Why do you care so much about a statue? Since you do care so

>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?
Because this is just the beginning, they are not planning to stop at civil war statues.

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Worth more than your life.

>>137790025
Ignore the confederate and Nazi larpers The events of the last few days should be a wakeup call to them that you're not welcome. You're counter-productive to our Trump movement. You cause nothing but problems

>>137790202
I'm legitimately curious. Personally I think that the Antifa's protests of the statues is just as silly, but if our elected government officials decide that our tax money shouldn't be spent on the upkeep of these statues, then shouldn't the people who care so much about them just take it on themselves to create new statues that they maintain themselves?

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>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?
The estatics

>>137790025
Better men than you fought in that war.

Better man than you.

>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?
I dont
I care about fighting the left

>>137791185
I don't doubt that or deny it but I also don't see how it's relevant

>>137790025
because it brings in tourist revenue.

>>137791444
So would a whorehouse. I think I know what we should replace it with.

>>137790025
Or just say enough is enough and start killing public officials.
We must restore the peace.
Remember the people hold the power.

>>137790025
These are the Semiotic Wars. If the Civil War was over slavery, these wars are over the cover art to "Uncle Tom's Cabin".

>>137790025
because once history is destroyed it is lost forever. we dont know what happened to all of the great civilizations of the world because whoever did it, definitely removed all evidence of how it happened. We get wiped out all the time. there is something very wrong with our history on this planet.

>>137791444
So does legalizing drugs

>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?

lel, why do you?

>>137790025
why do the others care so much to remove them?

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>>137790025
Or just say enough is enough and start killing public officials.
Remember the people hold the power.

>>137791994
Well I'm curious about that as well.

Every one of those statues should be replaced with 10 ft tall General Sherman.

Just for fun.

>>137790814
Do the Left honestly know how old these statues are, hundreds of years. It in that right is history.

But it is also what it represents, it is American history and very much so American heritage. This isn't some foreign war where we went over seas to kill a bunch of gooks. These were Americans that fought against Americans. If it weren't why then do we call it the CIVIL WAR?

Families were even torn from each other to fight on opposite sides and killed each other on the battlefield. Can The Left say that about WWII that is larped so heavy? How about Korea? How about Vietnam? How about the Gulf War? How about Iraq? How about Afghanistan, Pakistan, or any other war there after? NO!

Why do we care? Why are we passionate? The Left are discrediting a very bloody war, changing history and destroying it with violence. This is America, if THE LEFT don't like it so much THE LEFT can get the hell out. Our history will not be erased.

>>137790025
It's the action that infuriates us. The idea that something is so offending that it belongs covered up in a museum just goes to show how politically correct and easily hurt our society has become.

>>137791380
honor/pride some other pleb horseshit

>>137791994
Because niggers blame it on their shitty lives. All non blacks wanting them down are just virtue signaling.

Instead of destroying things just make something cool as a counterpoint and put it next to the other thing, then people can see both sides and you get two neat statues out of it.

Seems kinda obvious.

>>137791763
>>137792358
So let's imagine a BIG hypothetical for a minute here.

Lets imagine that in 50 years there is a huge holy war and that somehow muslims win and the US becomes an Islamic state where Christians are hunted down and killed. The Muslim leaders put up statues everywhere of Islamic prophets and terrorists.

Finally after another long, bloody war, the Christians manage to take back control of the U.S.!

You're telling me you'd be first in line to defend the statues of Islamic prophets and terrorists from demolition because they are important historic artifacts?

>>137790025
Because it represents a part of history. Removing it is like trying to alter the past because it offends you. It's like Fahrenheit 451 is starting, they burned books for peace of mind, so the books couldn't offend anyone. They want to try to erase a part of history because it offends them. WHAT THE FUCK.

>>137793801
>>137793457

>>137793457
they would build mosques and no I would not tear them down. Or if they were to be tore down for whatever reason I would want them well documented. so in 200 years my ancestors wouldnt fall for that again. You can avoid these things if you know the past and it hasnt been tainted by feelings.

