ID laws, what's the big deal with showing your ID in the US?

Liberals are insane. That's it.

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>>137544376
Niggers are too dumb to get an ID ahead of time. Then they chimp out if you ask them for the ID they don't have or are told they have to go get one

Because there's only one time when asking for ID is racist and it's voting.

because voting IDs DISPROPORTIONATELY affect OPRESSED MINORITIES due to INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM

>>137544555
Wrong. You need an ID to get welfare.
Or alcohol. Or lottery tickets. Or smokes.

Well surely they don't do any of that.

>>137544376
Democrats/leftists use lack of voter IDs to cheat and get an advantage.

It's the same reason they want illegal immigrants in the country. More illegals means more votes for them.

>>137544902
This, and it's literally backed by buckleloads of scientific data evidence.

>>137544923
I don't know about welfare but no ghetto gas stations card.

>>137544376
it's grotesque indeed, here in italy we have to show ID as well and no one ever complained about it. it's a typical case of manufactured dissent fabricated by the establishment media

>>137544902
>because voting IDs DISPROPORTIONATELY affect OPRESSED MINORITIES due to INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM

Yeah, I do not really understand that. How much does an ID cost in the US? Do most minorities not haven an ID?

>>137544376
borders are racist. everyone in the world deserves to decide the us president

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>>137545029
>>137544902

>>137545138
>borders are racist. everyone in the world deserves to decide the us president

I do not think this is quite true. Yes, everyone in the world should be able to pay money for US campaigns, but the actual voters should be American citizens in line with the US constitution.

>>137544376
Because responsibility is an intrinsically white trait, so stupid minorities won't turn out unless we hold their hands
Also, dems want illegals voting for them
Can't do it if they IDs

>>137544376
There is no big deal, in the modern age showing ID to vote should be mandatory.
The left simply wants to paint this as a race issue because illegals vote their way.
Same with immigration.

>>137545529
>because illegals vote their way
And those too dumb to obtain/handle an ID; i.e. minorities.

>>137544902

Just like us with our manditory voting that requires ID.

>>137544376
I find it out very hilarious, that USA does not have ID laws. Almost every nation has them.

>>137545116
They're free

>>137545658
>And those too dumb to obtain/handle an ID; i.e. minorities.

Is this seriously an argument? Are people really saying blacks and Hispanics are too stupid to get an ID, even if they are US citizens?

Really?

>>137545856
>They're free
So explain to me how minorities apparently do not have an ID when they are US citizens? I mean, this is the argument, no? That people claim if you are a US citizen but don't have an ID, you do not go voting and getting an ID is just too damn cumbersome.

>>137545862
Something along those lines.
The left doesn't want voter ID laws because minorities would have a harder time obtaining and maintaining them.
It's like an extreme form of patronizing, and people actually buy that crap.

>>137545862
It's never explicitly stated but it is implied and commonly understood. That's what the harping of "it disproportionately impacts muh poor people and minorities (IE low IQ people.)"

>>137545964
The problem is stupid ass niggers and spics either don't get, or misplace their IDs and because dirty ass spics were making fake IDs in our motor vehicle bureau, they now only make them in secure facilities which means they must be mailed which takes 1-2 weeks. So the poor oppressed minorities neglect to get a new one in time to vote.

>>137544376
In america, any roadblocks you put between the person and the polls is intrinsically believed to be against a group of people(I.e. Niggers and immigrants).

If you make them get ID, they won't vote. Lazy.

>>137546265
>So the poor oppressed minorities neglect to get a new one in time to vote.

I have 3 different IDs (a passport, a personal ID in card format and a driver's license). Are you saying the problem is that minorities lose ALL 3 of their IDs and that is why they cannot vote? Because here in Europe, you can get a temporary ID by just showing your birth certificate - or you can get a rush job and wait for your new ID and get it on the same day or next day.

>>137546007
>The left doesn't want voter ID laws because minorities would have a harder time obtaining and maintaining them.

Dogs can be registered and chipped. If minorities lose their IDs so often, why not introduce a chip-program in which they are have the option to have an ID chip implanted in their right arm, which cannot be lost.

>>137544376
Cause getting an ID can be difficult without a fixed address so it effectively excludes the poorest and most financially unstable people from the one of the few rights they have which is just fine for the right but not for the left.

>>137547524
Honestly, if you can't manage a fucking ID, you don't deserve to vote.

>>137546007
if you can't obtain and maintain your ID, maybe you're not qualifed to vote in the first place

>>137547872
Absolutely.

>>137547821
>Cause getting an ID can be difficult without a fixed address
Really? Why would you not get an ID without a fixed address? That sounds completely unconstitutional to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odB1wWPqSlE

>>137548240

>Why would you not get an ID without a fixed address?

I'm wondering this too. Based on the information from the government website, it sounds like it shouldn't be a big issue. These are the simple steps to obtain an ID:

>Visit a Secretary of State office.
>Present proof of a valid Social Security number or a letter of ineligibility from the Social Security Administration.
>Present proof of identity, U.S. citizenship or legal presence and residency.
>Pay the standard state ID card fee if not exempt.

>>137548555
>>Visit a Secretary of State office.
>>Present proof of a valid Social Security number or a letter of ineligibility from the Social Security Administration.
>>Present proof of identity, U.S. citizenship or legal presence and residency.
>>Pay the standard state ID card fee if not exempt.

Yes, that's a bit like how it works here.

Either present an existing ID to get a new one, if you lost that, then you need to provide a birth certificate and if you don't have that, get anything else.

Also need a photo and pay the card fee of a few euros - which you can be exempted if you are poor.

