How big is race realism in your country?

It's a very big deal here in Canada. Most people here agree with the scientific consensus that race is a social construct.

>>137588121
>race is a social construct.
>scientific
pick one

>>137588121

so is the nation state. people still respect the accompanying norms and identities.

>>137588298
If it makes you feel better the idea that all race research was faked is internally consistent with your belief that academia is a sham.

>>137588392
>"dem crackas be having Neanderthal caveman genes!"
>"race iz a social construct REEEEE"

>>137587976
90% hates gypsies. They do not hate blacks that much becouse there is not enough blacks to have any real experience. And our gypsies are actualy not that bad. Racist band Ortel win second place at national votes. Maybe you actualy need communism to get your nation redpilled.

>>137588392
yes academia is a sham for denying science and evolution, they are no better than the people who deny climate change in that sense.

>>137588874
Academia doesn't deny science and evolution. Scientists compared DNA from different populations and found out there's no scientific basis in classifying races the way we do.

>>137588121
>>137588392
Why do you guys make posts like this

>>137588121
Race is a social construct but so is the species classification. Scientists place extreme emphasis on reproductive compatibility as one of the core criteria of classification. Everything mankind sorts into a categorical system is based on socially prescribed features. Planets and moons are classified based on a dominance hierarchy with respect to orbits which feminists have said is a patriarchal notion because of the imputed value of dominance hierarchies.

Just because race is a social construct doesn't obviate the fact that race and clinal variation don't have real biological consequences.

Color is a spectrum as well and yet we do define discrete loci within the color spectrum to name particular colors like violet or green

>>137588855
Pretty much the same here

Our gypsies are worse though, especially on the east

We have racist party currently on 5th place with 9% of votes

>>137587976
is this guy German? i dont think so,theres something strange about his looks, and i mean (((()))).

also no one in argentina is race conscious but Germans and Poles living in colonies from the immigration era, only ones preserving their culture as much as they can. Normal white argentinian (and i mean real white) doensnt give a fuck, thats why this country is doomed. Mestizos will take over

>>137588121
Society is a racial construct

>>137590284
no idea what exactly he is, but he speaks normal German and he is very redpilled

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>>137588121
I just had an epiphany reading this post.

This whole "social construct" thing is like ultra subversive new age everything is relative garbage.

>>137589185
Except for the fact there's plenty.

the concept of race doesn't exist in my country beside the very different looking people like chinese and blacks

>>137589268
Sometimes, we just feel like breaking the jerk.

>>137589706
Modern taxonomy is done on the genomic level. Take it up with the geneticians.

>>137589893
Taxonomy is rooted in biology, race isn't. Race was invented and constantly redefined to suit social needs. It's now rendered obsolete by genomics. A Bavarian is likely to be more different from a Prussian than from a Breton; there's no monolithic German genomic identity. A Prussian is likely to be more different from a Galician than from a Sri Lankan; there's no monolithic white genomic identity. There are changes between populations, but they don't follow national borders or identities and are too small to warrant people of different races being considered separate.

>>137587976
the fastest growing party here is race realist.

>>137587976

Not very, the vast majority of people who are against immigration come from a pragmatic viewpoint, e.g worry about Islamic influence and some of the groups causing problems.

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>>137588121
> leaf

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>>137588121
>race is a social construct
>racism is a huge issue, race based privilege exist

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>>137587976
How big is it in yours?

I think it is big, the entire state is working hard to finally extermimate the German race.

JA!

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>>137587976
I'll say around 96%.

You have to take into consideration that our self hate phase was different than the rest of the americas.

>>137592260
"Social construct" isn't synonymous with "nonexistent".

I feel like majority of whites secretly are race realists in america if not consciously then subconsciously.

>>137592465
I know.

That's why I asked others to say how big it is in their country.

Have a nice day.

>>137591662
The differences do follow borders amd ethnic identities, just not absolutely. This is the same alternating appeal to nihilism/nirvana that always gets trotted out. "These categories are not absolute so they aren't real hurr durr". Instead of trying to refine the categories the Leftists want to pretend everyone is functionally the same and attack the geneticists whenever something inconvenient to this moral position comes up. This is done on the basis of ideology and not science. If it was otherwise you would not have the incessant moralizing.

