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>>137820302
>Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix

Fuck off retard

>>137820302
Make a Fourth Position that takes all the ideas that actually work from the Left, Right, and Fascists and make all three obsolete.

>>137827637
>I'm saying the US is the only country where a world government could actually form. The world empire would start in the US and spread around the globe.

Yeah man I see what you mean now, and I agree. I would also add that it would probably first start with the union of all English speaking nations and spread from there.

And I do not believe all hope is lost.

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>>137820302
Leaf, when it comes down to the end and there's a communist insurrection up there, I WILL COME FOR YOU.
Bantz and memes aside, I will stop at nothing to protect /our tribe/.

>>137827977
What truth are yoimu following?
There is nothing else true except that you live and what you reproduce is of the closest genetic offspring to yourself.

>>137820302
Jesus

>>137828039
Do we even live in the same world? Just take a walk in any major city ffs

I'm more interested in right and wrong than right and left.
A degree of nationalism is as morally required as respect for the family is.
After all race and nation are extensions of the family.
I have a responsibility to my nation and to my people, and that is not negotiable.

>>137828496

Day of the rake can't some soon enough. You won't be safe, leaf

>>137828496
I do not see how your opinion will be reality, the falsehoods ofbracemixing must be disproven and the truth of the race must prevail.

>mass wars on earth mankind at war again
>aays feel bad for us being such bastard species
>arrive on earth, colonize us like spanish did to south america
>convert us all to lmao religion
>we're all aay-human hybrids so basically saiyans from DBZ
>dark hole opens and universe ends
>big bang happens again and we find ourselves shitposting on gook cooking website

>>137828336
>There is nothing else true except that you live and what you reproduce is of the closest genetic offspring to yourself.

Good luck doing that in complete chaos where the universe wants nothing more than see you perish.

There is no private prosperity for man. No man is an island. Any individual prosperity comes from the community of man that holds chaos at bay and any non-toddler should be aware of this fact.

>>137828654
Once the truth prevails and is unquestionable as it always us temhen the racial oeganization and the community will be formed in the mean time we attack marxism and destroy the lies of materialism.

>>137827977
I didn't mean a primitive, animalistic urge. I meant a noble, uniquely human drive and ambitiousness. Mankind has a need to reach ever greater heights, and if he doesn't, he ends up miserable, and the force that animates him begins seeking new outlets. Without a noble cause or goal to strive towards, this animating force will devour him and he will become corrupt, as he searches for more and more things to give him satisfaction, which, in the absence of an existence-justifying goal, attach onto superficial vices.

One of the greatest errors of modern civilization is the elevation and worship of the rational mind and intellect, at the cost of the rest of the human condition. We have, as the saying goes, "gained the world but lost our soul". Men need to be balanced intellectually, physically, and spiritually in order to be fully realized, stable individuals. By placing such greater importance on the intellect and such low importance on spirituality, we have produced an unstable society of incredibly unbalanced people.

It's like a putting all the power in a computer into the CPU. The PSU needs to supply power to all the components of a computer to have a fully functioning system; if you just run power to the CPU, the system is unstable and, for instance, doesn't power the GPU, and you can't see anything on the screen. The components of men are much the same. By focusing all of our energy on our intellect, our souls have decayed, as have our bodies. Nihilism and obesity both run rampant, and we are just as unstable as that computer would be.

In other words, it will take a philosophical or spiritual renaissance in order to save us from collapse. Hopefully society will reject Marxism and post-modernism once and for all and such a thing can come to pass. If not, I don't see any other outcome but the great cycles of history that Greece, Rome, and countless others have seen before us.

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>>137828872
We live at the tail's end of Ouroboros.
>such interesting times!

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>>137828496
Leaf you use the prejoritive term 'destined' when it is not destiny but corruption, pervertion and zealotry causing this ongoing crime against humanity. You put that crap on pol and then you are surprised when people call you a douchbag.
Leafs are hard work.

>>137829131
Is that Russel?

>>137820302
>Nationalism too seems disadvantageous when you imagine the doctrine in the long-run.
OPP, you fucked up.
You tipped your hand too far retard... the truth is Nationalism DOES FUCKING WORK. it works SO WELL COMMUNISTS HAD TO DESTROY IT.

The fire rises.

We are at the end of history.

Humanity literally has 30 years left. What you are witnessing is the psychology of monkeys fighting over instinctual drives for reproduction that are so primal they cannot be ignored.

However the world is going to change. What will it mean to be white when we alter our own genome? What will it mean to be human when super intelligences walk the earth.

