Capitalism, Communism, or National Socialism?

>>137780317
how about monarchism

>>137780317
Capitalism, rights for the individual.

>>137780451
how about I strap your mother to the ceiling over a bucket of bleach while constantly giving her water so that she needs to urinate, and when she does the ammonia in the urine mixes with the bleach and makes a toxic gas that slowly kills her you monarch boot licking cocksucking bitch

>>137780317
national socialism is not significantly distinct from communism in terms of how it affects the lives of everyday citizens.

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>>137781895
bro what he fuck?

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>>137780317
Capitalism has objectively brought forth the best results thus far and has proven itself to be the only sustainable system.

>>137780451
Monarchy isn't an economic system, you can have capitalist, fascist, and feudalist monarchies.

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Capitalism
BALD EAGLES FOR EVERYONE

>>137782529
that eagle couldn't stop admiring himself till march, but he didnt starve because patriotic rodents forced themselves into his mouth.

>>137782212
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>137780317
National Socialism is capitalistic tho

>>137782976
I'm certain some industries are nationalized though. Or at least heavily subsidized with other regulatory aspects. I doubt the modern US economy is too far off desu.

>>137783183
damn filter

>>137782870
is there going to be a follow up post with an argument of some sort?

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>>137783376

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>>137783411

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>>137783465

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>>137783502

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>>137783575

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>>137783619

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>>137782976
hitler nationalised nearly all industry and all of education. Charged a 50% income tax. Instituted a UBI and established a massive bureaucracy to enforce an impossible labyrinth of regulations.

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>>137783713

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>>137783768

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>>137783858

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>>137783920

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>>137782870
>when you can't argue with the facts so you just laugh it off to pretend you didn't lose

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>>137784030

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>>137784062
Jews support other Jews in the free market. The end result is not better than communism.

>>137783381
>>137784062
>>137782212
the nazis created rockets and many advancements in medical research and they were not capitalists

the soviets brought us to space and they were not capitalist

the american government created almost everything used the modern phones and the internet

idk what capitalism has created that was not a collection of previous government ideas

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>>137784289

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>>137784375

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>>137780317
A republic, I want that city spam

>>137783920
>>137783858
>>137784030
All the jews, unfair trials, and fake genocides can't make the simple fact,
The in order to give to someone who doesn't work, you must take from someone who does.
away, and it is that face that is the proverbial wrench in the engine of sociolism.

The right leader can't do it. Getting rid of blacks won't do it. Killing the very last jew won't do it.

It can't be done, and it has been tried and tried and tried. With every flavor and nuance explored. For thousands of years, and under just as many names.
Give it up.
Get a job.
Mind your own business.

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>>137784687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvBBmMN0JvY

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>>137783411
>>137783376
remember when you posted this, and bitcoin was only a few hundred dollars?
you arent going to convince people the ancaps are wrong, so you better hope enough ancaps are racist (I wouldnt worry, wink wink *whistles dixie*)

>>137784289
Are you seriously comparing the standard of living in modern day america to soviet russia?

>>137784368
goddard was a capitalist

>>137780317
I'll take a combination of Titoism and Distributism.

>>137784368
The united states government makes nothing, invents nothing, and thinks of nothing. It writes checks, and then gives those checks to private firms.

What's to stop people living under Communism from doing the absolute bare minimum at work?
If they're going to get paid the same as the mouth breathers then what is the incentive to put forth the effort to go that extra mile if there's no chance of pay increase?

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>>137784368
>the nazis created rockets and many advancements in medical research and they were not capitalists
>the soviets brought us to space and they were not capitalist
Neither the Nazis nor the Soviets still exist anymore. If your idea of a good system is to make scientific progress before collapsing shortly afterwards then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe they should've used some of that science to figure out how to not become irrelevant.

>>137784894
your right that that is an insult to the soviet union
atleast they wised up about degeneracy and became almost puritanical in nature

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>>137784801
>>137784777
https://pastebin.com/wV97RYQT
>>137784825
Read them and stop dodging the arguments made in them.
>>137784894
It's heading that way. The homelessness and job shortages will keep increasing as long as Jews keep fucking people over.

>>137785121
nazis were destroyed by the communists and the soviets gave their nation away
never seen an anarchocapitalism society work tho

>>137784440
>Let's blow all of our cash reserves on a unsustainable security force to enslave our customer base

Wow. Are you a business consultant? Because if you aren't you really should be.

>>137780317
if the alt-right keeps shitting on natsoc the way the msm wants you to, you'll be all alone

AnCap lets eugenics thrive and weeds out degenerate races. It seems to push cultural degeneracy, though, bc sex sells and Jews and shit.

>>137784375
its like a meme straight out of left/pol/
it was stale seven years ago and its stale now
just say some of that stuff on the right
>your house your rules
>rent=voluntary
>cops must be unleashed to defend liberty
and you wonder why people think you arent a real nazi

distributism

>>137785263
>stop dodging the arguments made in them.
they make no mention of the freedom to disassociate
because you have no argument against that, do you kike?

>>137785071
>The united states government makes nothing, invents nothing, and thinks of nothing.
it clearly makes money from taxes
>It writes checks, and then gives those checks to private firms.
and they can only work for the united states government. so tell me how that is capitalism?

>>137785561
in an an-cap society, how do we stop jews from rising to the top again without violating the NAP?

>>137785263
homeless people in america live like kings compared to fully employed people in soviet russia.

>proof hitler was a capitalist.
Except for the personality cult, high taxes, and massive regulations. Yeah whatever, you can put any words in nay order you want.

so-called-nazis are just wanna be gibsmedats who are jealous of niggers for having the balls to exploit the welfare state. It's gross. You're gross.

>>137780317
capitalism of course

btw communism and national socialism are very close from each other

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>>137785263
>>137785338
How do you think we got where we are now from being Libertarian? Companies abused the absence of a government in market by price fixing and shit. Niggers were imported here to do slave labor because the government didn't do shit about it until Lincoln.
>>137785426
Can you please stop dodging the arguments?
>>137785561
How does your AnCap differ from everyone else's AnCap?

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>no traditionalism or monarchy
shiggy diggy

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>>137785293
>nazis were destroyed by the communists and the soviets gave their nation away
So they were complete failures then?

>>137783753

>nobody refuting this blatant lie

the absolute state of pol

also

>Jw

>>137785366
the alt-right is a conspiracy theory invented by the hillary campaign to explain all the online hate and trolling.

Anyone unironically calling themselves alt-right now is just trying to slip into the role created for them by, their down low comrades, the democrats.

>>137785939
>So they were complete failures then?
I don't follow

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>>137785780
>homeless people in america live like kings compared to fully employed people in soviet russia.
I wasn't arguing that it's the same, just that neither are good.
>Except for the personality cult, high taxes, and massive regulations. Yeah whatever, you can put any words in nay order you want.

>so-called-nazis are just wanna be gibsmedats who are jealous of niggers for having the balls to exploit the welfare state. It's gross. You're gross.
Keep dodging, you just make me look better to the lurkers.

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>>137786093
Something a little lighthearted.

>>137785719
Not the poster you directed the question... but breaking down barriers to infiltrate mass media would be a start. Technology is heading this direction anyway. As for the banking, I'm not sure.

