>spend centuries struggling against foreign domination >elect

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>>137571523

>t.plastic paddy

Didn't spend centuries struggling against foreign domination. A tiny minority did. Most people didn't give a fuck.

Didn't elect a gay pajeet. He was appointed leader of his party which is in government. He never ran an election campaign as party leader.

We have no mainstream nationalist parties. Sinn Fein recently announced they are no longer Nationalists and seek to pursue only Republican goals.

How did Ireland go down the shitter? Irish Americans. Pic related.

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>>137571523
>>137572079
sort of copying you but only plastic paddys truly give a flying fuck about it most irishmen and bongs dont really care as we are friends only plastic paddys get butthurt of it for ""muh opperession"" yet if ireland was to become one it wouldnt affect any american at all in the slightest

>>137572915
It wouldnt effect us because we already have our homeland. You lot cant even get your shit together and have your own little island.

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>>137572079
>>137572915
All right but what I'm hearing here is "DON'T TELL US NOT TO BE KEKS, IT'S OUR WAY AND YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT"

>>137571523
>spend centuries struggling against foreign domination
And? That doesn't mean you can't have gay heads of state and pro-refugees.

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>>137572915

Irish Americans care so much because of the "old country" stories they were told so often by their Irish parents/grandparents.

Historically speaking the majority of Irish people were peasants, just like the majority of English, Scottish and Welsh were. Peasants were always treated like peasants. Some Irishmen liked to make it out like there was an agenda against the Irish in particular forgetting that of course the Crown would crush anything that threatened the status quo.

So the 800 years of oppression thing is a meme. The English didn't even invade Ireland, the people that occupied them did. Even at that Ireland was more inherited by birthright rather than pure military conquest.

>>137573599
It's funny because penal land laws were imposed on England before they made their way to Ireland.

But we don't care, we don't live in the past, we have to build new technology, we have to invent, we have to go forward.

Other nations should do this and get over things, failure to do this results in Africa. No one wants to be Africa, not willingly anyway!

>>137573296

I don't get what your point is? As regards blacks and muslims etc, Ireland gets off lightly compared to other Euro countries.

You on the otherhand literally have a constitution that enshrines your right to take lethal action against government domination over you and never actually do.

The blacks and so in Ireland know there place and stay quiet. They even have to spend years in what is basically a concentration camp before they are allowed into society.

You should look after your own affairs. We'll look after ours.

>>137573934
Because I know my country is a wreck and I liked the idea of heading somewhere that I wouldn't stick out with my pale skin, red hair, blue eyes and surname

But it looks like that's off the table since every country is obligated to become a mulatto shithole

If I was a nigger I could write the same sob story of the "destruction and displacement of my ancestral homeland" and I'd be a millionaire overnight.

>>137571523
Its full of white people.

White people are insane altruistic virtue seekers.

>>137571523
A history of oppression made them side with the oppressed?

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>>137574333
again not your country it proves my point more stop larping into being irish

>>137575298
I don't know how you tolerate it tbqh.

>>137575298
Not really your country either anymore, is it?

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>>137575737
thats such a pathetic point of course it is i live,fuck,breathe,eat in this country and you know it helps being born and living here my entire life while having irish heritage everywhere i look it my family line

it is my country

>>137575298
I'll have you know I'm 7% Irish, I'm as much an irishman as you are.

>>137573915
Europe apparently wants to be Africa.

>>137576232
Our relations have improved over the past few years but this gay indian guy is trying to sabotage any progress made, he's acting like a retard and he's angering our people with his rhetoric.

>>137577137
Angela Merkel does, no one else does. Angela Merkel is ugly and probably a robot Jew.

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The anti-British sentiment makes groups like the IRA useful tools against the enemy, but ultimately the Irish are quite cucked.

They make good revolutionary soldiers but they can't run a government system.

The Germans are the best fit for that.

Germans as the head engineers of revolution.

Scandinavians as technical elves to build the support body of revolution.

And the Irish as trustworthy ground-soldiers.

>>137575298
>yfw I was born in America and have an Irish passport

Sucks to suck seamus, I'm coming to your neighborhood real soon

>>137577163
Luckly most of us here dont even like him including alot of faggots and very left wing people. He didnt even get elected which also helps the point that he doesnt deserve to be Taoiseach

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How come there are like 30 mln Irish in US and only like 5 mln in Ireland?
WTF

>>137577793
its because most """"""irish"""""" americans claim to be such even though they hardly have any ancestry literally 5% and they claim to be
full irish blood

even fucking american niggers sometimes claim to be a bit irish none of them are irish to any real extent

>>137572079
>see that guy from America who has some Irish ancestry, fuck those plastic paddys who admire our culture, they aren't really Irish
>see that nigger from Zimbabwe, he has Irish citizenship! He should be accepted for what he is, an Irishman.

every fucking time

>>137577572
Indeed, please leave the EU.

>>137578160
Lol keep dreaming Dęŕmot, the American invasion is coming. Your country only exists as an independent state because Americans wanted it to.

>>137577793
>30 million "irish"

>>137578354
probably wont happen ever for a long time sadly
unlike you we dont have are own independant currency to use and if we where to create one who could tell if it could stand on its own
plus alot of people just like the eu anyway there isnt much to convince them upon

>>137577793
Identity politics is big in the USA, they think by adding in an exotic prefix that they can score oppression points and avoid being tarnished with the racist brush because MUH HERITAGE, MUH WE WUZ OPPRESSED crap.

That's literally all it is.

>>137578160
I think one of my grandfathers was Irish, took a DNA test and came up fourteen percent Irish, can I come to Ireland :) I'm white.

