I'm just here to talk.

>>137714103
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

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>>137714103

what a waste of time

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Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate.. Leads to suffering.

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>>137714103

tldr

hail hitler

>>137714669
heil*

sorry adolf :^(

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>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay

>>137714627
I realize that you guys probably have demands, since you've decided to go out and march. I know Charlottesville's protest was about a statue, so a thing of the past- but what do you want for the future? That's why I'm trying to figure out. Is there something you'd like to build (inb4 "a wall") or accomplish?

Commies and Fascists feed off each other.

They two sides of the same Collectivist coin.

>>137714103
You haven't been paying attention, you have no idea what happened in Cville.
Take your shitpost, and go do your homework.

>>137714893
Can you enlighten me, then?

The culture war is a digital culture war.
PC bullshit has gone far, a lot of people feel like they have to silence themselves since talking openly isn't worth the drama.
A group of dudes can't even have a speech in a park without a violent lynch mob showing up and a state of emergency shutting them down.

>>137715244
I agree with you. When you talk about the speech in a park, do you mean the university that refused to let white nationalists rally there?

We want the ctrl-left to keep protesting by standing in the middle of the street so drivers continue to lose their shit and plow them over. This removes the worst elements of both sides from the world.

should have killed more

and now fuck off with your larping as a communist, we all know your just another /pol/ack fishing you's

>>137714103
back to africa, monkey

>>137715463
The park where the statue of Robert E. Lee is in. The guys who were going to have the speech, put the microphone in front of the statue, to have it as the backdrop for their speeches. They even got a permit from the city to have permission to be there.
The permit itself was an issue that needed a federal judge to get involved too. The Cville issue is being over shadowed by the car incident, so nobody is going to car about the UniteTheRight event being fucked over by the city itself. To the normies, everyone who went to hear the speeches is a terrorist of a nazi.

>>137715827
This is the kind of stuff I was talking about. Censoring people who have different opinions only breeds more hate. Thanks for explaining this to me, btw.
Is there a place other than 4chan where people from the political group that was censored could have a conversation with the people who censored them? I'm convinced that freedom of speech is important and it's really sad to see that kind of thing.

>>137716180
The other side isn't interested in dialogue. They blanket label everything they say as "hate speech" and want to take away their platform to even speak at all.
This isn't about a conversation, it is about one side closing their ears and demanding the other group have their tongue removed.
This is why the PC bullshit is becoming an issue. We get silenced and censored everywhere we go, the only place to just talk open and not worry is in private on voice hosting services like discord or skype.

>>137714103
Casse toi pédale.

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>>137714103
>I believe they still have a chance to be on the right side of history.
>whether or not your demands are compatible with the greater good
>I understand these concerns
No you dont. Its this kind of smug arrogance why people are sick of leftism and ready to discard completely

>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay,
agreed, prove somebody actually died please

>>137714857

> the same leftist coin.

>>137714103
You're right, no one is born hateful, but they're born racist. Each human has a hard coded in-group preference that follows racial lines. We see this in everything from infant reactions to other skin tones to black boys having much higher academic achievement rates when taught by black men to the brain having similar reactions to beastality and inter racial couples.

Look up Robert Putnam's E Pluribus Unum study. In short, racial diversity results in the break down of civic institutions and interpersonal relationships where ever a city is heterogenous.

Also, white supremacists aren't white nationalists. They're LARPERs who like to pretend their nazis coming to save the white race. You've seen what good they've done.

>>137716666
I completely understand. The best would be for moderate people to defend freedom of speech for everyone. I see it happen a lot, so that's good. The situation in the US seems more difficult than in France, since the far-left has a lot of power, and now with what happened in Cville. That really sucks.

>>137716666
>The other side isn't interested in dialogue. They blanket label everything they say as "hate speech" and want to take away their platform to even speak at all.

thats right because otherwise their narrative pushing their agenda falls apart

>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay
>people

I don't see any people on the pics.

>>137716982
>but they're born racist.
no they are trained to be racist with violence

their parents beat them to make sure they're racist

>>137714103
>still have a chance to be on the right side of history
what, like those currently trying to rewrite it?
tendential leftist, but, this bollox with the statues is way out of order (and its hardly 'alt-right' to blame here) AND Charlottesville was, in principle, the forced shutting down of a permitted demo. Whether you agree with it or not, 'I I I dont agree, SHUT IT DOWN!' - thats not the way towards reaching a consensus.

What 'the left' happily forgets, there is a fucking shitload of armed and volatile people at these events. And simply screaming till you get your way is neither having a serious conversation, nor limiting the potential for a bloodbath - such becoming more inevitable by the day. You want a serious conversation? - maybe start with admitting your share of the fault - and this statutes shit, its serious bullshit thats gonna end in tears IMO.

>>137717125
>being this retarded
People are born racist. Deal with it faggot.

>>137714103

The nationalists that marched in Charlottsville are operating on so many more red pills than you that it's not worth trying to explain to you. I suggest that you lurk moar if you want to understand. Also, judging by your flag, it's none of you business.

>>137717315
The issue is when White Pride is linked with being racist. Personal pride is a problem to herd-collectivist mindset. Whites are being told to be ashamed of their skin color, if they have any amount of personal pride in their history they must be evil and full of hate.

>>137717173
I know there are laws in the US protecting freedom of speech. Sadly, it's easier to comply with the demands of potentially violent groups (on the left) than to fight for freedom of speech. The people who are in power have no reason to make it more difficult for themselves by defending an umpopular viewpoint. I understand this is why some people here on 4chan and other young conservatives are ready to use violence to defend freedom of speech. I'm not sure there's a good solution to this. I don't want fascism, and I don't want a bloodbath.

>>137717125
So.. how did the first racist person come about?

>>137714103
Sorry friend, this is a problem beyond dialogue. The nazi scum that has infected the soul of the Republican party can't be talked away, it will need to be rooted out and destroyed.

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>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay

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>>137714103
I'm just here for the memes

>>137718022
The conservative or right-wing group isn't ready to use violence, they are just prepared to defend against violence being used as a means to silence them. A bloodbath cannot be avoided at this time since the brainwashed SJW type is convinced words are violence, and anyone who puts forth a counter argument is committing hate-speech.

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>>137714103
>only western people that cares about dead commie
disgusting

>>137714103
We don't want our homelands to be flooded by niggers and muslims and our history, culture and legacy erased. What don't you understand about that? No one wants that, not even the dumbest, most worthless nigger in Africa, and we actually have something worth defending.

>>137718530
But you erased their history culture and legacy............

>>137718022
We're probably going to get both. Why? Because surprise the surprise the faction that wants to scrub history has never read history.

KKK and Neo-Nazi rallies have been a thing for decades. I went to go watch one 5 years ago in my city to see what would happen. Of course there were commie counter protesters there as there usually are.

What's changed is Antifa and friends have been attacking right wing gatherings that have nothing to do with Nazis for months now because they see any conservative expression as fascism.

The left has been escalating, and historically not only does this tend to grow right wing movements when open conflict begins leftists lose. Hard.

>Captcha: find the vehicles

>>137714958
Only some of the people who showed up to Charolettesville to march were White Nationalists. Every one of the people who showed up to oppose them is a collectivist of some kind. The police, instead of keeping the groups apart, corraled them together before making one of them leave. Look into the history of terrorism from those who showed up to 'fight teh nazi.'

>>137718824
I feel really stupid because I'm overwhelmed by this whole thing. Antifa sucks. And yes, I've seen videos, they're definitely violent. Have they been labeled a terrorist organization yet? Do you think it would help, or just make them look like martyrs?

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>>137719231
(You) are not and should not feel dumb. These people are brainwashed so take what they say with a grain of salt.

>>137719231
I'm not sure if it would help, but they haven't yet.

>>137714103
Actually the mainstream has always hated nazis. Killing millions of people in a world war does not make you popular.

>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay, and this particular guy was a nutjob.

Dude, he was driving his car there and antifa started throwing stuff at his car and smashing it with bats so he sped up as anyone would do and ended up crashing at the rally. He isn't a nutjub, just had bad luck with ending up on the street populated by nutjobs

>>137714850
An end to mass immigration and ethnostates for Europeans since other nations are allowed to have it as well.