>>137785575
you have a dubious definition of "make" if you htink thats what the US is doing when it collects taxes, and no company is forced to only work for the government. Lots of companies do it because it's profitable. And it's profitable because the government steals money from its citizens and then spends it recklessly.


But since you asked, it's not capitalism. Its cronyism. where a private firm will buy politicians who will in turn use their influence to grant tax subsidies, contracts, or w/e else to their masters.

>>137786347
but if you have freedom of association, whats stopping nepotism from make every position in power be held by (((the choosen))). they have the wealth and influence, all you'd be doing is making it easier

>>137786001
most still do call themselves "alt-right" especially on YT, our biggest platform

>>137785805
>Companies abused the absence of a government in market by price fixing and shit.
this is just historically incorrect. We got to where we are now through incremental advances in regulations and government power.

When was the big worker's revolution that instituted modern regulations and their departments? It never happened. But every administration was some big new to-do that needed a new law, a new department to enforce it, and butt loads of money to finance it.

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>>137786307
Reminder that no one will be able to afford private mercenaries and that there won't be enough to stop other nations.
Reminder that no AnCaps and Libertarians can agree on what specifically the NAP entails when it comes to Commies, animals, children, and businesses.
Reminder that /pol/ used to be nazi at it's founding and that Libertarians and AnCaps are newfags, pic related.

>>137785942
>how come no one else has done this yet?!
yeah you sound like a socialist.

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>>137786060
The Nazis went to war with everyone and lost and the Communists created a system that failed as soon as the wrong guy was put in power.

>>137786833
By the time that the government started cracking down on shit like price fixing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act
It had already gotten to the point where people who had gotten rich off of it could afford to bribe and lobby in the government.
Free market is good to an extent, but it can't do everything.

>>137786093
so you're arguing that hitler was actually a freedom loving capitalist, and you're showing off his demographic based gun ban?

do you even know what we're talking about when we say things like freedom or capitalism?

>>137780451
fpbp

>>137786473
>no company is forced to only work for the government.
no but they are not allowed to sell us government secrets now are they?

> Lots of companies do it because it's profitable.
because they work for the government

>But since you asked, it's not capitalism. Its cronyism.
because they are simply extensions of the military's arm

> the government steals money from its citizens and then spends it recklessly.
are we on this topic now?

>>137787194
and? how does that make them complete failures?

>>137787194
>The Nazis went to war with everyone and lost
Literally because of hyper capitalist Jews.
>>137787287
Never said he was freedom loving. He let everyone except for Jews have guns. He was capitalist, but not a unrestrained capitalist.
>do you even know what we're talking about when we say things like freedom or capitalism?
Yes, and too much of either are bad.

Nazi 4ever <3

>>137787194
>the nazis went to war with everyone

yeah, and an-caps did..... um?....oh shit. thats right. they havent done anything and never will

>>137780317
>Capitalism, Communism, or National Socialism?

Constitutional monarchy.

>national socialism
>capitalism
both are the same thing desu I don't get you

>>137786804
True... problem is that the Jews pretty much practice Nazism but since they are protected class it's actually encouraged. They then spread socialism bc free riding is a covert form of oppression to keep their sheep, sheep.

>>137787283
you can't form trusts without the help of big government to keep away competitors. Every license, fee, special rule, and new tax is a roadblock to newer more efficient competitors.

It happened with opec just a few years ago. They fixed the price of oil so high that fracking became viable and began competing. The only way they could deal with it was to lower their prices again.

pol;icy only has the power to make things worse. You think you're fighting the jew, but you're just arming him.

>>137787840
Monopolies only exist in regulated societies.

>>137787983
society naturally regulates itself
nothing can stay in a state of anarchy

>>137787566

Scaredy Cat.

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>>137787637
Stop deflecting from your own failures. The entire world, barring North Korea, is currently capitalist.

>>137787561
>Literally because of hyper capitalist Jews.
Well then they should've created a system that isn't so vulnerable to Jewish infiltration.

>>137787547
No they're not. That's wouldnt be cpaitalism then.

Yeah...wokring for the government can be profitable enoguh to base your whole business on it, but like I said and like you didnt refute, they aren't bound by law to do so.

They are not "simply" anything. The extrenuous complexity under the hood of what we're talking about is so complex that explaining it is itself another lucrative business.
The military industrial complex is an elaborate machine which uses the power of big government to create a demand for military hardware. We can't change the companies, but we can change the government.

Yes we are. that's been what this topic was about since the OP. It's the core what he's asking.

>>137788067
True as well... personally believe federal should be AnCap but states able to regulate morally.

Let's sed aside our differences for a moment and redpill all the newfags lurking or posting shit threads.
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>>137788284
but not real capitalism amirite?

>>137780317
>50% votes for (((capitalism)))

I thought this board was redpilled.

>>137787840
>explicitly forming a government where Jews cannot preform usury and work together to destroy the host country is helping them somehow
I don't follow your logic with this.
Nazis were and are not against small businesses and competition, they just seek to keep competition fair so large companies do not gang up on smaller ones.
>>137788284
Nazis weren't vulnerable to it, other countries were. Hitler tried to fight them all off, doing what's right and fighting in of itself is just as important as the outcome. FDR did everything short of declaring war on the Germans to make the war harder for them. Churchill rejected peace offer after peace offer. Private Jewish banks had most countries on a tight leash. No governmentfags and completely free tradefags are inherently weak to Jews working together. Individualists will lost to a group every single time. We stopped being hunters and gathers because they were conquered by kings.

>>137788958
Most NatSoc moved to infinity.

>>137788284
still havent given a good reason why they were failures anon

>>137788369
>they aren't bound by law to do so.
yes they are. that is why its classified.

>we're talking about is so complex that explaining it is itself another lucrative business.
>ITS TOO COMPLEX TO TALK ABOUT
if the government pays the companies to produce inventions made for war then they work for the government

>Yes we are
you are the one who has to prove to me that taxation is theft.

>>137788456
like the un? yeah thats working...

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>>137788894
You said it, not me.

>>137788894
not wholly capitalist.

Capitalism, even anarcho capitalism, exists all over the world and always has and always will. In the inter personal commerce of private citizens which are too small for the ruling authorities to notice.

>>137783183
nationalizing industry or anything is not socialism.

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>>137789148
>still havent given a good reason why they were failures anon
I guess I just consider any system that can't last more than a few decades a failure.

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>>137788999
>77
>88
>999

>>137782976
>National Socialism is capitalistic tho

It's nigger-tier capitalism, ala state capitalism. There's no real free enterprise. You work the hours the state demands, produce the items the state demands, etc. It's like Venezuelan capitalism.

Why do you NatSocs support this trash? You value freedom about as much as the lefties do.

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>>137789299
Shit dude, I didn't even notice.

Why not all three?

National Capital-Communism

>>137789415
>I don't know what NatSoc is: the post

>>137789266
if that is your definition of failure then I consider any nation that has not lasted 1000 years to be a failure
roman empire was not a failure
the american empire is

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>>137780451
>>137787725

The only answer.

>>137780451
What's to prevent another (((Hapsburg))) dynasty?

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>>137789561
The Roman Empire IS a failure.

