James Fields legal discussion.

>second degree murder
Care some Burger explain this? What are the exact difference between degrees of murders?

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>>137225993
It means if you killed them hard or soft.

>>137225993

Generally my understanding is that first degree murder is premeditated, while second degree is some act of passion in the heat of a moment.

I read that Fields was charged with second degree murder, that seems way too harsh given that an angry crowd was threatening him. If someone smashes a rock on a car windshield, even if it isn't traveling that fast, it could go through the windshield and hit the driver in the head.

I really don't think he has much legal culpability for what happened, given that the angry crowd put him in fear for his well-being.

>>137225993

>First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder is typically first-degree.

>Second-degree murder: any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.

>Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.

>Involuntary manslaughter: (sometimes referred to as fourth-degree murder), a killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

>>137226216

It could go either way in court, desu. The prosecutor might try to use his family to leverage a plea bargain, though.

>>137225790
Hero!

>>137225790
>What's going to happen to James Fields in terms of the justice system? Any lawyers want to offer an opinion?
It depends on intent and context of the situation.
Involuntary manslaughter could be argued if it can be argued that he feared for his life. This only carries a light prison sentence.

Second degree murder can be plea-bargained down to 20 years, or life in prison if he fights and loses.

>>137225790
The guy is a obvious psyop, look a his facebook that was archive and die, when he is in jail somehow, le pepe, le hitler, le feels and muh dodge, the goal is this: the fbi will frame the altright and this guy, the msm will talk about this to 2 weeks then some rep. will pass a bill to classify the altright as a terrorist group:

https://archive.fo/PWSRp
https://archive.is/Vd4oV
Is too perfect, the memes are too superficial

>>137225993
First degree means he was planning and had evidence that he was specifically out to commit the crime.
Second degree means a random act of violence.
Accessory to murder means he assisted in the killing of someone else
Manslaughter is the equivalent of 'I wasn't doing it with murderous intent, but the thing I was doing obviously would have resulted in someone dying, and then my actions resulted in their death'.
Involuntary manslaughter is 'I wasn't doing it with murderous intent, and the thing I was doing wouldn't normally result in someone dying. But someone died as the result of my actions anyway.'

Manslaughter and Involuntary Manslaughter are two very common plea bargains for self defense cases. IE: the "I feared for my life" defense.

>>137226407
Here's the thing though, involuntary manslaughter through negligence still requires intent to commit an action that isn't the murder ie. you intended to drive drunk, you just didn't intend to hit the person.
If there's footage out there of a brick or bat hitting his car just before he accelerates he could argue it was not a voluntary act. (he didn't intend to cause death AND he didn't intend to accelerate)

>>137226638
this

>>137225790
There was a tweet by some woman (can't find it and don't know who she is but she had a verified checkmark, a screencap of it was posted here) who said the general opinion of the police are that the driver was active out of fear rather than malice

Obviously it's a different state so the laws may be very different, but the video that went viral a few years ago where a guy drove his SUV through the group motorcyclists who surrounded him in NYC. They weren't even attacking his car, just surrounded it in an aggressive manner. A few people got hit and one was paralyzed from the waist down. The driver was never charged.

The only footage I've seen of this so far is after he was accelerating away. It's also worth noting that if he really wanted to kill a lot of people he should have turned and slammed into the large crowds on the sidewalks instead of hitting the car in front of him.

I think there is a chance he may get off, it all depends on what was happening when he first began to accelerate.

>>137225790
>Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the U.S. state of Virginia.

CHOOO FUCKING CHOOO

NO BRAKES, FAGGOT

>>137226216
Makes no sense. Let's say I point a gun at your head and you feel threatened. If you short me that's self defence. If you, feeling threatened, shoot an innocent bystander there's no self defence.

Regardless the key in murder charges, as opposed to manslaughter, is intent. Did the accused intend to commit a crime, intend to cause harm. 1st degree is premeditated. 2nd is intentional, with malice forethought but not planned. Part of it is the nature of the act and its consequences. For example, if I pull the trigger of a gun and kill you, a resonaoble person would condone that act would be an intent to kill; if I deliberately trip you and you hit your head in a freak way and that kills you, a responsible person may not conclude the act was an intent to kill. That's why some states have 3rd, or voluntary manslaughter, which are crimes of passion or anger when the intent isn't necessarily to kill, but that is the result. Involuntary manslaughter is when the accused kills but did not intend to, or kills through negligence (drunk driving is an example) .

2nd seems to fit the bill.

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>>137226606
>Involuntary manslaughter could be argued if it can be argued that he feared for his life


Good luck with that !

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>>137225790
he isn't going to be charged at all lmao

>>137225790
didnt some american states pass some law saying you can run protesters over who are on the road

>>137228099
Good luck with that. The video shows self-defense on the part of the crowd. They rush his car AFTER he strikes those in front of him.

>>137228544
that video does what you say. but other videos from a different angle show that the car was hit before and that is what the lawyers will use
this guy is a hero

>>137225790
He is going to get the book thrown at him.
Seriously, this guy is fucked.
He accelerated INTO a crowd on a road that was already blocked by other cars. Even if you are trying to drive away, this is not what you would do.
Then to top it off he reversed out of the area, endangering more people and fleeing the scene of the accident.

This guy is fucked, if you cannot see that you are truly beyond help.

>>137228626
Post them.

>>137228626
>this guy is a hero
Why?

>>137225790
>justice system
Killing niggers and antifa is the real justice

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>pay for their medical expenses

>>137225790
I have read that a witness was describing a scrawny white guy with a beard. I think the guy might still get off the hook, since he might be a random bystander

>>137226407
So the best thing he could say is he was scared and panicked?

>>137228853

Yes, and considering antifa is basically defined by destruction of property and violence he would have a good case for it.

>>137228099

Its going to be difficult for the prosecution to make a case when this video shows people actively hitting his windows with baseball bats.

>>137226407
>involuntary man's laughter.
Sounds about right.

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>>137225790
Honestly stuff like this really disturbs me.
On one hand you feel bad for the people who got hurt.
On the other hand, you feel strongly that those who held the driver against his will and intimidated him (possibly causing him to fear for his life) bare some serious responsibility for what happened.

The question then becomes... how do we judge those who because of entrapment, intimidation and fear for their life caused by others chose to plow his car through people purposefully blocking him and perhaps a few innocents behind them?

If that man was in a car and another man was holding a gun to his head and told him to drive through the people would be charge that man with a crime?
Is that really any different?

Really confusing.
Part of me feels like under certain circumstances I think he should get off and those who entrapped him should possibly be charged but I just don't know
its a complicated one for sure

>>137225790
When is this mugshot from? He's clearly spotted wearing different clothes on the day of his arrest and during his arrest.

>>137228853
/pol/ is so smart they first misidentified the assailant as an antifa member, then when that wasn't the case they turned it into a conspiracy, and now are saying he acted out of fear. /pol/ is delusional this dude is getting life.

>>137228099
Wtf. Ok. This guys a hero. They even chase him forward after the first hit. The cars getting swarmed. Almost ANY maneuver is justified.

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>>137226788
>Involuntary Manslaughter
88 confirms.
does seem like the best fit though. hope he won't be thrown to wolves over this. hell, i'm not ever sure he's guilty of that desu

>MFW he gets off scot-free and we see the greatest chimpout since mike brown

>>137228544
>rushing a car that just crashed with a baseball bat
>self defense
How many layers of weed are you on right now?