>>137544376
liberals think any US resident should vote, and they know that voter ID laws mean only US citizens will get to vote.
They can't get the law to change because only citizens vote
and they can't get the courts to overturn it like they did gay marriage because citizenship is covered in the constitution.
So they're just fighting as hard as they can to try and get as many non-citizens to vote, since they tend to vote democrat.

>>137549308
>So they're just fighting as hard as they can to try and get as many non-citizens to vote, since they tend to vote democrat.

I think it is both non-citizens voting and lazy people who actually do not bother to get an ID or lost it to vote... and gets some SJWs who vote 4 or 5 times. It is a combination of all of this. There apparently really are a lot of Americans without an ID.

I think the best strategy for Republicans would be to do a 12month "get your ID on a Sunday" campaign. That is in each state, open the ID office on Sundays and hand out IDs for free - anyone who still does not bother to get an ID is an illegal. Demand that everyone has an ID just like here in Europe.

>>137547390

IDs typically aren't free by default in the U.S., although any areas that do require I.D. to vote are forced to offer free IDs(as it could be considered an unconstitutional poll tax otherwise).

Most people get their driver's license and use that for their ID. Disregarding the initial cost of getting licensed to drive, replacement licenses cost about $20-30. Generic, equivalent, state ID cards cost the same. An ID of this sort is needed to function as an adult in modern society and almost everybody posses one.

Passports are quite a bit more expensive ($100+) and most people don't bother until they are planning on traveling outside the country for the first time. They are far less ubiquitous than they are in Europe as most people here never leave the country.

The "voter ID laws are racist" argument is one of the most shameless, morally bankrupt arguments that leftists make. It is saying that black people are more likely to be unable to vote because they don''t have an ID and that the left would rather enjoy the minor electoral benefit the status quo provides instead of implementing the logical, common-sense system that the rest of the world uses that would actually provide a tangible side-benefit to these people that don't have IDs(in that they would get free IDs).

>>137547821
what the fuck are you talking about?
"Fixed address" is a place you regularly return to, and really only applies to voting.
If you are a vagrant travelling from town to town, with no residency, then no, you dont get to vote in a county you do not contribute to, or are affected by.
To get an ID, a lot of homeless are able to use their local shelter as their address, and rarely does one need something like a utility bill.
Also, generally speaking, the states that push voter ID are the ones with the least obstacles for IDs

>>137549737
>The "voter ID laws are racist" argument is one of the most shameless, morally bankrupt arguments that leftists make.

I just checked youtube on the issue and apparently whites are truly racist... according to blacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDM-44Zb8w

Also, why do blacks talk so different to whites in America? Here in Germany, blacks and non-whites have the same stupid Prussian German accent than white Germans.

>>137549660
>I think the best strategy for Republicans would be to do a 12month "get your ID on a Sunday" campaign. That is in each state, open the ID office on Sundays and hand out IDs for free
when republicans tried something similar, they were still yelled at for being racists
LIke, seriously. They can give away IDs for free to anyone who's poor, and they can open up special "get your ID today" offices, and the left still cries foul.

The left doesn't object to IDs because they aren't easy to get. If that was the issue, the dems would simply add things to the law to make it easier.

They shoot the law down every time though.

Also, no, not a lot of voters don't have IDs
a study showed that about 10% of US residents over the age of 18 didn't have an ID, and used that to claim 10% of the voting population didn't have ID
They completely ignore how that number is the MAXIMUM voting population.
When you adjust for those who cannot legally vote (felony, recently moved, etc) that number goes way down.
Like down to 2%

>>137550125
America is fuck-huge
I live in texas and people in Dallas have a different accent than people in houston, or El Paso

Black people in america tend to be from very specific big cities, and develop their speech patterns from those cities.
Chicago, Atlanta, etc.
While in NY, especially NYC, a lot of the "white" population is first or second generation

NYC constantly has people moving in and out of it, but the black population tends to stay.

So it's probably closer to say the rest of NY has a different accent than the black people of NY than vice versa

>>137547524
It seems that the people who tend to lose their ID card are the people who want to vote for democrats. Status: unsorted (or illegal)
Really made me think.

>>137550838
>When you adjust for those who cannot legally vote (felony, recently moved, etc) that number goes way down.
>Like down to 2%

Just make having an ID mandatory. I don't see the issue. You need to have a bank account, no? Don't you need an ID to open a bank account? Same for a mobile phone contract. Who doesn't have a phone?

Are we just talking about people living on the street? If so, then I think it is even more important to get them IDs, because those are often criminals or illegals.

>>137551104
>I live in texas and people in Dallas have a different accent than people in houston, or El Paso

Interesting. In Germany we pretty much have a uniform accent for the masses - a very annoying Prussian German accent. The last remnants of Bavarian or other local accents remain among old people and people in rural areas and interestingly enough among the elites.

>>137545109
And tessera elettorale too

>>137551308
When I learned German I learned it partly from an American teacher (who I think went to Berlin) and a Swiss relative, so now I can only really write in it and sound like shit speaking it

>>137548526
>I feel like [black people] don't know how it [the internet] works

Kek, not even /pol/ is THIS racist.
Liberal are really mentally ill.

>>137544376
Progressives believe that proving you are who you claim to be is racist.

>The strict Indiana ID system, for instance, accepts only five forms of ID: an Indiana driver’s license, an Indiana ID card, a military ID, a US passport, or a student ID card.[115]

This is "strict" by American standards? What do states usually ask? Your personal signed diary?

