CULTURED THUG VS STEFAN MOLYNEAUX DEBATE

>>137384734
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>>137385244
about 20 minutes in. Molyneaux won't let CT get a word in. I really can't stand that faggot.

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>>137385629
Yes, I agree molymeme is super annoying I don't get why /pol/ likes him so much.

>>137386684
It's because of the (((libertarian))) problem on /pol/.

>>137384734
About 56 minutes in. CT is holding his ground pretty well.

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>>137386758
not liking me is not an argument but me interruptin you every 5 seconds and then kicking you off my show the second you do it to me is valid

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>>137388968
The guy's nickname is Molymeme and it's not for nothing my friend.

>>137388968
kek, true.

>>137386684
No one ever genuinely liked him. Moly is a legitimate cultist. Before this election cycle the only points he ever harped on were things like spanking, rhetoric on how its impossible to love your own parents, and advocating completely shutting people out of your life unless they were AnCaps.

He tried to convince people that they should only speak and associate with people who think exactly like he does, all the while asking for donations to support his cult.

>>137386684
>>137389230

>jews trying to emotionally manipulate us

Try something new. Not an argument.

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About an hour and 14 minutes in. Ironically a lot of the points CT is making about capitalism are some of the same points I've made about it on this board. Except when I make similar points I get a lot of meme responses whereas when CT makes these points people seem to agree with him. Is it because I post with the nazbol flag? I've never understand much of /pol/s defense of capitalism despite it being inherently anti-nationalistic.

>>137389415
>the irony
Moly is literally a Jew who conned AnCap autists into giving him well over $1,000,000 in bitcoins alone.

You're being duped by a narcissistic cultist Jew.

Holy fug wasnt expecting this

>>137390417

>conned

How? Why won't you address any arguments and keep piling on these accusations and other womanly, jewish "tricks" in a pathetic attempt to change dumb people's minds without actually saying anything?

I so very want to see Stefan vs Matt Dillahunty on the value of Christianity to the West.

>>137390716
No arguments have been presented to refute. Do you even know what argumentation is or are you just blindly parroting your cult leader?
Defooing is literally a cult practice used to control your followers. This is not an baseless emotional appeal, that is a fact. Everything I stated about Moly is factual. Pre election his biggest talking points were all about family. Even one of his first ever videos that touched on race realism devolved into how blacks are only worse off because black moms spank their kids more.

Moly's mother is a Jew. By Halakha Moly himself is a Jew. A Jew who begged the goyim for donations always saying things like "This is so important" but then complaining about "one fecking dollah" when people weren't giving enough. Hes a cult leader, and his fans are brain washed cultists. If you even so much as slightly disagree with him on his forum he'll ban you in an instant. He'll ban you if you so much as dare to say you have a good relationship with your parents because that goes against his cultist rhetoric.

Why are you so defensive over this kike? It just makes you seem like you're one of his tribe.

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>>137391122
This is a top tier post.

Anyone have a quick rundown on cultured thug? Is he worth watching?

Molymeme carried himself like a huge douchebag.

>>137391682
Best fascist channel on YouTube in my opinion. The channel is posted is his newest one since his older one got (((shut down))). He does a lot of educational stuff on books, he also has another channel dedicated to the Jewish question.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Ig4vjTn01ViY3rJwLg6Sw

>>137391682
Hes pretty informative, but his videos aren't high production value or anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHibZA-Qs78

If you can watch that for 2mins you'll get a feel for what his style is.

Looks the shills are on a anti-molyneux offensive to punish him for his shows on the google memo. This is probably coming from the same source as those trying to pit /pol/ against Jordan Peterson.

>>137384734
At the end, cultured thug got a little weak.

>>137391682
Thug has shitty production quality but dont be fooled, he's one of the most well read people on third position politics. I can tell you for a fact since finding his videos on NatSoc and Fascism I've gone from being Libertarian to Fascist.

>>137392083
Ha yeah ok whatever makes you sleep at night Stef
"All my opponents are just shills!"

>>137392591
Yeah his videos are pretty good. They're part of the reason I respect fascism as an ideology snf have incorporated some fascistic elements into my own ideology even if I also incorporate a lot of socialist elements into it.

>>137392867
>snf have
and have*

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>Stef literally can't comprehend that the act of governing others is a tool to direct them to some ends

I love watching Stefan's arguments because he instantly reveals he has no debate competence outside of yelling over someone and cutting them off and pretending not to understand what they're saying so they can't make their point then saying they're taking too long.

>>137384734
Why are all alt right people so fucking stupid?