>>137593197
Reported you to the local German authorities :)

>>137587976
Ukrainian biology textbooks tell there are 3 races - Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid.

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>>137591662

If race isn't rooted in biology then how can racial distinctions be made? How is racial profiling even possible? Race isn't a collective delusion, there is something demonstrably expressed at a morphological level that enables racial discrimination to occur and it is not a telepathically linked, arbitrary cast structure.

In fact assertions to the denial of morphological distinctions are considered, by Robin DiAngelo and anti-racist sociologist as "white-fragility"

Further more yes there is more variation within are putative racial group than between but the same is the case for isotype classification of immunoglobulins. We DO NOT, however, classify istotypes on the basis of their variable regions but we look to conserved regions to determine a schema: IgG, IgA, IgM.

There doesn't need to be a monolithic identity as there doesn't doesn't need to be discrete and segmented domains of visible color spectra.

We know race has serious medical implications, particularly with graft vs host rejection and real morphological derivations much deeper than skin with regards to pelvic floor or androgen receptor protein or risk of certain disease.

Also Robert Carter published in 2007 Genes, genomes and genealogies: the return of scientific racism? Science doesn't necessarily follow contemporary moral principles or trends like a revival of negrophilia

>>137587976
I think most of the norwegian people (white) have a subconscious understanding that shitskins are sub-humans but are too afraid to say anything publicly incase (((they))) out them out.

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>>137592674

Everything that has a referent that we can speak about is a social construct. There is no point in saying race is a social construct other than to play ontological games.

>>137587976
Race realism is bullshit though

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>>137588121
>>137589185
>>137591662

>>137588121
based leaf

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>>137594473

>german
there's your problem

>>137587976
Gypos make 90% of the crime, have 5-6 children and live on welfare.

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>>137594473
>Race realism is bullshit though
>poland
proxy or bait?

>>137593422
>The differences do follow borders amd ethnic identities, just not absolutely.
Borders and ethnic identities which constantly shift and which nature cares little about.

>Leftists want to pretend everyone is functionally the same
Economic dogma has nothing to do with biology. We used to think we were of the same species but perhaps of different subspecies and scientists tested that hypothesis times and times again only to invalidate it. There are minor variations from population to population, but they don't draw lines between the white race, the black race, or any other race you think exists. Biologists largely agree that the concept of race isn't useful because two random people of the same race are likely to be more different from each other than two random people of different races.

>>137594970
>Gypos make 90% of the crime

Citation Needed.

>>137596057
>citation needed
kek.

>>137596626
That 90% number is retarded and you pulled it out of your ass.
Gypos are lazy apes, they aren't gangsters.

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>>137596023
>Borders and ethnic identities which constantly shift and which nature cares little about.

But nature does care about it. Part of the reason there is so much ethnic violence in Africa is because European governments colonized the region and drew these allegedly arbitrary borders around different ethnic groups forcing them into artificial sociopolitical unions.

We are now beginning to realize that oxytocin promotes ethnocentrism, an ironic observation as love is biphasically linked to what we perceive to be today as hate.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract

We also know that separation is like the best way to reduce violence

>“Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups, allowing for partial autonomy within a single country. “

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095660

So no... nature DOES care about these things and it makes our environments much more miserable when we try to construct these hostile and alienating racial mosaics.

>>137594662
>>137594989

>treat people like literal animals
>they get better and better until 60s when they become demoralized like the rest of the country
>wonder that they're lagging behind

>Perhaps the most intellectually troubling aspect of The Bell Curve is the authors' uncritical approach to statistical correlations. One of the first things taught in introductory statistics is that correlation is not causation. It is also one of the first things forgotten, and one of the most widely ignored facts in public policy research. The statistical term "multicollinearity," dealing with spurious correlations, appears only once in this massive book

Race realism is bullshit for lazy people who don't bother to read anything about culture

>>137594206
>If race isn't rooted in biology then how can racial distinctions be made?
It can be made subjectively.

>How is racial profiling even possible?
Because society agreed on what each race is.

>denial of morphological distinctions
These morphological distinctions don't follow the pattern of race as a social construct. They follow human migration patterns.

>There doesn't need to be a monolithic identity
True but the arguments of so-called race realists hinge on these monolithic identities.