>>137545862
The Californian Hispanic enclaves might as well be extensions of fucking Mexico. Not even police really expect people here to speak any english, or carry any form of identification. An illegal can live a day to day life as a "working American" by playing "no speaky" with Police. Same for voting, too. Just show up, say you're an American in spanish, and check your box

>>137551308
wait another 15 years and you'll start noticing a few new accents due to your refugees outreproducing your native pop
>>137551195
the left just refer to hypothetical "poor" people
the kind that don't have an education, or the internet, or bank accounts, or jobs
the 0.01% of the population
but since they just refer to them as "underprivileged minorities" everyone thinks they're talking about the 25% of people in the lower class.
In the US, the left used to be the super racist party, that supported eugenics and slavery and stuff.
a few decades ago, when they realized they lost the fight and now women, blacks, etc all had the right to vote, they just started claiming it was the republicans who were racist.
This was because Nixon won 49 out of 50 states, so any "racist" state could be blamed on the republicans, since Nixon won damn near all of them
Then with Nixon being shamed into resigning, the republican party had such bad press that they couldn't defend against any of the lies the left made
so they just kept calling them sexist, racists, etc.

It's how they kept winning elections, until they got Obama elected, and the whole country got fucked and started voting red at every level.

>>137554038
>and the whole country got fucked and started voting red at every level.
BREAKING NEWS: Clinton got more votes than Trump.
You Americans don't even know the results of your elections...

>>137545862
You would be amazed.

>>137545862
yes, and people buy it in droves out of fear of being labeled "racist"

>>137544376
this is more of the bigotry of low expectations in action. There is nothing stopping anyone from getting a government ID, save a small fee and some time.

>>137554263
Trump won 98% of counties
and I said "at every level"
Republicans currently have
The Presidency
52% of the senate
55% of the house
64% total control over state legislatures
68% of state governors
Ever since Obama was elected, republicans have made huge gains, while their losses have been few and far between (a seat here or there)

>>137544376
Impossible to get IDs because they just don't have time to get Driver or State IDs. Also the fact that it costs time and money to get the ID.

Republicans claim they will create waviers so they are free, but they almost never follow through and thus create defacto and unconstitutional poll taxes on the poor.

>>137555056
>Trump won 98% of counties
Because Americans can't into math and you have one of the most twisted electoral system on Earth. It was good when you needed an horse to travel American from side to side and communicate the result of the voting, now it is just stupid and twisted and every 8 years it gives you problems.

>>137555346
State ID in Italy costs 5€ (or 10€ if you lose it and need a new home). How much can it cost in America? It is just a piece of paper with a stamp not a gold plated credit card.

>>137555614
Also how can you get a driver license without an ID?

>>137555614
$20-$30, which is a still crippling because so many people live paycheck to paycheck and also don't have the time to go to a government office in order to apply (Takes a day because so many people are always there.)

No, you need an ID. And the ID can also be a driver's license. But you don't need your ID to vote, only proof of residence.

>>137555523
Our system is REALLY fucking easy
we have a popular vote in every state
winner of that popular vote gets the state rep to vote for them
whoever has the most wins

Trump had the most, because he won the most popular votes

We aren't one country, we are the united STATES of america.

There is literally not a single thing the entire country population votes on. All voting is contained within a state, or by elected officials from that state.

>>137555646
If I remember right, getting my license way back at the age of 16 required presenting my social security card and birth certificate. You had to go with a parent, too, and I'm pretty sure my father had to show his ID to confirm the address.

>>137544555
This is a leftists meme. The Democrats racism becomes apparent when you ask them why voter ID is racist/prejudice
>"Because minorities don't know where to go to get them or something"

There was a video where someone literally was walking around asking niggers and spics if they knew where to get ID's and they would answer "right over there at the DMV"

Demoshits AGAIN are just using "racism" as an excuse not to have their illegal voting base taken from them.

>>137555614
16 in Texas (6 if you're a senior)
so pretty comparable to your replacement fees

I love buttblasting retarded shitlibs by baiting them into their smuggie "oh i wish we had Australian Healthcare and Gun Control" state then just dropping that we have voter ID.

Fucking India can manage it for gods sake, if niggers are dumber than Indians they don't deserve to live.

>>137557015
>In Australia, where voting is compulsory for all adult citizens, no form of ID is required to cast a ballot at an election; instead, voters are asked three questions before being issued a ballot, so that they can be checked off the electoral roll: (1) what is your full name; (2) where do you live; and (3) have you voted before in this election?[1] On election day, voters can vote at any polling place in their state of residence, and at selected polling places in other states.[2]

How does the State avoid people voting N times by telling different names? Do they check after if what you said was true?

>>137557309
Wtf? Im always asked for ID for federal elections.

>>137557309

Every polling location has volunteers with a big ass roll of everyone in their division, with multiple polling places per division, they check your ID and cross you off. They then compare the rolls during the count and if you've been crossed off at multiple places you get 15k fine or 1 year in jail.

>>137557937
Pretty much what happens here. Only difference is that we have sections for every town and you have to vote ONLY in the section you are assigned to. Also they put a stamp on your "tessera elettorale", which is a document you need to have to cast a vote.

>you get 15k fine or 1 year in jail.
That is harsh but fair..

>>137558136

IIRC 90% of our 'Voter Fraud' is clerical error and the other 10% is old fogies forgetting they already voted.

>>137557937
>>137557309
Oh it occurs to me that since we have 100% voter turn out that it would be impossible to vote twice as it would be highly obvious.
Unlike americans impersonating the dead or non voters.

>>137546265
When you get an ID, they give you a temporary paper one (100% legal) while your real, laminated, watermarked one gets made.

That is, you can instantly get a new ID if you have the correct qualifications.

