Why is it always Nazi larping instead of an American version

>>137290691
make 3 critiques of actual National Socialist policy. go ahead. I'll wait.

>>137290691
>If you were to ask the average Nazi larper at that rally or those on /pol/ to describe their ideal government it would be a democratic society with democratic values
literally what
/pol/ does not support democracy at all.

>>137290852
it's too artificial and tries too hard. it's victim (along with socialism) to the same utopian and materialistic delusion that the world and the human condition in general (or in this case the race/nation/whatever) can be permanently improved through technology or genetic purity.

on the other hand, pure conservativism has no "guard" against the left, it's more sincere but it's also more prone to being torn apart. fascism at least can defend against that.

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>>137292567
>can be permanently improved through technology or genetic purity.
whats your argument that it cant be?

>>137291048
That's not true. There have been threads before about what /pol/'s ideal society would be and almost none of the comments rejected democracy. The Nazi stuff on here mostly just people trying to be edgy.

>>137292846
because it's really idealistic and always ends in failure.

I mean look and every single post soviet country today. Aside from economic issues the ideology of the ussr had very little, and mostly even the OPPOSITE effect on them. A government imposing an ideology won't do anything to the true nature of that NATION, that's tied to spirit and history and other factors that a government simply can't fix and that technology can't fix.

the permanent solution honestly seems to be poverty. but I also feel like that can't be right. I don't really know.

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>>137291048

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>>137293456
>because it's really idealistic and always ends in failure.
in 4 years hitler fixed germany's economy and ended rampant degeneracy. im not understanding your critique of actual national socialism. look bruh... White Nationalism the movement, Alt-Right and even Neo-Nazism are all Jewish tricks. NatSoc is the answer because its the only system Jews can't corrupt..so they have to create things like WN and Neo-Nazism to divert away from it.

>>137292846
This is a really interesting quote. What he said, makes absolute sense.

>>137290852
I wasn't criticizing National Socialist policy. What I am saying is that if you support National Socialism you should want to create an American version rather than waving the flag of Nazi Germany. It would also be far more marketable to America without the Nazi imagery.

However if I was to critique NS I would say they were too fanatical with anti-sementism and that it Is bad to have a single all powerful leader. I would support an authoritarian state but not an all powerful authoritarian leader.

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>>137294065
for sure m8

>>137290691
This desu, Nazism is a system designed for and by Germans
America is a different organism and there fore a requires a system suited to it. Whether it be atweaked version of NS or a new form of Facism/ right wing authoritarianism.
But Democracy, much like you OP, is gay

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>>137294328
>they were too fanatical with anti-sementism
Jews are enacting white genocide and trying to take over the world. You sure they were too fanatical?

>>137294466
incorrect. Hitler designed NatSoc for the entire world.

I just want a form of government where the security, safety and well-being of the people is the number one priority. I'm sick of these alt-right faggots, I'm sick of the leftist faggots, I'm sick of everyone. Everyday I find myself leaning more and more to the notion that NOBODY is worth saving.

>>137294577
Yea, I said in my post that a tweaked version of NS could work in America, but it would have to be an American version, with American symbols

>>137290691
Nazi larpers are a bunch of room temp IQ's led by sekret liberals & alphabet agencies to make the right look bad.

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>>137295084
swastika isn't a "nazi" or a german symbol.
the only reason americans dislike the swastika is because Jews have lied and said its a hate symbol. so we can either cuck to the jews or re-educate everyone and reclaim our icons.

>>137295300
The swastika is a symbol associated with the German form of Facism and NS, we don't need to copy it, why not find our own symbol

Because the only actual American fascist movement got killed by FDR before it gained a lot of traction. Just read about William Dudley Pelley and the Silver Legion.

>>137295795
FDR was a wheel chair bound crypto Commie faggot
Fuck him

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>>137295659
The Swastika was first mentioned in the Aryan Vedas. Swastika has been the symbol for Aryans/white people from the dawn of civilization. But yeah we should just give it up because some Jews might call us racist..

lol no. no..

>>137290691
>American Facism
>Federalism

>>137293986
>n 4 years hitler fixed germany's economy and ended rampant degeneracy.
When you start at rock bottom, you have no where to go but up.

>>137296338
>But yeah we should just give it up because some Jews might call us racist..
So you knowingly allow the jew to tarnish your movement?
Do you not see how the media is currently spinning facts into blaming 3 deaths on natsoc, and the public is eating it up because it is natsoc?

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>>137296434
that explains why America is doing so great under democracy and capitalism..

>>137296614
no i was being sarcastic. anon is saying we should abandon the swastika and natsoc..prbly because he's a kike ;)

>>137296711
>anon is saying we should abandon the swastika and natsoc..prbly because he's a kike ;)
kikes love it when you brand all of your movements with a swastika. Literally makes their subversion job 100 times easier.

>..
>:)
And go back to plebbit you underaged fuck

>>137296338
>t. Jew

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>>137296966
your only argument against using the swastika is Jews might call us nazis. but they're already calling us nazis. so does it really matter?

