Here's where you lads went wrong - hear me out on this

Bumping for reasonable post.

I know some of you won't compromise, but that's why you can't win, either.

It'd have been a LOT easier to point out the kikery going on daily if we'd have teamed up, but nope, the chance was lost and it'll take months or years to make up the lost ground.

Now all that the media (not that they wield anywhere near as much power with anyone other than the far left, but they WILL rally the moonbats hard on this) can do is claim that the mild-mannered desk jockey is a secret mini-Hitler, and basically, expand the range of what all leftists fear and want to destroy. It was MUCH better when most of us could be stealthy about our white nationalism and drop subtle redpills on everyone around us to make gainz, but now, you so much as say "You know something about Jews?" and you'll be viewed as Goebbels.

Again, learn your lessons this time, everyone. It'll be okay IF YOU STOP DOING THE SAME RETARDED SHIT OVER AND OVER. Don't be as fucking dumb as the leftists are - regroup, re-think the plan, re-tool image, and it can all be much better in due time.

You don't have to act like a commie to defeat one. This is just people fighting back.

And sad to say but without memes nothing would have been possible.

>>137447740

>reddit spacing.

>>137447740
>y'all went 14/88 WAY TOO FAST for the normies
going 14/88 at all is a (tactical) mistake, especially when you're fighting from the weaker (tactical) position.
>Leftists understand slow, incremental implementation of their ideals is how they got people on board with their loony shit
Stupid people. It's not leftist, it's stupid people. The poor and the dumbfucks.
>What should the right have done? First, abandoned the division, agreed to work together, and found a mid-point where balance would be struck for a long-term redpilling that'd have tipped the scales.
No. The right needs to attack the wealthy privileged that these people are coming from. The right needs to talk about how degrading the left is to black and Hispanic people, as if they're not smart enough to do it on their own. Divide and Conquer anon.
>Civic nationalists, while annoying to me, would have been great allies to say "Well, let's work together, and I'll put aside my GAS THE KIKES talk until we push the left back into their hole, then we can go back to bickering amongst each other".
You CANNOT target specific groups of people and be in the "majority." You have to rally together as many people as possible, first. You have to expose the left for being violent bigoted thugs while appearing to be the victim. This is the new rules of things and we're not in the position of changing the rules.

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>>137448694
>You don't have to act like a commie to defeat one

Nobody said act like a commie, but understand, sometimes you can gain a LOT more ground by making use of common denominators between two mostly-like-minded groups.

>people fighting back

I have no disagreement with that. But the whole "let's give the left all the Nazi imagery they crave to keep making their case" was really not a bright move.

>without memes nothing would have been possible

I'm not talking memes in general, and even I'm guilty of posting plenty of GAS THE KIKES stuff myself, but never give the enemy too much ammo to use against you. They wanted to paint us all as the 4th Reich, and now they've got what they needed to start convincing useful idiots that it's true. That's the problem I have with it.

Stealth, boys, stealth until you have enough control to finally reveal your power level.

>>137449230
I'm in my 40s, raised in an era where we were taught to space paragraphs and separate different statements for clarity. Not my problem if you kiddos will disregard my points because I don't cram it all into one garbled mess.

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>>137447740
>Leftists understand slow, incremental implementation of their ideals
Oh right, because acceptance of gay marriage wasn't fast-tracked during the Obama years or anything.

>>137450052
>going 14/88 at all is a (tactical) mistake, especially when you're fighting from the weaker (tactical) position.

Which is why I'm implying that you can THINK 14/88, but unless you're in charge, do not reveal your true thoughts.

>Stupid people. It's not leftist, it's stupid people. The poor and the dumbfucks

Stupid people are the useful idiots that are needed to be swayed to gain absolute power. Their agreement with our sentiments could make our ideals mainstream, but since there's a LOT of stupid folks out there, if you push them all against you, it just makes it that much harder to gain ground. Soft redpilling done slowly is how you can seize power rather than burn your cause out.

>No. The right needs to attack the wealthy privileged that these people are coming from. The right needs to talk about how degrading the left is to black and Hispanic people, as if they're not smart enough to do it on their own. Divide and Conquer anon.

I agree with this, but I believe we should have done it in a joint, cohesive manner rather than have the entire (((alt-lite))) crowd distance themselves completely because they can't handle anything that's "too extreme". There is something about having larger numbers that adds validity to a movement, you know, compared to a bunch of seemingly fringe loners who are relegated to the kiddie table when everyone needs to separate themselves from such ideals.

>You have to expose the left for being violent bigoted thugs while appearing to be the victim.

Agreed. But, where was our "playing the victim" in this done with any effectiveness? Most people still don't believe in white genocide and cultural Marxism - we cannot get sympathy to the cause if everyone other than us doesn't believe the cause exists. Which is why I believe that no matter how far right of the civics any of us may be, it wasn't a good plan at all to give the left the optics that we did with all this.

>>137451021

How old are you, anon?

I remember the start of normalizing of faggotry beginning the late 80s and early 90s, but it was SLOW, meaning, you could still make fun of fags, but that it had to be "in jest" and not because you wanted them dead.

Fast forward another 15-20 years, and they made fags so protected, you can go to jail for refusing to bake them a fucking dick-shaped cake.

This did not happen without much groundwork being laid prior to Obama, but you have to be old enough to have seen the signs when they first began.

I'm cautious of those who keep insisting on waving NAZI/Confederate flags in front of tv cameras. They are only proving the media right and scaring normies away. Almost as if that's the whole point.

>>137451809
>unless you're in charge, do not reveal your true thoughts.
Even if you are, don't. 1984 isn't just a warning, it's a play book.
> Soft redpilling done slowly is how you can seize power rather than burn your cause out.
Red pills do not mean shit when you're preaching to uneducated people. The democrats have been in charge of the education system for DECADES. Critical thought is frowned upon.
> I believe we should have done it in a joint, cohesive manner rather than have the entire (((alt-lite))) crowd distance themselves completely because they can't handle anything that's "too extreme."
There shouldn't be an (((alt-lite))), alt-right, new right, or whatever. It's a sign of clear division. We need a to re-clarify the right and not allow people to preach soft division. We need a group with a good strong message.
>But, where was our "playing the victim" in this done with any effectiveness?
You cannot challenge the narrative and be the victim at the same time. You have to go out as a protest against leftist violence. You have to frame yourself as the victim from the beginning.