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>>137544923
Listen buddy the Hillary campaign said blacks are too stupid to get IDs so thats proof enough for me.

>>137545964
They are not always free, depends on the state. In mine for example they are the racist price of $8.50.

>>137557854
No one ever asked for my ID. Just my full name.

>>137544376
Dems don't want ID laws because they know that such laws would kill a large portion of their voter base by preventing illegal voting and by preventing destitute, retarded nigs from voting

>>137555884
I used to only get an ID when I was younger and didn't drive, I could go in at most any time to get an ID and it'd take maybe 30-60 minutes.

The left claims the right are nothing but brain dead simpletons yet you can't ask their hordes of niggers spics and druggie white trash to fill out a form. I'd like to know who the bigger retards are.

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>>137544376
Democrats can't win elections without fraud.

>>137544376
It stops Mexican nationals from voting in US elections.

>>137544923
You forget the average nog looks much older than they actually are due to poor genetics

>>137544376
Liberals think that niggers are too stupid to have ids.

>>137544376
they couldn't bus people in if they forced people to show IDs

Just another question to Americans. Do you need an ID to get a an health insurance from a company ?
If yes then what is the issue with showing your ID during the voting process? You are already supposed to have one or you are going to die at the first flu you catch (not to mention these IDs are useful because having a nationwide database the doctors can check in a minute if you are allergic to any particular substance and maybe avoid killing you with the wrong anesthetic).

The DNC relies on bussing around poor blacks and illegal beaners to vote4Hillary. And their (the NAACP/DNC) argument is demeaning to the citizenry--"blacks are too poor/stupid to get a free photo ID!" "undocumented workers are too scared to go get one!" Nigga can't buy smokes or liquor without an ID and the illegals can go vote IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES if they're not a citizen of the USA. Minorities HAVE identification, you fucking racists.

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>>137553708
>Your personal signed diary?
Hitler could vote in America. Wouldn't that be racist?

>>137544555
>Niggers are too dumb to get an ID ahead of time
How the fuck can you be a citizen and don't have an ID?

>>137544902
Blacks without ID: 17%
Whites without ID: 15%

Wow, what a huge difference. Clearly it would be a really effective way of specifically discouraging one race from voting.

Oh, no wait. You're full of shit. Btw, the same forms of ID that tend to be required for voting are the same forms of ID that are REQUIRED to collect welfare. Democrats fight voter ID laws because they overwhelmingly take advantage of voter fraud, and these laws would make those tactics in effective or too much effort to undertake.

>>137561561
>Just another question to Americans. Do you need an ID to get a an health insurance from a company ?
You usually need one to get a job unless your employer is shady

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>>137544476
I can't even comprehend why it's even an issue. ID's are free here, and if you can't gather 5 bucks for a picture of yourself, maybe life as a whole is too complicated for you.

>>137548555
we don't have a de facto state ID card in the US. proof of citizenship is either a valid local birth certificate (from US soil), a registration of consular birth abroad, a certificate of naturalization, or a US passport/passport card (passport book or passport card requires one of the above [registration of birth abroad/birth certificate/naturalization cert]

and we don't have fee exempt passports/passport cards unless you work for the government and need to travel on government business

>>137544902
And how!

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>>137555614
>piece of paper with a stamp
yeah, no. in the US our state issued IDs vary in security. high security IDs like new york use polycarbonate with holograms, raised lettering/signature on the face, and a laser etched transparent "window" where the person's photo is visible through both sides.

replacement of a conventional license is about $20 USD in NY.

>>137563049
But whites without ID'S don't vote. Spics without id's, do vote.

Once again, it's really not about the nogs, but the nogs made it about them.

>>137564088
That's a driver license, and you need a special certification for this.
Why don't you have an ID for existing in the country?

>>137544376
>no but ids disenfranchise minorities from voting
ids for guns then must disenfranchise minority's 2nd amendment right I guess

I only recently found out about this and its baffling.

Like I know that its common for americans to not get a passport because most of them never see a true reason to leave a bigass country like that, but the no ID thing is really something.

>>137555884
Its one day to get some really fucking important paperwork done and then you're set for a decade or however long this shit lasts.

There is no real excuse for not having ID.

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>>137564395
the Department of Motor vehicles makes a version for people who do not want to certify as being able to drive or won't qualify, called an identification card.

as far as not having an ID for existing in the country, it's a "muh states rights thing". especially once the cold war started a mandatory ID was seen as "papers please" style of the USSR. so traditionally we've had states issue drivers licenses as the de facto proof of identity in the United States and then those that need to leave the country get passports.

>>137563706
certain states like PA made the IDs for voting free and that STILL was not enough to satisfy the liberals on that, the courts in that state struck down the law...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

The left totally aren't the racist ones.

>>137544555
No they are not, blacks here get ID and vote.
They just dont want to lose all their illegal mehican votes

its about the illegals

>>137544376
Same in the US. And there is voting corruption. Same as in EU

>>137544555
^ This.

I watch live pd and cops. It seems about half of the time when a traffic patrol pulls over a car and it has a black driver, the cop asks for a drivers license or ID from the passengers and they don't have one or its suspended for non payment of fines.

>>137545272
>foreign money should influence elections
>flag

you should be shot like a dog in the street

>>137565516
Hahaha that dumb bitch say black people arent smart enough to use the internet

>>137566466
forgot to clear my fields

>>137565516
Judging by the answers it seems like these guys think blacks live in Burkina Faso not in America.

>>137544376
>what's the big deal with showing your ID in the US?
illegal immigrants don't have them.

>>137544376
>chilling effect
And they say Donald Trump doesn't do anything about global warming.