>>137229198
>/pol/ is one person
It is not inconsistent or backpedaling if different people are reacting to facts as they emerge.

>>137229198
Why didn't he kill more then? Basically both cuckservatives and libtards are masturbating furiously making up their own narrative before all the facts are even out yet.

>>137228099
love the people attacking the car from behind.

If there's clear footage of him being attacked before he starts accelerating he gets off.
If there's clear footage of him accelerating without being attacked he gets 20+
If there's no clear footage roll the dice and wait a year.

Gonna take a wild guess that he'll be charged with terrorism. Billions of homeland security dollars will now go into monitoring and disrupting 'nazi' ideological groups.

He will obviously go to jail as hes but a stooge. Its so obvious narrative being pushed its not even funny

>>137229234
Did he run over niggers? Soros is really slipping. Nazis running over faggots is a non chimp dispute.

>>137229419
/pol/ was right

once again

>>137229198
>people have different opinions on things when the facts aren't completely clear
well fuck me, who would have thought that

>>137228099
Yeah, it's gonna be Zimmerman 2.0

>>137229198
We're not saying that's the actual reason he did it, we're saying it could be used as a defense.

>>137228544
its self defense to rush the crowd with a car since they like your family is anti White.

its self defense to rush when they hit the back of the car since car is standing still after his rush its not self defense of leftist.


in short you are going to get killed nigger

>>137227685
>Makes no sense. Let's say I point a gun at your head and you feel threatened. If you short me that's self defence. If you, feeling threatened, shoot an innocent bystander there's no self defence.

Uhhh dude? The law does cover this, because that does happen in robberies.

When someone robs a store, and the employee attempts to shoot the robber, even if the employee misses and hits someone in the background, the robber gets the legal blame. The robber created the situation in the first place.

Are there any lawyers here or people good with looking up laws? What's the legal precedent for a motorist attempting to flee an angry crowd who kill/injures someone?

I really wouldn't call it second degree murder. That's fuckin' bullshit. It's involuntary manslaughter at best.

>>137228099
all those black block motherfuckers were chasing him

>>137229540
this

>>137229052
...yeah, after he rammed into them at speed.

they're going to treat him as a scapegoat. america is furious with white men. he's the perfect person to scapegoat and punish for the collective actions of the alt-right. regardless of whether he is guilty of his charges or not, i suspect he will not be out of prison in a very long time. wont be hard to convict him if he goes to trial.

>>137229852
i dont know if they got off or not but there has been a shitload of protesters hit by car videos coming out of america this year, keep it up because its fucking entertaining

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>>137225790
Lawyer will pin it on Stephen King.

https://youtu.be/Igyy_rnaw-Q

(premiered earlier this week)

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>>137227262
>I think there is a chance he may get off, it all depends on what was happening when he first began to accelerate.

This. But we already got a pretty good look at what happened.

He had a very, very long way toward the crowd including a lot of turns for him to be able to take to avoid it.

>>137229540
i looked at the vid again, you can see someone hit his car before he floors it and you can hear a bang before that but can't really see it.

>>137229772

It's a valid defense if a rational person in his shoes could reasonably have acted as he did. It may get him off if the woman died after he reversed, but if he hit her going in there doesn't seem to be any evidence he was hit with the bats earlier.

Even then, you can lock your car doors and it's going to depend heavily on the court venue situation, probably even moreso than the facts themselves.

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Why do we care again, though? Either it's a false flag, so the trial will be rigged unless we can prove the false flag op existed, or it isn't, and he's just a dumbfuck.

In that case, we should try to focus as little as possible on him and hope he shuts the fuck up, and we should solely focus on the order for police to stand down + the civil rights violations by the mayor/governor.

I think we should compare him to the Dallas shooter, post "why did no one on the left feel beholden to distance themselves from this man when he shot 5 police officers dead", etc, instead of trying to turn doughface here into a martyr and chaining ourselves down with his crimes.

>>137226638
This response is 100% correct. This entire thing was a psyop from the word "go". Wake up newfags, the jews are at full-blown kikery desu!!!!!

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>>137229222
It is so

>>137229343
>automobile driver is slamming into pedestrians
>rush car to remove him from vehicle and stop further harm to MORE pedestrians

None, you?

>>137225790
Stop giving any fucks, you cattle
This is a distraction
The actions by TPTB to stop a peaceful rally after it was permitted and backed by the ACLU. This is what's important
The police once again let the left run riot and punished those attending what should have been a peaceful rally
Fuck, I despair sometimes

>>137227685
>well what if I just reframed this case with a stupid analogy that doesn't work because I'm stupid
t. armchair lawyer

>>137230218
>He had a very, very long way toward the crowd including a lot of turns for him to be able to take to avoid it.

This. Plus the guy was at the Nazi rallies. He knew full well there was a counter rally and decided to drive towards it anyways.

>They attacked his car, he panicked
That's not a valid defense. Maybe for fleeing the scene, but he rammed the crowd well before anyone hit the car.

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he's innocent.

I heard on the internet one of the protesters was running a pedophilic pizza store out of his trunk. You must acquit!

>>137230464
B R E A K L I G H T S

>>137226638
The media can't talk about anything for 2 weeks. Have you been paying attention?

>>137228689

If he didn't reverse out of the area, the crowd would have smashed into his car and murdered him.

>>137225790
Old fag and natsoc since 2001 here. This entire show is a psyop. This guy is what is called a "crises actor" for false flag attacks designed by jewish men. Wake the fuck up newfags. The jews are committing kikery on levels never seen before. This is designed to de-legitimize the rigtht as well as pit the white race against ourselves. THINK! 1488!

>>137225790
>>137225790

Well he's basically going to get a death sentence, because he's definitely going to jail, and as soon as he gets there some black guy is going to stab him in the throat.

>>137230784
That's not for the reverse that he will be charged, that's for the forward.

There's another video angle that isn't just the ending where you can see a dude throw what looks like a brick or a bottle at his car right before he accelerates into the crowd.

>>137230383
Agreed. A distraction and a psyop full of crises actors

>>137228689
And if he claims to not have seen the car behind the militant protesters already with their clubs and sticks in their hands?

>>137230878
Because blacks in jail care that much about white communist women.

>>137228099
>post video of car flinging 6 gorillion ANTIFA into the gas chambers
>this totally exonerates him bro
Weaponized schizophrenia

>>137230309

So what is the proper response?

You know how these false flags work -- think back to whichever other one you were convinced was also true. The perpetrators give us bits and pieces, either accidentally or on purpose, and as we howl that it's a false flag, most Americans can't parse the evidence or who simply don't care. They then end up thinking we're paranoid and delusional, and morons/infiltrators here amp up the most insane claims as they arise.

Discussing and investigating here is one thing, but when this shit leaks into the mainstream and is then never proven, it's just more "pizzagate tinfoil" to most Americans. It doesn't help us at all.

So back to the question -- what do we do?

Trump is already working on it: We blame the mayor/governor for pulling resources and therefore leaving people unprotected -- on MANY sides.

This course of action turns EVERYONE PRESENT into a victim, and makes the local Democrat government as responsible as the "murderer" himself. It also ensures that the type of bill they want to pass no longer has the right moment, because they have to play defense.

