The 88 problem

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>>137202994

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fags like you who are scared to own up to what you believe in are only making this worse.

>>137203513
Who's scared to own up to what they believe? I like white people and want to protect their future, I just don't like fucking Nazis.

>>137202994

Hitler was a failure.

>>137202994
>Master race.
>Blame Jews for losing WW1.
>Take power again.
>Can't kill all the Jews. Waste huge amount of resources trying to.
>Can't even beat England.
>Lose in Africa
>Can't even control italy. swapsides.gif
>Proceed to lose rest of Italy
>Have to build submarines because the surface navy is non-existent.
>Millions of master race encircled & killed by Soviets
>Western front armies scattered to the wind by America.
>Master race leader kills himself.
>Now represented by inbred country hicks and fat internet losers.

The Master Race.

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>>137202994
>>137203111
>>137204271
You can go full 14 without any belief in 88.
But everyone will call you 88.
You will never lose 88.
14 is 88.

>>137203665
Finally someone that shares my sentiments. I'm glad I'm not alone in liking being white and liking white people but hate nazis and anyone that sucks hitlers dick.

>>137204537
Yeah, they also sent Lenin to Russia in order to try to damage the Russian war effort, then after the war they tried to scare everybody by talking about the Bolshevik menace. Fuckin a.

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>>137204763

THIS

>>137204763
I've had people call me 88 before for saying that it made sense for whites to consider their future in a world that's increasingly non-white. It's ok, though, I don't care if people call me 88. What matters to me is that I don't think the Nazis had the right idea or the right methods.

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>>137205149

14 automatically leads to 88.

If you think you can play by democratic rules and save this for us you are delusional or your faith is not strong enough.

>>137205543
You like authoritarianism but let me guess, you probably complain in other threads about how your government makes it illegal to discuss certain things. If the Nazis were in charge, there would be a lot more things it would be illegal to discuss. This site wouldn't exist, even though there are so many Nazis here. The Nazis would still consider it too much like free-thinking. Half your friends would probably get bullets in the back of the head.
14 without 88 doesn't necessarily mean always being idealistic at the cost of pragmatism. It just means not being a Nazi and more generally, not valuing collectivist totalitarianism.

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>>137205937

>not realizing that a lot of NatSocs were libertarian before like me
>not realizing that there is an ideological bridge
>not realizing that your little freedums are not as important as continuing to exist
>not realizing that being NatSoc does not mean to re-LARP 33-45
>thinking you know what "the nazis" think

Which Nazis? Me?

Libertarianism allowed the US to become corrupted by jews and to become 56% white.

Everyone is part of a collective by birth. Straight European men. You are (I suppose) part of this one. There wont be freedom for you if that collective is exterminated.

Hitler was the worst of the 20th century fascists anyways, Franco was relativity successful and even mussolini probably would have had lingered on if he hadn't chosen the wrong side.

>>137207331

Yes. I mean just look at Spain now. Free from degeneracy and leftism and jewish influence.

Not attacking the eternal enemy is the true redpill amirite, Chaim?

>>137207566
Yeah, spain isn't even close to your shithole, france or britain.

>>137207657

You know why that is? Because their economy sucks because leftist have ruined it already.

You are not even able to see the big picture.

>>137206650
The jews were around even before liberalism doing their dirty tricks. Liberalism/libertarianism isnt key to jewish control, communism was and now zionism and (((victim))) hood is.

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>>137202994
>oy vey goyim it's not ((((((((us)))))))) at fault for your destruction, it's those ebil nadzees that ((((((((we)))))))) violently suppressed
>don't pay attention to the (((kalergi))), (((hooton))) or (((morgenthau))) plans goy, only the germans are at fault for their annihilation
Fucking cuckchan, I swear.

>>137208291

No but Libertarianism can't defent against jewish infiltration. Since that requires collectivism.

>>137205543
If an ideology requires faith to follow it, it will be probably based on false pretenses.

>>137206650
Oh please, as if you've tried every peaceful option and were forced to turn to espousing violent totalitarianism by necessity. Don't give me that bullshit.
Also, zero NatSocs were ever libertarian. There were, however, a bunch of people who, obviously, never really understood libertarianism and were Nazi all along. Then when they came across someone who articulated their true feelings, they realized that they were Nazis and not libertarians.

>>137208719
Or simply intelligence. You're basically saying "several hundred million white people are too stupid to resist the desires of 15 million Jews without turning into collectivists in order to do it".

>>137208818

So you are an atheist?

>>137209058

>>Oh please, as if you've tried every peaceful option and were forced to turn to espousing violent totalitarianism by necessity. Don't give me that bullshit.

>Jewish-bolshevist terror didnt exist
>bolshevist superstate building up next to you didnt exist
>government and judges/lawyers werent filled with jews
>media is not in jewish hands
>implying an enemy whose goal is to make you disappear will treat you fairly

you know what I am getting from you? That we should not attack the jews. You know who would say that? x)

>>Also, zero NatSocs were ever libertaria

>let me tell you about your life

>>137209269

"Lmao a 190 pund, 6'5" guy cant even resist an bacterial infect? Haha don't take that anti-biotics haha lel"

>>137209269
History has shown us that free press, capitalist society and democracy are dangerous tools against white people by the hands of Jews. You're not "turning into" collectivists, it's not a disease, you're just organizing in a way in which you are much less vulnerable to subversion and degeneration.