>>137719581
Counter point: Communists are very popular now

>>137714103
Black dude here, stop calling me a Uncle Tom faggots. So fucking sick of you leftist treating blacks like your fucking pets. I stand shoulder to shoulder with /POL many blacks do feel as I do. Many stand up and go to these rallies. As blacks we have to make our presence known on the Right. Stand up and be vocal. Put the leftist trash in its place. We are not pawns in your Marxist revolution. Any black that aligns themselves are house niggers as Malcolm X put it. They are only fighting to keep their gimmedats. The true definition of the house nigger.

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>>137714958
Psyop

>>137714103
What's your real name freindo? I think I know you IRL

>>137719926
(only first name of course don't be stupid)

>>137719671
The video I saw wasn't really clear. Do you think you could give me a link of a video where I could see better?

>>137714103
What happened when a BLM supporter killed 5 cops? Obama blamed "the sytem".
The left WILL label anything they don't like nazi, it's been going on for months if not years.
& please note the right wing NEVER shows up at the left/sjw rallies.
The enemy chooses you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oHmiHbyMEY

>>137719732
>Right-pets
>Left-pawns
What did bait mean by this?

>>137719926
Not gonna say my name on 4chan, sorry. Not even my first name. I like being anonymous on the internet.

>>137719718
Communists had a very succesful march through the institutions in Europe. In the USA the WASPy ruling class' progressivism morphed into a sort of communism. And you know, Jews.

American Lefties
> BE TOLERANT OR FUCKING DIE

By the way, guys. It wouldn't be fair to only talk to you and not Antifa as well. Do you know a forum I could use to talk to them?

>>137720112
Unless it's a rare name you won't be doxxed. That's up to you but it would be one hell of a coincidence if you are who I think you are

>>137719231
They haven't. There has been no mention of them save for Fox, the rest of the traditional media is oblivious to them. That's why people are so upset about Trump's "both sides are at fault" because the general perception is that these were peaceful counter protestors that got beat up by always violent nazis. Plus they're being categorized as 'anti-hate' groups.

The mainstream awareness would have 2 effects.

1. Antifa ranks would swell because who dosent want to join the Resistance (bare in mind the rally folks were out numbered 2 to 1).

2. The second is run of the mill conservatives will realize that there are people on the left beating up innocents and torching cities and getting away with it and arguably being encouraged by the rest of the left. This will engage conservative populations and hardened the divide.

>>137718599
Firstly, no we didn't. Everyone but USA, Canada, Germany, France, UK and Sweden, fucking billions of them are living in ethnostates in control of their own destinies.

Secondly, if that is the explanation, then why aren't muslims facing the same fate? All those lands outside Arabia used to be white and Christian. Why not Japan or China? Why Sweden? They never had an empire?

Thirdly, not a single one of us had anything to do with any of that.

Fourthly, does that make it a good thing that we should bend over for, or fight till the death against like the old colonies did?

By the way, it was also whites who abolished slavery and imperialism from the earth and institued civil society and international cooperation and foreign aid. Some of our ancestors may have committed crimes, but the vast majority were good, charitable, creative and productive. So if we must pay for our ancestors' crimes, why aren't we rewarded for their goid works which far outweigh them? Why aren't all the other peoples' whose ancestors committed crimes (i.e. all other people, especially muslims) similarly punished?

Your explanation doesn't add up.

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>>137719581
>Killing
>millions
>of people

>>137720239
I'm not comfortable with it, but I can tell you I go to college in Paris. I also have bangs, if that can help.

>>137720221
Don't only reach out to Antifa supporters, BLM was there too. BLM was the group with baseball bats that attacked the car.

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>>137719718
The red tide is rising.

The edgy eugenicist "race-war-now" fascists suddenly cowering and playing the victim card as soon as true leftists seriously try to oppose them is a bit funny and also a bit telling about the integrity of the average right-winger.

>>137720393
>I go to college in Paris
Ah nevermind then

>>137720297
(You) don't act or behave like the charitable ones. (You) act and behave like the brainwashed useful idiots.

>>137720455
Don`t reach out. They must be exterminated and bred out of existence like the parasites they are.

>>137720455
Thanks for the info. So, do you know where I can find BLM/Antifa members on the internet? Ideally a place where I don't need to make a profile and all.

>>137720529
rephrase that in english

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>>137714103
BLM has murdered 7 innocent cops, so far.
Do you condemn that as well?

Which side do you support?
Antifa communists & white-hating BLM racists?
Or National Socialists & black-hating KKK?

Or neither, like our President?

Waiting for your choice.

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>>137720529
Good goy.

>>137720221
Gtaforums discussion section

I applaud your stride, Frenchie, but most people on this board are either retarded or underage (sometimes both).

They don't want to discuss things and come to a solution. They just want a hivemind echo chamber where time stands still.

>>137720053
Just like a typical leftist. Trying to discredit my words. Your fear us faggot. You fear the moment blacks awake to the bowl of lies you have been feeding us since LBJ. Blacks will no longer dine at your table of discontent. Remember my words as a Black man shoves your antifa flag up your ass.

>>137720625
I absolutely condemn that. It was disturbing to me that the media acted like the left in the US wasn't violent at all.
I support neither.

>>137720576
Who do you think I am? I'm just a normal guy like you. Highly travelled and educated, getting on with people from all walks of life, quite liberal even.

>>137714850
here are some demands. Lower immigration and change to point based system. Remove affirmative action and remove discriminative diversity hiring bias policies.

Socially: Stop attacking white males and stop trying to divide white females from white males

>>137720616
If you attempt to ask questions to them, be prepared to be called a bigot, racist, and they will try to dox you and get you fired. So 100% make a fake profile.

>>137720745
You`re delusional if you think for a second that you can get anywhere by having a civilized discussion with Antifa. Are you serious or a shill?

>>137720815
Just like President Trump.
I'm with both of you.

>>137720879
You forgot Uncle Tom to the Red pilled brothers out there.

>>137720824
Agree with all of this.

>>137720824
Seems reasonable to me. White women should be able to date whoever they want, though. But I get what you mean. In ads, movies, etc. Most biracial couples have a white woman and a black man. From what I've seen, it's not that common in real life.

>>137721206
At least you're not blind to the media propaganda.
Ask yourself, why are they pushing this agenda?

>>137721160
Do you find being called a minority insulting? I often wonder how people feel when these lefty idiots stand up and speak on behalf of others, as if they are too incompetant to do it on their own.

>>137720979
That's not what I'm saying, faggot.

You can't have a normal discussion with both parties. With Antifa or you nazi fags. You're all already dug in your views for anyone on the internet or outside to convince you otherwise through discourse.

No, what you need is practical experience; empirical evidence.

And even then, still might be the same. As soon as you join a braindead group you're fucked. Which both nazis and antifa are; fucking brain dead

>>137721299
It's a clumsy way to seem inclusive. They put token minorities in everything to appeal to the people who want diversity more than anything, and think story/personality are secondary. I'm sure minorities think it's ridiculous too.

>>137714103
>That Guy is a Nutjob
He was obviously trained.
All Footage visible shows a guy completely different from the guy they took to blame for the crime.
The Footage shows how calm and collected he was doing it.
That asshole was a mercenary to start a media war, and he succeeded and all who have half a brain know its not on the right-wing anymore.
I mean, listen here OP. why would OUT MERE COINCIDENCE helicopters fall out of the sky that had a trained team on it and a lake nearby to break the fall?
OP, this is all doctored.

>>137714103
The problem is minorities feel entitled and refuse to act civilized. 13% of the population commits 50% of the violent crime. We are sick of paying them to hate us.

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>>137720545

fucking gold

>>137714103
They weren't random people. They were commies that would have killed anyone wearing a MAGA hat.

>>137721899
Do you post the there were no planes thing in all 9/11 threads?

>>137721613
>You can't have a discussion unless there is a chance to turn the other side from their principles to yours.

Walk this back because this is the message I'm getting from your post which if it was your intent then you're a bigger part of the problem then /pol/ is.

>>137714103
>I'm not asking you to repent or to join the left. I believe every person is entitled to their opinions.