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>>137297213
If you allow jews to use the accusation of being a 'Nazi' against you, then you'll never get anywhere. We must strip the jews of that control word.

If you try to avoid the label, you're allowing the jews to keep using it against you. You're allowing them to always put you on the defensive with the accusation.

>>137297251
>being this retarded
Look at what they are doing with what happened this weekend. Do you really consider this a victory?
Everyone truly believes it was a nazi who was driving the challenger. Everyone truly believes it was intentional manslaughter.

Your obsession with old symbols is what allows this to happen. By refusing to adapt to the strategies of your opponents, you are allowing your movement's integrity to be slandered and broken.

Germany lost because they were isolated, and heavily out numbered. They became isolated and outnumbered because they had no care of the propaganda war that was being waged against them, and they had the same exact mentality you do.

>>137297363
>We must strip the jews of that control word.
They have owned the word for nearly 80 years now. Your little LARPing adventure is not going to strip control of anything.

Do you not know what a fucking honeypot is?

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>>137297674
AltRight is Jewish cancer designed to make actual white nationalism and NATSOC look stupid and dangerous.

Richard Spencer is a Jew and the rest of the Alt-Right are Jews. Source:

spencergate.wordpress.com

>Germany lost because they were isolated
Germany lost because Jews lied about the evil Nazis just like theyre lying now. But I guess we should just go along with Jewish lies, right? LOL no thanks Rabbi.

>>137297809
they maintain control by maintaining various lies. destroy the lies, destroy control. and whats easier to destroy than lies? all you need is the truth. too easy ;)

>>137290691
Adolf Hitler was the greatest national leader who ever lived. We fly the Nazi flag because it kills the Jew.

>>137293055
>There have been threads before about what /pol/'s ideal society would be and almost none of the comments rejected democracy.
Link to one of those threads, thanks.

Look, it doesn't matter if you're on the Left or the Right, conservative or liberal, communist or socialist. All that matters is when the one true happening happens.

>>137290691

I understand what you're saying. That the Nazi
symbolism is too tarnished in the world and American psyche, and as such, might do a
movement more damage than good.
You believe a new symbol is needed, for a newer movement, if it is succeed instead of using old symbols of finished movements, or dead movements.
I partially agree. I do. However it's also somewhat outside the " Nazi's " control.
The left will label them Nazi's no matter what
symbol they choose. So the term Nazi would
somewhat apply regardless of symbol or movement name or motto.
However you could be right. It might still be better to choose a different symbol and get more organized. Or you could be wrong, and it might be best to USE the Nazi symbol and devilify it as much as possible, or rather, bring it back. That could be done possibly too.
The left has made the term " racism " worthless. Everyone is racist now so it no longer matters.
Perhaps the same can be done with " Nazi ".

>>137298027
>too easy ;)
your underage shows how inexperienced you are with this.
You seem to have no grasp of the passage of time, nor how attrition works.
The Nazi label has 80 years of negative attrition for you to work through. You are a fool if you think you can take back that word from the juden.

Better to stick with American Patriotism (which predates Nazi tradition), as it is a lot harder for them to taint. You see, American Patriotism is rooted in our constitution, thus it is much harder for them to dilute the meaning behind any movement that claims to be patriotic.

Nazism doesn't have such bindings, and what bindings it does have is already diluted by the juden.
You are fighting a losing battle by choosing that banner to fly, when there are many more meaningful and modern banners you could be using.

>>137296172
Indeed but the early death of the Silver Legion was a huge blow to American fascism that we still haven't fully recovered from. I think those of a fascist mindset in the US needs to look less at Hitler and more at the Silver Legion on the necessity of Americanizing the movement. People were more receptive to silver shirts and Battle Hymn of the Republic than they are now to swastikas.

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>>137298515
>people dont like national socialism because of jewish lies
>all we have to do is spread the truth to destroy jewish lies and reclaim the honor of national socialism
>but that would be too hard because im jewish

lol hi rabbi! did you notice the altright dying so youre here to spread a new ideology so anons wont adopt natsoc? wont work while im here! :)

>>137297363
Not sure if divide and conquer shill or 12 years old.

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>>137298515
>Better to stick with American Patriotism (which predates Nazi tradition), as it is a lot harder for them to taint. You see, American Patriotism is rooted in our constitution, thus it is much harder for them to dilute the meaning behind any movement that claims to be patriotic.

>>137298849
nice argument

>>137299079
>hurr durr everyone hates Nazi imagery so let's adopt Nazi imagery to stick it to them.

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>>137299203
>hurr durr everyone hates nazi imagery because Jews have lied and purposely distorted public opinion and we should just admit defeat and not reclaim our heritage by simply educating the masses as to the truth of the matter

lol no rabbi. no..

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For all the natsoc people in this thread here are some core facts German National Socialism got wrong.

Anti free speech: Good ideas will never come to fruition if free speech is ban. I do support suppressing media's speech targeted towards the non-political underclass.

No personal liberty: Personal liberty helps maximize everyone's own happiness. I am not saying we should let people do whatever they want in public, but if they try to keep their degenerate behavior a secret and avoid corrupting others they should be allowed to do what they want.