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>>137210426

bump for more lolbert humiliation

>>137210426
Free press, capitalist society, and democracy are some of white people's greatest achievements. I think there are ways to succeed and protect white people that don't involve turning back into animals.

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>>137212596

>press is free when its owned to 90% by one international clique
>j-just dont attack u.. the jews, you are civilized right haha? Maybe you could do a protest or something just dont be antisemitic :)


Too obvious you dirty rat

There is no denying that external forces are working against white people

>>137212775
Free press doesn't mean every race gets a proportional level of ownership of media companies. It means the government won't try to stop you from saying whatever you want to say. I know in Germany you don't have perfect free speech. I wish it was different and the laws against supporting Nazism were repealed. However, in the US I do have virtually total free speech. Not consequence-free speech, but that's a different matter.

I don't think you can consistently believe 14 without 88 honestly.

If you believe whites as a group have rights and don't merely exist to be bossed around and bullied by the globalist establishment then you necessarily believe the same thing about particular groups of whites, like Germans.

Honestly the only way you can believe 14 without 88 is if you buy into retarded easily disproven myths like "Hitler started WW2" or "the holocaust happened." Hitler was a man of peace.

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>>137212596
>Free press
read: kikes own the newspapers
>capitalist society
read: kikes own the shekels
>democracy
read: kikes own the politicians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViN7rzPuXq8

>>137212596
Yes, extermination of all non white elements in white nations. But as long as there are minorities in your nations, you aren't safe in the long run - those systems are very comfortable to co opt and poison, just like is happening today - a jew media that attacks unity in order to protect the minority, that divides in order to control the flow of democracy, and so on.
Extermination is not inhumane. I am not a monster for poisoning the cockroaches and rats in my apartment, I do it out of necessity and for the well being of my family. It's all pretty simple and most importantly there is no other way.

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>>137213048

Your free speech is a fig leaf. Do you think jews are stupid? Free speech means nothing when you control all of the media and publications but they knew if they were pushing too hard on this issue they might wake up some goyim so they rather strangle the American nation by slowly changing the demographics and then they will take it away.
Which again demonstrates how utterly useless and dangerous democracy is in regards to defending Europeans.

I do not agree with national socialists on much
Though George Lincoln Rockwell was a great speaker as was uncle a.
But I also won't counter signal against anyone who is to my right.
Not goin to happen

>>137213453
You seem to have an extremely low opinion of whites to think that 5 million Jews control 200 million whites. That's practically like "British in 19th century India" population disparity, and without a technological advantage even.

>>137213690

hmm

>>137209739
>>137209739
>>137209739

>>137206650
How totalitarian do you want your society to be? Are you gonna start policing free speech? Put cameras in people's bedrooms? What are we getting at here? Because if that's the case then I'd rather not save the white race.

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>>137213524

>>137213690
70 years of hard work, demonizing white self determination through nazism, shutting down any criticism via guilt and growing generations upon generations of self hating whites to put sticks in their own wheels. Nothing surprising about this, just a successful psy war that could have been easily avoided with a little lynching and a lot of segregation.

>>137206650
So my two options here are death and slavery? I'll choose death, thank you very much.

>>137202994
The one thing that the retards on this board don't understand is that you very seldom get NEW ideas. You get the same old ideas coming up again and again, but "baptised" in New language. So, for example, Marxism is alive and kicking. But now, it goes by names like "social justice" and "universal basic income." Only the stupidest and most autistic people still argue for "communism" and the "workers of the world."

That's what you have here... instead of being smart enough to "baptise" white supremacy in new language and to "rebrand" it, you have these knuckle-dragging idiots waving swastika flags and "heiling" a guy who has been dead for half a century.

>>137214089
You're talking out of your ass. That anon said nothing about fucking cameras in bedrooms. Just keep your dumb mouth shut when you have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>137202994
>19th century
>mostly peace and prosperity.
wew lad

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>>137214089

>How totalitarian do you want your society to be?

You do realize that we undertake this measures out of necessity and now because we ware the cartoon villains from your propaganda movies, dont you?

>Are you gonna start policing free speech?

Yes.

> Put cameras in people's bedrooms?

No.

> What are we getting at here?

Exterminating any subversive and enemy element withing society that is dangerous enough to endanger us as a whole. Punishing traitors for what they have done.
Securing our nations till we have recovered demographically and spiritually and we can be more lenient again.

>Because if that's the case then I'd rather not save the white race.

Wenn than look forward to having as many rights as white Rhodesians.

>>137204796
Kys goy

>>137214300
Well, when you support NatSoc, you support a regime that literally murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on. I'd say that if they did that, they'd probably have no issue with putting a camera in your bathroom, either.