Did you ask all this crap also about antifa? or BLM after they hundet down and killed white cops cause they are white and obama refused to denounce them? Did you ask the same crap about ANY radical left movement that killed in the last DECADE? No? Oh well you can start with treating people the same.

>>137722051
At least someone else can see this issue too. You have found the root of the problem.

>>137722051
Then that's your problem. The point is that the discussion is close to futile in an echo chamber. You don't have to convince the other side of anything, but something should be gained by both parties after any good conversation

>>137721356
I find leftist are condescending cunts, especially Jews trying to sympathize with the black struggle. I don't consider myself a minority. I am an American and a veteran first. I also am black and there are plenty of blacks on this planet. A minority would be the rain forest tribes in South America, that's a minority and they are going extinct. What I find truly insulting when some white bitch is telling me I don't know what struggle is, than calls ME a Uncle Tom. I further provoke the bitch, until she calls me a nigger. I find that insulting.

>>137714103
White nationalists have a peaceful protest.
Violent leftists show up and incite violence and attack white nationalists first.
Violent leftists ATTACKED the car before it plowed into all of those people.

>>137714103
>What are the biggest problems society is facing?
1. The fact that we had to reach this point for faggots like you to notice
2. Destruction of nuclear and extended family by government gibs for single mothers and minorities
3. Destruction of meritocracy in universities by government gibs to niggers
4 Destruction of meritocracy in workplaces by government gibs to nigger
5 Gender relations down the shitter
6 Race relations down the shitter
7 Tolerance of criminal activities leading to whole communities becoming unsafe.
8 Mass illegal migration without any criteria whatsoever

I think these are enough to get you started.

>>137722688
Again, do you have a video of this? I can't believe one side or the other without a proof.

>>137714103
We fear communism taking over, freedom of speech being taken away, just for a start.

If you fear communism and the 100 million it has killed, nazi's are the least of your concern.

BLM and ANTIFA are communistic and want to start a radical revolution, violent if necessary.

they use propaganda to paint anyone who opposes their communist movement, a Nazi.

If you believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, you're not Left anymore to the left.
You're a nazi too.

This is what most white nationalists want. we want to keep america, and other western countries values. those values include, freedom of speech, and even expression. the right to privacy, and the safety of good neighbors, We believe different races do have an effect on social order. but that is NOT the most important thing right now.

If white nationalist had a demand, I believe it would be this
WE HAVE AS WHITE PEOPLE, LIKE ALL PEOPLES, A RIGHT TO BE PROUD OF OUR WESTERN COUNTRIES. (Not excluding other ethnicity, just an acceptance of our heritage)

What's so wrong about white people and white culture? why should we be ashamed of it, it has done as much barbarity as all other peoples, yet we also brought an end to slavery and brought about the freedom we see from the united states.


I came to these conclusion peoples everywhere I go, I get told the white race should go extinct. that all races matter and should be proud besides white people, and communism is taking over the left, thought policing and silencing any white people who just want to not hate themselves.

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>>137714103
You really don't fucking get it do you? All white nationalists want is for the US to be white - that's it. They see race and culture as something intrinsically linked and cannot be separated, therefore for the US to remain as great as it is, it needs to be white.

And let me tell you something, they're only going to get more and more popular. The argument for being a white nationalists is as legitimate as it has ever been in the history of the West. What with mass non white immigration, no go zones and constant terror attacks, how the fuck do you think people are going to respond? They won't turn to "rational" politics, they'll take up emotional politics as a response to what's happening to their homelands.

>>137722856
Could you be more specific on points 2 and 5?

>>137714103
the alt-left has been calling him nazi and violently attacked his rallies for two years now. the dnc leaks revealed the alt-left sends in women and cripples to start fights so that the jew media can make trump look bad

>>137722687
I'd drink a beer with you

I'm not racist, I'm white and pretty happy with that, but I have black family and I love them and wouldn't hate them because they're biracial.

However I still want the best for my country, and my family, and that requires being conscious of the negatives of mass migration.

But you and I are derided as irrational, or that our "true reason" for being concerned with the degradation of the country is just racism. It can't be because we want the best for ours, it has to be based on hate. I just love my family and want them to be able to prosper and I don't see having 1 billion people in my country a path to that prosperity.

>>137721764
Too easy.
They are alienating a huge percentage of the population that is getting sick of this crap, and trying to raise a generation of dupes that think this perversity is "normal."

Try again.

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>>137722864
Here's a video.

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>What I'm trying to do is understand what you want, and whether or not your demands are compatible with the greater good.
>If someone who considers themselves a white nationalist sees this, please answer me.


Currently the demographic changes in Europe will make us, the native Europeans, minorities in our own homeland. That is not something to discuss, its a pure statistical fact. If we continue the current demographic changes, we will eventually become minorities. Its not a question of if, but a question of when. This process will also only speed up as the climate change gives non-whites yet another excuse to immigrate to Europe. It will also speed up as the old white baby boomers of Europe die, since their population is huge compared to the recent white generations in Europe.

As an ethno-nationalist, I want to see that demographic change stopped.That means you have to end all immigration from third world non-white countries, including refugees. Then I want to see the demographic change that has already happened in Europe reversed. To reverse what has happened, I believe we should increase funding to repatriation programs. Repatriation programs are already in full effect in Europe today, where they give economic incentives to non-whites to leave Europe. By combining economic incentives, and good deals in their home countries, most first generation immigrants will over time slowly move home. And their children will most likely follow. Basically give them a better deal in their homeland than they already have here. For example, let say you have a first generation immigrant from the middle east working in a car wash 12 hours a day. You give him an education and a relevant job in his home country in exchange for him leaving Europe. He gets to choose to be a doctor in his home country, or a car wash worker in Europe. Islam should also be banned, which will make more people leave.

>>137722885
That political compass in pic related is upside down.

>>137716666
quads of truth

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Well, I don't consider myself a neo nazi or even white nationalist but I am leaning that way. Which really surprises me. I'm technically still registered as a democrat and this election was the first time I voted republican when I cast for Trump.

I come from a far left, but oddly conservative and religious, family. My dad used to perform abortions and my mom sat on a regional board for NOW and a bunch of other feminist groups.

I wasn't raised this way is my point. The first red pills I took not because of /pol or any alt right blogs but because I majored in philosophy. I come from a family of scientists and from the south. I had relatives on both sides of the civil war.

It was philosophy classes and my own research that led me to the alt right and with this election identifying more and more with race realist or human biodiversity advocates.

I don't want a 100% white america. My family had over a dozen members in the revolution and I am related to a few founding fathers and I know we have never been 100% white.

I simply don't want my children and grandchildren to be brought up as minorities in either a Marxist dystopia or as kaffir in an defacto Islamist state (they don't have to change the law of they control parts of the social fabric, look at what's happening in Europe with rape gangs in England for ex).

After decades of the leftist media informing people like me that my children will be minority's, often with a smirk and a smug tone, whit being constantly told that white southern guys like me and my ancestors are the worst of the worst, to put it mildly, are you really surprised at what I'm about to say?

Is it really surprising that white people are putting themselves first? What the fuck should I care about when the left not only demonizes me and mine but has pushed us out of our own political party to pander to Muslims, gays and trannies, and illegal Hispanics. I was their ally and they made me an enemy. Fuck them. You reap what you sow.

>>137723115
This.

But let me add, if it comes to a point where I have to put on a armband, sieg heil and sing Horst wessel lied in order to save white people from their own destruction, then so be it.

I do not WANT to have to do that, but I feel at this rate, I will have to.

>>137722045
9/11 was controlled demolition on all three buildings, anyone with even half a brain does not dispute that, anymore.
The only people that refuse to believe it are those that don't WANT to believe it, and the state trolls that are paid to discredit this reality.

But we're talking about the driver of the vehicle, here. I'm more convinced the "evidence" of the driver being someone else is what has been manufactured.
The two pics of the supposed "real" driver simply fit too well.

>>137723115
How are you planning to enforce a ban on Islam? Also, what are you planning to do about the low birth rates in Europe? I understand what you're saying, but we can't force white people to have children.

>>137714103
Im not white nationalist. i just want to be left alone.

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>>137714103

It's all echo chambers, there's no hope for people who sent a meme around saying 'antifa did it'

The far right will not achieve reconciliation with the general public because their cognitive dissonance makes them too hostile.