Bad leadership system: The best system would be a aristocratic democracy where the best and brightest of society would choose the rulers. Nazism would have failed as soon as Hitler died as they had no way to determine who would be a good ruler to take his place. Just look at what happened in Rome after Augustus died.

>>137299420
Why, as an American, should I give a shit about the swastika? Especially since 99% of the population hates it. I don't give a fuck if it was one of 50 symbols some white mud hut dweller carved on a rock 3000 years ago.

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>>137300621
>free speech laws
"The Government of the National Revolution basically regards it as its duty, in accordance with the spirit of the Volk’s vote of confidence, to prevent the elements which consciously and intentionally negate the life of the nation from exercising influence on its formation. The theoretical concept of equality before the law shall not be used, under the guise of equality, to tolerate those who despise the laws as a matter of principle or, moreover, to surrender the freedom of the nation to them on the basis of democratic doctrines. The Government will, however, grant equality before the law to all those who, in forming the front of our Volk against this danger, support national interests and do not deny the Government their assistance."
>HITLER SPEECH ON ENABLING ACT 1933

>No personal liberty
>Bad leadership system
what are you even talking about at this point?

>>137301104
Swastika is the symbol of the Aryan/white race. Aryans/white people discovered and built a America. If you're white, care about it because its your heritage. If youre not white, respect it as the symbol of the people who allow you to live here.

>>137293986

>>NatSoc is the answer because its the only system Jews can't corrupt

Absolutist racial blood purity is a Jewish idea. In the words of G. K. Chesterton: "There is a Jewish problem; there is certainly a Jewish culture; and I am inclined to think that it really was too prevalent in Germany. For here we have the Hitlerites themselves, in plain words, saying they are a Chosen Race. Where could they have got that notion? Where could they even have got that phrase, except from the Jews."

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Nazi shit and Confederate Flags will not help us. Steal the symbols of white identity groups that already exist and have some legitimacy. Create chaos, drive the older generations to the cause. Libtards will demand the organizations disavow, but it won't matter old whites will feel attacked and chimp. Bring knights of Columbus shit. Bring sons of Norway shit. Pick a group doesn't matter mere that shit. Let the left push the few remaining proud Europeans to your cause.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_general_fraternities

Don't be faggots, this will work.

>>137298880
>no argument
>responds with a meme
sure doing your movement great there, buddy

You faggots need to wake the fuck up. Nazi shit and Confederate Flags will not help you. Steal the symbols of white identity groups that already exist and have some legitimacy. Create chaos, drive the older generations to your cause. Libtards will demand the organizations disavow, but it won't matter old whites will feel attacked and chimp. Bring knights of Columbus shit. Bring sons of Norway shit. Pick a group doesn't matter mere that shit. Let the left push the few remaining proud Europeans to your cause.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_general_fraternities

Don't be faggots, this will work.

>>137290691
Hitler's ideology was literally perfect, there is no need for another one.

>>137290691
> it would be a democratic society with democratic values but with all white people.
No. Have your freedoms of speech and arms, but pisslam will be banned, sexual immorality recriminalized, and suffrage limited to male heads of households who pay taxes, if there is voting at all.

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>>137301458
>Absolutist racial blood purity is a Jewish idea
incorrect. Ancient Aryans knew the value of genes and "blood" long before the Jews even existed. Aryans spread their genes as they did civilization throughout the ancient world.
>pic related
In fact, its the Zoroastrian religion which speaks of the Aryans as "chosen people" of God. And this is where the Jews stole their idea of racial purity.

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>>137301567
>complains about responding with a meme
>"nod an argument :-dDDD"

>>137301965
>more memes

>>137302134
What's wrong with memes, anon?

>>137301458
>caring for your own is Jewish
Holy fucking shit.
>>137294466
I want broad protectionism, a white ethnostate, and controls on degeneracy. Pure meritocracy sounds good on paper, but it doesn't factor in power-hungry sociopaths who will undermine those kinder and more capable.

I want a NatSoc state (really just paleoconservative with an emphasis on race), with its racial policies applied to whites as a whole rather than Germans.
Freedom can and should be maximized, but not to the point where subversion can seep through.

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>>137301766
>>137291048
>>137290852
>>137301491

Just needs a re-branding. That march of beta faggots holding nazi flags was a fucking embarrassment. We need out own symbols and traditions instead of parroting a dead movement that is never coming back.

Nat Soc would be much more appealing with a different label.

>>137301318
I am white. I don't give a fuck about the swastika. It doesn't represent me or white people or Europeans. It wasn't used in Europe for 2000 years before the Nazis. Hitler saw Asians using the swastika and thought it was cool cause mud hut dwellers 3000 years ago also used it.

Schlomo go home. Next you'll be telling us that doing the "roman salute" in public is also part of our heritage. GTFO.

>>137302612
Americanism.

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>>137302612
National Socialism isn't Neo-Nazism.
Instead of admitting defeat, why don't we just stop letting Jews run our movements?