Just like Hitler fighting for more land for more food, when science would feed them and women would stop having children.

Hitler was fighting a war for a world that no longer existed. That is why it is so fun to pretend to worship him on a site about protecting a world that no longer exists.

>>137828951
The only enemy of the truebrace isbthe lies of Marxism, stupid lies that once teared apart and life is not the struggle for materials then the true organization that was for the amount if time lufe has existed starts again and tgis false 40 year old order crumbles under the inflated lies it is built upon.

>>137820302
You call upon /pol/ to entertain philosophical discussion and yet somehow are so naive as to peddle the idea of a Utopia. Don't call the world's issues childish because you claiming to have such a simple solution such as what you posted later to "remove borders and militaries" is childish in of itself. Utopias are myth, they cannot and will not ever exist so long as humanity does, we have the hunger to preserve our tribe and territory built into our DNA, there is no collectivist perfection

>>137829250
Who?

>>137820302
white nationalists are left wing you retard

ALT-LEFT KILLED JFK!!!!!

>>137829459
Bertram Russel, It sounds a lot like what he said in one of his essays.

>>137828654
>I do not see how your opinion will be reality, the falsehoods ofbracemixing must be disproven and the truth of the race must prevail.

I'll repeat myself.

I would LOVE a unitary race for Humanity. From all the possible choices the white race does seem better than the rest. (though not as much as all you pretend)

So a white humanity would be great. It would also be great if I spent this night with your Scarlett Johansson. You get my point.

Your best hope is nation-wide victories and then self-isolation just to preserve your racial purity. I dont know if this is ideal for the long-run, but that is up to your movement as a jugement.

>>137829339
This order is 40 years old and is not a foundation but a mask to the true structures.

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>>137821091
Fuckin this.

>>137829624
You want lies.

>>137829131
How about the noble ambition to wage war against Decedance?

>>137829587
I've never heard of him, but I'll definitely add him to my list of people to read. Honestly I'm not very well-read in philosophy, these are just thoughts I've had swimming around in my mind for a while.

>>137820302
Ya had up me until the race mixing thing.
We don't need to genocide everyone else, but it IS more than possible to live in a world with clearly defined borders and laws. The issue is that too often do leaders get power hungry and decide that someone else's property should be his own. Greed is the issue in that situation.
If we can find a way to stop that kind of greed, we can indeed live in an idyllic society where each race is separate yet works together.

>>137829830
That in itself is a one-sided, negative ambition. It needs to be coupled with a positive ambition to be truly worthy. Waging war against decadance to replace it with a clearly-defined something else would probably do the trick. Merely working to destroy only makes men consumed by hate and negative emotion. A fully-realized ambition must also contain positive motivations.

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>>137829855
Thevway we can seperate the races is easy, life gas done it for us before we trespassed on the earths borders.

>>137829339
>We are at the end of history. Humanity literally has 30 years left.

Don't lose faith brother, every single ancient text and respectable philosopher says that Man has a part of God in him.

We might still make an unexpected comeback.

>>137830201
I don't think you understand.
In 30 years we may not be human anymore.

>>137829408
>Utopias are myth, they cannot and will not ever exist so long as humanity does

And if they do they should not embrace worthless people like you.

>>137820302
it's really wonderful that your so idealistic, but human beings can only reform so fast.

notice how Britain was able to incrementally democratize, and keep their society relativly stable compared to continental Europe?

See how France, Italy, and Germany all went through dozens of regimes when they started trying to institute the more radical enlightenment ideals?

Notice how America became a republic without a reign of Terror?

Why is that?

It's because the Anglo world reforms SLOWLY. They make changes slow enough to not completely destroy the economy, and ruin the lives of the people who don't want radical change. That's the secret to the Anglo world's success, we make changes slow enough so that the human animal can get used to them.

Since America has become the champion of globalism after world war II, we have abandoned that successful policy. We now are in the midst of radical economic reform, accelerated capitalism that first started in third world colonies, and has finally come home to roost in the USA and EU.

If unregulated economic exploitation was wrong in the colonial empires, it's wrong in the USA. The sooner stop trying to FORCE people to fit into pre-defined roles, and let them make the choice at their own pace, the sooner you'll see an end to all the political polarization bullshit we are distracted by today.

>>137829624
Mixing is not the answer. Valuing one's people enough to assert your way of life in the world is. That can take the form of isolationism or imperialism, but never globalism or multicultarlism. Those are self-destructive, masochistic delusions that must be outright rejected.

>>137830076
Well then, if you have an idea that might work don't be lazy but develop it.