The agendas and opinions of antifa are largely unknown. All that's known for sure is they grow bigger and fiercer when alt righters escalate violence. They respond to things which actually happen, not things they've cherry picked or made up.

>>137720815
Alt-left and BLM showed up to Trump rallies wearing KKK hoods and media pretended it was his supporters. Trump knows just because you alt-leftists call someone a nazi doesn't mean its true

>>137723089
Good video, this needs to be distributed on all social media.

>>137714103
Obama is using Brownshirts (antifa) to start a revolution you fucking dumbshit.

He has put us all on a kill list.

So take your bandied words and kindly shove them up your ass. You are the problem.

>>137723512
Stop the obvious propaganda and instead of demonicing children as they do in majority white countries (but funnily enough in africa with theri 9 sibling families) and instead make having children and a big familiy a goal again.
It can be done with the right pr as seen in Hungary in which they said no to immigrants but give good money the more children you have. All the left is interest in is getting rid of conservatives or whatever you want to call them and at the same time import votes.
Its always the same reason, same as in the uk and look at that now..

>>137723584
3 paragraphs and you said nothing

>>137723072
I feel you, I have children. Everything I do is for them and their future. Being in the military woke me up. There is only one color in the Marines and that's green. I will live and die for my God, My country, My family and my friends Families. As they would for me. We have no other place to go. The line is drawn here. The only place they can push us, is into the sea. Think about that. These colors don't run.

>>137723512
>what are you planning to do about the low birth rates in Europe?
This is a false meme.
The population of Europe was increasing since WW2, it was not dropping, and the birth rate was adequate to the natural resources of the region.
The white population is decreasing entirely due to massive, uncontrolled immigration. You cannot breed enough new people to overcome this. You cannot breed enough new generations to overcome an invasion.

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>>137723825

oO(Did I just hear a voice from somewhere?)

oO(oh, it's just a fascist who can't listen. Nothing special there.)

>>137723995
We were having a decent and civilized conversation until you showed up.
plz leave

>>137723584
When did the right escalate before Cville?

>>137723472
This is larping, folks.

>>137723530
>Im not white nationalist

That's where you wrong. They won't left you alone anyway.

>>137723512
The birth rate issue is linked to birth control pills and abortion. It is "Her Choice". To increase the birthrate you have to give incentive to become a parent.
Currently men have to risk divorce and child support if they get in an argument with their female and their life can be destroyed.
Family courts need to be addressed if a solution to low birthrates is to be achieved.

>>137714103
Watch the
The Greatest Story Never Told

burn the coal pay the toll

>>137714103
>white nationalists are scared. This fear has turned into hate
france your not fooling anyone it was hate from the start.even tyrome knows that and hes a idiot.

go back to waiting to die at the hands of ahmed MURIC has things it needs to discus with nations that arent cucked

>>137724195
I agree that men shouldn't get fucked over after a divorce. It's one of the issues the west has to solve. But do you suggest forcing women to have children? Making abortion and the pill illegal?

>>137722983
As for the gibs
http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Government-Assistance-for-Single-Mothers

This incentivizes divorce and leads to children growing up in broken families
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/

As for gender relations themselves, sets of laws favoring women still exist today while the traditional role models these laws were meant to compliment don't. Moreover any man can have his life completely destroyed by a false rape/sexual assault accusation.

>>137714103
>What are the biggest problems society is facing
the genocide of hte white race
the destruction of western christian values
the demonization of national-socialism and right-wing movements
the spreading of homo-sexual acceptance and the weakening of Western Men
Feminism
Marxism in general
I just wanted to give you an honest answer, before i say the following:
>I also disagree with the far-left
>right side of history
> I know 4chan is usually a place for trolling
fuck of back to plebbit you worthless communist piece of shit

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>>137718824

Nope, After WW2, the fashy side always got their asses kicked if there was violence when they rallied.
It's partly because they attract assholes who are violent when they aren't rallying.

If you meet lefties from Europe who say they've stomped nazis they could be telling the truth, because there has been 70 years of it in Europe.
It will spread to America now.

>>137723584
You say these words but I don't see the evidence
When have the alt right shut down leftist rallies?

I'll try to see your point, that we are the aggressors if you can just explain to me why it's the left who come to our rallies for a fight?

>>137714103

Society's biggest concerns as of yet are, in my opinion (not in that order) :
1. China's rise to power : China is essentially a economic powerhouse with none of the moral restraints of the United States. If their rise to power continues undisputed, they'l soon be able to impose their will upon other nations and the US will be incapable of doing anything about it. A dystopia could result from this, with more and more nations falling to the totalitarian dystopia that is chinese ""socialism""

2. The increasing number of muslims in the West : This is more of a european thing, but statistics prove that the muslims generally never integrate into their host culture: They always keep their rather oppressive views on women and believe religion as one of the most important authorities in their life, and are prone to theocracies as such. They continue to act as muslim, don't integrate, and if they do, only superficially, and due to their higher birthrates threaten to replace the freedom-loving western democracies due to their retardation.

3. The increasing number of uneducated, retarded minorities : Our birthrates are horrible, and in the US and abroad, minorities threaten to become the majority in the US. These minorities tend to live in echo chambers and only vote for their own self interest -- the latinos/blacks vote for Democrats and leech more welfare whilst having more kids whilst the average american has to pay the increasing number of welfare recepiants with his own tax money, all the while continuing to be replaced in his own nation.

Soon you'l also see most workfaces automated, then what? Then you'l have 100million illegals who have no job and just screw around, and will likely resort to crime.

>>137723584
Expect ANTIFA is a active, violent group that actively seeks to "bash the fash". They're the ones who escalate the violence, not the far-right who marched around with their shitty tiki torches.

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>>137724143
When they shot up that baseball field filled with black democrat senators
#leftistrevisionism

>>137714103
I've got no stake in the game or arguments at play here. I'm not racist or trying to edit anyone's rights.

However.

You shouldn't be allowed to block streets with baseball bats. People involved with this or supporting it will get run over and it's their own fault.

>>137714103
>implying there is actual nazis and not just half retarded natsoc larpers and betas who brainwashed themselves by rolepaying white supremacy on anime message boards


Oh you :3

>>137717901
Amen anon

>>137724560
>Soon you'l also see most workfaces automated, then what? Then you'l have 100million illegals who have no job and just screw around, and will likely resort to crime.

Gangs will form on ethnic lines, and then the elites will realize it was not such a good idea to shit on your own side.

Once the plug is pulled and the lights go out, the left are done for.

>>137723512
>How are you planning to enforce a ban on Islam?

You ban it, like you ban anything else. A ban might not even be necessary, just stop all government funds going to mosques and islamic groups, then you stop all foreign funding of mosques and islamic groups. Then you remove all buildings that are considered mosques, and say that any islamic congregation is illegal. Most people will still congregate, but once in a while you raid and arrest a congregation to send a message. Eventually, most muslims will just leave on their own accord. Islam is the most important thing to them, if they can't practice it, they will go somewhere else.

>Also, what are you planning to do about the low birth rates in Europe?

The low birth rates in Europe are not a problem. Europe is already overpopulated, and decreasing our population would increase space in the cities, increase resources and gdp, while also causing less pollution. Automation is the future, and will take over huge job sectors as well. Those who get replaced by machines will have to work with taking care of old people instead. A low birth rate isn't a problem as long as there isn't a competing population within our territory. However, there is currently competing populations of non-whites in our territory, and therefore a low white birth rate is a problem. But if we are alone, it will just create more wealth for the individual. However the state, the rich, the banks and the large scale corporations will loose wealth as a result of a smaller population.

>I understand what you're saying, but we can't force white people to have children.

There is no need to force anyone. Just give them economic incentives. A small percentage point in tax cuts for each child your family produces would make white europeans breed like rabbits. We also need to change our culture, it needs to put value and respect in families and the family life above the career life.

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>>137718824
>What's changed is Antifa and friends have been attacking right wing gatherings that have nothing to do with Nazis for months now because they see any conservative expression as fascism.

Conservatism and alt rightism were conflated during 2016 and both sides were largely quite happy with it at the time.