>>137452184
>They are only proving the media right and scaring normies away.

The longer this all goes on, the more I'm finally starting to believe in "controlled opposition" after all.

Reminds me of the stories I heard from a vegan friend who talked about how the feds would infiltrate animal rights groups, feed the psychoses of the weakest but most volatile members, and push them to go all-in and eventually ruin the movement's reputation over time. I can certainly see this happening over and over with the far right as the feds keep fucking with the minds of those who are teetering on the brink until they do stupid shit, completely shutting down any dialogue that could be beneficial to promoting far-right ideals in the future.

>>137447740
Oh look a centrist pussy who wants right wingers to "tone it down" with a 20 year give and take penny-dish bullshit commie charity plan, LITERALLY says "mid-point" AND "balance", you want a fucking truce, because you're afraid of looking like the "bad guys", what the fuck, do you have blue pilled faggot friends that keep you in the fucking closet on your views? Why is this thread here?

>>137447740
TLDR This is second term behavior
Fucking idiot sheeple following jews and cia nigger disinfo agents

ONLY LISTEN TO TRUMP
TRUMP IS WHAT GOT YOU HERE
TRUMP IS THE ONLY PURE SIGNAL LEFT
FOLLOW HIS TWITTER, AND ONLY HIS TWITTER

DE-CLUTTER YOUR MIND OF JEWISH NOISE

>>137452490

You definitely have some great points, and hopefully more people can get on board with logical means to gain ground vs. the retarded shit that's been happening lately.

Only good news in all of this is that

A) We've got 3.5 more years to fix this shit before we'll have any shot of losing full control of things, and

B) People have very short attention spans now, and this too shall pass SO LONG AS we shift the narrative to something more favorable.

People have goldfish-like memory now, just distract until they forget, and start again.

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>>137452784

Nice kikery, but nah, we've seen how your "plan" went, and not gonna fall for it again.

I think it's an issue of how power and ideals are passed on to the group.
for leftists, the power/ideals come from the top down. gov. officials, rich donors, etc. the people on the bottom making the noise are interchangeable and expendable, allowing for numerous loses without altering the cause.

for "alt-right" the power and ideals come from the natural progression of individuals coming together and agreeing. these are small and tight groups. when losses occur, they're huge.

>>137452784
Do your ideas stand on their own merit or do you have to wave a NAZI flag into the tv camera to appeal to normies? Do you really think marching around, dressed like slobs while waving a flag that the normies see as evil is attractive?
I think the message is attractive without all that cringey shit.

>>137453569
>for "alt-right" the power and ideals come from the natural progression of individuals coming together and agreeing.

Very true. Now, we've got plenty of disagreement that's going to make a rough road for a bit, nothing we can't overcome, but it's going to take some ingenuity to get back out of the hole many of us were tossed in with all this.

>>137454597
Youre playing right into their hands with this defeatist mentality anon
Fucking brush this shit off and ignore it
Just ignore it and it will eventually not be the news headline of the day
Then you fucking rage at them harder than ever with facts and logic and proof.
We dont have to change a goddamn thing around here.

We were and are still winning. Uncuck yourself rn bro

>>137447740
>y'all
leftie liberal shill detected, 18 words in
back to commiefornia twitter with you!

>>137455240

Midwest, you faggot. Some of us say it just so we can give the city-dwelling liberal retards some fun to think of us as hick dullards.

>>137452558
No shit the idea of "controlled opposition" is real - do you honestly think states are going to allow the existence of groups that represent existential threats to their entrenched power? Without at least directing or guiding them so they cannot threaten those with actual power?

The only real issue here is determining who/which groups are in fact controlled opposition. The way I see it, if the group emphasized outright violence and/or advocacy against their fellow lower class plebs (regardless of background) rather than the elites that actually dictate policy, they are controlled op.

>>137455048
>Youre playing right into their hands with this defeatist mentality anon

Not defeatist, just a realist who sees this as a setback. I still want the same things, just that I don't see the current gameplan that was followed as any way to do anything of use and will hurt more than it helps.

>Just ignore it and it will eventually not be the news headline of the day

Needs to be NEW news to push out the old stuff. The leftists are having a field day with this, so it's gonna take something else to outrage them in new ways to get them off track. Trump pardoning Arpaio would certainly do the trick.

>Then you fucking rage at them harder than ever with facts and logic and proof.

When the other side has their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed, you can't get them to accept anything. They have to be softened to get them to open up to something new, or, they need to be directly victimized by the things we detest to change their ways (being soft-mugged by a pack of nigs was my turning point 20 years ago, otherwise, who knows what sort of retardation I may have now).

>We were and are still winning.

We are, but we have to accept when we need to pump the brakes a bit and slow things down. Never said we lost, just said that if we keep doing this the same way, then we WILL lose.

>>137447740
One of the most balanced and sober posts I've seen lately.

>>137455942
>I still want the same things, just that I don't see the current gameplan that was followed
Youre seriously not thinking straight if you think what happened saturday was part of anyone's "gameplan" except the CIA and their operatives in the MSM. Seriously dude. None of what you saw was real in any sense. The entire situation was cooked up professional revolutionists

>>137453479
>>137453672
Pft you're the fucking kike shills, I don't know anything about those guys in charlotsville other than they got shut down illegally and pushed into the protesters by militarized police forces, if you want to talk about fucking "plans", those right wingers in VA could've been goddamn idiots and it wouldn't make any difference. You shouldn't let the actions of others define your identity, or in your cases, your little shriveling egos, so impressionable. Brush the shit off if you have beliefs and ideals of your own merit, they'll outshine any idiot regardless of the situation. You're fucking shook over this crap and it's pathetic, you fucking shills.

