DEMOCRATS ARE TRUE NAZIS/FASCISTS

>>137760177
Bump. Looking for any Wictor caps you guys may have

>>137760177
hi Dinesh, love your work, get the demoncrats btfo

>DEMOCRATS ARE TRUE NAZIS
this is so pathetic... it's old and it never caught on and never will, only stupid cucks repeat this retarded phrase

>>137761032
Fuck you Obama Pol. Dems are also the party of the KKK.

>>137761032
yeah, it's just fascists in denial who say that to try and convince themselves they aren't.

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>hurr durr da democratz ar NAHZIZZ
FUCK OFF

>>137761393
not an argument

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>>137760177

>HAHA YES ANTIFA ARE THE REAL FACSISTS XDD

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR FAGGOT FOX NEWS TIER BOOMERFUCK MENTALITY. THEY ARE COMMUNISTS AUTHORITARIANS NOT FUCKING FASCISTS YOU DUMB NIGGER I SWEAR TO FUCKING CHRIST REDDITFAGS NECK YOURSELF

>>137761472
thiss

>>137761472
Fuck you stormfag, you are just as bad and have as little understanding of history as they do.

More commy than fascist but have a bumpskie

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>>137761668
>hurr durr stuormfags haha

>>137761472
Hitler or antifa?

We demand therefore:
>11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest
>13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
>14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
>15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
>16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
>17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

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>>137761767
>comparing failed policies of anarchist-communists to successful policies of nationalists

>>137761910
>>137761767
Also that's from 25 points of the NSDAP

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>>137761668

>implying im a stormnigger
>implying Im not just a ardent student of history

read a book niggertoucher

>>137761767
eat shit faggot

>>137761910
>successful

And I don't have to compare them when they're the same shit. Read this on a Bernie rally and they would go wild

>>137761472

Hitler or the DNC?

We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

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>>137762137
>they're shit
>they worked and gave the Germans high living standards

>>137762263
topkek

>>137762179

>please take care of me when i get old government! people of the past never lived 70+ years without the help of government!
>t-thank you master

You deserve nothing.

>>137760177
B-but nazis are lying! North Korea says it's democratic and it isn't!
We're the only ones who really MEAN IT! We da gud guyz!
Checkm8! Nazi scum!

>>137762369
I think you misunderstood my post, but I also forgot to quote post the bottom part. It should read like this:

Hitler or the DNC?
>We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

Mussolini's Fascists or the DNC?

>Labor in all forms, intellectual, technical, and manual, is a social duty. In this sense, and in this sense only, it is protected by the State.

>>137761032

i agree b/c i don't think fascism is really a political philosophy as much as it is a reaction to an actively assaulted culture. in the case of homogenous societies, social programs, even if not set into law, are not that bad of an idea, particularly if fascism is the vehicle to get your country back on track and united under a common cause.

the problem with attributing this to the left is that they use social programs not because they feel some overwhelming need to help their fellow countryman, but as a tool to strike back against the upper and middle class who pay all the taxes. if they could collect tax money and then burn it, they would do that too.

>>137762585
I see what you are saying now. You do understand why Such nations HAD to adopt socialist policies right? There was a good reason, lets see if you can muster an answer other than "MUH NAZIS WERE SOCIALISTS JUS LIKE COMMUNISTS XDD"

>>137762585

Also, WE have the same system here you dumb nigger, what you think Social Security is?

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This is a raid thread, this is the jew line to label the solution to commies as the actual commies themselves.

sage

Bernie explaining why he actually loves private property, Drumpf le nazi or Mussolini?

>Art. 9. The intervention of the State in economic production takes place only when private initiative is lacking or is insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. Such intervention may assume the form of outside control, encouragement or direct management.

>>137763466
>what you think Social Security is?

It's literally a government ponzi scheme that everyone steals out of which therefore gets kicked down the road. Set up around the same time and by the same people who were apologetic to the causes of Mussolini and Hitler.

>>137763905
THIS

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>>137761668
See, calling people stormfag. Its a raid. Open borders anti-nationalists are the opposite of fascists. In the 25 points for the NSDAP only white Germans can even be citizens. Its absolute horseshit.

