Why are so many of you guys so cucked on economics?

>>137350653
Not everyone here is like that.

Capitalism has corrupted into such deep corporatism that it can't be defended anymore. There is a coming socialist wave and if we want to preserve ourselves from compete against blatant neocommunism that seeks to destroy the foundation of western civilization then we need to ride the socialist wave.

/pol/ will eventually realize this.

>>137351370
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "neocommunism"? Are you talking about the social justice types who call themselves "communists" and actively ally themselves with groups like BLM?
If that's who you're talking about I can't stand those people either. It kind of sucks that there are no economically radical left wing parties in the U.S. that also advocate white racial preservation.

>>137350653
Do you know what fascism is?

>>137352433
I know what it is in principal but most people who call themselves "fascists" aren't fascists. They're just racialist libertarians or edgy teenagers.

>>137350653
Meanwhile on communist forums
>Fascism is literally capitalism!
Meanwhile on libertarian forums
>Fascism is literally socialism!

When will you fucks understand it's neither? There's a reason it's called the third way, and you don't have to be strasserautism or nazbol to do it.

>>137350653
A nation need to value by comparison to other nations.

Its not like we can go by cows or hard workers. So we go by (basically) money.

>>137353016
I don't think all forms of fascism are capitalistic in nature nor do I think all forms of socialism are fascistic in nature although I think there can be some overlaps. National syndicalism, Strasserism, Ba'athsim, and national bolshevism come to mind.

>>137353367
Literally no forms of fascism are capitalism or socialism in their conventional meaning (unless you really stretch it).

Natsynd, Strasserism, Nazbolememery are communist ideologies with nationalism slapped onto them instead of internationalist rhetoric.

National Capitalism is what would be more properly a nationalist capitalism.

Nearly no actual fascist ideologies fall under these two categories.

nazbol is /leftypol/ subversion.

What did you people ever do aside from placing your shitty flag here on 4chan? Where is a public face representing you?

Go back to /leftypol/ and stay there.

laissez-faire capitalism is obviously degenerate

communism, however, in all its forms and every historical expression is pure 1000% retardation

a proper authoritarian state will have controls, there are moral and other goods
that are superior to the ability of a man being able to get a lot of money for himself

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>>137351370
>capitalism has failed
>we'll have to switch to a ideology that has failed spectacularly every single time

>>137350653
>hurr facist economics is great
>proceeds to get BTFO in World War II by commies and capitalists

>>137353367
How is socialism fascistic exactly? Some forms of fascism take socialist concepts, but fascism tends to be fascist, rather than capitalist or socialist.
When you compare fascism to capitalism or communism you not only assume it's an empty ideology, but you're using it as name calling for what you perceive as your political opponent.

>>137350653
I hate every ideology that tries to put me at the level of the masses. I am not the same as other spaniards. I am not the same as most people. I am superior, I have an aristocratic soul.

>>137353601
This is the fun that I have with this. People hate nazis, but don't know what a nazi is.

It is like sending an apprentice out looking for a sky-hook. Eventually they will find something....it is not a sky hook, but they are happy.

Same exact thing.

t:skilled construction

>>137353879
Marxist class division. Divide et Impera. You're not the masses, but you're first defined by your spanish identity.

>>137350653
>I can't comprehend how one can think that capitalism and nationalism are in any way compatible
They're compatible if you make them compatible with your nation's law.
This is nothing new. There was a time of international laissez-faire before WW1. This is largely what people revolted against (on all sides): being ruled over by cabals operating at a supra-national level. Following WW2 the population had to be appeased with more economic protectionism and workers rights. In theory trade can be good for all parties involved, but the problem is that multinational entities become too powerful and don't play by the rules people have set in place to prevent their own exploitation.
This protectionism was gradually removed as a new phase of globalization started. There was a first significant step in the 70s as part of a plan by the US to transform china into a capitalist economy. It worked. There was another significant step following the fall of the USSR. Instead of cutting the pentagon's massive budget (and give people a "peace dividend"), the US opted to keep it and use their might to stabilize the world's markets and takeover the global financial system to make up for it. Now this global system they have set up is coming back to absorb the US itself.
I always considered myself kind of a leftist but I realize how it destroys cultures now.
In the past, our "liberty" came with more real economic freedom. If people didn't like their working conditions in a factory, they would just go the fuck back to their farm. Workers had some bargaining power. It's not like that anymore.
I'm for welfare only if it could be implemented in a way that gives people more bargaining power. Not as some sort of a trap like it is now. Corporations found other ways to remove workers' bargaining power. And everyone pays for those they refuse to employ. Lack of protectionism and stupid regulations have a lot to do with the current situation (but of course this was all done on purpose).

