So what's the difference

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His new video

https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=Fntc6ixzJw8

One of the differences is marxists try to erase a groups culture, while nazis try to propagate it. They're both statist scum who should be removed though

>>137730404
Why don't you like statism?
Serious question

>>137730094
NatSoc is Fake-Right, to the left of the current Democratic party even.

>>137730833
Explain

>>137730094
I hope a NS and a Communist can come in and answer to this.

>>137730094
Commies use muh class and Nazis muh aryan

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Unlike the people here (ohh so tough, hide away) I have conviction in my words and make videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36c-rzgUZc

>>137730094
>>137730094
only slight difference he is not wrong they share the same values just different logos predominantly.

>>137731448
Could you answer any of these people?
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>>137730833
>>137730404

>>137730094
He also said America's big government is proof that Fascism is bad.

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>>137731620
case in point : National socialism promotes family values THEN takes the children away to be wards of the state.

Communism just does it far earlier they take babies.

>>137731722
Mussolini's Italy is nothing like modern day America.
That's why I'm skeptical of what he says.
The outcome of Leftist Ideologies and Right(wing) Ideologies are completely different even if they supposedly (Socialist in this instance) have the same roots/beginnings.

>>137730766
Why do you like submitting to your masters so much?
Serious question?

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They both are eugenicist doctrines promoted by the same group of people namely Soros and the Rothschilds, That whole clique they are the same group of people pulling the strongs of the left and the right.

#arrestsoros.

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Take Pyramids for example, Their shadowy group is very much active now more than ever than a Cartoon frog opposes them it should be visible to everyone.

>>137731628
They are not the same thing. Race collectivism is nature and evolutionary. It can't be shaped or molded.

Class collectivism isn't nature and can be shaped and changed. A can change to B. In National Socialism this is not possible.

National Socialism doesn't have classes either, it gives you the ability to rise above others through hard work to attain wealth but you are not moved into another class as every one of your race is a brother/sister and that bond exists.

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Perfect Example : It is not the Jews that you should be concerned over it is the Jews Master's their captors they are a slave people as I type this and do not know it.

>>137731750
You have the same mechanisms in the west, summer camps, scouts, boarding schools et cetera.

>>137732021
So thats why the Term Mein Fuhrer and OverMan and such terms exist.

They expanded The Class System.

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>>137732149
yes our enemies are indeed internationals but we need to know who they are, "The Jews" is a copout better to say "The Jewish Mafia"

Pharisees consider Rabbis Goyim just fyi.

>>137731892
"We must subordinate our appetites, our passions and our egoism to the wholeness of the National interest. This way we will be a really free people, otherwise anarchy and indiscipline will reign over us under the false mask of freedom"'
- Ioannis Metaxas

Just a guide

>>137731897
Soros wasn't around back then, don't say stupid shit.
Takes away from actual discussion.
>>137731996
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>>137732021
>Race collectivism is nature and evolutionary. It can't be shaped or molded.
You make a good point... But why does it need to be N.S.? Why can't it be Democracy and ethnonationalism?

NatSoc isn't Marxist.

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You can sometimes hear them reffered to as "The Family"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2WQnjK22ko

Molyneux? The guy who has never mentioned (((them))) once. Ahhh yes his opinion is right

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>>137732413
He was actively helping round up people...

>>137732413
#2 you are just a bit stupid.

>>137732252
>They expanded The Class System.

The term leader has nothing to do with class and the germans set up trips, such as boating and abolished 1st class, 2class etc. places on them. Go away, ignorant Jew.

>>137730094
White Nationalism IS pan-european multiculturalism.
European Union by any other name... and the Far-Right will swallow it.

>>137732614
They went from 3 classes to 5+

Fuhrer was a seperate job atleast study this shit before shooting your load.

>>137730094
>So is there really any difference?
Yes.
Marxism is good in-itself according to the theory.
National Socialism is only good if it serves the people, it's not good-in-itself.
That difference is PARAMOUNT.
You see, in Marxist societies, its one class against the oppressors, anyone who shows themselves to be of higher class needs to be done away with, and that's good in-it-self. Killing people for Marxism is not only needed, it's encouraged.
Killing someone for National Socialism would undermine the concept in-of-itself, for how could a system of Government serve the people if it must kill the people in order to serve it? It's not National Socialism that's inherently good, it's the people.
Our Libertarian friend up there forgot to mention this of course.

