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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
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Comrades how can we support DPRK in it`s anti-imperialist struggle?
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>>137130291
By killing yourselves
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>supporting North Korea
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of rebolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>137130291
>Comrades how can we support DPRK in it`s anti-imperialist struggle?
Move there.
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>>137131193
This always makes me kek
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>>137130291
Sabotaging all efforts at American interference and letting it get nukes.
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>>137131407
It's so good that OP doesn't even attempt to refute it anymore.
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>>137130847
>U.S. rejected North Korea peace talks offer before last nuclear test: State Department
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKCN0VU0XE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRwf0qdy_S8
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Communist hate thread, let's go
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>>137131781
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>>137131781

...They already have Nukes.
I think you meant Iran here.
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>>137131885
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>>137132102
>what is redneck revolt

Dumb polack niggers.
>>137131781
I think that providing them with actually important targets would be for the better along maps and such.
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>>137132652
You are no different if your flag represents your ideology. Particularly with your military kenysianism.
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>>137132379
how the fuck are we an oligarchy?
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>>137133101
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>>137132854
How do you feel about the fact that Communism is Jewish?
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>>137133238
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>>137132652
glen beck-tier cringe
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>>137133240
Communists are not liberals.
>>137133367
It`s anti-jewish.

"Bolsheviks, including Jewish Bolsheviks, were hostile to Judaism. From December 1918 to August 1919, the teaching of Hebrew was banned, religious instruction in Judaism was forbidden, the Kehillot (an umbrella organization of Jewish communists) was suppressed and the leaders of those organizations were rounded up and imprisoned.

In the next decade, anti-Semitism began to appear in Communist Party propaganda, with references by the Vozd against "Talmudists." During this period trials against Jews that would "put the trials of Dreyfus and Beilis in the shade."

Even in the early years of Hitler, when Nazism was supposedly the mortal enemy of Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks agreed with the Nazis that Jews were exploiters of the working class in Germany. As Walter Laqueur writes in his 1959 book, The Soviet Union and the Middle East:

"With the stimulus to Zionism given by the rise of Hitler, the Soviet and Comintern organs intensified their attacks on Zionism. Hitler's anti-Semitism was regarded skeptically; commenting on the April, 1933, boycott in Germany, it was said ‘In a few days you will find that all the big Jewish stores still exist, that Jewish bankers, capitalists and stock jobbers are still carrying on their businesses, and that no Jewish industrialist has suffered any damage.'"

So, while the Christian democracies were deploring Kristallnacht and despicable acts of the Nazis toward the Jews, the Bolsheviks (supposedly controlled by the Jews) pretended that the Nazis and Jews were actually in league -- it is hard to imagine clearer evidence that those Jews who had died with the Bolsheviks (and so repudiated Judaism) were pawns of the Bolsheviks, not the controllers of Bolshevism."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/12/wrongfully_accused_jews_and_bo.html#ixzz3CjVxnvSd
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>>137130023


get lost with your commie-trash

>its been tried TOO MANY TIMES!
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>>137133238
Research shows that popular opinion of the bottom 90% wealth earners have near-zero impact on policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig
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C'mon porkies, lemme hear you say it.
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>>137133923
>It`s anti-jewish.
Anti-Semitism
https://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
http://archive.is/XxRXf
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.
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Communism was created by the jews.
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>>137134481
This law was removed after the war, particularly when Stalin was planning for his anti-jewish purge of doctors.
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Eating pork should be mandatory
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>>137134766
Well no, it was created by french Utopian socialists but popularized by Marx&Engels.
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>>137134823
>This law was removed after the war,
Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150
http://archive.is/uNDV5

Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

>particularly when Stalin was planning for his anti-jewish purge of doctors.
Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
http://archive.is/WAARm

Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR
https://darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/
http://archive.is/NaSDY
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>>137134986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYvbIAXveVk
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>>137133923
Any Anti-Semitism from the Communists was done by the German Empire-favored Stalinists that folllowed Lenin, but not his ways, at least they split of, unlike the Trotzkytes who were the Jewish Internationalist later financed by Brits and Americans, their ideology is what you follow.

Stalinism included Patriotism, Anti-Semitism,Anti-Americanism and Authoritarianism, Stalin would havve ordered Antifa to be executed, as quick as you could screach "Gulag" when a serrated Bayonet penetrates your ass and you can bet on that for sure.
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>>137134986
>Well no, it was created by french Utopian socialists but popularized by Marx&Engels.
Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931836
http://archive.is/rwTdC
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

Leon Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotski#Childhood_and_family_.281879.E2.80.931895.29
http://archive.is/xMRhM
>He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, David Leontyevich Bronshtein and his wife Anna Bronshtein. The family was Jewish but reportedly not religious.