>anything that is authoritarian and collectivist is fascist

t. Fox Jews

sage

>>137763345
And I understand the state of Germany when Hitler took over. He was a strong leader who took advantage of the state they were in.

>>137764095
This is not a raid thread, sorry I don't fucking give a shit about faggot nazis getting offended I don't give a shit about them.

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>>137760177

I support this endeavour

Posting relevant wictor

>>137760675

bro its your lucky day, I am the Wictor cap king. I started the first threads, did all the first caps. I have 40 of them though which do you want?

>>137764095
And I understand there are differences between communists and fascists and dems are MORE communist than fascist. But these are also two extremes and extreme sides generally overlap each other.

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>>137760675

Here are 37 of them : https://imgur.com/a/27jhK

>>137760177
Has anyone ever doubted this?
Fascism and nazism are left wing ideologies at their very core, socialist politics and economics.
The left wing parties we've got in western countries nowadays are the exact same shit, same politics, same economics. The only difference is that to hide the failure of economical marxism, they went full cultural marxism, and invented terms like "racism" in order to make up their new fight and ennemy.

>>137760177
Antifa is an Obama Communist Goon Squad.

They are communists aka cultural Marxists.

>>137765220
Some fun fact that very few people are aware of :
The European Union has been originally discussed between Hitler and Mussolini, they called it "Europe nouvelle" (French for New Europe). Propaganda films had been made about the subject in occupied France. Said propaganda films have recently popped up on the state website that collect and publish all those old videos, only to remove them a few hours later.
Look up Walter Hallstein, where he came from and what he did.

>le democrats are the real racists
Hey Rush Limbaugh, enjoying your lunch break?

>>137760177
>fight against antifa
>by agreeing with them about how shit liberals are
Niggawut?

>>137760177
All this meme do was make me a Democrat, now i like CNN since they're Democrats.

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>>137760177
HERE WE GO AGAIN

>>137764379
give this man a trophy

>>137765220
exactly right,

>b-b-b-but DRUMPF IS A NATZEE

Well, no, it's just that kids these days are so fucking indoctrinated and retarded they can't even define "fascism" or "nazism" and have no idea what these cunts defended

>>137765220
>Fascism and nazism are left wing ideologies at their very core, socialist politics and economics.
Fascism is neither right nor left wing economically it is directly opposed to both.

>>137761472
>FUCK OFF WITH YOUR FAGGOT FOX NEWS TIER BOOMERFUCK MENTALITY. THEY ARE COMMUNISTS AUTHORITARIANS NOT FUCKING FASCISTS YOU DUMB NIGGER I SWEAR TO FUCKING CHRIST REDDITFAGS NECK YOURSELF

Are you stupid?

Lefties
>Believing in freedom of speech?
Uncheck
>Using violence to suppress political opposition?
Check

Fascists
>Believing in freedom of speech?
Uncheck
>Using violence to suppress political opposition?
Check

Neo-nazis
>Believing in freedom of speech?
Check
>Using violence to suppress political opposition?
Uncheck

>>137762263
Sure, believe literall nazi propaganda and ignore the fact, that the germans had their freedom limited to the point where it didn't even matter to exist in the first place.

>>137766920
Trump is a fascist, you clearly have no idea what fascism is idiot.

>>137761472
So four example: Stalin was not a autocratic dictator with authoritative and totalitarian regime? A.k.a. a fascist, or are you dumb enough to only considers fascism if racism or nationalism is involved?

Mussolini created fascism, he was a devoted socialist and idolized Marxism… Fascism was largely predicated on the ideas of Marxism. He just developed a way that he believed Marxism could be implemented, it just required force, evidently to him it was notgoing to happen naturally

>>137765220

Lol Facism is the complete opposite of the left wing. Left wing politics generally involve state dependence. Facism is all about self-determination and worth. Improving yourself so you can be useful to others.

Left-wing politics is about cutting the top 10% so its more fair on the bottom 90%.
Fascism is making the bottom 90% aspire to be like the top 10%.