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>>137214209

>freedom means what degenerate choices I can make today and how reckless I can behave
>I hate long term thinking as well
> I would rather fight people who want to supress the enemies of my own people just to keep a system where I get fired for speaking in support of my people

Your brain on lolbertarianism: the post

>>137214413
getting chills looking at this pic and realizing this shit is actually starting to go down.

>>137214209
Is there slavery in having a responsibility to your mother and father, for example? How about your brothers and sisters? Grandparents? You didn't choose any of them.
The European peoples are an extended part of your family, they are your cultural and biological kin, whether you like it or not. If you'd rather die than to fulfill your responsibilities towards keeping your own family safe and assuring it's future is secure, you deserve to.

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>>137213690
Holy shit, are you bluepilled. Jewish control is a fact, it's not even an issue of superiority and inferiority. A minority of Jews can control whites because there is no collective identity that holds whites together and strong against the usurious Jewish spirit, because they've suppressed it from their consciousness through white guilt and muh six gorillion. Hitler could easily cleanse his country of Jewish influence because of the awareness of his people, but the eternal Jew still violently suppressed the Third Reich from outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiiiUkGFvh8

>>137214209
And yet you're choosing slavery to kikes.

>>137213524
>muh Utopian society can only be achieved through genocide, so it's totally worth every drop of blood
Fuck off Jew, your Utopia will crumble eventually no matter how perfect it is on paper.

>>137212596
No they aren't. The world has gone to shit since the enlightenment.

>>137214625
>There's no way to protect the white race without becoming a sociopath.
>Whites are so weak that they are in danger of extinction at the hands of 15 million Jews and the only way to stop this is to worship a dead autist with a bad haircut.
Your brain on Nazism

>>137214413

*not instead of now

*well indstead of Wenn

>>137214791
I feel responsibility for my mother and father because I've known them all my life and feel a personal attachment to them. I feel no responsibility towards someone I never met and have no personal attachment to. Boogie2988 can go to hell, I ain't paying for his healthcare even if he's my fellow European.

>>137214615
>Well, when you support NatSoc, you support a regime that literally murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on.

Yeah and don't forget the sixty million Jewish children personally slain by Hitler wielding a machete.

Not only would they put cameras in your bedroom, they'd probably install explosive collars around your neck. Those mean old evil Nazis!

>>137214791
Somebody should have told Hitler that before he murdered millions of Europeans.

>>137215156
All the things I wrote about actually happened. Are you seriously going to dispute that the Nazis murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on?

>>137209269
The Jews are already collected. If we aren't well just be played against each other. Organized always beats organized.

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>>137214106
I'm glad that you're amused mate. >>137214805
OK, so banishment if extermination hurts your feelings. Without hegemony you are not a nation, just a territory with arbitrary culture and traditions that will die and be replaced with a couple dozen years. It's not utopia, it's the literal minimum standard, and every nation follows it except for white ones.

>>137214969
Nice strawman brainlet.

>>137215157
>Hitler
It's spelled A-l-l-i-e-s

>>137214702

Of course it is. It is inevitable. It is victory or death as it has always been. Europe and the US will look like Rhodesia with more ethnicites involved, the world will turn dark and we will be forgotten. No save game, no respawn. That is if we remain silent.

>>137214805

>calling others jews to distract form your own jewishness

absolutely jewish

>>137214969

>treating unequals unequal is sociapathy
>acknowledging nature is sociapathy
>whites are weak whites are bad. What? Whites want to be strong and fight the attacker? Dont do that whites.

If you attempt to troll you should at least understand the subjects you are trolling on

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>>137202994
This I really hope the degenerate neo-nazis fuck off or realize they need to clean and shape up.

>>137215157
Defending your nation when other nations declare war on you is not murder.

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>implying milquetoast faggots have any control over natsocs

>>137214969
>gnadzees were sociopaths goy
Do you get all your opinions about national socialism from wartime Disney cartoons?

>>137215135
He wouldn't grow fat in the first place in a national socialist society. He's a necessary consequence of capitalism and its individualistic, solipsistic, materialistic hedonism.

>>137215256
Extermination literally means banishment by the way. ex-terminus = out-boundary. It's another kike word game.

>>137214625
How many fucking Nazi photos do you have saved on your computer you goddamn autist?

Also, have fun trying to win over the support of the people when you're dragging them into the street for suspected treason over a joke they made online. You're gonna have an uprising unless you go full Commie and start taking away people's gun rights, thereby turning the people into slaves. The white race will starve to death at the hands of the 1% instead of being saved.

OP is right

>>137215256

You are probably using a proxy; if not are you a Zionist or a Palestinian?

>>137215406
>calling others jews to distract form your own jewishness
Nigger look at his flag.

>>137204763
>You can go full 14 without any belief in 88.
you can be full 14 without knowing who Hitler or what National Socialism was

>>137204763
>Someone called me a faggot, might as well start sucking cock.

This is what you sound like.

>>137215603
How do any of you think we ended up in this position in the first place?

>>137215135
Throughout history Europeans have bled and died for you as well as for that fat ass youtuber, and you both have a responsibility to your blood. I really do feel bad for you if you think this is slavery, and modern society is not.