>>137794231
Fair enough.

>>137793970
Statues honoring the worst war in America's history and the suffering of the entire nation, an ever present reminder of the mistakes of the past is not the same as statues put up by conquering invaders. Did anyone protest eastern Europe tearing down Lenin and Stalin statues?

>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?
Historical preservation.

>>137794865
But the historical impact is the same.

>>137790025
>honoring a man responsible for more American deaths than ISIS

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>>137790025
Don't you understand that if you take a piece of history like a Confederate memorial and tear it down, tomorrow you can tear down a Union memorial? And tomorrow you may tear down World War and Revolutionary monuments. And soon you may demolish historic buildings and museums. And then you may turn Northerner against Southerner. And Southerner against Southerner, and try to foist your own twisted morality upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other. Because fanaticism and ignorance are forever busy, and need feeding.

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Because it creates understanding of how Americans view of the world has changed over the last 200 years. It reminds people that men used to had a much different relationship with the State and with each other than they do now, and that the current modality is not permanent and eternal. They remind us that we're only part of a continuum.

And these fucking communists want to remove that understanding and replace it with an all powerful, eternal State.

>>137790025
Okay, let me turn it around.

Why do they care so much about statues, that they are tearing them down?

>>137790278
This, I'm not even a Nazi but I see what's going on.

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>>137790025

>>137790025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHB435qJM-M

I just care.

Put them in a museum or Confederate cemetery.

>>137798753
Why don't a bunch of New England/California transplants go back where they came from and retards stop busing themselves in to other people's homes, tearing shit up and telling them how to live, and leaving them to pick up the pieces and pay for he damages? Fucking dickless commies run their own states into the ground and flee like roaches to other states and push their state-destroying bullshit on everyone else. Fucking drown in your own shit already.

>>137790025
Why was it so important to the antifa? The statue would have been removed even if they stayed home. They showed up, wearing masks, looking to start some trouble.

>>137791763
This anon is right, we need to erect statues of King George the third NOW!!

Lads, read about Cecil Rhodes and #rhodesmustfall


We have statues of him at our University in Oxford, but Niggers who got in tried to tear it down because of Muh slavery.

Guess what happened next?

We called the Niggers out for the ISIS tier cunts they are trying to destroy history.

So, how the fuck have you lads come off so badly in doing the same?

You need to STOP it, stop them from doing it, whatever the cost.


>https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/09/take-it-down-rhodes-must-fall-campaign-marches-through-oxford

You dont let them win, you dont. some things are worth fighting for.

>>137800754
I don't think you grasp this whole history thing. And no one would give a fuck if you put up some statues of King George.

>>137792358
The statues were built in the 20th century, the one in charlesville in the 1920s during a wave a racist sentiment.
These men were Americans, Americans guilty of treason. You wouldn't respond kindly to seeing a statue of Benedict Arnold on public property at the behest of bitter English-americans.

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I wonder too why the right cares about democrats in statue form.

>>137800977
I don't think you grasp this whole "let's not celebrate perpetrators of treason" thing.

I am so sick of CNN, watching it with their screeching is just.... well they are fake news, they couldn't report the truth if their life depended on it.

Why are you tolerating CNN, they are talking you down ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Its the same in the UK a bit with BREXIT, some news channels cannot report anything good about it, becuase they are part of the narrative, its impossible for them to be objective.

CNN is the worst news channel in the world, seriously you need to begin to work out how to shut them down, suggestions?

>>137790025

They will get you with some dumb shit like "Zoning Laws" and the judges would go along with it.

I say something obvious and this thread goes silent. Why are typical alt-right poltards so fucking myopic

>>137801114
There was no law against states leaving the UNION. Holy fuck, will Americans please read the Constitution and understand what it means in conjunction with the 10 Amendment? And then read about the type of political and economic underhanded shit being pulled on the south and common man in the north?