>>137789854
how so?
it fits your arbitrary definition of success anon

>>137789170
>thats called commerce

just because humans trade in their daily lives, it doesnt then mean that we strip away all or most regulations. when profit is the main motive, it ends badly. corperations today have to deal with so much regulations and they are all awful. no exceptions. do you really want them to have even more power?

>>137789148
If lockheed martin wanted to stop making rockets and sell icecream instead they are free to do so. The fact that some of their employees who have security clearances potentially know secrets they'd be presecuted for selling is not pertinent to the point and also, I'd agree, is not capitalism. But it's not capitalism in the way spaghetti is not a car.

It's not too complex to talk about, I just spoke more about it than you did. I took issue with your characterization of the matter. They get payed, by the government, which gets it's money from taxation. Yeah. that's not capitalism. And I have no compunction with saying so.

I actually dont like to say taxation is theft because it's actually robbery. Robbery is the use of force or the threat of force to coerce someone to give you their property. Taxes are mandatory and not paying them is punishable with arrest. That's it. That's all there is.

>>137783619

Ok, now this is good. But the same would happen under NatSoc.

>>137790108
There isn't redistribution under NatSoc.

>>137790108
Also, how new?

>>137780317
Unironically voted NatSoc desu

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>>137790265
kek

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>>137780317
Capitalism is what got us into this mess in the first place.

https://youtu.be/kzIRG525l6s

>>137790084
>If lockheed martin wanted to stop making rockets and sell icecream instead they are free to do so. The fact that some of their employees who have security clearances potentially know secrets they'd be presecuted for selling is not pertinent to the point and also, I'd agree, is not capitalism. But it's not capitalism in the way spaghetti is not a car.
but the inventions created for the military are not for sale to anyone but the military, therefore by the means of production the military created them.

> Robbery is the use of force or the threat of force to coerce someone to give you their property.
so is it robbery when a landlord evicts you, or when the bank repossesses your property?

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It no longer exists.

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>>137780317
Any sane person knows the answer.

>>137790829
so the capitalistic british empire was a failure because it doesnt exist anymore?
show me a government that has lasted forever and I'll call you a liar

>>137791027
Britain is still capitalist, as are its previous subjects, ergo capitalism was a success.

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>>137790829
fantastic arguements. really activated my almonds

>>137790026
commerce is buying and selling, and capitalism is the use of capital to enhance the value of commodities to make a profit. Commerce is the central wheel of capitalism so expect that to not be the last reference made to it.

but anyways
You're making a very blue pilled statement here. The government does not check corporate power through regulations. Corporations own the government. Laws are written for them. The candidates they want to win are the only ones who run. Every new regulation they graciously allow to enter the books is a PR stunt to trick the underclasses into thinking someone has their back, and are undermined by numerous exceptions which allow the established corporations to stay in power while blocking out any new comers.

Holy shit. You're a really sorry fascist.

We peel back regulations not to unleash the corporations but to empower small businesses to innovate and topple them. "Big Business" cannot be sustained without a Big Government to seal up the cracks. Ultimately you've missed the point though.
It's not the regulations we have a problem with. It's the use of state power to force people to play by unfair rules.
Good regulations are good and help protect consumers from things too difficult for someone without a specific education to know about. I actually can't test my own food for botulism, and I'd support a consumer protection firm that wanted to take on the task. And if I found out that people were getting sick from food they approved I'd stop supporting them.

Meanwhile in real life the FDA has to recall something like half of all drugs it approves and nearly every year some produce turns out to be covered human shit. Can I take my tax dollars from them and go somewhere else?

>>137791158
britian is still monarcy, ergo, you're a dipshit

>>137791158
north korea was apart of the communist revolutions that were sweeping asia and it still exists, ergo communism was a success

>>137780317
Capitalism, but if people wish to live under NatSoc, then let them. Commies are the only ones worth slaughtering.

>>137784030
>nazi propaganda

I see this posted all the time around here and no one seems to bother to look any of it up, like the Danzig Corridor massacre. There's no evidence of that, but is sure is a convenient pretext to invade Poland. No links provided by the OP in this cap either. It's just very popular, unsourced copy pasts passed around here as straight fact which "you are not taught in school". Yeah, for obvious reason this shit isn't taught in school. We don't teach North Korea's version of the truth in school either.

>The JEWS do NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!

Talk about bait.

>>137790212
>There isn't redistribution under NatSoc.

Are you fucking serious? Guess all that property taken away from the jews in Nazi Germany doesn't count, does it?

I love commies and NatSocs who deny history.

>>137785453
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well

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>>137792399
Congrats, you passed! Here is the Poland one for people that actually want to get deeper into the history.
>>137792636
Most Jews weren't full citizens. Only a few ever were "honorary Aryan".

>>137785868
This

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Reminder that capitalism and communism are both Jewish cancer.

Especially capitalism under the Central Bank System, which prints absolutely worthless paper money out of thin air, and then loans it to the host nation's government with interest, thereby creating a perpetual, never ending cycle of debt, financial slavery, and control.

You can't expect an optimal system and the well-being of anyone if your system only cares about the bottom-line and profits of a handful of CEOs and bankers.

Under capitalism anything will be done like promoting mass immigration, corporate feminism, destroying the environment, creating wars, degeneracy, dumbing down everything, etc. if it can generate just a bit more profits.

>>137792636
>non humans can own land
>jews are human
its not redistribution, just regular distribution

also
after the civil war Lincoln redistributed slave owners lands to wounded vets

>>137790740
Ok if you unironically want to get really technical then lockheed martin still owns its own capital, and could at the very least exert its dominion over them by shutting down and refusing to make more stuff. But I've already said the government's relationship with military contractors, and plenty of other industries, is not an example of capitalism.

No it is not robbery when a landlord evicts me because we have made an agreement where I will pay him a fee while being allowed to live on their property. What would be robbery is if I were evicted and my landlord decided he was going to keep all of my property that was inside. As for the bank example you're already showing your hand. If I buy a house, specifically, with a mortgage I will have entered into an agreement where the bank actually purchases the home on my behalf, and then allows me to live there while I pay them back. It's in the terms of our agreement therefore I cannot claim they are taking my property without my consent or by force. We had an arrangement and what happens if I dont fulfill my promises would be a part of that agreement.
A better example would be buying things on credit. The bank is footing the bill for some stuff I want and I have to pay them back. In this case, if I don't, they dont actually get to just repossess stuff. They have to sue me, and it would actually be the court that would order my property to be seized to pay them off.
Now what you're REALLY trying to reference actually involves no banks. Some businesses will finance their customers for large purchases. Like If I buy a car on finance. If I don't pay them back, they have the legal right, to enter my property without my permission and take back, by force if necessary, the car or w/e.

>>137791750
>confusing political and economic systems

>>137791797
Communism called for a global communist society, North Korea is a single nation, ergo it was a failure.

>>137793031
That's exactly what they do, and a lot of businesses use this system to exploit people. But it is part of the agreement I have to consent to before anything happens. I have to say "Yes, if i dont pay the agreed upon amount, you may come back and take the car even if I later say you're not allowed to.

>>137791027
occupying and exploiting foreign nations is not capitalism.

>>137792961

Anarcho-Communism isn't Marxist though.

>>137793090
by that definition communism has never existed

>>137793239
kek then how is america capitalist?

>communists 8%
The shills seem to be going down.
This probably would have been over 20% a couple days ago.