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>>137578160
hey bro, my great great grandfathers wifes son was half irish. I want to visit my homeland ireland soon. Will I be accepted as one of you? Where should I visit

jk just fucking kidding you dumb nigger. get hit by a bus and choke on some lucky charms. you stupid potato nigger

Ireland would be better off under DUP rule tbf so would England, Scuckland and wales

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>>137571523
Jews. If you know who this guy is and youre not even Irish, youve made it as a /pol/ack.

>>137578869
This, but the Uk does have a loony lefty problem but at least many are somewhat anti-immigration

America is the land of shit

>>137579232
Alan Joseph Shatter (born 14 February 1951) is a former Irish Fine Gael politician who served as Minister for Justice and Equality and Minister for Defence from 2011 to 2014. He was a Teachta Dála (TD) for the Dublin South constituency from 1981 to 2002, again from 2007 to 2016.[2]

>Minister for Justice and Equality
SJW kike minister
>Minister for Defence
So he can propagandize the world as a defense minister of a country that would never be attacked, while also going after those ebil nationalists on home soil.

>>137579232
He got a load of death threats lol. Fucking creep.

>>137578809
You must leave before Merkel ruins you!

>>137578877
as much as i am hating on americans for larping right now i dont hate americans with irish ancestry
its just so fucking stupid when certian americans act like there more irish then irish themselfs and how they have a greater say in a country they probably couldnt point on the map yet they love so dearly

aslong as your not a sterotypical larping irish amerifat and just want to see the country for what it is your welcome baby <3

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>be me
>potatonigger
>born in ireland but moved to the states when I was 8 b/c dad couldn't find a job
>still just an Irish citizen, not even an American citizen
>completely Americanized, no accent
>I want to move back but I know I'll just get the plastic treatment
>mfw

>>137579495
st pattayyys day right m8? oi i get so drunk. it's my heritage oy.

greeen beer in sheeeeit.

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>>137579004
ok thats fine and all but can i atleast get a (you) for orginally posting that pic?

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>>137572079
>Didn't spend centuries struggling against foreign domination. A tiny minority did. Most people didn't give a fuck.
Load of bollocks, you're a west brit. 1918 election when a Nationalist party explicitly and violently against foreign rule came about for the first time electioneering, they won overwhelming support and ousted a moderate parliamentary party that had been dominating Irish votes for the best part of a century and more. Saying "a tiny minority" struggled while the rest of the people "didn't give a fuck" is entirely wrong and misleading, just because only a few men had the means and the resolve to take firm action, that action ranging from the violence of groups like the fenians and the moderation of the home rulers.

>>137571523
1. He wasn't elected
2. Sinn Féin have been infiltrated by Marxists and people who adhere more the the James Connolly sort of "nationalism" (without all the trappings of nationalism Connolly affected in the past because they're not 'necessary' today) since the Troubles when they were focused in the North, they're inheritors of the hardcore anti-treaty IRA men who had a large preponderance of socialists and Marxists.

>>137579495
>its just so fucking stupid when certian americans act like there more irish then irish themselfs

First of all, this never happens.

Second, your English is terrible.

>>137579495
Yeah Americans are surprisingly dumb :( some don't even know how many stars are on the flag, most don't even bother to learn our history :( makes me feel real bad because I'm such a proud American and can't believe these people don't care. And yeah larping as Irish seems to be common in America. I'm also Catholic too, but thats a different personal journey itself, mostly because of my Spanish, Irish ancestry, rest is random whiteness all over. Is Ireland still traditional Catholic?

>>137579865
>you're a west brit.
Technically all of Ireland is "West Brit" you're in the British Isles to the West.

U mad about that?

>>137571523
He wasn't elected you idiot. You don't even know how non-presidential parliaments work.

>>137579998
It does happen to a degree, and it can be annoying to see a watered down "fun-ized" version of your culture being promoted like its the real deal. I sympathize with that. However, D&Cing the extremely large number of Irish people in America (I think the diaspora is bigger than the numbers on the actual Island) is just not smart, its not helpful, to either side. Anyone around here who considers themselves Irish is an ally of Ireland, not some goofball who goes around in a green felt 10 gallon hat on St Paddys day doing pub crawls with niggers etc.

Some of us actually read the history and are proud of our heritage. Im not personally 100% Irish, but there are a lot of people who are. Irish took over entire areas, like Hells Kitchen in NY.

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>>137580396
That's not technically true at all, geographical terms are arbitrary, there's a multitude of different terms that are used for these isles.
Pretty juvenile of you, though that's what most British "nationalists" tend to be, kek.

>>137580102
its pushing away from it but as of yet i would say yes it is and even in northern ireland theres still a decent amount of catholics too and there even going to outbreed protestants soon but for the future ahead idk

>>137580396
The Island is called Britain. The Isles refers to things like the Isle of Mann. Ireland is not an Isle, which refers to a very small island or peninsula. Stress on very small. Try again.

>>137580759
>be irish nationalist
>brits out
>nigerians, arabs and north africans in

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>>137581005
When you get knighted by the Queen for your outstanding service to the Crown - youre no longer an Irish nationalist bud. Youre a traitor.

If anything, its the Queen responsible for PSFs stance on borders, which Irish nationalists do not agree with at all. They are called traitors, insulted in the streets. Martin is dead now, but Gerry is the same thing.

>>137580468
Nigga I'm 100% Irish ancestry with parents from Ireland itself, these people are just butthurt propoganda cases. They've been given the Israeli treatment to maintain the cohesion of their national identity. Jews in Israel feel special for being Jews in the Jewish homeland and their besieged/supremacist mentality is what convinces them to identify with the actual shithole they live in.