Moly ripped his asshole out, SAD!

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>>137393035
really?? I don't think you watch,t the video

>>137393035
He pretty much refuted all of molymemes "points" and when molymeme felt threatened he'd just autistically interrupt him while getting mad whenever he got interrupted.

>>137393167
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come on man dont fall for such obvious bait

>>137384734
Disagree on the poor geniuses denied access to higher education is some negative thing. There aren't a bunch of poor geniuses who are not able to get into university because they just aren't that smart. I don't think there are a bunch of MENSA members who are black, you have to look at who has the worth. Just send out standardized tests and if you are truly a genius, then you succeed.

molymeme destroyed this idiot. Of course 70% of this thread is the same socialist idiot droning on about how great this guys channel is.

>>137393012

Biggest problem with Molymeme is that he doesn't read that much. If you are going to tackle international politics you need to read. Wikipedia plus general biases and very good logic doesn't cut it.

Parroting about certain contries when you only know them because of "muh TV", "muh Wikipedia", "muh CIA factbook" and "muh gdp stats" is not enough.

>>137393760
>There aren't a bunch of poor geniuses who are not able to get into university because they just aren't that smart.

[Citation Needed]
Adolf Hitler was a homeless orphan, for one example.
But thats the fucking point. Its a meritocracy, IF you have the merit the state will educate you to the best of your ability. Keyword: IF
If you aren't especially gifted, as most people aren't, then there is no tax money going towards educating idiots.
So what exactly is your argument?

>>137393783
Except it is a good channel if you're interested in educational topics.

>>137384734
Thanks. This should be interesting.

The OTHER big problem with Molymeme is his personality. He's not just a cult leader. He's a bully.

He's controls himself when Peterson is on air, because he knows The Pete will smack him hard. Same thing with A.J., maybe not because of his intellect, but because of money. Being blacklisted by A.J. is not a good business model in alternative news.

Joe Rogan has a similar problem, though he's cool.

>>137393783
A person that actually gives all viewpoints a fair shot? How awful!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf6FUMMpZbo
I trust a guy with actual credentials over some balding Jew who got a degree in University.

>>137384734
>1 hour 37 minutes
Who the fuck can waste time for this shit?

>>137393783
Shut the fuck up Ahmed. I was expecting this faggot to get squashed by Molymeme, but he actually held his own and came off with much better arguments than Molyjoo did. He just earned a sub.

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>>137392083
everyone is a jew or controlled opposition...

>>137393992
Fairly certain that most high-earning jobs have high IQs. Source: https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/cde/cdewp/98-07.pdf. Go down to figure 12. It's labelled: "Wisconsin Men's Henmon-Nelson IQ Distributions for 1992-94 Occupation Groups with 30 Cases or More". It's obvious that the upper echelons of employment are reached by those who have higher IQs and are more intelligent. That's because it is demanding, as a career path. It's irrelevant if your parents made poor life decisions/financially immature and could not support you to get into university, if you are truly gifted, you will preform excellently in high school and succeed. It's not honest to assume that all the poor people have some latent intelligence just waiting to be tapped into. If they can't help themselves, then cull them. The mixture of a welfare state with a eugenics program is the only way to go, like the Third Reich had (what with public charity as a gesture of goodwill). If you just leech off the system, then trim the fat.
>Adolf Hitler was a homeless orphan, for one example.
An anomaly, sure.
>Its a meritocracy, IF you have the merit the state will educate you to the best of your ability
Yeah, with scholarships and standardized testing. I don't think just making poor people rich to see if they are smart is a good plan: what if they aren't? Who cares if you don't have a meritocracy?

>>137393992
>If you aren't especially gifted, as most people aren't, then there is no tax money going towards educating idiots.
Yeah, like some early childhood aptitude test. If that's your argument, then we agree. I've only watched the first bit of the video, so I haven't heard his entire stance.

>>137394698
>Fairly certain that most high-earning jobs have high IQs

I never said they didnt? Why this strawman?

>It's not honest to assume that all the poor people have some latent intelligence just waiting to be tapped into.

Am I going to have to repeat myself?
IF you have the merit the state will educate you to the best of your ability. Keyword: IF
If you are NOT gifted, you are not state educated
Meritocracy pays for its self, because you are boosting the highest skilled people straight to the top, who in turn make the most profit and industry.

>The mixture of a welfare state with a eugenics program is the only way to go, like the Third Reich had (what with public charity as a gesture of goodwill). If you just leech off the system, then trim the fat.