>>137447740
This is true of both extremes, really. One more generation of letting things progress at their own rate, and the globalists would have had it in the bag. Likewise, the reaction blossomed way too early. Now the center is ping ponging between them.

>>137453267
>A) We've got 3.5 more years to fix this shit before we'll have any shot of losing full control of things
You're not paying attention. Between 2008 and 2016, those fuckers were fighting every god damn day to tilt shit to the left.
They took a mexican on black crime and blamed all white people and tried to ban guns.
They took a black man trying to steal a cops gun and framed it against cops.
They encouraged minorities to burn shit down.
They encouraged news outlets to go hawg fucking wild with narratives.
We do not have 3.5 fucking years. We don't have 3.5 weeks at this pace.
>B) People have very short attention spans now, and this too shall pass SO LONG AS we shift the narrative to something more favorable.
Maybe. You could be right. But people also are influenced easily. If bad shit keeps happening and they keep framing it against the right, we're not going to be left with much outside of violence.
Violence is really fucking bad for a struggling economy. Europe, US, and Asia are all struggling.
The shit is so close to REALLY hitting the fan and most of us aren't ready.
How much ammo do you have? Do you have enough food to survive 12 months without power and grocery stores?
Is your community ready to fight in a civil war? Are you even debt free?

Shit really fucking matters and we're all way behind where we should be at.
They're not talking about peace, they're talking about killing white people and bringing socialism to the US.
That's not something an election cycle can fix.

>>137447740
The thing is, there isn't 30 years available to 'save' the western world. So I can't vlame people for wanting to rush through it, but as you said, it won't work.

The western world cannot be saved.

>>137447740

in the next few days when this calms down, you will crawl back into your plebbit hole.

dont cuck to libtards. don't cuck to jewish media. don't cuck with virtue signalling cuckservatives. the fault of the chaos is at the feet of the NC state who allowed violent leftists to block entrance to the event and then the police pushed everyone out of the park into a crowd of rabid leftists.

conflating the Field's action with the entire event is foolish. If they State had done their job properly, none of this would even happened.

>>137455240
>y'all

What the fuck do you spell it ya'll for

>>137456809

It takes centuries to build a civilization and decades to destroy it

>>137457222
Virginia not NC but all points stand
It was set up to shift public focus and worked, they were going to run this kind of media smear shit even before fields compounded it with whatever happened there

>He has worked for the Center for American Progress and worked with John Podesta on Barack Obama's State Department Transition Team.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Signer

>>137447740
Going 14/88 at all is disgusting. It's not conservatism or American. It's low brow knuckle dragging cousin fucking stupid.

>>137457657

damn i keep doing that, i've got NC stuck in my head for some reason.

McAuliffe is the one at fault here, it won't be forgotten and the narrative would have died out completely in light of this had Field's not driven his car into a gaggle of libtards. that was their 'in' and they're milking it for all it's worth, going all out trying to stomp on their own caricature they created from the alt-right boogeyman.

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Look we NEED to redpill Blacks. We need them to know that Mexicans are hurting them, and use people like Dave Chappelle and Michael Jackson to show them how (((they))) fucked Blacks over.

Yes a lot of them are morons, but go after the intelligent ones and redpill them. Imagine having a rally with White Pride AND Black Pride together against the (((Pharasies))). They would freak out. If we win we can work out our differences without a race war.

In fact the Race War is a psyop (Charlie Manson, Timothy Mcveye) to divide. Seriously we don't need "based black men" we need Black NAZI's.

>>137447740
>y'all

GTFO no one using that term here.

>>137447740

Stop playing dress-up games.

>>137447740
I wish people like you who can't get paid had their own country

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>>137447740
literally hasbara
>kikes can't help it

Hitler is America now
>too bad for hand-rubbies ...

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>>137447740
>y'all went 14/88 WAY TOO FAST for the normies

MOTHER FUCKER I'M A WHITE MALE THERE IS NO KIKERY DRIP DRIP FEED

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>>137447740
This guy is right. Listen to him anons
>Unite the right

For civ fags:
>Stop your crazed hatred for race realist and let them help you beat back the communist.
>If they really are as bad as you think then they will never grow very powerful and you have nothing to fear because you guys will have subdued the communist and tamed the Nazis

My 14/88 brothers:
>Be open to the civic fags. They don't know as much as we do. They are still learning and suffereing from the lack of knowledge and brainwashing we all grew up with. Their heart is in the right place and the majority of them seek the truth. So slowly show them the truth. They will become red-pilled very quickly. Just give it a few years
>About the swasitca and other symbols. Keep them out of the public eye for the time being. I own a kreigsmarine flag, but I keep it hidden away for the right time. Keep red-pilling the civic guys and shifting that window. We speak the truth and so long as we don't scare them off at first they will listen to us.
>So buy our time and prepare the gas chambers and Dr. William Luther Pierce stuff on the web and in private.
>When the time comes, and our numbers are great, we will rise up and unleash the storm.

>>137447740
Ok Sargon

>>137447740
but to the left you're all Nazis anyway

>>137459620

You 1488s are negro trash. You have no place in our high IQ Jewish-lead civic nationalist state. Please put your low IQ asses on a boat and go to Africa where you belong.

t. Jew

>>137447740
Progress should have been made more stealthily, certainly. The problem was idiots like Spencer jumping on the Trump bandwagon and proclaiming himself leader of the 'Alt-Right'. This was a profoundly uncool thing you can do because as soon as you give a movement a name, it dies - and anybody even remotely 'cool' understands this. It also led to the actual new right wing people being lumbered with associations they didn't want. It was tiring trying to fight these associations off. Like it or not, this is ALL about image, and the last thing anyone needs is to be associated with tryhards.

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bump. good posts like these are what we need

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>>137460429
wtf I love Jews now!

Dropping the 88 is the most important thing.

>>137447740
Also you probably shouldn't murder people in terrorist attacks hitting them with your car.

>>137447740
You can't create a rally of right wing nationalists and separatists groups.
These are groups of people that want to change the US constitution, or separate, or actually invoke White Privilege into law.
You are not going to get any public support from any public Anti-SJW figure doing this.