>>137302730
>It doesn't represent me or white people or Europeans
can you even tell us all what the Swastika actually represents? because I bet you dont know the first thing about it because a Jew and Jews aren't white. so go ahead? I'll wait.

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>>137302730
>It wasn't used in Europe for 2000 years before the Nazis.
>Next you'll be telling us that doing the "roman salute" in public is also part of our heritage.

>>137290691


As a shitskin, I think we all lose. Most of the world would love to see us divide and conquer ourselves. You made the mistake of actually buying in, to one side or the other. I think both sides represent ouroboros, the snake that devours itself. The left being the head, because in it, at least a brain exists. The right, the tail, because this is where the shit comes out. I blame the left as much as the right for eating shit in the first place. If it were up to me, any radicals would have their tongues and genitalia removed.

>>137302343
Because propaganda will only work if they work in tandem with cultural perception.

>>137303402
You got it right about the divide and conquer, Pablo.

As for Oroboros I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the symbol. It's not eating it's tail, it's giving birth to itself.

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>>137303024
As much as you faggots don't want to admit it, traditional white nationalist symbolism, Nazi symbolism, the Nazi and the KKK labels, etc are all tainted labels and symbols that will only harm us. Nazism was never defined by its labels and anyway, it was defined by it's policies.

We need a movement with basically the same general goals (be it white nationalist or whatever), but it has to disavow Nazi imagery and tell David Duke to fuck off. That was Spencer's big mistake. The original Nazis were a clean, professional-looking civilian force.

We can never let these stupid faggots in pic related ever near us again.

>>137290691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTQFDZkdVs&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTQFDZkdVs&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WTQFDZkdVs&feature=youtu.be

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>>137301873

Every civilization in the history of the world has valued its own people and culture, and wished to preserve them, but few to my knowledge were completely exclusionary of foreigners. Athens, for example, jealously guarded its citizenship and its laws, but was at the same time entirely welcoming to the philosopher Zeno, the founder of Stoicism, in spite of the fact that he was a Phoenician. Indeed, he even declined Athenian citizenship when it was offered to him, "fearing that he should appear unfaithful to his native land" by accepting it.

If we go forward to the eighteenth century, in England, the arch-conservative Samuel Johnson saw nothing wrong in seeing his black servant, Francis Barber, to whom he bequeathed money after his death, married to a white woman. Their descendants continue to live in Lichfield today.

Now obviously neither the Athenians nor Samuel Johnson would have seen their country reduced to having a minority-indigenous population by means of mass immigration. But neither (as we see) were they blood-purity absolutists. Even Enoch Powell denied emphatically to his dying day that he was a racialist, and Sir Oswald Mosley said that he would have been glad to take any black or Jewish man into his cabinet, so long as he was "first-rate."

Because the silver legion were pussies.

>>137302730
look how quiet this kike became LOL

>>137304458
>traditional white nationalist symbolism, Nazi symbolism, the Nazi and the KKK labels, etc are all tainted labels
Why are they tainted? How did they become tainted? What is tainting them?

>>137290691
Because Americans degenerate everything
We really have the wrong image of America. Hollywood films are mostly to blame, since they present the life style of the upper ten thousand, which most Americans themselves experience though films. American observers waver between unlimited admiration and deep contempt. Superficial observers admire it, real experts always hold it in contempt. There is certainly much that is at first glance impressive in this new part of the world still in its adolescence. The height of the skyscrapers is, however, no measure of the level of culture. This land that wants to protect intellectual freedom in the ancient cultures of Europe and Asia itself has no permanent theater or opera. A private concern like New York’s Metropolitan Opera survives in peacetime only on German and Italian operas, and had to close its doors for financial reasons once the war began.

The U.S.A. has no poets, no painters, no architects or composers of world stature. Whatever culture it has is borrowed from Europe. The land lacks its own language, culture, and civilization. It has borrowed everything, generally debasing it by Americanizing it, never improving it. Americanization is a kind of kitschification that gives every cultural value an American stamp, turning a mature language into slang, the waltz into jazz, a work of literature into a crime story.

>>137290691
>>137304893
If the Americans lacked money, they would probably be the most despised people in the world. Superiority is nowhere as annoying as with them. They naturally build the best airplanes and tanks, and by the hundreds of thousands. They have the best generals and soldiers, and their defeats are only proof of their intelligence in destroying the bravery of their enemies. Their president is a demigod, though he led the nation into an economic catastrophe from which he saw no way out other than war. They promised Europe a savior in 1917 and sent them a Wilson in 1919. They will repeat this great betrayal today if we do not prevent it. In short, it is a nation still a long way from being a nation, and a people that lacks the most important prerequisite for being a people, a clear style of life.