>>137792961
>mass immigration, corporate feminism, destroying the environment, creating wars, degeneracy, dumbing down everything
none of those things are more profitable and all of the real life examples of these are a product of big government being owned by big business.

Take the bullets out of the gun and then they cant shoot you with it.

>>137793350
>by that definition communism has never existed
Well if it's never existed then it's clearly a failure.

>>137793448
>shills going down
yes, but reddit going up

>>137793350
>kek then how is america capitalist?
go on
keep thinking about it.

>>137780317
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

>>137793031
the state is the one that guarantees your right to property in the first place, so if you do not give the state its proper dues you have no rights to your property

>>137793665
how can it be a failure if it hasnt been tried?

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>>137793665

A fucking AnCap

>>137793838
has capitalism never existed?

>>137793844
right. So I have to guarantee my own rights by owning my own means of security.

>>137793844
>how can it be a failure if it hasnt been tried?
It has been tried, it's just never existed.

>>137794012
back up
do a three point turn
then keep thinking about it.

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>>137793885
>tfw I forgot to save that flag the last time I saw it

>>137780317
Fuck commies and nazis.

Capitalism is the only way.

What we have in America is a bad infection of corporate socialism that needs squashed.

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>>137780317
The Neo Nazis can't win their own strawpoll on their own board

>>137794018
>right. So I have to guarantee my own rights by owning my own means of security.
yes

>>137794060
how can it be a failure if it has never existed?

>>137794072
no idea what you mean

>>137790535
All countries are in debt because of credit.

Credit is socialistic.

Ergo, corporate socialism ruined America.

There's a reason Jesus threw out money changers. America needs to throw out Federal Reserve for stealing our gold.

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>>137782119
Hey I thought It was poetic

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>>137792399
>Yeah, for obvious reason this shit isn't taught in school.

Because your school system has been subverted and controlled for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mA0kk29DBA&feature=youtu.be
http://jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
https://archive.is/krBrL
https://archive.is/MitYS

Same reason why no one is taught about the German Revolution, Bavarian Socialist Republic, the Holodomor, or the contract that England had signed with Poland to start a war against Germany, but conveniently there was no contract in case of a Soviet invasion (which did happen around the same time).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance

Also the same reason why people are taught that "Nazism" is somehow worse than communism despite communism having a much higher death count.

>>137793313

They're two sides of the same coin though.

With anarcho-capitalism, the bankers control the corporations which control the government (or they're just equivalent to a "private" government is there's no "government" to speak of)

In the case of communism, the bankers control the state which control the corporations and everything.

Capitalism might be better but the bankers still control everything. The solution is to end the Central Banking System, which very few people (Hitler among them) tried to do.

With capitalism you're expected to give up your heritage and nation for profits. With communism you're expected to give them up for because of idealism and it being "racist", "imperialist", etc.

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>>137780317

moderate libertarianism. Elimination of income tax, universal sales tax.

emphasis on funding for military & education
advancement of education using verified and reproducible education experimentation and studies, advancing educational standards by %50 (8th graders will be as educated as highschool seniors)
elimination of compulsory education for anyone past 8th grade
federal regulation of core education based on objective science, not politics

sexual education integrated into microbiology, biology intro and earth sciences

reduction if not elimination of welfare

elimination of property taxes.
constitutional carry
maintain ban on transportation of "destructive devices"
redefine destructive devices to mean explosive materials and projectiles

elimination of minimum wage
reduction of immigration, immigration based on merit

absolute, unquestioning enforcement of the first 10 ammendments

enforcement of laws protecting environments from heavy metal pollution and regulating harvesting of natural resources, nothing more

elimination of eminent domain laws, 100% adherence to property rights.

>>137782006
National Socialism doesn't redistribute wealth or collectivize. In fact, it heavily privatized its industries, which was against the trend of the time even among capitalist countries who were all nationalizing.

>>137789636
>inbreeding
eww

>>137780317
Capitalism it's unfair
it spam poverty and corruption like no other.

Comunism doesn't work, it turns the people into cannibals and dog eaters, reduce the country to poverty

NatSoc it's bad becouse it is socialist
venezuela is a clear example of a nacional socialist state.

Nazi Germany was not Nat. Soc. , it just had the name becouse it selled best.

Is national capitalism feasible?

>>137794993

also constitutional elimination of NFA, but silencers may be banned by local, but not state governments.

>>137792936

Ok, so the relationship soured. There's still no evidence of some Polish mass murder against thousands of germans, which forced Hitler to invade. This is the same pretext Putin used to invade Ukraine, by arguing ethnic Russians needed their white knight to save them. Please.

Why not just accept that Hitler is a aggressive authoritarian who desperately wanted to see a new Prussian empire, and thus invaded a neighboring country without justification? You guys love the fact Hitler is strong and aggressive, why make him out to be some pitiful pacifist who was just forced to invade and wage war across Europe? It's ridiculous and reeks of propaganda. And that's without all the international jew conspiracies thrown in.

>>137794460
>how can it be a failure if it has never existed?
Because being tried and failing to exist is even worse than existing and then not existing.

>>137794993

also elimination of state regulations of education, institute strict objective scientific core curriculum.

no federal higher education funding, grants, or tax breaks.

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>>137795293
>Ok, so the relationship soured. There's still no evidence of some Polish mass murder against thousands of germans, which forced Hitler to invade.
They published a 300 page document filled with photographs, confessions and sworn testimonies.

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm

Don't talk without doing research.

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>>137791797
>north korea was apart of the communist revolutions that were sweeping asia and it still exists, ergo communism was a success

Behold the success of communism..

>>137794460
>how is america capitalist?
It isn't. So what does that imply?

It implies that the unarguably horrible things caused by the US government, and global corporations are not because of capitalism. Instead capitalism is being used as a scapegoat. We label america capitalist, then it does shit people dont like, and then politicians run on the idea of reigning in capitalists. All the people who dont like what corporations do vote for them. Then the politician writes laws and enforces them at the behest and benefit of those corporations.
rinse
repeat

pull the power on the government and suddenly the services of a politician arent worth billions of dollars. Slimey kikes (and kikesque) politicians wont be able to get ahead in politics. Big businesses will have to constantly reinvest their massive wealth into innovation, and will begrudgingly be forced to capitulate to consumer demands. Otherwise they'll lose business to someone who cares more about money than the dignity of being a despot.

It's a bait and switch brother. The government lets the monsters off their leash and then says they need you to give them bigger leashes. Give them what they ask for and it's you who's wearing the leash, and the monsters get to roam free.

>>137794993

elimination of the presidency an enstatement of an elected tribunal as the head of the executive branch of the united states government.

>>137791797
>north korea was apart of the communist revolutions
wew
kim il-sung was installed by the soviets, there was no "revolution"

>>137780451
FPBP

Capitalism = freedom, it's the only true choice.