>>137820302

It's not that fucking hard

From the right:

Close borders and limit immigration
Keep a decent military to BTFO out other countries, but stay protectionist
End affirmative action, disparate impact, all that other race crap
Make everyone on welfare work -- either privately or on public projects
Make everyone assimilate to the Constitution and liberty culture
Police crime and be relentless on violent criminals -- lots more death penalty
Make the streets nice for good people
Everything except health care and energy free market

From the left

Global warming is real, you dumb fucks
Educated people are better, duh
Be nice to your fellow citizens no matter the color, racism is dumb
Fund schools EQUALLY so people can have equal opportunity
Universal healthcare so we don't have to worry about that shit
Nationalize energy because why the fuck is it a capitalist thing anyway


Other

Pay reparations so American blacks can get their due from slavery and build their own shit and the guilt question can end

High inheritance taxes on the super rich so that we don't have a shit society with class warfare

This society is secular and we don't give a fuck about fucking Christmas or Ramadan or Yahweh -- keep it in your house

Traditional values for non-traditional families


LOVE YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY AND MAKE IT TRULY GREAT FOR EVERYONE. LAW AND ORDER. COMPASSION. GOOD SENSE ECONOMY. GOOD SENSE LAWS. ACCEPTANCE OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. EDUCATION. FUCK THE ROBOTS.

You're welcome to whatever future president adopts this as a platform

>>137830574
I think a sort of second renaissance of Western peoples rediscovering the value of their native cultures, which identitarian movements seem to be headed towards, will probably do the trick if allowed to fully manifest. This is so long as their primary animating force remains love of one's people and not hatred of one's enemies.

>>137830574
Why do you wish for a eorld order?
Beliefs in material expansion?
Therefore a persons materials is truth and we are born as material obtainment machines?
Why do wevdie with no materials but only the biology carries on?

>>137822808

This.

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>>137828548
It is what we do for our people that makes us righteous.

In order to protect our culture we need only to focus on our improving our own selves to preserve the identity of the west.

>>137822808
>>137830950
Skin color is the most trivial racial difference.

>>137825432

I'm kind of feeling it -- but I'm for closed borders.

>>137830360
> The sooner stop trying to FORCE people to fit into pre-defined roles, and let them make the choice at their own pace, the sooner you'll see an end to all the political polarization bullshit we are distracted by today.

Agreed, slow and natural progress must be the way. But we are aimless and purposeless today, lets not raise another generation that way.

Lets slowly reform. How? Not by focusing on making more resources before we focus on the corrupt and decadent people who will eventually use those resources.

>>137821091
>being deprived of a sense of connection to their culture and ancestors -
Its disconnection from God and spirituality. Being apart of something greater is better than being a complete soulless individual as per the new Liberal doctrine.

>>137830897
Materials are for biological expansion or forbthe well being of YOUR people not materials for the sake ofnit as if it was truth, tell me 1 truth of Marxism.

>>137830350
>Cutting quotes in half to push an agenda
Kill yourself, I'm not an anti-humanist. I see humanity for the irrational species it still is. You want a Utopia? Then you get to work on Eugenic science to engineer the most perfect creatures you can think of. Buts thats the thing isn't it OP? You wish you could mold the world into your image, get off your high horse and think about what the average human wants.

>>137826375

This is very good.

>>137820302
Here is a open-minded counter-proposal for you.

Have you ever considered the fact that Globalism isn't inherently deficient, but the elite which govern Globalism are? And that even if Nationalism was vanquished, the Global elite would still have to be liquidated in order for humanity to progress? And that the rise of nationalism has nothing to do with nationalism, but the mismanagement of elites which created its rise?

>>137831185
Perfect for what purpose and what truth?

>>137828180

That's mine, see below.

>>137831297
There is no humanity and no "progress" there is only the race.

>>137831442
The only truth is the race and its racial survival.

>>137829131

I think you do sound like a cult leader -- but I do like what you said about nurturing the full house. I would have not thought, outright, that rationality and intellect would have been the culprit -- I always see those things as trying to save us from the worst things.

>>137831542
That seems kinda close minded, Why isn't culture more important than race?
Race is just skind deep, Culture is just better to measure if people are better in a country.

>>137831002
>It is what we do for our people that makes us righteous.

First people identified with their family. Then a group of families came together and people identified with the tribe. Then tribes become villages, then bunch of villages a nation.

Drop the scales from your eyes and see that soon bunch of nations will come together and you will call the whole Humanity "our people" and yes, fighting for them will make you righteous.