Lenin's Jewish Roots Put on Display in Russian Museum
https://jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum
https://archive.is/6Z8XT
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>>137134986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDtgWUtdUM
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>>137135072
>Putin
>we should lissen to anti-communists about their theories regarding communist structures

>Stalin`s Jews
>muh Cheka and GPU

Organizations that were destroyed during the great purge to be replaced by NKVD.

Also who muh jews argument is logical fallacy(poisoning the well).

>Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR

>Jewish supremacist in GERMANY claimed this about Soviet union without ever stepping inside the state ever stated this

Bad arguments.
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>>137135161
Only places that Funded the social democratic party of Russia(reform to communist party after the October revolution) Were Imperial Germany during 1917 and English liberals during the 1910-1917 period when the party was in exile.
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>>137135824
Jewish Founders of International Communism for the One World Order
http://archive.is/FxwIc

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
http://archive.is/kFzh2

Jewish Activists Created Communism
http://truthtellers.org/alerts/jewishactivistscommunism.html
http://archive.is/3Euel

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html
http://archive.is/hcyTf

Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm
http://archive.is/SRRIz

Bolshevik Propaganda
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924030480051/cu31924030480051_djvu.txt
>Senator Wolcott. Are they in favor of any particular religion?

>Mr. Huntington. Not the leaders of this movement themselves; no, sir. The leaders of the movement, I should say, are about two-thirds Russian Jews and perhaps one-sixth or more of some of the other nationalities, like the Letts or the Armenians. The assistant in the foreign office was an Armenian. Then there are the Georgians; that is, the so-called Gruzinians of the Caucasus, and the remaining number Slavs. The superiority of the Jews is due to their intellectual superiority, because the average Jew is so much better educated than the average Russian; and also, I think, to the fact that the Hebrew people have suffered so in the past in Russia that it has inevitably resulted in their cherishing a grudge which has been worked out by the movement.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnCm1GVycs
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>>137136221
>There's nothing wrong with the Jews, goyim.
>oy vey! communism isn't Jewish, that's just antisemitic!
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>>137135325
>Karl Marx

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

>Leon Trotsky
Irrelevant, considering that he was one of those who approved on crackdown on the jews within soviet union in form of banning dual organization between Russian social democratic party and all Russian polish and lithuanian jewish bund. Not to mention his radical stance against jewish autonomy culturally during the early years of the party.

>Lenin's Jewish Roots Put on Display in Russian Museum

>Maternal Grandfather

You know that the jewish line is maternal so this is irrelevant and makes him a non-jew?
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Reporting in
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>>137131318
Pure long term communist land = dictatorship+ nationalist + closed border + self centered + self-sufficient.
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>>137136940
>>Karl Marx
Was a Jew.

>>Leon Trotsky
Was a Jew

>>Lenin's
Was a Jew


>You know that the jewish line is maternal so this is irrelevant and makes him a non-jew?
Jews are a Race, Genes Reveal
http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html
http://archive.is/y5Pr8

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4073133,00.html
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>>137137286
Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY
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>>137130023
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>In 74 years Marxism has been unable to produce the utopia it promised.
>In 200 years Liberalism has not been able to give us it's world universal Equality, Happiness and Plenty.
> In 2,000 years Christianity has not been able to show us a strong and viable society based upon it's professed beliefs.
> But in just 12 years - 4,482 days - half of them under siege and despite greatest adversity, Adolf Hitler created a society that worked, a society which did exactly what it said it was going to do, to raise the human condition - a society that took an entire world mobilized in war to destroy.
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>>137130023
>when you realize Kim Jong Drumph will never be impeached.
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>>137130714
This
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>>137130023
Mass killing of people in the Soviet Union
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>>137130023
Lárgate de /pol/, podemita de mierda.
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>>137130023
Communism was genocide.
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>>137136246
>http://archive.is/FxwIc

>quoted form Frederic engels a jewish persion

Not literally possible considering that Engels Served in the Prussian military and Prussian military had banned jews form serving in the military.

Again a logical fallacy of poisoning the well.

>The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

Purged by the 1930`s. Still logical fallacy of poisoning the well. Not an argument.

>Jewish Activists Created Communism

Wrong, Socialism and communism predates scientific socialism and Marxism. See for example: Paris commune.

>Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues

>http://www.berdichev.org/jewsinurss_b_4.htm

>During the years of Stalin's suppression of Yiddish culture, a few synagogues had been allowed to go on functioning. In the last years of Khrushchev's leadership, however, a campaign of militant atheism is launched against all religions, particularly affecting Jewish institutions. Jewish cemeteries are expropriated and destroyed, and more than fifty synagogues are closed. In dozens of books, authors with Jewish-sounding names denounce the Jewish religion. Only an estimated sixty synagogues remain open in 1965.
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>>137130023
Victims of communism in Cambodia
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>>137130023
Tens of millions of people starved to death due to economic mismanagement in Maoist China
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>>137137670
Past is irrelevant in what i said.