The Third Reich was a meritocracy you idiot, exactly the kind Thug is describing.

>>137394963
>I never said they didnt? Why this strawman?
Just showing you that intelligent people already hold the highest paying positions. I've yet to see some examination into poor communities which show that they are being held back by their wealth. "Oh, look at all this human capital lost because they never got into university!" That isn't what's happening. It's dumb and poor people failing, rightfully so (by their own choice on welfare) and smart people succeeding.
>If you are NOT gifted, you are not state educated
So standardized/aptitude testing to see who is and isn't capable? We already do that.
>The Third Reich was a meritocracy you idiot, exactly the kind Thug is describing.
Yeah, and the retards were culled. That's my point.

>>137384734

What a fucking KEK this cultured thug is. I made TWO posts and I'm immediately shadowbanned from his channel. I can't post anything without getting Unknown Error. I tried 4 different browsers, I can comment on other videos.

Fuck you Cultured Thug, your ideology is retarded and based entirely on emotions.

>>137395334
>Just showing you that intelligent people already hold the highest paying positions.

Yes, every single person in high paying positions is a genius, and everyone below is stupid.
Perfect logic.
But thats a strawman, its not the argument. Stupid people are born into wealth all the fucking time. Dont believe me? Look at Hollywood. Most great men in history have come from the gutter, so its incredibly intellectually dishonest to say that all poor people are stupid.

>So standardized/aptitude testing to see who is and isn't capable? We already do that.

Ahahahaha no, we do not have a meritocracy. Having capital does not equate intelligence or positive trats as I just pointed out.
They are RELATED, and the majority of rich people are more intelligent than the poor, but its not a categorical thing.

>Yeah, and the retards were culled. That's my point.

...What is your point? You open by arguing the point with me about how meritocracy isn't viable, and now you're agreeing with me that meritocracy is a good system because the Third Reich did it

>>137391122

So your argument is that kids should stay with their parents REGARDLESS of what the parents are doing to the kids? Beatings, rape, torture, it's all fine, they're the parents and children should stay with their parents according to you.

Why exactly shouldn't children be able to leave involuntary relations?

>>137384734
stephan wins this one

>>137384734
Excuse me why would the greatest philosophers of all time let somebody else speak? What has this guy done to prove himself?

>>137395334
I feel I need to clarify this
Meritocracy is merit based success, not capital based success
You aren't paying for dumb people to abuse welfare, you aren't paying for dumb people at all.
Its not exactly survival of the fittest, more like success of the fittest.

>>137395796
>Yes, every single person in high paying positions is a genius, and everyone below is stupid.
Did you read the source I cited? Observing a trend isn't an absolute.
>Stupid people are born into wealth all the fucking time. Dont believe me? Look at Hollywood
We're talking about higher education and careers that follow, not the 0.0000.....1% of the workforce in Hollywood.
>Most great men in history have come from the gutter, so its incredibly intellectually dishonest to say that all poor people are stupid.
Anomalies, sure.
>Ahahahaha no, we do not have a meritocracy. Having capital does not equate intelligence or positive trats as I just pointed out.
It trends, though. That's the point. Of course it isn't money=MENSA member. But there are observable trends, the data demonstrates this.
>They are RELATED, and the majority of rich people are more intelligent than the poor, but its not a categorical thing.
Yeah, it isn't like an absolute. It's a trend.
>You open by arguing the point with me about how meritocracy isn't viable
As you describe it. It assumes that there is untapped human capital in the poor that is worth investing (b/m)illions of taxpayer dollars into, which I've yet to see a source on your end demonstrating, and it also assumes that the geniuses today who are poor never succeed. I just showed you that there is an observable trend (to reiterate, NOT AN ABSOLUTE) that the upper echelons of employment/the total workforce are more intelligent than the lower ones. The 'smart' people already succeed, regardless of financial circumstance. The minority that don't because they are born broke are irrelevant UNLESS you can cite me a source demonstrating this untapped human market value worth investing in.
>>137396015
>you aren't paying for dumb people at all.
How do you know they are smart? Read the source I linked, you can see that you'll have a good indication based on their career choices because they already succeed.

>>137391122

Great points and well said.

Anytime he's belittling someone, their argument, and spouting the tired meme 'not an argument' phrase, he's projecting. He's projecting his insecurity about his own positions and genuinely worried that his listeners will find him out for what he is and stop giving him shekels.

The 'not an argument' bs isn't even a proper reply. It's meant to shut down the person he's 'debating' and stun their thinking process. If he were being genuine, he wouldn't need to say that all the time and instead try to persuade them using facts.