I understand that this rally was intended to provoke the left, and it was successful on that level. But it also just made the actual conservatives and Trump supporters look like actual Nazi's and killed their whole message.

You have to think that so little positive came from the rally, that Trump eventually had to denounce the groups involved.

Organizing a rally specifically for these groups, and tossing in a few larping retards from /pol (mostly leddit, let's be honest) is just a stupid idea.

>>137461240
>Second degree murder
If it was terrorism, he would at least be charged with 1st degree murder or attempt to commit murder.

>>137461240
weak af senpai
its already unraveling as a large scale psyop, literally swayed no one just brought more ppl to our side

>>137452784
Actually, it's all about not wanting to look like the bad guys, because most are NOT bad guys. The left had patience, and it paid dividends for them. If certain elements of the right had that kind of patience, then eventually there'd be a situation where they were seen to be the reasonable ones while the leftists were deemed mentally ill and a danger to society.

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>>137456452
You know, I'm already prepped, debt-free, and strategically relocated as I watch this country become the next South Africa. I'll live my remaining days quite comfy.
But, I got excited when I saw people actually standing up for themselves. I thought, "oh, there may be hope after all."
It's a shame you guys peaked so soon. I really thought things would turn around.
Keep waving those NAZI flags in front to the tv cameras, scaring away any support from normies. The very same normies that are brainwashed that "Israel is our greatest ally" and sends $30B dollars of their tax money to Israel. Keep proving the leftist media right. When your mom/wife/daughter get gang-raped by the third-world, you can look into the camera with a tear in your eye and say "I didn't sell out".
Good Luck.

It's called minimal and maximal Goals people.

The civil rights movement didn't start off saying it wanted total equality and interracial marriage and affirmative action and reparations which is what they wanted.

(Maximum Goal)

They said we just want to sit in the bus and eat at restraints when we travel.

(Minimal Goal)

Learn the difference you larping faggots.

>>137461565
Where is it 'unravelling'? On conspiracy blogs preaching to a choir of about three people?

>>137461661
What the actual fuck

>>137461572
You act like one day has changed years of what you describe. Right is always the reasonable side and always behaves that way under normal circumstances. What happened in charlottesville was a hit job against the Democrat invented idea of "alt right" - nothing about it was real in that it doesnt reflect actual real world wide scale trends, it's more Democrat imagination because the reality is out of their control

>>137447740
I tried to explain this to the retards, but they keep on calling people shills and cucks. It's one of the 48 Laws of Power too now that I think about it.

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>>137461661
I feel physically sick.

Who gives a shit, whitey needs to die!

>>137461661
What a sick fuck

>>137461696
I agree. Best thing you guys can do now is move to Eastern Europe and help to protect their borders. At least these countries are not bluepilled. Then you can watch from afar with your families, safe and smug, as America goes to shit and the white lefties end up shoved against a wall and shot by the very people they claim to be protecting.

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Gas yourselves

The nazi movement died in 1945.

It will always be "too soon" for nazism.
Jews took good care that nobody will forget "muh 6 gorillion gaz chambers" for a very very long time.

But OP is right, in the sense that nothing goes quick in politics, unless you want to win it by a coup, but come on... that's not doable at all, and not sustainable either.

People that are deep down confident that their ideas are right, don't need violence, just to talk people into it.

Daily reminder you dumb faggots are gonna get 4chan shut down.

>>137447740
This. Been on FaceBook to see how the normies are reacting and literally two people I'm friends with are reposting Antifa quotes saying "White Supremacy is Terrorism" and getting hundreds of thousands of likes.

White Nationalism jumped the fucking fun on this one.

>>137456452
Another retard. We had been pushing back against them so well before the Nazi fucktards came out. Richard Spencer and his gang of dip shits are a hindrance and quite frankly need a good kicking in. They've ruined years of good solid progress against the assholes in one chimp out. Fuck him and his alt right faggot group.

>>137456283

I think it's a combination of people pulling the strings using our "useful idiots" to make shit worse for visibility.

It's not that the powers that be have enough people in place to make it happen themselves, but they're certainly using those of us who aren't thinking this through very well to further their mission.

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>>137447740
>muh PR the post
The left will always have (((the establishments))) backing, and they have it because they are kosher. Are you suggesting we become kosher ourselves? Because that defeats the whole purpose and contradicts our beliefs.
>siding with x group
Literally why? Fuck them, there is no need for dozens of political parties/ideologies.

The only thing I agree with is not giving up on the common people and getting them to our cause and to march with us, but not at the price of altering our views to make them more appealing to them. Pic related its the same tricks, and one day they wont be laughing anymore.

>>137456452
>Pft you're the fucking kike shills
Yeah, you got me, total kike in disguise, amirite?

>they got shut down illegally and pushed into the protesters by militarized police forces,
This is correct, nobody is arguing that part.

>You shouldn't let the actions of others define your identity
I don't, however, I'm not myopic enough to think that my vision for the right is the correct and only one to where I'll fuck up potential relationships with allies because I have to always be right.

>You're fucking shook over this crap
No, I'm just looking at the game from a long-term standpoint and not purely from a niggerish "today is the only day that matters" stance.

>>137456796
>We do not have 3.5 fucking years. We don't have 3.5 weeks at this pace.

Then what do you propose? I'm all ears.

>The shit is so close to REALLY hitting the fan and most of us aren't ready.
You can never REALLY be ready, anon. No matter how much anyone thinks they are.

>They're not talking about peace, they're talking about killing white people and bringing socialism to the US.
Precisely why I believe that NOT dividing ourselves further or giving shit-tier optics to the general public but rather cohesive arguments they can have some agreement with is the key to our success.

>>137457222
>the fault of the chaos is at the feet of the NC state who allowed violent leftists to block entrance to the event and then the police pushed everyone out of the park into a crowd of rabid leftists

But, how do you convince the public of this?

All they saw were MUH TORCH WIELDING NAZIS GETTING READY TO LYNCH INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!! You first have to convince them they did not see things the way the media is claiming in order to take control of the narrative, otherwise, you're LITERALLY HITLER to the normies.