If you don't want the jiz, you shouldn't suck the dick.

>>137714850
https://altright.com/2017/08/11/what-it-means-to-be-alt-right/

The Charlottesville Statement

August 11, 2017

1. Race

Race is real. Race matters. Race is the foundation of identity.

“White” is shorthand for a worldwide constellation of peoples, each of which is derived from the Indo-European race, often called Aryan. “European” refers to a core stock—Celtic, Germanic, Hellenic, Latin, Nordic, and Slavic—from which related cultures and a shared civilization sprang.

2. Jews

Jews are an ethno-religious people distinct from Europeans. At various times, they have existed within European societies, without being of them. The preservation of their identity as Jews was and is contingent on resistance to assimilation, sometimes expressed as hostility towards their hosts. “Judeo-Christian values” might be a quaint political slogan, but it is a distortion of the historical and metaphysical reality of both Jews and Europeans.

3. The Ethno-State

Nations must secure their existence and uniqueness and promote their own development and flourishing. The state is an existential entity, and, at its best, a physical manifestation of a people’s being, order, and will to survive. Racially or ethnically defined states are legitimate and necessary.

4. Metapolitics

Spirit is the wellspring of culture, and politics is downstream of that. The Alt-Right wages a situational and ideological war on those deconstructing European history and identity. The decrepit values of Woodstock and Wall Street mean nothing to us.

5. White America

The founding population of the United States was primarily Anglo-Saxon and Protestant. By the Great War, a coherent American nation emerged that was European and Christian. Other races inhabited the continent and were often set in conflict or subservience to Whites. Whites alone defined America as a European society and political order.

>>137714850
(2/?)

6. Europe

Europe is our common home, and our ancestors’ bone and blood lie in its soil.

European unity emerged at critical points in history, but so did fragmentation, rivalry, and betrayal. As brother nations, Europeans have competed with one another, and even hated and killed one another. We can no longer afford the luxury of intra-racial squabbling. “Brothers wars” gain us nothing, and directly lead to our collective downfall. Europeans must come together as a family.

The so-called “refugee crisis” is an invasion, a war without bullets, taking place on the fields of race, religion, sex, and morality. At stake is Europe’s very identity—whether the continent will be the locus of our people’s shared story, or become just another Islamic outpost.

7. Family

The family—a man and woman in a loving relationship that produces offspring—is an essential, indispensable foundation for a healthy and functioning society.

8. Human Nature

Man is not a blank slate on which to be written, nor was he born a guileless, noble savage. Human nature—the reality of race, sex, heritability, and innate endowments—is the most powerful force shaping individuals, families, societies, and nations.

9. Women and Sex

Women, as mothers and caregivers, are key to the future of our race and civilization. We oppose feminism, deviancy, the futile denial of biological reality, and everything destructive to healthy relations between men and women. We must overcome today’s debased and lonely “porn culture” and return to a sexuality that is fruitful and erotic in the truest sense of the word.

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>>137724784
>Conservatism and alt rightism were conflated during 2016

within in your head

>>137723373
>my own research that led me to the alt right and with this election identifying more and more with race realist or human biodiversity advocates.

Our stories intersect here (that and I'm from the south as well). The scientific basis for it was just too strong for me to disregard it. Combine that with the literature on social capital showing the massive costs of diversification as policy and you get a narrative thats hard to shake.

>>137714850
(3/?)
10. Foreign Affairs

The foreign policies of European states (including immigration, diplomacy, and war) should be based on the safeguarding of its peoples—and not be beholden to special or foreign interests, nor to corporate profit motives, nor to the chimeras of globalism, humanitarianism, or the End of History. Insofar as “chauvinism” means attempting to transform non-Europeans into Europeans, we are not “Western chauvinists.”

11. Speech

American citizens should enjoy freedom of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution; we endorse this value for all European peoples. We oppose those who seek to suppress the speech of people with whom they disagree, whether through government censorship, corporate policy, digital platform denial, or intimidation.

12. Firearms

All U.S. citizens, and all Europeans, should have the right to bear arms, as a means of protecting themselves and their families and enjoying the manly sport of hunting.

13. Globalization

International trade and the good-faith exchange of ideas can be beneficial to all. Economic and political globalization, however, has been destructive to authentic cultures. Industrialized countries are being transformed into great “nothings” and “nowheres”: indistinguishable, concrete dumping grounds and shopping centers, divorced from culture, people, and history. Globalization threatens not just Europeans but every unique identity on Earth.

14. The Left

Leftism is an ideology of death and must be confronted and defeated. “Losing gracefully” will eventuate in the destruction of our people and civilization.

>>137724384
Don't force them, just give it an incentive again. If sleeping around as a whore was seen as dirty and shameful like it used to be, more people would find success in long term relationships. Hook-up culture is a result of no repercussion sex because of birthcontrol and abortion being acceptable.

>>137714850
(4/?)
15. Economics

Economic freedom is not an end in itself. All economic policies should serve the people of the nation; the interests of businessmen and global merchants should never take precedence over the well-being of workers, families, and the natural world.

16. Urban Life

The automobile, the highway system, and resultant “car culture” have contributed to the death of cities and towns. While not everyone will live in urban environments, cities are vital institutions of culture, community, learning, and the arts. They should never have been abandoned by American Whites of older generations and should be reestablished as jewels of our civilization.

17. The Natural World

We are a special part of the natural order, being in it and above it. We have the potential to become nature’s steward or its destroyer. Putting aside contentious matters like global warming and resource depletion, European countries should invest in national parks, wilderness preserves, and wildlife refuges, as well as productive and sustainable farms and ranches. The natural world—and our experience of it—is an end in itself.

18. The ‘68ers

The generation born between the years 1945 and 1964 abrogated its duty to safeguard and pass down a civilization to its children. The so-called “‘68ers” engage in childish narcissism of the most extreme kind; they bear responsibility for today’s lamentable state of affairs; and they are seemingly unable even to recognize their culpability.

A new generation of leadership is desperately needed.

>>137714103
There's no driver in the red car, nigger teleports from ground to on top of car in different recording angles.

>>137714850
(5/5)

19. Education

Modern education—from preschool to the doctoral level—has become corrupted past the point of recognition. This industry (both public and private) serves leftist ideologues, loan financiers, and a new class of administrators far more than it serves students and parents.

Children should not be indoctrinated in liberal dogma but given a foundation in language, mathematics, the arts, history, and science. Higher education—far from being a “right” or a “pathway to the middle class”—is only appropriate for a cognitive elite dedicated to truth; it is improper, even detrimental, for most. Practical education—trade schools and apprenticeships—should be revived as the norm for most citizens.

20. Personal Duties

A man distinguishes himself by his deeds. And every man, in his own way, must strive to be something more than a man: to be honored by his heirs; to be part of something greater than his self.

>>137714103
Get the fuck out faggot. You do not belong here

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>>137724553
>When have the alt right shut down leftist rallies?

The right wing has always escalated the level of violence.

Artist draws Drumph with a micro penis and gets attacked
Hecklers get attacked for dissing Trump when they are on their way out
Lefties start snatching MAGA hats and then one gets shot for it.

You can't deny the right wing's escalation of violence by asking in a way that's too narrow to include it.

Also using the new name 'alt right' whilst you're 'uniting' with long term neo nazis and KKK who have attacked jews and anti racist events is over specific

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>>137719980
There are at least 4 videos out there now.

>>137724481
>Nope, After WW2, the fashy side always got their asses kicked if there was violence when they rallied.

You're having a laugh right? The right are FAR tougher than leftie students. They were outnumbered because students were often recruited. The only thing that stops the right is disunity. Period. Certainly isn't you fucknuts lol.

>>137714850
>end the migrant crisis and all non-white immigration into europe
>return recent migrants from the migrant crisis to the countries they came from
> end the EU
> end the welfare state
> end non-white immigration to US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand

those things are a good start

The only option left for the white man is to organize and kill as many black, brown, Jew and race traitor you can get your paws on. We must implement guerilla style tactics and target media outlets. We must also target inner cities with random drive by shooting, fires and graffiti shitskin gang logos on the wall to pin the animals against each other.

We must also redpill the animals in NYC and L.A about the JQ and turn their pets against them.