>>137544376
Yes, and shitskins here (in France) are too fucking lazy to deal with the small amount of bureaucracy necessary to get a voting card.

So shitskins do not vote. This is pretty good.

>>137545862
>Is this seriously an argument? Are people really saying blacks and Hispanics are too stupid to get an ID, even if they are US citizens?
This is the case in Europe. Why wouldn't it be the case in the US?

t. European

>>137563706
I'd fuck Corinne.

>>137544376
Opposition to voter ID is the most retarded leftist bullshit, it doesn't even make any sense. You can tell that even they realize they have no fucking argument because all they do is shout 'raycis' when you ask what's the big deal.

You need an ID to get welfare for fucks sake, the only people "too poor" for an ID are people living on the absolute fringe of society, like mountain men and shit. And I really doubt that that 0.00001% of the population is even crying about the right to vote in the first place.

>>137565516
>ID voting laws are racists because black people are retarded

I don't even.

>>137545964
>So explain to me how minorities apparently do not have an ID when they are US citizens?
Laziness and/or stupidity. Not even trying to be edgy, that's simply the reason. Most states issue basic photo IDs for free, and even the ones where it's not free, it's cheap - like under $10 cheap.

There IS no excuse for not having at least SOME form of state-issued identification

>>137544476
>Liberals are insane. That's it.

They also think that niggers are too stupid to get an ID.

>>137567065
>They also think that niggers are too stupid to get an ID.
Well, they are to be honest.

In my country there is voting ID.
And they ARE too stupid/lazy to get an ID.

>>137566880
>And I really doubt that that 0.00001% of the population is even crying about the right to vote in the first place.
You would be surprised. Here in Italy the leftist party that was trying to push the Ius Soli said that the terror attacks in the rest of Europe were caused by the lack of integration and that integration should start by giving all these people easier citizenship and all the right that comes with it (vote included). Of course they ignored that France had Ius Soli and Algerians bombed its people nonetheless.

Another funny story happened during the primaries of the same party. A dude who houses migrants dropped by the ONGs in Italy took them to vote for the primaries (these guys have no citizenship, and yet they decided who could be leader of one of our major parties). When interview most of the guys said they voted for the ex-PM even if they didn't know his programs. And the dude who houses them said that they were hungry for democracy and wanted to vote.

You would be surprised by the bullshit about voting rights people come up with.

>>137545029
>This, and it's literally backed by buckleloads of scientific data evidence.

No it not. See that, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>137544376
liberals lose millions of illegal voters if you need an ID

>>137546265
They also like to avoid anything that can identify who they are. They like to have "street names" like murder, or smokey, or JJ.

It makes it harder to determine who they are and where they live.

>>137545964
They have IDs generally, but when it comes time to vote and the obvious voter ID question comes up, we're then told millions of minorities don't have access to obtaining IDs and something something racism

>>137545684
>???

What cunt? You just say who you are and they tick you off.

>>137566186
You know they might be lying about having one or deliberately leaving it at home in the vain hopes that the cops won't find out who they are? Besides, a suspended license can still be used to vote.

>>137544376
The same reason traffic laws, stop and frisk, non-violent drug laws, etc are a problem.

Selective enforcement.

>>137568326
>Selective enforcement.
What selective enforcement?
EVERYBODY shows their ID.

What selective enforcement can there be?

>>137544555
Niggers don't carry their ID where they literally can't be ID'ed by the cops where the warrants for their arrest can't come up on a computer when the officer looks them up.

They can just give them some fake name.

>>137566186
>>137568247

Nigs don't carry ID where they can't be IDed and their warrants pop up on the cops computer when they search. They'll always give the officer a fake name or someone one who they know doesn't have a warrant.

>>137567186
Well i think if you're too fucking retarded to get an ID (i.e. most niggers and a smal percentage of whites) you shouldnt vote anyway

>>137553903
^ This

I had jury duty once and a mexican said "me no speaky englie". The judge asked him how long he had been in the US and he said 15 years.

>>137571531
Agreed.
This is why voting IDs are a good thing.
This is why the lefties don't want them.

>>137544555
Say that about yourself
My country has mandatory voting and everyone had to show id

>>137571733
Theyll also take those retarded monkeys and bus them to the voting stations, since theyre too stupid to get there themselves

>>137544376
>what's the big deal with showing your ID in the US
The GOP has voter suppression laws that REJECT ALL GOVERNMENT ISSUED PHOTO IDS except for passport, military, drivers license or state-issued photo ID (like the driver's license)

>>137544376
Same reason the right doesn't want election day to be a national holiday.

>>137571531
illegals are the only ones without an ID...i've yet to meet a colored who didn't have an ID.

they are called fucking illegals for a reason

This is the most pathetic thing ever.

Showing ID before voting!! The horror!!

How can anyone complain about this with a straight face. Just show some ID retards, if that's too much trouble, you probably don't care enough to be voting anyway.

>>137544376
am curious how california votes without illegals

You want ID's?? You'll get them. Microchipped with all your biometric data and your Health status as well. Welcome to the new world order

>>137572186
Yeah, thats the main problem with no voter id laws, but it would still stop some retards from voting

>>137544376
Not for white people...who are civilized and have ID.

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>>137544555

How can they be too dumb to get an ID if they're smart enough to collect welfare?

I mean, I have to assume you don't need to be a rocket scientist to get your hands on ID in the US.

>>137544376
Quite simply, cerain people who tend to also be poor have difficulty getting an ID because of logistic challenges. Voter ID laws prevent these people from exercising their constitutional right to vote.

