Japan need immigrants

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>>137168339
English teacher fuck off

>>137168339
>Can you refute me?
I sure can. Germany.

>>137168339
Kill yourself chang.

>>137168532
I am not English teacher, I am educated Japanese who work for Japan

>>137168644
>Germany experienced one of highest GDP growth in EU thanks to immigrants.

oh yeah Thank you so much for supporting my points

>>137168339

As a German i can say: Don't give a fuck about 0.1% of some growth and protect your fucking culture. We have the best ecomony in Europe and we're still fucked.

>>137168339
IMO the problem is that every immigrant will want to move to Tokyo or Kyoto, which are already overpopulated as fuck, instead of going rural. Helping noone.

Too overcrowded
Culture not foreigner friendly and way too hard to assimulate
Not wnough housing and most dont even accept non japanese

>>137168339
Give me some sweet yellow pussy
let me fuck your daughter
she will learn to appreciate the BBC

>>137169333
we have the knowledge of social engineering.

How about giving them money to move to rural area?

>>137168339
Hope you get hit by a car.

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>>137168339
>he still thinks economic growth is a good thing

>>137169700
Hello communist.

Go back to cuba

>>137169569
Yeah, honestly the best bet Japan has of immigration is forcing people to live rural.


But a lot of rural Japan is pretty xenophobic unlike the major cities.

>>137168339
One word:
Automation

>>137168339
Aren't you Japs building robots to cater to you when things get worse in terms of population? Like the world of WALL-E?

I'm doubtful that the Japanese are just going to let in immigrants and refugees to breed their women.

>>137170252

one phrase.
Robots don't pay tax.

Japan needs to stay japansese. Don't make the same mistake as sweden, germany etc. Say no to immigration.

>>137170460
Neither do mussies

Japan needs to stay japanese. Don't make the same mistake as sweden, germany etc. Say no to immigration.

>>137170849
How can you live without paying consumer tax?

>>137168339
hate to tell ya this but the immigrants will most likely be of no use other than taxburdens, you see these countries have social-system where getting sick physically and mentally can land you a sweet spot in not doing anything but smoking cigarettes, sure you probably have to be in some form of work first but not really. Not when you are a first generation invader and if they do get work it is being a taxi driver.

Also they have a hard time in just learning Norwegian or German, what do you think it takes to learn nipponese? that takes brainpower not like the other European languages.
Heck, Norway has a Poland problem and they pay taxes but don't learn Norwegian even tough they are in Norway for many years, and they a purely economic immigrants.

>>137170975
Mussies get loads of help from the state over here, so none work and there are ways to avoid sales taxes

>>137168339
You guys can figure it out, just don't let anyone in.

>>137170975
Just don't cuck like us nippon and it will be fine.
Remember that a bad economy is still better than one run by kikes

>>137168339
Why do you always post this thread? Why do you want immigrants in your homeland so badly? Are you even full Japanese? Have you been around hispanics, arabs, or blacks? Do you know what hell you are inviting upon yourself and your people?

>>137168339
Japan, along with many south East Asian countries is overpopulated. If the population goes down, it's fine, and in time the birth rate will rise again.

>>137168918
>Thanks to migrants
>The great majority of migrants dont work and are criminals
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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>the ultimate fulfillment of human existence is the perpetual expansion of GDP

Please neck urself

>>137168339
You need decent white folks to boost your numbers without decaying your society

>>137168918
Germany is having major crime problems caused by those immigrants. And Germans are slowly being replaced.

The moment you realise there are other things than GDP growth is when it all changes

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>>137168339

If your population is stagnating/shrinking then why would you need a rising GDP?

Japan already has a very high standard of living, even if it were to stagnate economically what's the harm in that? Money isn't everything in life. You honestly believe that people should undermine the foundation for the continued existence of their culture and people simply because we might be able to squeeze another 0.x% growth out of it?

What person that hasn't been bombarded with propaganda their entire life would have such twisted priorities?

>>137168339
just make a call that forgin born japanese will be given first dibs for immigration.

>>137168339
There are more important things than economics. It's better to retain Japanese culture and be a little poorer than flood it with immigrants and lose everything.

>>137168339
Less GDP growth is not a problem that needs to be solved
Never has, and never will
GDP decline, however, is another story
Japan doesn't have a declining GDP

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>>137168339
(((GDP))) is a propaganda stat used to sell globalism. High (((GDP))) doesn't equate to prosperity, low crime, or preservation of future cultural stability and intelligence. Say no to white genocide and Japanese genocide.