You can see in his body language as well that he's shifting around and mentally thinking 'hurry up' when listening to a caller's opinion or a guest that he doesn't respect. He's not even really paying attention to what their saying and is impatient because he wants to blurt out his pithy retort. A person's body language and voice tone and phrases they use tel a lot, just like in poker. Molymeme is bluffing most of the time unless his guest is someone far more respected and well known and ten he switches over to courtesan deference mode. He ,must've read up on Robert Greene's 48 Laws.

>>137395918
The fact that you've constructed this nonsensical strawman is proof that you're a brainwashed cult follower.
Anyone who read my post then sees yours will think you're utterly insane.

>>137396015
Just to reiterate: I'm fine with, say, state healthcare ONCE you purge the obese and those of ill-health. They are natural liabilities and are inferior.

>>137396247
>Observing a trend isn't an absolute.

Lmao what?
You JUST said "intelligent people already hold the highest paying positions"
NO, your source shows that the majority of highest paying working POSITIONS go to intelligent people.
Nowhere does this show that rich people are categorically intelligent and poor people categorically stupid. Nowhere does this a address education or wealth explicitly being tied to intelligence.
Not an argument.

>We're talking about higher education and careers that follow, not the 0.0000.....1% of the workforce in Hollywood.

I dont know what the fuck you're talking about anymore
Address the argument stop dodging the goal posts

>Anomalies

What does that even mean?
If there aren't many intelligent people in poor communities, then you aren't paying for that unintelligent majority, you're ONLY PAYING FOR THE INDIVIDUAL
What dont you fucking understand about this? Its such a simple concept holy shit
IF (keyword: IF) you are gifted but poor, you will be educated to the best of your ability.
How many times do I have to repeat this?

>It trends, though. That's the point. Of course it isn't money=MENSA member. But there are observable trends, the data demonstrates this.

You've completely lost me here, sounds like you're arguing against yourself now

>Yeah, it isn't like an absolute. It's a trend.

I KNOW, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO JUST ARGUED IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS DISCUSSION
HOLY FUCK!

>It assumes that there is untapped human capital in the poor that is worth investing (b/m)illions of taxpayer dollars into

DOES IT? Who fucking said that?
Meritocracy is boosting up people who are already gifted if they were born into a poor family that cant afford them schooling
What is so. fucking. difficult. for you to understand?

>How do you know they are smart?

FACEPALM
I'm not arguing all poor people are intelligent, thats retarded and wrong
I'm literally citing the definition of Meritocracy as used in the Reich

>>137397133

>Defooing is literally a cult practice used to control your followers.

This was your statement. Defooing is the act of leaving your parents if the relationship is bad for you as the child. It doesn't come with YOU MUST DO THIS.

By saying you are against children leaving their parents if they are bad for the child, you are saying that ANYTHING that parents do to their children goes.

Or did you just not know what defoo is?

>>137397265
You dont understand what meritocracy is and your arguments are a mess, please stop.
Meritocracy isn't modern welfare. Its survival of the fittest, kulling off the weak and stupid.

>>137391122
Now i have seen it all, a fascist being mad about cult leaders

Yes one shouldn't blindly follow their leader lmao

>>137397488
>Defooing is the act of leaving your parents if the relationship is bad for you as the child.
This statement you've made is now an outright lie. Moly says that by default ALL relationships between parent and child are bad. He says that it is literally impossible for you to have a good relationship with your parents, hes even gone so far as to say its impossible for you to really love your parents. Defooing doesn't just extend to your family however. Moly dictates, and I mean dictates, that you must rid your life of all non AnCaps. He has banned people from his forum for not defooing.

You're shilling, relying on irrational strawman fallacies, now you're just blatantly lying.

>>137397644
nice bait

This isn't even the debate this is just some faggot talking to himself.

Stop shilling your nigger tier ecelebs.