You can argue that the US needs to provide better methods for attaining an ID but this change will be fought by right wingers because they know that lack of access to IDs and Voter ID laws prevent the liberal poor from voting.

>>137548526
kek

those fucking leftest are dump

>>137544923

>You need an ID to get welfare

So most blacks already have an ID card then. I don't see the problem then.

liberals literally argue that it's too much of a hassle for nigs to take a couple hours out of their day to go get an id. funny thing is, it actually IS to much of a hassle for em, and even if they do have an id, it's too much of a hassle for em to go vote. also they want illegals to be able to vote

>>137572793
>How can they be too dumb to get an ID if they're smart enough to collect welfare?

We have entire offices set up by liberals that quite literally assign a caseworker to you then proceed to walk niggers through every single line of the application, tell them what they need to say, what to write down, what lies will optimize their payouts.

>>137574626
Fucking niggers man. Need gibs for the gibs.

>>137575044
>Fucking niggers man. Need gibs for the gibs.
Here in France we have full time arabic-French translator in welfare centers because they can't communicate with the applicants otherwise.

>>137544376
democrats know they wont win elections if their illegal hispanic voters can't vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

daily reminder: 'commiefornia' was a republican state for over a hundred years until the democrats let mexicans flood the state.

really makes you think.

>>137544376
>whats the big deal
niggers cant read

>>137549660
you dont understand. it's not about the availability of id cards. Getting an id card is easy, you just walk into a government dmv, fill out a form, and they take your picture then and there. Your id is mailed to you within 1-2 weeks.

Id availability is the excuse, the reality is that the democrats do not want anything to prevent illegal aliens from voting. You could create a 100% working scheme to give 100% of the population an id card (oh we already have this by the way, it's called social security) and the democrats would still cry about muh oppression because they simply DO NOT WANT votes to be verified in any meaningful way. Their party literally, literally, relies on illegal votes to stay in power in places like california.

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>>137544376
Because the USA is and always will be a 3rd world country no matter how hard they try.

>>137544376
It's the same thing. But I'm actually against voting.

>Voter ID laws have chilling effect on turnout

Why? Because less fake votes are being cast.

>>137547872
Um, sweetie voting is a RIGHT and everyone qualifies for rights

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>>137576159

Arnulfo Viafara, who lives in a fucking jungle in the pacific coast can get an ID, and any voting activity requires him to have an ID. He doesn't complain about this.

Americans cant/wont get id because they are lacy and dats raicist.

Fucking burgers being stupid as usual

>>137576848
Sure, but that right only applies if you can prove you are a citizen of the nation you're voting in.

>>137577018
what part of everyone don't you understand

>>137577118

>>This is how leftists actually think, unironically

Im glad our leftists got genocided during the 90's

>>137577239
You clearly did a shit job then since you didn't get all of them.

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>>137576848
They do?

>>137544376

The only people who would be even slightly inconvenienced by voter ID laws vote democrat (nigs, illegals, hispanics, etc.) so they throw a shitfit every time it comes up

>>137545272

>American citizens in line with the US constitution

Whoops, you were one word off.

>Americans in line with the US constitution

>>137560953
You are really dumb okay you are really stupid okayyy

>>137572045
What about a compromise. A national holiday on election day, but voter ID and no voting machines.

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I'm not sure where I stand on this, lads. On one hand it would help prevent illegals from accessing gibs and skewing voting results in their favour, on the other hand it seems to be in favour of the creeping totalitarianism that Bill Cooper et al warned us about 20 years ago, fundamentally changing the relationship between government and the people. I wouldn't have wanted pic related to have access to the backend database for this.

>>137563706
They think niggers are too poor to pay the $10 for ID and too dumb to find the office to get it printed. Dems are the real racists.

>>137573050
No, its just thst holding everbodies hand to get an ID gets expensive

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>>137579063
>dems are the real racists
Plebbit please go

>>137544376
Muh illegals and people so retarded they can't even figure out how to get a fucking I.D.

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>>137574291
are you fucking kidding me? can someone confirm/deny this?

In this shithole of a country you need to wait up to couple of months to get your ID out, but you must show it everywhere as OP said, and plus you need to carry it 24/7 because police is authorized to check your ID at any time (fine for not having it is 45$, pretty solid for our standards)

>>137554263
>That's not how we elect presidents here.
>We have an electoral college.
>It's in our constitution.
>That's how we do it every four years.

>Why do you care?
>Worry about your own pathetic corner of the world instead of how we choose our government.
>You don't live here.

>But, since you love Clinton so much, I'm sure we can come to an amicable agreement.
>We'll trade all of the Clintons to you for some biscotti.
>You can keep Euro terrorists, though.
>We've got our hands full with enough cosplayers and domestic terrorists on far left and right as it is.
>Enjoy the Clintons.
>I love biscotti.

>P.S.: It doesn't have to be a LOT of biscotti, we really hate the Clintons.

>Okay, forget the biscotti.
>Please just take the Clintons.
>Fuck, we'll even pay you to take them.

>>137578905

If they don't have/are ineligible for voter IDs they are not our people.

If only allowing legal voters to vote results in totalitarianism, then a totalitarian state we shall be.

>>137579411
That mongrel baby is so fucking ugly holy shit.

>>137576848
>voting is a RIGHT

Except it isn't. Not surprising niggers and liberals lack even a 7th grade level understanding of civics.

>>137573950
It makes it a little harder to tamper with the vote.