14/88

>>137724384
WTF do you mean by "force"? Why even frame the question in that manner? It's not about forcing women to have children in slave stables like you are trying to suggest, but you give economic incentives for white European women to have children, the more children you have the more you receive in welfare benefits, give the father tax breaks for working, give them baby bonuses for having children. It's pretty simple and straightforward. You can discourage the use of pills and abortion by, depending on the religioisity of the country and their attitudes of abortion and such, make it so that abortion past 20 weeks of pregnancy is illegal, or legislate it so that the pill is more expensive to deter people from having intercourse on the pill and rethink their options. Those are just a few examples.

In order for this to happen you need a massive culture and value shift in the population. You need to restore people's faith in their own people and nation instead of using anti-white propaganda to condition women to accept migrants and refugees and accept their replacement by these groups. It doesn't matter if Europe returns their birth rates to the normal level of 2.1, with the amount of immigrants and refugees we are accepting we will only become minorities in our countries. How the fuck is that justice? Leftists literally want to flood our nations with non-whites because of some inherent self-hate they were conditioned to believe in from an early age, they feel good when they "accept refugees" in the immediate sense they feel good about their actions but they don't think about the long-term consequences of their actions... What are YOU going to do when nothing is done about immigration in France when the Muslim population is 15 or 25% of the population and they are demanding more right and more Sharia??? What are you going to do? What are your children going to do when they are 1 of 3 children in a classroom of 20 Africans, Muslims and Asians? Let me know.

>>137714850
>Nationally advertised event with permits. >Advertised for a month
>Attracts 100 actual racists
>Attracts poor saps genuinely interested in protecting historical monuments only for the media to smear them as part of the 100.
>"White Nationalist" leader was a member of Occupy and an Obama supporter.
It was all one giant ad hominem attack and stand down was issued to ensure max narrative. People were injured and someone died so libtards could virtue signal.

>>137714103
too much pasta frogbro

>>137724481
>Because surprise the surprise the faction that wants to scrub history has never read history.

>What is the Spanish Civil War
>What is Chile and the Pinochet Regime
>What is the entire reason brownshirts came into existence in the first place.

And the record gets worse once you get into the 20th century.

Fascists breed and succeed when there is something to react and over react to.

>>137725815
I'm an anti-religious atheist, so I definitely don't want sharia law in my country.
We need Muslims to become either secular and only "culturally" Muslim (like the cultural Christians in Europe, not eating pork and fasting for Ramadan, but without the outdated views), or become deists/atheists. This could be done with education. Once ISIS bites the dust, I'm pretty sure radical Islam will be weakened.

As for the Black/Asian/Arab thing, I don't know. It would really bother me if a part of human diversity is lost, and it should bother everyone. But I believe culture is more important than race. I don't have a problem with an educated, open-minded black/arab/asian person, and I don't believe they're inferior to white people. But they definitely need to adapt to Western values if they want to live here. Once again, education is important as hell, and we need to discourage bigotry.

>>137726405
•19th century

>>137714103
Here's my serious, non-trolling answer: I'm a white nationalist because I don't want my ethnicity to go extinct. For years I've been told that since I'm a white male, I have to accept that my race/gender has done terrible things and oppressed people. So to make up for that I should cheer and clap as I become a minority in the country that my people founded and made great. And it's not just here, because it's happening in Europe too, the homeland of the white ethnicity. Everywhere else on the planet is allowed to protect their native population and are celebrated for their culture. But not us. We have to go quietly into the night.

Fuck. That.

I'm a realist, so I know the dream of a white ethnostate is not going to happen in the U.S. Europe might be able to get it's shit together in time, but the U.S. is too far gone. At this point my goal is to increase ethnic pride among whites so we at least can stick around long enough for hope to remain.

>>137726772
>We need Muslims to become either secular and only "culturally" Muslim
Muslims cannot become "culturally" Muslim. All things considered the ISIS fundamentalist is the true Muslim. Christianity has the second coming of Christ at its core. As for the rules of the old testament Christ specifically said Christians should follow some of them, rejects others and for the vast majority they should make the choice themselves. This leaves enough leeway to the believers and the church to adapt Christianity to modern values.
Muslims have Muhammad and you are a kaffir who deserves death.

Also still no answer for the destruction of the family.

>>137726772
Muslims won't be becoming "secular" any time soon. In fact, it's the 2nd and 3rd generations children from Muslim families that are committing a disproportionate amount of violence in France, participating in drug gangs and attacking police officers. They WON'T give up their religious and ethnic identities for France, Islam is a conquering religion and they will passively and slowly continue to build up their demographic in France and ask for more and more rights as I said, all the while sucking on the teet of the welfare state which hardworking French have to pay for. It's essentially a migrant tax you have to pay for. ISIS won't "bite the dust", they will simply emerge under another name.

You need to learn that culture comes from and is influenced by race. France is full of minority groups that don't contribute to the economy and don't respect the native people regardless if they are Muslim or not, they will ALWAYS be tribalistic and more tribalistic than the ethnic French have been conditioned not to be. We shouldn't be accepting any more, should be repatriating the ones that pose a threat to French identity and culture and cultivate a new value system and culture that doesn't tell us we are racists or bigots or tries to shame us for objecting to this leftist globalist ideology which only seeks to dwindle our already small populations and ensure that mutlinational corporations can flow from country to country reaping the benefits from their free trade deals while we struggle to find jobs in our own countries in competition with foreigners. Expecting to "educate" foreigners by attempting to get them to get rid of their tribalistic tendencies is futile, good luck with that.

>>137723512
if we gain enough power that we are capable of doing the other things we will have gained enough influence that we will have defeated feminism so the birth rate would just naturally go up

>>137727535
I understand that "cultural" Islam is not true Islam. What I'm saying is, there are tons of people who call themselves Muslims, but have the exact same values as the average Western person. They call themselves Muslims because they've been raised in a Muslim family and it's reassuring to them to feel like they belong in a faith, in a group. But they've never read the Quran and you can't even tell them from non-Muslims. These are the kind of people I'm talking about.

>>137728181
Do you have any numbers on how many they are as opposed to the religious rates of the larger majority of Muslims in Europe?

>>137714103
>no one is born hateful
Me

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>>137714103
>I'm trying to do is understand what you want
What I, a "white" nationalist, want is a sizeable chunk of land where I and the people like me can live our lives the way we wish them to be. That's it. They spin it whichever way puts us under the worst possible light, but if you look at it with an observant, untainted eye that's really all you'll see. We used to have such thing, and mind you they weren't perfect but at least we had them, until your kind came along and decided that that shall no longer be the case.

>What are the biggest problems society is facing? How can we realistically solve them?
The biggest problems society is facing today are the false premises upon which most, if not all, Western societies are based today: universalism and egalitarianism. Men and women aren't equal; human races aren't equal; cultures aren't equal; people aren't equal; worldviews and way of life aren't equal. Equality is a false god, and as soon as there's differences there's a better and a worse (although that's based on the context). This cancerous, poisonous idea isn't even native among the people of European ancestry: it's an imported Semitic product but talking about that is beyond the scope of this post.

[CONTINUE]

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>>137728181
>>137728315
>there are tons of people who call themselves Muslims, but have the exact same values as the average Western person.
>Do you have any numbers
Here guys let me help out

>>137728181
Those are the most dangerous kind of muslim because once they read the quran they will remember every time you invited them to parties and gave them alcohol and pork to eat. This is how they become radicalized, when they read their quran and then seeks retribution on the kuffar to save them for hell. moderate muslims are extremely dangerous to be around. how many times do they have to say "he was normal, we couldnt believe he would do such a thing" before you finally understand

>>137728181
Now that you've spent some time here, do you see right-leaning people as evil bigots, or rational people?

>>137726405
Your nothing more than raw materials for someone's agenda. You and people like you, alt-left and alt-right. Are birds of a feather. Your young and angry at a world you do not understand because your not equipped to do so. I work with lumps of clay such as yourself, I help shape what is there into someone with a purpose. I pray to God that my Marines do not have to suppress your little rebellion to overthrow our Republic, there will not be a Red October or a Night of long knives. Get that fantasy out of your heads. You will die, understand that. There are too many safe guards built into our Government not to allow that scenario to play out. We will not tolerate any terroristic acts against the American people. Get on your knees and pray that the tip of the spear is never turned inward. You will see what hell is.