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fuhrer = / = chancellor stupid.

>>137732774
>unironically liking a man that sent child soldiers to fight tanks and bombers.

>>137732413
>Soros wasn't around back then, don't say stupid shit.
And why would anyone take anything you say seriously at this point? He openly admits that snitching on other jews truly made him the man he is today and he didn't/doesn't feel bad about it.

>>137732689
white nationalism is retarded
ethno-nationalism is based

>>137732133
That meme should have mecca

>>137732774
Congratulations on turning 16.

Your political theories are fucking stupid.

national socialism values life above all else so lets murder my political opponents and force sterilize undesirable non jewish elements from society.

Hitler was so far into Zionism he was working with the Catholic Church an even more jewish organization than the Supreme Court of Israel.

>>137732413
>But why does it need to be N.S.? Why can't it be Democracy and ethnonationalism?

Democracy leads to corruption and bribery (implement this and i'll pay you this) and promises of things for votes to attain power. An overall leader and part of the racial tribe operates as the head of the house; the father figure and is (in theory) beyond the i'lls that face democratic leaders.

It essentially is ethnonationalism but with extras to benefit the people and nation (no outsourcing of jobs as this does not benefit the people) but the ability to set up your own business but with fellow country men employed at a fair rate which can still make the business owner rich and it benefits the people.

Versus a fat capitalist who employs foreign workers and pays them next to nothing, gets super rich beyond need and the local people have no work.

>>137733005
The point is to not include it to let stupid people make the connection so their brain creates new pathways.

>>137730094
I think the video has been taken down, but I once saw a YouTube video that explained it pretty well.

The main idea was that, of the ww2 era ideologies, national socialism = national socialism, communism = international socialism, and democracy = universal socialism (i.e. standardizing human rights and showering 3rd world countries in gibs)

Bernie Sanders, with his hands off approach to foreign policy and self proclaimed interest in helping the American working class, was a national socialist by that definition. I'm fine with that.

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>Molycultleader releases new jew propaganda video conflating Marxism and Nazism
>Suddenly /pol/ is flooded with cringy ancap teens calling natsoc marxist and spouting forced helicopter memes

Really makes me think

>>137730404
The idea that the state is artificial and inherently evil is an erroneous liberal tenet. States are as natural and as necessary to a community as a father and mother are to a family. You literally cannot have a nation without a formal government to ensure its best interests.

>>137733287
to assist your point look how much Adolf Hitler gave in weapons and money to Arab nations.

>>137733394
Don't forget this was at the same time they where demanding to invade the west.

If you think Hitler represents the west you are sorely mistaken dudes a big part of the replacement plan wiping out that many germans.

>>137732980
>we'll all just stay in our little corner of the universe and mind our own business

The logical extension of ethno-nationalism is anarcho-capitalism

>>137732713
Class in communism and capitalism = by wealth.

Class is in NS is racial, putting the people of the land on top and first. They are separate things.

All ethnic Germans in NS couldn't say "I earn more than you, you are below me and low class.. scum"

[EvZRsRfm]
You're a wack job and ruining the discussion.

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>>137733497
>The logical extension of ethno-nationalism is anarcho-capitalism

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>>137733105
FUCK OFF JEW SHILL

>>137733600
oh that is why he promoted inernational marxists to positions in the SS right ?

You know what the Jews call National Socialists?

Fish In Barrel

>>137733711
refute or don't bother.
>>137733655
refute, stop posting meme pictures as an argument.

>>137733655
Prove me wrong. Does the insistence on group-right to self-determination not extend to locales, and ultimately families and individuals?

>>137733817
>oh that is why he promoted inernational marxists to positions in the SS right ?
Proof?
Last chance I give you to put some merit to your name, if not i'm done with you.

>>137733822
Saying x is a logical extension of completely unrelated y is not an argument, so I needn't refute it.

Yet another teen trying to emulate Molycult "debate" tactics

>>137733879
anarcho-capitalism = feudalism
look how that turned out.

>>137732913
>>unironically liking a man that sent child soldiers to fight tanks and bombers.
>yes, and FYI, I don't do anything ironically on purpose, that's just retarded

>>137734042
I made a thread in good faith because I honestly didn't know what the difference was.
Secondly saying that you don't have an argument is not strictly a molymeme phrase.

>>137734090
>Stefan Molyneux is essentially a feudalist because I say it will happen

I'm still waiting for an argument.

