Ancap Thread

I recommend watching this video at least: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-sKoc4zWz4

>>137513581
Ancap? You mean codeword for pedophile normalization?

>>137513581
I'm not ancap but i'll drop in to say I love Pinochet

>>137514699
Yeah, even if it's a very small amount of taxation, it is still theft.
>>137514875
>>137514875
Strawman. Pedophilia violates the NAP.

>>137514875
No, in a covenant all pedos and degenerates will be physically removed, so to speak

>>137515257
Yeah, the murders, rapists, and other horrible people will be locked up in private prisons or killed, depending on the situation.

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how does it feel to be the 1%

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>>137514875
Pedophilia violates the NAP

>>137515601
Pretty good desu

>>137515448
I prefer exile since there's always a slight chance you done goofed and got the wrong guy (unless caught in the act on tape and then just execute, no need for prison).
The three purposes of criminal punishment are deterrence, restitution, and rehabilitation. Prison isn't good at achieving those, especially with the most horrific crimes

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Alright, if the government steals a portion of your income. It is theft. You did not volentariily give the government your money, They stole from you. Also, what does the government do with that money? Ruining the healthcare market, make the poor lazy and dependent on your stolen money, manufacture killing machines, lining crony pockets, and intervene in global affairs.
>>137515601
Feels good man.

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>>137515918
what if the child consents tho?

>>137516513
Doesn't matter, still violates the NAP. The criminal will get their ass thrown in private prison

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>>137516513
If the child is below the age of consent then they cannot consent.

>>137516236
I can agree to you. The worst of the worst should be exiled. However, I still think there is a chance for redemption for those who had done crimes in warm blood or by accident.

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>>137516744
who are you to decide whether or not the child can consent?

>>137516694
>voluntary exchange of goods and/or services violates the NAP

wew

>>137516961
Send them to a monastery?

I say that all social programs (construction, healthcare, police, fire department, manufacturing, and military) should be privatized. Any objections?

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>>137517226
What? I never said that. Please explain where I faltered.

>>137517305
No objections. Motion is seconded and carried

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>>137517226
>who are you to decide whether or not the child can consent?
The local community will decide, and child fuckers will be lynched accordingly.

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How much are we holding, lads?

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>>137517892
Yup. Can't argue to that all but that the private city police will take them in to testify at a private court and, if guilty, thrown his ass into a private prison. Or lynching will work.

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>>137518050
>mfw 4412 is the price when I become a bitcoin millionaire

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>>137518050
Holy shit. If you invested in some bitcoin in 2014, you are fucking rich.

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>>137517892
>>137518207
thus violating the NAP. and what said community has no age of consent? in a true AnCap society im allowed to hire as many child prostitutes as a please. your ideology is morally bankrupt.

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>>137518606
>allowed to hire as many child prostitutes as you want
>implying you want a child prostitute over a genetically modified loli catgirl

>>137518606
So you assume that once Ancapistan is established, everyone will lose their morality? Ever heard of Humanitarian Values? Be treated like you would be treated? Love thy neighbor? No? Than BTFO with your strawman.

>>137518954
>once Ancapistan is established

statist detected

Alright, nexy up, I believe that all victimless crimes should be legal. You cannot be arrested for smoking a bit of weed or doing a bit of cocain. Doesn't mean that the community would approve, but you would not be thrown in prison.
>>137519276
Couldn't think of a more appropriate term.

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>>137519522
The United Confederacy of the People's Principalities of AnCaptopia

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>>137519953
Rolls of the tongue, doesn't it?

>>137518261
that's awesome mate, good on ya. I'm 18 and holding 0.4. Best I can do. help me out if you'd like
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Investing so I can advertise an app/website I'm working on, should be out in December. Think drudge, but looks better and is marketed to gen z.

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>>137520139
>implying the ability to say it has any effect on the ability to produce my karen sex doll.

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>>137520266
>mfw I said fuck off in a /biz/ thread a few fortnights ago
You're a persistent faggot, I'll give you that. Have you thought about just mining BTC instead of shilling news?

>>137520346
As long as it's not a real human being or animal, go for it. Make yourself a karen sex doll store.