>we never work as cohesively as the left does, and we pay the price.

Except the left does not work cohesively.
It's literally a bunch of competing jews all trying to out-jew other jews and fuck over everyone else in different ways.
Each of them has different plans on how to best subvert the social hierarchy and place themselves on top. It's a constantly changing turmoil of jews scrambling over one another.

From the outside looking in, it looks like a well-orchestrated plan, but in reality, it is chaotic destruction of society with no long-term plan.
The left is chaos, the right is order.

>>137459660

>Sargon
I'm not a cucked "classic liberal" or skeptic or whatever the e-celebs want to call themselves.

Seriously, this is the one gripe I have with this place - when you try to actually have open debate about how to get the movement ahead, you get rammed with kike shills and numbskulls whose heads are thick despite their hearts being in the right place, and it devolves into pure pigshit.

>>137461729

Holy fuck, someone put it clearly enough that the dim cunts will actually make sense of this. Thank you.

>>137450372
Not him, but I don't believe this last part is true. The normies are waking up

>>137465182
>Except the left does not work cohesively
Maybe "cohesively" was a poor choice of terminology when I simply meant that they do not hamstring each other over every point they disagree on.

Their ability to work with each other, or at very least, stay out of each other's way to a great extent, is why they gain so much ground.

Lately, we've seen them begin to consume themselves....until we gave them a scary enemy to unite against. So, they heal their divisions they were causing by trying to figure out who gets what position on the victimhood hierarchy ladder and all attack us again instead of each other.

This is not what we need. We are strong when united, weak when divided, and they're doing a fine job of dividing us right now.

>>137447740
A cuck thread on half chan pol? Well, imagine my shock.

Hey somebody ran over some armed leftists who were attacking his car, now we are going to be demonized by the Jews and leftists. This is all so new, never in the past have the kikes attempted to make us look bad. If only we had continued to blow kosher cock, that would have saved our race from extinction

>>137461661
my sides

Why can't you all just torch them already? They're clearly begging for it. You can't let these degenerates breed. This is backwards civilization.

>>137466461
It's not just about the car of peace.

It's that it ALL plays into the narrative.

Illinois is working to make it criminal to be part of any white identity movement. If you can't see how this ALL FUCKING PLAYED INTO THE LEFT'S HANDS, then maybe it's a good thing you're Australian and halfway around the globe.

>>137453479
Fuck off kike, anyone who thinks we should act like faggot cucks in response to having our rally shutdown with violence needs to have their throats slit into buckets

>>137466406
I agree senpai. good posts.

We have our enemy, but, in order to expose them (and unite our people), we would need to play the long con and reverse the damage of 50+ years of bluepilling.

>>137465820
wat?

>>137467360
Yeah, by avoiding red pilling ppl cause they may consider u a domestic terrorists. Never mind who started the violence, never mind the ppl using this to demonize us are the same ones who refuse to connect Islam with Islamic terror. Let's just cuck hard, that will stop our ethnic cleansing. Fucking pathetic cowards/kike shills/morons

>>137466461
Well...it's obvious what we should make the muslims do,let's help them add 1+1 and see that when they attack they don't produce terror or news but if they kill faggot leftards at political rallies they'll get coverage
I think thus is the lesson we need to learn and teach. We can out jew the jews by using their pawns

>>137447740
This is a reasonable and unfortunately rare post, anon. I agree fully.


It's a game of public relations - prove the enemy's accusations of who you are to be wrong, stand for something that seems reasonable and do it with dignity. The left have been in a fantasy land for a while, play-acting as if they are their favorite protagonists from Harry Potter or Star Wars or whatever resisting against the ultimate evil and as a result, they are reshaping reality to fit their storyline (violence is justified because it's against NAZI SCUM). The right, meanwhile, has managed to become an Asylum-tier shitty knockoff of Nazi Germany, using memes instead of the actual symbols for copyright reasons. The result is a tragic fucking circus of idiots on both sides.

>>137467313
Jesus, you dim Aussie, listen for a moment -

STOP RUSHING, START PLANNING BETTER AND NOT CAUSING MORE INTERNAL DIVIDE.

That's what I'm saying. My feelings have not changed on what I believe in, I'm not capitulating, but do I think that throwing Richard Spencer in front of a bunch of news cameras along with a group of torch-carrying LARPers is going to help? No.

I'm simply saying, let's be far more intelligent about our approach than we have been. This isn't rocket science, but if you think that you'll do anything but make the far right race realists anything but pariahs by doing more shit to give crap-tier optics to the public, you're lost.

You're claiming to be against the kikes while playing right into their hands. Good goy.

>>137466762
This thread literally equals 'if u kill ur enemy, they win'

>>137467973
>by avoiding red pilling ppl

Never said this once.

Big difference between "not redpilling" and "GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW", why is this hard for you bogans to figure out? There's a million shades in between we can take advantage of, if you think pushing for civil unrest will do anything but cause more Americans to lose freedoms and gun rights, then you're clinically insane.

>>137468131
>prove the enemy's accusations of who you are to be wrong, stand for something that seems reasonable and do it with dignity.

This is why I was a fan of the Richard Spencer who was doing rational race realism talks on college campuses and why I'm NOT a fan of the RS who seems to just be in it for the attention now.

When people who are influential in the movement do things that gain us new members, it's a good thing. When they turn everyone who COULD be allies off because they're like a fucking bull in a china shop with their tactics, then it's a loss.

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>>137468288
Yeah, you either hang a kike with your own 2 hands yourself or you MUST be a kike in disguise.

GTFO, retard.

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>>137447740
Well said

It's a war of attrition, possibly it's about the journey and not the destination. Trying to counter the long laid plans of the globalists isn't gonne be a showdown, for now anyway.

You got to stop being idiots and seize the high ground with dignity and rational argument.

I advocate a centrist attack as it seems to me the main aim for a lot of us is to derail the long term plans of the social engineers and the most effective way to do this is by co opting as much support as possible for an agenda thats only purpose is to defeat the enemy.