>>137804324
>defending the confederacy
Traitor detected

>>137790025
if you are offended by an inanimate object, you are an emotional toddler and should be treated as such in all aspects of life

>>137804682
>Supporting usurpation of the Constitution by good goy railroad lawyer Lincoln and his banker buddies.
Keep licking that Fed dick like a good boy. That war ended many of the rights the people had to legally resist federal authorities overstepping their bounds, the same government that allows you to be replaced in your own country. But at least you can circle jerk with your girlfriend and her bull about how tolerant you are.

>>137806042
>Implying

So somehow at the end of this I'm supposed to think we should keep up our statues of general lee and Co, that they were the good guys, that they deserve to be celebrated? And even further, this should be accepted in the American mainstream? Gonna need you to take off your /pol/ goggles and get real bucko, is a federalist boot-lickin world out there and Dale Gribbles can only ever exist as a vocal minority.

>>137806042
>>137806042
>everything on /pol/ revolves around black dick

Hmm, really makes you think.

>>137806737
>Lol I don't know what you're talking about because I never bothered to educate myself about this subject beyond empty cliches, but fuck these white people!
>But totalitarianism is okay as long as it's my side doing it.
Yeah, no surprise you people have no legitimate arguments to justify this.

>>137801305
But it's not about veneration. It's about not laser removing the scar created by one of the deepest cuts in US History which could very well lead us on a slippery slope to the removal of other monuments deemed "offensive."

I just don't want to see the statues destroyed, I'd be happy if they made it to a museum, but I understand how cities have been built around these monuments to create aesthetic urban layouts such a Richmond's Monument Ave. I also understand there would be a hit to historical tourism with their removal. You don't have to be a Nazi to appreciate the history of the civil war and want to visit all the monuments associated with it.

>>137807226
>He sees black dick where it was never mentioned.
Yep, you commies are bunch of weak fucks for your black overlords, I guess. Maybe they'll finally give you that pat on your head you yearn for if you tear down enough statues for them and give them more money. Such good mules

>>137790025
>Why do you care so much about a statue?

Because they serve as a reminder to Dixie that they should never give up their identity

The Union was shit back then, and it's shit today

>>137790025
These fuckers dont are about the state,they just want to start the race war

>>137807488
literally what the fuck are you talking about
>>137807750
Compelling argument, anon. If it is the will of the people to remove such monuments however I will defend them. Statues glorifying figures like General Lee send the wrong message, wouldn't you agree?

>>137808138
If it's shit why don't you jokers try a seceding again?

>>137801114
Also, there are monuments in New England dedicated to the British in the Revolutionary War. Go tear those down, you petulant children.

>>137790025

Why do you morons always do the same thing? You censor something, you fire someone, you cross a boundary, and when people get angry you go "why so angry maaan, why do you caaaare?"

Well why do YOU care? You were the first that stuck their nose in other people's business. You were the first to take action, YOU justify it.

>>137790686
hi antifa

>>137808793
Heck, if people wanted to do that I would have no problem with it.
>>137808801
Raising a statue to begin with is a deliberate action.

>>137809003

Then get a fucking time machine and ask the people who built it, right now it was there and not harming anybody until you bunch of religious zealots decided that it was heresy. You are the aggressor in this case, and I'm not even American, but seeing you smaemy faggots do your usual bit is disgusting.

It's like crusaders decided to use sophistry instead of swords.

>>137809003
God, you such a weak stomach pussy. Not even British and don't really like the British, but even I would preserve those statues out of respect for the dead and because it exposed people to a part of our history.

Please drown yourself.>>137809003

>>137809522
That doesn't make sense. What if someone had built a statue of hitler in Russia during ww2, are you saying the Russians shouldn't take it down after they've driven out the nazis?

>>137790025
It's not the point. The point is to not just let them win to make them feel better. The point is to show them the truth. That they are tearing down statues of great Americans, they show history. The show the losing side, something only the ((winning)) side wants to teach you about.

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tearing down a statue or some other historical signifigant thing should make anyone angry. the fact that libshits do this proves they dont deserve life, they are psycopaths, and we must erase the problem

>>137790025
Are you over a year late to the game? Don't you remember what happened when they went after the flags?

