/pol/ communism general

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Sup commies. Post cute mouths.

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>>137226318

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>>137226318
Communism in real life

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>>137226318
Death toll of communism by country

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>>137226318

How do we fight against these faggits?

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>>137226318
Communism and Nazism, murderous ideologies of the 20th century

>>137226318
Hey, I know you make this general all the time and in light of the collapse of the alt-right I've become very interested in communism again.

However I'm concerned about the actual functional prospects of it's operation. All communist governments that have ever been established have been under constant attack and attempts of sabotage by capitalist competitors. This resulted in massive militarization of communist society to defend itself(huge drain on the economy) and constant paranoia of western spys attempting to undermine the state(hence constant jailings, excecutions, labor camps ect).

So I ask: would communism have worked if this wasn't happening?

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>>137226318
Mao, Stalin, Hitler: death by the millions

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>>137226849

>>137226849
They will destroy themselves. The public will never accept blatant fascism.

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>>137226318
Communist are delusional.

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>>137226318
HAHAHAHAHAH

>>137226926

Soviet Union would have flourished, for example, they didn't get to invent the internet in the late 50s because the military didn't want to share network with the civilians, if they didn't have to be so paranoid they could have computerized their whole planned economy and make the economy almost perfectly efficient. Communism itself would have taken longer since you need the whole world to become socialist first.

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>>137226318
Communists are the bloodiest dictators.

>>137226849
Drumpf Owned.

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>>137226318
Communism failed 3rd world countries.

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>>137227238
rekt

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>>137226318
Communism caused famine, death and cannibalism.

>>137226318
Communism is fake and gay.

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>>137226318
>spanish autist
no thanks

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>>137226318
Communism has lead to famine, death and cannibalism in China.

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>>137227707

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>>137226318
I was going to post some quip
BUT HOLY SHIT!
Is meme magic coming back?

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This thread

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>>137226318
>WHO'S STREETS?
>OUR STREE-

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>>137226318
Mao's communist policies cause the death of tens of millions of people through a massive famine.

>>137227238
I'm glad you're happy about your fascist movement dying in such a pitiful way.

>>137227242
In light of our new digitized society, wouldn't management of resources and labor within the command economy be SUBSTANTIALLY more efficient than it was in the Soviet Union?

>>137226318
Go back to your /cuckolding general/ you fucking faggot.

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>>137226318
Communism kills.

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activates those almonds

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>>137226318
Communism is torture.

>>137227899

It absolutely would, modern technology is fantastic.

>>137226318
Comrades, syndacalist here. I think I've been a bad boy because I accepted some extra money from the capitalists to let go of some menial issue...
Now this unit of the proletariat kinda despises me and our glorious ideal. I think I fucked up.
Can I be pardoned by the collective?

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>>137226318
Communism oppresses the people.

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>>137228160

Using money given by capitalists against capitalists is perfectly fine.

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>>137226318
Communism is genocide.

>>137228139
I figured, neat.

Plus there's another thing, egged on by the fascists posting in this thread.

I don't believe any race is superior to any other, and I am also against religion because I find it to be pointless in the modern day and age. Despite that >>137228020 There is an undeniable Jewish influence on Communism that attempts to control it for their own interests. How should such an influence be addressed? Will the greater leftist community at large ever oust the Jewish influence? It's completely antithetical to the atheist egalitarian core of the ideology.

>>137228330
that just makes you a capitalist

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>>137226318
Communism is the brutal oppression and persecution of the people.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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>>137226318
Communism: genocide in the name of "liberation".

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>>137226318
Communism is mass scale persecution

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>>137226318
Communism at work

Even taking the purported "100 million" seriously, you're dealing with wildly different causes of death in numerous countries.

For instance, the campaign to collectivize Ukrainian agriculture in the early 30s. Up until collective agriculture was established, peasants were always at the risk of famine. Collective farms were large and made use of mechanization and scientific methods.

Famine broke out due to a number of factors, sabotage being a not inconsiderable reason. But once collective farms were set up famine never again returned to the USSR (barring a brief period after WWII due to wartime devastation.)

Another major cause of death are situations of class warfare (such as the Russian Civil War.) The bourgeoisie in earlier centuries, when it was a revolutionary class, also used terror against their feudal opponents.

It is the capitalists who compel the working-class to resort to violence to defend their state. The October Revolution was an almost bloodless affair, and the Bolsheviks accepted the existence of all parties who accepted soviet power. It was in the course of civil war instigated by the imperialist powers and internal counter-revolutionaries that Red Terror became a necessity against the terror used by counter-revolution against the workers and peasants.

Capitalism has been responsible for over 100 million deaths throughout the centuries through war, famine, slavery (which was important in the early development of capitalism in Europe and the Americas), etc. A famous example is that it is entirely within the means of our planet to end world hunger, but it would entail a tremendous loss to the capitalist class to rationally allocate food on the basis of need rather than on the basis of what is most profitable.

FUCK BURNIE AND FUCK BLACK PEOPLE

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Comrades I just got accepted into university to study in public administrative sciences department. My question is how can I still hold onto my integrity as communist when in the future I will probably work for the bourgeois state apparatus?

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>>137226318
Communism's color is red: it's the color of the blood of its victims.

>>137227764
They weren't caused by capitalism. Famines happen. Communism helps in this endeavour by destroying the productivity of a nation

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>>137226318
Communism is the ideology of death

>>137228542

Being capitalist means privately owning means of production to make profit by extraction of workers surplus labour

>>137228517

By state atheism, no religion allowed in the socialist government, doesn't mean to kill or ban religion, just taking it away from public space and treat it like a mental sickness.