According to official American statistics, there are 190 Protestant and 430 Catholic churches in New York, but 1000 synagogues. What else should one expect of a city with a Jewish mayor who recently attempted at a reception for foreign journalists to explain European problems in the jargon of the gangsters! The Jews have given their stamp not only to this city, but the whole of public life. The president is surrounded by Jewish advisors and his wife clears the way for her Jewish friends to enter the administration and war office. One feels the need to wash one’s hands after reading American newspapers. They are filled with intellectual filth, daily printing such stories as an announcement that a number of prisoners have formed “Fighters, Inc.,” and offered their services to the president. They were ready to fight in the ranks of the Allies against aggression. Mr. Roosevelt happily accepted their offer.

>>137290691
Fascism is shallow. National Socialism is so much more than what Fascism entails.

Because nobody intelligent is a fascist.

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>>137304535
>Sir Oswald Mosley said that he would have been glad to take any black or Jewish man into his cabinet, so long as he was "first-rate."
Hitler had Jewish, black, asian and muslims in the SS. The people think this is a racist movement because of Jewish lie. The only bad PR surrounding NatSoc and its symbol are based in lie. And lies are easy enough to destroy. No one can argue against actual NatSoc ideology because they're perfect, so they attack irrelevant PR.

>>137304458
This.

Spencer is a plant. I thought that was obvious.

Also stop replying to the "swastikas are a crucial part of white identity" shill faggot

>>137304699
Associated with beta faggots, autists and rural retards now, been that way for decades. You think Hitler would be in power if he started his movement by larping as the member of a 75-year old failed movement that even the common man hated? The symbolism he used was new and different at the time, people looked at it with fresh eyes and came to their own conclusions based only on him, not his predecessors. Why shouldn't we do the same?

>>137305116
>Hitler had JEWISH, black, asian and muslims in the SS.

They changed the cover boy of the Wehrmacht when they find out the former one had Jewish roots. Stop talking out of your ass fampai. You seem to know very little about German history :D

>>137290691
>Why is it always Nazi larping instead of an American version of Fascism
Because American Fascism should be closer to integralism, and yet all of you just happen to hate niggers and spics, so, no movement for you

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>>137305544
>Associated with beta faggots, autists and rural retards now
why? isn't it true the entire neo-nazi and white nationalist movements are both CIA controlled? and isnt it true the CIA is Jew controlled? so isnt it true all the bad associations the movement has is the direct result of Jews deceiving the larger population? if so... why not just re-educate the people? Mis-using NatSoc doesnt make NatSoc wrong.

>>137305710
sure

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html

>>137290852
>Lost sole war they've fought
>Genetics doesn't work the way they've thought
>Physics doesn't work the way they've thought

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>>137304458
Nah they should stay, you don't see the communists throwing away their hammer and sickle, symbols are powerfull, people thinking the word nigger is bad makes it a bad word, and people seeing the swastika tremble over it's power and ancient History

>>137306072
You can't re-educate the people if you aren't in power, which you can't do if the people don't put you there. Hitler was democratically elected by popular support lol.

>>137290691
Because most larpers are unoriginal. They either go for historical larps or movies/books/comics

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>>137306168
>>Lost sole war they've fought
It took the entire world to overthrow a single country the size of an American state.

>Genetics doesn't work the way they've thought
>Physics doesn't work the way they've thought
post source?

>>137306357
>You can't re-educate the people if you aren't in power
"I dont know how propaganda and social media works"
> Hitler was democratically elected by popular support lol.
the only reason the altright blew up is because dicky adopted natsoc imagery, even "hailing" our people and president. the white majority are more friendly to natsoc than you lead on ;)

>>137290691
because the jew fears the nazi

Because American nationalism would mean the africans, many of whom can trace their heritage back farther than alot of non anglos, would be welcome with open arms as long as they are a nationalist. NatSoc had nuremburg laws which prevented the native populace from mixing with non aryans. American nationalism is basically what you folks ridicule as "civic nationalism"

>>137306251
>this ass clown is your leader

you know he was killed by other white guys right? They killed him like they were a pack of niggers.

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>>137306357
>Hitler was democratically elected by popular support lol.
Only cause the country was down the drain, and communists were rising up in civil war. There will never ever be a second American civil war

They can wait for whites to bred themselves out, Why take your guns when they can turn you into South Africa and genocide you?

pic related take a real good look

>>137306904
And Mussolini was killed by Italian Communists, doesn't make him a bad leader he was just woefully unprepared for ww2 and suffered along with his millitary and their """victories"""

>>137290691
I like you OP, I've always felt the same way. The US has all the history and culture needed to have a unique and successful fascist state.

Instead of the Hitler Youth we could militarize the Boy Scouts.

Instead of the Roman salute we could use our military hand salute.

Our American-Indian war era calvary uniforms provides the perfect analogue to the Nazis Hugo Boss aesthetics.

Last but not least, the countries oldest flag (pic related) looks fascist as fuck.

>>137306587
Not anymore. Now you fear us.

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>>137307464
Forgot the fucking picture and link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Flag

The text is "conquer or die" in Latin.

>>137307534
>now

what did he mean by this?

>>137307654
Excellent flag, I want one

>American version of fascism
>American
>Fascism
I'll take words that cannot follow each other in a phrase or sentence for 900 alex

>>137305757
Vlad here understands. Ever notice how the same people mocking "le civic nationalism" are the same people telling you to adopt the swastika and roman salute in public? Really makes you think...