>>137795293
>There's still no evidence of some Polish mass murder against thousands of germans
There's no evidence that Germans are responsible for the mass murder of people as well. Many of the mass graves are Soviet, there could easily be Polish made ones.
>Why not just accept that Hitler is a aggressive authoritarian who desperately wanted to see a new Prussian empire, and thus invaded a neighboring country without justification?
Because that's not the primary reason why he did it at all.
>You guys love the fact Hitler is strong and aggressive, why make him out to be some pitiful pacifist who was just forced to invade and wage war across Europe?
He isn't a pacifist, he just picked his fights when he saw injustice or bad shit. He made mistakes in some regards, but overall, his system was better than any other.
>It's ridiculous and reeks of propaganda. And that's without all the international jew conspiracies thrown in.
Realizing that Jews are the problem is redpill 101. That's why there are so many screencaps from old/pol/ and /new/ explaining it. If you don't think that Jews are doing bad shit, and you aren't a form of right wing authoritarian, what are you doing on Politically Incorrect? Libertarianism, AnCap, Socialism, Communism, and normal Anarchy are all politically correct. /pol/ went from /new/ to /pol/ for a reason.

>>137795016
except for jewish businesses and properties.
Oh socialism's great the first week. Like life after you quit your job and just live off your savings. Not to mention all the new gibs they got when conquering their neighbors. Not to mention the growing availability and reliance of coerced labor.

We'll never know who, or if, the nazis would have turned on another demographic to pay for their lavishness, but we do know they were completely broke before the war ended, and they would have had to, or collapse anyways.

>>137796272
But there is evidence of Polish atrocities.

>>137795738
The Germans meticulously listed the names of victims, witnesses, perpetrators and places where the ethnic cleansings happened.

>>137795738
>They published a 300 page document filled with photographs, confessions and sworn testimonies.
To be fair, we say the Holocaust didn't happen because that's all they have.

>>137795740
Behold not an argument

>>137796271
freedom of what?

>>137795752
thats nice and all but I am just not getting how thats not capitalism

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>>137796271
>freedom

Freedom for a handful of megacorps and bankers to control everything.

Look at what's happening with Youtube censorship, Facebook, Google, etc. or the MSM right now. Websites and right-wing accounts/channels being shut down all over the place.

That's "capitalism" and "freedom" in action.

>>137794993

universal castle doctrine, but only INSIDE dwelling or storage places (buildings with 4 walls)

integration of the CIA, NSA and FBI,

dissolution of the ATF,

integration of tobacco and alcohol regulation into the FDA

firearms regulated by local, federally funded police adhering to constitutional carry

creation of a HAZMAT regulatory beaurocracy, regulating explosives, biohazards and radioactive materials

>>137796534
capitalism is the use of capital to increase the value of commodities to make a profit, and it is the private ownership of the means of production.

Intentionally starting a military conflict to increase demand for military equipment does not create value. It creates and excuse to shuffle money around. and the only reason the government is capable of this is because it acquires revenue through coercion.

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>>137796752

>>137796507
We have evidence that the confessions were tortured, the "witnesses" were lied to (many didn't speak German) or were liars themselves, and that the so-called "gas chambers" were (quite obviously) never used for any executions at all. There was never even enough pesticide delivered to be used for executions on the retardedly huge scale the hoaxers would have us believe.

On the other hand, the Polish's official position is "we executed Germans but they were partisans after the war started" even though we know from the Germans' evidence that there was
1) bodies in advanced decay, which proves the genocide of Germans had been going on before the war started and
2) We have proof of women and children and priests who were massacred

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>>137780317

>>137796752
>Look at what's happening with Youtube censorship, Facebook, Google, etc. or the MSM right now. Websites and right-wing accounts/channels being shut down all over the place.
I was just trying to argue this against AnCaps and Libertarians the other day. He's going to say "muh monopoly is state sponsored or state enabled."

>>137780317
Traditional Capitalism is the white man's economic ideology.
Socialism is for niggers that want free gibs

>>137797012
First paragraph is in regard to the holocaust myth, second paragraph is in regard to the massacres of Germans by Poles.

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>>137797012
Thanks for the info, man. Whenever I searched for this stuff in the past, I could never find much.

>>137781895
Use straight chlorine instead of bleach. Probably not enough chlorine in bleach to do the job.

>>137796752
a handful of megacorps that use government power to bolster antiquated and/or eploitative business models.

Like disney, which is so important it got a special merchant, continually lobbies the government to change copyright laws to extend their own copyright of "steam boat willy" into eternity. Why?
So they can sell the same 100 year old cartoon over and over and over. All while Disney owns its initial success to violating, the supposedly optimal, copyrights of "Alice in wonderland", "pinochio", "snow white", etc.

Now if there were no copy right then Disney would have to produce the best media year after year to be as big as they are. So either they shrink and their evil deeds are duelly punished, or they make movies and shit for kids that are so good its worth billions of dollars.

>>137796534
> freedom of what?
Freedom for every human to have control over their life liberty & property. The freedom to own & be responsible for yourself your actions and the effects of those actions, the very basis for a peaceful civilization & human flourishing imho.

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National Socialism in a white ethno-state > Capitalism in a white ethno-state >> Capitalism in a "diverse" nation >>>>>>> white Communism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "diverse" Communism

>>137796886
war brings territory which brings resources
I have no idea what you mean by it doesnt create value, unless you are talking about the global economy, in case it doesn't matter, it makes us better off

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>>137797412

There's still a lot of good material on Youtube for this stuff. Wonder how long it'll all stay up though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
https://www.historiography-project.com/misc/hoess.php

From the memoirs if Rudolf Hoess:
>"I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear."
http://mailstar.net/Hoss-Memoirs.html

How they obtained confessions from German officials:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

>The Majdanek Gas Chamber Myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDsJtB2F9i8

>Auschwitz - Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE56dcgGVMs

https://pastebin.com/35E6BdQ4

>>137788999
checked

>>137797569
>So either they shrink and their evil deeds are duelly punished, or they make movies and shit for kids that are so good its worth billions of dollars.
Or they can destroy companies that threaten their profits. With no government, who the fuck is going to stop their private army alone from keeping them in business.

>>137780451
I literally only entered this thread to say this.
Stop cucking me, fpbp

Also, make it an absolute monarchy, and not like the cucked "monarchies" the West has these days.

>>137780317
I don't care just get rid of all of these degenerates

>>137794993

elimination of prison time for drug possession; licensing and mandatory inspection/analysis of product for producers of consumable goods.

abortion is legal, free for unwed single mothers, and untaxed for visa'd immigrants

no more citizenry by birth; both parents must be american citizens for the child to have citizenship, regardless of birth location, or the mother must be an american citizen and the child born on american territory.

redefinition of animal abuse: animals must be able to see the sky at all times, be able to turn around, lie down flat, and stand up straight in their enclosures.

mandatory bifurcation of monopalies; no utility company may lobby against individual collection of energy resources (never heard of a california condor being killed by solar panels or rain barrels, ever) however there may be regulations on wind turbines in areas with endangered birds, but it must be federally approved and be backed up by overwhelming evidence.

>>137797863
I already know how about the torturing, gas chambers, and other stuff, I was talking about the Danzig massacres specifically. Good job posting it for lurkers, though.

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Alright gentlemen, NS and Capitalism has a edge over Communism. Let's do a service and get them out of Congress.

/pol/-tards proven retarded again...

>>137798067

"animal abuse" must be proven, and guilty parties will be subject to license revocation and prison time.

hunting lisences for US citizens will be free in their state of residence. the initial necessary hunter's safety education course, should be privatized, regulated and taxed. states maintain hunting regulation enforcement in regards to residents of other states.