>>137172061
>Economics are irrelevant if my feels and culture are hurt

Interesting.

>>137168339
>Can you refute me?


are you hard of thinking?

>>137168339
Immigration would not solve the economic issues of Japan that are tied to weak unions and too long workdays and hours. Solutions to your current economic stagnation and moreover deflation lie in slow growth of relative wages and too much work.

Immigration only hurts unions and inflates labor pool without increasing the wages but weakening them.

>>137168339
DONT TAKE THE BAIT RETARDS.

The economy is going to change from your fucking robots anyway. The migrants don't help in any way.

>>137168339
>GDP growth

who fucking cares

the way it's measured effectively just encourages building pyramid schemes of debt rather than actually reflecting economic wellbeing

the rest of your points are either predicated on this one shoddy "MUH GDP" argument or just blatant appeal-to-authority fallacies

>>137168339
Japan doesn't need immigrants
you just need to have some babies
you can't because the globalists have fucked your economy already

>>137175189
Don't pay attention to this scum. They will do anything to destabalize your country and try once again their failed policies.

If you ever watched Trueblood, the Antifa are basically Mary Ann. They try over and over and over again, but all they end up with is chaos, and a lot of dead bodies on their hands.

>>137172227
Germany is just siphoning in Europe's money

>>137168339
I haven't seen this post before.

>>137175965
>you can't because the globalists have fucked your economy already


well thats PART of it

it they banned sale, production, possession, transport and transfer of ANY AND ALL sexual (to any degree) products and services and media you would see a nice improvement in birthrates

>>137175839
>Ayy lets weaken the number of wage owners even further by automating everything with robotics
>this will surely solve our economic issues instead of just lessening the amount of effective tax payers and leading into even bigger economic stagnation with more people suffering in poverty

>>137170975
Welfare.

Otherwise, there's no reason for mudslides to come over to Nippon.

>>137168339
OP how is it you are from japan and stupid enough to either:

be stupid
OR
bait for shits and giggles?

>>137175189
strawman
also infantile
also appeal to ridicule
et al
try again

>>137176291
and?

>>137176116
well thats a gross oversimplication

>>137175965
still.... this guy mostly gets it

>>137175923
this guy also gets it, mostly

>>137175839
indeed

>>137175496
no, the situation is a social and cultural one, what you describe it just a symptom

>>137174753
again, fact

>>137173868
absolutely

>>137173563
how so many people in one thread that know how to think?

>>137172845
another correct poster

>>137172226
those are the only, and temporary, immigrants i would say japan should have

>>137171962
japan is not overpopulated
its land area is grossly underdeveloped
not overpopulated at all

>>137171170
not "mostly" but "most absolutely assuredly"

>>137169700
my man TK

>>137169569
how about telling to fuck off because no, because no

>>137169361
>Too overcrowded

see above

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>>137176063
Death of those unable to adept to new conditions of life is just evolutionary process comrade.
>>137176577
Culture and your feelings are irrelevant in the long run. Culture is subject to change and therefor its romantization serves no purpose.

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>>137168339
Demographic projects aren't destiny. They're models.

Albanians had the highest birthrate in Europe. It was already poor, they still fucked like bunnies.

Then this happened. It went from 6 (in 1960) to 1.79.

We know very well how to slow a nation's birthrate: urbanize the population and teach their women to read. We also know that incentives make a CRUCIAL difference when it comes to birthrate as well as big families. For instance, Russia has arrested an actual democide -- millions of people died in the 1990s as their population & birthrates plunged -- to where it's stabilized at 0.

When Japan starts having houses that are for sale dirt cheap, it will become kawaii a f to have a big family to move into them. What's happening now is a normal reaction to their psychotic obsession with business and then its collapse. People don't know what to do, increasingly they've decided to do nothing.

>>137177266
This thread is about economics and not about culture nor social situation of Japan.

>>137168339
Inviting masses of savages into your country replaces a temporary demographic problem caused by a prior population boom in one now aging generation with longterm problems. Yes it would be good for the economy in the short term. But in the longterm you get much more crime, terrorism and constant banter on pol. Besides you already have a housing problem. Mass immigration wont help with that.

>>137170460
Good. No one should. Robots are allies then.

>>137177583
>This thread is about economics and not about culture nor social situation of Japan.

fallacious
can you figure out how?