Liberal Christian Alliance

Liberal - take the word back from the Marxists (JP style classical liberalism)

Christian - Cultural not religious, no dogman, no barrier to entry because of "beliefs", accept all faiths and races as long as they honour the basic principles of Christian civilisation

We can't defeat the enemy in this terrain, change the terrain

Remember Centrism is a strategy not an ideology

>>137468266
What do u mean stop rushing? Like all kike shills all u do is tell us what not to do, and that always involves stopping what we have been doing which has got us this far. We are already pariahs u utter cuckold and the kikes have long been demonizing us and pushing laws to arrest us for thought crime. Who gives a fuck about giving them ammo at this stage? This is actually good for us as they have blamed trump and also established a new precedent that a single act of terror killing a single person by a lone individual completely incriminates everyone with similar politics to the terrorist. So next time an Islamist kills ppl what will they say? What about next time blm kill some whites? Speaking of which, that can be expected any minute now

>>137469327

The term 'christian' will ostracize fedora-tipping ledditor elitists which comprise the bulk of modern western youth.
You need to appeal to THEIR desires at first and then turn the tables on the them.

>>137469903
Think about it, there's very good arguments for cultural Christianity, it's what gives them the freedom to disagree with it

>>137469012
Yeah, so explain how u are not saying that we lost for killing our enemies, Trudeau?

>>137447740
The "Unite the Right" rally was organized by Soros and Obama agents, not "Y'all". Definitely no one here who isn't some partisan agent.

You read about the UtR guy who worked at a Hot Dog Stand in Berkeley, lib capital of world? What's he doing flying across the country other than to get paid to make Republicans look bad?

Why would they organize in a Democrat city in a Democrat state, with no political leadership to keep them safe?

No one really on the right supported this, no one is really a Nazi, but dems keep setting up these false flags and will keep doing it trying to associate these fake protests with the real right.

>>137470149
We have to curb the left's insistence on turning the whole of history into a horror show, good stuff happened too

>>137447740
Agreed 100%. Can't control the idiots throwing Nazi signs though.

>>137469680
>Speaking of which, that can be expected any minute now
Not going to bother with most of what you wrote, but on this part, WHEN THEY RETALIATE, WE GAIN GROUND AND RETAKE THE NARRATIVE. If all we do is attack, we are the enemy in the public's eyes and we will NEVER get ahead, period.

This isn't tough to figure out. Look at it this way - "we" struck them this round, but if we do it again, it'll take a fucking YEAR to get the media and the pubic off our fucking asses.

>>137469903
Then, perhaps rebranding as "traditionalist" would be a better means, eh?

>>137469903
we can use their fake history against them, this Christian country been pretty good for the Jews ain't it

>>137470150
Have you convinced anyone that these people are commies yet? Nope.

You know they are. I know they are. We both know they're toxic waste in human form, but if you can't get the public to see the value in eliminating commies, you butt-rape yourself when you act out on it.

Is this simple enough? If you don't control the narrative, you will always be the bad guy, and you'll always give fuel to your enemy to keep hamstringing your efforts over and over until you convince the public otherwise.

>>137470440
>No one really on the right supported this, no one is really a Nazi, but dems keep setting up these false flags and will keep doing it trying to associate these fake protests with the real right.

Then, it is imperative to find any means necessary to expose this to the normies who will only hear that it's Trumps Nazi Army trying to re-implement Jim Crow.

>>137447740
I have been saying this for months.
Leftists made the same mistake and got BTFO in the elections.
But right wongers are not smarter.
Most humans are just plain stupid and feed off propaganda. Most of /pol/ could have been antifa under the right circumstances. Very little individual thought and critical reasoning. A lot of bullshit propaganda.

Not all is lost, this is just a setback for now, but a lot depends on whether the right conclusions would be made from this.

>>137450537
now it is dead obvious you are a faggot shill. go collect your paycheck and quit trying to for guilt and shame on a collective "us". we aren't responsible for the left's false flags. we didn't bus in morons from Berkely to pretend to be nazis in a dem city and dem state.

>>137470440
Are u going to continue talking shit without providing proof, shlomo? Utterly ridiculous to claim the rally was organized by out enemies, sure they exploited it is we knew they would but they weren't the ones who arrived to the event representing pro white ideas. Everyone who attended the event for us was a hero who thought it was time to make a stand and take a risk for their beliefs. What good can be said of u cucks who now shame them and call them shills like a bunch of shekel thirsty good guys? Fuck there would be no Islam if their community was so divided every time one exploded in a crowd. Islam never punches Islam, kikes never punch kikes and communists certainly never punch communism. Stop being cucks, it is our job to defend the event and everything that happened, it is what our enemies would do, and they're winning

>>137471328
>Leftists made the same mistake and got BTFO in the elections.

THIS.

Identity politics can only be PART of the whole program.

If it's your only face, then prepare to get re-taught the same lesson the dems learned the hard way when they made that their only gameplan.

I'm glad there are some level-headed individuals left that can see these things.

>>137471080
Yeah that explains why we have been the bad guy for 40 years and yet the rally only happened this week. Fucking pathetic

>>137468266
>STOP RUSHING, START PLANNING BETTER AND NOT CAUSING MORE INTERNAL DIVIDE.
You're a fucking moron. NO ONE HERE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH "UNITE THE RIGHT". We've ALWAYS said "Alt-right" is controlled opposition, a bunch of idiots from leftwing media sources putting a label on a group and pretending to coopt it for the media to attack.
>Baked Alaska wrote for BUZZFEED
>Kessler helped organize OCCUPY
This shit WAS NOT "us". It was planned to make "us" look bad by association, but we never associate with them in the first place. The media just calls "us" a part of this big group they've labeled alt-right. So go fuck off.

>>137471469
Jesus, so many thick fucks here, my head is hurting.

I'm sure there were unseen hands making many things happen, but many of "us" fell for it and partook in the LARP for various reasons.

I said it before, I don't feel that those who fell for it are bad people, just that they willingly became pawns in this whole game and are unfortunately setting us back in the eyes of everyone who doesn't currently agree with us.