Keep searching for real, hard evidence of a psyop, but until we have it, the proper course of action is to support Trump and Sessions and act surprised people would even consider asking if you "support" what car-guy did.

Should police be blamed for this for not having control of Antifa?

>>137230878
He'll go straight into solitary PC. No death penalty. 10 - 20 years. Less with good behaviour.

>>137229493
I love how they are completely oblivious to the reverse light.

>>137230961

no, but they don't really like white supremacists

>>137228689
He likely didn't see that there road had cars further down. They will argue he should have reversed out rather than sped forward though.

>>137229026
What are the chances that he defintly gets acquited without, so that he does not spend a day in jail?

There is already footages where he was attacked by a mob.

>>137231206
No chance, he is definitely doing time. Even with a plea bargain he will get at least 10 years they are going to make an example out of him to save themselves the rioting.

Ìf a woman in a car would have done that surrounded by angry men would she got away with that?

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>>137231027

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>>137226638
What I want too know is how did they know it was him? License plate or did he get out of the vehicle? This is my hypothesis it was a self driving car that hit those people and they framed the white man.

>All these people saying it was a psyop

I said no edgy shit you fucking conspiracy theorists.

This topic is for discussing what happens if a motorist is threatened by an angry crowd and kills/injures someone while attempting to flee.

>>137231354
>he will get at least 10 years they are going to make an example out of him to save themselves the rioting.
thats not how the justice system works mate

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>>137229642
he ran over at least one- pic related- leaving him in a reverse planking maneuver with a look on his face that betrayed a sudden cognitive ability to reassess his life choices and perhaps even the very nature of Gibs themselves.

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>>137225790
This guy absolutely needs to get free. Just imagine the absolute state of asshurt and further acceleration of the race war if, that would happen.

>>137231206
>What are the chances that he defintly gets acquited

Good. All it takes is one juror out of twelve that is sick of commies.

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He's definitely getting the death penalty. 100% Nice attack level premeditation going on.

>>137231019
They violated the nap, retard.

faggot shouldnt have been there in the first place. why the fuck he bring his car and why drive in the streets where there are protestors.

and if this is the cause you believe in, knowing what the jewnews does he should have sacrificed himself. let himself be stoned by those Antifa cucks to become a martyr

Weak minded fucker. if you live by the meme you should die by the meme

Can someone post a slow motion version of any of the angles so we can analyze the vehicle of possible damage from before he accelerated?

>>137231446
That's how it works in the US you faggot. Haven't you got a faggot postal vote to jerk off into?

he has to say one thing "I feared for my life" and he'll be free

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>>137225790

What are the odds that the leftist terrorist didnt kill her off to make her a martyr? What if sje was just uncounsious and the libtards took it upon themeselves to suffocate her in order to leave you guys holding the bag?

These hellborn are not above anything now

>>137231496
he lives in america and wasn't packing a gun, doesn't sound too premeditated to me. when whites plan on killing they get more than 1 person

>>137225790
>White Nationalists organize rally with the city and the police
>Antifa come along and cause disturbances
>City cancels the rally and brings in police to disband it (THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT)
>All protest/rally permits that allow people to walk on the road are revoked
>Antifa is still walking down the road and protesting, which is now against the law
>Something happens to cause the car driver to accelerate down the road into the crowd of Antifa
>Antifa immediately brings in steel bats (I wonder where they found them on such short notice?) and starts to hit the car
>Car driver reverses out

At this point if Antifa, at any point, blocked him from driving down a road that he is legally allowed to drive down, and if Antifa made him feel that his life was "in danger" (which is entirely relative, having your windshield hit by one person when there are 20 other people like them around your car is "in danger", and it's been that way since the LA Riots), he's going to get off. That is unless they can somehow bring the feels out and make the Jury believe that he did it intentionally, which is hard to prove exactly but let's be honest, his Facebook page is a living meme.

He probably hasn't broken the law, but Antifa and it's supporters will attempt to make it look like he did.

>>137231561
It wasn't illegal for him driving down the road wasn't it? The road wasn't closed.

>>137231354
So, the us judge system is taking into account political circumstances as well? Than they are not unbiased as they claim.

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>>137225790
this should be a lesson - pay $100 for a dash cam

>>137231496
That "I'm so startled" camera movement is always a dead giveaway. It's not hard to point a camera even with action unfolding. Fail.

>>137226124
Quality post, Brad

>>137231628

That only works for police officers hahaha.

Police officers and civilians have different standards for self-defense, since the job of a police officer basically requires them to go get in confrontations with general members of the public, they're allowed more leeway.

Not that I agree with it, I think the pigs are a bunch of faggots.

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>>137231496
Why would he brake then?

>>137225790
he's gonna get convicted
because he's fucking GUILTY
unless its all a fake
and he wasn't the driver
>watch as this becomes the main defense

>>137231601
yeah thats why george zimmerman is not in jail. and get off your high horse, youve had fags marrying for ages now

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>>137231791
No, it works that way for everyone.

>>137231496

>1 dead
>"OMG THIS IS JUST LIKE NICE, FRANCE!"

stfu faggot.

>>137227961
>hey are you one of those fash-faggots?
>HEY GET OVER HERE!!
yes being targeted for violence by association is a reason

>>137231689
Good post

>>137231707
it's not a matter of legality. Who the fuck brings their car along to drive in the middle of a demo? If he had any common sense he would have park well away from the area if he had to use his car. IF the demo had then changed and goes to the area where his car was, then leave his car until everything dies down. Get a cab go home and pick it up tomorrow.

Common sense was lacking by this due. not surprising>>137231707
as he is only 20. BUt if's old enough to go to a demo where he knows it's going to kick off, then he's old enough to go to jail for the rest of his life.

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>>137227262
For what its worth

>>137231906

Uhh no, it really doesn't.

If you're not a police officer, and you shoot a woman in self-defense, if she's breaking into your home or whatever, you're probably going to get convicted of a crime.

The pigs can say "I thought my life was in danger", not general members of the public.

General members of the public have to PROVE that their life was in danger.

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>>137231813
>Why would he brake then?
if the brake lights lit, you must acquit.

>>137231689
North Carolina has a bill up for a vote that makes the running over of protestors that block streets a noncriminal offense. James is going to get a deadlocked jury on that alone.

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Why are white supremacists always such fucking hideous abominations?

>>137231027
put out the idea that the msm was rather quick to find a motive, but when it's black or arab they can never quite guess for weeks

>>137230142
I hope not, I live up the road from him. If there is an influx of traffic and/or camera crews, I'm going to be pissed.

>>137230464

what am i looking at

>>137230612

explain thanx

>>137226638
>Alt-right becomes terrorist group.
>Change name to alt-alt-right.

>>137232046
>it's not a matter of legality. Who the fuck brings their car along to drive in the middle of a demo?
But that's not important. If the rally was banned and all activists/protestors/White Nationalists were ordered to go home (WHICH THEY WERE), cars are legally allowed to drive normally. The burden is on Antifa to not block roads.

>>137232116
You don't know what you're talking about. This isn't about a shooting, this is about the specific situation of being boxed in and threatened by protestors or criminals while you are in a car. Precedent on this was created during the LA Riots.

If you are on a federal highway and protestors are illegally blocking it (which is all of the time, considering you're not allowed to be on federal highways unless there's an emergency or scheduled roadworks), you are 100% allowed to go through them at 100 MPH. If you are in a car and you're being boxed in by people who have a reason to hurt you (throwing a water bottle or a rock is enough), you are allowed to go through them to protect your life. In most situations I also believe that you are allowed to use a firearm to defend yourself.