>>137215396
Yeah, the Allies killed millions of Europeans. Are you going to argue that Hitler didn't?
>>137215406
Treating a man as unequal to me isn't sociopathy
Killing the man because I am so convinced of the accuracy of my political and historical theories that I abandon human decency is sociopathy.
Besides, if the Jews really are as powerful as Nazis think they are, then I guess the inequality points in the favor of the Jews.

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>>137215507

>tfw leftypol tries to LARP as a lolbert but does a horrible job

You have been found out

>>137215466
>Defending your nation when other nations declare war on you for attacking a nation they have made a military pact with
You forgot a part

>>137214413
I would rather be speaking german now, than speak Arabic in 30 years

>>137215498
Even aside from the Boogie example, there are some whites I fucking despise. The white race isn't infallible, there's gonna be shitty people in every faction. And letting yourself be forced to prop up someone you can't stand is ultimate cuckoldry.

>>137215722
bullshit dude,

I'm not saying NS is 100% uber wrong but OP is dead fucking right

>>137215835
>a military pact that was made last minute
you forgot a part

>>137215784
>ad-hominem instead of providing a counterargument
checks out

>>137215498
Whatever, no murder is required, although I do think that it'd be better to get it over with.
>>137215586
"Zionist" by necessity, because I'm a citizen and I want myself and my loved ones to survive, but in reality I dislike both sides. False dichotomy and whatnot

>>137214625
Adolph Hitler directly caused the war that led to the highest white death toll in history.

>>137215975
>after Germany had swallowed Czechoslovakia against most of its people's wishes, all while complaining about the supposed wishes of ethnic Germans
you forgot another part

>>137215967
That's the literal definition of cucking. I don't care though, you people don't deserve to be saved.

>>137216099
>moving the goal posts

>>137215746
This "responsibility" you're trying to sell to me seems like a totally arbitrary thing that nobody would've felt before coming to a place like this. Most people don't feel indebted to people they've never met or had no relation to. Your arguments are bullshit.

>>137215835
No I actually didn't forget a part at all. I could debate you at length about the injustice of the war against Germany by UK and France but it will suffice to say that war is not murder. Germany is not responsible for the foolish and unjust guarantees the Allies made which led to countless deaths.

>>137215768
I'm going to argue that Hitler wasn't the one who dragged the war to be WW2. You're saying it as if he just decided to kill euros, while in reality it was just some border dispute with Poland, more or less.

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>>137216075

Sure m8

>>137216048

Interesting how being confronted with harsh reality brings you towards NatSoc, isn't it?

>>137216012

Counter arguments require argument to be made in the first place

>>137215897

That was not even the plan. We never planned to "conquer the world and force everybody to speak German and Heil Hitler 20 times a day" this is a cartoonish meme right out of allied Propaganda.

We would have something like a protectionist EU with a NatSoc Germany united with Flanders, Netherlands, Austria, and maybe the nordic countries being the dominant power but no degeneracy and replacement. That was the plan basically.

The US, if it stayed out of the war, would have remained completely unharmed and so would Britain. Same goes for France if they didnt declare war.

>>137215768

>Self defense is sociapathy
>goy stop relying on your natural instincts

You may stop now

>>137216619
I'm white as snow, and my natural instincts are obviously rather different from yours.

>>137216318
If you think that you can build your desired society with non whites, you are an idiot, plain and simple. It wouldn't be the first time that tribalism takes over for the sake of self preservation, and I believe you'll stand by your racial kin when the time comes.

>>137216619
No joke, it really is.

>>137216619
Dat Reddit style double line spacing... Could you make it anymore obvious?

>>137216752

>I-Im white! Now let me continue counter signaling the survival of Europeans

>>137217045

A lack of realism is prevalent in our current societies. Also making the exception the rule and so on. I think a hard reset will come

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>>137217280

>wanting your post to be easily readable by anyone means you are from reddit
>leaf

>>137216619
>Counter arguments require argument to be made in the first place
Read my post. My argument is how are you going to ensure that people are going to be happy enough under totalitarian rule that they won't reject authority and revolt? If people feel like they're constantly walking on eggshells trying to suppress what they think and feel, chances are it won't end up well. Like I said, the best solution to this problem would be to take away their guns, in which case you've become communists instead of national socialists.

>>137217510

>House burning
>Dude, I mean like, I want to put out the fire and save us all and stuff as well but you know.. just down use water or the fire extinguisher man. Lets just keep the status quo I mean I just dont agree with your methods. Mabye you should talk to the fire you first you fucking sociopath

>>137216619
>That was not even the plan. We never planned to "conquer the world and force everybody to speak German and Heil Hitler 20 times a day" this is a cartoonish meme right out of allied Propaganda.
>We would have something like a protectionist EU with a NatSoc Germany united with Flanders, Netherlands, Austria, and maybe the nordic countries being the dominant power but no degeneracy and replacement. That was the plan basically.
>The US, if it stayed out of the war, would have remained completely unharmed and so would Britain. Same goes for France if they didnt declare war.
Of course, of course... but you would have been fine with enslaving and exterminating millions of Slavs. Back then, you would have. Nowadays, you like Slavs. You see them as your white brothers. Hmm... strange that only 70 years ago you seemed to have no problem exterminating most of them and replacing them with German farmers.
>>137217310
I don't disagree with the goal. I disagree with the methods. But distinctions are not your forte.