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>>137520686

>>137518954
>everyone is morally righteous
truly a meme ideology, there's literally nothing stopping people from setting up a community of child fuckers.
>inb4 people won't want to live next to a community of child fuckers so they'll kill them
no one's realistically going to pay a bunch of mercenaries to interfere in other people's business and plus it would just be a rumor, people probably wouldn't even believe it if said community kept it on the down low.

>not welcoming the shills for a redpilling
Is this reddit?

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>>137520878
>implying AnCaps won't mutally agree that pedos get the rope
>implying AnCaps can't have pedo lynching mobs
>implying we wouldn't do it for free

>>137520596
im 18 mate, when I'm not programming I come on /pol/ for autism and /biz/ to do the exact opposite of what they say

it's worked so far, went from .1 to .4. I'm too poor to mine, and I pay for my own electricity anyway, and am saving for a car. So not a whole lot of extra money at the moment.

>>137520878
Alright, what if a militia does come in and wipe out this community and occupy or abandon the region?

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Anarcho capitalism does not have the end-all answers to complicated problems. It is just a framework that society can build around. Since this framework has never been implemented on a large scale, than we can only speculate.

>>137521246
If you get the Antminer S9 at 13+ TH/s it's profitable to mine even with electricity costs as high as $0.12/KwH. They went for about $2500 when I got my last batch, but they've probably gone up since.

Bitcoin is most likely hitting/about to hit it's all time high and then go through a pretty big correction. Good luck with the gen Z drudge website.

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>>137520878
>no one's realistically going to pay a bunch of mercenaries to interfere in other people's business
Who said anything about mercenaries? I would kill them for free.

>>137518954
Fucking idealist. Like everyone would suck up to your rosy "love your neighbour" shit. There are people who would kill someone and rape their dead body with a baseball bat if they weren't going to get caught.

So how do u enforce property rights with out a gov to enforce things? Enforce it yourself or get some guys to do that?

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RESTORE YOUR PRIDE, RESTORE YOUR CULTURE!!

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>>137521994
>There are people who would kill someone and rape their dead body with a baseball bat if they weren't going to get caught.
That wouldn't change just because there's a state.

>>137522202
Can not whites be ancaps?

>>137522082
Guns. Militia. Common Sense. You don't need a government boy to put up a private property sign.

>>137521309
why would they? think of it this way
>some guy comes in and says community down the road™ is running a child sex ring
>has no proof
>people are just going to hire a personal army off some random rumor
people would start rumours like that all the time in order to fuck with economic competition, i guarantee you no one would take them seriously. people would probably have successful businesses just spreading bullshit rumours to tarnish the reputation of communities/businesses that are potential competition
>>137521202
what you're all just going to run around breaking into armed compounds, violating the NAP, just to check if people aren't doing something which your arbitrary moral compass tells you is wrong? i think you're over estimating the lengths people will go for the benefit of others. we're all egoists at heart, everything else is a mask to obfuscate the shit underneath from yourself

>>137521986
you wouldn't last long then and you serve as a perfect example as the failure of the NAP, it requires people to actually adhere to it in order for it to work.

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>>137522812
>you wouldn't last long then
Why? It would be easy as shit to get a gang together to lynch child-fuckers.

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>>137522252
Yeah, if you believe in the abolition of the state, property rights, gun rights, and free market, than you are (broadly) an ancap
>>137522220 Perfuckingcisely!
>>137522580
>people would probably have successful businesses just spreading bullshit rumours to tarnish the reputation of communities/businesses that are potential competition
That's a good fucking way for a buisness to run itself into the ground.
>i guarantee you no one would take them seriously.
If there is enough people that claim the same rumor and is consistent in their details, than an investigation would take place. That's how detective works starts.

>>137522082
>hire mercenaries to protect your property
>mercenaries band together and murder you for your property
>????
profit

Everyone, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mp02DJH5wU

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>>137523138
>other mercenaries (the kind that like actually making money) team up with the local militias and kill the rogue mercenaries
It's not profitable to kill your source of income.

>>137518900
How do we distance ourselves from the helicopters memes? They're fun to post, but its just more radicalization and counter productive.

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I found the ancap-chan that I was looking for in the other thread

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>>137523542
By simply reminding people that Pinochet, while definitely a force for good, was still a statist and did a lot of actions that violate the NAP.