>>137797805
is this an original pepe?

>>137795738
>They published a 300 page document filled with photographs, confessions and sworn testimonies.

I just looked through that document, put out by a famous neonazi (hoggan), no pictures in that very long PDF. Also you guys are also citing stuff from the institute of historical review, which is another psuedo-intellectual organization founded by antisemites and neonazis. The leading organization spreading holocaust denial. Nice.

You have anything a little less...I don't know, unbiased and credible? Surely if these theories and conspiracies were based in fact, you could find some impartial source for them?

>Don't talk without doing research.

This is like debating evolution with a creationist who cites all his "research" from creationist websites whose claims can't be corroborated anywhere else. You stormfags are shilling "facts" form your own organizations. Hilarious.

>>137794993

and martial law shall be constitutionally banned from violating the first ten amendments of the constitution, except that it may introduce and enforce curfews.

>>137797224
>Socialism is for niggers that want free gibs

you're thinking about a welfare state, not socialism

>>137780317
the only one that worked

Capitalism

>>137799359
feudalism "worked" too

>>137799631
it only worked for 1 king per country so around 26 kings were happy

in capitalism everyone can be a king

>>137799912
>in capitalism everyone can be a king
you don't even believe this lad

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>>137797569
>Now if there were no copy right then Disney would have to produce the best media year after year to be as big as they are. So either they shrink and their evil deeds are duelly punished, or they make movies and shit for kids that are so good its worth billions of dollars.

You're assuming all human beings are super intelligent free-market wunderkind who can properly evaluate the cost/benefit analysis of a trade

In reality, most people follow social reasoning and are prone to propaganda, totally unable to make positive decisions in their lives. They need a leader, and a heirarchy guiding them down the right path. A set of morals and institutions rigidly leading them to the pasture so they may eat

Preying upon the poor with usury is like shooting fish in a barrel. And what's even worse is the libertarian proclaims that it's the poor man's own fault for agreeing to his miserable situation

Business interests don't only subvert governments to create monopolies (although that's a big big part of it). They also subvert governments in other ways: an example would be monied interests lobbying for looser border controls so that they can hire more illegals. Or lobbying for free trade agreements so they can move jobs overseas. But no government intervention would simply allow them to do whatever the fuck they want to prevent any fair competition. That's why I think you need a strong state that doesn't let itself get subverted or bought. Private property is still valued highly, but you still need to keep it in check

The world does much better without monopolies just viewing people as a recourse, while basically enslaving them and putting a false facade that there might be hope you will progress and become the next millionaire, but with a system like that in place, the millionaires make sure they stay rich and the poor stay poor. It isn't always a matter of intelligence but of the willingness to not view another as a human but as something to exploit.

>>137799631
Worked pretty shit compared to the Liberalism that overtook it and launched us to where we are today. Morally it was pretty shit as well.

>>137780317
Capitalism wins

Nazifags BTFO

>>137781895
Beer makes people urinate faster... Costs more, , obviously

>>137780317
erectile penisism

>>137800495
I'd say the poll needs at least 1,000 votes before it can be considered representative of the board (+ shills and redditors) as a whole

>>137800203
hey you work hard you get a result just keep you head down and perform well, its like a form of natural selection

and before the rants jews got their position through management over banking through countless years

like why Irish have always been in sports, we've been fighting for countless years

everyones got strengths and weaknesses
just work with them then better yourself.

its not a perfect system but its the best one their is.

>>137794993

Mandatory expulsion of illegal immigrants, regardless of educational or professional status. Execution for repeat offenders

mandatory record keeping of all citizens footprints (not fingerprints, retinas or other identifying traits) and of all immigrants footprints, visa'd or illegal.

noncitizen carry of firearms on public property is prohibited, and will result in fines or expulsion.

>>137794993

removal of state power of enforcement for transportation: freedom of movement necessitates federal regulation of transportation and communication infrastructure

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>>137800212
> You're assuming all human beings are super intelligent free-market wunderkind who can properly evaluate the cost/benefit analysis of a trade
What is the subjectivity of value & the spontaneous order created through the wide dispersal of knowledge among millions of people for 10 points?!

> Preying upon the poor with usury
> muh price of credit is immoral!
Fuck off Bakunin, Bastiat slew your ignorance 150 years ago.

> subvert governments
It's not that shocking to many of us that an insitution of justified legalized; murder, theft, assault, kidnapping & extortion would attract sociopaths and allow people to exercise immoral yet legitimized control over everyone else.

> false facade that there might be hope you will progress and become the next millionaire
It's not a false facade that living standard & social mobility increase with freedom and decrease with basically every other system of planning/control.

> willingness to not view another as a human but as something to exploit
Except you know that voluntary interaction for mutually perceived benefit ie. capitalism is the first system through which human greed is turned into a productive use where you can get wealthy by serving others, no other system has accomplished it even nationalism where people had that aim, they were still corrupted into win-lose situations.

Do you think these things through mate or just throw out the first thing that comes to mind? This all sounds like pre-conceived notions rather than any result of investigation & deep thought. Much love.

>>137800867

except facial photography of adults, along with height/weight, hair/eye skin color/ gender (there are only 2) for licensing or law enforcement purposes.

>>137784368
This. The redpill of the necessity of State action is one of the hardest to swallow.

>>137782976
No, free enterprise is not always capitalist.

>>137782212
Capitalism is nowhere close to sustainable and we will see how great it is when the oil begins to run low, our soil erodes away because of our bad agricultural practices, and our rare earths are cut off when China decides to stop destroying their enviroment to acquire them.

>>137801863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcWkN4ngR2Y

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>>137780317
This a pretty good B8 to show us how many shills are on. Great thinking OP(This was your plan.... right..?)

>>137780317
Why is shit festering capitalism winning in this poll? Since when has /pol/ been infested with these shit festering capitalist normies?

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>>137802362
of coursh!

>>137780317
Capitalism is for cuckservatives.

>>137784368
> the brilliance of individual minds means we need government to harness them.
I disagree.
>>137802393
Board when majority Liberty like 5 or 6 years ago, it fluctates. Why so salty? Do you need a safe space? Fucking slowflake.

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>>137781477
how much for the rights?

>>137802760
It's fucking regression back into the dark ages. It's further away from the truyh and the true philosophy mankind should have.

>>137802976
Freedom is the beautiful future mate, no regression. The emancipation of all of mankind to & the freedom to flourish and live their lives as they see fit is the philosophy of a moral & evolved space faring race. Or we can sit here flinging condensed atoms at each other at ever increasing speeds until we do regress to an apocolyptic scenario and then nobody gets shit.

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>>137794993
nobody? anybody? is this strictly an absolutist polarized thread?

>>137802723
why does Chile put on the mask?

>>137803430
Your concept of freedom is ambiguous, freedom to do what? Are the principles of freedom objective? Why do you think NatSoc cannot provide this idea of freedom you have.

>>137803651
what do you want?

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>>137803651
I agree with you, anon-kun

>>137803651
>screaming for attention
wew this guy

have a pity (you) don't spend it all in one place.

>>137804016

criticism or insight. read my posts. I think they're relevant, and a healthy alternative/middle ground to natsoc/ancap.

also, fuck commies.

>>137804022

glad to hear it.