>>137581259
How many people actually showed up at his funeral btw? I didnt even hear about it. I didnt even hear he died, a nobody, a nothing, pissed on by the world and Irish men alike for his treason.

>>137581259
Why don't you irish just let the DUP rule over ireland. They are pretty much white nationalist.

>>137580774
Sad, I would try to keep that alive in Ireland, latin mass is so rejuvenating and uplifting like as if I stepped back into a time machine. Priest does good for our local spiritual flock.

>>137581417
no one is gonna listen to you untill you show your flag

>>137581297
Jews should go back to Israel, they are unwelcome in the rest of the nations.. and you know what, maybe Irish people should go back to Ireland, and French back to France, and Germans back to Germany. All our homelands are in trouble right now. Ireland only has about 5 million people, its one of the most easily destroyed and subverted nations. Small insular populations are always easily propagandized, its just like Canada. Ireland is vulnerable, and I would be 100x more likely to defend Ireland than I would to give a flying fuck about Canada burning to the ground.

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>>137581005
Which Irish Nationalists say this?
Keep in mind modern Shinners are Marxists of our new age and nationalists only for convenience.
A few quotes from Connolly:

>We are out for Ireland for the Irish.
>The stronger I am in my affection for national tradition, literature, language and sympathies, the more firmly rooted I am in my opposition to that capitalist class which in its soulless lust for power and gold would bray the nations as in a mortar.
>The most perfect world is that in which the separate existence of nations is held most sacred.
>...the frontiers of Ireland, the ineffaceable marks of the separate existence of Ireland, are as old as Europe itself, the handiwork of the almighty, not of politicians. [in reference to the "nation" of Belgium being a mere creation of politicians]

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>>137581417
Jews arent white.

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>>137580988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

Your move cuck boy.

>>137580759
Technically it's geographically correct, my dear West Brit.

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>>137571523
wait a decade or two when the IRA gets big again, but this time trying to unite Ireland as Emirate. (IIE, Irish Islamic Emirate)

>>137581805
I prefer Emerald Isle for us as a separate isle, more poetic, and just as "technically" correct considering both are arbitrary. North Atlantic Archipelago is also good for the both of us and not as political today.
:^)

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>>137581805
>links wikipedia
>already been btfo by another poster in regards to localized names

Your move, cultural marxist subjective truth Jew boy.

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>>137575298
>eurocucks again telling me about what race I am

>>137575737
how much of a windowlicker are you?

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Thought you guys might get a kick out of this.

If you go look it up it's a profile written by proud Dubliner "Dean Van Nguyen"

Disheartening to know these folks are so much more Irish than I am

>>137582043
All you have is emotional upset and pride at not wanting to be labelled as part of the British isles, that doesn't change the fact you are within our group of islands.

You belong to us, you always have and you always will. However much that might pain you inside.

>>137581997
No, you'll be called "West Brit" from now on, with every other Irish poster. Including Gerry (I fuck kids) Adams.

>>137582224
>windowlicker
See you even have our slang down as well. And here you are trying to tell me you aren't part of the British isles.

Oh you!

>>137577475
dont forget your wife shell enjoy good ol irish dick

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>>137582318
Could've said from the offset you were a brain dead orangeutan.

>>1137583981

>>137582392
>wife

Lmao you are not prepared.

>>137582473
whats wrong platic.. cant find one smaller than a landwhale? that why youre coming here?

>>137582421
orangutan*

>>137572079
>How did Ireland go down the shitter?
it never wasn't in the shitter. It's always been a shithole with shitty people. You hate irish americans because you actually get a good look at what how the irish act from an outsiders perspective.

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>>137581737
Total opposite. Im not having this discussion again, but even your quotes obviously spoke more of a National Socialist type of Socialism than they did for marxist socialism. Even the National Socialists had to take some ideas from Marx, they simply identify fatal flaws like its anti-national spirit from the get go. They were not marxist socialists, they were not "from the rich Irish to the poor Irish".

They were socialists in the sense that they were together and united in being Irish men in a nationalistic spirit. They were united in opposition of capitalism because they were opposed to foreign (anglo, Jewish) control of their domestic markets and land. They wanted no English land lords over Irish people, as Germany wanted no Jewish slumlords over theirs. He speaks of needing socialism as a defensive measure, to protect from capitalist control from abroad, from capitalist slavery of Irish people by foreigners. This is in line with National Socialist doctrine.

Connolly cared about the Irish nation, and about Irish men. He cared not about wealth redistribution. He cared about freedom and self determination. They only had Marx at the time, there was no Hitler. The Irish also sided with the Nazis during the war, many of them fought in Spain etc for Franco too. One only needs to look to the split between the Provisionals and the marxist Official IRA. The Officials pretty much didnt exist, and the troubles we hear about were attributed to the Provisionals almost entirely. The not marxists.

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>>137582243
Van Nguyen is a crazy chink who identifies as a chink, not Irish. Quite sure he's blocked me on twitter.
Don't be too bothered by west brits telling you you're not Irish, if you have Irish heritage that isn't just that 1 of your great grandparents was Irish, your kids could be Irish if you moved here and settled. You'll always be American though.

>>137582688
think you're missing the joke, maybe you aren't one of them

>>137572079
>How did Ireland go down the shitter? Irish
fixed it you potato nigger
>Most people didn't give a fuck.
>most were drunk and scared

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>>137582318
Nah, Im pretty sure Ireland is Irish and youre arguing like a Jew, which is typical, for someone who openly loves both Jews and Israel.