>>137809522
Many of these statues were built long after the fact, a proxy of sorts for racist ideals. Any coincidence the statue in Charlottesville was built the same years as the Lincoln Memorial, a symbol of civil rights?
>>137809681
So I've a weak stomach for generally not giving a shit about worshipping idols?
There are many monuments to AMERICANS I could see removed without batting an eye. For example I really couldn't care less about Mt. Rushmore. Lazily constructed propaganda in the (native American) black Hills of one of America's most forgettable states. They don't even bother cleaning up the debris. What happened to not worshipping false idols, anyways.

Slavery has been used by every major civilization on the planet, including major religious figures like Mohammed. This is an effort to wipe out white history so they can replace us and they will not stop with Confederate monuments.

>>137790025
It's the inconsistency for me. Why don't they tear down the statue of Thomas Jefferson too? After all not only did he have slaves, he raped them too (Sally Hemings).

Meanwhile Robert E Lee never owned slaves.

>>137810348
It won't be long, you've got groups in Chicago and New York now who are calling for monuments of Jefferson and Washington to be torn down

>>137808633
I'm saying you're a willfully ignorant retard who will keep bleating the 'muh traitors' line, when in reality, the federal government betrayed the Constitution and the people in their actions at the time. But you commie pieces of shit do not care as long as you can push your culture destroying bullshit.

For what it's worth, commentors in this thread have challenged some of my ideas today. I must be going now though, I'm leaving my WiFi and I'm range banned so you won't be hearing any more from mere.
Take care folks

>>137809891
The fact of the matter is, comparing Robert E. Lee to Adolf Hitler is an entirely different spectrum. You've to be absolutely stupid to compare the two scenarios.

>>137810348

They're already talking about removing Jefferson and Washington statues. They want to completely destroy our history and replace it with their own leftist garbage.

>>137809891

See how you know you are a SJW faggot? Because your only weapon is sophistry.

This statue was not built by a conqueror in a strange land, this was built by the citizens to commemorate their history and their dead. So your comparison does not stand.

Second. It's not my place to tell Russians what they should and should not do. There is nothing that SHOULD be done. But if the statue had been there for centuries I would guess they are not that triggered by it.

Stupid lawyering may convince your fellow amerilards, but it sounds retarded to anyone looking to you from the outside. Christ what a fucking honorless society, always trying to get their way on faulty logic and technicalities.

>>137810336
If a race's history can be wiped out by removing some hollow bronze structures then that race deserves to die out.

>>137790025
Racism is a thing of the past, we need to be reminded everyday so that we don't repeat history.

>>137810677

The statues are part of what they want to erase.

>>137790025
Why do people care so much about the pyramids of Egypt that were allegedly literally built with slavery?

>>137810586
But you have to acknowledge that to some people lee is as good as hitler, just like to pol, all blacks are niggers and deserves to be exterminated. I think in the end whoever holds the majority opinion wins.

>>137810648
The thing is the citizens of the land is changing, the current citizens want these statues removed.

>>137808633
Perhaps to nulify some of the glorification plans like the Governor of Virginia had could be implemented to contextualize the pieces.

"'A great nation does not hide its history.' This statue was erected in _____ by _____ to honor Robert E Lee. It remains standing today not to glorify treasonous act and defense of slavery by the man but as a historical reminder of Confederate ideologies of the time period and how how Mich progress has been made since then and much more is still needed."

Probably looking for something more eloquent, but I hope I got the point across.

Ideally I'd have people vote on whether or not to remove the statues, but that seems unlikely to occur.

>>137795317
>>137795317
its the same because thats how people are told to feel. The problem is that theres an underlying ideology behind these attacks, they are not just removing some statue they are removing a part of white culture and identity, and since that identity is racist for them its valid to do so. But the attacks on "whiteness" wont stop them these people want to reshape their world into their socialistic world view and wont stop at that. Like Donald said you could make the same arguments about George Washington and Jefferson or any historical figure if you judge them by the current world values, you can even tear down the white house as it was build by slaves.