Why must some of you see only in black-and-white and fail to believe there's anything but going all-in or giving up?

The left has the tremendous advantage with the MSM. Anything bad the right does gets a lot of exposure, without a means to argue, since no one wants to give us a platform to speak. The only way to push back is for us to tone things down until the storm is over and wait for an opportunity. The left will make a mistake, and then we strike with full force. Basically, wait for a nigger to kill a white male, and blame it on BLM.

>>137471853

Then, please, either fly your ass here to be a public face at the next event, or, go start kicking the chinks and muslims out of your nation since I hear that they're taking over.

I fail to see what you're doing other than bleating loudly telling everyone to act like loons while you do nothing.

>>137468822
>This is why I was a fan of the Richard Spencer who was doing rational race realism talks on college campuses
IT COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE MORE OBVIOUS YOU ARE EITHER AN IDIOT OR A SHILL. "We" haven't been fooled by Richard Spencer at all. We've always disavowed and denounced him as controlled op. Holy fuck are you literally brand new or just a lying sack of shit?

>>137472119
>This shit WAS NOT "us". It was planned to make "us" look bad by association

Well, son, then the burden of proof is on you - if this is the case, then build evidence, prove to the masses that it's all controlled opposition and none of us were willing participants, and you can be the savior of PR issues of what's happening now.

Like I said, some things were orchestrated by the unseen hands, but a lot of fucking dipshits fell for it who SHOULD have been smarter than to get involved.

>>137471242
We've been posting this shit all over all fucking weekend you moron. Even my crazy mother who still believes there were WMDs in Iraq but Saddam sent them to Syria instead of using them to defend himself, EVEN SHE believes the Unite the Right rally was a Soros op. Pull your fucking head out of your goddamn ass.

Stop pretending to be "one of us" when you are so obviously a phoney. Holy shit fuck off.

This is the part where you tone police me and demonstrate incontrovertibly that you are in fact a shill.

>>137472336
I am not advocating stupidity or criminality, I am opposing divide and conquer shills who are exploiting the dumbest and most cowardly among us. What did we do wrong by holding a rally?

>>137472423
U don't represent everyone here, thankfully

>>137472174
>but many of "us" fell for it and partook in the LARP

WHO? Any real Trump supporters that you know PERSONALLY? They went to the Unite the Right rally?

Just fuck off loser. You aren't one of "us". There is no "us". We aren't a fucking collective, and only a commie like you speaks that way.

>>137472423

I liked how RS handled himself with the liberal retards at some of the college events I saw.

Why?

Because, he used facts and logic to shoot down their shit without giving poor optics to our cause. He (temporarily) gave white nationalism a smug face that had some good points that the left couldn't trash.

Now, he's just an attention whore. I mean, the man DID have some reasonable things done for the cause over the years (hint for those who think he just came out of nowhere: I'd read shit by RS prior to 2010, he's not "new"), but now, he's just a walking embarrassment. He's not the new Fuhrer, he's needed to stick to fact-slamming liberal dummies and stop trying to be a leader.

>>137472646
sage

I wish I had infinite sages to sage you with. goddamn you are so fake.

>>137472732

I give up with you, some people are beyond help.

I've seen the things posted, and while interesting, you don't have enough broofs yet. Call me when you have enough actual evidence to sway public opinion, because as of now, the left thinks you're a crazy conspiracy theorist and nothing more.

>>137447740
The only thing I agree on is that NO ONE should have taken a Swastika or done "sieg heil" chants.
Reality check: the Swastika isn't our symbol. We never bled for it when it was relevant. We need to make our own.

>>137473107
Anyone who ever actually believed for a fucking second that Richard Spencer was 'our leader' is fucking stupid or shilling. /pol/ doesn't have leaders. Each and everyone of us is a true fucking individual. And your continued attempts at collectivizing us reveal you as fake. So go home. No one wants to listen to your shit. We post Nazi shit here specifically to drive you morons away. That you believe it is real demonstrates a deep herd mentality and that's a real problem. Kill yourself.

>>137456796
>They took a mexican on black crime and blamed all white people and tried to ban guns.
They took a black man trying to steal a cops gun and framed it against cops.
They encouraged minorities to burn shit down.
They encouraged news outlets to go hawg fucking wild with narratives.

Lol, you are too stupid to get it. The left got blinded by it's echo chamber. All of the above is actually NOT good propaganda. It's very easy too see through, especially when piled together.
This is what swung things for the right, well part of it.

I am sure some of the leftists even believed their bullshit, this is the danger of the echo chamber, and the right is not magically going to avoid that.
/pol/ with a mild step forward began to lose proportion and started to spew as asinine propaganda as the media did. Not as proportionally, there was still a lot of truth to some things.
Without realizing echo chamber and escalation theory produced the events we are now witnessing. Going too far too fast. Too much irrationality and illogical arguments. Too little of the truth that pushed /pol/ up.

>>137473379
Soros' agents took Swastika flags specifically to make Trump supporters look bad. It is the symbol of losers. The Nazis lost. Americans don't hate 'hatred and intolerance', they hate LOSERS.

No one in the Republican party has any reason to fly the Swastika flag while Republicans own and control every level of government in the vast majority of states. The American flag is our flag because we totally control America. And all the democrats can do is make up bullshit to attack us with on the news via these fake rallies.

>>137473145

Yeah, keep yappin' little guy, and cry when someone doesn't agree with you. I'm sure you'll go far.

>>137447740
This is a good OP post. Richard Spencer and David Duke should not be the face of the movement. Always remember

online nazi = A-OK nobody cares
in real life nazi = BAD IDEA

>>137473850
>muh america hates losers
Then you'd think they would stop voting Conservative after it killed itself appeasing to the Left.
Fuck the Republicans, they're all soft traitors who would rather see the country become Brazil as long as it meant keeping their comfy lifestyle.

>>137451021
Are you dense, this has been a movement since the 60s. You think faggots just appeared during the Obama administration? You need to think long term, the enemy does.