>>137579865
>1918 election when a Nationalist party explicitly and violently against foreign rule came about for the first time electioneering

Anyone who thinks Sinn Fein got the majority seats in 1918 for any other reason than the collapse of the IPP over conscription is retarded; had it not been for the execution of the leaders of 16, it would be about as relevant as the Anglo-Canadian risings or the Fenian invasion.

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>>137582849
>>137582318
Ulster UNIONISTS (commies) - a Jewish tool of white genocide.

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>>137582766

>>137582849
Nope it's part of the British Isles, facts are facts.

>>137582979
>>137582953
And the Irish are pro muslim, waving the Pally flag constantly.

>>137582792
>think you're missing the joke, maybe you aren't one of them
No I get it, I just think that when you're calling someone an idiot you should at least learn to spell.

Idiot.

>>137582679
Irish girls are easy and dumb as hicks, they can't have abortions, and Ireland recognizes a man's right to dissolve parental responsibility by disowning his children. That's why I'm coming.

The white race needs saving after all :)

>>137571523
>elect a gay Indian as PM
>elect

>>137582766
I've always thought of Connolly as a feigner of nationalism who just tried to appeal to more people to win support, either that or he was a product of his time and the interactions he had with men like Pearse, who he still considered a bourgeois Nationalist for not being socialist enough. Still a great thinker and Irishman (ironically you see liberals today spin the yarn about him being a Scotsman to make our founding fathers more "diverse" and such).

>>137582859
I never denied the influence of Redmond sending thousands of Irishmen to the trenches, conscription and the executions of the rebel leaders as factors contributing to the rise of Sinn Féin, what I'm saying is that if people "didn't care" Sinn Féin would never have gotten the support it got despite all that. Of course they cared, claiming otherwise is retardation.

>>137583341
Its funny because Americans don't seem to notice the 'I'm being polite but will you please fuck off' tone that almost every Irishman who speaks to them does.

You're all annoying, loud and boring as fuck.

>>137582366
strange, i never heard a paki utter that phrase

>>137583274
>>137582849
Guys its a fucking geographical term
i do disagree with it as ovbiously ireland isnt british as britian refers to the island itself but most people id like to think know ireland isnt british so the term doesnt truly bother me

>>137583274
>I get it
Well clearly not if you're talking about spelling errors, it was done in deliberately you monkey.

>>137583555
>I'm saying is that if people "didn't care" Sinn Féin would never have gotten the support it got despite all that

Nice trips; but no they didn't, they voted for what immediatley got them out of what ever situation they didn't want to be in, in reality they weren't all freedom fighters ready to throw off the tyranny of the British Crown.

During the Irish war, the RIC and Irish army battalions between them had near enough double the number of volunteers than the IRA, and thats disregarding the British volunteers who came over as Auxiliaries.

>>137583741
Its a funny one, British refers to Great Britain now because of partition, but could easily refer to the British Isles, as a lot of Ulstermen call themselves British.

All semantics really.

>>137573599
Underrated post, dissent has been crushed regardless of the location, countless times in England and Ireland. The peasants never enjoyed the benefits of the empire it was run for a select few.

>>137571523
This is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum.

>>137573599
based Paddy knows

Blame Diarmuid MacMorrough and James the Second for marching on reading.

>>137584233
Northern Ireland should be Ireland.
Galicia should be Portugal.
Swiss should be Germany.
Austria should be Germany.
Ireland should be UK.
Portugal should be Spain.
Belarus should be Russia.
Andorra should be Spain.
Sweden should be Scandinavia.
Norway should be Scandinavia.
Denmark should be Scandinavia.
Croatia should be Serbia.
Slovenia should be Serbia.
Belgium should be Dutch or French.
It would make the map of Europe less ugly.

Northireland has okay gunlaws

Ireland has probably the most restrictive gunlaws in eurpe behind spain and pootogal

North Irelabd wins

>>137583558
We notice, we just don't care.

My favorite is when they come to this country and get butthurt at people making polite small talk with them about their foreign nationality which they always mistake as emulation. When some oirish buttdart cops an attitude with me I always make sure to tell them about my parents ancestry and ask them if they can speak gaelic.

Go back to your country if you don't like it you tourist scum.

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Irish nationalism was undermined and co-opted by Marxists. It died. We are FUCKED.

>>137584333

>Austria should be Germany

How about no, I dont want to be part of Merkelland.

>>137584333
You should be mexico.

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>>137583865
>but no they didn't, they voted for what immediatley got them out of what ever situation they didn't want to be in
>this isn't caring
I understand the point you're trying to make about the majority of people being lemmings scuttling over to whatever position gives them the most material benefit, but that's incorrect in this instance, you don't have to have every man in the IRA for it not to be so. The War for Independence that you bring up proves this, without popular support all over the country the IRA could never have operated, they had the full cooperation of the people in the struggle.
To claim they "didn't care" would be to believe that they would have opted continually for the Home Rule party which was the safe option of parliamentarianism and peace rather than violent uprising which would inevitably happen as the British wouldn't just give Sinn Féin what they were out for in a completely independent autonomous Ireland. What mental gymnastics can you come up with wherein people voting for violent Nationalists isn't support for Nationalism and is them "not caring".

>>137571523
Marxism - not even once

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>>137584333

>>137584529
Southern US should be only Texas, Mississipi, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, New Mexico, Georgia, Florida, Tennesse, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia and Nuevo Leon in Mexico.

>>137584590
Well the IPP utterly collapses internally over conscription leaving no real option bar Sinn Fein who run on violently opposing conscription.

Secondly they don't function through mass support of populous, the fighting is almost entirely contained are Cork, Belfast and Dublin, and famously by 1921 the IRA are on their arse and are quick to sue for peace.