>>137232046
You're really reaching here, might as well talk about preventing JFKs assasination.

>>137225790
>people were hitting his car and threatening him

From the video, it seemshe was already speeding when that happenned. Also, he fled the scene of the crime and apparently didn't surrender to the constabulary or the police central. And judging by his past (He apparently said to family he was there for the "alt-right" rally/he was photographed on Friday there) it could be judged as premeditated. I tend to see the glass only half empty though

>>137232111
i cant wait for this dude to get off, get ready for the mother of all chimp outs

>>137232111
Yep, we have the same police guys here:

> guy arrested for no other reason than being black
> Tear of the anus of 15 cm with a metal baton
> 6 month hospital, will shit in a pouch forever
> offficial explanation: The guy just sat accidentaly on the officer's baton.

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>>137225790

or maybe jews staged this so they could put a negative spin on the entire event.

the movement is growing and they have to stop it.

>>137225790
Nothing because it was a false flag, and this fat kid is an actor.

>>137225790
Hopefully he is charged with terrorism and is executed as a traitor to America.

>>137232451
What past? Being alt right doesn't make him a terrorist by principle.

>>137231861
zim-zam had no witnesses and a physical wound. unless this guy has proof that he was assaulted first everyone is just going to see those 30sec of crash footage and decide off of that

>>137232539
what the FUCK is that thing

Who started the violence? Is there any reports / proof who started it?

My guess is of course Antifa but it would be nice with some confirmation

>>137232395
>Not ctrl+alt+right

>>137231412
More than likely, women have more rights than men in this country and that's before the feminazis step in. I mean, you can look up our laws online and see for yourself how much there is just to protect women, especially from men.

>>137232430
>The burden is on Antifa to not block roads.
that fuckign stupid, is a demo, between right and left nothing will be peaceful or go according to plan.

Which is precisely why he should have brought his car int he first palce and been in that position.

he had the legal right to be therem he had the leagl right to drive his car and park his car he had the legal right to defend himself he had all these rights but he made bad choice after bad choice and now he's going to pay for it. and so will the rest of the the right.. this bitch played right into the hands of the left.

>>137232116
not where i live you stupid faggot thats the persecutors job

>>137232758
my guess is its the guys who brought a baseball bat to a protest

>>137232734
it's a pilot, racist.

>>137228099
>it was a peaceful protest
literally 98% of all the people were carrying weapons

>>137229596
Seriously. New president, same shit

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>>137232442
the fuck are you talking about kraut. These were simple decisions he could of and should have made but didnt.

>>137226638
>autist from the alt right that runs people over isn't going to have pepe and Hitler memes
FACE IT LOSERS.
THIS HAPPENED.
IT'S ONE OF YOUR FELLOW TRAVELLERS.
ACCEPT IT AND STOP PROMOTING DELUSIONAL FAKE CONSPIRACIES WITH NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN AN YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS.

>>137230849
This leaf is right. Wether this guy is a psycho or a psyops commando we are going to get hit hard by this. Not sure what we can do yet but keep digging and wait a few days to see what happens; reactions, media coverage, charges

>>137225790
>From my understanding, people were hitting his car and threatening him, which caused his actions

nobody in the crowd he actually hit had done anything to him.

what he did is simply first degree murder for that reason.

>>137232855
That's not how our legal system works. Our legal system is based on the idea that there is an Ideal Man, an Ideal Society, and a God. The first two are based on the latter.

It doesn't matter if you made a bad choice, and it doesn't matter if other people made bad choices. The law applies regardless. In this case, if he was boxed in first, he didn't do anything wrong. That's it.

>>137232685
There was an article about him on Heavy, their sources seem ok. But him being affiliated with a movement that antagonizes antifa could point towards the fact that it was intentional. If you were a prosecutor, and you saw a muslim man run over christian marchers, what would you think?

>>137230659
>muh russia for half a year

it's all about agenda pushing

>Is he going to have to pay for these people's medical expenses
There's a thought: have we started crowdfunding the medical expenses of these poor commie fucks yet? Consider it an olive branch.

1. He's gonna get the chair

2. I'd be asking what will happen to far-right groups. You gonna get the wireeee

>>137225790


2nd degree murder is done with intent and malice but is not premeditated.

i think he will want to essentially argue that it was manslaughter, 4th degree murder, where you didn't intent to kill anyone, but killed someone out of negligence.

But basically, the system will want to fry this dude. He's a Nazi, after all.

>>137231686
Damn straight, you aim for the high score before you drop. What's the point of going out like that if you don't take as many people with you as possible?

>>137233082
No it isn't

It'd be at best 2nd degree

For first you'd have to prove that his intent was to commit murder and that he planned his actions to some extent

>>137225993
it's imperial measure, doesn't calculate logically
>>137226638
untill clear, this.

If there's any evidence of his car being attacked prior to the collision in a way that made his collision part of an attempt to escape violence then, with a good lawyer, he could very well walk. This is assuming the prosecution can't dig up anything that could be twisted into evidence of premeditation.

If he does walk, there's going to be a biblical chimp out.

>>137232910
Exactly. Why did all the guys running after the car have baseball bats. Fucking idiots.

>>137230453
>but he rammed the crowd well before anyone hit the car.

That looks like it might not be the case.

>>137232451
There is no indication that he was speeding. In fact there is video evidence that suggests he wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJhmPJX8Aps

@ 0:01 in this video, you can see he pumps his brakes as he approaches the intersection. You can see his brake lights flash and you can hear his tires screech.

@0:03, as he approaches the intersection at a slower speed, the rear fender of the vehicle is struck by an armed man in a gray hoodie and black pants (far left of the screen). As a result of this assault, the driver accelerates the vehicle to escape the attack. From his perspective, the crowd in the road ahead of him was just a crowd, but they are actually dangerous obscuring two parked cars from the vision of drivers on the road, causing the collision.

In this video, upon collision with the obscured parked vehicle, there is a pause in action by the Challenger driver. @0:15, his car is swarmed by armed assailants, and he springs back into action to escape the assault, putting it in reverse and fleeing backward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weg3fP0lZmE&feature=youtu.be

This was self-defense from beginning to end.

>>137230849
This is very possible

if pedestrians are in violation of local law by walking on the road you go another way or stop and call the police.

you dont carry on driving and run them over. because then you'd have committed a much worse crime than they did.

>>137229790

that's was after. you need to look at what happened just prior.

>>137230382
That's vigilantism, not self defense.

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>>137233078
good ol 1 post by this ID

fuck off kike

>>137233330
what about when the pedestrians are hitting your car with bats? Why are peaceful law abiding protesters carrying bats, and potentially breaking the law?

>>137233285
>There is no indication that he was speeding. In fact there is video evidence that suggests he wasn't.

it doesnt matter if he was technically speeding or not. you have a responsibility to act in a sane fashion if the road is crowded with people.

>>137233330
Not if you haven't actually committed a crime!

>>137233234
There is already obvious evidence that thisnwas premeditated, it's the car.
The airbags were intentionally disabled. He's getting the death penalty.

>>137225790
Vehicular homicide
a crime that involves the death of a person other than the driver as a result of either criminally negligent or murderous operation of a motorvehicle. In cases of criminal negligence, the defendant is commonly charged with unintentionalvehicular manslaughter.