>>137228939
This. But you really shouldn't get into the I-have-less-millions-dead fight. The optics of it are never good and circumstantially it never means anything.

>>137228999
Checked and you are always a communist as long as you continue striving and supporting the cause of the revolution, regardless of what you do. Even a professional capitalist who manages funds to the detriment of the people can use his profits to support the revolution. Opportunity is a tool, anon.

>>137229137
>famines happen big deal
>famines that happen in communism were caused by communism

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>>137226318
Communism is oppression of freedom.

>>137229137
>Communism helps in this endeavour by destroying the productivity of a nation

that explains russia and china that went from poor feudal countries to world largest economies

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>>137226318
Communism is terror.

>>137228999

Your skills will be useful for the planned economy in the future, never stop learning comrade.

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>>137226318
The history of communism is written with the blood of its victims.

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>>137226318
Communism is a blood-thirsty ideology.

>>137226318
Communism would work if *I* were in charge.

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>>137229784

In communism the whole community is in charge

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>>137226318
Communism, the promise of torture

>>137229253
No such thing as "surplus labor". The labor is worth what both parties agree it's worth.

If you're saying the values of companies should be spread among all the workers, no one would have the incentive to open up productive companies.

Leftypol should stick to leftypol. You commies bring no arguments that haven't already been debunked and you still won't concede.
Get out.

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>>137226318
Communism is hunger, suffering, death, blood and cannibalism.

>>137230056
>Get out.

This is not rightypol

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>>137226318
Communism ruined the lives of generations.

>>137229687
communists kill other communiats more than neutral parties

they specifically target the most fervent communiats, because they represent a palpable political threat by threatenIng to try and install the things the political communists failed at amd gave up on.

e communista in power generaply try to avoid further famines by steering aeay from communism, but to do that they need to kill communists

>>137230030

People are coerced to work or starve in whatever the capitalists want, this is not an agreement.

>>137230141
No. This is /pol/. A place for arguments and general political discussion. You bring none of these things and therefore you must go.

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>>137229628
I doubt that I would be useful outside of administrative duties, particularly when I`m aiming to specialize in tax administration.
>>137229403
I guess that you`re right. I`m probably going bit more low-key on the whole party membership and activisim side of things, I don`t really want to compromise my future too hard by alienating my fellow students. Damn shame that in the last university student council elections socdems and greens took the victory form actual socialists and I don`t think that the university has had anyone form communist party(of finland the eurocommunist party) running since 70`s.

>>137229402
But you must admit that these cells of primarily judeo-christians will put their faith ahead of everything else, right?

Jews culturally and religiously are tribalists who only look out for themselves. It's part of their dogma. Muslims devote their whole lives to religion and they can barely see past it. Christians are much more liberal and a generally dying breed, but to a lesser extinct would still pose an issue.

The religion and cultural identity of these groups needs to be destroyed for them to integrate into a socialist society. They do not believe in egalitarianism or equality. Unfortunately much of the modern left doesn't care about the Jewish connection and sees muslims as allies because they support leftist governments in the west even though their culture and beliefs are antithetical to progressive values and they only wish to establish sharia, not socialism.

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>>137228664
Heh

>>137230243
Well, that's how life works. You work or you die.

If you're disabled, tough. Some people are born with horrible illnesses. Some with low iq. Life isn't fair. You can ask me nicely for charity, but forcing me to give you money is evil

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>>137226318
Communism massacred innocent people. By the millions.

>>137230254

these are your arguments >>137230312 ??

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>>137226318
Communism is full scale terror.

>>137230462
forcing me to give you money is an act of war and reaponded to with clan extermination

the job of a family is to kill their own troublemakers

if the family lets their problems terrorize others they should all expect to pay with death

>>137230056
It's not our fault the only arguments you have are bodycounts.

We say these people died primarily because of external causes, you say they're the result of communism. You refuses to accept the notion that the West was constantly trying to undermine communist states, you refuse the fact communism has been attacked by a constant propaganda war since it came into existence by capitalist states, you refuse to acknowledge the fact that the corruption of some communist states into tyrannical dictators has more to do with cultural and geopolitical conditions than the economic function of communist itself.

All you see are numbers next to an infographic that says "dead by communism" and you eat it.

Yet ironically you've reversed all of this to question the holocaust? Ironic isn't it?

>>137230312

I agree is not tolerable but we need to make a smooth transition because we are dealing with irrational people here , we need to sort of reeducate them I guess, if we use the force it would backlash. The soviet union had something called ''League of militant atheists'' but I have read that it wasn't very effective.

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>>137226318
In communism everybody is subject to hunger, famine, torture, terror, violence and death. It killed entire communities.

>>137230651
Families help each other because they want to, not because an outside force (state) forces them. If I hated my family and they forced me to give them money, they'd be in jail.

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>>137226318
Communists bringing communism.

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>>137226318
Communism is mass scale death.

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>>137226318
OP faps to this.

>>137227764
>capitalism causes volcanoes to erupt

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>>137226318
OP gets a hardon seeing this.

Cheeki breeki

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>>137226318
>Hello Comrades
>hello sage going in the options field

>>137230693
>
Even if you educate everyone to care about one another, your utopia would still collapse. If everyone had a guaranteed income, people wouldn't struggle to create new stuff. Life by definition, ever since we started from retro-viruses, only sustained itself by struggle for survival. Without survival pressure, you turn into a useless slob

>>137230798
i am not saying you are forced to give yoyr family money. i am saying if your brother is a criminal it is your job to kill him.

if the state or i ak forced to respond i will assune you wete supportive of his crominality and leftwing agitation, and i will kill you too

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>>137226318
OP jerks off to this.