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>>137397334
>Lmao what? You JUST said "intelligent people already hold the highest paying positions"
Yes, as an observable trend. They already do. Here's an image of what I'm talking about, seems like you can't find it.
>NO, your source shows that the majority of highest paying working POSITIONS go to intelligent people.
No, they don't 'go to' them, they earn them. Higher IQ people earn better-paying jobs, they don't just come across them.
>Nowhere does this show that rich people are categorically intelligent and poor people categorically stupid
Because that's not the point of the examination, it isn't meant to examine what you state.
>Nowhere does this a address education or wealth explicitly being tied to intelligence.
No, that's not what it does, either. It's meant to show that smarter people already succeed in life. Income attainment is actually a multi-faceted issue. A proportion can be derived from environmental causes and a proportion can be determined from genetic causes (with respect to variation as a group).
>I dont know what the fuck you're talking about anymore
I'm stating that Hollywood is a blip in the total workforce and citing the dunces who just-so-happen to be rich is statistically irrelevant.
>What does that even mean?
Being statistically insignificant. I know many tall Chinese people, doesn't mean that they are all tall, or tend to be taller, on average. I know many smart poor people, doesn't mean that there are MENSA members who are homeless and poor UNLESS you can cite it. Burden of proof is on you.
>IF (keyword: IF) you are gifted but poor, you will be educated to the best of your ability.
We already do that. SAT tests weed out the dumb from the smart, regardless of income. It doesn't cost thousands of dollars to take an SAT test, if you're in high school, you take it.
>You've completely lost me here
A trend is not an absolute. Just because East Asians tend to be shorter doesn't mean they are all 5'0". Apply that logic to the data I cited.

>>137398012
Anon are you fucking arguing that right now in America you have Third Reich style meritocracy? Because if all the people at the top of society are intelligent and everyone below is stupid, that's meritocracy.

>>137397334
>I KNOW, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO JUST ARGUED IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE
[citation needed]
Link the post where I stated that there can be no anomalies and "smart & poor" people.
I've argued the opposite, but that anomalies are statistically irrelevant.
>Meritocracy is boosting up people who are already gifted if they were born into a poor family that cant afford them schooling
SAT tests and early-childhood aptitude tests already do this.
>I'm not arguing all poor people are intelligent, thats retarded and wrong
And I'm not arguing that all rich people are intelligent. I'm stating that they tend to be more smart, on average, which is why they are rich.
>>137397623
>You dont understand what meritocracy is and your arguments are a mess, please stop.
This is a statement without evidence. I've already claimed that meritocracy ought not to be some ideal goal if it means investing that much effort into a "maybe there are smart people here...". Smart people already succeed.
>>137398162
>Anon are you fucking arguing that right now in America you have Third Reich style meritocracy?
No, I'm not. I have not claimed anything of the sort.
>Because if all the people at the top of society are intelligent and everyone below is stupid, that's meritocracy.
As a whole, we already have that as those who occupy the STEM fields and whatnot are already the smartest members of society.

>>137398323
This arguments over bro, you're monumentally thick.
It's such a simple concept that I dont care to repeat myself for the 50th time.
Capitalism isn't meritocracy. Meritocracy is what you just said would be ideal.
And I quote; " The mixture of a welfare state with a eugenics program is the only way to go, like the Third Reich had (what with public charity as a gesture of goodwill). If you just leech off the system, then trim the fat. "

>>137384734
not impressed with the fascist so far..
> muh nationalized education
> muh nationalized healthcare
he doesn't understand economics, he's a low IQ turdbrain. sorry kids.

>>137398654
>This arguments over bro, you're monumentally thick.
Withdrawing yourself from a debate is the easiest way to cede your stance: you can't be asked to defend it properly.
>Capitalism isn't meritocracy. Meritocracy is what you just said would be ideal.
I know it isn't. I'm not a capitalist.
>And I quote
Yeah, I stand by my quote. Cull the masses of the retards and fags, then you have the ideal citizens left over.

>>137384734
ITT: /jewypol/ shill faggots

>>137398654
Yo, is this guy retarded?

>>137389230
Source, shill faggot.

Don't bother, though. I know you can't provide any.

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>>137393988
That's the inherent flaw of most libertarians. They are intelligent without being informed. They apply pretty good logic without having broad knowledge base to analyze. They'll parse archaic conspiracy theories and achieve middling life success. They are harmless.

>>137390716
Because shills like him use 99% character assassination tactics to reach their goals. Anybody who visited /pol/ for the last 6 months regularly knows what's up.

>>137398952
What fucking debate!? You're arguing against yourself!
Not all rich people are intelligent, and not all poor people are stupid, you said yourself its simply a "trend". The majority of rich people are intelligent, and the majority of poor people are stupid.
That has NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on meritocracy.
You aren't "pumping billions of dollars" into the lower class, you are educating a gifted individual. Not a group. An individual. If the individual doesn't exist, he is not educated by the state. If he does exist, you get the picture.
Do you understand what meritocracy is now?

meritocracy
ˌmɛrJˈtɒkrəsi/
noun
noun: meritocracy

government or the holding of power by people selected according to merit.
"progress towards meritocracy was slow"
a society governed by people selected according to merit.
plural noun: meritocracies
"Britain is a meritocracy, and everyone with skill and imagination may aspire to reach the highest level"
a ruling or influential class of educated or able people.
"the relentless advance of the meritocracy"

>>137399127
His own videos, you intellectually dishonest muppet.
If you were even remotely familiar with the man you'd be aware of his stances.