>>137831585
There is nothing inherently bad about the intellect, quite the contrary. What's bad is elevating it to be supra-important and worshipping it as a false idol in an atheistic world.

What we need is CRISPR genetic engineering
No matter whether we racemix or not, the problematic genes eventually pile up

>>137831307
Into whatever OP likes apparently, he seems to believe people are so simple minded as to be malleable into whatever shape he'd like. Different cultures have differents truths and traditions

>>137831709
No such thing.

>>137831715

Look, I've done mushrooms and I can divine water -- so I know there's something squiggly going on with quarks and shit -- but how can you be so sure about a God that you're willing to go out and tell everyone that it exists in any kind of shape or form or feeling or ethos that we can comprehend?

>>137831847
There is only one truth, the race nothing else exists.

>>137831709
People haven't stopped identifying with family, m8
And I'm rather apathetic to most of humanity because I never interact with them and I never will: a perfectly normal attitude

>>137831542
This is true. Long-term prosperitty and civilizational achievement are predicated on a strong sense of trust amongst countrymen, which can only exist in ethnically homogeneous societies.

Aristotle had a concept known as "philia", which describes the inherent bond that one has to his race as a type of extended family. All races feel this. It is this "philia" that needs to be cultivated and incorporated into the uniting, animating force that propels us towards whatever destiny it is that we find justifying of our existence. One cannot work for the good of other peoples and be fully satisfied; his deeds must be in accordance with the good of himself and his own people as well. His own self-interest must align with the interest of the society at large for true momentum to take hold and true progress to be made.

>>137831700
Because there is only the race: Truth.
Culture is just a byproduct of living.

>>137830419
Unless you can convince everyone to do this, then it will inevitably happen. But once genome editing starts, being "white" will become just another phenotype. "One's people" wont matter anymore. So essentially as long as society is moving forward, nationalism, isolationism, etc., none of that will be relevant.

>>137831935
I suppose a whole packaged nation dropped from the sky and it all started from there.

>>137832182
Wait... I am confused, I don't think you know what a race is...Is this a metaphore?

>>137832023
I never said I believe in a God. I'm merely saying that mankind can't replace his spiritual needs with atheistic rationalism. Both are necessary components of a balanced person. Spirituality doesn't necessarily have to be religious either, philosophy can satisfy that need for many people.

>>137832242
Nation means race, you are referring to a political entity as if it matters other than being a tool of serving the race or sone other purpose.

>>137832043
>And I'm rather apathetic to most of humanity because I never interact with them and I never will: a perfectly normal attitude

A perfectly un-natural attitude and if we had not gone so astray from our initial state you would realise the tragedy in that.

>>137832242
Reason large states werent formed is due to the limitation of communication, travel, and contact thus retaining bond.

>>137832211
In today's culturally relativistic society where all morals are seen as mere matters of opinion, the future you describe is inevitable, and so is the ultimate replacement of humanity with some sort of transhuman movement. However, you seem to neglect the possibility that as people assert their identities, they will find such practices morally objectionable, and reject them outright.

Science and technology have reached the point where our question should no longer be "can we achieve this", but "should we achieve this?" We must enter a new moral age.

>>137820302
>The battle between the right and left has been going on for more than a century now

Abraham Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual Tyrant

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>>137821626

OP doesn't understand race realism and the differences between racial capabilities.

He doesn't understand that whites - if they stuck together - could possibly very well get off this rock and live in space colonies or other planets, and would not need to deal with other racial groups anymore.

In fact I wish we could all just shoot off into space in different directions at this point.

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>>137821091
This.
>>137820302
Fucking leaf.

>>137831120
you have to have a way of living that will lead to the change you want. You have to "be the change you want to see in the world."

Sorry for getting corny on you, but it's true.

To succeed, the alt-righs movement has to become morally impeccable. It's message has to be the medium through which it enacts change. If you want some examples of how the message can be the medium study what Gandhi and other anti-imperialists did in the 40s and 50s. Study what Martin Luther King and related groups did in the South. Study Christian resistance to the Roman Empire in ancient times.

>>137832857
East Asians (particularlty Japanese) could as well, and are arguably closer to that than we are. IQ is the most significant genetic/ethnic trait, so we shouldn't dismiss other noble intelligent races.

>>137832639
This.

I agree man, and I believe the new generations will clean up the mess our fathers made. We will set out to first make a stable foundation here on earth, both in the physical world and in the human mind, and then venture out ahead.

But all this bs with left right must stop. We need one movement for one specie.

>>137833261
>We need one movement for one race.
ftfy

You can't teach the less intelligent races these things, or expect them to grasp the concepts. That is part of the great error of the modern age.