>>137727535
And about the destruction of the family, I don't know. First, I think that the nuclear family will remain the majority. Also, I don't think divorce (as long as it's fair) is an issue. If both people are decent, they won't try to fuck eachother over, and it's better for the children than to live with two parents who hate eachother. If you think two people who hate eachother shouldn't get a divorce, think again. I don't want a family that LOOKS perfect - I want a family that is actually the best for the children.
As for single mothers, contraception is the answer. Only idiots get pregnant at 16 in a country where contraception is easily accessible (as well as the morning after pill and abortion if needed. I'm aware contraception fails sometimes.).

Lastly, I believe gay couples should be allowed to marry and have children. Being gay doesn't mean you'll be a bad parent. Not all gay people are far-left, unlike what part of /pol / seems to think.

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Our societies aren't progressing, they're regressing: youngsters are getting dumber, worshiping celebrities instead of great figures; man-women relationship are turning back to the stone age (harems of women being used and abused at a whim by a few top men, while masses of young males never get have any female attention); in modern families parents put their immediate, ephemeral wishes in front of the long term needs of their children; the good parents can't discipline their children and societies can't discipline the bad parents because that's not "nice"; communities are fracturing along insurmountable racial-cultural-religious lines; I could go on, but you get the point.

I don't know if there's a peaceful way out of this mess, and history does not show a positive record on this. If you give your dog permission to hop onto the sofa and months later change your mind because he makes a mess out of it more often than not, he will growl and eventually bite if you insist too much; after all you let him on the sofa, it's his too now. But I don't want to sleep on the floor, nor do I want to sit on a messy sofa: I want the dog, and whoever let him there in the first place, out, out, out and I am ready and willing to use force to get that.
Now, thas was obviously a metaphor: I want my country back the way it was, or as close to what it was as possible, one way or another. And I understand that in the real world there is no perfect final solution to end all problems but only trade-offs; and I know that these trade-offs will mean some changes to the old way of thinking and doing things will be due (i.e. I don't necessary want the literal "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" to rule the place where I live); but I think the trade-offs are well worth it. That is the natural and healthy evolution of a people, their culture, and their country - not the artificial changes you're enforcing at gun point.

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>>137714103
Seems to be a good thread with some honest thinkers, so here we go:

I haven't seen this talked about at all around here, but all summer long right and left have been clashing at these rallys. Berkeley and Portland...anyone remember those? These people have been called Nazis since the beginning, with Trump being the "literal Hitler". This isn't even the first Tiki Torch rally that that faggot in wolf's clothing, Richard Spencer, has put on in the last two months. Leftist thugs have been committing mass assaults with weapons, and causing millions of dollars in vandalism of private and public property. Which brings us to last week: Jeffrey Lord was fired from CNN for tweeting a "Nazi salute", now the 35th "white national rally" of the summer suddenly garners international headlines, because one guy brought a brand fucking new Nazi flag to the rally, and a guy drove his car into a mob. Now history is being erased and changed before our very eyes, and I'm sure some shadowy legislation is being pushed through the pipe as I type this.

What's the real story here?

>>137724481
>2017-70 = 1947

what have you even been doing for 70 years? Who were you even fighting? Why did you even exist? There was nobody to fight. Like seriously: who were you even fighting?

Regardless things are different this time, average people are hoping on board because before there was plausible deniability, but now things are so fucking obvious you have to be insane to not be a fascist

>>137728735
Depends who you're talking about. There are rational and non-rational people here.

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>>137729142
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>I'd also like to know how you came to these conclusions
A tl;dr version of my redpill story is that I unironically used to be a leftist. A sjw leftist raised by a broken modern family, a leftist school, and a lying media and entertainment industry. I became first disappointed, then disillusioned (Bataclan terrorist attacks were the tipping point) with my worldview and so I started hearing what the deplorable people on the other side had to say about it all. Turns out they were right. I used to be a "useful idiot" and in the end I became the "worst enemy" (reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN8ifx6r3W8).

Not like the "how" of I came to my conclusions matters, at all. You may think it matters because if only you knew what, where, when and why something went wrong with me you might be able to "fix" me or prevent others from following my footsteps. But you'd be wrong. Everyone's redpill is different, completely different; read any of the redpill story threads here or on other websites (e.g. American Renaissance) and you'll find out.

>I'd love to have a serious conversation with you guys and try to see whether or not we can put our differences aside to do what's best
I love politics and geopolitics, and I could sit here and discuss all day just for pleasure. But truth is that I, as stated above, refuse your premises - which you have never bothered to prove in the first place - so I doubt we'll ever reach any meaningful compromise. How could we possibly go about proving a complex math theorem if we can't even agree that 2+2=4 not 5? When I said that I changed my mind, turning from leftist to right wing, in reality I changed my premises.


There you have it. I hope I could be of help with your dilemmas, and I hope you'll find the time to reply if you found my text helpful.

>>137714850
The US is constantly importing people who seize good jobs. It's a lie that they all just come here to pick fruit. We import Indian programmers and Chinese engineers. And lots of people who come here end up moving on to better jobs in life after they've naturalized. The point is that I was upward mobility for Americans. I don't want good jobs going to immigrants. It's not about me - I have a decent job, but it's about my countrymen. Our people can do our jobs. We don't need white men buying into some meme that Asians are higher IQ and thus needed to be our doctors. We can be the doctors. We can be the programmers. Stop taking away our upward mobility.

>>137714103
>implying that it was niche to hate nazis before this
AAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>137729196
Remove the car part of the story and look what happend. A group of people planned some speeches at a park and even got a permit to use the park. The city signed a state of emergency at 10am (2 hours before the event even started) to stop them from speaking.
That is the real story here that needs to get attention. Why can't white men have an event to speak about white pride and share ideas?

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>>137723995
>"Fascist kill people and are bad. Tee hee xd plz give me sum fuk."
>"Communist only kill oppressors tho! All ~150 million of time in a time span of 50 years. We're the good guys!"

T. You

>>137728181
I agree that most Muslims are not extreme, but why do we need them here? We don't. Helping a million Muslims by making them citizens of the first world is a nice gesture, but it is a band-aid. There are many billions of people whose life could be improved by becoming a citizen of the EU or the US, and but the focus should be on helping their countries see the light and letting them improve their own infrastructure and way of life. And they do change the culture of their host nation. Some people like that, but some don't. I feel European cultures and the US are at risk of being changed forever for the worse.

>>137714850
what do you think we want, you dumb faggot. we want statues.

>>137730254
I completely agree with that. But if someone has lived in France for 50 years and doesn't speak a word of Arabic, it wouldn't be right to send them back to "their country". But yeah, letting people immigrate massively to the West is stupid. We need to make their countries good enough to live in.

>>137714103
>What happened in Charlottesville was not okay. Killing random people is not okay, and this particular guy was a nutjob.
i agree. go tell the antifags not to attack random people with deadly weapons

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>>137728934
we aren't angry at the world. also we have no intention of taking over the government. who do you think we are?

what we intend to do is change the metapolitics of the country. the cultural attitudes of the general population.

the problem is you think of us as diafected young men with poor economic opportunities and that just isn't the case for most of us. I'm doing fine and I assume most of the rest here are to.

We aren't here because we hate other races, we are here because for whatever reason we were "redpilled" and realized something wasn't quite right with society.

I used to more or less believe what the news said because why not, but there were some very specific cases where the media narrative about something I was very knowledgeable about was completely wrong and it seemed like the different media outlets were colluding with each other and generating narratives.
I was also a liberal for most of my life but the internal contradictions of the left such as supporting both feminism and gays but also islam became too much that I deemed the current political left completely crazy and therefore not worth listening to.

I more or less sensed something was deeply wrong with the narrative being pushed by society. I started investigating things for myself and the gap between the main stream and reality grew and grew.

That is more or less how everyone gets here.