>>137447740
[spoiler]so sad he didn't come for rally[/spoiler]

>>137473379
Just stop policing the far right. Just amazing that something supposed to unite the right has heightened tensions within the right. And no cucks that is not the fault of the evil nazis, it is the full of u for being bitches and attacking the nazis yet again. They're on ur side, and to our enemies ur just as Nazi as they are, swastika or not. U have only two choices, loudly and proudly celebrate white genocide, or accept that every normie will consider u a Nazi. Also, did the terrorist have any visible Nazi links? No so maybe it is u cucks which give nazis a bad name eh? Stop punching right and actually unite

>>137473324
How can you possible be so fucking stupid as to honestly believe that real fucking nazis are here making plans on this fucking message board, in full view of anyone who wants to look, even posting serious videos to youtube? How can you believe something so stupid?

Yeah we're all Nazis here, we're just seriously discussing strategy to resurrect the fourth reich in plain sight, on a board we know for a fact is monitored by every Intel agency on earth.

You got trolled son. The only nazis are in your head. The Nazi stuff is supposed to scare you morons away, like the gore on /b/, but some idiots fall for it, and we laugh at them. We're laughing at you for being possibly one of dumbest idiots alive.

>mah evidence
>by that logic
>hypocrisy
>mah fallacies
>mah no true scotsman
You have to be the biggest faggot.

>>137474746
I accept that every normie will consider us nazis regardless of what we do. But flying the swastika is a stupid move.
Normies are stupid animals and are easily swayed. We should be letting the Left hang themselves with their extremism and insanity, while pointing out to normies that we're the only real answer to it. We can't do that when flying swastikas while 95% of them still believe muh holocaust.
We need to be smarter than that.

>>137474133
Right, because duke and Spencer are always dressed in their ss uniforms, right shlomo?

>>137475334
doesn't matter what their dressed in, they are toxic

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>>137474095
Where was your concern trolling when this moron used an assault rifle to massacre an entire CHURCH full of BLACKS?

THAT didn't cost Trump the election. But a JEW running over one WHITE girl is the end of the world?

You can't possibly be serious. Like I said, maybe the commies are correct. Maybe America really is racist as fuck. White boy kills dozens of niggers, no one bats an eye. Kike kills one white girl and everyone loses their minds.

>>137475275
I don't think flying swastikas is a good idea but I don't think going all alt lite on them when we see them is great either. Do u ever see a leftist rally complain about the ppl with communist flags? They defend them as they know how to win a propaganda war. Just accept our nazis and try to lead by example. It is not easy when we just attack any alt right figure who doesn't even fly swastikas, like duke or Spencer, they're always under attack here for no reason. Is there seriously one person on the alt right who we can say nice things about here? No matter who it is this site claims they're doing it wrong or are controlled opposition. Yet rarely do they offer any input, usually just casting aspersions without any basis. Has it occurred to u that the anons attacking ppl in the movement are the real shills?

White priviledge does exist. So does black priviledge, brown priviledge, and yellow priviledge.

Let me tell you the truth about priviledge. Growing up white in a black neighborhood, I was taught to hate my own skin color. I was never accepted by my peers. I was always reminded of my skin. The resources were thin, had to join a gang just to avoid getting beat up walking to school, and the education was shit! But I grew up, moved to a nice white suburb, and was immediately accepted by my peers. It took a while to leave my ghetto venacular and culture behind but I easily assimilatted with the whites. I no longer have to worry about being killed and incarcerated, which happened to more than 50% of my peers growing up.

Black priviledge prevented me from ever fully being accepted by my hometown neighbor. But white priviledge is the reason I was able to leave it behind. None of the black people from my old neighbor can move to this suburb without the fear of being targeted. They can't leave the ghetto life behind and assimilate with the middle/upper class. Their skin color prevents them from having the same chance as a white person.

I would much rather have white priviledge than black priviledge. Saying it doesn't exist just furthers proves you're willingly to facts of life.

>>137476199
Are u sure the driver was a kike?

>>137447740
This so fucking much. I was saying before the rally that nazi aesthetic would be dangerous for scaring off normalfags before they even heard points on white genocide and white identity.
The "redpill" isn't one huge thing you swallow in one gulp with a glass of water, you take one a day to effectively cure the disease.

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Fuck off, shareblue.

It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>137447740
>hear me out
stoped there
it litterally was never worth it and I bet you faggots are all from some gay basement
sage, fucking slide thread

>>137476778
Sure ur white Tyrone

>>137476654
I'm not suggesting going alt lite, just to keep the swastikas and sieg heils back. Those can come out later on, when we've gained a significant foothold in the political structure. For now it's about appearance, and the swastika has 80 years of propaganda attached to it.
The reason you don't see people complain about communist flags is because there wasn't a dedicated propaganda effort against it. How often do you hear about communist atrocities vs nazis?
We're fighting an uphill battle, we can't lose momentum to stupid acts.

And yes, I agree that the people attacking others in the movement without offering real input are shills. We must root them out and ignore them.

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>>137473145

>EVERYONE WHO DOESNT FULLY AGREE WITH ME IS A SHILL!!!!

And the autistic screeching intensifies

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>>137476199
>Where was your concern trolling when this moron used an assault rifle to massacre an entire CHURCH full of BLACKS?

I was away from the board a bit. But, rest assured, if I were here at that time, I'd have said it was as retarded as when that dumbfuck from Milwaukee shot up the Sikh temple.

See attached pic, you'll have a LOT more of this coming in hot ASAP, but hey, this is good stuff for the right, eh?

>>137476654
>Just accept our nazis and try to lead by example.

There's nothing wrong with accepting them, we just can't let (((them))) make such people the fucking face of the movement.

Again, this is simple stuff.

>>137477284

I can die happy now, after having called many people CTR/CREW/ShareBlue shills in the past myself, I have finally been called one. Life complete.

>>137477305

I'd make a great German joke with a corresponding BLACKED meme here in reply for how far gone the motherland is now (being 50% kraut myself, it pains me to see what happened to beautiful Deutschland), but then I'll just get accused of being a shill again, right?