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>>137168339
How does having more mouths to feed in the oncoming age of automation translate into a good thing?

>>137168339
ching chong we need mo immigront ching pong yang don't mess with this chang

>>137177583
p.s.:
>you must refute but not use anything that could be validly refutative

yeah ok bud

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>>137168339
every single day for the past year you make this fucking post

literally kill yourself

>>137177372
>Culture and your feelings are irrelevant in the long run.

subjective
false generalization
handwavium
so forth

>Culture is subject to change and therefor its romantization serves no purpose.

all of the above but moreso

>>137168339
So if I falsified statistics saying that sucking dog dicks was a good source of income, would you do it? I know canadians would, but I'm asking Japan

>>137177583
Are they so far removed from one another?

>>137178421
the guy is just a troll or imbecile or both

>>137178133
If culture is not subject to change feel free to prove it. But if it is subject to change how could you preserve it without contaminating it nor what value would it hold when its core is subject to change.

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>>137168339
agree japan you NEED IMMIGRANTS, it's next step YOU HAVE TO MAKE to SURVIVE

>>137178421
Original Posts arguments regarding immigration are based on economics. He asks for refuting his economic analysis and its effects.

>>137175496
Taxes dont solve poverty. They help create it.

>>137178545
>If culture is not subject to change feel free to prove it.

red herring
goalposts
so forth
more fallacies

>But if it is subject to change how could you preserve it without contaminating it nor what value would it hold when its core is subject to change.

thats what culture is
and value is subjective
you are not a computer or emotionless robot, stop trying to feign that act

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>>137178545
Your words are empty. "Change" can mean anything. Change can include increasing the persistence of good existing ideas like laws upholding freedoms, which white cultures built and are the only group voting as a majority to preserve in the United States.

>>137179075
possibly best post yet

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>>137178897
Hes asking for a refutation of his argument -
full stop.

>>137179385
there are a few things the connection you are making could mean

which meaning are you pointing to?

>>137179075
Not funding the government and letting Japan to default on its debts would lead to wider economic collapse followed by more poverty. They can not afford to rise in their national debt`s interest rates either.

>>137179546
that would be painful in short term, best in long term

painful and best because it is the only way to sever one's self from the tumor of globalism

>>137168339

The Yamato race is originally from mainland asia anyways. If you are smart you will take high IQ neo mongoloid type people from China, Korea and north vietnam. As long as Japan retains its racial phenotype i think it is ok. It would be like eastern european migrating to western europe.

>>137179121
Material value can be determined, therefor non-material things are definable too culture in particular since it effects our behavior,conditioning and actions. In its current state culture hold very little material value since it is not an tool of social engineering nor conditioning by the larger society.

>>137179200
Not sure if sarcasm or not. Coul be both. In any case just to make sure. The idea thst stealing money from wealth producers and giving it to poor people that produce very little wealth is going to make them financially independant and get them out of poverty is ludicrous. All you do is alleviate some of the symptoms of poverty. But you dont teach a man to fish by giving him free fish.

>>137168339

you guys are top in every identifiable metric of quality of life. You have everything and the west is crumbling before your eyes. Your economy is stagnating but our middle class is dying, already gone in all major metropolis. Your only problems is low birth rate and inefficient work culture. Those are both solvable.

Most tourists would rather go to overpopulated cities and it's overcrowded as fuck and really hard to assimilate when everyone associates Japan with Anime.

>>137180127
>Material value can be determined,

still subjective

> therefor non-material things are definable too culture in particular since it effects our behavior,conditioning and actions

value still subjective

>In its current state culture hold very little material value

subjective

>since it is not an tool of social engineering nor conditioning by the larger society.

arbitrarily attached metrics/conditions

>>137180154
>Not sure if sarcasm or not.

not sarcasm, NOT AT ALL.

>>137179546
The solution is to cut expenditure drastically.

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>>137168339

In it's most basic form your argument appears to be:

>Japan needs people.
>Immigrants are people.
>Therefore, Japan needs immigrants.

The problem is with the second premise. Immigrants are not people - at least not in the sense that will help Japan. They disproportionately use social services, they undermine Japanese cultural integrity and in large numbers they will jeopardise Japanese security.

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Use your real flag, Schlomo. Japan is fine the way it is.

>>137179805
Economic collapse would make Japan even more reliant on outside forces as without trade surplus following their collapse and with their underfunded government they would have to rely on foreign aid and might become subject to strict control by the UN.