>We know race has serious medical implications
Patients reporting their race narrows down their possible ancestry and only provides a gross estimation of the likelihood of them possessing a certain trait.

>>137594459
You know what people mean when they say something is a social construct. It means it came into being from society and has no basis outside of society (i.e. science).

>>137594532
He's sharing his opinion in an interview. He didn't come to this conclusion after a rigorous study.

>>137598066
They use race cause they forbid the word nation, this it's a consequence of globalism, that's why they are historically called reactionaries.

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>>137597825

Blacks were getting better because they were isolated. Integration only made problems worse as blacks abandoned their own to transmit their investment capital toward white institutions bleeding black communities dry.

We have done the Ravens PM over and over again and from Cali to Capetown the same results persist in places where even whites have had dramatically less influence.

It's time to face facts.. Mother nature has killed 99.9% of her creations and she did not suddenly grow a conscious and become an egalitarian when she made humans.... There is no reasons to assume groups that have been geographically and sexually isolated for tens of thousands of years would be cognitively symmetrical

>>137597825
thomas sowell already btfo everything you said

fuck off nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-FqtAOSB8

>>137588121
Do other leafs not hate you for being such a retarded faggot?

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>>137587976
>How big is race realism in your country?
Banned by Constitution.

>>137597178
>ethnic violence in Africa
These people had separate national identities and colonizers forced them to coexist despite them having historic grudges against each other. In Europe, nations are indeed separated by topography (rivers, mountains, etc.) and cultural identity. In Africa, these things were ignored by colonizers who wanted simple borders that won't be contested by their rivals. This is a social and a political problem.

>>137596023

i want to know which biologists agree. not discussing it doesn't mean there's agreement.

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>>137598066
>It can be made subjectively.

Which is just as subjective as saying we should bias reproductive compatibility of organisms as a vital feature for delineating species with our approaches to taxonomy.

>Because society agreed on what each race is.

Society also agrees on what types fall under Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, and Genus.

>True but the arguments of so-called race realists hinge on these monolithic identities.
No because it's recognized white-identified blacks or mixed children tend to perform better on IQ accepting that the clinal variation has an intensity pattern as well with regards to expression of intelligence.

>You know what people mean when they say something is a social construct. It means it came into being from society and has no basis outside of society (i.e. science)

Again Science is cannot be decoupled from society and the impact it has on our perceptual frame, i said this earlier :

>Everything mankind sorts into a categorical system is based on socially prescribed features. Planets and moons are classified based on a dominance hierarchy with respect to orbits which feminists have said is a patriarchal notion because of the imputed value of dominance hierarchies.

>>137596023
Human behavior is part of nature, you dingbat.
>any other race you think exists
Again the way you talk about this shows you view this in a backwards moralizing way, the categorization is developed based on those variations, the fact that it doesn't conform absolutely to earlier less precise categories doesn't invalidate the concept. This standard that Leftists apply here is not used for any other method of categorization and is inherently anti-Scientific.
>muh Lewontin
It's clear you have some bullshit background in Boasian anthropology, you aren't even up to date on the topic at hand.

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>>137598831
>ople had separate national identities and colonizers forced them to coexist despite them having historic grudges against each other. In Europe, nations are indeed separated by topography (rivers, mountains, etc.) and cultural identity. In Africa, these things were ignored by colonizers who wanted simple borders that won't be contested by their rivals.

That's precisely WHAT i just typed. This is EXACTLY what i typed.

>This is a social and a political problem.

Which stems from outgroup distrust due to oxytocin and other factors in biology we like to ignore.

>>137596988
Retard. You are not worth arguing.

>>137597825
It's darkly amusing how many people take introductory statistics and then go around spouting 'correlation is not causation' without really understanding the relationship. You cannot have causation without correlation, and significant correlation on its own is sufficient for making a working predictive model. You do not need to understand precisely how gravity works to make accurate predictions about its effects based on partial information. The corruption of academia by these sorts of half-assed appeals to perfection (which are extremely selective in their application) is destroying the entire Western intellectual system.

>>137592646
How so?

>>137587976
Everyone are racists deep inside, even mestizos.
Interracial couples are rare, mostly mestizos closest to Indians marry Indians (people with majority native DNA), and those closest to whites try to marry whites or at least Arab diaspora.