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>>137307464
>>137307654
>>137305340

Need to push this concept more. Nazi larping is a dead-end for any realistic future fascist state, especially in America. Stormfags are poison. They only want to live in the fantasy of a past movement, they don't care about creating a new future.

>>137291048
Wrong
We have always been a Pro-Republic board
Fuck off kike

>>137306582
>post source?
Can't provide you with sources, but i just have read something about that due to certain factors they've needed several hundreds of generations of ethnic cleansing to make übermen. And that comes with very high chance of failure, because genetic diversity in many cases actually is a strength.

And physics is a reference to whatever-his-name-was-guy who pushed nazi nuclear project to use heavy water instead of graphite. And to the fact they didn't liked (((General Relativity))).

>>137302730
This

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>>137308327
civ. nat results in white genocide.

>>137308063
All three of those were unjustly attacked and lost against a much better supplied and larger opponent

>>137308461
I think he means direct/pure democracy AKA the mob rule that the founding fathers worked to avoid

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Because Nazis have what these alt-right punks lack.

PURE GENES
CLASS
INTELLECT
and TECHNO

>>137308461
No it was a full on gas the kikes board then moot nuked it. Then a bunch of Libertarians joined the board and that was it for a while, now we have r/thedonalds here

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>>137290691
IT'S A TRAP

FASCISM IS A TRAP, THE DICTATOR WILL BE PROVIDED. THIS IS PART OF AN ENDLESS CYCLE IN HISTORY

don't fall for it again
this is a trap

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>>137308465
>Can't provide you with sources
then i accept your defeat

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All these gangly methheads or overweight cellar dwellers. These are are the types who yell out 14:88 but are still inbred mutts whose genetic predispositions are toward obesity, low IQ, and general poor health. Fucking disgusting. Literally they're all blue collar peasants who believe going out into the streets like rabble to play make believe superiority. God it feels great to have money and not associate myself with these Untermensch!

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>>137309881
this isnt an argument against natsoc ideology.
just screeching.

>>137308601
Civ nat w/ strong border control & fair immigration law does not.

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>>137310123
Did I hit too close to home for ya?

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>>137310229
>strong border control & fair immigration law does not.
whats "fair immigration law?" only whites like it was designed for?

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Bumping with uniquely American iconography and information to support a history of US government involvement in shaping the culture of our country.

This information is crucial to debunking libertarian and ancap assertions that the US was ever governed by a policy of "live and let live" and to put an end to their unwarranted appeals to tradition.

Law restricting naturalization of immigrants, passed by our 5th Congress and signed by our second president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Law requiring every able body free white male between the ages of 18 and 45 to serve in their state militia when called upon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792#Second_Militia_Act_of_1792

>>137290691
>Why is it always Nazi larping
Because that's all it is at this point: LARPing. None of those faggots probably have any greater ideals other than a general hatred of niggers and wanting to chimp out like the spergs they are.

Once this eventually evolves into an actual movement with coherent goals other than antifa tier screeching it will probably develop it's own imagery out of necessity.

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>>137311890
Good stuff, really like the soldier aesthetic, but as you can see ITT there are too many Nazi-imagery-is-more-important-than-real-policy larp fags to deal with

>>137313003
I really do not understand why these people are so dead set on the swastika. Disregarding any baggage it has, good or bad, I don't see why you wouldn't want your own unique imagery for the simple reason that this is America, not Germany. Using symbols of a dead movement that wasn't even from your own country just strikes me as the epitome of "play pretend" .

>>137290691
Whites want a welfare state just for them. Too many not-like-thems in the U.S. for Fascism to be accepted and for it to work.

>>137313629
>Whites want a welfare state just for them.
Nah, I'm fine with an ethnostate without welfare.

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Very few wehraboos will admit it, but Hitler admired the United States greatly, looking to our eugenics programs for inspiration of his own (which predate German's by quite a few years) and even going so far as to name a train after our country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#

http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14851.html

>>137308662
But that isn't what he said
/new/ and /pol/ have always been Pro-Republic nationalism to the hilt
>>137308812
No, lolbertarians have been here ever since Doom Paul.
Also gas the kikes race war now does not exclude a nationalist republic

>>137312807
Like you said, aside from "fuck jews" and "fuck minorities" most of these people have no coherent viewpoint other than parroting mein kampf. It's just something to do because they are bored and want to shitpost online.

The one key tenet of Nazi imagery was that it was powerful and simple, something that we should also keep in mind, without resembling a ripoff or inspiration. No nordic runes, no recycled Indian religious symbolism, etc.

We need to start with new imagery FIRST if we want some sort of AmFash movement to get off the ground. Starting with tired and outdated Nazi imagery will make for a poor foundation. Look at what happened to Spencer.

>>137314346
Only retards, Anglo scum, and Jews ever think Hitler hated the US
He loved us, he just hated our government to the hilt(and who can blame him)
We had the most successful and wide spread eugenics program in modern history and many other reasons for him to love us(we also loved him, iirc prior to 1943 he had a 68% approval rating which was higher than fucking FDR's)

>>137314866
>than parroting mein kampf.
admit youve never even read mein kampf cover to cover.

