A serious discussion about our beliefs.

>>137432424
>Yet the anger among many of us is that we are being attacked by the media and leftist groups. Things such as "white male" have become names that the left uses as insults and what we fight for is trying to suppress that. Being that the left is the majority, end of the day wouldn't that be fair competition?
It's not that they say it, it's that they're allowed to say it, yelling to the air, but when one white person says something similar about one of their protected groups, they cry like children and call everyone who agrees a Nazi. Also, is the left in the majority? Really? I've noticed the left has a stronghold in the cities, and even then there are cracks in their armor, but the right has carried the suburban and rural "retards" pretty solidly. By saying they're in the clear cut majority, I question your motives, because it kind of looks like you're just being a troll.
>A similar example was the Google memo. After the guy got fired we were enraged by the fact that Google fired someone because it went against their beliefs yet we fully support the guy with the cake shop that refused to serve the queer.
Some of us, like myself, think that the queer cake thing is retarded. I do see a huge contradiction though here with the left, especially because THEY are the ones who originally called for the businesses not being allowed to deny this service and not discriminate based on their word salad of diverse backgrounds. That word salad includes political ideology, which Google, a company that is headed and run by the same kinds of leftists, discretely went against by firing him. He wasn't inciting violence, he wasn't calling for death, he was using statistical data to show why Google's highly publicized diversity aims might not be as great as they all chalked it up. He was looking for a reasonable discussion, and they fired him not two years after having a months-long fit about the cake shit and not discriminating against people based on the word salad.

>>137432424
White ethnostate should be autoritarian single party with only white non kike allowed membership.

>>137432424
there is no we

we are against "we"

>>137432424
>The right is tired of institutional rules for programs that force diversity and political correctness upon us, yet we fail to see that suppressing these things are directly against the right of freedom to enact your own rules at your own institutions.
Once again, you can't have your cake and eat it at the same time. The left pushed for legislation, amendments, and laws to protect people against being discriminated against. Now that whites, right wing ideologies, and comments get you fired in the workforce, and people are using those same things put in place by the left to defend themselves, it is suddenly a breech of freedom? It's not. If you're allowed to preach liberal and leftist propaganda in the workplace without repercussion, then you're allowed to do the same with the right wing propaganda. Allowing one to flourish while suppressing the other, even if it is a business, goes against this country's principles of anti-discrimination that the left just loves to boast about. If you don't agree that it is wrong to discriminate against these people and ideas, while also supporting those who say the same thing but with different identities inserted (i.e. BLM), then that is highly hypocritical.

>>137432424
>I think that at this point our country has become too large to be ruled by a single monotonous government trying to cater to all constituents with different views. Even if we were to achieve a white ethnostate, we will always have issues within our own since there are both white leftists and conservatives. I think that the best thing would be for the country to divide by political ideologies and we should let nature take its course as far as which one is successful.
Has it? We've basically been the same continental US since the early Twentieth Century, and we did pretty damn well in the Twentieth Century. I think the problem isn't the people, size, or division. Those are symptoms of the problem. The problem is that our government has become so hungry for and corrupt with power and wealth that they have failed to serve their citizens for decades. Instead, we get fed this identity politics crap, where the politicians divide us into groups and get us to hate the other groups. Why? Because it distracts us from the topics that matter, the topics they will never bring to the limelight because their handlers and lobbyists would never allow it. They know that if the American people got together and elected a true populist that didn't just cater to one side and instead focused on government corruption, they would be done.

That is what I want. I want a leader or group of leaders that do not adhere to either right or left, but the sole purpose of getting corruption and special interests out of Washington. Our institutions, our government, has failed us. What you see in Cville and all around the country today isn't the problem itself, but a symptom of the problem that is our corrupt government.

>>137434703
>>137433863
Well isn't there a contradiction with wanting both ideologies to be heard/ no suppression of them yet we find it discriminatory that the left pushes for ethnic equality? Shouldn't the most popular ideology be able to win? in a kind of survival of the strongest?

>>137433887
There was technically an ethonostate in the early history of this country yet we still fought wars and lived in turmoil. I again, agree that the division should be ideological and not racial.

>>137432424
The guy who didn't want to serve the gays was justified because it's his business and he can serve who he wants, and whatever boycotting he received is justified as well. This is capitalism.
Google was in the wrong because they fired an employee over his beliefs. They should've said that the employee was disrupting the workplace (a valid reason), but the issue there is that everyone at Google is already balls deep in identity politics. This would be hypocrisy as everyone is already doing this at Google. They fired him because he had the wrong ideas, not because he expressed them. Now we are actively attempting to boycott Google which is justified.

I'm also all for free speech, the problem is that the left is not so I don't agree with them.

hol up

is you be sayin

that we

should balkanize?

>>137435740
They haven't failed you, they've betrayed you. They're not failing to serve their citizens, they subscribe to universalist ideologies in which they have no obligation towards the people, ideologies where the people exist to serve the state instead of the inverse and where the people can and should be replaced. Both the neocons, the democrats and democratic socialists and what of you outright reject the concept of a birthright. It's a very significant difference, intent. They're not failing, they never had any intent of even trying.
>Instead, we get fed this identity politics crap, where the politicians divide us into groups and get us to hate the other groups
This is a very strange statement. Is it really something exogeneous, there being no internal cause for it? Your demographics have changed massively. There are 3 times more ILLEGAL mexicans now than there were total in 1970. You've gone from an almost exclusively white country to being near losing your majority status. There is good goddamn reason "identity politics" have become relevant since your rulers deigned to replace you.
>Because it distracts us from the topics that matter, the topics they will never bring to the limelight because their handlers and lobbyists would never allow it.
And why is that possible? How can people let themselves be distracted by it? Because it's a fucking problem in its own right, because people are different and you're now a very disparate nation demographically. This would not be possible without "diversity".

They don't need to invent issues to distract you, they don't have to push it. Without sovereignty(with "diversity") there is no effective action. You're reduced to infighting, always.

>>137436515
Free speech includes the freedom to belief in whatever you please and to speak your mind about it. Google the same as the cake shop are both private corporations run by private citizens you just said the cake boss is ok with refusing to serve the queer because its their belief so I think google should be given the same right to fire/hire someone who doesn't adhere to theirs. How are those two any different? If you know Google is leftist then don't work for Google, it doesn't need to hire you. That's the power of the free market. What we should allow is for anyone who is dissatisfied with that to be able to start their own Google and hire/fire who they want. At the end of the day the most fit ideology will win.

>>137437153
Yes, thats the term I was looking for. Although I think that being hostile with one another would not be the correct thing to do since that wouldn't be economically feasible. It would be in the best interest for groups to trade with one another but decide who gets to live in their communities. There should also be a cycle that evaluates the progress of each group.

>>137436009
>Well isn't there a contradiction with wanting both ideologies to be heard/ no suppression of them yet we find it discriminatory that the left pushes for ethnic equality? Shouldn't the most popular ideology be able to win? in a kind of survival of the strongest?
I agree, the strongest one should win, but we're not a civil war now. We're still trying to hold this country together, and suppressing one side's views in favor of the other isn't going to do much for that. This might be a bad comparison, but bear with me. At the end of the Civil War, it would've been both customary and the right thing to do in many peoples' eyes to hang all of the Confederate traitors. However, that would've done nothing good for reconstruction and you'd likely have no chance of uniting the country in that scenario. While the Union won the struggle, they still saw that reconciliation rested on treating their opponents as brothers instead of conquered people. I'm still trying to salvage this country, and I don't want to see the survivalist strategy of all out war and winner takes all yet.