But the identity crisis is high, mixed people worry to air their views fearing being called "race traitors" or "delusional niggers" and they really struggle to not sink in the hood mentality.

>>137599258
>i want to know which biologists agree. not discussing it doesn't mean there's agreement.
It's easier to name the biologists that disagree. There's discussion going on and research going on to this day. You can find recent papers on the subject online. This isn't a banned topic.

>>137599559
>taxonomy is subjective too
We have a clear definition of every taxonomic level. What is race based on? A set of traits? How do we decide how many races there are? Where does one race end and the other begin? We invented racial categories before we even knew what genetics were. They aren't based on science and trying to use science to justify these labels is doing things backwards.

>>137601546
>What is race based on? A set of traits? How do we decide how many races there are? Where does one race end and the other begin?
Again with the nihilism, this same deconstruction can be applied to anything. No category is absolute, nothing exists as a Platonic Ideal Form. This is only applied to race because of the political biases of people like Boas, Gould, etc., who admitted in their own writings that they were motivated by political ideology and not scientific curiosity.

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>tfw you live in a 95+% white country

I dont even care that it's post gommunism shithole now, we are the fucking future guise

>>137601546
>>We have a clear definition of every taxonomic level.
No we don't, we have an arbitrary definition that some random guys agreed on at some point in time. Why would we use that definition? What is the merit of it? What about all the special cases in between?

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>>137601546
>Further more yes there is more variation within are putative racial group than between but the same is the case for isotype classification of immunoglobulins. We DO NOT, however, classify istotypes on the basis of their variable regions but we look to conserved regions to determine a schema: IgG, IgA, IgM.

Again we do this for immunoglobulin isotopes. There is MASSIVE variation between isotypes otherwise our immune systems WOULD NOT be able to respond to novel antigens and unfamiliar molecular configurations from evolving infectious agents.

We DO NOT use the variable region of the macromolecule to classify the immunoglobulin BECAUSE the potential permutations are infinite of this region. It's ignored for classification because of this lack of specificity. Instead we use the conserved region of the immunoglobulin allowing for easy classification.

IgM, IgG etc.

This is clearly a valid system and not controversial but because of the hysteria in modern egalitarian society coupled with a revivval if 1920s Parisian negophilia it drives everybody insane.

>>137599908
>Human behavior is part of nature, you dingbat.
I never said otherwise.

>the categorization is developed based on those variations
We categorized people by race long before we knew a thing about biology, yet so-called race realists cling to these obsolete categories.

>Lewontin
He's not the only person that studied the topic.

>>137599921
People distrusting the Other doesn't validate broad racial categories formulated before medicine was a proper science.

>>137600995
You can make a lot of things correlate with each other without there being a causal link between them. You can't just pick the hypothesis you like best, test it, and call it a day.

>>137602199
>Nihilism
This has nothing to do with the philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life.

>No category is absolute
We can make clear definitions, something race lacks. Why do we factor in certain racial traits and why do we ignore others? Why don't we do things the other way around? This is all arbitrary. Categories help us understand the world and race, being inaccurate at best and misleading at worst, doesn't do that.

>>137604898
You clearly have no idea what correlation actually means in a scientific context. You also have no idea what an argument from nihilism is and went and looked up one definition of the word to try to split hairs. Your talking points are exactly the same drivel you were taught in intro Sociology, you have zero understanding of the topic. You should ask your school for a refund.

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>>137604898

The distrust emerges over biological factors that are expressed phenotypically and are conserved. Obviation of race as something real enables people to deny that these morphological distinctions have dramatics sociopolitical implications and promotes the assumption that we can simply disabuse ourselves from them through proper social conditioning.

Of course that is increasingly NOT working so our liberal nations must becomes increasingly totalitarian to facilitate this allegedly valued transformation.

>>137605349
If you believe scientific investigation should stop at the correlation coefficient, you might want to ask your school for a refund.

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>>137587976
How do you explain that the most whites in the Middle East (Lebanese) have a smaller IQ than Nigerians. Yemeni have a higher IQ than Iranians. Iraqis have a higher IQ than any country in the middle east except for Turkey and Israel. Italy is the less Nordic country in terms of genetics (they have more middle Eastern ancestry, highest component of Early neolithic farmers when compared to other populations in Europe) and yet Italy has the highest average IQ by quite a lot.