The attack will go on and will reach asinine proportions, you can say that if a person did not actively supporrted black that they dont deserve their place in history or that if they are succesful it was only beacuse they exploited people etc.

>>137793457
But what the destruction of those ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan by the Taliban? Or the destruction of ancient artifacts in Iraq and Syria by ISIS? Isn't this the same rationale? You win and it's okay to destroy everything that came before because it represents a defeated ideology? Is there something to be said for protecting the common cultural heritage of mankind?

>>137790025
>>137810899
Why don't we just knock down the pyramids? Just destroy everything we don't like that has controversial history behind it. Knock it all down. weeeeeeee *sigh*

>>137810856
I don't know, it just seems to me like if people really want to remember a part of history, unless you exterminate every single one of them, their history will be passed on thru many mediums. If removing representations of the history will destroy it forever then I suppose no one really put in the effort to remember it in the first place

>>137811194

Show me the poll. If somebody asked the citizens of the city or the state and they decided to remove it then I'm good with it.

>>137795741
They don't. These statutes are like 100 years old and 20 years ago, literally nobody cared about them. It's herd animals being whipped into a frenzy.

>>137810193
>Worshipping idols
>Missing the point that they're being torn down by people who hate American culture and use blatant lies to justify it, and if you give them an inch they will take a mile.

Isn't it silly that pieces of paper people "worship" keep me from murdering you and taking all of your shit? Lol let's get rid of those, so stupid it's just paper and ink.

Thanks for confirming again that you're retarded.

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>>137790025
Guys, its time to simply shoot workers or alt-left protesters when they want to remove statues. You americans have guns, use them. A few shots, then run /drive away.

>>137790025
Because the marxist agenda is to destroy the history of the host nation. Forget the good times and the bad times. It's all about heritage, southerners had ancestors who fought in the war for the CSA so it's obvious that they'd want to honor them and remember them. The moment you tear down statues like that is when history starts to be forgotten

Because they'll destroy that too. -dont be fucking stupid.

>>137811558

The history won't get passed on because it will be censored and revised in those mediums. If a country's history is going to get hidden from the public, they won't stop with statues.

>>137790025
Because I don't actively support the statue. I don't believe in the cause it represents. However, I support its right to exist. I accept that others believe in what it stands for. I am OK with them existing. That is the difference between a radical centrist such as myself and you uncouth alt left ruffians.

>>137811573
I think what's striking is not a lot of people stood up against the removal of the statues, most people are pretty meh about it already.

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>>137790025
I die inside a little every time they tear one of these statues down. Our Civil war, such a bloody and awful war. Over 650,000 killed. 650,000 families who lost a father, or a brother, or a son.
The south, crushed and humiliated in the aftermath of the war through reconstruction, nonetheless the children of those slain in the war sought to honor their fallen, to pay tribute to the men who laid down their lives in the hope that THEY would have a nation of their own.
So they built these statues, in memoriam to the sacrifice of their fallen, and to send a message to the Feds.
And for what?
So a bunch of decadent rats, mindless golem of the powers that be could tear them down?
They have forgotten the pain and suffering that the Brother war caused. Our Country is ripe for collapse

>>137790025
Say the same thing about the statue of liberty. Just a statue after all.

>>137811249
Edit: It was Richmond Mayor who called for contextualization, but he is now calling for their removal.

Oh well.*shrugs*

>>137790025
Our ancestors did buy property and publicly dedicate these statues though. They loved America too and only 4% of the south owned slaves at the time of the Civil War. They erected these statues to commemorate their brothers that fell in a War that claimed the most american lives per capita.

Fine. If we're tearing down triggering statues, let's start with Martin Luther King Jr. He was a plagiarist. The epitome of anti meritocracy.

>>137811794
Censor and revision can only get you so far thou, I mean with all the censorship going on in Germany there are still nazis there. Ideas are bulletproof

>>137793457
>Lets imagine that in 50 years there is a huge holy war and that somehow muslims win and the US becomes an Islamic state where Christians are hunted down and killed. The Muslim leaders put up statues everywhere of Islamic prophets and terrorists.