AYO POLAND, GIVE US YO LAND AS GIBS WE NEED'EM
>3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.
Do what the collective tells you! Your rights end where our feelings begin.
>10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
NATIONALIZE EDUCATION, FUCK SUBSIDIARITY, FUCK MUH STATES RIGHTS. COMMON CORE IS TOO LITTLE
>20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
N-not a-a-all speech is free, ban hurtful messages
>23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press.
>The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

>>137767861
FUCK STATE RIGHTS REEEE
>25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

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>>137761910
Shit I didn't realize we were at war with Syria

>>137767449
>Trump is a fascist
LMAO, more deluded than berniebros.

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>>137767060

>BARKBARKBARK

hahahahahahahah

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>>137768066
He follows the 14 hall marks of fascism idiot

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>>137766623

OHHHH CANNNNN YOUUU SEEE!!!

THE RIEVER OF SHIIITT!!

AND SWEET SWEET WASHING IN A BOOT ON IT!!!

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>>137764773
Thank you Nigel. I love these, so much insight.

>>137768781
Oh it's just leftypol then

>>137769074
Fuck off antifa

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>>137769148

WAIT!! YOU FUCKING UNDERAGE IMMIGRANT SHIT ARE TELLING ADULT MEN TO FUCK OFF OF FROM 4CHAN?

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

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>>137761032

welp, a little history lesson for your /pol/and the democrats were the real Southerners that were all about denying the rights to the negros.

>>137762179
I hear that Hitler liked dogs.

>>137770712
and confiscation without compensation, land reform, nationalization of industries and welfare

>>137770528
Nice fake quote, get educated

>>137761032
Everything they believe in with the exception of social traditionalism is textbook word for word nazi/facist ideology....

>>137772279
but MUH NATZEE FEEFEES

>>137764379
that many redpills can cause severe intestinal distress

>>137765712
I agree, but this is comparing the DNC platform to the platforms of the NatSocs and Fascists of the early 20th century. Different things.

>>137766210
This is about the DNC, not Antifa...

>>137767861
>>137767899
This is good shit bro. Now back to the point of this post, we need to create memed out versions of this comparing it to the DNC platform that are easy to spread...

>>137768781
>he isn't an anarcho-syndicalist so he's a fascist
kids today kek

>>137768781
Did your butt buddies at Occupy Democrats put this together for you faggot?

>>137774127
im not good at making memes, and the larpers are buttmad this has been exposed

>>137771308
Same shill LARPING as a Nazi to push disinfo. Fucking kill yourself.

ITT: Leftists are even too fucking stupid to realize they're adopting fascist tactics like attempting to silence/censor free speech.

Here's how you know Trump's not a fascist:
You retarded crybabies are still allowed to lie about him every single day on Facebook/Twitter/MSM.

>>137774905
b-b-b-but drumpf sent my grandaddy to mexicowitz' concentration camp

>>137760177
>read a book
Is this, dare I say it, not an argument?

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>Democrats are the REAL NAZIS
>An alliance of faggots, jews, marxists, and liberals are the real Nazis

Are you fucking kidding me? Gas conservatives

So much for the "tolerant" left.

>>137776521

>>137761767
>>137767861
>>137767899

And the NSDAP was filled with faggots

>>137764379
National socialism is for your own people not the 3 world hordes biggest difference between national socialism and liberals. And clearly we don't like aspect of our own current system like kike corporations and banks ext that meme of the "hey democrats are the real nazi" is retarded is accepting national socialism is this evil caricature they call "nazi" when we should educate on what national socialism really is and its benefits.

>>137772279
I too remember when madame president campaigned under the banner of an ultra-nationalist white ethnostate free from Jewry.

>>137774812
>Federal assistance
Not its job

>protect Social security
Not it's job

>provide asylum for refugees
I support that

>minimum wage
No

>unemployment benefit
No

>labour laws
State issue

>equal pay for equal work
Yeah.

>>137777279
And they all got stabbed. With knives for once.

>>137776521
Another Dem with no concept of history or ideologies. Just because the people are different doesn't mean the tactics are.