The question is why are you showing up in a thread to vehemently defend this kike?

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CT needs more subs.
I know him for 6 months now, watched all of his vids, and I have to say that he is one of the most literate and well-educated fascists on youtube.
9/10 channel, just because his production quality is pretty low.

>>137399599
>What fucking debate!? You're arguing against yourself!
So why respond.
>Not all rich people are intelligent
>and not all poor people are stupid
Never claimed that.
>The majority of rich people are intelligent, and the majority of poor people are stupid
Bingo.
>That has NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on meritocracy.
I don't care about the few poor people who are smart.
>You aren't "pumping billions of dollars" into the lower class, you are educating a gifted individual. Not a group. An individual. If the individual doesn't exist, he is not educated by the state. If he does exist, you get the picture.
They are a tiny minority not worth the time.

>>137386550
>A COMMIE FUCKING STEALING OTHER PEOPLES MEMES AGAIN

Just. Fuck. Off.

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>>137399916
You're actually one of the stupidest people I've ever encountered on this website.
>I know it isn't. I'm not a capitalist.
Yes you are. You are literally defending capitalism and saying that it already is a merit based system. You dont even understand your own ideas.

>>137400034
Nazbols are bigger autists even than the AynCraps.
Just ignore them.

>>137400133
>You're actually one of the stupidest people I've ever encountered on this website.
What is the point you're making, because calling me a dummy doesn't get your point across reasonably.
>Yes you are. You are literally defending capitalism and saying that it already is a merit based system. You dont even understand your own ideas.
No, I'm not. I'm not for privatization of education. I don't believe in it. I believe in a mixed economy. If you want to, you can pay for higher education, to a point. Cull the population of the dimwits and non-whites first.

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>>137400034
>quit stealing muh memes!!1!
I didn't even make the meme. I just randomly picked it out of my chad folder but it makes me laugh how much it triggered your autism. I'll be sure to use it more often now.

>>137384734

molyneux is a smug cunt who thinks he's much smarter than he actually is. he argues in bad faith, constantly cuts people off, pretends not to understand the points they make to try to make them look dumb, uses stawmen constantly... I don't understand why people still watch him.

>>137392591
>most well read
>says Germans were fascists
Hitler never called the Nazi movement fascist. Read mein Kampf he never refers to it as fascist once. Fascism was also borne out of Bolshevism by leftist Jews in Italy as an answer to the end of socialism almost mirroring the rise of communism in Russia.

>>137393783
30 mins in and Molymeme got destroyed on free market and ethics.

>>137402158

forgot to add: insults rather than debating in a mature way, and drones on way too fucking long to make even a simple point.

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>>137402530
>If I don't call myself a rapist, I can't possibly be one no matter how much non-consensual sex I have.

>>137397767
>Moly says that by default ALL relationships between parent and child are bad. He says that it is literally impossible for you to have a good relationship with your parents, hes even gone so far as to say its impossible for you to really love your parents.

This is a lie.

>>137404345
Google defoo. You might be surprised.

I was rooting for CT until they started talking about the corn farms.

Appeal-to-sentiments arguments like "mexicans took our juhbs" are stupid. Molymeme hit him on the head with a sledgehammer at that point.

This "soft fascism" he proposes is ridiculous because he's trying to appeal to people who don't take fascism in a good way, and for good reason because it's not a pleasant form of society for most people. He should stop trying to apply this pink-tinted window like ethical incentives and go straight to the point: fascism needs a dictator and a strong army, at least until the degenerates are physically removed then we revert back to freedom-based society and we repeat ad-nauseam.

And at this point I'm absolutely positive we won't ever see a fascist society again so I'd rather have a freedom-based one.

Like Molyneux I don't care if we go to Mars or not. You can't pretend to care about higher purposes when the lower purposes aren't dealt with anymore.

Higher purposes don't win you elections. If you want higher purposes, scrap elections altogether and take over the country.
In the meantime I'd rather have private property, guns to defend it and food on the table everytime I'm hungry.

