society is doomed unless we start modeling it after star trek

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Step aside, nerd. Best captain coming through.

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>>137726787
Fucking pussy space commies in pajamas. I will model my space society on Babylon 5.

>>137726787
>Modelling after commies.
Full retard.

Star trek isn't a society you can model after unless you make resources infinite. Come back when you have found a solution and we can talk. Until then the world could never be like star trek.

>>137726787
As much as I love Star Trek, I can surely tell you a few major flaws with living in such an universe.

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>>137727141
Also this (solution is pic).

>>137727141
Don't forget that not everyone has access to replicators in the Star Trek universe...

>>137727311
Why not though? Why not replicate the replicators?

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>>137727141
roughly 50 percent of all produce in the United States is thrown away—some 60 million tons (or $160 billion) worth of produce annually, an amount constituting “one third of all foodstuffs.” Wasted food is also the single biggest occupant in American landfills. it's not a question of resources, but rather management

>>137727311
The only solution to commy starvation is replicators which is a technology that hasn't really been explored.
>mah 3d printing
3d printing plastic figurines or large figurines that look like houses is a long way off from printing steak.

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>>137727400
numerically speaking there's no way that could ever go wrong.

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>>137727502
how about pizza then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxr3boyIus&t=2s

>>137727400
doesn't that mean the machines are gay?

>>137726787
>we'll have replicators and warp drive soon enough
oh well then when that time comes it will happen. no need to worry as it is SOON ENOUGH

>>137727612
Lmao that's not the same thing. an actual replicator uses the base molecules to construct food and spare parts.
I'm pretty sure that's just dough going through some tubes and needs to be restocked. Hence the material required to create that still comes from an actual food product (wheat).
Therefore still requires space to grow. missing that vital technology that creates food from collected molecules.

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>>137726787
yes a society based on the cardassian union would be a good idea. Now how many lights do you see?

>>137726787
No. A global tyrannical oligarchy that runs itself like an even more bureaucratic version of an Orwellian society is not what we need. If you do that you will get something more like the Halo universe with insurrection and separatists at war with the Federation.

>>137727420

You guys should start building houses by the land fill so people can live where the food is then.

>>137726787
you're absolutely right
So when's WW3 going to start?
How bout dem Eugenics wars?
600 million dead?

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>>137727900
my point is that we are closer to replicators than ever. if we can print a pizza, then how far are we away from replicating that delicious bologna sandwich? or the mayonnaise to top it?

>>137727900

Im pretty sure the replicators don't need wheat to create food with wheat in it. It uses base molecular shit to create whatever. It needs something to create from. Probably carbon atoms. But it doesnt require wheat.

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>>137728156
that actually makes sense.

>>137728262
Retard, assembling something is one thing. Creating it from a base material or energy is something else. Good luck with that.

>>137728262
Yeah but can we 3d print wheat?
I agree it's a cool thing and it should be developed, but I'm being a pessimist because it's wrong to assume that it IS the answer. We simply don't know.

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>>137728616
i believe we can figure it out. mankind has done the impossible countless times.

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>>137728533

>>137726787
Eugenics war when?
(we'll get to star trek through capitalism, you can't force the communist """utopia""""

>>137728781
Yeah that's blind optimism.
There is no reason to assume that we can make food or spare parts from "energy" or "matter".
We do know we can melt down materials to create other materials (made of the same material). But it's not the same thing as assembling a food item from its basic elements (such as carbon as must organic material is mostly carbon).

We need Vulcan First Contact first

>>137726787
>unless we create a unified, one world government
True. Trump is the only qualified person in the world for that job. Lets do it.

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>>137729069
a technomeritocracy is not communism.

>>137729140
of course we can move electrons to other atoms to create others. it's called a nuclear explosion

>>137726787
Don't hate; accelerate.

Authoritarian non-democratic state capitalism is the future until we can achieve post-scarcity and transcend the material foundations of economics. The only other option is mob-rule and genetic decay.

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>>137729140
perhaps it is blind optimism but the chinese have figured out how to make fake eggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvEBN8Jd5DE

>>137729270
it's probably worse

>>137729270
Tuvok is the worst Vulcan

>>137726787
>most qualified person to lead us is justin trudeau. his commitment to advancing humanity speaks for itself
holy shit what a faggot

>>137726787
>USS Enterprise

;)

>>137729346
I don't think you want your replicator to cause a nuclear explosion.