>>137233166

You fucking TRAITOR. Assisting the enemy is punishable by death. We should work to bankrupt the families of the injured so that they die of fucking gangrene. We must continue to grind salt into the wound. And there must be more, and more, and more violence, ever increasing, until the swastika flies above ever nation in the world.

>>137225790
So here's the deal:

First degree murder is premeditated.

Second degree is not.

He right now is facing second degree, but if they find that, rather than simply impulsively driving into the crowd, he deliberately sought them out, then it may be upgraded to first degree before he goes to trial.

First degree would carry a maximum penalty of death.

Second degree carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.

On top of that, there are other potentially aggravating factors which could drive him over the top - hate crimes, for instance, are punished more severely.

The people who are shouting about "his car was attacked" are complete morons who don't understand the law - it doesn't actually matter at all. The problem is that you can only use lethal force if you are in serious threat of death or serious bodily harm, *and* you didn't start it.

Deliberately driving into a crowd - which he did, he ran down the crowd from behind - is a clear act of aggression on his part, not self-defense. He was clearly attacking others with that, given he plowed into a bunch of people who weren't even looking his direction, and many who did see him tried to get away.

This means that he cannot claim self-defense - he deliberately attacked a bunch of random people with a lethal weapon who were trying to retreat from the situation.

Moreover, because he attacked the crowd with lethal force, at that point, the people in the crowd have the right to attack *him* with lethal force, because a car can outrun a person on foot, and there is no real possibility of retreat for them if he chooses to keep attacking them. Thus, any injuries he causes while escaping from the situation are not acts of self-defense, but themselves would constitute part of his attack on the crowd.

>>137233086

he made bad choices that got him into this mess. regardless of his innocence or guilt.

I'm not favouring his chances. He's going to do time and he'll have time to reflect upon and regret those decisions he took.

So is it proven that he was one of the far-right demonstrators?

He'll get the chair to make an example out of him

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>>137177048
False flag shit

>>137231484
Underrated

>>137232855
Now Muhammad is raping the English language too

>>137225790
According to the libertarian system of justice he should get the death penalty

>>137233447
Wrong. He merely has to act in a "reasonable" manner, according to his subjective perspective, to boot. That's self-defense common law in every state. I'd say, given the circumstances of being surrounded by his political enemies, many of whom were armed, several of whom attacked him, he acted reasonably.

I'd vote to acquit him.

>>137233588
piss be upon you.

>>137233461
I dunno, maybe it's a good idea to show an absurd amount of compassion so we can secure a sane immigration policy.

>>137233425
>what about when the pedestrians are hitting your car with bats?

nobody was hitting his car with bats when he began his death ride further up the road.

regardless, you dont have the right to kill people who have not harmed you, as the crowd he actually hit had not

>>137233447
It goes both ways. You have a responsibility to drive safely, and pedestrians have a responsibility to not walk on the fucking road.

>>137233493
That's not justice.

>>137233463
Unless they can prove that he actually went there to start something, he's not getting Second Degree. He's getting Involuntary Manslaughter at best.

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>>137225790


Does anyone remember the Trayvon Martin case from Florida?

Not that this applies to this case, but Virginia is also a castle doctrine state like Florida, including in public areas, which means that self defense is applicable if there's reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.

Virginia DOES NOT have the right to repel forcible felonies however. This means the reasonable fear requirement (of death or great bodily harm) must be met. If the criminal has a weapon, then that requirement is more easily met. If the criminal does not, it's more difficult to meet, even if a crime is taking place.

Virginia also requires that you didn't instigate the situation that lead to your fear. This doesn't mean legally going about your business and accidentally provoking someone, but rather showing that it was your motive to provoke them. If you meant to provoke them then you lose the protection of the castle doctrine laws, even if you didn't expect them to retaliate. In this case you're required to retreat. This doesn't apply if you didn't mean to provoke them.

Give this post some (You's) for visibility if you think it applies at all. I don't know about this specific case so I can't comment.

>>137233285
/thread

Can faggots stop running in here and trying to demoralize us with this shit?

Found a slow motion link with multiple angles. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cpj8GFFAM4 doesn't look good, no visible damage before hand. I did not detect brake lights either. Judging but all angles so far, he would have had no reason to accelerate the 3o or so yards forward towards the dense part of the crowd when towards his rear was virtually clear. I could also be wrong, but it seems he started to accelerate close to the crossroad.

>>137233720
kek.
You expect justice in the real world.

my prediction is that he's innocent and there will be hard evidence to support it, but the prosecution will ignore all that and use frog memes and comments from his social media to claim that he was planning on hurting people. I'd say it's 50-50 he's convicted.

>>137233632
>Wrong. He merely has to act in a "reasonable" manner, according to his subjective perspective, to boot. That's self-defense common law in every state

you're absolutely wrong, the concept of reasonable is not subjective it is set by the courts.

you sounds like a bar room lawyer but i have had legal training myself.

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>>137228099
>Crowd had bats and makeshift weapons, attacking the vehicle the whole time.

What a shitty psyops. Antifa still looks like a terrorist organization, not the altright. Where are le based Turkish security guards when you need them?

>>137233704
>nobody was hitting his car with bats when he began his death ride further up the road.
And you know this how? You can see people throwing rocks and bottles at the car even before the crash. How do you know what happened before the events that were caught on camera?

>>137233885
BLM vs /k/ 2.0

>>137233540
That lady is thick

>>137233463
Being hit with bat-like objects would qualify as being in serious threat of death or serious bodily harm, if indeed he was.

>>137233885
>50-50
way to keep sitting on that fence faggot.

>>137233889
>i have had legal training myself.

Shariah law doesn't apply here

>>137233451
>The airbags were intentionally disabled.

By what means? Unless the wires are physically cut or the airbag was removed and he has owned the car from new (or from before its last safety inspection) then it's absolute child's play to get that any evidence relating to the state of the airbag dismissed before a jury even hears about it.

For example, he could have claimed to have been replacing the fuses and accidentally swapped the pertinent fuse with a burnt out one or removed it to put in place of another burnt out fuse (there are usually spares within the fuse box, he could claim to have made a mistake when swapping them).

>>137233494
no lol

>>137233889
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

http://www.tmwilsonlaw.com/criminal-law/self-defense#1

>The reasonable appearance that the use of force was justified is assessed from the subjective viewpoint of the defendant at the time he acted.5

>>137233720
The prosecution has all they need to show he was there to cause trouble.
Why was the airbag not deployed?
The only reason that would happen is if he planned to run people over at high speeds, and hence disabled the airbags to prevent them from getting in the way.
Thank goodness he crashed into cars instead of people, otherwise the fatalities would've been much higher.

>>137233285
It's true that he brakes at two points before he starts ramming into the crowd. But why didn't he back up when he was first hit on the back? The second argument - the pause he marked after he hit the two other cars - don't prove much, at least to me. Your theory is credible, but given the media circus do you think they'll pay attention to that? It's much more obvious to see the rest of it

>>137232430
>>137232779
Should change it to the alt-LGBTQ just to piss the fags off. I mean we call everybody fags already, including ourselves (newfag, oldfag, etc.), the news may actually fall for it being an off-shoot of radical faggots and then there would be all kinds of joyous strife.