The pure communist land think it may lack food, it would keep his population low by controling it's birth rate.
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>>137137414
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

>Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem
>argumentum ad hominem

Not an argument.
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>>137130023
required reading for would be communists: The Gulag Archipelago by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Done
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>>137130023
Starving people in a communist labor camp in the Soviet Union
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>>137138507

Cute fiction novel you have there, it was written by universally discredited russophobe

“In her 1974 memoir, Sanya: My Life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn”…, she wrote that she was ”perplexed” that the West had accepted ”The Gulag Archipelago” as ”the solemn, ultimate truth,” saying its significance had been ”overestimated and wrongly appraised.”

Pointing out that the book’s subtitle is ”An Experiment in Literary Investigation,” she said that her husband did not regard the work as ”historical research, or scientific research.” She contended that it was, rather, a collection of ”camp folklore,” containing ”raw material” which her husband was planning to use in his future productions.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/06/world/natalya-reshetovskaya-84-is-dead-solzhenitsyn-s-wife-questioned-gulag.html
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>>137137670
So what if there were jews in Communist ranks? Many half-jews fought along the German side too, serving in their government.

Not to mention connection between Hitler and the Rothchilds.
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>>137138707
What if we archive it https://archive.is/glANo
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Marxian economics are heterodox

Marxian political theory is heterodox

your entire ideology is poorly thought out and has no serious proponents in 2017

top fucking kek
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>>137130023
Torture methods in Gulags.
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>>137138507
>We should listen to what an pro-German and person who was sentenced for high treason during his military service said
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>>137130291
>>137130023
>>137130847
>>137131193
>>137131885
All of you Communist filth can neck yourselves, the world would be a better place for it and since you're commies then I assume you'll probably gladly kill yourselves if you think it'll defend your thoroughly debunked worldviews.
>In b4 it wasn't "real" Communism muh comrades will be the next step in humanity lol ebin xDD
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>>137130023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E
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>>137138926
There were no gulags but a single gulag aka. Chief Administration of Corrective Labor Camps.
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>>137135072
>darkmoon.me
ebin
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>>137135466
Actually, communists and liberals have always disliked each other.
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I'd just like to remind you that my grandfather killed a dozen of you pinko fucks and lived a happy and fulfilling life after the war as a decorated veteran.
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>>137138743
In the pure communist land, jews wouldn't ever know they are jews.
The pure communist land is a dictatorship which has absolute control over it's people, the land is totaly closed from the outside, it's people don't care about the outside world, if hey do and want to explore it, they are free to leave but they won't be allowed to come back.
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>>137138224
"The US not only helped to create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force, politically and financially. By January 1980, the US was secretly funding Pol Pot's exiled forces on the Thai border. The extent of this support -- $85 million from 1980-86 -- was revealed 6 years later in correspondence between congressional lawyer Jonathan Winer, then counsel to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation."
- John Pilger
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>>137139722
My great-grandfather fought for the red guards during the civil war and I`m sure that he at least killed one or two of you classcucks.
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>>137130023
Communism was the deadliest ideology of all times.
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>>137130023
Mass graves of Polish officers executed by Stalin
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>>137140364
That would have never happened under the pure communist land.
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McCarthy was right about you. You are all so full of shit you are not diferent from a fucking diaper.
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>>137130023
Empty shelves in socialist Venezuela
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>>137138666
Nice try. Those are Holocaust survivors.
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>>137140144
Was it not 60 million according to /pol/ just week ago? That number sure changes a lot.
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>>137130023
Empty shelves in Vilnius, Lithuanian SSR, Soviet Union
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>>137140645
https://nsnbc.me/2016/04/12/iconic-photo-of-shortage-ridden-venezuelan-supermarket-taken-in-new-york/
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>>137130023
Victims of the communist party of Vietnam in Hue
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The pure communism is the only real communism.
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>>137140818
>malaria is capitalism's fault
>being this retarded
You know nothing of Africa.
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>>137130023
Victims of the Cultural Revolution, Maoist China
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>>137130023
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>>137140832
US Supermarket in 2007
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>>137130023
Starving children in Maoist China
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>>137141433
>market-economic system is not responsible for deaths underneath it unless its socialism

OK.
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>>137130023
Victims of Soviet genocide in Lithuania
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>>137141818
Starving children in Capitalist India, current decade
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>>137130023
Executed victims of the Soviet Cheka secret police in 1918 or 1919 in Kiev
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>>137142064

>eating
>starving

nice try
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>>137141993
Victims of iraqi-capitalist genocide in Iraq.
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>>137130023
Mass executions in USSR
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>>137140832
I can spot plenty of overweight people and they all look healthy
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>>137132379
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>>137130023
Mass purges under Stalin
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>>137142366
>25 million children suffer form malnutrition
>nobody is starving