I understand your point but that's like the worst example possible given that Muslims don't like idol worship.

>>137790025
Because they worship traitors.

>>137811962

what a faggoty picture to accompany your waxing poetic bullshit

>>137811890

See? You don't even have the balls to tell me "there was no poll, I was bulshitting you". You decided unilaterally what the "citizens want" and want to pass that as truth, you fucking snake.
It's literally dick-swinging from the left, a "take that" because they lost to Trump and have decided to rally the troops and crusade. Save the fucking plausible deniability for politics because here is useless. Nobody care about that statue until the left decided that their ideological enemies needed some fucking over.
At least recognize it, say "it's a show of force against our political enemies", don't go around defending it with false equivalences and lies. Makes me want to throw up.

>>137791841
>>137791994
These

>>137811872
>However, I support its right to exist.
It's on public land and maintained with public money. It isn't a person and therefore has no right to exist; instead, it exists at the pleasure of the people. If the community seeks its removal nobody has any right to stand in the way of that. These statue removals are a matter of state, city, and county rights.

>>137812183

It's pushed underground. Giving a Nazi salute can land you jail time in Germany. This isn't about just removing statues: it's about controlling what people think. These leftists are creating their own religion where white people have original sin (slavery) and they use it to shame and control.

>>137790025
>confederates were democrats
>we can't tear down this robert e lee statue

pic one alt-right

>>137812605

Did the community vote, then?

>>137811962
>nonetheless the children of those slain in the war
A significant portion of these statues went up in the 1950s and 60s.

>>137812995

When did the Robert E. Lee Statue go up?

>>137812777
Yes, in April

>>137813115
30 years after the death of Lee's last surviving child.

>>137790025
It's not about the statues, its about the fact that no one asked the people if they should be taken down.
They were just told they should be removed and that they were monsters for having their culture.

Its the same with gay marriage, no-one got asked and when they were they voted against it(only one country has ever voted for gay marriage Ireland and that was in part because they were sick of getting it over and over again knowing that if they didn't give up they'd be lumped with it forever, Australia is just now getting to that stage) it was imposed from above by people who don't live there and don't care about them or their culture.

This shit show is all about culture and outside cultures imposing their will on people without their consent.
Once the statues are torn down will they stick around and live there? No, they'll all be back on a bus to their own soulless shitty coastal cities content that they hurt someone far away from them who wasn't doing anyone any harm and they'll consider it a victory.

>>137812605
Literally just put it in a Mueseum as a compromise

tearing it down is declaration of war

>>137813605
>as a compromise
The city voted to sell it and the city has a right to do with its goods as it will.

>>137790025
What you mean like a government you fucking imbecile

>>137813605
>Literally just put it in a Mueseum as a compromise
And how many years before "THAT RACIST STATUE SHOULDN'T BE IN OUR MUSEUM! IT'S A MONUMENT TO SLAVERY! MELT IT DOWN!!!!!!" happens? Followed of course by a thousand articles about "micro-aggressive statue campaigns" and tut-tutting about how the "racists" had to tear the statues down in 2017 because they were so harmful to the public that they couldn't stay up and if they were so harmful then in a public park then why not now and a public museum?

Ten years?
Fifteen?

>>137795735
bravo my man. did you just come up with that? we need people like you in the government sir.

>>137814337

Exactly. If you make even just a small concession, there's going to be another push later on, and more pushes until it's gone entirely.

>>137801230
because we arent morons. history happened and people need to know who the players were why they did what they did and realize there is a reason those statues are present. we are just over 250 years old we cant start erasing the history already.

>>137812475
Why do you think there are more examples of people eventually being forced to purge commies, rather than success stories of commies working with others?

>>137790025
Because it's a matter of public policy which is being decided without the consultation of the public.

>>137815447
>people need to know who the players were why they did what they did
Shouldn't these statues be of slave auctions then?

>>137816003
no. only 4% of the south even cared about slavery.