>>137225993
if 1000 degrees that mean he was using oven

>>137233954
>And you know this how? You can see people throwing rocks and bottles at the car even before the crash.

you cant see any of that. regardless, you are not entitled to drive into people who have not attacked or threatened you as the crowd he drove into had not.

>>137234079
>The prosecution has all they need to show he was there to cause trouble.

And the baseball bat wielding mob wasn't?

>>137231484
>and perhaps even the very nature of Gibs themselves.

Kek'd.

>>137233993
lol'd

>>137227262
>The only footage I've seen of this so far is after he was accelerating away. It's also worth noting that if he really wanted to kill a lot of people he should have turned and slammed into the large crowds on the sidewalks instead of hitting the car in front of him.

This.

To be morbid, he didn't exactly seem to be making a 'great' effort to run a crowd down, and in fact he seemed to be just wanting to get through it.
Of course there's limited footage, and the MSM were never going to do anything but immediate place it at the feet of Trump, the Alt-Right, and basically it's ideological enemies, narrative in place.

>>137228099
Best HIT USA

>>137233973
lol you're claiming self-defence now, such pussies on the right

He'll cop a plea and do three to five, screencap this

>>137234079
>The prosecution has all they need to show he was there to cause trouble.
What, some videos that were taken as soon as he started running into people, ones that completely neglect the actual run up to the event, which is what decides if his actions were legal or not?

>The only reason that would happen is if he planned to run people over at high speeds, and hence disabled the airbags to prevent them from getting in the way.
Prove it.

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>>137234226
Killing commies always self defense though

>>137234097
>But why didn't he back up when he was first hit on the back?

It was a high stress situation and it makes sense that you'd want to put distance between yourself and the attackers. Reversing would temporarily bring them closer to the front of the vehicle where he was seated.

>>137226407
Thank you, pole anon.

Honestly, I don't think this guy is gonna do much prison time. During the time that he does do, I get the feeling that he'll be looked after by the brotherhood. He'll most likely plea to Involuntary and be out in 4 years.

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>>137234028
>>The reasonable appearance that the use of force was justified is assessed from the subjective viewpoint of the defendant at the time he acted.5

yes but what is reasonable and what is not is set by the courts.

>>137225790
He's charged with second degree murder and a whole bunch of assaults, he literally killed someone no way around it he's done, the best he could get is vehicular manslaughter, but highly doubt it.

>>137234226
No one on the right has been aggressive thus far, why would we want to be when we've smarter than opposition until this point. Now we're all shit tier

>>137229104
>What has been seen cannot be unseen

Thanks, buddy.

>hmm i'm a conservative gentleman concerned about becoming a minority in my own country
>in town today are lots of like-minded people putting on a show of numbers
>what shall i do? i know, i'll FUCKING RUIN EVERYTHING and make my views poisonous
I just don't buy it. I do not buy the idea that he intentionally went to a rally with a view to wreck his sweet car killing people and seriously damaging the nationalist movement. It's fair enough for Islamists, since the media bends over backward to defend Islam every time it happens. But nationalists don't have that privilege.

>>137233821
>dense part of the crowd
nigger he was on the road. If he wanted to hit the dense part of the crowd he would've drove on the sidewalk. He's going to get vehicular manslaughter though because his panic still killed someone.

wait, I thought it was some lefty who accidentally drove into the crowd thinking it was all rightists? who changed the narrative? I was hearing that some autists on here traced license plates and found this information out.

>>137225790
shit this kid dont look like smart man.

>>137234189
>And the baseball bat wielding mob wasn't?

doesnt matter if they were.

who cares about antifa? If 200 years ago would the city watch care if all the scum flooded the streets and a few got hurt? I think not.

>>137234097
He likely didn't go in reverse because he was already in drive. And the entire street was lined with people, not just in front of him but behind him. You can see them at 0:08 in the first video. Also, it's not certain he knew where the assault by the gray hoodie man came from, or what nature it was (for all he knew they were throwing bricks at him, how could he know? all he knew is he was surrounded by armed men who were angry with him for no justifiable reason).

The media gave Zimmerman no chance either. In fact, I remember when almost everyone judged him guilty well before his trial, until the facts started to come out. This will be the same thing.

>>137234226
Can't we just get along?

>>137229150
>On one hand you feel bad for the people who got hurt

Really? Keep this in mind: those people would have been cheering if he were on the ground getting his brain stomped in.

>>137234211
>To be morbid, he didn't exactly seem to be making a 'great' effort to run a crowd down, and in fact he seemed to be just wanting to get through it.

get through it by driving throught it?

you see youre not actually meant to do that, human bodies being fragile and all

>>137234371
I think you'll find the presence of a bat-wielding mob to lend a lot of weight to his self defense claim

>>137234312
What is reasonable and what isn't is determined by the jury.

>>137207265

>>137234168
Wrong. There are many cases of drivers being attacked by crowds and driving through the crowd without charges or being aquitted. But I guess a pussy britcuck like you wouldn't know about such things like defending yourself.

>>137234491
If you wanted to mow down a crowd then why would you crash into cars right in front of you?

>>137225790
Depends on how loud he yelled "Alluah akhbar!"

>>137229198
This dude will plea to vehicular manslaughter and be out in 4 years on community control. He'll be well cared for in prison by the Aryan Brotherhood.

>>137234516
>I think you'll find the presence of a bat-wielding mob to lend a lot of weight to his self defense claim

well not really, he had already killed someone when the bat appeared

His biggest problem is that the most obvious self defense moment is when he gets swarmed but any half decent prosecutor will argue that he provoked that attack by you know...smashing them with his car.

>>137233973
The crowd attacked him after he plowed into them. Anything that the crowd did to him *after* he drove into the crowd is 100% irrelevant, because they were acting in self-defense against a lethal threat.

It doesn't work both ways; if you try and shoot someone, they have the right to shoot you in the face. If you shoot at someone, they return fire, and then you kill them, you weren't "defending yourself" - because you initiated the situation, all of your actions are illegal.

You can only be acting in self defense after you do what is known as "regaining your innocence". So basically, if you attacked someone in a bar or whatever, then the fight ended, you walked outside, and the person you attacked in the bar followed you outside and started attacking you, at that point you might be acting in self defense (assuming, of course, that the conflict was not consensual - it if you could back out of the situation, and choose not to, instead you are engaging in a fight, in which case, *neither* party can claim self-defense).

Additionally, given he attacked a bunch of random people, even if it was found that he was attacked elsewhere, he'd still be culpable for his attack on all the random innocent bystanders - if someone shoots at you, and then you pull out an Uzi and mow down everyone on the street indiscriminately, you weren't acting in self-defense, even though lethal force against the person who attacked you might be legally okay, because the other people weren't involved.

>>137225790
So niggers attacked him and he runs over those niggers and homo ?

Sounds pretty reasonable for me.

Months of helicopter ride memes and then when finally one of your lot gathers the courage to actually kill a leftist you're all too faggot to own it

>>137234576
Also, why wouldn't you swerve? Lots of opportunities to trap people between the car and the buildings.

>>137226495

Fields he had a black friend !!
He dindu nothing.

>>137234609
But he was assaulted prior to the collision as well, as shown on video.

>>137234633
>The crowd attacked him after he plowed into them
You know all the facts. Case closed then.

One flaw in your verdict, though, is why would he fucking drive straight into some cars?