>>137579849
>Actually, they are pushing Real ID, which is sort of a nationwide compliant ID, so if your state doesn't comply, you won't even be able to get on a plane to another state soon.
Part of the reason for checking IDs and arresting people who don't have one is to crack down on illegals and vagrants and criminals trying to hide.
>Nothing new, it's been that way for years.
>You get arrested, no ID, they find out who you are through fingerprints, photo matches, etc., to find out why you don't have one.
I don't know if that's nationwide or just some states, though.
>I imagine in Cali, if you commit a crime and don't have an ID they shake your hand and let you go with a stern warning and hand you a few dollars for your trouble.
>That place is turning into a shit hole.
>shit hole
IDs aren't expensive, there's literally no excuse not to have one unless you're hiding something or are part of a certain political party wants to use illegals and people who can get away with multiple votes because of not having to show ID at polls, which we're just starting to find out did happen last election, and they just started investigating election fraud last month, IIRC.
>but they push their agenda by crying muh racism
>somehow, IDs are racist, much like high standards in education

>>137544376
in america the rules are simple, if in any way it prevents leftists from controlling people its because of racism

>>137544376
>need to show ID to vote
>suddenly it's impossible for wetbacks to vote
>also difficult for union members and blacks to bus around the nation voting over and over
>this is somehow "chilling"
the media's such a bunch of kikes, if Trump gasses them all I will have a party

>>137544902
Illegals should be oppressed. That's the point. Oppress the fuck out of them till they go home.

>>137579849
No, all niggers have photo ID. You need it to get welfare, booze, smokes, and lotto tickets. But it is correct that liberals' primary argument against requiring photo ID to vote is that it's too hard for niggers to spend a couple hours waiting in line and spend $20-50 to get a simple ID card or a driver's license.

>>137576848
Um, sweetie, no everyone doesn't.
>Research before you shitpost so you don't look like a complete moron next time, k?
https://www.aclu.org/map/state-criminal-re-enfranchisement-laws-map

>>137582247
>photo id
what the fuck is that, like piece of paper? usa sounds like pakistan when i hear shit like this

>>137544376
It *used* to be like that here. First time I voted in '88, they asked for my ID.

>>137563049
There is no way almost 1 in 5 people don't have a god damn ID. How do you function in society without somebody form of identification?

>>137582436
It's typically a drivers license, but could also be a state-issued ID card (essentially the same as a drivers license but doesn't confer the privilege of driving) or a passport or military ID.

>>137582625
oh, i get it now, any official document with photo on it?
but seriously, i know the hassle during voting there, you clearly need to call out liberals on the whole id bullshit

>>137582436
>piece of paper
more sophisticated, this isn't a third world country
>a piece of laminated plastic with your photo, basic info on your appearance (eye color, height, etc.) along with security features like a bank card
http://www.alaskapublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/02102017_Sample-ID-e1486776505188.jpg

>>137547390
> you can get a temporary ID by just showing your birth certificate

Not even that. You go to the police station, and they look at your picture, gg ez.

>>137546265
Here you get a letter confirming that you are on the voter roll a few weeks before an election, in which you are told where to vote and what to bring.
Can't be that hard to fix this shit

>>137582874
>need to call out liberals
that's how trump got elected
>working on draining the swamp now
liberals have a pretty extensive network to push their bs and had pretty much last 8 years to brainwash the youth and try to ruin usa with this communism crap
>if liberals want to push their preschooler to be trans and then push them to undergo sexual reassignment surgery, that's okay
>if conservatives want their deaf child to have surgery, it's literally child abuse to liberals because "you don't know if that child wants to hear"
it's that fucked up here

>>137583639
liberals would consider that racist
>i shit you not

>>137544376

It's not a big deal. Dems try to make it a big deal because they like to cheat votes (double voting, bussing in people from out of district, voting with dead people, etc.)

>>137583639

I'm telling you, my family has been involved with Dems for decades.

>>137583907

>>137544376
Because Blacks can't be expected to pay a one time fee of 30-40 dollars to have a birth cert fedexed to them.

Because blacks can't afford to waste time driving to a DMV or whatever to get a photo taken.

That is literally the reason. Because it would cause the same inconvenience as getting any other sort of ID necessary for enlistment or college education, it is deemed discriminatory and racist.

The US is a fucking joke.

>>137544376
the Democrats' opposition to voter ID laws should clue in anyone with at least a rudimentary grasp of logic that they are the party of lawlessness and corruption. unfortunately, about half of Americans lack the analytical faculties to put two and two together here.

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>>137544555
This is what retarded people actually think.

>>137544376
I can't even fathom not requiring an ID. I have to show photo ID with an address. It's literally not a problem and keeps people who are not legal voters from voting.

>>137544555
fucktard. its about illegals voting

>>137544376
Liberals are more racist than conservatives... they just believe in beneficial racism, or the racism of low expectations. They think so little of blacks that they assume that they are too stupid to obtain an ID card.

This type of thinking explains the majority of their opinions: affirmative action, reduced standards for women and minorities.

>>137544376
Blacks are too retarded to figure out how to get them

>>137582485
It probably includes kids.

>>137585051
I would contend that it's more complicated than that. progressivism is a dogmatic adherence to egalitarianism taken to its absurd conclusions. progressives are wont to believe that unseen, "racist" forces completely explain the state of African Americans. I think it's akin to voodooism.

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>>137585209
This is the narrative pushed by John Oliver & TYT. The fact that they have to push it means that the actual narrative (illegal voting by non citizens) needs to be suppressed.

The main issue is discrimination against the poor who can't afford IDs, as opposed to Europe, where they are mandatory.
The simplest fix would be to create a free fucking ID for all government services (state or federal level), thus preempting that argument. Neocuck kikes know this and thus avoid mentioning it.