>>137228939
>Soviet collective farming
>scientific methods
jesus christ

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>>137226318
OP gets a boner seeing this.

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anybody here got any new antifafus?

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>>137226318
OP's wet dream is killing.

>>137227016
Likewise blatant Communism, Bolshevik kike scum

>>137230693
It would only take a generation or two to purge most traces of religion and negative traditions. The left really needs to eventually target ALL divisive identities, not just white christian men. The whole privilege wave is indirectly creating actual fascists promoting negative values both outside the movement and within it. Instead of promoting egalitarianism, it makes the left hate white people and put minorities on a pedestal, dividing the proletariat for no reason.

We need an internal restoration to our true values of race and gender not mattering, if you don't do that you're going to push people into all forms of competing fascism with false red banners.

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>>137226318
OP is thirsty for more blood.

>>137231761
How many "arguments" do you have left?

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>>137226318
OP loves bloodsheds.

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>>137226318
OP cums to this.

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Fuck Trotsky, Marx and other Jews

Communism doesn't work when the fuck will you retards realize it

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>>137226318
OP is ready for more killings.

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>>137226318
OP can't post, because he needs to fap first to this.

>>137232052
he realizes it. he just wants to kill you and rape your daughter.

communism needs to carry a death penalty

I want communism in usa to see them suffer

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>>137226318
OP's favorite porn.

>>137231724
>"the public will never accept blatant communism"
>virtually every young person who isn't alt-right is a far leftist
>bands of blatant communists show up to events and protests nearly every day in huge numbers
>the liberal media encourages and protects them, online there is nothing but support outside of very few places like /pol/
>communists get millions of dollars in support from allies for their protests against authoritarianism, fascism, and corporatism

I'd say we're doing a bit better.

>>137232052
>ancap
>complaining about the feasibility of an ideology

Any comrades here want to seize the farts from my asshole by sucking them out just like Stalin used to do in the good old days?

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>>137226318
OP's wet dream is killing in the name of an ideology.

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>>137226318
OP embraces mass murder.

Actually I did not visit pol in a while, and its a shame because I got such big erection from you guys getting triggered to this thread.

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>>137226318
OP's dream: murdering enough people to build pyramids of bones.

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>>137226318
OP's orgasm: communists killing.

>>137232356
>communists protest against authoritarianism
You fucks are truly retarded, brain damaged

>>137232924
>fascists pretending their ideology isn't oppressing people and selling themselves to the highest bidder in the name of natoinalism

Pathetic.

>>137232768
Actually post something other than corpses and people might take you seriously.

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>>137226318
OP in ecstasy: more dead

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>>137226318

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>>137226318
OP's favorite ideology: mass killing innocent people.

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>>137226318
OP on study tour wishing he could repeat his

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>>137226318
OP's goal: genocide

>>137233101
Nah, I am completely fine with that, most of these pics are from Khmer rouge which was backed by cia, and they were hostile to Cambodian, Vietnamese and Laotian communist.

>>137227842
>Who's streets?
>not chanting "whomst'd've's streets"

>>137233101
You're retarded, communism is an authoritarian ideology. Look at you spewing your programmed buzzwords, moron

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>>137226318
OP can't keep his dick in his pants seeing this.

>>137233300
Do you even hear yourself?

Do you honestly believe the whole ideology is centered around killing people?

>>137233624
It's either Khmer Rouge pics or purges that happen due to actual CIA interference usually.

I figured they'd at least be posting more Holdomor or something. Actual deaths that are related to communist administration rather than some CIA authoritarian fag.

>>137233749
All ideologies are either authoritarian or impossible to implement. At least communism is to the benefit of the people in corporate fascism you're just serving whoever bought their way to the top of the ladder.

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>>137226318
OP is all in for more killings

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>>137226318
OP's ideology: killing on mass scale

>>137230462
It's also my way of thinking. Someone's ilness is sad, but it does not mean that I'm obligated to pay taxes which will, in some part, cover the costs of his treatment. It's forcing to be obliging.

Live always was "unbalanced" but mankind is stubborn in searching the harmony, that leads to the ideology where everyone gets what he/she needs. Is too utopian for me. Winning and loosing is what makes the world go round, that ideal status quo isn't achiveable for now and won't be for long time.

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>>137226318
Bones give OP the boner he needs.

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>>137226318
OP lusts for more blood and bones.

>>137234163
there seems to be some sort of disagreement here I thought that your opinion is that communism wants genocide as endgoal not equality. What is it then?

>>137233909
>authoritarian or impossible to implement
Communism being the latter, apparently. What a fucktard that you write off all of libertarianism when it actually hasn't been tried and found to be a failure like Communism

But even so you haven't responded to the fact you are protesting your own authoritarian ideology, and now you say on authoritarianism can work but you are also protesting it?

Brain damaged

>>137233909
>Do you honestly believe the whole ideology is centered around killing people?
Well, you do know that no matter what you tell people to do, everyone who wanted to do something else will get angry.
The more you tell them how to live their life, the more angry they get.
This is why there is always a very popular support for the freedom of doing whathever we want to do.
In communism, you have a political doctrine to follow. Money is prohibited, all form of exchanges are controlled, even the place you live in get decided by someone else. If you want a country to live by the communist ideals, you will have to face a constant and massive popular opposition.

It's either a police state and a lot of torture/executions or a return to capitalism.

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>>137226318
The endgame of communism: genocide

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>>137226318
Communism is persecution and terror

>>137234630
So democraticly organizing production and economy according to needs of people and not some irrational market forces is contradictory to freedom? You know that soviet union is called soviet union because soviets aka councils organized by workers were effectively in charge.