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>>137726787
Star Trek is for faggots. We should model society according to the Galactic Empire.

>>137726787
>We can't survive unless we model ourselves off a fictional utopia that hand waves away thousands of years of human evolution and social structure.

Hrmm.....sounds like a familiar libtard idea. (Communism) Things will be great! Free shit! No Money! everyone will work because of the love of humanity! Yayayayay!

>>137726787
Unified under socialism? Never!

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>>137729854
the idea is that you wouldn't have to work if you didn't want to, not a state mandated job like communism dictates.

>>137729837

Do we all get faggy plastic costumes?

>>137726787
Star Trek had all humans getting along because a plot where they didn't would get in the way of telling stories about aliens. It's done for plot specific reasons, not some moral posturing.
Modeling life after fictitious versions of it doesn't lead to good results.

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>>137730195
can you imagine hating your neighbor because his descendants came from ireland and yours from germany? it used to happen. removing preconceived notions about fellow humans will happen one way or another

ITT: What brainlets actually believe after watching sci-fi.

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>>137730561
your noble leader would entirely disagree

>>137730924
>your noble leader
I prefer a world in which we elect representatives instead of leaders. Your infantile leftist mind, adverse to personal responsibility, will never understand this fact. Everything is cult of personality to you retards.

>>137730535
>can you imagine hating your neighbor because his descendants came from ireland and yours from germany?
yes
>emoving preconceived notions about fellow humans will happen one way or another
good luck in your quest to save man from 250, 000 years of natural selection that made him like this, your psuedointellectual rhetoric should do just fine against that

As far as replicators and warp drive goes, just because it's mathematically possible doesn't mean it's a practical possibility. They're both actually mathematical absurdities. Nor has the exotic matter required to make warp drive work ever been observed.

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>>137726787
Trudeau? The receptionist in Chief?

>>137727420
You realize that most fresh food stuff goes bad within three to five days. That's not enough time to ship it to where it's needed most in the world where there aren't borders and checkpoints and warlords holding it hostage for monetary gibs or tribute.

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The next industrial revolution will render both energy and goods so cheap that it will be virtually free. Many services and industries will be taken over by automation, forcing large segments of the population into unemployment. Sophisticated water reclamation, improved food production and better transportation will improve societies all over the world.

The unceasing spread of digital information will further empower the masses, leading to the downfall of the most corrupt regimes. The policies of countries will more closely resemble each other as international law becomes more codified and universally enforced, leading to a true socio-capitalist world government. Economies will move past exploitative multinational corporations, creating a global standard for economic practices. Universal income will become an economic necessity, keeping consumers and producers in a stable cycle of supply, demand and service.

Space exploration will enter a golden age of colonization. With an exponentially growing population, humans will begin settling space to offset the burden on Earth. Space settlement will create a new frontier, creating endless amounts of jobs by supplying space inhabitants with goods from Earth and vice versa.

From there, society will be on track to a Star Trek-like utopia. Replicators, FTL travel and transporters aren't necessary to create this sort of world. With the steady march of science and technology, the technologies we already have in place today will develop into the tools needed for the next industrial revolution so long as society continually moves forward socially and politically.

We were born too late to explore the Earth and too early to explore the stars, but it is up to us to make sure that someone can explore those stars someday.

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>>137731058
do we not elect representatives for their leadership qualities? i'm not adverse to personal responsibility. i would happily help build starships all day for free. knowing that i am helping advance humanity would be payment enough

Honest question for the antiracists:
How are we supposed to do away with racism when we're constantly expanding what it means to be racist?
Stopping lynchings in the streets, we can do that, if that's what you mean by stopping racism, I'm on board.
But stopping someone from enjoying a taco when they're not Mexican because you decided last week that taco eating by non-mexicans is cultural appropriation and by extension, racist, well that may be harder to achieve.

>>137730160
Hehehe

>>137731721
A society that follows the path of people like you, who use government to force the strong and innovative to feed the weak and feeble, will never build starships.

>>137731745
Silly Nazi, racism ends when all hwite people are dead

>The replicator only make watermelon and fried chicken
>All the copper in the warp coils go missing
>The computer only plays gangster rap

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>>137731745
i'm not expanding on the definition of racism and i'm certain you aren't either. the extreme left are not helping advance humanity anymore than the extreme right are. neither will have a place in the new world order

>>137732170
>muh centrism

>>137726787
Star Trek is for fags. The only cool part was Kirk going to alien planets and banging green chicks.