>>137216619
What about all the stolen wealth and the fact that hitler actually did want to rule the whole world

>>137217641

You know, unlike you I have relatives who I talked to and read their biographies and they never felt like wlaking on eggshells.

Maybe the Third Reich was not as what Hollywood depicts it as ?

>>137202994

Hitler was a mistake, nazi germany a failure. National socialism is a cancer just like communism.

National socialists are angry little men.

Civic nationalism is the only way forward.

>>137218033
Do you deny that the Third Reich killed mentally ill people?
Do you deny that the Third Reich killed ethnically pure Germans who had differing political opinions?
Do you deny that the Third Reich killed Rommel and Stauffenberg for trying to end a hopeless war early?
Do you deny that the Third Reich turned on its own political allies and betrayed them to their deaths in the Night of the Long Knives?

>>137217807

What about the children in your basement and the fact that you are an enormous faggot? :o

>>137217790

>exterminating millions of Slavs.
>Generalplan Ost was real

Show me the documents please

>Nowadays, you like Slavs.

If you say so it must be true

>>137218033
Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing. I'm 100% sure there were plenty of people who were unhappy under NatSoc rule. Moreover, you can mock me with muh freedumbs all you want, but I assure you most people won't be happy about being forced to relinquish their porn, music, and vidya.

>>137218033
Also >>137218222. Remember we're doing this for the white race, not the German race. Do you think Greeks and Slavs will be willing to subscribe to a system that very nearly slaughtered and enslaved them just less than a century ago? What do you think National Socialism represents to them?

>>137218222

>Do you deny that the Third Reich killed mentally ill people?

No. Do you deny that a lot of democracies had Eugenics programs in place as well?

>Do you deny that the Third Reich killed ethnically pure Germans who had differing political opinions?

Of course not. Purity is not just physically its also a spiritual thing.

>Do you deny that the Third Reich killed Rommel and Stauffenberg for trying to end a hopeless war early?

Of course they did. Stauffenberg was a coward, who could have just shot Hitler instead of killing a lot of his close friends and trusted coworkers with a bomb. Rommel was a tragedy.

Do I agree with their goals? No. They were traitors (Stauffenberg). The Allies made it clear that they would never want peace with Germany so there was not even a point in their actions. They wanted to erect a military dictatorship as well you said you were against.

>Do you deny that the Third Reich turned on its own political allies and betrayed them to their deaths in the Night of the Long Knives?

Night of the long knives was a sad event but unfortunately kind of necessary in some way. I dont agree with some of the killings. But there was the danger of the military making a coup which would mean no NatSoc and going back to cuckservative monarchy at best.

>>137218461

I am 100% sure there are more people unhappy under democratic rule.

What now?

> happy about being forced to relinquish their porn, music, and vidya.
>addicts are not happy about taking away their drugs

oyy

>>137203111
The 14 words aka white trash skinhead neo-nazi shit is holding true natsoc down.
Natsoc has been Co-opted for decades by weary kikes.

>>137218225
Even if by some chance Generalplan Ost was not real, I don't see how you can deny that the Nazis treated the people of the Soviet Union (already fucked over by Stalin) with barbarity. Hell, if the Nazis had actually come as liberators they might have won enough people over to win the war. But they didn't.
>If you say so it must be true
Maybe you don't. A lot of Nazis do, though. They finally decided that Slavs are white, too. Or wait a minute... maybe that's just for now, and Slavs will be exterminated whenever convenient if the Nazis succeed. After all, Nazis never have any problem with betraying their own allies and killing them, even though they talk about honor all the time.

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>>137218804
Ah, so now I understand why everyone was happy under Nazi Germany. It's because they fucking murdered everyone who wasn't happy.

Thanks for clearing that up. It all makes sense now.

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>>137218225
Ok you are right about "Enormous Faggot" but i dont remember having children in my basement, what in the actual fuck :o

>>137218898
Problem is you're dealing with an entire race of addicts. Imagine how quickly this board would disavow Nazism if they learned that they would have to give up their anime and vidya. The support would reduce to maybe a quarter of its original size.

>>137215718
Missing the point. If you have a problem with ns ideas, then no worries. The argument I'm seeing against Nazis that it creates bad optics. The point is that optics don't matter with the people we're up against. They're gonna call you Hitler if you're a moderate who only wants the borders closed. By disavowing natsocs you're only thinning your herd with no actual gain.