>>137832857
Fucking idiot.

Have you never seen a white man dress and act like a black rapper? Have you not seen any black successful men?

Are the whites currently better? Yes, but get your fucking head out of the sand. Science and the numbers you currently use was created by the muslims and the engineering and medical fields are dominated by the Asians currently.

>>137820302
>inconsistencies and false assumptions

What you've just said and is proposing is based entirely on assumptions.

>>137833407
Decadence is more common with certain races, I agree.

But the fact that there are exceptions in every possible race, and the fact that even the white race has certain decadent rotten apples shows that not race but decadence is what we must focus on.

The white race has the best chance of being purified, now, but as I stated before I dont know how effective that might be long-term.

>>137833734
I stated two examples, and would state several more if you wish.

>>137833714
>Have you never seen a white man dress and act like a black rapper? Have you not seen any black successful men?
The exception is not the rule.

>Science and the numbers you currently use was created by the muslims
While muslims did contribute to those fields, the Greeks were far more important to both, as were later Europeans.

>and the engineering and medical fields are dominated by the Asians currently.
It's almost as if their higher average IQ, which is a racial trait, has something to do with it.

>>137833984
The less intelligent races don't behave that way due to decadence, they behave that way due to genetic factors beyond their, or our, control. There will always be a small minority of exceptions, but it is wasted effort to try and "bring them up to our level". That's what drove the Christianization and imperialism of Africa back in the day, as it was the "white man's burden" to "civilize" them. It isn't possible.

I also don't want to purify anyone or anything, I just want people to reassert their worth and reclaim their destinies.

>>137833261

Go back to watching star trek. Race is real. I'm sorry you won't get to fuck some black chick over the navigation computer on the Enterprise, but you have to choose: no race or space.

Mullatos aren't going to be building spaceships Captain Kirk, otherwise Brazil would be colonizing planets right now.

>>137834453
Isn't that because of culture more than a genetic trait? I mean in America everyone of their races keeps to their own in their own little monoculture?
I mean, if we take a guy from the middle of Rural China we most likely won't get a super genius even if he is asian.

>>137834453
>I also don't want to purify anyone or anything, I just want people to reassert their worth and reclaim their destinies.

Good luck to you man, I sincerely hope you succeed since I view it as a noble goal.

However, I still do believe that you will put your future white offsprings at the risk of being isolated from the world, unless of course they pursue military ambitions and perform several genocides of their own.

World will move on and I have hard time imagining a white nation in 1000 years..

This ideology already exists, and it's called NRx.

>>137834916
That was true during segregation. After integration the negro found they couldn't compete and instead embraced decadence. That's why they're doing worse in every possible metric than during segregation.

>>137834916
IQ is almost entirely independent of cultural factors. If you take a guy from the middle of Rural China he will be much more likely to be a super genius than someone from the middle of the Congo.

>>137834983
Given the way the tide is turning, I find it quite plausible, if not inevitable, and consider outlooks like yours to be overly pessimistic and defeatist.

>>137832604
What initial natural state?
I'm not a John Donne "any human who dies is a pain in my heart" person
You're the one preaching this ultra-romanticism

>>137834718
I have a hard time imagining a black human in 1000 years, so do I in imagining a white human. If things dont change then they will be both very rare fragments of the past that people stare at.

>>137826698
I can understand what you're saying, but here's an example.
I love my brother. He and I used to be real assholes to eachother. We were incredibly violent too. We had to share a room and on numerous occasions, we were literally trying to kill each other for whatever reason. He shot at me, I tried to stab him, it was a really bad situation. However, when he moved out, we had gotten a little distance between the two of us and we sort of realized that all the hostility was we were forced to live in unideal environments that did nothing but inconvenience each other. Now we both have separate houses and spend quite a bit of time together, even though our general activities are drastically different and completely independent. We're happy to help each other when we need it, and we never ask for anything in return. There is no pride, greed, nothing. Only a mutual understanding. We don't carry each other's burdens, but we are happy to give a lending hand.

Sometimes you've gotta understand that with people, you just can't understand.

>>137820302
>nationalism implies isolation
>germany fought alone, it had no allies
>the axis, lolwtf is that

>>137835128
But if it is a Genetic trait as you say... Why has IQ increased as the years go on?
As you are a scholar in genetics you may already know that genetic traits don't fluctuate too much in less than a century... Why do you think that happens?

>>137827394
I guess in some way of interpretation it can sound like that, but it's more of my way of saying that if you want peace, don't expect anyone to give you anything and don't forcibly take anything.