STATE EDUCATION

>>137777279
>And the NSDAP was filled with faggots
>sez the nigger

>>137761767
Legible and grammatically correct... Can't possibly be ANTIFA

>>137761032
This cuck is shook
Get ready cuckboi you will be 110% destroyed with in the next 20 years maybe sooner if your thugs ramp it up a bit

>>137760177
Bump

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>>137760177

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>>137760177
Wew

>>137766055
How are they not? Everything is about race with the left

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>>137777968
Tactics are a tool. Violence has been a tool of every worldview and ideology since the dawn of man. War and violence is to men as motherhood is to women.

There is no legitimate equivalence between leftist scum and Fascists/NS.

The Left/Antifa aren't fascists in any way. WE ARE, and we will smash both leftists and "convervatives" who are only the leftists of a few decades ago.

>>137777565
some did, sure

>>137778498
I agree with this. call everyone who isn't a trump supporter thugs and terrorists. about 75% of the country .

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>>137778708
There is a stark difference, and you are either a total retard or a boomer if you don't see it.

The left obsesses over race because they believe in equality, but its easily observable it doesn't exist in reality. They deny race, gender, ethnicity, and all forms of truth. They are anti-white because they believe in equality but SEE inequality, so they choose to blame systems and social conditions rather than biology, science, and nature.

Fascists/NS are the exact OPPOSITE. We actually affirm the natural truth about race, ethnicity, gender, etc. Fascism embraces truth, while leftism inherently fights against it

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>>137762033
>implying Im not just a ardent student of history
From what you post, seems like you're a stormnigger. Authoritarian communist is an oxymoron, just like democratic socialist and the other wordplays socialists come up with to push their shit.

>>137779002
doesn't that line of argument sound familiar :^)

>>137778529
this

people who have no idea where the term comes from or who said they were members will soon join because they were told to do so

"so you be saying all the natzees are joining this new hip alt-right movement? shieeeet, I'm alt-right nao"

>>137765862
Thanks anon, fascinating.

>>137778781
>The Left/Antifa aren't fascists in any way
Look at the OP, this is a comparison between the DNC PLATFORM and NatSoc/Fascists...

Plus fuck you faggot LARPER I am no fascist.

>>137761393
rake

>>137779447
The platform of the NS/Fascists contain the exact opposite worldview the DNC holds. One holds truth (NS/Fascists) and one denies truth (DNC).

You are a faggot

>Democrats where the southern confederates
yeah but no. They actually became the modern right
>Democrats supported Hitler and the socialist workers union party
yeah but no. They actually became the modern right


Democrats do the wrong in this world. When they get caught they say actually that was republicans. We're something different now. Youd think that the democratic platform wouldnt exist being as how throughout history they changed into republicans right before doing the wrongs in history. Makes me wonder where they even come from

>>137760177

When Hitler and his government were trying to figure out how much Jewish blood made a Jew a Jew, they sought info from the southern Democrats.

The southern Democrats said "one drop of nigger blood, and it's a nigger".

That was too extreme for Hitler.

>>137779784
Southern Democrats=The right wing. That is a fucking fact of history. Institutions change, worldview does not

>>137779876
Left as fuck. KKK, left as fuck. Nazis, left as fuck. Commies, left as fuck. DNC, left as fuck.

>>137760675
>wictor
this guy popped outta nowhere in the last couple weeks
controlled op?

>>137777516
Fuck asylum

>>137779876
The fucking Dixiecrats were the Party of Slavery, of Segregation, of Jim Crow, of the KKK, etc.

You're ascribing their cherished beliefs to their enemies.

>>137774812
It's a jpg, it must be true!

>Be Republican
>8 Years to make some plans
>Have no plans
>Make fun of democrat plans to deflect attention

>>137774812
The meme, created by the group Occupy Democrats, summarized a few planks from the 1956 Republican Party platform, followed by the wistful comment, "Share if you miss the good old days!"

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>>137779921
>this is what American education looks like

National Socialists, Fascists, and even the KKK held to a worldview opposite from "leftists" and the modern DNC. Literally they would have gassed these leftist faggots to hell, and it looks like you would probably join them

>>137780072
Institutions change retard. What matters is you look at the worldview. Leftism, which embraces the false notions of equality, democracy, etc. are liberal notions held by scum like MLK and the anti-segregation niggers.