Alright then.
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>>137142585
That's an image from the Nazi death squads.
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>>137142064
Starving while eating and not looking emaciated. I almost want to say you're a bad troll but then again you commies are quite retarded.
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>>137130023
Oppression of people in communist China, 1989
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>>137131193
>Sdage four
>Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
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>>137142585
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>>137130023
Bones of Cambodian victims of the communist regime
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>>137142668
Over 20 million people annually due to current economic system. In compassion lot less have died under communist rule if we look at the ratio of death.
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>>137142734#
Oh, commie anon. You are such a fag.
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>>137130023
Torture methods in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge
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>>137143283
>>137143086
They were literally funded by the CIA.
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>>137130023
Empty shelves in Poland due to communist mismanagement of the economy
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>>137142064
THEY ARE LITERALLY EATING FOOD.
also pretty sure they would be starving under a communist regimen too because india is a fucking hell hole.
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>>137143244
Capitalism is elevating 100k + a day out of abject poverty. b-b-but why not all
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>>137143086
>>137143283
You forgot to mention that the Khmer Rouge were primitivist reactionaries helped by the USA.
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>implying people actually support communism unironically
>implying not supporting communism to watch it fall again and again
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>>137130023
People queuing for food in communist Romania
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>>137143557
Yet it does nothing to that death ratio. form something simple as starvation.
Really makes you think dosent it?
>>137143525
Sure, its not like the economic conditions are tied to starvation :)
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>>137130023
Victims of communist oppression in Prague, Czechoslovakia, 1968
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>>137142734
>malnutrition = starving

all North Korea is starving then, communism fails again.
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In a communist society who maintains the sewers, who cleans the streets, who does the monotonous manual labour when you get the same as everyone else?

This is a genuine question. How can communism possibly work in a real world
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>>137143920#
>communist
>talks about starvation
Proffesional here, guys
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>>137144086

oy they were evil fascists!
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>>137143827
People queuing for food in Capitalist Finland(Helsinki), 2011
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>>137144086
The 1968 protests were led by other communists. Funny how American propaganda leaves that out.
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>>137130023
Starving child in USSR, early 1930s
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>>137143920
Perhaps people that can barely feed themselves shouldn't produce 10 children.
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>>137130023
Starving children, USSR, 1932-33
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>>137144250
>when governement provides food is starving
>when there is no food for people its starving, just normal communism working on
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>>137130023
Victim of the 1932-33 Soviet famine
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>From each according to their ability, to each according to their need

Autism bucks here i come :^)
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>>137130023
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>>137130023
Dead bodies of victims of NKVD, the infamous Soviet "Gestapo", 1940s, Lemberg, western Ukraine
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>>137144593
I`m positive that there is no country on this planet where the births per female is 10.
Additionally we currently have ability to produce food for 11 billion people, problem is with the prices and distribution along the changes in food consumption(particularly in meat in the past 70 years).
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>>137130023
Exhumed skulls of NKVD victims, USSR
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>>137130023
Jewish victim of NKVD, Stalinist Russia
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>>137145296
>billions and billions of people
>high death rates
>less than 0.3% of soviet population were executed under Stalin

Sure is high death ratio.
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>>137130023
LET THE LEFTIES HIT THE FLOOR
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>>137130023
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>>137130023
Victim of the Cultural Revolutuion, Maoist China
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Got damn this is a shitshow
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>>137145640
Well no, considering the Soviet question for example. Mass starvation was common under tzarist Russia but that changed with the coming soviet union and particularly in the post-ww2 era.
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>>137145770
>defends Stalin
>"we are better than capitalism guys we swear"
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>>137146025
Communism in a nutshell
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>>137130023
People starving in Tibet, Maoist China
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>>137130023
How do communists plan to not have their shitty system collapse under 3rd-world immigration?

I know you guys are huge cucks for open borders.
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>>137146162
>liberals are communists

What did he mean by this?
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>>137130023
Soviet famine victims
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>>137146309
Due to economic policy there is no need for immigration since population will increase according to central planning.
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>>137146347
Communists and SocDem liberals are virtually interchangeable int he west. There are no manly or nationalist commies left here.

You're all faggots that will let niggers flood-in, and ironically destroy the living standards of the white working class.
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>when you burn yourself alive to protest communism and in 2017 a random faggot starts defending it
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>>137145770
>I-its only 70< million people dead
You have no idea, how much of a scumbag you sound
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These daily commie general threads are really an allegory for communism's inevitable outcome in the real world. They always try and try again, and it always fails miserably.
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>>137130023
NKVD loading famine victim, USSR
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>>137146652
>there is no need for immigration

There's no need for immigration now, but you leftcusk still demand it anyway. It's in your nature.