>>137835283
If light skinned mixed people tend to breed with light skinned mixed people over multiple generations, I think they will eventually possess little to no melanin production.

If dark skinned people mate with dark skinned people over multiple generations, they may possess genes that produce lots of melanin.

I don't believe you're going to permanently eradicate fair skin, and I don't believe you're going to have a fixed beige or caramel skin color like people tend to presuppose.

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>>137828333
Checked.
White is white. I won't let (((them))) divide us.

>>137835250
>Given the way the tide is turning, I find it quite plausible, if not inevitable, and consider outlooks like yours to be overly pessimistic and defeatist.

Sorry you see it that way.

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>>137822879
Why do you assume we have to stay stuck in this horrific situation? What makes you think it's too late? People are waking up, if we can stand together against the Jews, shitskins, and liberals we can forge the ethnostates we need to preserve our race. Let's rise or fall with glory instead of going quietly into the night.

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>>137820302
> Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix
Yes the intention is for everyone to mix.
It will not be an improvement.
We won't be going.....ANYWHERE after that.
You stupid jackass.
You just don't understand anything do you?

>>137835644
Nobody knows why the Flynn effect occurs. But it didn't occur everywhere, and not during the whole period Richard Lynn examined.
If you're genuinely interested you should read the bell curve. It does a phenomenal job spelling out the difficulty of measuring heritability.

>>137835621
The allies were also co-operating with USSR until their common enemy dissapeared.

From my study of the subject it seems to me that the great egos of Mussolini and Hitler would have clashed (especially since they had common borders) if they did not have common interests and enemies.

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>>137820302
>self isolated from the rest of humanity
>not associating with niggers is somehow a bad thing
>not allowing said niggers to run rampage through your cities
>not allowing niggers to destroy your cultural artifacts and weaken your people's sense of identity

>>137820302
>wants a brand new ideology
>can't last a sentence without borrowing from progressivism
>deeply moralistic

That's a leaf for you.

>>137835938
>Why do you assume we have to stay stuck in this horrific situation? What makes you think it's too late? People are waking up, if we can stand together against the Jews, shitskins, and liberals we can forge the ethnostates we need to preserve our race. Let's rise or fall with glory instead of going quietly into the night.

Because I see only short term victory (and it won't be no piece of cake either)

In the long term we will only restart a shitty chain of events that will bring us to the same place we are now. Nationalism is nothing new, goes back at least 5000 years.

Even if you succeed there is no guarantee that your grandchildren wont become decadent and "break the chains of your oppression" and welcome back all those races that you fought against. Historically thats what always happens.

Mixing means that the mean I.Q. goes down without an active and aggressive eugenics program.
What you're discussing would be more ambitious than anything even the Nazis considered.
I don't see why each nation must mix.
Let the black nation remain the black nation.
Why must they mix?
Let the Asiatic nation remain the Asiatic nation.
Why must they mix?
Let the white nation remain the white nation.
Why must they mix?
Why?

>>137820302
>Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix and be united in humanity, nationalism can only prolong the arrival of that day. However, any rational man will come to the conclusion that it is an unavoidable fate.
Need proof.
>Decadence is the real enemy
Maybe.
The real issue is whether homo sapiens encompasses all current races. If true, the next step of humanity isn't likely the mixing of races. It's the acknowledgement by all races that all humans are equal and deserving of the same rights. If all races are equal, then all rights should be the same. There is no need to race mix if all humans are equal. There is also no need to preserve races. But, it doesn't mean that racemixing leads to equality if all races are equal. Even after racemixing, the scientists say that those farther from the equator will become lighter skinned and those closer darker. What then? Forced mixing again? What if the darker skinned are more successful? Will they be willing to go along with forced mixing? Either all races currently living are capable of living together or not. Or, the races are different species and mixing is for the purpose of creating a new species. Which is it?

>>137836455

The previous nationalistic movement was made by men who fought in the first world war, who faced starvation, cold and the death trenches. They hardly succeeded against multiculturalism, communism, etc.

You were part of a generation of men raised as women and probably live with your mom.

Spare me your online arrogance.

>>137837273
>Need proof.

Sorry no proof. My reasoning comes from looking at major cities like Toronto. It seems reasonable to think that soon all of the free world will look like that.

>What then?

I think we need a system for that.

>>137837914
>Sorry no proof. My reasoning comes from looking at major cities like Toronto. It seems reasonable to think that soon all of the free world will look like that
Like what? Give me some facts and figures.
>I think we need a system for that.
To avoid new races forming after racemixing to avoid future racial divisions? What system would that be?