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>>137226318
Communism liberates through death.

Can anyone explain to me why communism kills? There's no denying it, every great nation that tried it ended up murdering innocents. But why? What part of communism caused this to happen? I honestly don't get it, communism sounds great on paper and doesn't include murder and oppression, but that's what happens for some reason.

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>>137226318
Communism is efficient in killing people.

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>>137226318
OP fucked off. Communism won.

>>137235434

I did response to that >>137228939 - still waiting for counter argument. Well you can just look at pictures of genocide done by Khmer rouge that was backed by cia and hostile to neighbouring communists and say that its communism.

>>137235109
>So democraticly organizing production and economy
This is what will happen on day one:
>Some guy: I think we should be allowed to exchange a thing we have against a thing we want
>Guy 2: Yeah, and I want money back.
>Now let's vote. 99,99% vote for a return to the old way.
You and some commissars watch the scene. You have guns. What do you do?

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>>137231815
More than 100 million. A few were enough to fuck you off from this sick thread with your sick propaganda.

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>>137226318
Communism efficiently distributes the lack of wealth, everybody dies of hunger.

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>>137226318
Communism genociding innocent people

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>>137226318
The true face of communism: mass death

>>137226318
I'm a Communist, but I oppose White American and European genocide. What does that make me?

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>>137226318
The miracles of communism in Cambodia

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>>137226318
Communism is humanism: human meat is human meat

>>137235881
You know that rapid industrialization that happened in both china and russia averted famines that were happening regularly before it was introduced? But well you wouldn’t care because it would go against your arguments.

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>>137226318
Communism causes death on mass scale.

>>137235784
So your arguments are:
-famines happen even without communism
-this one was much larger than others because the bourgeois tricked some workers to fight communism
-would everyone magically submit to my will, this would not have happened
-it was the fault of my political opponents
Again, it's not the fault of some sort of conspiracy made against you. You wanted to tell people how to live their life and some didn't wanted to do what you told them to do.

If your political philosophy have to suffer a mass starvation every time people disagree and if it push people to disagree with you, then it is seriously flawed and can be held responsible for what happened.

>>137234429
Endgoal, I would need to put some thought into this (trying to predict where leds this pure, not authoritarian communism) I wrote about the generic issue with this non-class society and socialist vision of ownership.

>>137235434
Because its an authoritarian regime, you need to purge all who can rebel to make it "work", because its against human nature to stop competing and queue up for toilet paper and food

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>>137226318
Communism, when you call mass murder scientific ideology

>>137236177
Ask others commies, they will tell you. It's workers of the world unite, not workers of the rich world.

According to modern communists, you are a bourgeois living off the hard work of the third world.

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>>137226318
Communism: you want to murder on mass scale and need an ideology for it

>>137236177

migrations are caused by capitalists, we are internationalists not capitalist globalists

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>>137226318
>kys

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>>137226318
Communism is the future, deadly good.

>>137236348
Russia went from being a big farm near large industrialized nation into being a big farm with some workshops near large industrialized nation. It was not impressive. If anything, the tsar is to blame for holding Russia back for so long and the only thing communism did was to remove the element holding it back.

The industrialization of China was a failure, you probably don't want to talk about it.

>>137236670
So, can you clearly and explicitly tell all your comies friends you want immigrants to go back?

If the answer is no, then you know what you are.

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>>137226318
An ideology of the future you won't see because you die by it.

>>137236935

I want their countries to become socialist your like the one I live in and solve their problems at home

>>137236935

and help them to build their socialist republics at home

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>>137226318
Venezuela marching towards communism

What is your economic model?

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>>137226318
Venezuela is prosperous. Socialism does miracles!

>>137236449
>famines happen even without communism
so you denie that famines happened regularly in feudal russia, and that rapid development that was done during collectivization actually averted those famines? You know that is historical fact right?

>this one was much larger than others because the bourgeois tricked some workers to fight communism
White army was supported by the west and there was a civil war thanks to that support. I don’t see what’s incorrect about it?

>would everyone magically submit to my will, this would not have happened
>it was the fault of my political opponents

as every political regime that was overthrown didn’t go without a fight, I don’t see how this is purely characteristic of communism

>>137236670
Yeah, but even in a Capitalist soceity, which we live in now, we can stop immigration by simply deporting them back to their own countries or countries that share their genetics and culture.

But we don't, and most "Communists" these days seem to support our genocide. They care more about letting migrants into our countries than Communist economics and philosophy which really is the basis of it all. There is nothing Communist about replacing the best evolved people, Europeans, with sub-humans from Africa and the Middle-east. It's genocide and it's the worst genocide the world has ever seen and it will have catastrophic consequences.

It won't lead to a better world in total. We won't get closer to Communism only further away from it. Homogenous societies is a must if you want a Communistic society.

Do you oppose European genocide, and do you oppose migration into Europe?

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>>137226318
Socialism spreading wealth equally: everybody gets their fair share of nothing.

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>>137226318
Another victory of socialism

>>137237030
I thought socialism was never tried.
You dodged the question: should they go home or is the whole world free to come here to get a better life until "world socialism is achieved"?

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>>137226318
Socialism: (supp)lying to the people

>>137237303
Feudal famines never killed millions and all of them were created by a war, bad meteorological conditions a few years in a row or the two combined.
Communism tell farmers that no matter how much food they produce, they will get a "fair" share of what is produced by the whole country. This lead to shortage of food every time it is tried.