12 minutes in and CT hasn't said anything concrete

>things should be like X
>things should be like Y
>things should be like Z

ok but how would you get there?
once you delve into the specifics and practicality of these issues, you'll find that the private market is a much better solution to these issues

he brings up "going into debt" for people that can't pay for college but want to go anyway.
yeah and what happens to those people?
they get a degree and a well paying job and are able to pay off their debt. the private market has solved the issue.

>but muh huffingtonpost tells me that college kids are in debt for a PhD and then can't find a job!

yeah those are gender studies majors. the only solution to that issue would be to take control of the university majors, but that opens up a whole new can of worms

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fascism is so cringeworthy

>t-things should be this way I envisioned in my wet dream

Molymeme is the type of sophist that Socrates warned people about.

>>137405266
>100k debt is good

>>137407149
He is a trained actor.

And of course he starts spouting about the "international finance" right towards the end.

Man up and name the jew.
If you want to name the jew but can't back your thoughts up with concrete arguments, don't bother at all.

More government has been tried countless times, it failed.
Let's try less government and see how it fares.

>>137407149
>>137407223

https://www.amazon.com/forall-Calgary-Remix-Introduction-Formal/dp/1546435115

learn to make an argument please

>>137407398
What do you want me to say, hue hue? He rides around issues and talks down to people. He sounds right without BEING right. His vocabulary is frivolous.

>>137407398
I'm made a simple statement that Molyneux is a classically trained actor. This would enhance his ability to share his message. If he is a sophist, it would make him more effective. No matter what it is worth knowing that Molyneux speaks for dramatic effect.

>>137402530
National Socialism is Fascist philosophy. You clearly haven't read Mein Kampf which you are apparently quoting. Imperial Japan was also philosophically Fascist. So was the Iron Guard, and the Spanish Falange.

>>137407868
Christopher Hitchens 2.0

>>137407868
>>137407872


again, statements with no backings

https://courses.washington.edu/ling473/forallx.pdf

here's the free pdf -- only 160 pages

>>137389230
>No one ever genuinely liked him.
Yet he's pulled in over a million in donations

>rhetoric on how its impossible to love your own parents
I'm not a fan of Molymeme, but even I know he never said that. He's said plenty of retarded shit, there's no need to make up shit.

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>>137408077
Why are you defending this hack? I'm not going to nitpick his videos and give you specific examples of him spitting bullshit, If you can't tell he's a con then you are a moron but i don't expect much more from you.

>>137408077
I'm not insulting the man, hell I've taken acting classes too. If someone mentioned that I am an experienced debater and have taken acting classes that wouldn't be an insult. It would tell people that I would be a better bullshitter though. If I decided to bullshit.

As soon as I realized it's a video where his arguments are later sugarcoated in a separate edit I stopped watching. It's no better than if Molyneux took this same tape and put his commentary on it.

>>137410195
Because Moly talked over him at every point and strawmanned all of his arguments, didn't even give him a chance to explain himself
Thanks for your shitpost though

>BUT THE GOUVERNMENT IS MAN, MAN WOMAN AND VOTERS
No the gouvernment is a tool

And right there, I realised that the reason schools are shit and people don't get very good education anymore isn't necessarily because of gouvernment interference, but because all the teachers are Marxist.
Imagine a teacher who's not Marxist.
That'd be fucking brilliant wouldn't it?

>>137399656
> Before this election cycle the only points he ever harped on were things like spanking, rhetoric on how its impossible to love your own parents, and advocating completely shutting people out of your life unless they were AnCaps.
That's how I know you're a shill faggot. Why did you leave out welfare, crime, immigration, socialism, race, etc out?
Because you're nothing but a filthy kike rat who gets paid to shill here.
Molyneux is an ally and you morons have been shilling against him in a coordinated effort for the past few months and I've always called you out like I do now. Who are you calling a kike, kike?
Saying "his own videos" is not a fucking source, you lying filthy jew. Try again.

>>137412487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZkMc5bvuyQ
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=-ZkMc5bvuyQ

>>137412487
He's an ally in that he introduces normies to basic redpills, but that does not protect him from criticism where it's due.
Outside of the odd redpill here and there, he's still AnCap.
Do you know why he inevitably started talking about race realism?
It's not because he made a turn to the realistic.
He realised that the only way, the literal only way AnCap society is gonna work is when the only people alive in it have high enough intelligence to function, and most whites and blacks don't.
What makes this hypocritical is that the eugenics that follow after the redpills on racial IQ will either require some mad indoctrination (surely you want the best for your children, get eugenics) or state enforcement but to him that's fine, since a gouvernment isn't a tool to him, but people.
He'd be government's #1 fan if it were libertarian, and all of a sudden totalitarian behaviour would suit him just fine. Not meritocracy, but technocracy.