>>137234575
>Wrong. There are many cases of drivers being attacked by crowds and driving through the crowd without charges or being aquitted.

the crowd he hit had not attacked him. it was he who drove to them.

you can't intentionally kill innocent people and get away with it.

>>137234593
Thats the best option possible, highly doubt it, and stop talking about degenerate gangs here, those pieces of shit are run by a Jew, there for profit not pro white.

>>137234597
so bats just appear out of thin air now...like itsjust waits until justice needs to be served, and it appears in the hands of those in need?

>>137226216
>Generally my understanding is that first degree murder is premeditated, while second degree is some act of passion in the heat of a moment.
Generally any murder is premeditated except murder during commission of a felony and certain kinds of negligent homicide.

That's what separates it from voluntary manslaughter.

>>137226638
THIS.

>>137234724
>the crowd he hit had not attacked him

Wrong.

>>137231441
In the photos you can literally see a person at the wheel

>>137234724
>you can't intentionally kill innocent people and get away with it.
Sure you can, you just need the right jury.

Also lads, I'm not a driver. How easy is it to accidentally think you're in reverse?

>>137228099
Imagine the Lefty minds when they realized "OH GOD THE WHITE MEN ARE ACTUALLY FIGHTING BACK!" lol

The Saxon is beginning to hate. Things are gonna get interesting.

>>137234633
>Additionally, given he attacked a bunch of random people, even if it was found that he was attacked elsewhere, he'd still be culpable for his attack on all the random innocent bystanders

exacrly, i keep trying to explain this but they don't understand.

they think you can run over anyone you like as long as someone else attacked you

>>137234806
ask OJ, he will give you tips

> be me
>drive car to rally
>find road block by opposition protesters.
>decide to carry on driving through as this is a road and they should not be on it.
>expect to see them part like the red sea.
>Surpised to see manatee on road
>hit it. reverse back.
>think if i can hurry home i'll be able to post up on /pol/
> i never made it home.

>>137234642
Most of us just want peace and quiet.

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>>137233750

This is the case, Virginanon here

>>137226407
I would add that what they are charging would give wiggle room for conspiracy case/charges IRL

>>137234776
>>the crowd he hit had not attacked him
>Wrong.

none of them had. they were nowhere near him until he chose to go to them

>>137234393
>And the entire street was lined with people
In the front too, and the crowds appeared the be much denser there. Besides, he knew there would be demonstrators. So why even drive a car there in the first place? According to what we know he originally came to Cville for the UtR rally.
Also to get back on the first argument of speeding through. The street seems to grow rather thin near the end. It's like a bottleneck. Perhaps he used his brakes to avoid crashing on the side, given that as another anon noted you don't need to go very fast to break human bones

>>137234633
>>137234882
>Illegally blocking traffic
>Innocent bystanders
Oy vey

>>137234966
Wrong.

>>137234818
>How easy is it to accidentally think you're in reverse?
Not that hard. But he peeled out, which goes to intent.

>>137234882
>they think you can run over anyone you like as long as someone else attacked you

You literally can. I dont' recall a single case in a america where this hasn't legally backfired on the stupid cunts blocking the road.

>>137234966
Do you read the Guardian, friend?

>>137234719
If you see the various videos of the event, there's no way he could have actually seen the other cars before he plowed into the crowd; they weren't visible from up the street.

You can clearly see this in the video from the back of the crowd. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/08/12/charlottesville-crash-protesters-video-orig-vstop-dlewis.cnn/video/playlists/charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally/ Go to 33 seconds and watch the attack from behind. You can't see the cars in the crowd.

Dude was a dumbshit. He thought he could just blow through the crowd, he didn't realize that the cars were there at all until he smashed into them.

>>137230784
He could have reversed away from the crowd beforehand rather accelerating into it but he only chose to reverse afterwards. Looks premeditated

>>137235002
Denial.

>>137233991
ok I thought about it some more and I'd say it's
10% he gets off free
40% he takes a plea bargain
30% he gets convicted of a lesser crime
20% he's crucified

>>137233086
>retarded ideas on criminality
>just wants to play the fucking DINDU card for his new murdering hero
>it doesn't matter
this is why you sound like a retarded teenager faggot
keep saying it doesn't matter like a child
>if he was boxed in
but he wasn't anywhere near boxed in
he came all the way from ohio to larp
he could see all the way down the fucking street it was blocked ahead of him
he didn't stop, didn't slow down, took his time and made sure to plow right into ppl he didn't like.
he started assaulting others
someone throwing shit at his car is not an assault he is allowed to defend against as he is in no danger from garbage
if your life is not in danger, you are not allowed to assault people.
once he started hitting ppl with his car, he showed intent to murder, assaulting with a deadly weapon can kill u idiot
once he assaulted with intent to murder, literally everyone in the area can now KICK HIS FUCKING ASS FOR FREE AND KILL HIS STUPID FAGGOT ASS FOR FUCKING FREE in their self-defense for as long as they are being threatened with murder.

if you are so shitty at trolling that you have to assault ppl in your car to try and provoke a violent response, then when they attack you in self-defense, you already gave up your right to defend yourself by being an out-of-control deadly danger to everyone around you.

how stupid are you, kid, to not even think of shit like this?
fucking aussie faggot fucks
raised on a farm and don't know jack about criminal intent beyond trying to avoid getting caught.
piss off

>>137235028
there was a crowd of armed people behind him...they werent very far away since they got to the car fast after he stopped

>>137234966
exactly in that first clip he drives toward them, expecting them to do what? part and let him throw as he speeds towards them?

Nah he's going down.

>>137235166
I honestly I think this is all a good thing though this exposed who's who at least on a small scale
https://youtu.be/YyXMB3hrvVw
SO THIS IS THE POWER OF BAKED ALASKA^

>>137234999
>>Illegally blocking traffic
>>Innocent bystanders
>Oy vey

illegally blocking traffic means its ok to kill people, sure.

they were completely innocent in the context of the driver's crime in that they had not attacked him

>>137235035
Wrong. Stay salty.

>>137235087
You're having a bit of trouble with the chronology of the suggested chain of events..

>>137228099
Ii would be surprised if he wasn't charged with something though, really depends on how much attention this has and state attorney. In cases like this before, none involved a fatality, the driver was not charged.

I imagine he will get charged with involuntary manslaughter and not get convicted.

The big things are that his car as struck first, the crowd had weapons, and they were in the street.

>>137228853
yes and in cases like this that was enough. There have been a few where people have driven through unlawfully assembled protest crowds and over people, and a 2 that i can think of where a guy drove over some motorcyclists. In those cases there were no charges or charges were dropped.

>>137235072
you just bad at math son

>>137231027
They have to begin a campaign to donate to the family of the victims. Unfortunately, ecelebs are the only ones that understands their goals and has been making same positives statements about this movement, so this campaign will approach them to stay like that, because the media will mock any white identitarian 24/7 now.

>>137232116
depends what state but if someone is breaking into your house you can smoke them. if someone had a deadly weapon I.E. pipes, bats ect. you can defend yourself with deadly force. now if i shoot a guy and he goes down and then i dead check him (one shot to the head) then its murder because my life wasn't in danger at that moment

>>137235005
>>they think you can run over anyone you like as long as someone else attacked you
>You literally can. I dont' recall a single case in a america where this hasn't legally backfired on the stupid cunts blocking the road.


no you cant.

you are not entitled to intentionally kill people with your car because they violated a bylaw.