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>>137314919
this

>>137290852
1) It's socialism
2) It's socialism
3) It's socialism

>>137300621
The reason why the US is in this mess is because it's too permissive of subversion.

>>137315501
see pic related here >>137292846

now whats your critique?

>>137315649
That Hitler has no idea what the fuck he's talking about and is an idiot. If the state gets involved, property is infringed upon and efficiency is destroyed. There is no historical exception to this.

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>>137315909
>If the state gets involved, property is infringed upon and efficiency is destroyed.
that didn't happen the entire time Hitler reigned. so what are you basing your claim on?

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>>137314866
It needs to be a healthy mix of old and new.

Hearkening back to the traditions and policies of our forefathers while also incorporating successful aspects of others within that same frame.

More obscure aspects of Nazi ideology such as the "Blood and Soil" concept ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Soil ) for example, would be a perfect fit to reframe in the context of American Nativism while others (like Hitler's apologetic attitude towards Islam and it's adherents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam ) would obviously not.

>>137313511
Exactly why I mentioned the Silver Legion. It based itself on American values fused with fascism and used uniquely American symbols. This is the angle American fascism should aim for instead of larping as a NSDAP member. But I guess they can't get their Nazi fetish in if they're made to dress uniquely to American audiences.

>>137316303
>(like Hitler's apologetic attitude towards Islam and it's adherents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world#Hitler.27s_views_on_Islam ) would obviously not.

so you think we should war with muslims?

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>>137316303
>>137316677
Silvershirts had some pretty classy elements to em. Definitely something to look at. Solid name too, though I wouldn't use it again. Gotta drop the bugle and the stupid L though.

Agreed.
>>137316159
Numerous private buildings in Berlin were demolished by the government for urban renewal projects. I don't think this is a bad thing but if you deny it happened you are literally retarded.

>>137317445
>Numerous private buildings in Berlin were demolished by the government for urban renewal projects
which buildings?

>>137315909
You should educate yourself on the policies of Nazi Germany and why fascism is considered to be a right-wing ideology rather than a left-wing one friend.

Efficiency will always be rewarded in a right-wing form of governance because inequality is not seen as a solution to be fixed, although under a system like fascism only those services and products which stand to benefit society are allowed to be used as leverage to gain political power.

Instead of bankers or porn producers having disproportionate levels of political sway you'd have esteemed weapons engineers and innovative agricultural specialists having a larger say in government.

Fascism allows for as much political and social freedom as is realistically sustainable for a society's prosperity.
>>137316718
I believe that if the United States and it's citizenry stands to ultimately benefit from a conflict then said conflict is justified.

Small scale conflicts involving nations that ultimately pose no existential threat to the United States are a necessary evil in my mind, they keep a generation of warriors sharp and give us a geopolitically palatable reason to maintain the strength of our military.

>>137318168
>I believe that if the United States and it's citizenry stands to ultimately benefit from a conflict then said conflict is justified.
yeah i agree..but theres a better way. what if we turned Muslims against Jews? what if we simply de-converted the majority of the muslims living in america and europe?

>>137296614
You're dumb.

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>>137318475
Soldiers understand the concept of brotherhood and fraternity more than any other class of citizen in the United States and nothing cements that feeling more effectively or as quickly as conflict.

The moment that we stop valuing the merit of having a strong military and respecting those who make it strong is the moment we lose any hope of establishing an American fascist state.

>>137316159
Efficiency was destroyed. The state prioritized all production towards total war, which a free market would never had done. What happened as a result? Their only path forward was conquest, which was a losing proposition. If Germany had adopted a free market for maximum efficiency, and that market produced what German people actually valued, they would have been in healthy trade relationships with the rest of Europe and their army would have been nonexistent.

>>137318168
Who the fuck determined what does and does not benefit society? Sorry to burst your bubble, but people can only determine for themselves what benefits them. Profit and loss are the only signals by which to determine what it is people value. No Nazi bureaucrat can make that judgment.

And I guarantee bankers and porn producers would have far less power than they do in the current cronyist order that's engineering a stupid population. Pure free markets are an evolutionary selective pressure, where only productive and intelligent people survive and reproduce. We'd have porn as a taboo under control via a well-adjusted, productive population, and banks would already be obsolete due to competition among precious metals and cryptocurrencies.

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>>137319240
of course. but isnt it preferable to win Arabs as allies while de-converting them from Islam?

>>137319272
>The state prioritized all production towards total war,
so the world forces Hitler into war and as a result is forced to confiscate some privately owned buildings to defend his country. seems fair enough. so why paint it like Hitler was against privately owned property? is it because youre a deceptive kike and you confuse the willingness to lie with "intelligence?"

>>137319661
>Hurr durr Hitler had no choice
>Hurr durr you're a kike

You people are fucking hopeless.

>>137319831
you said yourself it was due to the war effort. are you mad?