You see my flag? We had about 20 revolutions in my country. We had two revolutionary wars that were the largest the world ever had at that time. We had no important starvation.

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>>137226318
Socialism works, just stop believing your eyes.

Does anybody cares about communists anymore.
They're all but dead over here. It's just old nostalgics making sad meetings with no attendance whatsoever.
Socialists are going the same route. And they weren't even real socialist since a long time.
Only Melanchon managed to gather lazy people's vote by promising stupid things like free student loans. The same ones that would cry murder when they find themselves unable to buy an iPhone.
Communism is cancer. There is no need to cite any book to understand it. Just fucking look at history. And if not convinced, look at China, the Norks and Venezuela.

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>>137237204
>What is your economic model?

Computerized planned economy socialism (soviet cybernetics)

>>137236348
Indeed, rapid industrialisation and collectivisation massivly decreased the risk of famine and it's a fact. With great effort they broke the wall with their heads. But I won't say these drastic decisions that were made in this peroids were exaggerated, their situation was terrifying, at least the fresh-after-revolution one in Russia, I'm not sure about China, and massive headache (aka genocide and terror) was worth it.

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>>137226318
Central planning is the true way. You will have plentiful of nothing. Everybody, take your fair share of it. It's free!

>>137237826

you are confusing social democracy with socialism

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>>137226318
Socialism fills the shelves with infinite emptiness. All for free!

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>>137226318
Socialism is winning!

>>137237533
One cant go with the other, once socialism is set in these countries, inequality will decrease (no more post-colonialism capitalist control like Commonwealth or françafrique) and the migrants will have no reason to get in european countries

But that also implies european countries will have to get autonomous and independant from colonial countries and get less ressources for a moment, thats the price to pay for independence

>>137237802
So what is your claim that lack of famines after collectivizations are caused by changes in meteorological conditions and lack of war and not improvement in food production?

>Feudal famines never killed millions
yes they did

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>>137231944
ancap isn't any better.

>>137228227
>opressing the opressor is wrong

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>>137226318
Socialism: hope of the future.

>>137238085
Well it's the same.
They appeal to lazy poor people because they think they'll get free stuff.
They'll get free nothing. Exactly like today. But they'll be told to be fucking happy about it or face "labor camp" for a few years to be re-educated.

>>137238366
Africans killed each other since the dawn of time and wil lkeep killing each other unless a gun is pointed at them and force them to sit.
Give Africa socialism and it will fall before the end of the week, leaving behind only war, misery and, yes, starvation, and the population will flee to better lands.

At this point of the conversation you usually mention that African warlord who made a coup, but it won't support your cause.

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>>137238457
You need to be brainwashed, communism is good!

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>>137226318

>>137238545
>appeal to lazy people

literary ideology that seeks to remove class that gets its income from renting land and extracting surplus value

please don’t make me laugh

>>137226574
>>137238228
So you have been here postim le communism is bad nonsense for 2 and a half hours? Get a life loser haha

>>137238380
>improvement in food production
Coincidence: the food shortage in the soviet union stopped when Stalin stooped telling the farmers what to do and they got a "communist" way of paying the farmers more when they produced more food.

Communism can work, you just have to discretely let capitalism do its job and label it communism.

>>137238597

This is as stupid as saying if socialism is set, there will be no more crimes or wars because everyone will ne equal and will have no reason to kill each other. Actually it was the capitalists who killed every true socialist like thomas sankara, ali soilih or lumumba, and these, were the true socialists by educating their people and sharing the ressources like ho chi minh did.

>>137227238
They don't even need helicopters.

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>>137226318

>>137238886
>Communism can work, you just have to discretely let capitalism do its job and label it communism.
Example: China

>>137238651
I never said that, but lying on your part is never good too. Your pic >>137228227 is pic of a captured german soldier in Stalingrad (from what i could find). Soviet army fought them, they fought soviets. That's how war works.

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>>137238794
Fuck off Nazi, you're gonna be in the next 100 million.

>>137238886
So your saying that during stalin soviets ditched planned economy and replaced it with market economy? Are you deliberately trying to be stupid?

Actually food shortages and poverty started happening after gorbachove introduced market reforms.

>>137238886
That would never happen if they let koulaks stay so your argument is invalid, communism contributed to give to people the ressources, the mistake of USSR was to give the entire gestion of the ressources to the state, thats why they put all the budget on army and collapsed

>>137239297
Don't believe the propaganda of the enemy. We will kill the next 100 million, you are already on the list.

>>137238750
Well yeah.
We agree, why would that make you laugh?
Lazy people are poor, but it can't be their fault, so it's the rich, because obviously, they stole it from them.
It's totally not that they worked hard to achieve something, unlike them.
They're just jealous as fuck and they know it.

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Commies fuck off, this is just the beginning more is coming for all reds.

>>137239028
>ho chi minh
The only thing he shared were bullets in the head of "rightists". For information: a rightist is someone who don't cheer hard enough.

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>>137239333
That's right, comrade. Pic related shows children suffering from starvation caused by Gorbachev.

>>137227899
>>137228139
don't even chinese AI bots hate communism?

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>>137239525
Imperialist propaganda! Robot communism will be best communism!

>>137239379
I know you just want the (you)s but just maybe you reevaluate your life decision?

>>137230243
>born in the woods
>doesn't acquire food
>dies
fkn capitalism

>>137239333
And just after the revolution.

Between the two, they had collectivities of farms. Every collectivity got a quantity of rubles depending of how many food they produced and were free to redistribute it in the farmers inside the colectivity, the guy producing more got more money. Communism at its best.