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>>137350653
>cucked on economics
>libertarians/ancaps

Every time a nazbol flag appears, it is always to bash capitalism. NEVER to defend white interests.

That's because it's /leftypol/ thinking they can convert anyone into their disaster or ideology that every smart kike abandoned half a century ago.

>>137354134
I have nothing in common with the average citizen of any western country. Nothing.

>>137350653
>NazBol
Even leftypol knows you are autistic as fuck

>>137350653
>let's preserve the greatness of our people by subsizing the parasitic lifestyle of the worst members of our people
>it's okay to be a parasite if you are one of us :^)
Free market or fuck off.

>>137354350
Cool story bro

>lets kill millions of our own people
>geez guys what the heck relax

>>137354350
Adapt or perish, snowflake.

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>>137353797
>top three greatest world economic powers,UK USSR USA
>massive populations
>enormous geographical expanses
>seemingly endless raw materials
>industrialized

>has trouble taking on a small island nation, separated from a handful of colonies with little raw materials and recent industrialization
>a heavily industrialized but indebted nation with no value in it's currency, surrounded on all sides except south, and going through a period of soul shrinking degeneracy
>...Italy....

It's a wonder the Axis btfo of all the smaller nations and lasted as long as they did tbqh

>>137350653

Die faggot

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>>137350653
You put it that way nazbol, it makes a lot of sense. I'll cease my screechings.

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>>137355063
>Natcucks actually believe this

Absolutely serf-tier. Have fun licking the boots of better whites than you, friend.

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>>137355221
lol okay

>>137350653
>communists
>defend traditions
pick one you can't have both

>>137350653
I reject both capitalist and socialist economics, but I'd vote for Nazbol if it was our only hope. A wise man once said, "Everything can be made into something better, provided always the racial blood is kept pure."

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Until we proclaimed our doctrine, in front of us, capitalist individualism and communist collectivism rose triumphal, the shadow of their imperial wings extending in every path open to mankind… This way, Justicialism was born, under the supreme aspiration of a high ideal. The Justicialism, created by us and for our descendants, as a third ideological position aimed to liberate us from capitalism without making us fall into the oppressing claws of collectivism.

-Juan Peron

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>OP conflates corporatism with capitalism.

The only free market is the black one, anon

>>137350653
Nazbol is so fucking stupid and makes no sense. Marx was against nationalism. All of the bolsheviks opposed nationalism.

Leftist parties and politicians worldwide support mud migration and ooen borders, borders are a right-wing reactionary policy.

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>>137355620
National Socialism is so fucking stupid and makes no sense. Marx was against nationalism. All of the Marxists opposed nationalism.

Socialist parties and politicians worldwide support mud migration and ooen borders, borders are a right-wing reactionary policy.

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>>137355620
That's why there are nationalist bolsheviks famalam. To correct Marxist failings. It became apparent during world war 2 in the USSR that religion and nationalism are the greatest social mechanics for keeping a peoples united as a state (not even just politically). Thus, the nazbols learned from their mistakes and revised them, and Strasserites were always in that camp to begin with.

>>137355263
as with all collectivist lefty-posing-as-righty fags, he completely misses the point of free market capitalism.

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>>137350653
>capitalism has been corrupted
>its obvious we need to switch to an ideology that is even more easily corrupted
Daily reminder that the only form of socialism that has ever worked was the national, anti-jewish kind. Jews are the problem, not capitalism.

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>>137355063
praise Kek!

>>137355936
>lefty-posing-as-righty fags
>im too fucking dumb to understand that not everything is left or right
>i dont understand what third position is

>>137355966
National Bolshevism and Strasserism are in the same vein as National Socialism

>>137350653
And communism will bring starvation.

>>137356220
Nobody is advocating for Communism

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>>137356129
>are in the same vein as National Socialism
Just with more jewish influence?

>>137354920
I live better than 95% of europeans, don't worry.

>>137350653
Your answer to corporatism is to institute a similar top down stratification of individual sovereignty, society, governance, economics and commerce.

Well, OP, the notion of property rights will always be a monkey wrench to your authoritarian ambitions because the most fundamental means of production is an individual man's own body, mind, time, will, labor and all the fruits thereof.

Such being exclusive to the individual and no other, constitutes propriety/dominion over property. The US was founded on protecting such as a right secured to the people.

>>137356368
Explain where this viewpoint comes from. Stalin could be seen as a National Bolshevist, and he purged Bolshevist Jews. I don't really see your point here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

>>137356485
>implying any real life patrician would have to validate himself to anons on a German waltz forum

>>137355916
Marxists are fucking stupid, especially in the 21st century with technology and economic conditions that Marx didn't really imagine. E.g. not even Marx demanded free health care and sex changes for everyone on Earth. But beyond that, Marxists just don't have an identity, they end up schizophrenic in the Deleuzean sense. Race and nation are the only possible positive identities in the 21st century.