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>>137837574

>>137827219
Truth is what we call it when our expectations of a phenomenon and our measurements of a phenomenon appear to strongly correlate.

You see what you want to see.

>>137838538
>Like what? Give me some facts and figures.

Are you blind or do you need statistics to be able to see? There is no white majority in large cities, the races are intertwined and you dont need to be a prophet to know that they'll soon have kids.

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>>137826698
but how about the cultural difference may I ask ?

I'll simplify to my level of understanding but what about for example the language. At a certain point in time, arabic, european and asian languages are far appart eachother in term of culture.

shall we scrap everyone of them and speak all the same so we can identify ourselves as ''citizen of the Earth'' ? I personally think each cultures have strenght and flaws and that is what differentiate people and culture and thus not be a melting pot to the point nobody has a distinguishable culture.

Decadence is the foundation of progress.

Nobody needs modern conveniences but we have them anyway. Humanity doesn't need to go to space when we have another billion plus years on this planet if we manage our resources correctly.

The only solution we have is to produce so God damn much that everybody can be rich. The problem is that wealth does not equate to happiness. A pauper today has technology and conveniences unimaginable to those just 50 years ago, yet he is just as miserable.

The left-right Paradigm is simple. It is the degree by which you think you are allowed to own other people. Either by virtue of tax revenue or chattel slavery, one US political party always thought it was legal to subjugate another human being against their will. No matter how rich and productive we become, the left still thinks they deserve something progress doesn't buy, the left believes they deserve other people's time on this planet and not just their own.

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>>137820302
>. Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix and be united in humanity, nationalism can only prolong the arrival of that day.
fuck off fagot
stupid shitty leaf, you thought space was going to be all fluffy and unicorns? its going to be militarized and with sapce empires, shits gonna be dope. or did you think china was going to play along with that space treaty fagotry? fuck you

>>137839052
>Are you blind or do you need statistics to be able to see? There is no white majority in large cities, the races are intertwined and you dont need to be a prophet to know that they'll soon have kids.
What is your point? You are using one city; a large, world city with economic power and powerful movers and shakers to make that point too.
Answer me these questions three:
>Do you believe the scientists that say there is only skin deep differences between the races? That nose shape, hair type, eye shape, etc. are merely the differences of environment. Yes or no?
>If, these are only skin deep differences, does racemixing matter? Yes or no? Why?
>If environment shapes races, then when new races emerge after racemixing, will racemixing need to be done again? Yes or no?

>>137839979
thats without mentioning the fact that race realism and eugenics are going to become real and this shit dream of having everyone unite under one flag will finally fucking die
> implying ill ever surrender to the command of kikes and anglos in some shitty union even in space

>>137837574
fuck off fagot

>>137839637
>but how about the cultural difference may I ask ?

By culture I will assume you mean concepts such as art, music, sport. I believe that these can be united by taking the best parts of all existing ones. This happened even to the most ancient of civilisations, the Sumerians, who were the united form of several tribes with different cultures. So this would be nothing new, it would be a natural process.

A related idea would be that of tradition, which I consider more important than culture. I would loosely define it as the social framework within which every individual operates. For instance marriage, upbringing, values.

Tradition too must be brought together from all its existing forms that we can observe, but in contrast to culture it must be a conscious process, not a natural one. We must first study all forms of tradition and see which ones tend towards Decadence and which do not.

>>137840320
Offended?

>>137829855
try maintaining that for centuries? Millennia?Eternity?!!

>>137830720
Very agreeable as it is but that roughly a first draft. Americas are not colonies anymore and there is a lot of people with different thinkings. People will put their ideals forwards thus altering this ''utopia''. If we care for the freedom of speech of every individuals, dumber people can have their voice heard and that's where it becomes slippery.

As in you want to keep it a democracy

>>137841563
Exactly my point.

>>137841563
If you want to keep your borders, yes. Or it'll just lead to secession. Boundless precedence.

>>137820302

>The choices this generation makes will echo in eternity.

I think that choice has already been made, but it is technological in origin, not ideological - which, honestly, is true of all political sea-changes.

the things that will shape our world in the next 100 years will make humanity unrecognizable to itself.

We should fear the coming of the mind-machine interface, more-so than anything else that is currently blossoming.

>>137840869

You talk of decadence as if a study of it would be impartial

Ethnicity, traditions, political beliefs and moral values (to name a few) would make this research biased.

Am I wrong ?

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>>137841900
>If you want to keep your borders, yes. Or it'll just lead to secession. Boundless precedence.