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DAILY REMINDER COMGEN IS A LEFTYPOL RAID

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>>137239663
Confess your sins, you imperialist scum, and you will have an easy death!

>>137239426
So if I get inherited wealth and I do nothing but hire people to manage that wealth that makes me somehow magically not lazy? I thought you guys are rational or something this is just pure stupidity.

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/leftypol/ butthurt eternally

>>137230679
>It's not our fault the only arguments you have are bodycounts.
Well, that and basic economics

>>137239705
Under socialism/communism/anarchism, you don't have to work to get food, you can just take the food of the farmer.

>>137238886
That's why the western nation could practically bribe them with basic food stuff like grain, corn, butter and meat.
They always had a shortage of food.
Even though Russia has one of the most vast farmland in the world.

Why?
Cause no one worked, why would they.
You just get your paycheck like anyone else even if you dicked around.

I remembered my dad went to a vacation once in the 80s there and had to wait 2 hours for hes food to be ready on hes table in a restaurant.
And everyone looked bored as hell.

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/leftypol/: where 12 year olds and 35 year olds cum together

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>>137239791
You imperialist shill, you will enjoy our holiday camp for 25 years!

>>137239851
Delet :(

>>137239464
>boohoohoo he killed people

People tried to kill him too, even USA tries to fuck him up, why do you love 2nd amendment yet hate people defending themselves ?

>>137239930
>Calls other shills
>But would gladly cuck for a commie bureaucrat

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>>137240001
terrible argument, ahmed

>>137240109
>american

Argument invalid

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>>137240065
You imperialist scumbag, don't sell our T-shirts for profit. Repent your sins, and you shall have a quick death.

>>137239894
we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us

>>137240085
You are on the list of the next 100 million people to be killed. The first 100 million actually wasn't enough.

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>>137240265

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>>137226318
Sage. But there's one thing I get positively from this types of threads, the anti-commie memes.
>>137228664
This.

>>137240364
You capitalist pig! How dare you!

>>137239829
No, but that's not what I'm talking about. Inheriting a business won't prevent you from failing if you're a poor manager.
People need to be able to pass down stuff they worked hard for to their children. Why the fuck would you bother otherwise?
If you hand it all to the state, you just end up with a new rich class anyways. How is that better?

>>137240755
>the only thing that make a business successful is how much money you had at the start
This mentality is why communist always fail to create a good economy.

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>>137240265

>French

your thoughts are obviously too complex for us LE BURGERZ xDD

>>137240494
What stops me for hiring someone with good education to take care of my finances, you know that is actually how most corporations work it is really rare that owners of something do all the management.

Didn’t we agree that it is stupid to just give people stuff for free? Why would you then support inheritance that is literally just that

>>137239333
>Actually food shortages and poverty started happening after gorbachove introduced market reforms.
I'm quite curious, can you bring up more details? Or maybe point me a source where did you get info about that

>>137239426
It's a bit generalizing. For sure we can't expect that everyone would be enterprising, there always are some lazy people or just idiots wich decisions bring them to poverty. And yes, there existed, exists and will exist a group of those idiots that will blame the "exploitative capitalist pigs". I've said before about the ilusion of harmony and it smelled a bit like darwinism, but objectively the human race have ability to fight this natural selection and why we should not? Idiots are still people, we can guarantee them the lowest-level support and charity seems like the best solution.

>>137227842
So there were just people there waiting to chimp out at the chance they could? Jesus I wish he had gotten more now.

>>137226318
kys commi cuck

>>137240993
You have no idea of how the business world works, do you?
Actual jobs are not provided by muh ebil mega-corporations.
It's mostly small business ran by hard working individuals.
You spit on them, but you have no clue how much they put into this.
One of them works as much as three of you lazy fucks.

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>>137240464
You are doing God's work, anon.
Never stop.

>>137228517
You will never get rid of the jews because leftism and communism are both jewish institutions from the start. It is them personified. They just need useful idiots like you presuming you are not larping in order to carry it out. Jews don't do manual labor. It's how they keep their hands clean no matter how much blood the spill. You slit you neighbors throte for bread and they go check under the matress for shekels. The reason commies hate fascism is because it chases out the jews. If you really are a useful idiot. You will go to the gulags first. I hope you figure that out soon and stop being a traitor to your country and people. You are working for the jews. They have no loyalty to goy nor do they have sympathy. We are cattle to be worked and slaughtered.

>>137240993
Inheritence is free stuff? Are you fucking retarded? People bought fair and square and paid taxes for their property. And people who are not mentally deranged work hard to have something to give to their children so they have it better than themselves one day.

Wow its Autism general.

>>137240993
>lazy commieshit lives in city flat and pays rent
>does not own anything because even parents were lazy bums
>sees how hardworking people inherit their parent's house and their parents's stuff which is all there because they weren't lazy bums all their life
>gets angry and envious
>INHERITENCE IS FREE STUFF PROPERTY IS THEFT I WANT THAT HOUSE! DISOWN THAT BOURGEUISIE PIG HAS TO BE DISOWNED!!!

Communists are terrible "people".

Post cute dead commie girls someone

>>137241571
>You have no idea of how the business world works, do you?

and you claim that majority of economy is run by small businesses - are you posting from other dimension or something? Go look at actual data you fucking dumb ass you will see that contradicts your stupid statement.

>>137241127
Conditions that were present during last years of soviet union are well known fact I don’t see how you cant find those sources by yourself. Finally after dissolution it went so bad that they elected communists that had to be overthrown by coup. I am not here to teach you history but argue do your own research.

>>137242632
It seems that your definition of free stuff is entirely different from mine. I thought that concept of "getting something for free" involves not doing any work that it is related to stuff you get, but it seems that you maybe have some better definition - please tell me it will amuse me so mutch.