>>137218222
>Mentally ill
Sorry mate, but that's really doing them and their families a kindness. This moralist stance on protecting the mentally disabled makes you sound good but logically they are a huge net loss with a lot of resources going in and hardly anything being returned.
>Different political opinions
That depends. I have no problem seeing communists slaughtered. Social democrats and the like were sent to camps where they were forced to work.
>Rommel and Stauffenberg
I feel sorry for Rommel but fuck Stauffenberg. He was a Prussian elitist who disliked Hitler's meritocratic policies because he was used to getting whatever he wanted on the basis of his class. He was literally told by the allies that they would accept nothing but unconditional surrender. He planned to sell his country to the dogs. Fuck him.
>Night of the Long Knives
There were rumors that a plot was being staged to coup Hitler and the SA kept interfering with the relationship between Hitler and the army. Rohm was a homosexual as well so nothing of value was really lost.

>>137215718
Only a canacuck would make an analogy like that

>>137219407
>They're gonna call you Hitler if you're a moderate who only wants the borders closed.

Yah, but when they call people like that 'Nazis' it ultimately makes the left look like retards to the general populace.

When they call Unite The Right a bunch of Nazis and have a bunch of photos of people decked out in swastikas like a bunch of shitty historical reenactors it makes the left look like heroes.

>>137202994
The kikes have three commandments among their many in the Leviticus that demand the extermination of "Amalek". The Gaon of Vilna, still considered one of the most influential rabbis of all time, is believed to have first declared Germans Amalekites. The Grand Rabbi Chaim Sonnenfeld of Jerusalem reiterated this claim when Kaiser Wilhelm tried to open a church in Jerusalem, citing the Gaon as his "teacher". And promptly the English-speaking world explodes into this psychopathic hatred for Germans, having all the stuff their precious kikes get up to when in power presented to them as what the same kikes have supposedly suffered. Cue the World Wars, the Bavarian Soviet, the Soviet Soviet, Hooton, Morgenthau, Kaufman...

I mean, we really only defended ourselves from the Entente and the paid pawns in its leadership. All that world domination bullshit is Talmudist projection, as are the genocidal ambitions. We wanted to not play host to a nation of people that explicitly want us exterminated, that's all there is. You Western tards made it more than that so as to make our extermination look justified (and cover up the fact that you were the ones planning it), just as you always read so much shit into what your media tells you - but reading the actual books that compose the cultures you're supposedly protecting and demand us to be tolerant of is still too much to ask. That's the much bigger "What the fuck" right there.

>>137219407
To me, the Nazi version of existence sounds like a nightmare. I'll fight to protect white people from destruction, but I'm going to do everything in my power to avoid becoming a Nazi in the process. Saving the white race and giving it over to Nazis would be like surviving getting shot but then having to get half your organs transplanted and being a cripple.

>>137219929
>muh PR

>>137219835
What counts as a mental illness worthy of execution? Autism? Homosexuality? Bipolar disorder? If that's the case then half this board's getting gassed. Like I said, it all seems so arbitrary.

>>137213282
>dictators of peace

Your no better than progressives

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>>137202994
Nazshits are just whites who were bullied, and their political views settled while they were in their edgy teen faze.

>>137220096
Yah, fuck creating a proper viable movement. Muh Nazi larping is waaaaaay more important.

>>137220096
"Muh PR" won Donald Trump the presidency.

>>137202994
>i want to do the right thing, but i dont want to face any consequences
inspiring OP

>>137213524
Or you could just catch them and let them out.

88 is gay
14 is proper

>>137203111
This
>>137204763
Not here though, only in the west
Be whatever-nationalist here? All is good. Like Hitler? To the dentist with you.

>>137220057
Tell me honestly why you believe that the NS version of existence would be a nightmare. I mean, Germany at the time wasn't a totalitarian state, Hitler described it as authoritarian. Is it the secret police? Because in 1944 the ratio of Gestapo to citizens was almost 2 officers for every ten thousand people. Is it the economics? NS economics worked just find despite what others tell you, read up about it more, you may be surprised. Was it silencing of opinions? You're not getting killed for having a different political opinion but really, in a state that that does so much to make your life comfortable with a strong sense of security and hope for the future, what reason would you have to turn to any other ideology, especially when you see the results today of unbridled individualism, unrestricted capitalism and tactical nihilism? And finally, NS is not the same in every country it's applied in. American NS would never look like German NS and Hitler wouldn't want it to. He said his ideology is not for exportation. Germany is traditionally authoritarian and anti liberal hence why it took that form in its NS stage. In America NS would look more individualistic and have a greater emphasis on liberty and freedom.

>>137220535
Sure, why not. It's not a good long run solution but I it makes you feel better it's a viable short-term one.
That said, pitying rats who are fellow mammals I understand, but when was the last time you showed such mercy to insects? I think you get what I'm trying to say.

>>137220820
It was a totalitarian state. The Nazis inserted themselves into every aspect of society, trying to control how science was being done (which helped fuck them over in the race to get nukes), what kind of art should be created, how many people should be farmers, whether your mentally ill cousin would live or be murdered by state thugs, and so on. They killed their political opponents without trial or after brief rubber stamp trials and often used torture.
>especially when you see the results today of unbridled individualism, unrestricted capitalism and tactical nihilism
I do see the results, and they are vastly preferable to the results of Nazism. Nazism is Stalinism with a different mustache.