>>137734042
Saying that if you picked ethno-nationalism - you picked half-assed position IS an argument against your stated goal.

>>137733817
Having an elevated position that people respect isn't capitalistic class. It's nature that some rise higher than others based on merit, intellect and strength. It is an ideal (like greek/roman statues)


The other option is a nation of absolute peasants/zombies who are 100% forcibly the same even if nature goes against it. A nation of people with an iq of 60 and an iq of 160 both growing potatoes.

That's communism. You are just a communist advocate.

>>137730949
There's nothing to explain, hes just a faggot, fascism blows up the left-right paradigm and is more accurately described and compared on a different model that is based on communitarianism v individualism and traditionalist v progressive. Especially since there is debatably no explicit economic policy for fascism.

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>>137733907
https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Skurnik

>Is the Major contributor to the nation of Israel
>Not helping Jews
>>137734094
figures you wouldn't understand what comedy even is you boring sap.

>>137731897
Kill yourself

>>137734294
> Does the insistence on group-right to self-determination not extend to locales, and ultimately families and individuals
I wonder how the jurisdictions will happen

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>>137734304
>Doesn't know about "Hitler Youth"

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>>137734498
I tried it doesn't fucking work mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqPMxWhQZw

>>137730094
I don't see Marxists improving their people other than by stealing through taxation of those who actually work and live honest lives; they are a criminal group

>>137730094
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't ask a libertarian ancap fetishist like Molyneux to answer that question.
Some things are just better taken from their source.

>>137730833
People keep getting left/right and authoritarian/libertarian confused. Nazi's and Marxists are both authoritarian collectivists.

>>137730094
Marxism demands the means of production are owned collectively. Nazism does not. Marxism is against economic hierarchy. Nazism is not. Marxism does not base anything on race. Nazism demands racial uniformity, or at least hierarchy. etc. etc.

Molymeme is just finding some strand of similarity that fits what he's most interested in ("individualism" vs "collectivism") and saying they share such a strand so there's no difference. But this is stupid. It's like saying people have legs and iguanas have legs, therefore there's no difference.

Also, not sure what he means exactly by Democratic Socialists. If he means social democracy like the Nordic countries or Bernie Sanders, then these are very different again than either Marxism or Nazism.

>>137734600
And so is Hitler and the Muslims all 3 groups are thieving murderers with absolutely no merit or compunction to actually advance society they are progressives.

The Hint is in the name SOCIALIST

>>137734597
Try sleeping.
Millions of people die sleeping.

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>>137734831
No It is because the advancements I did to my body.

Where are the Nazi flags and Bolshi flags when you need an answer?

>>137734520
Do they not have right to limit import from the rest of the countries or override their rules, if they so wish? And if not, on what moral basis do you prevent them?

>>137733879
Ancaps pride themselves on advocacy of capitalism being "survival of the fittest", conveniently neglecting to realise that government won out in the "free market" of anarchism, as demonstrated by its very existence. By calling for the abolition of government in favour of smaller interest groups you are asking for the natural evolution of governance to be set back a thousand years or so so that it can play out all over again - history has shown that small interest groups, down to the level of individuals - do NOT survive and come to be conquered by superior nation-states. Superior tribes conquered the land and property of lesser tribes That is why anarcho capitalism is in fact thoroughly opposed to the natural order, and is an even greater threat to the survival of the white race than many western governments - and I haven't even mentioned the flaws in your particular definition of "property rights" and even worse your insistence on the NAP as a naturally-derived objective moral code.

>>137730094
>ONE DOLLAR
https://youtu.be/8CM_--di7L8

>>137734766
He probably refers to the globalist sockpuppets who created the term "social democracy" after it was discovered Stalin was a top cunt with the high score in genocide up to that point.
We've got a party like that here, they're allegedly less socialist than the actual Socialist Party but unlike the Socialist Party, they want LGBT education in preschool, more refugees and more immigrants right now don't even stop the flow keep it coming yeah baby.
It's bizarre.

>>137735634
That is the argument from nature. Which I will accept.

And on it's basis, since you invoked it, I will postulate that it is in nature of some races to reign supreme. Thus, ethno-nationalism, as it is usually understood - is a fallacy.

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Moly is usually right

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>>137735319
>muh everything is collectivism vs individualism dialectic
>t. babby employing his first political tropes he got from youtube

Libertarians and Liberals both preach individualism (everyone is a special unique snowflake). Does that mean they are the same?