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>>137731942
are you sure?

>>137732405
>The space shuttle looks like what I expect a space ship to look like which makes it a space ship and not just an overly elaborate orbital platform.

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>>137731680
that is the kind of optimism humanity needs. we will soon meet the vulcans

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>>137726787
>>137726787
>society is doomed unless we start modeling it after star trek
society is doomed unless we start modeling women after seven of nine

we need to start modelling it after d u n e

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>>137732655
it was a ship that flew in space. also known as a space ship

>>137726787
Star trek is a piece of worthless crap.
Even early batman has some value for being funny. And that is some kind of poor man`s nerdship. Mentally poor.

>>137731625
This. Other countries need to think about creating a self sustaining model than expecting the United States to be a global welfare provider.

WW3 is good, humans are the plague of Earth.

>>137726787
Get the fuck out of here Star Trek faggot
>Not modeling it after Star Wars
I just want to see Mace Dindu saying "WE WUZ JEDIS N SHEIT" just give me that.

...I'm currently working on Jedi powers. So far I've learned we may be able to create possessed objects. So basically it will be Star Wars with wizards instead of Jedi.

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>>137726787
We live a time of predominantly adult babies that have concern for "sorting themselves out" or even becoming true adults. They say "politics are for my dad" and play PlayStation like we're still kids and should remain that way forever.

How are you going to convince people to go through with Picard's speech from "First Contact" about valuing self-improvement over money? So much so that money is outright ABOLISHED? With the stupid Martin Shkreli / Ayn Rand motherfuckers on this board alone laughing at you for not being selfish and treating Earth like Hell?

How are you going to convince the average fat, lethargic, constantly self-comforting adult baby that they should value the advancement of all human kind over trying to buy happiness? You'll get a bunch of cynical dog shit from people that comes from this completely unfounded authority about how life sucks and deal and this is it so stop aspiring for anything greater since nobility is a myth for folk heroes. Like Picard, apparently.

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>>137726787
Space communism and pajamas? No thank you.

Give me Terran Empire or Cardassian Union as a future for humanity.

>>137726787
star trek is pretty communist / socialist people.

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>>137733530
>How are you going to convince the average fat, lethargic, constantly self-comforting adult baby that they should value the advancement of all human kind over trying to buy happiness?

you wont. they would live a life of obscurity and mediocrity in a merit based society, never experiencing the true value of a life of meaning and adventure

>>137726787

Can't work

Star Trek thinks all races are the same, so they all act like good white men

Reality is different

>>137733530
How do you make collective of people, whose main value is self-improvement?

You would end with a group of the worst people, that are motivated by their wish to dominate others "less self-improved" individuals.

>>137726787

Sure dude.

All you have to do is come up with a form of energy-generation, which makes energy at every level free.

Y'know. Matter-Antimatter reactors.

>>137733675
not wanting to emulate the based klingons

>>137734011
> muh adventure
What kind of adventure is this, if it`s comfortable? If even the fattest slob can do that, by just not wishing to not do it, then it wont be an adventure in the first place.

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>>137734305
is matter-antimatter reactors so far fetched? what if you showed a playstation 4 to a roman soldier, or a space shuttle to ghengis kahn? what would their reactions be?

>unified, one world government
What are they doing to undermine the nationalism outside of the West? Nothing. Multiculturalism in the West just erases whites, but I don't see much unity going on otherwise.

>>137734684
space shuttle reaction:
> too expensive for the fruits of it
ps4 reaction:
> ghengis > how does it starcraftu?
> roman solider > circus dignus

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>>137734935
the world by definition is multicultural and unified earth doesn't need borders

>>137735670

The problem is that everyone behaves like good white people.

It's fantasy.

>>137735670
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If there's multiculturalism there's borders too.

>>137726787
Trek was cultural Marxist propaganda dumbshit.

May as well watch communist propaganda.

>>137726934
>best
>black space cowboy

nope

>>137726787
>Not having every person white
It literally wouldn't work unless it was like that possibly all Japs though

The next step for humanity is to develop A.I. to govern us. If it thinks of us as unfit to live due to our flawed nature then so be it.

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>>137736177
not to govern but assist. imagine having thousands of Data's to help us look for aliens and stuff. we are very close to having fully functional, sentient artificial lifeforms

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It's like you never even watched the show OP?