>>137804218

just ideas. take em or leave em

>>137784440
1. Most of those things require a government.

2. Why would a private security company limit its profits by only catering to a single customer?

Also, what the fuck makes you statists think that everyone in your chosen ruling class is going to be all about "The Plan" and isn't just seeking out power for entirely selfish reasons anyway?

>>137804274
i did read it
take this into consideration>>137804218
i'm less likely to reply to faggots seriously if they turn into myspace homos yelling "look at me"

>>137804418
its not me BEGGING for a response, like i give a fuck

Capitalism is by far the best system for the White Man. When you give the White Man domain over his life and property he will do amazing things.

He will build, invent and ponder. He will use his money to make powerful industries and feats of technology. Not to mention he will have more "room" to have more kids.

Unfortunately other races can't thrive in this system.

>>137803829
Freedom is very simple if you use deductive reasoning to find the core. Every human being needs to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour to survive & flourish, thus everyone needs to be free to labour, thus everyone needs to be free to control their person so they have control of their faculties.

This is the essense of self-ownership, property rights & the NAP, that you need to be able to own & be responsible for yourself, your actions & the effects of those actions ie. Life, Liberty & property - self, faculties, fruits of your labour.

To deny people the fruits of their labour is to engage in theft, to deny people the use of their faculties is to engage in slavery/extortion & to aggress against someones person leads to assault, murder, rape etc.

If we maintain this core & apply it consistently, the state itself violates these rights by its very existence, yet trade & free markets are merely people exercising these core concepts.

Everything else depends on your subjective values & any problems that arise in the world we need to work towards solving & violating the essence of human existence is in my mind immoral & impracticle.

So it's not very fucking ambiguous now is it? It has the most clarity of any ideas. Life, Liberty, Property - self, actions, effects of those actions - self-ownership, use of your faculties, the fruits of your labour.

>>137804538
>Also, what the fuck makes you statists think that everyone in your chosen ruling class is going to be all about "The Plan" and isn't just seeking out power for entirely selfish reasons anyway?

You mean the SS ruling class? They will be bound by bloodline and it will serve their best interest not to split up into multiple competing factions. The SS will be a new aristocracy.

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>>137783652
I'll take my Stalin and Mao thanks.

>>137780317
>first time I have ever seen capitalism in first place on strawpoll in years
Is the reign of stormfaggots on /pol/ coming to an end?

>>137804725

hey, you responded.

>>137804603
yet here you are.

no more (you)'s for you.

>>137805040
> bloodline
> won't split into factions
Umm, are you forgetting all of Feudal & imperial history or are you thinking of something a little differnet mate?

>>137805334
and yes i larp to push for ALT-LEFT

does that annoy you

>>137804734
>implying you've even experienced capitalism

National Socialism advanced us much more in a much shorter space of time than (((capitalism))) did.

>>137805334
>>137805472
fuck (((you)))

>>137805420
By that logic I could point out the flaws in any ideology, point being blood bonds are the strongest and will yield the most loyalty. It's the most secure form of rulership, but you could argue a lack of morality and therefore a split in any ideology.

ha ha
>WE ARE ALT-LEFT
>TAXATION IS THEFT

wooooooooooh!

>>137804753
>Freedom is very simple if you use deductive reasoning to find the core. Every human being needs to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labour to survive & flourish, thus everyone needs to be free to labour, thus everyone needs to be free to control their person so they have control of their faculties.
Fair enough, but what if your kinsmen hit a bad lot in life and hit rock bottom, you think there should be no welfare to pick them back up on their feet? And what if your brother(kinsman) becomes disabled and can no longer work, do you just say F*ck him and let him starve?

>>137780451
How about aristocratic monarchy?
The megalomaniacs can be satisfied by being greater Nobles and ordering around the dregs. The wealthy liberal virtue signaler can be satisfied by being a lesser noble and championing the cause of the dregs while also of course ordering them around.
While the average man can go to work living his life in peace.
the king of course would be charged with leading his people and making sure his administration is at work.

>>137806170
I reposted this becsuse there were to many spelling errors sorry.

>>137805533
> no welfare to pick them back up on their feet?
No state welfare, but as with everything I think freedom can solve that problem way way more effectively than any state action particularly long term.

I look at the state and I see bloated, self interested people with their fingers in as many pies as possible adding layer after layer of beauracracy that slows everything down, bloats the costs & gives all the wrong incentives.

I can picture a world where once again the vast majority of people work & so to look after the remaining that truly need it wil be very easy. Not just with charity but self responsibility, community, family, the history of mutual aid societiest & friendlty fraternities shows that community based welfare was 10x better than the welfare state we currently have.

I help people in my own life even today, give them a room to stay in, help people out with money, financial advice, physical help etc, I'm pretty excited for the possibilities when the state fucks off out of the way.

19th & 20th century capitalism absolutely destroyed poverty levels & improved living standard I mean poor people today have houses, fridges, technology, even cars & easy access to food. It's so easy today to get a food basket when youre poor vs getting welfare when you're homeless.

The compassion is there, it's just that the alternative solutions keep peoples rights in tact while allowing 7 billion people to tackle social problems with the full might of their collective minds.

I'm not scared of freedom, I look forward to it.

>>137789415
That's why facism is better

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>>137801477
>What is the subjectivity of value

An excuse to justify mediocrity and lack of quality. Just look at the highest-grossing movies and YT vids and tell me creating an entire system based around that helps the world. Just b/c a lot of people eat junk food because it's convenient and cheaper, that doesn't mean it helps society or your people prosper in any way

>Bastiat
Not an argument. The vast majority of all equities bought and sold are on the secondary market, meaning that the proceeds of the sales of the equities don't go toward the business, but toward whoever sold them, i.e. stock brokers. The stock market is a gigantic sinkhole for capital; none of the money on the stock market is helping businesses to expand or buy materials, inputs, or labor. Most people prefer to put their money in the stock market naturally because, in comparison with investing in individual companies as a venture capitalist, the risk and uncertainty are much much lower. Since the stock market is pretty much guaranteed by the way the monetary system works to inflate consistently, it's a no-brainer: invest in stocks, not in companies or people.

>legalized; murder, theft, assault, kidnapping & extortion
The only reason most people aren't allowed to get away with this is because of laws enforced by the state.

Ancaps can't even prevent local warlords.Like, if me and 10 buddies decide to go rape and pillage, a true ancap society would be totally defenceless as the resources my group amasses would be greater than any one person we attack.

Sure sometimes the justice system is unfair. The solution isn't to scrap it altogether, it's to fit ix.

>It's not a false facade that living standard & social mobility increase with freedom
Freedom goes both ways, and every recent statistic about wealth shows it hasn't worked out and you to need to create a proper environment for social mobility instead of hoping that "freedom of markets" will fix everything

>>137805819
Yeah but the problem I have is you're giving people this power over others & it relies then on the hope that somewhere down the line some cunt won't be born, some sociopath won't take power or that blood relatives won't disagree.

That's why Liberts harp on about decentralization so much because it limits the impact psychos have by not giving them monumental leviathan states to use for evil ends.

You doin me a concern friend.

(((capitalism))) winning.

Go away t_d.

>>137806545
You offered no solutions and was incredibly vague. I don't know why you hate states so much. Done properly they service the people well.

>>137782006
You're beyond retarded.