Source: https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

>>137588298
>race
>scientific
educate yourself, then kys out of shame

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>>137587976
Why are white people the most likely to point out racial differences in IQ when they don't even have the highest?

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>>137605590
>absurd strawman where he also obviously just googled the phrase 'scientific correlation' and ending with "no u"
You are having a tough time tonight.

>>137605679
Richard Lynn also compared brain sizes of regions in Italy and found out that Southern Italians who have more Middle Eastern and African ancestry also have smallers brain sizes and a lower average IQ than North Italians.

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>>137587976
dis whatchu mean

>>137605849
because Asians don't have to point it out because they don't get millions of people of lower IQ into their regions every year and also don't get called racist when non-Asians perform lower than them

>>137587976
pretty much everyone is racist here

>>137606029
Look at the map. North Italians are more nordic but they are still more Middle Eastern than north European countries. The racial classifications based on intelligence don't make sense.

>>137606154
there are also black female race realists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIFSD_WR6bU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDKoILB6I

>>137604898
>yet so-called race realists cling to these obsolete categories.
This. Personally, I really want to be racists. But I need to know what are the races. There has never been a single good racial taxonomy for modern humans so far.

>>137606290
North Italians are part Middle Eastern and part Roman.
What was the average intelligence of Romans (the early ones at least, not the mixed ones in the later centuries)? Must have been way higher than the average white intelligence today.
If you mix 130 IQ people with 80 IQ people you get 105 IQ people, 105 IQ people that are part low IQ shitskin so to speak

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pF/C3Zxm

how's the pay btw

>>137606186
pretty much

>>137605873
I didn't mean to commit a strawman fallacy. What did you mean to convey when you mocked the idea of correlation not always implying causation?

>>137606422
it feels like everyones beginning to accept it now, i swear even sargon was talking about it but with "muh equality under the law" shit
i always say, civic nationalism leads to ethno

>>137606422

Here is a bit more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gydSOhqg8TQ

>>137587976
It does here, all races are divided into "hoods" here. I am from south american descent and a mix of different races, so I am always the odd one out. The niggers, sand niggers, and dutchies all discriminate and stereotype me.

>>137606725
>If you mix 130 IQ people with 80 IQ people you get 105 IQ people, 105 IQ people that are part low IQ shitskin so to speak
Middle Eastern IQ in the ancient world was most likely higher than it is today. Islamic inbreeding occurred over 1400 years. Not to mention that the Sub-Saharan African component of North Africa was much lower and the European descending population much higher(courtesy of Alexander the Great and the Romans themselves).

>>137588121
>leaf

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>>137588121

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>>137588121
Quality cuckposting fellow leaf

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>>137587976
It's a week that medias are talking about a women who returned from britain with his black man and a mulato child.

The people can not digest it even with all the ''intellectual'' explanation

>>137605693

Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races.
http://web.stanford.edu/group/pritchardlab/publications/RosenbergEtAl02.pdf
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15508000
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622

>>137588392
>(((Academia))) has been as it is now since the start
>It didn't (((change))) the same time "race doesn't exist" did

Sometimes I wonder about Canada. I look at America and feel like a proud father (most of the time). I can do the same with Australia and even New Zealand. But then I get to Canada and think that there must have been some tomfoolery deployed at some point and then I remember - the French.
I look at America, Australia and New Zealand (to a lesser extent) and their Anglo pride. I see the great countries they created from the superior Anglo seed. Hell, even India vastly improved when the Anglo showed them how to (almost) act like people. And then I look at Canada and think "surely it must be down to the French". Surely it could not have came from we, the mighty Anglo, who gave the world the proud United States of America, the strong kingdom of Australia and the brave New Zealanders. Surely, heaven's to Betsy, the blame can not, and should not, be laid at any persons door other than the French who gave us Haiti, the Ivory Coast and French Guiana. Our penal colony turned into a world superpower. Whereas with French Guiana it's impossible to tell if it ever stopped being a penal colony.
Or if you want to look for answers closer to him "Trudeau" isn't an Anglo surname.
Very, very sad.