What the fuck is your identity in Marxist utopian borderless world? "I'm a worker", oh really? When robots do all the jobs? When no one holds whatever jobs the robots can't do (yet) for more than a year? You base your identity in what, exactly? Negatively, in how you totally are not a Nazi? You take your identity from old bourgeois fiction or proletariat nonfiction about the workers of your grandpas generation before the dictatorship of the proles finally won? Base your identity on video games? It certainly won't be any religion.

Without Nation and race, the end game of Marxism is literal zombies, with no ego, no identification with anything, not even with a trade or career or profession, since those won't exist anymore.

>>137356892
I am not validating anything. I just had luck regarding my economic situation, which has nothing to do with what I was claiming.

I am spiritualy superior. It's a fact. And I would still be so if I was piss poor.

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>>137356971
wtf do u even think im saying? im not a marxist dude

>>137357090
hahaha you're a try hard man

Best I can do is National Socialism.

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>>137357111
Apparently some wonder whether you've truly sorted that out, OP. Everything that isn't conducive to voluntary free association is just another form of authoritarianism, be it commie-ism or whatever have you in mind.

>>137357649
I'm not the OP

>>137355916
National Socialism isn't Marxist socialism. It tried (and obviously failed) to co opt the term "socialism" (think, the Russian revolution was very recent, and marxist socialism hadn't properly kicked off) to mean classic Prussianism. It's not marxist redistributionism, it's ethnic nationalism but also tries to restrain some of the abuses of 100% capitalism. It uses state power to employ people, not give them free money. National Socialism believes in free enterprise, and that you should be rewarded for your ingenuity and hard work, but also that you should care for your brothers and sisters, who are your extended tribe.

If you're interested, this was amalgamated from audio clips of George Lincoln Rockwell who ran the American Nazi Party in the 60's. He fought in two wars and was a Naval Commander. Some of his full college speeches are on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9oUqIcX-c

>>137357973
I was making fun of that retard and how stupid his post was im natsoc u mongo

>>137357695
K...my mistake...regardless, if not a communism, what it is you advocate is in question.

>>137358293
NatSoc

but NazBol and Strasserism are both derivatives, and I would support them if it was all we had to preserve our people

>>137357208
Whatever.

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>>137358034
Woops

It's a good video anyway so oh well

>for any bluepilled lurkers

>>137358412
i know GLR my man

>>137358372
That's fair, if Canada wants to go NasBoz that's their right of self determination

>>137358372
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification, anon.

I'm one of those assholes who leans toward Civic Nationalism being a paramount objective to achieve in the US given the nefarious objectives of globalism. If we can't achieve and maintain sovereignty as a nation with values worth securing and protecting then there's provably no hope for y'all NatSoc folk.

The US is the final canary in the coal mine with regard to lines being drawn in concrete rather than sand.

because communism is political judaism and has killed more than 100 million people in the last 100 years. therefore any communist is obviously blue pilled as fuck on economics.

not to mention you assholes all want to make yourselves kings of the plebs and control the means of production, whatever the fuck that means. you are nowhere near where you need to be to engage in meaningful discussion on the topic but shoot me a message if you decide to drop the political judaism... im not a genocidal maniac and am not interested

https://churchofentropy.wordpress.com/?s=economics

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>>137355063
>Communism: heritage is reactionary, history is imperialist.

Communists prefers materialistic and scientific look on history from Maxirsm positions. They not denied it, they just explain it from they point of view, where economic basis is main core of all processes. There is lot of monuments and stories about heroes of the past in Soviet culture from middle ages to modern times and some Feodal and Imperiaistic Russian rulers are among them.

>Communism: all cultures must be destroyed and made one.

Soviet Union was union of national republics, ruled by national elites and keeps national traditions, culture and languages during times of industrialization and urbanization, when ancient ways were broken due progress and Whateverstan people stop praying allah and wearing hidjab and start educate they children and build factories.

>Communism: social bonds are bourgeois. Preference for your nation even your family is racist.

Communist propaganda spent a lot of time speaking abount PROUD FOR NATIONAL CULTURE and HEALTHY GOOD FAMILY but you think they want otherwise. And in the national republics was strong preference for their domestic nations all the time.

>>137361594
Leninist Bolshevism != Stalinist Communism

Stalin did nothing wrong

>>137350653
Here's an idea tart, what if you like i don't know regulate the market and make sensible laws that are followed, i know it is revolutionary, it might even be utopian but it has not been tried yet.