You are a leftist faggot. Eat shit

>>137779644
And you didn't read shit and obviously don't want to. You are fucking retarded.

>>137764773
>"100 nazi scalps" the Bottle Swinging Hairy Porn star did NOTHING

lol, okay, what the fuck is this nigger smoking?

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>>137780487
One side embraces the truth of race, nation, ethnicity, family, morality, etc.

The other side (DNC/leftists) deny all of these truths at their core. It's a pretty fucking big difference.

Cuckservatives literally need to kill themselves

>>137779743
always the argument of the left.
>no! democrats weren't democrats back then! i mean, I know they were democrats but they became republicans!
you're not fooling anyone, sweetheart. nice try rewriting history, though.

>>137780354
you can look up the actual platform
you'd never know it was the same party

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Bump

>>137780692
Looking solely at institutions and not at worldview isn't simply just rewriting history, it is being a dumbfuck for the sake of cucking

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>>137764379
This is a good move! We need to push the comparison more. The National Socialist will get mad but they are going to wreck everything we've done so far if we let them. National Socialism may work in Europe but it WILL NEVER win much support in the USA, and we need to do what wins.

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Have we started the fire?

>>137779743
School in 2030:
>Stalin was actually right-wing
>Socialism was right-wing too btw

>>137780406
fascists never called themselves far-right, but third way

>>137783838
True, but if they HAD to be placed, they would definitely have much more in common with what is considered "the right"

>>137785111
they're actually the radical center

The real far-right are traditional aristocratic monarchists, not modernist plebean revolutionaries, and the real fascists knew this very well, even though they took some ideas from the real reactionaries, while taking others from a bunch of different places.

Fascists, communists and liberals are just different sides of the same anti-traditional revolutionary cancer

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>>137760177

>>137786157
How about you don't use the fucking BLM flag

>>137787724
great quotes anon

More:
>We are living in an age of great radical change, as I have said before—an evolution from individualism to socialism, from self-interest to the public interest, from the ‘I’ to the ‘we.’

>Once the ruling power is in our grasp, we must seize the evil in Germany by the root and tear it out, to make way for true socialism, for the new faith, for the new religion.

>Public need before private greed.

>I have studied with great interest the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock. But the possibility of excess and error is still no proof of the incorrectness of these laws.

>What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish, we shall be in a position to achieve.

>There also exists a constructive international socialist idea. But it is altogether different. For, look here, once nations have begun to carry out a socialist and socio-economic reorganization within their own borders, the time is ripe for totality of nations—that is, all the peoples and states—to give up fighting each other for power and supremacy, enslavement and exploitation,…

>After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism.

>For we [National Socialists] too are considered ‘upstarts’ and ‘leftists’ by those same reactionaries. They are only too eager to apply such terms as ‘enemies of the fatherland,’ ‘Bolsheviks,’ and ‘inferiors.’”

And they were right!

>>137788764
>BLM flag
>american education

STOP IT YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

I'M THE REAL FASCIST

I AM THE REAL FUCKING FASCIST

>>137760177
National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party

Meme the truth. NAZISM is an Ultra Leftist ideology.

>>137788799
>The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history!

>>137765220
You guys are forgetting that we only saw nazism during wartime. War encourages more state control no matter what. The USA even had government boards take over crucial industries in WW2 that were shortly returned to the private sector afterwards. You cant say nazism was leftist so easily because we have only experienced wartime nazism

>>137790402
>. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory principle which the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what "very bad stage management" it had been to allow a party of British visitors to the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving "enemies of the state" at a local station. "Ridiculous to let you see them", said Webb, already an eminent admirer of the Soviet system. "The English are always so sentimental" adding, with assurance: "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs." A few years later, in 1935, a Social Democratic government in Sweden began a eugenic programme for the compulsory sterilisation of gypsies, the backward and the unfit, and continued it until after the war.

>The claim that Hitler cannot really have been a socialist because he advocated and practised genocide suggests a monumental failure, then, in the historical memory. Only socialists in that age advocated or practised genocide, at least in Europe, and from the first years of his political career Hitler was proudly aware of the fact. Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: "If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites - and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose." There was loud applause. Hitler went on: "How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?" The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler's right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd. The tradition, what is more, was unique.