>>137544555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDM-44Zb8w

>>137586988

Most of the places that would be highly impacted already have programs like that, leaf.

The situation has nothing to do with citizens voting. That's a smoke screen.

>>137586988
the real issue is that we live in a society where niggers who can't afford a $30 ID (i.e. demonstrate a very low level of competency) are allowed to vote

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>>137587310

Liberals use that talking point to garner white knight points. But it backfires; they're basically telling blacks they're too dumb to have I.D.s like everyone else (which they have, or they wouldn't be getting on half the programs or buying 40s).

Eventually when blacks turn on their modern day slavemasters, it will be that sort of well-meaning "let me defend you because you're powerless" attitude that will be the trigger of alienation.

>>137544376
Friends from Europe told me that the problem was not with migrants, but with their children. These bastards are born in huge numbers and automatically become Europeans. They behave like the animals, but they can not be thrown out of the country. Is it true?

>>137544376
"Chilling" effect.
Why are they such ominous faggots

>>137587816

It's usually the next generation that is the domestic terrorism sort, yes.

>>137544476
Fpbp

>>137587415
See? Neocucks dance around the simplest solution. $30 by the state for the free gibs and cementing voter ID law is too expensive goy

>>137587310
And yet, the argument of too poor is the main one the left throws around. And neocon dogma of hurr durr less gvt is a smokescreen to actually find a plausible solution to eliminate non-citizen voting inflating democratic votes.

Leaf land let's you votes without ID, providing you have citizens willing to vouch for your citizens (I.e. Commit purgury if lying)

But no, it's all niggers. And obamacare is too hard to repeal.

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>>137544376
1. America is the world leader.
2. Introducing the strict legality of peoples choice would clearly show everyone, that it is the reign of order.
3. Currently, looking at uk and israeli relationships with USA, most elites in the world see it as corrupt babylonian whore and are copying that behavior.
4. Making this kind of politics obsolete across the world will destroy progressive agenda, as the most white most cultured nations would prosper. And it might even be the final blow to leftism in general.

>>137544376
Democrats claim the law disproportionately impacts minorities. Activist judges shoot it down in court routinely.

Anything that negatively impacts blacks must be overturned- well that's life. Find me one/law or policy that favors every single person, it's impossible.

Entitlement spending disproportionately negatively impacts whites because whites are the largest tax block in the country.

Illegal immigration negatively impacts blacks- when you have people coming in with no skills, no education (similar to blacks) they have to compete for the same housing, same resources, same amenities and same gibs, the honey pot gets smaller. Too bad blacks are not smart enough to figure this out. Too bad democrats don't stay consistent as they impose sanctuary city policies.

>>137545964
The left says it's too hard to get them in predominantly black areas. They have to make APPOINTMENTS at the DMV. What a fucking tragedy.

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>>137587816
>Is it true?
Native French here, yes it is true.

The first generation usually know the luck they have, since their home country is shit.
But their childrens are spoiled cunts and cause most crimes, terrorism, and are welfare leeches.

>>137588497

>The left says it's too hard to get them in predominantly black areas

That's bullshit. The reason why blacks are in urban areas to begin with is because it's easier for them to access government resources/facilities- they'd get picked apart by buzzards, starving to death in the streets if the gibs weren't here to keep their pathetic lives on life support.

>>137588416
I'm not referring to the ID being prohibitively expensive. I'm speaking more broadly about us living in a society where people who should be wards of the state are allowed equal participation in the democratic process as productive citizens. this system is unsustainable.

>>137588497

>APPOINTMENTS

Also, I remember once reading an article about blacks chimping out over the free housing lottery gibs. They lottery drawing was postponed because out thousands of applicants, less than a dozen filed our their applications for the gibs correctly.

How could we expect them to know how to make an appointment if they can't even fill out applications correctly?

I voted for the first time this year and they didn't ask for id. I could have been anyone and just said a random name.

>>137547821

>fixed address

You need a fixed address to vote
See:
>state legislative districts
>congressional districts

It's needs to be defined where you reside so that your vote goes the representative of your respective district.

>>137555884
20 or 30 dollars is crippling but wasting 600$ on the newest Iphone or TV is perfectly fine?

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>>137544376

Voter ID is Mandatory in many countries! Should also be mandatory in the US.

The liberals who support voter fraud are against it.

There's news about illegals voting multiple times.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html

>>137590411

>$20 - $30 is crippling
>People have literally gone crippled to give us the right to vote, some have even died
>Niggers can't even come up with a few bucks
>Lefty faggots try to tell us that blacks are just like us

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>>137591565
What's the difference between a pizza and a nigger

>>137592064

>A pizza doesn't scream when you put it in the oven. Oh wait, that's a Jew joke.

What's the difference?

>>137544376
You guys know you already have to bring a form of identification to vote, correct? Typically the best thing to do is to have your social security digits on hand.

The reason we don't bring universal ID cards like in Europe is because we don't have a universal ID card. There are things like driver's licenses that can function as an ID but they are not free and you are not issued one automatically as a citizen.

>>137565516
(((((horowitz))))))

>>137545116
The states that require an ID to vote will give you an ID for free if you tell them you need it for voting purposes.
The reason they have to make it free is that if you are required to have an ID to vote and they demand you to pay for it, that constitutes a "poll tax", illegal under US federal election laws.

Their actual argument is that brown people are too dumb to keep an ID that is freely provided.

So they must let brown people vote without any proof of citizenship.

>>137544902
>it's healthy for a society to infantilize large swathes of people

liberals literally believe this

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>>137594847
Standards have to be lowered to accommodate dregs.

>Blacks make up 35% of the school in the pic related.