>>137806992
Were*

>>137789636
>filename
God save the Queen

>>137800741
Given the limited understanding of NatSoc, I'd say it's doing pretty damn good. A little more redpilling and it'd be an easy win.
Also, Commie BTFO

>>137806781
> An excuse to justify mediocrity and lack of quality.
You know damn well there is no objective choice between building something out of sustainable wood or superior yet limited resources.

> Not an argument
The price of credit is necessary because credit is merely delayed consumption & falls under the same rules as every other good effected by time preference. Someone could consume now, or loan credit for a greater future amount, vice versa someone save to buy something in future or buy that something now by purchasing credit. It's pretty fuckin simple leaf.

I agree with you a bit with the stock market setup, but what do you expect with a state enforced monopoly of money & government creating & protecting limited liability corporations?

> The only reason most people aren't allowed to get away with this is because of laws enforced by the state
Yes, people find it useful to use a collective force to protect their rights better than they could themselves. Of course Ancaps can prevent local warlords, you just have an extremely limited imagination, not my problem. You can't fix a system predicated on violating rights & attracting sociopaths, it's rotten to the core we need a new core.

> every recent statistic about wealth shows it hasn't worked out a
Yes the more and more power the state has gotten the more people have used it to accumulate & centralize power & wealth. The more freedom we had the more social mobility & prosperity we had, I mean just look at the 19th & 20th century before the state impositions during & after the great wars.

>>137806992
No solutions?
> jobs
> self responsbility
> insurance
> community
> family
> charity
> mutual aid societies
There are quite a few more but the history of those are really fascinating because they worked/work so well. How many solutions do you want? Freedom provides, if you haven't already I would seriously look at the history of Mutual Aid/Friendly Societies because the state got involved.

>>137780317
I've never seen anybody give me a sufficient answer as to what national socialism even is and how it differs from other economic theories to be considered its own entity other than some idealised vision that it's whatever people want it to be, probably because nobody really understands what it actually entails and will just pass it off as "NAZI GERMANY DID IT AND IT WAS GOOD".

At least communists have a general idea of what their idiocy entails, they just argue that it hasn't REALLY been tried yet.

>>137808743
Tony knowledge it's what the name implies. Everyone works for the country and loves it no matter what and the economy is socalistic

>>137808743
It's supposed to be a self conscious system that takes the good of socialism and capitalism and discards the rest
I would just say it's welfare capitalism with non-crony government regulations
The problem is that the Reich didn't survive for too long so no one can tell what ideas lurked in Hitler's brain

>>137809463
> no one can tell what ideas lurked in Hitler's brain
Pretty easy I reckon, just look at the literature that influenced him & the Nazi party, look at the men he idolized and their ideas.

>>137809158
> Everyone works for the country
Fuck that's vague.

>>137782006
That's probably the dumbest statement I've ever heard about natsoc

>>137780317
Thank god this board is still half Natsoc half Libertarian/Capitalist

>>137810825
Thing is, a man can be influenced, but not wholly replaced by what he reads and sees, some of his beliefs were definitely shaped by fascist and right wing intellectuals, but most of of his plans and thoughts and motives will sadly never be known
This leads to such vague answers for this question
Also has to do with retardation from finding the idea of a man that isn't you having absolute authority over your life even remotely good, but they don't want to hear that, now do they?

>>137780317
National Socialism just devolves the populous into commies anyway.

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>>137808743

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0Ucaqzw2I&feature=youtu.be
https://cwporter.com/fascdiff.htm
https://archive.is/0u21S

National Socialism was basically the German take on fascism but with more focus on race, family, the tribe, the homeland, tradition, and spirituality.

Class collaboration, and Nationalism with a strong state are fascist, but National Socialism was more ethnocentric which differentiated it from other strains of fascism. Hitler wanted to fight international Jewry, fight for the preservation of the Aryan race (which he saw as under threat from Jews and communism) and making the German race as healthy and strong as possible, and wanted completely national/economic independence first by nationalizing the central bank, then removing the gold standard and printing their own money interest free, then introducing barter trade (goods for goods) with other countries. This removed power from the banks so Germany became enemy #1 because their "monetary revolution" could spread to other countries and completely destroy the central banking system which Jews like the Rothschilds use to control the global economy.

Also contrary to popular belief, National Socialism wasn't socialist the way most people think, it was just a name.

From Hitler:
>Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. ((((Marxism))) is anti-property; true socialism is not. ((((Marxism))) places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”

>>137810825
That's why I said to my knowledge because I don't know that much about it

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>>137780317
>48% crapitalist
>Only 8% communist
We've got a lot of work to do here comrades.

>>137811967
True. There does seem to be a trend though, a group if ideas & policies advocated across all of these intellectuals and seemingly what the Nazi's were trying to implement, I guess they never got the full way there so any variations or extra ideas would be unknown but there's a general idea of where they were headed.

> a man that isn't you having absolute authority over your life
I couldn't think of anything worse, that idea of standing in front of someone where you can't know their mind but if you say the wrong thing they'll declare your existence over. I don't know how people on here of all places could want people to have authority over them, unelss they're embracing their flaws but still any imposition these days by the government or corporations and this place goes nuts. Maybe they think they wouldn't cop the brunt of authority, that the "degenerates" will take the attention away from them?

>>137812869
You & me both. Can only go off the actual arguments floating around this place, but I've found in the last 18 months a line of books by fascist intellectuals and it seems to be the basis of the ideas but I'm not sure many people on here have read any of them, just unwittingly follow the ideas when they hear them from others. Still, to think it's still pretty vague after how many years of this board existing?

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>>137780317
National Socialism is ideal, but without the Nazi LARPers.

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>>137793350
>X is not Y for reason Z
>"but then how is X still Y?"
excellent post

>>137793350
>by that definition communism has never existed
That's because it never did. Name one society in recent history in which all means of production were publicly owned.

Mixed economy is the only answer.

>>137780317
Polticial science is dead, O.P. Stop wasting your time and, instead, be loyal to your own kind.

Or keep wasting it; whatever.

really good thread. National Socialism all the way.

>>137789085
I've been noticing a decrease in NatSoc's lately. Makes me sad, they were the best at debating. What is infinity? Or are you trolling?

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>>137813685

You can read the 25 points of the NSDAP:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

This what just for Germany though.

One of the main things Hitler wanted was having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money, differing values, different races, or a class/gender struggle. "Common interest above personal interest, witthout giving up your individuality" is how he framed it.

As far as the economic system, it's basically fascism but economics were always a secondary concern that were malleable.

Adolf Hitler and the German Economic Miracle
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQu3ovIlPh4

Adolf Hitler's Economic Reform
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_r9Z-hTn1r4

Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in 1930s Germany
http://ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

The Economic Plan of the NSDAP
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pKnFN8P21-0

Fascist Economics and Socialism of Duty
https://archive.is/7CUMq

The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation
http://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation

Hitler's Coup: The German War Against Globalism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7kLGYA1L4

Hitler's Economic Miracle
https://archive.is/hTgO2

>>137817126
>>137817126
> german peoples feelings
> common good
Interesting, which groups had what level of authority on deciding the interpretation & implenetation of those planks?

Would you say that the same authority structure & similar planks would be copied & pasted for each country sort of thing?