>>137584333
Although its a nice thought painting maps, the borders we have now are quite practical.

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>>137584620
Southern US is better than your shithole country. We hava Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, San Antonio, Jackson, Charlotte, Jacksonville, New Orleans and Miami with us.

>>137584620
We are just africans and british here. We are all baptist and not the racial confusion of northern us full of italians, germans, arabs, asians and catholics.

>>137584969
>Well the IPP utterly collapses internally over conscription leaving no real option bar Sinn Fein who run on violently opposing conscription.
There were options, if people "didn't care" they could've voted for the Irish Liberals or the Irish Tories, which they never did, they voted for the path to greater autonomy (they thought) with the IPP and full autonomy with struggle through Sinn Féin.

>Secondly they don't function through mass support of populous, the fighting is almost entirely contained are Cork, Belfast and Dublin
Dublin had hardly any fighting afaik, a good few IRA men came from Dublin and fought elsewhere though. You can't fight the way they fought in the War of Independence in Dublin. Fighting went on all throughout the country but the heaviest was in Munster, sure. Here's a map from the civil war period illustrating the spread of the IRA battalions/flying columns immediately after the WoI.

>and famously by 1921 the IRA are on their arse and are quick to sue for peace.
They were out of munitions which were in short supply all throughout the war, both parties were willing to come to a compromise at that point.

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>>137585933
forgot pic

>not one mention of the National Party

Sad!

>>137577793
"Irish" Americans outside of the northeast are actually Scots-Irish, which are North English/lowland Scots mix

>>137586680
Barrett's more concerned about his christfag agenda than Nationalism, he's taken on Nationalism because people like us are a growing base of support for him.
Don't trust it desu.

>>137585933
>they could've voted for the Irish Liberals or the Irish Tories

No they couldn't, they stopped contesting seats and merged into the Irish Unionists who supported conscription and the National Government (Liberal Unionist) and they do, they get 25% of the vote, as do the IPP but its the collapse of the IPP that give the election to Sinn Fein.

>>137585933
>You can't fight the way they fought in the War of Independence in Dublin

This is a pretty massive misconception and one that I don't blame you for having, most of the fighting occured in the cities namely around 25% around Cork's countryside but 50% of deaths are throughout Dublin city, Cork and Belfast. It wasn't the flying columns and rural guerrila Irishmen like the romatic image is

>http://www.theirishstory.com/2012/02/10/eunan-o-halpin-on-the-dead-of-the-irish-revolution/#.VcOT4_mqqkp

>They were out of munitions which were in short supply all throughout the war, both parties were willing to come to a compromise at that point.

The Anglo-Irish treaty was a pretty massive kick in the balls, the British government try sueing for peace throughout the entire thing because its massively unpopular at home but they can't be seen as giving into radicals, the IRA essentially agree to the 1912 bill apart from they lose Northern Ireland, become a Dominion abd get certain symbolic victories like the name change to the Free State and retain the Dail.

>>137585980
> Also pal that picture is from the Civil war, after the Anglo-Irish treaty between the Free staters and Anti-treaty IRA.

Not between the British government and the IRA.

>>137586812
Show me a better alternative and I'll support them.

Until then the NP is fine for me.

>>137575298
Leave Boston out of this cunt.

>>137586812
>muslim detected

>>137586853
If people didn't care they could vote for the Unionists as a more conservative party not bent on overturning the country, and the IPP wasn't out of the question just because of conscription, especially if the vast majority of people as you say were just looking out for themselves and their own material comforts. How are you working it around in your head if you accept that by voting for SF they were voting for violent uprising rather than parliamentarianism that they somehow didn't care or weren't nationalists and didn't necessarily want a separate independent Ireland but were just looking for what best provided for them, you can't even say it was the immediate threat of conscription felt by individuals that persuaded them since the war was over at that point and all that was left was the memory of it and rankling discontent.

>This is a pretty massive misconception and one that I don't blame you for having, most of the fighting occured in the cities namely around 25% around Cork's countryside but 50% of deaths are throughout Dublin city, Cork and Belfast.
Didn't know this, I knew about Cork a good bit because of what I'd read from Tom Barry's book, that's about the extent of it though.

>The Anglo-Irish treaty was a pretty massive kick in the balls
It was the best option all things considered at the time, only fuck up was in regards to the border committee years after the treaty.
Anyway dominion status > home rule objectively, it gave far more autonomy, it wasn't in any way comparable to the 1912 bill which was a shitty concession they were wont to give for decades.

>>137587038
I know that and mentioned it in my full post, the map illustrates the spread of the battalions all throughout the country.

>>137578809

Give it till we're out and someone will propose going back to 1:1 with the Punt and Pound exchange mechanism when the Euro comes crashing down.

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>>137579655
Looks like we got ourselves an illegal.

>>137588483
>since the war was over at that point and all that was left was the memory of it and rankling discontent.

The armistice was pretty unexpected, but the IPP collapse internally over conscription with the party supporting it and the Irish Unionists being mainly protestant landowners with full support behind the National Government; Sinn Fein were literally the only choice for the people at home opposing conscription, which was, as you know, brutally unpopular and Sinn Fein exploit it to the fullest.

>which was a shitty concession they were wont to give for decades.

No they intended to implement it immediatley till the Ulster Crisis and then World war one, it was you guys and the Hun that fucked that up, not us and the Anglo Irish treaty was implementation of the 1912 bill along with partition, like the Scots now, the bill was intended to create the Irish Parliament and powers to be descided by the devolved members.

>I know that and mentioned it in my full post, the map illustrates the spread of the battalions all throughout the country.