Try to argue against immigration on any major leftist forum, and they will get triggered and ban you.
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>>137146555
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>>137130023

Fuck off filthy communists
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>>137130023
Khmer rouge genocide, communist Cambodia
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>>137146764
We are realistically talking about 1-5 million people. This is not even quarter of the holocaust. or Bengal famine caused by British policy.
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>>137130023
Remains of Khmer Rouge victims, communist Cambodia
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>>137146911
>implying shitty Soviet management of "collectivized farms" and killing all the "kulaks' who knew how to manage farms didn't make it worse.

Lenin only cared about urbanites, and turned rural peasants into slaves. The NKVD forcibly-removed what little grain they had, and let them starve so urban cities in Western Russia could feast like hogs.

This was one of the main Reasons Mao hated Lenin and the Soviets, and eventually split from them. Maoism was more in favor of the rural underclass.
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>>137130023
Depiction of torture in communist Cambodia
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>>137146846
Immigration is an capitalist creation to weaken trade union and suppress wages. Under socialism there will be no need to suppress wages or trade unions and as such there will be no political interest clique advocating for immigration.

Liberals and anarchists want immigration and open boarders, I think that most communists are either opposed to this or neutral on subject since its related to capitalist policy.
>>137146676
Honestly I think that the new-old left will get rid of those identity politics and their cliques.
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The Black Book Of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
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>>137147168
Installed by CIA, funded by USA, toppled by other communists.
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>>137147602
Mao Hated Stalin and not Lenin(who was long dead by Mao`s rise to power in communist party of China) Also Maoist China was focused on industrial growth during their early years as seen in their 5- year plans.
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>>137130023
Landowner executed in communist China
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>>137147924
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>>137147188
Stalin wiped out all the "Bourgeoisie" and "Kulaks".
And at the great purge.
>You owned a brick house and a shovel off to the gulag whit you

Not to mention hes collectivization that killed millions more.

Hitler looked like a saint to him.
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>>137148048
>Mao
>industrial growth

Remember the bird-killing and iron-smelting incidents? LMAO, indeed.
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>>137147639
>Immigration is an capitalist creation

Which the modern left adopted like crazy. Also, contemporary marxism and Marxist parties have been trying to destroy nationalism for over a century.
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>>137148608
>modern left
Liberals still aren't left-wing.
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Pudrimos, hijos de puta, no os quiere nadie. En las próximas vais a seguir sacando menos que el PSOE.
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>>137147639
>Honestly I think that the new-old left will get rid of those identity politics and their cliques

When are commies going to march in the streets and protest BLM and La Raza for being ethnocentric? My guess is never.
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>>137148307
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Calculating_the_number_of_victims


>Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed during the period of Stalin produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million.[287] After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953),[288] around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 2.9 million officially recorded victims in these categories.[289]

>2.9 million

Hitler killed lot more by staring the ww2.
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>>137148737
Even modern western Marxists who oppose all capital are libcucked socially and love Muslim cum.

Face it, the memes are true.
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>>137148608
Well nationalism is a cancer that must be destroyed.
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>>137148480
While those were failures they still managed to have annual industrial growth of nearly 50% during the first 3 five year plans. This came down once the production could no longer be sustained due to lack of consumption of industrial goods, but heavy industry kept its growth up until the cultural revolution.
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>>137130023
Ukranian famine victims
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>>137148972
Liberals LARPing as commies are still liberals. High likelihood of FBI COINTELPRO.
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>>137130023
Communism is an inherently authoritarian ideology where a central committee become overlords of a vast slave society with no rights.
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>>137130023
Victims of communism, Yugoslavia
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>>137149332
I think the FBI would hire somebody much more aesthetic and competent, LOL.
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>>137148608
Neoliberals,social democrats and others are looking to expand capitalism so probably yes, but not the communists.
Contemparaly Marxism has created socialist patriotism and other concepts such as the new soviet man, while the end goal might be to end nationalism it can only be reached by creating politicized version of nationalism.
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>>137130023
How do you plan to stop the growing ideological issues in the world involving islam?
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>>137148737
>Liberals still aren't left-wing.
¿Y tú líder Pablemos tampoco, cabrón? ¿Quién está a favor de retirar, no ya las concertinas, sino la valla entera de Ceuta y Melilla? ¿Quién está a favor de papeles para todos? ¿Quién quiere traer a toda costa a los refugiados?

Hace tiempo que la izquierda ya no representáis al obrero, que renunciasteis a los postulados económicos del marxismo. Hoy en día sois el partido de los inmigrantes, del feminismo radical y de los homosexuales.