>>137168339
Japans GDP:
1990 3.14 trillion
2012 6.20 trillion

As for immigrants... Japan is not exactly a country you can just assimilate into.
All you'll get is refugee only sectors in your city that don't associate with the rest of the community... how would that be desirable?

So basically Japan is on track to become Asia's Switzerland? Not a bad path to go down.

>>137180524
good way to state it, i laughed

i think its simple enough he might get it

>>137180519
Indeed but I doubt that democracy where majority of its population are elderly and soon will retire would be willing to cut its welfare nor even be effectively able to rise taxes.

>>137180573
you keep thinking one step forward, and then you stop thinking, rather: try to keep thinking

>>137168339
I hope your women are raped in front of you by hajjis. "needs immigrants" fucking kys you absolute fuck

>>137168339
FILTHY JEW

GET OUT OF NIHON

>>137168339
GDP growth has nothing to do with population growth.

Countries like Chile and Argentina had population growth in the single digits from 2000 to now, but their GDP expanded 3x to 5x.

The problem with Japan is that its economic polices are designed for old people. Japan needs reforms.

>>137170460
Robot owners pay tax. You just have to increase taxes on the wealthy instead of the working man since the wealthy own the robots and all the profits of their labor.

High quality immigrants are better than low quality natives, but criminal or welfare immigrants are the worst.

Also, supposedly overpopulation is a threat to the planet, so we need to be taking notes from Japan's declining birth rate situation and not just trying to solve it and move on.

Instead the elites want to use overpopulation as their excuse to kill a ton of people and enslave the rest.

>>137180663
>what is exchange rate

man. the value of dollar is decreased

Japanese yen GDP is unchanged.

>>137181691
No they don`t if those robots are owned by corporation or person that operates form tax haven.

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>>137180826
That is why democracy fails. Sooner or later it brings every country into a debt spiral. Goverment gets larger and larger untill it controlls every aspect of life. The solution is anarchy, or rather self governance. The state is just a parasite we grew used to. Healthcare, education, defense and even law and order can be provided by the free market. All it takes is the willingness to forge your own destiny.

>>137182810
Sure they can be provided by markets. My only personal real antagonism regarding anarcho-capitalism is that I fear that it would stagnate workforce`s or limit the labor pool in some artificial way and attempt to stop unions form forming. I also think that donations based scientific institutes would revise less of funding than government operated institutes leading to slower development of non-applicable technology and theoretical side of science.

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true

>>137168339
Promote growth instead of societal division, you slanty-eyed retard.
Jesus fuck, if you have to little children, sponsor having children throughthe government, if your GDP is not going well enough, advance your market.

This is what I don't get, who the fuck cares if a population is declining, it's a natural ebb and flow of things. Who cares if GDP is shrinking, inflation and debt is like a hamster wheel for people. To maintain this phony ponzi central banking construct populations need to keep growing, debt needs to keep growing, inflation will keep growing. It's manufactured pressure on the plebes because your savings keep diminishing.

>>137168339
Is this a real thing? Does japan really need/want migrants?
It's just hard to imagine when a good part of the western world is fighting against it.

>>137183741
Child support fails to increase birthrates effectively. Despite having it for decades my country(finland) has failed to increase its birthrates that have been on steady decline.

>>137179385
Easy answer: 3rd largest GDP, low crime (on the record), homogeneous society.

>>137184236

Also probably more difficult for you because you couldn't imagine anyone actually WANTING to immigrate to Portugal.

This fucking thread everytime.

jesus.

>>137168339
Doing so will destroy Japan's culture. If it is okay with that, then it should be perfectly fine with every square inch being nuked and not raise a finger to retaliate.

After all, based on your logic, Japan is merely a land mass and not Japanese citizenry with a unique culture.

To reverse, you tell the Japanese people their complacency is resulting in the genocide of their people. In order to thwart this, medically able women must have a minimum number of children until population growth has stabilized. Likewise, the State will subsidize the costs and help lift their children out of poverty.

>time to stop cucking around

>>137172227
We should take refugees, there refuges that contribute to society and become very successful.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/10/13/the-5-biggest-refugeegroupsofthelast20years.html

Things like your favorite hot sauce might not exist for a small example.

However we should be cautious, very cautious

>>137185325
very small fraction of 1/10

best i can do

>>137168339
Do Japanese people understand Norwegian?