>>137523074
>That's a good fucking way for a buisness to run itself into the ground.
have you never heard of discretion before?
>If there is enough people that claim the same rumor and is consistent in their details, than an investigation would take place. That's how detective works starts.
why would there be? lets say someone leaves the child fuckers compound to move elsewhere, why would they let them leave and potentially fuck themselves over in the first place? and if the person did manage to escape, whats he going to say to the other compound?
>errr hey guys i used to live in that compound down the road, can i live here now?
>oh by the way, they're all pedo's in there
>not me though... i TOTALLY never fucked any kids, i just lived there
they'd be asking for a lynching
>>137522993
>band together to kill child fuckers
>go to a compound you believe to be engaged in child fucking
>get shot by armed guards
i'd give you a week, the only way to survive would be to look out for no one but yourself.

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>>137523966
>get shot by armed guards
Why are these guards selling themselves out to child-fuckers? That sounds terrible for their reputation. Either they the bottom of the barrel that the child-fuckers were forced to hire and thus easily killed or they will go out of business soon.

>>137523495
why? no one would know, you'd just assume the position of the person(s) whom you murdered with a group of people you trust. do you actually believe people would care enough about anyone else that they would spend their money avenging their economic competition? this idea of everyone being morally just that you all seem to have is idealist trash

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>>137523966
Never said Ancap is perfect. That very specific example you pulled out of your ass would have to be dealt with by force, either by an individual or by private police.

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>>137524455
>o you actually believe people would care enough about anyone else that they would spend their money avenging their economic competition?
Yes. If I'm a business owner and I find out that a rogue mercenary company has been killing my employees I'm hiring another mercenary company to take them out.

>>137515192
>>137515918
The child has to be awake to consent. It's only violating the nap if they're asleep

>>137524177
they are child fuckers, child fuckers need jobs in their communities too. why wouldn't they defend themselves from being attacked?
>>137524456
thats what makes ancap such a shit system, it appeals to people who think money is everything and have no moral compass

>>137524855
Have the hur dur we're free image?

>>137524456
saved kek

>>137524740
why would someone kill the slave employees?
>be poor as fuck with a group of people
>decide to become mercenaries because you don't want to starve to death
>some rich fuck hires you to protect his compound
>slaughter everyone in the compound and assume their positions
there is no employer in this situation, and even if the example was an employee getting murdered it's just more idealist trash to think that if i died my boss would value my life enough to spend hundreds of bitcoins avenging my death instead of just hiring another poor fuck out of the junkyard

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>>137524855
Again, never said it's a perfect system. I just implied that it would be a better system than what America has now, that is Fascistic Corporatism. Besides, at the end of the day, no one really knows how Anarcho-Capitalism would work in practice. All we could do is put it down on paper and speculate. Democracy was just a concept until we put it into practice with America, France, then the rest of the world.

Now, we are seeing the constant cycle Democracy and Fascism have with each other, and many people like me and Mr. Dapperton are sick of it. The cycle has costed humanity over a billion lives. That's why we want to abolish government, cause that is the conclusion we made to the root of the problem.

>>137525756
>Morality is a weakness

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>>137524855
>why wouldn't they defend themselves from being attacked?
The problem isn't that they wouldn't try to defend themselves, the problem is who would offer their services to child-fuckers? That looks terrible for your business' image, and you lose a shit-ton of customers for a very small minority of creeps who do nothing but attract trouble for your business.

>>137525382
>slaughter everyone in the compound and assume their positions
Mercenaries are mercenaries because they know how to fight, not because they know how to run a factory. If they take over the business then they've just fucked themselves, because now they own a business that they don't know how to run, they've attracted hostile attention from all around, and they've lost all their potential customers who now have no reason to trust them.

http://www.wrisley.com/cycle.htm
"From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
We are at dependence and creeping into bondage.
>>137525985
Never tried to imply that. Meant to imply that morality is a catalyst to keep us away from self-destruction

>>137525756
it would be chaos. there would be no capitalism in the first place but let's say there was... you would just be replacing the government tyranny with corporate tyranny, it's pretty retarded. the thing about most systems is that they work in theory but not as well in practice. ancap doesn't even make sense in theory

>>137526180
Thank you for clarifying. I was getting a bit cloudy from statist babble

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>>137526222
Corporations are only powerful because they are protected by the government. If there is no government and in consequence, no safety net, than the corporation would collapse and would have their image permanently ruined due to attempted tyranical rule. They will be replaced by buisnesses who will learn from the other's downfall.
>the thing about most systems is that they work in theory but not as well in practice.
Communism. I'm just going to leave it at that.