A fucking 2 axis political compass is more advanced than you.

>>137736185
youre right friend but we have to get there first. one of the ethonstates will eventually conquer earth just like stellaris but broseph thats a long time from now.

>>137730094
Nasocs actually expect people to work. That's about it.

>>137737846
Dont forget the bit where unemployment was illegal in the Soviet Union, currently in Venezuela and Cuba as well.

>>137734401
>figures you wouldn't understand what comedy even is you boring sap.
>"comedy"

>>137732802
T.finn bolshevik

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>>137733378

Hierarchy is natural. Not every states reflects natural hierarchy. The Kings had a better claim to natural order then communist states.

>>137734766
Was waiting for this .thanks

>>137736443
>Liberals both preach individualism

That is until they fall too far into commieland. Then it's

>'everyone is selfish and lazy.
>They should be put in a work camp until they'll pay for my gender reassignment surgery.

>>137739147
They also taxed the populace less. Which is the real reason they lost to collectivist movements.

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>>137740714
>>137741267
Vox Day?

>>137741714
yeh hes a smart guy

>>137741714
http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/search/label/%23AltRight

these are all his posts on the alt-right

>>137730094
the underlying philosophy between nazism and communism is exactly the same

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>>137742266
...are you serious? I can't even. Shill, or retard? It's impossible to tell anymore.

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>>137730094
I don't have much problem with national socialism in general. I just don't like the idea of some grand poobah trying to order me around. I don't like bootlicking and I don't like the leader principle. If you have a good person leading then things can be mostly fine but as soon as some dickhead gains control, and they will, you're fucked. NS Germany was already showing signs of massive corruption by the likes of fat boy Herman Goering before the war. Don't even try to deny it.

Now as for Stef, he's just being a coward and covering his own ass by putting distance between himself and the folks being roasted by the establishment. Maybe that's a good thing and maybe it isn't but that's what it is. He's still sympathetic and knows you guys are right on a lot of things. I can tell as much from his shitty little video. He's 100% right though about people like Spencer being socialist authoritarian shit heads.

>>137740714
>>137741267

Vox Day's whole argument is BS. According to him, if being "Right" is virtue then Stefan Molyneux is the ultimate Right Wing person.

Vox Day himself is as right-wing as Sargon of Akkad, according to his own metric.

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>>137743388
i didnt come here to read your confident stupidity you grub

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>>137743582

>>137743582
I'm still waiting for the counter-argument.

>>137730094
national socialism is based on
>ancient spartan classless society
>ancient spartan racial purity
>ancient spartan isolated economics
>book about germanic peoples written by tacitus
>writings of julius ceasar about germanic peoples

communism is based on
>oy vey needs muh free wellfure cuz working is too hard for me

From a purely philosophical position in which the starting position is that all races are all equal, absolute anarchy is ultimately the best worldwide system. Let people form their own groups and aggressively self-defend against anyone who would choose to attack. Point out that this might result in absolute devastation for some groups of people who refuse to behave, the reasonable libertarian gets upset. No, we must be as peaceful as possible and not act in self-defense until we have tried to reason with those who refuse to be reasonable. It just won't work. These groups must be brutalized at any sign of violence. Once they have been brutalized and ostracized, offer your hand out in forgiveness. But never turn your back to them. They are out there, plotting the demise of civilization. If they try to take over again, they must be brutalized again. Offer your hand again. This is the cycle of humanity.

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>>137743808
>I'm still waiting for the counter-argument.

>>137745499
>I'll I'm left with are memes
Christianity is the explicit cause of Vox Day's position on this.

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>>137746529
more stuff about muh nazis muh jews muh altright

>>137730094
Both Acting as a group? Really stefan?

Sad.

>>137730094
He is right about that, I've went through the media articles at the time when Hitler took over Austria and he was greeted with open arms by the SPÖ, the Austrian Socialist party which still exists to this day.
He was also loved by the leftist intelligentsia and artists, actors, writers and such.
On the other hand the only clashes where between the Austrian right wing parties and the Nazis.
They even killed the right wing chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss of Austria in 1934 in a failed first attempt to take over Austria.
It is very clear from both Hitlers policies, his statements and his history (he was active in Viennese Communist circles when he was younger) that he in fact was a Socialist.

You can call out the jews for what they are without becoming a Socialist, you can call out our replacement by brown and black people without falling for Collectivism that will eventually enslave all of us.