>>137791631
>The first reactions to National Socialism outside Germany are now largely forgotten. They were highly confused, for the rise of fascism had caught the European left by surprise. There was nothing in Marxist scripture to predict it and must have seemed entirely natural to feel baffled. Where had it all come from? Harold Nicolson, a democratic socialist, and after 1935 a Member of the House of Commons, conscientiously studied a pile of pamphlets in his hotel room in Rome in January 1932 and decided judiciously that fascism (Italian-style) was a kind of militarised socialism; though it destroyed liberty, he concluded in his diary, "it is certainly a socialist experiment in that it destroys individuality". The Moscow view that fascism was the last phase of capitalism, though already proposed, was not yet widely heard. Richard remarked in a 1934 BBC talk that many students in Nazi Germany believed they were "digging the foundations of a new German socialism".

>By the outbreak of world war in 1939 the idea that Hitler was any sort of socialist was almost wholly dead. >in 1940, in The Lion and the Unicorn, Orwell saw the disaster as a "physical debunking of capitalism", it showed once and for all that "a planned economy is stronger than a planless one", though he was in no doubt that Hitler's victory was a tragedy for France and for mankind. The planned economy had long stood at the head of socialist demands; and National Socialism, Orwell argued, had taken from socialism "just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes". Hitler had already come close to socialising Germany. "Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state." These words were written just before Hitler's attack on the Soviet Union. Orwell believed that Hitler would go down in history as "the man who made the City of London laugh on the wrong side of its face" by forcing financiers to see that planning works and that an economic free-for-all does not.

>>137792108
>At its height, Hitler's appeal transcended party division. Shortly before they fell out in the summer of 1933, Hitler uttered sentiments in front of Otto Wagener, which were published after his death in 1971 as a biography by an unrepentant Nazi. Wagener's Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, composed in a British prisoner-of-war camp, did not appear until 1978 in the original German, and arrived in English, without much acclaim, as recently as 1985. Hitler's remembered talk offers a vision of a future that draws together many of the strands that once made utopian socialism irresistibly appealing to an age bred out of economic depression and cataclysmic wars; it mingles, as Victorian socialism had done before it, an intense economic radicalism with a romantic enthusiasm for a vanished age before capitalism had degraded heroism into sordid greed and threatened the traditional institutions of the family and the tribe.

>As for communists, he opposed them because they created mere herds, Soviet-style, without individual life, and his own ideal was "the socialism of nations" rather than the international socialism of Marx and Lenin. The one and only problem of the age, he told Wagener, was to liberate labour and replace the rule of capital over labour with the rule of labour over capital.

>These are highly socialist sentiments, and if Wagener reports his master faithfully they leave no doubt about the conclusion: that Hitler was an unorthodox Marxist who knew his sources and knew just how unorthodox the way in which he handled them was. He was a dissident socialist. His programme was at once nostalgic and radical. It proposed to accomplish something that Christians had failed to act on and that communists before him had attempted and bungled. "What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish," he told Wagener, "we shall be in a position to achieve."

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>>137793333
>That was the National Socialist vision. It was seductive, at once traditional and new. Like all so- cialist views it was ultimately moral, and its economic and racial policies were seen as founded on universal moral laws. By the time such conversations saw the light of print, regrettably, the world had put such matters far behind it, and it was less than ever ready to listen to the sayings of a crank or a clown.

That is a pity. The crank, after all, had once offered a vision of the future that had made a Victorian doctrine of history look exciting to millions. Now that socialism is a discarded idea, such excitement is no doubt hard to recapture. To relive it again, in imagination, one might look at an entry in Goebbels's diaries. On 16 June 1941, five days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. There would be no restoration of the tsars, he remarked to himself, after Russia had been conquered. But Jewish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and "real socialism" planted in its place - "Der echte Sozialismus". Goebbels was a liar, to be sure, but no one can explain why he would lie to his diaries. And to the end of his days he believed that socialism was what National Socialism was about.

>>137760177
There's no denying this so they'll just call you a nazi and then ask why you are defending nazis when you open your mouth to respond.