Still love his factual analysis though.

>>137400034
/pol/ is literally 100% memes from the other boards with a swastika on them.

>>137393012
>Stefan: But your government uses VIOLENCE to get what it wants

Isn't this guy meant to be a capitalist? How can you enforce private property with no violence?
Any single person who agrees that private property should exist must also agree that violence to prevent theft should exist, else how the fuck do you prevent it?

>be ancap memelad
>own a house
>5 guys walk into your house
>ask them to leave
>"no"
What now? What the fuck do you do that can't be considered violence?

>>137413671
That's where the mythical meme known as the Non-Agression Principle comes in.
>be AnCap memelad
>own a house
>5 guys walk into your house
>ask them to leave
>"no"
>they violate the NAP
>be at liberty to blow their face off with a shotgun without any consequence
In his mind, the gouvernment can't have this protection because taxation is theft and because theft violates the NAP, the gouvernment violates the NAP.

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it must be annoying as fuck to debate molyneaux in real time

hes a bullheaded pod person with over tones of "muh children" every 10 seconds

>>137414909
>what is the social contract
By being part of the country, you agree to pay taxes in exchange for using the protection of that country and other services it provides.
You literally have the ID, which is a contract between you and the country. Your birth certificate too.

Ancaps should go live in Somalia if they hate taxes so much.

>>137415187
I concur, but sadly I don't have a meme show with hundreds of thousands of normies to inundate with monologues.

>>137415016
He takes turn between muh children and muh profits.
In the video in the OP he says "so what if we put men on the moon, who gives a shit, what a waste of money", rephrasing.
In another video he says "who cares if we discover some subparticle, wasting money on physics is retarded, go make me an iphone".
This one is more or less a quite, he asked the physicists at CERN to stop doing what they are doing, and go make iPhones, since these are immediately useful and profitable.

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>>137415187

>>137386684
before the reddit invasion people didn't actually take him seriously, it's another case of newfags taking a joke seriously

>>137386684
Because he is valuable in spreading the message of human biodiversity. He can be obnoxious but so what? He's been more useful on his own than the entirety of the alt right put together so far.

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>>137416159
It's not like racial infographs have been created and spread on 4chan for at least a decade.

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>>137389230
>advocates individualism
>HE'S A CULTIST!!!!

>>137394635
I don't really believe in the jew stuff m4

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>>137415187
>the social contract

>>137416334
Its not like 90% of them don't have at the very least one very easily provable wrong or misused graph, or can't be sourced to some white pride website and dismissed by a neutral reader.

>>137416644
Did the green shirt guy move to Somalia?

>>137416476
The way I see it there are two positions in this video
>embolden and empower the individual by using the collective and in improving the individual, improve the collective through his merit, without discriminating
>embolden and empower the individual at the cost of the collective no matter what
I'll grant you a hint by saying Molyneux spent most of the video arguing against the former.

>>137384734
starting his video whining about being bitchslapped by Molymemes.
Helicopter ride for this faggot.

>>137417128
>started the video by admitting he didn't perform as well as he had hoped
>claims that Molymeme kept interrupting him
>posts the entire conversation with analytic interludes to prove it
Honesty would do you good, anon.

>>137386684
He is a pseudo intellectual, condescending, holier than thou, "my shit doesn't smell" prick who interrupts and doesn't listen. How could the majority of /pol/ NOT resonate with him?

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>>137384734
did .... did he call him Stefan Molyneil?
>debate over
>stupidity present
>time saved: 1 hour 37 minutes

Molyneux has always been insufferable when dealing with callers who disagree with him or even have any criticism of him on anything whatsoever.

And his defense is always that it's his show and he can do as he pleases, which is fair enough, but you can't do that and then pretend like you have any kind of integrity. To be fair, a lot of the people who seem to call in are retarded, but some of them aren't.

I haven't watched this vid yet and I probably won't because I can't stand any of molymemes call in videos anymore. I'm only in it for the interviews and "truth about x" or daily argument vids.

Now I would love to see Molyneux debate someone competent in an actual debate setting, not on his show where he can completely control the conversation, because he would probably do better honestly.

I can't stand either.
Quick rundown?
Does CT bring up white ethnostate? If so, timemark?
I want to hear molymeme response

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>>137392083
And they all are either flagfags or shitposters. Not really helping their cause haha but yeah this place has gone to shit, no breaking news, no valid arguments, just alt-right nazi larpers and shills.

>>137384734
oh

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>>137384734