Los obreros no os importan una mierda, incluso los despreciáis.
>>
vroom vroom
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FUCKING COMMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>137130023
Cambodian children
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>>137149377
Socialism works on paper, but IRL it takes a CIA funded coup to stop the spread of the one true glorious ideology for the people.
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>>137145253
Incompetent people are going to incompetent

Perhaps other African nations could of followed in Rhodesia and South Africa's footsteps and produce enough food for themselves so they weren't dependent on the rich capitalist countries - but we all know how that turned out.
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>>137149638
>Contemparaly Marxism has created socialist patriotism

Modern Western commies hate Kim's Juche and Stalin, and would call them bigots for not supporting gay marriage and being to ethnocentruc. They basically just want a militant state to enforce their SJW views.

The old commies are either dead, or live in shithole countries. The Western left is cucked forever.
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>>137137286

>dictatorship+ nationalist + closed border + self centered + self-sufficient.

sounds just like fascism
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>>137149588
Oh no, that's just liberals doing liberal things. The crackdown on Occupy was well executed, though. And then hijacked.
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>>137130023
Communists at work
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Why do commies always look so greasy and disgusting? It's like they try to look like degenerates.
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¿Qué piensa Podemos de la clase trabajadora española?

¿What does Podemos think about Spanish working class?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWZXF8MonE8

¿Defensores de los obreros? ¡Mis cojones 33!
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>>137130023
Victims of North Korean army
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>>137150070
>>137149332
The level of denial you commies have is amazing.

Here's the reality of the situation: the more you support communism, the more SJWs and niggers will be empowered to Zimbabwe you. If you're a white male communist in 2017, you're digging your own grave.
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>>137149946
South Africa had no need for such thing thanks to their trade surplus on mining and industries. Food production is not quite as profitable as cash crop yield, therefor I don`t think that food production will change in Africa. Particularly when Western countries keep importing their surplus food into Africa due to farming subsidies in EU and USA.
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>>137149669
I'm not a liberal, though. I oppose mass immigration, and liberal """feminist""" SJWs.
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>>137130023
North Korea flood victims sent to concentration camps by Kim Jong-un
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>>137149642
> Dogwhistle racism
> lack of argument
>time to leave this board

Overthrow the capitalist pigs selling weapons to the Wahabbist Saudis.
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>>137150406
A bold claim, but unsubstantiated.

>WHY THE ALT-LEFT IS A PROBLEM, TOO
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/why-the-alt-left-is-a-problem
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>>137130023
Depiction of victims in a North Korean death camp
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>>137150306
kek

try harder.
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>>137149642
>>137150637
Islam gets removed, btw.
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We page 1 yet again
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>>137148758
From the wiki.
Its a lot more.

executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million – a total of about 9 million victims of repression.

Hes total average kill count at 20 million including hes famines.
Some sources claim 60 million.

Its amazing you can defend a monster like him.
Even hes own party hated him.
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>>137150498
>South Africa had no need for such thing thanks to their trade surplus on mining and industries.
Which was the point, the whites introduced proper farming.
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>>137130023
Guard on duty at North Korean death camp
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>>137149999
Only the revisionist communists dislike them and almost exclusively Trotskyists and leftcoms. While M-L`s and Market socialists stand in unison with ideas of socialist patriotism.

Also the anti-identity politics surge in the hard left is changing how communist parties act, resent infighting in communist party of Canada is good proof of this.
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>>137130023
Forced labor, North Korea
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>>137133923
>Bolsheviks, including Jewish Bolsheviks, were hostile to Judaism.
Do you realize that this is the whole "the Jews ALWAYS win" argument?

The ones that are hostile to the religion are loyal only to the people (other Jews). Sure, you may have a position of power among them but their entire intent is to pilfer the wealth of a nation and then move on to the next, just as they have always done. It matters not if they are religious Jews.
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>>137150729
Well, I hope you "alt-left" autists can clean-up your side, because if not we're both screwed.

Attacking white nationalism 90% more than you attack other forms of nationalism/SJWism is not a good start for you.
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>>137150306
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>>137130023
Starving children in North Korea
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>>137150974
You completely missed the point then since due to those trade surpluses native farming would have been irrelevant since country would have been able to import enough food anyways.
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>>137148268

100 million or 65-93 million deaths, excluding intentional neglect and famine

muh communism!

oh, and don't complain to totalitarian-fascist dear leader that goes by "director"
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>>137151204
That's what Cheka is for.
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>>137130023
bye bye lenin
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>>137130023
North Korea
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>>137150970
>deportation equals death
>holdmor happened

Top classcuck.
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>>137150929
Perhaps you commies should try harder, considering every state you've ever infested has collapsed or is in economic ruin.

Plus you look like smelly degenerates
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>>137150970
Population grew under Stalin. Shut up and leave this board.
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>>137150306
Communism is literally an r-selection ideology.
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>>137151199
Do you realize that the whole "jews run everything therefor jews are bad" is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well?
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>>137151236
Cool story
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>>137151551
>births happen faster than deaths, therefore deaths didn't happen
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>>137151326
Which they can't afford, which is your original argument that 'we have enough food to feed 11-12bil people. Why should we care to feed them? What have they done for us?
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>>137151550
>capitalism cannot survive without state intervention
> CIA invests millions is coups globally to stop the spread of communism

Leave you shill fuck, you're too stupid to think.
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>>137151542
Yea he exiled him in Siberia with only their clothes.