Its worth noting that I've more or less reverted to the opinions I had on things when I was young

When I was a kid learning about history and my country, I learned that until 1970s my country only accepted white immigrants but now we took them from all over the world. The book said that this was supposed to be a wonderful thing, but kid me did not think so: my reasoning was that even though my grandparents were immigrants from central europe, since I was white I was indistinguishable from the primarily british descendant rest of canada, but the same could not be said about immigrants(1/2)

>>137714103
>join the left
yes, you good fucking goy, join the left like your peers!

>>137731109
Wow, seriously, thank you for that. This might be one of the most helpful answers in this thread.

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>>137731109
>When I was a kid learning about history and my country, I learned that until 1970s my country only accepted white immigrants but now we took them from all over the world. The book said that this was supposed to be a wonderful thing, but kid me did not think so: my reasoning was that even though my grandparents were immigrants from central europe, since I was white I was indistinguishable from the primarily british descendant rest of canada, but the same could not be said about immigrants(1/2)
you can thank the kikes for this one, too

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>>137731109
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>>137729967
Communism is a "foreign" body that is incompatible to a free Republic. The infected host will reject it violently. What is happening in America is cause and consequence. Tit for Tat. There are subversive elements working to destroy The United States of America. The end game is to get America to destroy itself from within. We cannot allow this to go any further. Have our Government officials been bought off, Absolutely. But there are those who have not, Men and women of honor, their voices are ignored in Congress and the Senate. I want everyone to think for a moment of who they are, what they are. If you say black/white, male/female, liberal/republican. Your answer in absolutely wrong. You're American. In Iraq Locals referred to me as American. In Europe again referred to as a American. My skin color, political affiliation, Gender were never the first topic. It was always I am an American.

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>>137731109
from other parts of the world. I understood at that young age that I would be able to fully assimilate because I looked the same as the canadians that were already there, but I was concerned about the fact that non-white children of immigrants wouldn't have the same luxury I did because they were not white. It was for this reason that as a kid I thought non-white immigration was a bad idea.

Another thing I thought as a kid was that our books said US was a melting pot where everyone assimilated, whereas Canada was a mosaic where immigrants would retain their culture while being able to live here. Young me thought that was terrible idea because having people with different cultures in the same country would be a bad time because people wouldn't feel united and the american melting pot seemed vastly superior in my young mind.

Young me understood these things, but the "education" I got seemed to go counter to what seemed reasonable.

Now though after studying countries around the world I have been able to firmly conclude that diversity is not a strength and is in fact a weakness, and I know that without a shadow of a doubt, which ended up proving child me right.

For this reason I feel like it is my duty to oppose multiculturalism will everything I have because I feel like our leaders who are pushing for multicultural countries are either severally delusional or intentionally desiring to cause harm.

For this reason I consider myself a white nationalist because I am working towards ensuring the country is as homogenous as possible as that is the optimal situation.

It is tolerable to have non-whites in the country but the larger the minority communities become the more problems you are going to see. This has nothing to with race as in Canada we have a large french speaking white minority in Quebec and having this large minority makes running the country difficult.

Its not that non-whites are bad, its that they will never see themselves as white

>>137731109
Not taking to you Canada. Talking to the Americans. These are American Issues, not Canadian. Your way of life is different than ours. Your still a jewel in the Crown of Britannia. Worry about Canada. You have your own set of problems unique to your country. See how many Times I repeated myself. I do appreciate your input.

>What /pol/ thinks it is
Extreme Right Centrists Extreme Left
>What it really is
Patriots Cowards Extreme Right/Left

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>>137733128
I feel and care more about america than I do canada so yes it matters. I know more about the american constitution than I do the canadian constitution because our constitution sucks. Think of me as an american that was born just a little bit too far north.

Just pretend I'm american

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>>137733550
>leaf

>>137733661
>out america than I do canada so yes it matters. I know more about the american constitution than I do the canadian constitution because our constitution sucks. Think of me as an american that was born just a little bit too far north.
>transnational

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>>137726772
>I believe culture is more important than race
>We need Muslims to [change] [...] This could be done with education
You, an anti-religious atheist, have no proof whatsoever that that is true or possible. In fact every observation you can make points to the exact opposite.

But you, an anti-religious atheist, didn't really think about that. You, like you would expect from a social animal, look at the world through the lenses that have been provided to you by your parents, your school, your news networks, etc.

You, as quote says, "believe" in that without proof or questioning. You're not an anti-religious atheist: you simply swapped the religion of Christianity with the brand new post-modern universalism, the religion for the modern progressive man.


>>137729049
>I want a family that is actually the best for the children.
The family that is actually best for the children is the nuclear or enlarged natural family where the biological father and biological mother commit to each other (they marry) and put aside their pettiness and bitterness, as far as humanely possible: no family is flawless. And if that requires the man to take the lead over the woman so be it.

>I believe gay couples should be allowed to marry and have children
Marriage is the formalization of the relationship between a man and a woman for the implicit scope of procreating. Society formalized (thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife, until death do us part, etc) this relationship because it was beneficial to society itself. A gay family does no good for society, because it cannot have a child, only "take" someone else's child. And harm him/her.

>Being gay doesn't mean you'll be a bad parent
Statistically yes, it does.

>>137714103
>Killing random people is not okay
Is it ok to kill cops if you're black?

What about chanting 'what do we want, dead cops!'

Fuck off Franko, your nation is a shithole.

>>137733128
You sound a lefty fuck who say no one can talk about their issues unless you fit into their group of trans, blm, gender w/e.

>>137733797
english Canada and America are culturally one country with two different governments

"canadian" indentity revolves around being "not american" and I've simply refused to see myself as "not american" and embraced the fact that there is no difference

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>>137714103
We want an ethnically homogeneous homeland for white people, just like every other race has. The majority of Asia is Asian. The majority of Africa is African. The majority of South America is South American. Yet people want to change the demographic majority in Europe/America to be non-European.

When users of this site see that discrepancy, we reason that there must be a coordinated force that is pushing the anti-white agenda specifically because of race animosity towards eurocentric peoples. In other words: some greater forces that don't like white people are purposefully trying to ethnically cleanse us from our own lands, just lawfully so. We see this as an affront to our culture, history, traditions, and way of life. For that reason, we have seen immense growth over the past few years, mostly starting with the Trayvon Martin situation.

I still say that none of this ever would have happened without all the race baiting and mainstream acceptance of anti-white racism. White people have simply been pushed far enough, we're sick and tired of hearing about how everything is our fault because it's just not true. Even normies in my family have began to echo these sentiments. The left created their own monster and now they are dealing with the ramifications

>>137733661
Than become a citizen . Get off the pot, or piss. Simple as that.

>>137733932
Click my ID and view my posts. If you were following the conversation than you will understand. Instead you go off half cocked sounding like a absolute retard.

>>137734395
its hard for white people to immigrate to the US. you need to pass the raise act so I can get in easier because I can speak english. either that or I marry an american. do you know any takers?

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>>137714103
Can I get a quick rundown on this car incident? A video I saw was of that red wagon charging through the crowd but the person in the charger is getting the blame even though he was being swarmed by lefties. Am I getting the right picture here?

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>le enlightened centrist

>>>/rebbit/

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>>137735594
n01c3 image m8. mind if i save?

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>>137734981
Check again, those policies change from administration, to administration. Fast track to citizenship is join the service son. We will take care of you.

>>137735714
wait can you join the army as a non-citizen?

>>137714103
EVERYONE SEE

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>>137735851
>Military
And yes. We have nationalized our recruits. One of the perks of joining. Did a big one on July 4th

>>137734981
I love that America has constitutional freedoms (for the moment) but we are "one culture/one language" 2 separate countries/government, as we have not even shed our Monarchal allegiance and are considered part of the British Commonwealth.
I can see its true you don't know the CDN constitution as well as the American, because if you did you'd know we are considered a Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy not a Republic … and our Head of State is the Queen (well King Charles now). Furthermore, we are obligated to go to war with Britain if requested by the British Government.. and we pay a yearly stipend of 55 million dollars to the Crown.
So nah, we're pretty fucking far from one government. I love America, Id love to have the constitutional protection they enjoy (momentarily) but I do like our healthcare system for all its flaws… If I could have both, Id definitely go for it.
Sadly you get either or.

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>>137714103
>I'd love to have a serious conversation

>i know 4chan is for trolling

>i want a serious conversation

kys faggot