>>137220820
How could you ever possibly guarantee that NS in America would have a bigger emphasis on freedom? Also I thought the Nazis did kill dissidents and the mentally ill, or at least the Nazi fanatic ITT admitted that they did. Sounds pretty totalitarian to me.

>>137220298
>a proper viable movement
Be specific, how's that going to work without compromising on every core issue?

>>137202994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

>>137221431
I didn't realize just asking LARPing faggots to leave their swastikas and Hitler dildos at home when they rally and organize is 'compromising on every core issue'.

>>137221679
So your whole problem is with the aesthetic?

What happens when you mention your views and then inevitably get compared to Hitler/called a nazi regardless of aesthetic?

>>137221905
Distinct and different movements can share beliefs. There's no need to hold on to your Nazi security blanket. Let's maybe try to move into the 21st century here.

>>137221905
backpedaling and impotent accusations of course

>>137221905
I prove to the general public that I'm not a Nazi? That's what the guy who Carl the Cuck and Aids Skrillex were screaming at did, and look at how well it paid off for him. It didn't change the cucks' minds, but he wasn't trying to. He was speaking to the camera. Trump supporters won the election by remaining calm and absorbing the left's blows and I don't see how continuing this tactic can fail. Eventually all former centrists/moderates will be on our side.

>>137222084
>Distinct and different movements can share beliefs.
Yes, but that's not what I asked, is it?
>Let's maybe try to move into the 21st century here.
Where have I heard that before?

>>137222262
>I prove to the general public that I'm not a Nazi?
How're you going to do that without backpeddaling on your position?

>>137222705
Again, get this through you thick Neo-Nazi skull: different movements can share the same beliefs.
Why the fuck do you insist on rallying under some failed German socialist party's symbols so badly?

>>137222987
>different movements can share the same beliefs.
So when you get called a racist nazi hitler for voicing those beliefs, what are you going to do to counter that, anon?
>Why the fuck do you insist on rallying under some failed German socialist party's symbols so badly?
I don't, I just think there's something extremely fishy about your type that insists that we go out of our way to denounce it just to appease to people that are going to call us nazis anyway.

>>137223181
I don't know about him, but my argument is different. I oppose Nazis primarily because I think Nazis are scum who would destroy white civilization if they took power, not because I think they're bad for PR (although I think that, too).

>>137222705
>How're you going to do that without backpeddaling on your position?
It's easy, I'm not a fucking national socialist.

>>137223501
>Nazis are scum who would destroy white civilization if they took power
Define "white civilization", how and why would nazis destroy it?

>>137204844
>they also sent Lenin to Russia in order to try to damage the Russian war effort
Who sent Lenin? A group of Germans right? What was the "religion" of those Germans now?

>>137223181
>So when you get called a racist nazi hitler for voicing those beliefs, what are you going to do to counter that, anon?
I correct them and let them know I'm an Identitarian, or a White Nationalist, or Alt-right, or whatever. Make it clear I'm not some retarded wehraboo who would love to hump Hitler's corpse if I had the opportunity.

>>137223601
So you don't share the same beliefs, which was the whole point of the conversation you felt it necessary to inject yourself into.

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>>137223694
White civilization, to be worth something, should hold certain values such as free speech, rationality, respect for civil institutions, restraint from aggressive war, avoidance of arbitrary police methods and tactics, respect for honor as opposed to for betraying one's allies... you know, the things that separate us from the animals.
The Nazis spit on all these things.

>>137223758
>I correct them and let them know I'm an Identitarian, or a White Nationalist, or Alt-right, or whatever.
Then they'e going to ask you what's effectively different from you and a nazi and then all you have is aesthetics, and we're back at >>137221905

>>137223705
Lenin was sent to Russia by the orders of the German military government, which I guess was probably mostly controlled by Prussians.

>>137223870
>White civilization, to be worth something, should hold certain values
If those values lead said civilization to self-destruct, as is currently the case, then what are they really worth?

>>137223952
Wall for one I don't worship that massive failure, Adolf Hitler. It's a pretty big differentiation.

I'm also not treasonously supporting the side we fought in WW2 (another big one).

>>137224098
>If those values lead said civilization to self-destruct
They don't. None of the things I mentioned stand in opposition to, for example, better border controls or a reformulation of the welfare state. It's not those values that are leading to the current demographic shifts, but the particular context of current politics.
Even if they did, though, I might prefer to go out with my principles rather than become an animal.

>>137224098
>nonwhites are savages because they don't value traits like rationality, honor, and empathy
>whites should do away with traits like rationality, honor, and empathy because they're weak and self-destructive
Pick one, faggot.

>>137224212
>It's a pretty big differentiation.
"Then why do you share the same beliefs?"
>I'm also not treasonously supporting the side we fought in WW2 (another big one).
"What would your grandpa think of you sharing their beliefs?"

See, all that's left is backpeddaling on your position - or, as >>137223601 did, just admit that it was never your position to begin with, which means that this whole conversation was kinda pointless.

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>>137202994
Did any of you pay the toll? Not a one of you have paid the troll toll. Not a single goddamn one of you have.