>>137526180
how would you know they are child fuckers? does this kind of thing come up often in conversation? this brings up exactly what i was saying about professional bullshit artists to tarnish businesses/economic compounds reputations, no one would believe any of that bullshit, they would only care about the product being quality just like we do now. everyone is well aware nike and these other conglomerates use child slaves from china but does that really have an impact on their sales? no.
>so what do you guys do for fun in compound x
>the usual, fuck kids, shoot heroin and so on
>Mercenaries are mercenaries because they know how to fight, not because they know how to run a factory. If they take over the business then they've just fucked themselves, because now they own a business that they don't know how to run, they've attracted hostile attention from all around, and they've lost all their potential customers who now have no reason to trust them.
this is retarded, mercenaries are mercenaries because they're dirt poor and are willing to risk their lives for a bit of cash, there's nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want with their appropriated land and if people ask what happened to the previous owner/workers you'd just say they sold the place to you. plus, why would your compound have to be a business, i can see the value in exporting excess goods to other compounds but i'd want my compound to be self sufficient for the most part and if i'm down on my luck then i'm not going to let some lack of experience farming stop me from taking someone elses arbitrary property that they didn't buy in the first place.

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>>137527491

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>>137527491
Hey look! A statist economic illiterate, boy do I love those! They are the wisest people to talk to!

>>137526908
thats the system im referencing, communism looks good in theory but in practice it's a failure, how well would a system fair that fails basic theoretical scrutiny?
>Corporations are only powerful because they are protected by the government. If there is no government and in consequence, no safety net, than the corporation would collapse and would have their image permanently ruined due to attempted tyranical rule. They will be replaced by buisnesses who will learn from the other's downfall.
i see this argument brought up a lot from free marketers but it's fundamentally incorrect. monopolies can arise from government contracts like transport and healthcare companies however the vast majority of monopolies form without government assistance like google. really the only major example of a monopoly that exists at the moment due to government intervention is tesla

>>137524455
why do people always insist that murder rates will skyrocket under an cap systems?

the murder rate was the lowest in history during the wild west period when everyone was fucking armed.

>>137528141
What about the major banks? IBM? NIKE? Apple? Also, how did we fail basic theoretical scrutiny? Please provide an example.

What authors did you all read? Favorites?

Me: Bastiat, Rothbard, Hoppe, Walter Block

Really love Bastiat and Hoppe but all 4 are superb

>>137528531
Precisely! Crime would decrease if everyone is armed.

>>137527761
>>137527993
>i can't point out flaws in the argument after already conceding that i was wrong so i'll call him a statist economic illiterate
everyone concedes that the government is a necessary evil, the lack thereof would create an environment worse than somalia.

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>>137527491
>how would you know they are child fuckers? does this kind of thing come up often in conversation?
Well obviously if you don't have proof that they're child-fuckers then you won't be attacking them with a militia. Of course, having a state doesn't fix this.

>mercenaries are mercenaries because they're dirt poor and are willing to risk their lives for a bit of cash
That's usually not the case actually, PMC's today at least are very well payed and usually quite well trained.

>there's nothing stopping them from doing whatever they want with their appropriated land
They could do nothing with the land, they don't know how to utilize it.

>if people ask what happened to the previous owner/workers you'd just say they sold the place to you
"Oh yes, just ignore the gunshots and explosions you heard, that giant stack of bodies over there, and that group of survivors who claim that we killed everyone in the factory. They're lying."

>if i'm down on my luck then i'm not going to let some lack of experience farming stop me from taking someone elses arbitrary property that they didn't buy in the first place.
Why though? You would literally make a better living just defending the territory for pay than you would trying to work the land with no knowledge or experience.

>>13752873 Again, please provide an example where I failed basic theoretical scrutiny.