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>>137243319
You Nazi scum, you shall be squashed by a fully loaded Venezuelan supermarket shelf. You will feel how heavy our arguments are!

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>>137226318
I've been away from /pol/ for 2-3 months and you people are still making this shitfest of a general? What's it been, a year since you fags started? Anyway, I hope the retarded commie Spaniard who made the majority of these retarded threads back then is getting raped by Moroccan and Algerian migrants.

>>137243549
>I thought that concept of "getting something for free" involves not doing any work that it is related to stuff you get

So the house I live in, which my greatgrandfather starded to build and my grandfather continued to build and which I am right now renovating is with everything inside bought by money and taxed is free stuff? Alright, what is supposed to happen to everything my family worked threw generations so hard for to create in your eyes?
Let me guess...I go to gulag and my house and everything inside gets distributed as free stuff to lazy subhumans like you are?

>>137243920
*tips fyodorov*

>>137243549
kys
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/who-actually-creates-jobs-start-ups-small-businesses-or-big-corporations/2013/04/24/d373ef08-ac2b-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

>The SBA considers firms with fewer than 500 employees small, placing nearly every business in the country (99.7 percent of firms that have employees) under that umbrella term — thus, it is no surprise they employ the most workers.

>A more strict definition of small business, using a limit of 50 employees, would still include the vast majority of the country’s businesses, but it would trim their share of the workforce to less than a third

>>137244043
https://unvis.it/washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/who-actually-creates-jobs-start-ups-small-businesses-or-big-corporations/2013/04/24/d373ef08-ac2b-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

>>137243920
It is that subhuman in Spain of course. He is a shitskin who is on gibs btw.

>>137243635
coincidentally, this is the amount of fucks I give.

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>>137242473

>>137243974
I am just pointing at contradictory statements your making. If your not opposed for giving people things for free its fine for me.

>>137244043
Still my claims that big businesses make most of the output country’s economy holds correct as we didn’t argue about who employs the most but you can nitpick articles all you want.

>>137244125
>who is on gibs btw.
>Militate for more larger gibs
What a surprise.

>>137244125
>He is a shitskin
As in shitskin Iberian or shitskin Arab etc?
>who is on gibs btw.
Top kek. I always knew the faggot was on gibs, or at least thought that he had richfags as parents, that's considering how much time he spent on /pol/.

>>137244918
>Nitpick
I literally just jewgled 'small business jobs vs corporate' and picked the first link in there.

>>137245224
I said that big buisnesse make most of country’s economy and you deliberately picked article which talks about employing and not general output in terms of production. You either just are desperate to support your claim or you are just dumb.

>>137244918
You know were you problem lies? As all communists you come out of a dysfunctional "family" of lazy bums who never deemed it important to leave somthing behind for their children. You don't get the difference between working hard to build something, family property, and let offspring take care off and add to by honest work. You want free stuff and are not willing to do anything in return.
You are a leech, a parasite and should be dealt with as such.

>>137245495
No it is small and medium businesses which pay most taxes, exploy most people and generate most wealth, because the big internationalist corporations are shoving their moniez into Luxemburg.

>>137245211
He is from Africa and jellaous of spanish ppl.

>>137245666
My job is over here, we reached the limit of rational argumentation over here. Go look at sticky on this board and that will explain my erection I got from all your stupid fucks that cant even construct one rational argument.

>>137244918
>>137245666
To add this: My home and all the property, build and added to by generations is not mine to do as I please, I maintain it for my children. I know that concept is foreign to you, but know so much. Any commieshit trying to take a single coin, screw or stone from me can have all the bullets I have for free.

>>137246011
You did nothing but spewing out retarded ideological talking points, ignore facts and logic.

>>137246442
And that’s why you got so triggered that you had to use empty insults as "arguments" against me. If I said so much bullshit I invite you to point it out.

>>137246730
I did and you were unable to answer even simple questions. You even said that the majority of wealth and economic power of a country is created by huge internationalist combines.

Also you are someone who would love to disown all hardworking people because you want to get your greasy hands on all they have without doing anything to deserve any of it. Of course noone would willingly give you what you demand in your audacity. Therefore like all communists ever, you would have to label them dissidents or "nazis" to put them into gulag to die and disown them. Which makes you a greedy thief and murderous piece of shit. Therefore you are subhuman scum.

>>137247395
>You even said that the majority of wealth and economic power of a country is created by huge internationalist combines

am I wrong, how much of americas gdp is owed to google?

>I did and you were unable to answer even simple questions

please we have a log of reply s point at what I didn’t answer

>hardworking people

please explain - HOW IS SOMEONE HARD WORKING WHEN ALL WEALTH HE GOT IS FORM HES FAMILY INHERITANCE DO YOU EVEN KNOW DEFINITION OF WORK YOU DUMB FUCK

>>137248171
So my greatgrandparent's, my grandparent's and my parent's work was nothing?

Wanna know why commieshit countries are such famine ridden hellholes of poverty? BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LEAVING SOMETHING BEHIND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

What happens to my family home in your commieshit society nightmare. Comeon faggot, answer.

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>>137226318
>Forcing people to abandon entrepreneurial pursuits at gunpoint
>ideally a stateless society

How much gasoline do I have to drink until this begins to make sense to me?

>>137248750
>So my greatgrandparent's, my grandparent's and my parent's work was nothing?

no but hey aren’t your work either and they don’t make you magically hard working you dumb shit - for someone to be hardworking he has to actually work why is this so hard to understand ??