>>137202994
You cant square that circle really. All present-day white identity movements glorify violence and confrontation. As did all historical fascist movements. It's inherent in the ideology.

Of course you can always have a movement wishing for the "good old days" back, and then you get some white version of wahabism.

The only way which is actually useful is to focus on and promote sound values: personal responsibility; civilized behavior; being productive; treating people with love and empathy while holding them to a standard; etc.

But modern day rightwing movements have pretty much completely abandoned all kinds of sound morality and decentness. Focusing exclusively on culture war stuff like abortion and homosexuality is what originally led to this moral bankruptcy on the right.

As if fags and abortion was all that morality was about. Morality is what separates us from animals in the jungle. The fundamental parts being empathy, acting for a greater good than ones immediate gratification, that kind of stuff.

>>137224431
>It's not those values that are leading to the current demographic shifts, but the particular context of current politics.
That context gets fostered by those values, anon. But since you already admitted to being fine with our destruction, there's not really a point in continuing this. Just because you have the moral highground doesn't mean that you win when they kill you, Trudeau.

>>137224556
I'm not going to pick one of two stramen, no.

>>137224563
>"Then why do you share the same beliefs?"

For a third time you massive retard: different movements can share the same beliefs.

It's mental difficients like you who hold back the 14 more than anything at this point.

>>137224873
>For a third time you massive retard: different movements can share the same beliefs.
"Then how are they different?"

All you have is muh aesthetics, muh hitler, muh war. That's not going to convince the people that disagree with your beliefs, buddy.

>>137224792
You seem to be convinced that only becoming a fascist or Nazi can protect whites. I disagree. And I don't know why it surprises you that a man might want to die with honor rather than live as a savage. It's certainly not what I would prefer, I'm just saying that if it really turned out that those were the only two alternatives, I would have to at least think about things. Of course I would defend myself if physically attacked by anti-white racists. That doesn't mean I need to favor some form of authoritarianism or subscribe to the national socialist newsletter.

>>137221233
totalitarianism and dictatorship can be acceptable in states of national emergency. Being a temporal remedy against something worse. So back in time when communism was plotting a take over, could be defensible.

But not today. Personal freedom won the match, and if NS want do be something in the future it has to deal with it. Raising arms today is a clear sign of incapacity to deal with reality.

>>137225209
>totalitarianism and dictatorship can be acceptable in states of national emergency.
Agreed. But the degree to which I trust Nazis to put authoritarian tools back down after the crisis is past is zero. Nazis don't even pretend to ever want to put those tools back down. The ideology is one of perpetual totalitarianism and a permanent state of militarist agitation, since they glorify this condition as leading to virtue.
>But not today. Personal freedom won the match, and if NS want do be something in the future it has to deal with it. Raising arms today is a clear sign of incapacity to deal with reality.
Agreed.

>>137216413
how can a soap be this retarded?

>>137225100
>You seem to be convinced that only becoming a fascist or Nazi can protect whites. I disagree.
Then be specific with an alternative, anon.

>>137225762
Persuasion. Let the left become more and more retarded and be the reasonable side. In the US, infiltrate the Democrat party and push for border controls and cuts to welfare on the basis of needing to make sure to prioritize Americans and take away those talking points from Republicans. Cut ties with Nazis so that there's actually something solid to point to when people accuse you of being a Nazi. Support classic white civilization values. Take a page from Trump's campaign and continue attacking neo-con style foreign policy. Encourage division between different non-white groups. Be the law and order party but also insist that cops act more impartially. Etc. Be smart rather than running to fascism to fix things (it wouldn't).

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>>137202994
Completely agree
t. Libertarian racialist

>>137226427
>Persuasion. Let the left become more and more retarded and be the reasonable side.
Looking at how you're country's about to be minority white, how's that working out for you?

>Be smart rather than running to fascism to fix things (it wouldn't).
That's quite the assertion, anon. Looking at the historical precedents, fascism has dealt with our problems much more effectively than what you're suggesting.

>>137227191
>Looking at how you're country's about to be minority white, how's that working out for you?
More than 60% white, and it's not like non-whites are all united (common white nationalist blind spot which prevents them from exploiting the divisions of non-whites). Europe's doing even better.
>Looking at the historical precedents, fascism has dealt with our problems much more effectively than what you're suggesting.
Historical precedents like what?

>>137227538
>More than 60% white
"Slightly above 60% white" you mean, and you're ignoring the part where your census bureau counts North Africans and Middle Easterners as white or how that kind of data doesn't account for your "undocumented citizens". The real number's lower, and it's not like whites are all united either.

Your country is, by all means, dead. That's the fruits of your bullshit, and it makes me wonder why a self-proclaimed rational person would keep shilling this evidently ineffective way of dealing with things.

>>137227928
Doesn't look dead to me. I'm really just not too worried about that whole scenario. Whites could be down to 30% and still beat everybody else. If it comes to lower than that, I'll worry. Like I've said before, Nazis give whites much too little credit.

>>137227928
If something goes really wrong, we'll regroup en masse here in Europe and we'll start anew.

>>137228463

>>137218087
The eternal mountain jew strikes again

>>137230177