>>137528628
The lack of replies means you faggots read nothing as I thought

Not surprising since your replies here to classical ancap dilemmas were awful

>>137529172
Sorry, I haven't read many authors. We were just preoccupied with bickering.

>>137528731
>everyone concedes that the government is a necessary evil
Provide an example where government can do that the free market cannot do that the free market cannot provide at a better quality and at a cheaper price?
>Btw I appoligise for calling you a statist economic illiterate, heated debate clouds my reasoning.

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Ancrapism is where people sell themselves out to slimy bourgeoisie kikes like cheap whores to be used as machines to line kike capitalist pockets. In chad Mutualism, only the hardest workin' of men end up on top, and you dont have to suck kikenstiens cock to get there.

>>137529900
You replied to the wrong guy

>>137528531
>day 1 of ancapistan
>everyone scrambles to claim land as their own
>everyone murders eachother in order to secure prime land
>>137528587
i just demolished your system several replies ago and the only arguments against it have been retarded shit like
>we'd just go murder the child fuckers
>it would be bad for business
until eventually it's just a concession that ancap 'isn't a perfect system'. no shit, it's a terrible system
>>137528731
>Well obviously if you don't have proof that they're child-fuckers then you won't be attacking them with a militia. Of course, having a state doesn't fix this.
totally my dude, think about all those towns that are just mass child prostitution rings. fucking state does nothing
>That's usually not the case actually, PMC's today at least are very well payed and usually quite well trained.
yeah of course, because we don't live in an anarchy so we have basic regulation for certificates
>They could do nothing with the land, they don't know how to utilize it.
how do i farm these crops??? this is impossible
>"Oh yes, just ignore the gunshots and explosions you heard, that giant stack of bodies over there, and that group of survivors who claim that we killed everyone in the factory. They're lying."
this is not a factory, it's a compound like it realistically would be to keep the barbarians out. your trading partners don't neccessarily have to be right next to you and frankly i don't imagine they would be due to the available resources being pretty much the same in a given area
>Why though? You would literally make a better living just defending the territory for pay than you would trying to work the land with no knowledge or experience.
you get all the resources to yourselves? far more profitable

anyway i've wasted a good hour or so, hope you all enjoy fantasising about 6th century mongolia

>>137528730
>everyone concedes that the government is a necessary evil
Provide an example where government can do that the free market cannot do that the free market cannot provide at a better quality and at a cheaper price?
>Btw I appoligise for calling you a statist economic illiterate, heated debate clouds my reasoning.
>>137528731
Sorry, replied to the wrong bloke.

>>137529900
Nuclear weapons technology. The space program.

Not that those things are necessarily good, but they're things that were done better by the government.

>>137530458
>something the government can do that the free market cannot
Roads. Kek.

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>>137530323
Nice bait bro (pic related)
>>137530445
Like I said, heated debate clouded my judgment. It's entirely my fault that I came to rash and idiotic decisions.
>>137530546
Lot's of people are interested in space, thus many people will invest in a private space program that can do much better than NASA would be able to do. Now with the nukes, that is a problem that I cannot conjure a good answer to.
>>137530736
Good one. But seriously, if we are able to make a smart phone, than we can put concrete and asphalt on the ground.

>>137531237
>something the government can do that the free market cannot
Universal healthcare. 100% employment.

>>137531237
>can do much better than NASA would be able to do
>can
>would
>could
>should

Not interested in your ideals, only results.

>>137531395
>something the government can do
Good one, anon.

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> If it needs to be enforced by the state, than it is fundamentally flawed and not fault of the free market.

>>137531395
>Universal healthcare
>100% employment.
100% Employment is impossible. Universal Healthcare is inefficient, crappy, and needs taxpayer money to exist.
>>137531549
Can't bring results if results cannot exist with the existence of government.

>>137531621
>AnCaps aren't even close to as good as NatSoc
Why are we allies again?

>>137531633
That's what guns are for, to keep that from ever happening.

>>137531749
well you just violated their nap so have fun with the mcnuke

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>>137531883
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Thanks everyone for a good time talking about Anarcho-Capitalism. It's been a lot of fun and I'll leave this thread to prune. See ya later.

>>137531741
We aren't, I wish death for you as much as I wish for deaths for communists.