>>137319831
He is over half the posts in this thread what do you expect lol

>>137319927
You really, truly are actually retarded. I guess I shouldn't be shocked. If you need help, I'm implying Hitler did have a choice.

>>137320120
nice argument

>>137320173
You literally said:

>The state prioritized all production towards total war

to which I replied:

>so the world forces Hitler into war and as a result is forced to confiscate some privately owned buildings to defend his country.

is there anything wrong with this or are you just kvetching?

>>137319272
>Who the fuck determined what does and does not benefit society?

When it can't be scientifically determined? Tradition.

Common law is something that nearly all of our traditions, laws, and ethics are derived from and it's something that used to be respected far more than it is now. For all your talk, I highly doubt that you (or many of those whom you share your country with) could stand to watch another being, even a lesser one, starve in the street because they're intellectually and/or physically incapable of adapting to the ever changing needs of your fantasy market.

The problem with a completely free market is that there is both not incentive to take generations that proceed your own into consideration nor is there any legal or effective means to deal with opposing systems of governance that may want to put an intend to your silly ancap shit.

A libertarian society is inherently weaker than a fascist one, and any ideology which doesn't provide the means with which to defend and ensure it's own survival (other than relying on the consent of all parties involved) is one that's doomed to fail.

>>137320334
Nobody forced Hitler into war you fucking mongoloid. When he fought to the top of the government, he could've just pulled a Pinochet and cut down the old aristocracy, cut down the economic powers of the German government, and issued a greenback-like currency. They've would've become the economic center of a new, revitalized Europe.

But no. He had to mobilize an army to reclaim some stupid notion of lost German pride. He was an idiot art school failure, I can't be too surprised.

>>137320666
You act like people participating in a free market aren't human. People willingly help each other when their hand isn't forced by government and they're actually prosperous enough for it to be a simple matter. You're making an old, limp, disproven argument against free markets. Study up, bud.

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>>137321272
>Nobody forced Hitler into war you fucking mongoloid.
get a load of this uneducated bored housewife trying to troll on le 4channels

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>>137321272
I'm not saying that allowing people to starve is a negative consequence to the free market dipshit.

I'm saying that libertarianism doesn't effectively cull the weak because there's no strong government to force anybody to do so and market forces are inherently short-sighted and fail to account for the intergenerational effect on society that allowing those unfit for modern society to continue to proliferate would have.

Giving away money to those who are unfit to breed in order to peacefully and voluntarily sterilize themselves isn't something that would be profitable, but it would be something that would positively affect the market and (far more importantly) the society upon which that market is built upon.

>tl;dr the ideal consumer and the ideal citizen are two very, very different things and libertarianism promotes those in a position of power to raise a generation of consumers while fascism incorporates the efficiency and incentives that normally come with capitalist systems while also checking corporate greed and short-sightedness

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>>137321272
jew sure got quiet ;)

>>137294328
That is what George Lincoln Rockwell was doing before he was assassinated.

>>137317445
I think adopting the silver color and some of the uniform design scheme is a good idea but use a different name and logo. They also used Battle Hymn of the Republic as their anthem which was a great way to be more American.

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You can't reason with these fucktards. Neo-nazis and SJW's are two sides of the same coin.

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>>137324986
so lets debate?

>>137324986
That's not what you call it. That's history and strawmen.

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>>137324986
Pick some Cherry's for us Rabbi.

>>137308812
I'm an oldfag and you're full on talking bullshit. The 1488 crowd have always been a very large subset of /pol/, but libertarians and civic nationalists have always had a major foothold here.
Besides, anyone who's a student of roman history would be hard pressed to not be wholly sympathetic to civic nationalist ideals, as long as there's a strong fascist undercurrent.

>>137325928
/pol/ is a natsoc board

>>137316677
so bioshock infinite

>>137306582

You're going to need more than one source to satisfy the question. They weren't the only ones going down the eugenics hole, a lot of it was influenced by a contemporary belief in biological determinism. There's plenty of good books on the subject. It's not in my discipline and I can't recall any off hand, but I'm sure if you start with Franz Boas and work your way through the various objections, responses, and criticisms of his work you'll see why the Nazi views of genetics were dismissed.

Let's back up a step though. The Nazi's eugenics policy was based on the understanding of the day in a view I mentioned above called biological determinism, which is essentially the idea that human behavior is predominantly a function of genetic makeup. This view was the dominating position of western science leading up to WW2. However, as we approach WW2, before the nazis even had power, the biological determinism model of human behavior was already beginning to be questioned.

In the post war period we hit a bit of a scientific grey area in regards to eugenics. There was already growing doubt on the efficacy of these programs and a concern that the underlying science was mostly mistaken, but after seeing the results of implementation, the consensus became that eugenics based on biological determinism was a bad idea and should be scrapped.

Tl;dr Nazi genetic science was based on an idea called biological determinism that the majority of the scientific community concluded was a mostly wrong concept that led to failed policies. Some research was left unexplored, because it was deemed unethical to continue, largely because it was probably mistaken and had too high a human cost to proving that it wasn't