Its kind of irrelevant, then, by that time you had to pick a side, it wasn't the case of sitting it out.

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>>137588154
show flag and i will

>>137584428

2nd that - spent many a week in Limerick on business putting up with that attitude and not giving a fuck at all. They hated W so fooking much back then, and being from Texas and all, well - fun times.

All the while enjoying the brothel that is Ireland.

Do miss a Saturday hurling match though.

>>137586812
christianity built ireland and europe and now europe is shit because they dumped it and europe will get shitter and shitter until they bring it back

>>137589037
So your argument boils down to "people didn't care about an independent Ireland, they just didn't like conscription and the brutality of the government executions in 1916"? There's not exactly a metric we can judge the way people felt bar through how they voted in 1918 which we obviously interpret differently, and since there was no census on "why did you vote for Sinn Féin", what's the point of this?

>>137589037
>No they intended to implement it immediatley till the Ulster Crisis and then World war one, it was you guys and the Hun that fucked that up, not us
They intended nothing, the tories and the liberals accepted any excuse to delay Home Rule's implementation, allowing the Ulster Volunteers to arm unhindered while the Carsonites stated their intentions to violently oppose a democratic vote shows plainly their way of thinking in my eyes.

> and the Anglo Irish treaty was implementation of the 1912 bill along with partition
Having the status of other dominions like Canada provided far more autonomy than Home Rule

> like the Scots now,
I'm not aware of the situation of the Scottish Parliament and how much autonomy it has in governing domestic affairs independent of westminster, they have Home Rule though, correct?

>Its kind of irrelevant, then, by that time you had to pick a side, it wasn't the case of sitting it out.
It shows the existence of battalions outside of just Munster where the majority of the fighting was definitely concentrated, though they were generally berated by their comrades in Munster for sitting on their holes for the war. IIRC since the RIC abandoned most of its barracks fighting wasn't really required on every inch of soil, in Donegal or the central counties or Connaught, mainly just in places like Cork and apparently Dublin and Belfast.

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>>137571523
Ireland was a mistake. It is time to return all of the British Isles under British rule.

>>137591106
no england is shithole fll of pakis and rapists

>>137590871
>christianity built ireland and europe

Ever hear of the Roman Republic/Ancient Greece, which were wildly prosperous before Christianity?

Fucking kill yourself, you faggot.

>>137591106
> British rule
> that flag
kek, Britain is atheist and degenerate, they will make the country even shittier, you do know that the UK has over 8 million Non-Europeans, the first thing the UK would do is force colonize Ireland with Non-Europeans, the UK can be nuked into oblivion.

>>137591455
based of slave trade leaders where all child rapists fuck off bitch

>>137591553
Nice grammar, bogger retard. Literally no point replying to bogger posts. Retards.

>>137579865
>2. Sinn Féin have been infiltrated by Marxists

nope

Sinn fein was always marxist. I Knew them in the seventies (1970s, yes I am old) they were unreformed out and out communist - but hid it from the dumb yanks who gave them money. lol.

they really do believe in communism through and through.

>>137591634
your the retard here your not irish if your not catholic your a plastic traitor like the shitskins
and muzlems

>>137591455
>wildly prosperous
Go fuck yourself, 90% of people within the Roman Empire lived in the countryside, the same of the Roman republic. Rome only became a "great city" under Nero, but that city was built upon slavery, theft, and oppression.

Christianity made Europe great genetically and academically without having to live in autocracy and slavery.

>>137591840
and any good leaders the romans had where ((killed))

>>137580988
the island is not called Britain - the nation that subsumed all the island was called Great Britain - but Britain was England and wales - where the British tribes lived.

the British Isles (as a geographical term) has always included Ireland.

sorry you wrong

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>>137591716
Do you think Sinn Féin was created during the Troubles? That's when I'm saying the Marxists took over, Gerry Adams was openly in dalliance with and probably a member of a few Marxist parties if you read his books. Sinn Féin had all the moderates and Nationalists squeezed out of it over time until you get what we have in the North, they were shaved off by the treaty split and they were shaved off by the Army Council during the civil war when Fianna Fáil was formed, and they were continually shaved off up to the Troubles until you have a high concentration of pretty much nothing but radical socialists and Marxists who AT MOST put nationalism second or disregarded it entirely, which is a shame because the Catholic Irish in NI are and were very nationalistic.

Daily reminder the Irish Government is just the Free state re-branded.

Only the true Dail supported by the people and the IRA will bring Ireland any good.

>>137591018
>the tories and the liberals accepted any excuse to delay Home Rule's implementation, allowing the Ulster Volunteers to arm unhindered while the Carsonites stated their intentions to violently oppose a democratic vote shows plainly their way of thinking in my eyes.

Are you taking the piss? Gladstonian Liberals fought tooth and nail to get Irish home rule through the Lords and tried four times; the idea they delayed it is rather naiive.

>Having the status of other dominions like Canada provided far more autonomy than Home Rule

Its the same process.
>they have Home Rule though, correct?

No, they have devolved rule under the British Parliament, which is less than the 1912 home rule bill.

I still don't see the point of the last post; The vast majority of fighting is in major cities, and the IRA barely muster 15,000 men who do the fighting, they're not supplied by a rural populous for a rural war.

>>137572079
why does /pol/ have so many west brits, lol

>>137592191
>>137591018
>>137586812
this cuck is from /int/

>>137573599
>The English didn't even invade Ireland, the people that occupied them did
>t. West Brit
Just kys Anglo house nigger

>>137592811
Apart from the fact he's objectively correct, Diarmuid MacMorrough the desposed King of Leinster employs a duke in South Wales to help recapture his lands from the Irish High King and does so, allowing the duke (Richard de Clare) to marry his daughter and inherit the lands.