A couple generations in your offsprings will again revert back to everything you hate, the girls will talk about culture diversity and the feminine cucks will go along with it.

Look and you will notice this pattern in history.

I don't like it myself, but in a couple hundred years we'll have one race and the ideas you are trying so hard to implement will be inherent.

>>137842566
No precedence.

>>137820302
>Sooner or later we all seem destined to mix and be united in humanity, nationalism can only prolong the arrival of that day.

worst idea
>be globalist and outsource our jobs to other countries and lower our standards to match third world standards

best idea
>be nationalist and lead and help other nations rise out of poverty

the choice is clear
>better life for everyone who wants it, leading to discoveries and inventions by great minds who are encouraged to be better than others if they have the capacity
or
>forced "equality" in globalist/socialist/communist society where everyone lives mundane lives with no incentive to invent and improve life because no one can be better or different than anyone else

>>137842566
>A couple generations in your offsprings will again revert back to everything you hate, the girls will talk about culture diversity and the feminine cucks will go along with it.
That's what's going on now, do you not watch MSM or have social media?
>so in a couple of generations your offsprings will again revert back to everything you hate, the girls will talk about connecting with their own culture and the feminine cucks will be men again and protect society from the faggotry of today.
fify

>>137843490
Are we speaking different languages?

If I knew that the world would end in 100 years I would support your nationalist movement.

But looking forward into the future can you really imagine a white-only society? Ffs it will become really silly really fucking fast. You will become the amish of the modern Humanity, living your recluse existance.

That of course, as I said before, your own Volk do not overthrow your ideas as so many nationalists did before.

>>137843918
>so in a couple of generations your offsprings will again revert back to everything you hate, the girls will talk about connecting with their own culture and the feminine cucks will be men again and protect society from the faggotry of today.

And for how long are we going to go on with this cycle? Its ancient and goes all the way to the whore of Babylon and the cucks around her

>>137844128
You can look back 10 000 and... yep, still peoples.

>>137820302
>My brief take on it is that Decadence is the real enemy

Just curious, why do you single out Decadence as the real threat? Most people aren't even aware of the concept of Decadence, fewer still recognize it as a fundamental problem which collapses empires.

Importantly, the US is an extremely decadent state, with bloated military and welfare expenditures, like Rome or the Ottoman Empire. So it's only a matter of time before the US falls to Decadence, assuming that the US doesn't commit Sudoku in a Civil War.

>>137845149
>Just curious, why do you single out Decadence as the real threat?

I mean what else is there? If you round up under the name of Decadence both the lavish hedonistic lifestyle of the privileged and also the despicable criminal existence of certain "minorities", then a large chunk of mankind's problems are there for you to study and resolve.

The problem with assigning certain races or groups as the problem is that you study them rather than the underlying issue which is Decadence. Then your nation crumbles from within even after you exterminate the external threat since Decadence gnaws at the pillars of your society , as many great empires experienced before crumbling.

>>137841563
Well my point was that ideally it could be done. Ideally, not realistically.

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>>137845919
You do realize the Democratic base will literally move heaven and earth to prevent anyone from reforming our decadent society? Look at Illinois or California as Democrat-run states crippled by decadent policies like pensions or runaway healthcare costs. It's kind of disingenuous to support the Left when the Left is responsible for most of the decadence in this nation. The only thing the Right is guilty of is overly generous tax cuts and the military industrial complex, which is dwarfed by the Socialist impulses of the Left.

>>137846459
>Well my point was that ideally it could be done. Ideally, not realistically.

Ideally the previous generations would not have fucked up so badly and we wouldn't be in this situation.

So any thoughts "realistically"?

>>137846676
>You do realize the Democratic base will literally move heaven and earth to prevent anyone from reforming our decadent society?

I agree man, it definitely is not an easy task but it might be a necessary one. My belief is that a non-decandent society would be better for every one inside it, I believe this to be the truth. I also believe that the human spirit is more eagerly drawn to the truth rather than lies, if given the opportunity to be exposed to both.

Some societies came quite close to this ideal. Ancient Greeks always talked about virtue and its benefits for society. Ancient Egyptians also owe their prosperity of more than several thousand years to similar principles.

I do believe that the modern world will embrace similar ideals eventually, hopefully also studying it scientifically so that we do not lose the knowledge again.

But of course, I cannot guarantee we will witness this during our lifetimes.

>>137846682
Realistically we're fucked from every angle lads and there's no way for it to get better without completely destroying groups of people (I mean groups that share ideologies, not racial groups) and collapsing nations.