>What happens to my family home in your commieshit society nightmare. Comeon faggot, answer.

Actually I come from country that had communism and my grandparents have build their wealth both privately and communally until that was taken away from them and privatized - schools and factory’s which were communally owned. were given away for free and turned into private villas for greedy incompetent fucks that were loyal to current people in power. Now we have imported shit food a and other products because it is no longer profitable to produce stuff and literally are only output is tourism

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Venezuela is state capitalist.

>>137249894
I am renovating it and thereby adding to the work of my ancestors. What now?

>>137250142
I don’t fucking care, as I said already 2 times I am just pointing out inconsistency in your arguments which state that people shouldn’t get free stuff - while your all for inheritance which is literally that. I am not even that much of a communist I just love too see you fucks getting triggered to this thread cause you ruining every discussion on the internet both liberal SJW and alt right fucks that visit pol and find their power not in them self but their stupid "organization".

>>137249894
Guess why - because those "communally owned" installations were broke due to using the depleting money and other resouces of other people to keep them up - which is one reason why communism fails.
Oh I see, your grandparents were staunch communists. The vast majority of people in former commie countries were those who got disowned so that their former property could be redistributed to ppl like your gradnparents. Anyone who "build" wealth in a commie society was a commie thief with blood on his hands.

>>137250664
>/pol/ is an organisation
kek

>>137250664
And I still got no answer to a simple question? Hmm why is that...Maybe because the answer would be that as soon I die (naturally if I was a good commiesucker taking it up the arse my entire life) mr. commissioner would show up and confiscate everything my family owned and my offspring would be send into commieblocks to live there (of course in different places, would not want to have family bonds undermine your beautifil utopia)

>>137251102
>my grandparents have build their wealth both privately and communally
I did answer but your to dumb too see it apperantly

>>/pol/ is an organisation

thats why I said "organization" (under quotes)

>because those "communally owned" installations were broke due to using the depleting money and other resouces of other people to keep them up - which is one reason why communism fails.

oh yeah that is why standard of living was much better before then now - and our economy is practically bankrupt even under capitalism

How exactly is Marxism politically incorrect? :/

>>137251716
>thinks we have capitalism in the west
Capitalism died between the 40s and 60s in the west. What we have here is corporatism, socialism light and central planning when it comes to the financial system controlled by central banks.
>capitalism
>45%+ tax level
pick one

>>137251716
/pol/ is a board in a phillipine knitting site

>>137252410
>How exactly is Marxism politically incorrect? :/

it makes you mad

>>137252898
Still production and economy is based not on rational principle of what is needed in society but on principle of market forces. Call it whatever you like but until we can organize our society on actual interest of humanity itself and not some completely arbitrary force we are fucked. Thats why you need immigrants for balancing low birth rate in western country’s - because market would collapse under increasingly old population.

>>137254004
It is not a free market when a government mainpulates it with subsidizes it. It is not a free market when governments overregulate products. It is not a free market when governments push certain products and companies by laws.

Someone who is against private property and people using their private property as they see fit and is opposed to the concept of fulfilling contracts - sticking to your word - and against cempetition - the driving force of nature itself - is delusional and dangerous.

And no it would not. Japan is increasingly aging and people are dying off. Which results in more wealthy people of younger age in a sense that they can afford more. E.g. property price falls due to decreasing population density.

And that is the shitshow called corporatism. They want migrant hordes so the wages stay low because dozens of people have to fight over one job. When there were less people due to elderly folk (boomer gen) dying off, there'd be less people and slightly more available jobs at some point which would mean that corporations would have to compete with higher wages for workers.

Yes the law of supply and demand works.

Go get run over by a car useless commie fucks.

>>137254910
laissez faire led to massive monopolies and atrocious working conditions. stop licking the boot.

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Sup sons.
How's the progress of class consciousness in your countries going?

>>137256478
>implying I wrote a government should to be allowed to implement basic conditions

>>137254910
>Someone who is against private property and people using their private property as they see fit and is opposed to the concept of fulfilling contracts - sticking to your word - and against cempetition - the driving force of nature itself - is delusional and dangerous.

We humans couldn’t get so far without fighting nature, all human progress is not because of our natural inclinations but in spite of them. That is why we have build society not to be slaves to nature and act according to our basic instincts but pursue higher principles . Greeks considered some people slaves not because they were born that way but because they acted according to their animal nature, while every greek would rather kill himself then be a slave. So yes I rather be delusional then be a slave to some arbitrary natural force of competition. I don’t work hard because I want to compete to some bloke across the streets but because I find pride in my work and I put everything on the line for it. Capitalism degrades humans to animals and slaves that work only for their survival I want some higher principle that is why I am more for communist society then current state we live in.

>And no it would not. Japan is increasingly aging and people are dying off. Which results in more wealthy people of younger age in a sense that they can afford more. E.g. property price falls due to decreasing population density.

Well I don’t see how you can build economy when you have half of population not working and just receive benefits it is impossible unless you implant some crazy work ethics and then you went over the driving force of capitalism (competition).

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>>137257390
There are the talking points again.
>"""CAPITALISM""" BAD
>MAKES YOU SLAVE
>COMMUNISM FREES YOU
It frees you from food and toilet paper - and for many from their lives.

Also humans were fighting nature? When ffs before the last 100-300 years [depends on the point of view]? And how? By building an artificial cave instead of living in a natural cave? By planting stuff? By feeding animals? You just stated that some average farmer taking care of his land in a responsible way (working with nature) to an industrial agricultural combine depleting resources via monocultures and overexploitation + poisoning huge areas. (working against nature)

>>137258438
*is akin to and industrial...