Ever been there?
Its a dead sentence.

Its a death
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>>137151554
Are you in every communist thread? Fuck off
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>>137151828
This again to repeat the point has to do with farming subsidies and not so much with food production but relevant prices and tariffs. Without world trade organization there probably would be no starvation in Africa since they could run their own farming subsidies + tariffs on food, controlling the prices like Europe does.
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>>137151813
Self defense. Deontological ethics. Utilitarianism
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>>137151918
Stop making these threads, and I won't have to BTFO you.
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>>137151870
>commies actually believe state-fabricated fake news
top kek
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>>137151871
No it was not since many people survived form the gulags (rehabilitative labor camp).
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>>137130023
Child famine victims, USSR, 1930s
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>>137152311
> only trusts anonymous users on a un-moderated anime forum

Nice projection shill, btfo.
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>>137151445
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>>137151733
Here's another nasty ass looking communist. Do they not believe in showers?
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kek delusional cucks abound
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>>137152241
So you admit the famine happened, but it was "necessary"?

Pro tip: It was a power grab by Western Russsian urbanite Bolshevik bureaucrats to control all farming. They also did a shitty job of it.
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>>137152488
>Holdmorinfo.com
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>>137152311
>american flag
>this post
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>>137152145
>implying they have the mental capacity to do so

Explain why they can't grow food to atleast feed themselves the bare minimum.
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>>137130714
/thread
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>>137134194
Well, where's the rest?
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>>137152567
>The triggered leftist will then spew bullshit before declaring victory and closing the tab
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>>137152372
Only the criminals survived you know thieves and rapists murderers.
They could be "rehabilitated"

It was when you didn't didn't do anything wrong you had to worry like the Kulaks political prisoners.

Funny thing communism.
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>>137152666
What are you trying to prove? You can look for pictures of people you find unattractive. Well fuck, if cherry picking is a valid substitute for argument you're a bigger cuck than I first thought.
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>>137130023
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>>137130023
Khmer Rouge victims
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>>137130023
Cambodia—the Pinnacle of Red Insanity
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>>137130023
Piles of skulls at the Choeung-Ek Killing Fields
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>>137152920
Do you even make sense to yourself? Do you even try to?
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>>137152488
Look at those bellies full of bread of the proletariat, how could they be starving xaxaxa!
This is what porkies truly believe in.
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>>137130023
OP faps to this
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>>137152808
Because imported food is cheaper due to western farming subsidies, and thanks to World bank`s conditions for revising any loans you are expected to remove all forms of protectionism and turn over to free trade(+ to get rid of welfare and government programmes like farming subsidies). This leads into circumstances where farming of food is not economically viable but cash crops is. Ultimatly this means that only those with employment can afford to buy food but there can be shortages on the food supply chain since it relies in imports.
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>>137130023
Communism
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>>137153037
>>137153142
>>137153248
>>137153355
STFU Shill
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>>137153603
Why can't the African countries provide farming subsidies to their own farmers and produce cheaper food?
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Socialism is a mental disorder
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>>137130023
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>>137146740
not just one faggot, lots of them.
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Capitalists have killed far MORE than communist ever has or ever will. Fuck off shills
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>>137153877
[citation needed]
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>>137130023
Communism: deadliest ideology of all times
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>>137153666
>>137152721
>>137152372
>>137152241
Communists cannot into reality
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>>137153847
Reread the post you replied and keep reading the first comma.
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>>137153847
Colonialism.
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Communism General Thread, get in here comrades!
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>>137153847
It is part of world bank`s loan conditions, to cut welfare and create budget surplus via means of austerity. Without these loans these countries would start to collapse as their economy relies mostly on imports therefor they will need foreign money on reserve.

It is an unending cycle that cannot be changed.
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>>137154196
>>137153986

4 u:
>>137153666
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>>137154111
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>>137130023
Famine victims, USSR 1920s
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>>137151729
Do you realize that Jews have an insanely disproportionate amount of political, monetary, and economical power per their population size and their religion and mode of survival for nearly 3000 years was to exploit other nations for their own benefit, per their religious texts and doctrines which are not any secret but are laid right out in the open for anyone to investigate? Or are you just intentionally denying it because it is way too much to handle?