Richard de Clare is later declared a traitor and stripped of his title by King Henry the Second and the pope later grants the entire Island of Ireland to the English Crown as overlord. .

>>137571523
Backed into an ideological corner by painting the Anglos as racist colonialists. They then had no defence against pro-immigration nonsense.

>>137577793
AYOO HOL UP
>wears all green suit
S-SO YOU BE SAYIN
>spills Guinness
THAT WE WER
>uses word "craic" incorrectly
THAT WE WUZ?
>eats haggis on St.Patricks day because he thinks its Irish
THAT WE WUZ PAD-
>gets drunk and punches a midget
THAT WE WUZ PADDIES AN SHEEEIT?

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>>137592543
>Gladstonian Liberals fought tooth and nail
B O L L O C K S, they were prepared to facilitate it at best in exchange for the support of the Irish voting bloc residing in Britain (Labour were always complaining about them voting Liberal en masse to give Ireland Home Rule) and to get the support in Parliament of the IPP, if they thought they could delay it without losing the IPP they would, they didn't actually 'care'.

>No, they have devolved rule under the British Parliament, which is less than the 1912 home rule bill.
jij

>The vast majority of fighting is in major cities
In or around? Obviously I've been operating under the false impression given by what I've read (which makes sense now that I think about it given it was the biographies of men fighting in the country), but fighting couldn't possibly have taken place WITHIN Dublin City and Cork City, it would've happend around the country surrounding the cities where the RIC were concentrated after they abandoned their isolated barracks deep in the country. To conduct the war they conducted they would've needed local support.

>and the IRA barely muster 15,000 men who do the fighting
They couldn't arm even that much, arms shipments were blocked for us unlike for the UVF which had the help of the government. The amount doing the sporadic fighting doesn't need to be representative, logistically that'd be impossible because of what they were working with.

>>137592785
I haven't posted on /éire/ in like 5 months, too many queers. How is it?

>>137571523
>>elect a gay Indian as PM

Wasn't elected

>have explicitly "nationalist" parties that are loudly and proudly pro-refugee

Because Sinn Fein are ran by mi5 and only exist to keep NI unionist.

>>137593570
>if they thought they could delay it without losing the IPP they would, they didn't actually 'care'.

This is absolute Rubbish it's Gladstones most important legacy is his conversion to support for Irish home rule and his fanatical devotion to it; you'd have got it a lot earlier if you lot hadn't of screwed Parnell over his affair too.

>In or around?
Both, the IRA opperated in Dublin heavily out of the Monto funny enough.

>unlike for the UVF which had the help of the government.

Again this is pretty much arse, the Larne gun-running is supported by certain Northern Irish individuals who use their power to slip through the nets but it isn't Government supported, nor was the arming of the irish Vlounteers in the same year.

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>>137594089
>Because Sinn Fein are ran by mi5 and only exist to keep NI unionist.

You've found us out

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>>137571523
The people did not elect that wanker . Enda Kenny resigned and this guy was elected by his Party to take over . Next election he will be gone . They only have 22% of the vote and need Fianna Fáil to prop them up . A housing crisis hospital crisis and homeless crisis and austerity will bring this government down then we will see change

>>137573934
>Ireland gets off lightly compared to other Euro countries.
True for the time being, but by the looks of it your gonna get shafted pretty hard soon. Might just be memes but Ireland looks like it's gonna be the next Sweden or Germany.

>>137594704
Londonstan a white minority . I won't let that happen here . Up the RA .

>>137594309
>Gladstone
>fanatical support for home rule
Is this what they teach in br*t schools?

Was the Church and the Jews that did that to Parnell to keep the Gael down.

>isn't Government supported
>does nothing when UVF arm
>does nothing at Larne
>1 (ONE) shipment comes for the Volunteers and they throw a fit
They were tacitly in favour of the Unionists and Carson, by their acquiescence in the gun running for Unionists and the Curragh affair, where all officers retained their positions despite flagrant disobedience of duty.

>>137572079
>Sinn Fein recently announced they are no longer Nationalists and seek to pursue only Republican goals.
>in a republic
So you mean agitate against the UK and reunite Ireland?

>>137581005
no nigerian ever called me spudnigger

>>137595031
>Is this what they teach in br*t schools?
Reminder he destroyed his own party over it

>They were tacitly in favour of the Unionists and Carson, by their acquiescence in the gun running for Unionists and the Curragh affair, where all officers retained their positions despite flagrant disobedience of duty.

This exact same thing happens with the Irish units and nationalists at Howthe, the British government has literally no way of stopping it.

>>137595512
kek

>>137593570
its in bad condition
i found the rats nest hiding they never maintain /eire/ /pol/ and it ended up there was an american lad and a few sound english lads ((not cucked)) that kept it going along with about 4 irish lads in each thread its after dying

the irish people in /int/ are all anime fags and the faggots said that irish threads where shit and they /pol/ drives over cars
came back later and baited them most of them are from /eire/ but are too fucking lazy to maintain a thread any threads i start get archived or someone calls me a faggot

i

>>137571523
>elect a gay Indian as PM

We didn't, it was an internal appointment. As cucked as we are he wouldn't win a real election, he fucked the accommodation crisis and everyone knows he's a sexless, soulless creature cooked up in a Fine Gael lab.

Any of you lads know if folk still join Na Fianna Éireann?

Seems like a comfy thing desu nationalist youth given a place to meet

>>137595731
His party needed the IPP to stay in power.