All the Shiny Happy People crap came undone when the black ops dept of the Federation was revealled to be propping the whole shitshow up with secret wars and genocide. They thought nothing of trading entire sub-systems of colonies for tactical and resource advantages, hence DS9 and half the crew on Voyager.

There was a devastating World War in which entire nations perished, namely most of Africa and Asia, an ethnic cleansing of low IQ useless eaters. Even at the height of its glory the Federation had Camp of the Saints style Gimmies encircling the big clean automated cities. They were literally called "Gimmies" on the show. So much for post-scarsity for all.

The crews were for the most part single and childless, apart for the hipster race mixing couples. Their offspring hated themselves so much they became Kliggers, wannabe Klingons, as they had no culture or tradtions of their own. Oh, they were cute as babies, but by the time they hit their teens they were a mess.

It's a very clever TV show, and excellent science fiction. It peels back the assumptions about Utopia and exposes the flaws and the cracks that prevent it from ever gelling properly. Sure, you have to wade through some PC shit to get there, but ultimately Wesley Crusher's conclusion is correct: they are fascists and Imperialists, hiding behind a thin veneer of respectability.

>>137729486

Come back when they create real eggs. I need a real dinner not a fake one.

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>>137727141

>implying we dont alrady live in a post scarcity world.

Every person on earth could be housed and fed multiple times over right now but I still wouldn't ever back a single world government unless there were other planetary states to move to.

Nobody agrees on anything in this world and if there is only one government if you dont like it you are fucked because you would have nowhere else to go.

Also a single goverment would be easier for a dictator to take over everything all at once.

This also applies to states rights in the U.S. It's better to be able to move to a state that is more aligned with your personal views.

>>137733037

Flew is a stretch. If the science NASA says exist then it slingshotted itself around the allegedly round earth. It doesn't fly around in space no.

>>137737428

Oh and actually if we use your lousy definition then you are a spaceship as well since we "technically" fly around in space the same way that NASA thing did.

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>>137726787

>>137736925
alright, fair enough but earth was still a paradise. the gimmies existed during the bell riots in 2024, well before the formation of the federation.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bell_Riots

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>>137728262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHBAdShgYI
n-joy

>>137737428
I'm confused, are you denying that NASA every flew into space?

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A lot of you have fatal misconceptions about the world Gene Roddenberry was portraying. In Star Trek
>they did not have infinite energy
>there were no infinite resources
>it was not communist

Energy was derived from a variety of sources, such as stars. It was not infinite, but incredibly abundant due to their efficient technology.
Replicators require base materials in order to create objects and are energy intensive. Additionally, they were limited as to what they could actually create.
Finally, Star Trek is certainly not communist. The state does not control production, there is private ownership, there is no single party and the media is not state owned.

The Federation of Star Trek is a social democracy at its height. Roddenberry deliberately mirrored with America and the Roman Republic, while also portraying alien cultures similarly to the Roman Empire, USSR, etc. to show the pitfalls of opposing forms of government and culture compared to the Federation's utopia.

>>137738031
I'd love to live in Star Trek. It promises a neverending Expansion Phase for the empire of humanity.

It's predicated on two things: almost infinite energy production at room size, and almost 100% efficient chemistry, the ability to blitz atoms in junk apart and reform them to make useful and as often edible things. Both are depicted on the show as being possible for the individual, although neither were very often seen to be deployed by just one person. They were the Property Of The State, even in the furthest reaches of space. You obeyed or you went without, reduced to a peasant, stranded on a dusty rock. Technology as enslavement. We never saw a Free Space Bar, for instance, possinly the first thing that would have been established.

In fact they barely had alcohol, and had to do that sneaky navy thing when you host the other guys so they can bring a bottle. Drugs were referenced maybe twice? Come on, they're be dedicated replicators pumping out cocaine, thats a purely organic molecule.

It would be nice to live in an IQ equal world, yes. Where everyone is respected because of their contributions. Where nobody shirks or gets smacked up because hedonism is less appealing than service, than what you are all striving towards. As an aspiration, Star Trek at face value is great. Yet even in the show they acknowledge Section 31 gets shit done, is entirely necessary, and in fact there wouldn't be a Federation without it.

>>137734061
If you can act like a good white man on screen this means that you can do it in real life too.

Acting...
Act...

Make the connection you imbecile.

P.S. the European Union will lead us to Star Trek.It was the first step.