>>137228099
>https://archive.is/Vd4oV
Could be. The Antifa frauds hitting his car make his case that he feared for his life, and was just escaping.

The key would be footage of what was going on before the video that's released. If the rumors of Antifa surrounding his car and throwing rocks and brandishing weapons, he would walk - no jury would convict him. Hell, the DA might not even charge him if evidence like that exists.
There's a good chance security footage from local businesses exist of the incident, of the events before the incident. If they show him lining the car up, and then stomping on the gas - he's a dead man. If they show Antifa attacking him (which is a good bet, they caused the event to be shut down because they were chimping out), this story will quietly go away.
I'll be honest, I laugh every time I watch it. Liberals flying through the air is always funny. I'm sorry that girl died, but she put herself in a potentially dangerous situation, and...well, it got dangerous.
Now I'm gonna go look at the picture of liberal shoes exploding into the air, and laugh.

>>137234972
I mean, he's free to use any public street he wants. The demonstrators were the ones violating the law by obstructing traffic. There is a kind of blaming the victim mentality going on with this case. The driver had every right to drive a public street for whatever reason he wanted. Not only were the demonstrators blocking traffic, but they were dangerously obscuring two parked cars in the middle of the road, robbing drivers of vital information they need to navigate the street. The crowd was behaving so recklessly and dangerously that they were practically begging for an accident to happen.

>>137233540

Posts on 4chan aren't evidence, especially since the photos he's posting don't show the 'Middle-Eastern' gentleman he claimed to have seen.

>>137228853
I doesn't help though that he drove his car from a mile away into the crowd instead of trying to back of if he was scared of the antifa crowd.

>>137228099
STRIKE

>>137230382
Rush 4000+ pounds of steel that's faster than you, AFTER already seeing it used as a weapon... I'm pretty sure dudes question to you still stands, genius. Let me guess you'd rush someone killing people with a chainsaw or flamethrower too?

>>137235214
>they were completely innocent in the context of the driver's crime in that they had not attacked him
They were blocking his means to escape a group of people who were attacking him. That makes them an accessory to the people who were attacking him.

>>137225790
not a hard case, especially if he has proof of some sort of mood disorder like anxiety or something

antifa loves to attack cars with mobs, this happens wherever they show up

>>137229198
>opinions change when new facts appear

>>137235329
Tell it to the judge, cuck. Legally you can run over people blocking your escape.

>>137235005
Wrong.

In a situation where a violent mob descends on your car, it is legal to drive through them - that's an entirely reasonable thing to do.

The problem is, that isn't the situation here - he deliberately plows into the crowd from behind, which is clearly visible in the view of the attack from the rear (there was someone up the street who dodged his car who filmed him driving through/into the crowd in front).

Thus, because he initiated the situation, he's 100% at fault. You do not have the right to randomly run into people in the road; you are legally obligated to avoid any collision on the road, even if the other person is jaywalking or otherwise is where they don't belong.

Deliberately driving into people who are in the street is manslaughter or murder, depending on the situation. It doesn't matter if the person is there legally or not.

The only situation in which you can legally strike someone with your car is when you are defending yourself from them. However, that is not the case here because he deliberately drove into the crowd, thus starting the conflict - if you attack someone, you cannot claim self-defense against their subsequent actions. In other words, if you shoot at someone, they shoot back, then you kill them, you weren't defending yourself, you committed murder.

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>>137225790
HE IS GOING TO BE FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A HUNDRED NIGGERS THATS WHAT

>>137234954
>virginanon
something tells me you didnt think this phrase through :thinking:

>>137234776
>>137235002
>>137235219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_orKYk_Q28E

Watch the video, there's no-one around the car for like 2 blocks. He drove straight into a crowd when there were side streets he could have easily gone down instead.

Later in the video people are seen running from where the car was but I'm pretty sure that's just people running to help out at the fucking bloodbath that the dodgecuck just caused.

>>137225993
2nd degree will most likely not stick.Any defene attorney going through the video can see evidence that he was attacked before the event based on how the car was chased as it ent forward. Everybody was scattering out of the road but not more than 2 seconds later you had a group of 6-7 people in a close knit group coming on screen chasing him with weapons. This shows they formed before the crash and were continuing pursuit together.

>>137235354
>I mean, he's free to use any public street he wants. The demonstrators were the ones violating the law by obstructing traffic.

so you go a different way or stop and call the police.

you dont fucking run them over.

>>137235354
>The crowd was behaving so recklessly and dangerously that they were practically begging for an accident to happen.
You could only accuse the people at the front of the crowd of blocking traffic. Everyone else is just trying to get through just like you're claiming the driver was legally. He mowed down a bunch of innocent bystanders by your own logic.

>>137229642
There is a black woman on his hood, right after the car is stopped by crashing into the other one. I'm thinking that was the death, or the blonde on the hood with her - I think her head broke the windshield, but it looked like she was moving.
If it was the black woman, it's gonna be a bloody fall, because they won't listen to reason, even when they're not being lied to by the press.

>>137235441
Somehow those two cars in front of him weren't being attacked. Really activates by almonds. Cearly antifa is violent towards cars.

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>>137235139
They wouldn't have been there if he hadn't accelerated into the situation but had instead reversed away from it which he was evidently sufficiently mindful to do afterwards.

>>137235514
You keep purposefully missing the point. He didn't intend to run them over UNTIL he was attacked by the mob, at which point he panicked and attempted to flee to safety. His quickest means of escape was obviously forward. But there were lawbreakers obstructing his escape. That's their problem. That's why there is a law against what they are doing. To avoid the sort of thing that happened to them.

>>137225790
tldr, do we know his political orientation?

>>137235354
So I take it there were no permits for the demonstration? Yeah, that's a valid argument. But if we take that he was right to use the street as he pleased, AND that he was right to flee/defend himself from the dude who banged the bottom of his car, then what to make of the casualties he provoked down the road? That would still be unvoluntary manslaughter

>>137235470
i concur. These other faggots this he'll zimzam up, but this faggot will a proper Antifa scalp.

He played right into the hands of the left.

>>137233378
But the cameras, in that place and at that time, are all in the hands of leftists and multikultis.
So don't expect anyone to release pictures of what happened before the happening. It wouldn't look good for '''them'''. Keep in mind, that so far, when violence happens at protests/marches the leftists instigated in 100 percent of the cases. Not in the headlines of course, but if you you wait a few days there's always a recant buried on page 6 admitting that the headline about violent right wingers was wrong and that they were actually attacked by masked mystery people.

>>137225790
Murder charges. As for the rest of us? Terrorism laws just multiplied by 10.

>>137235514
>thinking his car wasn't surrounded when he got in it and he had any path to go
please don't be a retardabog

>>137235645
His quickest means of escape were the unobstructed side streets to hie left and right that he drove straight past in order to sufficiently crash into people.

>>137231354
Time served and a long ass probation. He'll never step foot in a prison. That's my bet.

>>137235533
They were not innocent, they were violating the law. And he only mowed them down because (a) he was attacked and fleeing to safety, and (b) they were illegally obstructing his most readily apparent means of escape (and obscuring a parked car, to boot).

>>137235645
>You keep purposefully missing the point. He didn't intend to run them over UNTIL he was attacked by the mob, at which point he panicked and attempted to flee to safety

he was not meaningfully attacked by anyone until he had hit and killed someone