>This exact same thing happens with the Irish units and nationalists at Howthe, the British government has literally no way of stopping it.
They attempted to stop it, they were just too late, and compared to Larne the shipment was tiny with only 1,500 rifles compared to the 25,000 and 3 millions rounds of Larne. They also fired on a crowd of civilians that were berating the soldiers that had come too late to stop the shipment.
Compare this to Larne and other instances, which I think Connolly sums up well:

>A final consummation to all this pitiful compromise and treachery to a people’s hopes is the gun-running of the past few weeks. A ship sails into Larne Harbour one fine Friday evening, and immediately the Ulster Volunteers take possession of that town and seaport, the Royal Irish Constabulary are imprisoned in their barracks, the roads are held up by armed guards, the railway stations of Park Road, Belfast, of Larne, Bangor and Donaghadee are seized by the Ulster Volunteers and thousands of stands of rifles are landed together with a million rounds of ammunition. Along with the landing at Larne vessels are used to tranship arms and ammunition from the original gun-running steamer and land the cargo so transhipped at Bangor and Donaghadee. Some hundreds of motor cars were used to convey the arms and ammunition to safe places, that night, and the same motor cars worked all day on Saturday conveying them from temporary resting places to more secure and handy depots throughout Ulster.
[1/2]

>>137596440
>In a few days afterwards the affair came up for discussion in the House of Commons. The Liberals stormed and raved, and the Tories laughed. Why should they not? All the laugh was on their side. Then up rose again the hero of the Ulster Hall – Winston Churchill. He screeched and shouted and perorated and declaimed about law and order until one might have thought that, at last, a wrathful government was about to put forth its mighty powers to crush its unscrupulous enemy. And then, having attained to almost Olympic heights, Mr. Churchill ended by cooing more gently than sucking dove and blandly assured the Orange law breakers that he had not yet reached the limits of concession – he was willing to betray the Irish some more. If they would only let him know how much degradation of the mere Irish would satisfy them, he would try and work it for them. And Parliament adjourned, wondering what it all meant.

>Now let me put the situation regarding the gun-running to any unprejudiced reader. Can anyone believe that the gun-ship, the Fanny, which had been reported at Hamburg a month before its appearance at Larne and the nature of its cargo known, could keep hovering around these coasts for a month without the Government having it under close supervision?

>Can anyone believe that if this gun-running feat had been attempted at Tralee, Waterford, Skibbereen or Bantry and Nationalists had attempted to imprison armed Royal Irish Constabularymen in their barracks that no shots would have been fired and no lives lost?

>>137595763
Are you pissed or phone posting?
So the anime negroids are still about.

>>137596440
>His party needed the IPP to stay in power.

For a short time in one of his Premierships; not indefinitley; not to be a twat mate but you don't seem to be too clued up on the Liberals, considering you weren't aware of the circumstances on the 1918 election.

Also the second part though I take the point rather backs me up, the Government condemns it but recognises they can do nothing, and I also take the point that Soldiers clearly allowed them through the lines and refused to fire on them; but this is also the case in Howth; when Soldiers did come to review the shipment a crowd attacked them and they opened fire.

Sympathises were stronger in the North and their support widespread as you tell of the public confining the RIC to their own barracks, with the Ulster Covenant having 237,000 signatures

>>137596499
Also draw your attention to this little snippet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howth_gun-running#Comparison_with_the_Larne_gun-running

>>137577214
She will destroy Germany . She sa communist . I have seen pictures of her at their events when she was young . We don't want Islam sharia law or migrants taking over the uk or Ireland I suggest we fight alongside each other like at Waterloo . France too needs to kick people out of Calais. No more replacement of our people's

>>137595512
One of them said to me the Irish are the blacks of Europe . So I said fuuuuuuuu reeeeeeeee

>>137597172
>not to be a twat mate but you don't seem to be too clued up on the Liberals
I know they were reliant on the IPP for some time, thinking Gladstone actually gave a second shite about "the Irish question" outside of how it would effect his party is naive of *you* though.
My point still stands on the Liberals in the election as a matter of argument, if you think that the Irish people didn't care about Independence they would've voted moderate despite conscription and the propaganda of Sinn Féin, and that means Unionist or Home Rule.

>and I also take the point that Soldiers clearly allowed them through the lines and refused to fire on them; but this is also the case in Howth; when Soldiers did come to review the shipment a crowd attacked them and they opened fire.
?????????
It's the same because the opposite happend? Despite the RIC barracks being blockaded by the citizenry nobody died, yet people died at Howth AFTER the guns were already successfully arrived when the Borderers fired on a crowd who were jeering at them.

>Sympathises were stronger in the North and their support widespread
Support was widespread here, you just deny it for retarded reasons like hurr durr no other parties, when people could easily have voted for the IPP despite their misgivings from wartime.

>>137596688
yep the infestation is there they also larp as nationalists in here sometimes

>>137599506
I think we're talking about different people then, none of them were Nationalists, one or two were commies and the rest liberals or le centrists from what I recall.

>>137577265
How LARPy can you fucking get heaven have mercy

>>137599679
i think it was 2 from /pol/ in there because i lured them with a shill post

>>137578314
That's what I noticed too. Germans do the same thing.

Michael Schmidt from the USA? "lol fuck that amerifat

Mehmet Roach from the Turkey? "Hey welcome brother!"

>>137571523
What do you expect from cathocucks?

Imagine the largest amount of smelly brown cocks your brain can process. This is nowhere near enough for the average pagan, idolater cathocuck. They need all of those in their ass yesterday and many more for tomorrow.

>>137600863
he wasnt elected and the ((media)) is doing the job the british could never do

protestants are cucked

wait until they invite the foreigners in and they arent the english this time