>>137736925
>Their offspring hated themselves so much they became Kliggers, wannabe Klingons, as they had no culture or tradtions of their own. Oh, they were cute as babies, but by the time they hit their teens they were a mess.

Didn't the one kid become literally god though?

>>137731625
i guess the food could be dehydrated, the pineapple/strawberries in mre's weren't so bad. of course we do need clean water. but in the ponzi banking scheme we all live in, (((they))) need control of the resources. we are giving millions every single day to israel. does it look like (((they))) need it? (((their))) "state" was built with the help and co-op of natsoc Germany. why doesn't anyone ever talk about that? (((they))) are the problem. making money on wars, misery, sickness, disease gov't contractors, everything. (((they))) and the gov'ts (((they))) control are the problem. how did Germany do so well from 33-45? because (((they))) had no influence in the nation anymore. no, it's white working class Christian hetero males that built the entire West? get rid of (((them)))and there will be plenty for everyone! just to be clear, im talking about the vampire squid rat faced fake JEWS. Yahweh in the flesh said so and they killed Him for it: Revelations 2:9, John 8:44 and 47. The Creator of the Universe told us what (((they)) are. Even in the old testament (or torah) says "iwill make you a nation and all nations will be blessed through you". This is Yahweh's promise to Abraham. Does it look like these vampires who lie, deceive and destroy are blessing anyone? This is the promise they point to to sucker Western Christians. They are a curse to the world, and they follow the satanic talmud and they even created islam. that's why the talmud and koran are so similar. Without these 2 groups, the vampires and the parasites, the entire globe would be doing great. But we've let them infiltrate and twist our values so now we are cursed. This is the state of the world today.

>>137726787
Star Trek takes place are several massive genocidal wars all over the planet.
There were nuclear wars and also genetic wars.

>>137726787
There will always be a Set for a Horus.

What we need is a "spin".

>>137728002
What's the deal with the Halo universe?

>>137739091

I'm saying calling that thing in the picture a spaceship is a stretch of words' definitions. If you wanna know what I said read my words. Always the best way to find out what someone said. In person listening is great to hear what people say.

>>137726787
Commie star trek faggot

>>137740148
Do you mean Wesley, Charlie, or Trelane? Hell, there are probably more. Wes became more of a Planeswalker than a god, turning his back on the Federation in disgust.

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>>137736925
When the clothes are smelly you put it in the washing machine.

>>137731745
no groups are more racist than darkies. proven fact. and I've experienced it my entire life. I'm an old man not some young kid, and have always treated people according to the "golden rule". If mistreated I just avoid that person or group responsible. But I give everyone a chance.Maybe that'll get me killed one day. They have to answer for it. But you can't be stupid either. I will never let a gang member or "migrant" (or any stranger)stay in my house. That's inviting trouble. People are discriminatory based on in group preference, it's a base tribal mentality. I've worked with black dudes who were worthless and whites also who were trash. women that were no good and hard working women. there is good and bad in every group. POTUS said this very thing yesterday. He is representing all of us just as he should.It's ridiculous because this was all worked out in the 70s-80s. Now we have to go through it all again.

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>>137741150
>not turning them inside out

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>>137741545
Both work anon, it's cool.

Endless growth is inherantly unsustsinable and ((your)) rich deliberately ignore this so they can continue reaping it's benefits until one day the whole world is the third world and their decendants rule over it from their castles.

A shrinking economy and population is a natural balancing measure hidden by migration from the dirty hordes of idiots who are yet to see this

>>137741526
>no groups are more racist than darkies. proven fact. and I've experienced it my entire life. I'm an old man not some young kid, and have always treated people according to the "golden rule". If mistreated I just avoid that person or group responsible. But I give everyone a chance.Maybe that'll get me killed one day. They have to answer for it. But you can't be stupid either. I will never let a gang member or "migrant" (or any stranger)stay in my house. That's inviting trouble. People are discriminatory based on in group preference, it's a base tribal mentality. I've worked with black dudes who were worthless and whites also who were trash. women that were no good and hard working women. there is good and bad in every group. POTUS said this very thing yesterday. He is representing all of us just as he should.It's ridiculous because this was all worked out in the 70s-80s. Now we have to go through it all again.
Great post my man and am with ya

>>137727226
>tfw khan was right and if all people were genetically engineered the Federation would control the entire galaxy

>>137732809
Computer, activate program 'Vulcan love slave number five'

>>137726787
lol