Come on man. If a group of dogs, or horses, or cattle, or mice, or birds, or whatever, are bred to have certain behavioral and instinctual characteristics over the course of time then why does that not apply to humans? Are we some special exception in the animal kingdom?
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>>137154412
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>>137154203
Great argument, shill.
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>>137130023
Starvation in Maoist China
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Capitalists, prove to me your system is good and that we should keep it. Defend your ideology.
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such a great idealism ,Russia abandon it 20yrs ago .why jump over to the capitalist side ?
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>>137154283
That was long ago, what is their recent excuse?
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>>137130023
Socialist reality in Venezuela
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>>137130714
Pretty much.
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>>137153986
>Holodomor
>Death by capitalists

This is what faggots actually believe
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>>137154524
there were a few famines caused by capitalism to y'know. More deaths in fact.
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>>137154842
Most Russians regret it. As do most people that lived under socialism.
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>>137154524
It's pointless to show commies all the horror they've inflicted on the innocent. They just laugh and dream about more mass murder and famine. Sociopaths are naturally attracted to socialism for this reason.
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>>137130023
Remains of victims of communism
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>>137155090
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>>137154582
Regardless it is an logical fallacy and not an argument even if you were right.
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>>137155153
"""innocent"""
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>>137155062
Kulaks burned their grain because they wouldn't give it up. Instead of feeding people, the burned it because they couldn't get money for it. So yes, capitalism caused it.
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>>137154886
Who knew that when you clean a store you usually empty it form all the goods?
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>>137155207
Everyone who lived under socialism, wants it back. Funny how that works, almost as if capitalist sucks and socialism is better.
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>>137155090
I'm sure most russians also regretted the tsars death after the revolution.
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>>137130023
Venezuela, the dream of OP
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>>137154840
I think there's a general trend in humans for some to be retarded leechs, and a smaller percentage to be smart and have leadership charcteristics and determination. The latter people should be given control over resources and production (AKA: capital) in order to run the society more effectively. Also, people who are closer to their resources and means of production, and have been trained in them their whole life, tend to be better at managing them than a handful of bureaucrats with poli-sci degrees in a capital city many miles away.

There are many points in-between (such as NatSoc, Juche, etc.), but this is the general idea I have.

I feel like it's evident that many non-whites or non-East-Asian people are too dumb and savage to let the "proletariat" control society. It would be like letting a drunken monkey drive a car.
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>>137155153
>enemies of people
>innocent
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>>137130023
Venezuela, OP's favorite country
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>>137130023
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>Our entire ideology is based on a series of glaring contradictions but it's ok because a paradox is a sustainable and naturally occurring thing
Communism will never not be a joke whose punchline is the death of it's supporters.
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>>137155587
They don't want to bring back the monarchy, though.
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>>137130023
Venezuala's well fed chilren, thanks to socialism
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>>137155330
Fucking this, those greedy fucking kulaks even ate their own children after they burned their own precious life saving grain of the proletariat. If only they had just shared those crops.
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>>137130023

Move out of your daddy's home and give him back your toys. Then we'll talk, op.
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>>137155626
Point proven
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>>137154886
>>137154713
>>137154524

kek shills

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Worlds-1st-Skin-Cancer-Drug-Available-in-Every-Cuban-Pharmacy-20170809-0027.html
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>>137130023
Venezuela, the land of plenty, OP faps to this
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>>137156134
woooow https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/53853/cubas-healthcare-horror-humberto-fontova
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>>137154840
Money doesn't grow on trees.

So as long you didn't invent a machine that can just spew out stuff and food like in startrek.

You have to compete.

Nothing is granted, everything has to be worked for, and wealth created so more people can live in confidence.
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>>137130023
People queuing in Venezuela, OP's wet dream
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>>137156302
>>137156302
>>137156302
>>137156302

Next thread.
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>>137156019

Those kulaks probablydidn't want commie bums to have it. Can't blame em.
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>>137155507
delusional idiots gonna delusional
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>>137130023
OP will cum to this
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>>137155507

The fuck they do lol. I work with someone who lived through that. She recalls the spitting and beatings her pregnant mother got for moving to front of food lines because she was pregnant. She remembers the revolution, she remembers how they were able to leave finally after revolution and came here to get away from what socialism did to them and their home. She abso-fucking-lutley does not want to go back to socialism, ever. What a faggot you are.
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>>137155623
>I think there's a general trend in humans for some to be retarded leechs
True, in capitalism you have jobless welfare recipients. In the USSR you had 100% employment. Everyone contributed.

>and a smaller percentage to be smart and have leadership charcteristics and determination
I agree but capitalism does not reward the smart, alpha, leaders. In the USSR, free education ensured anyone who was capable was able to fulfill their maximum potential whether an engineer, scientist, or military leader. This is why the USSR was so dangerously effective. Military and political masterminds were able to subvert the US from within. The CIA was having trouble keeping up and just stuck to brute force sabotaging third world countries.

>The latter people should be given control over resources and production (AKA: capital) in order to run the society more effectively.
Being a capitalist has no correlation on any redeeming traits. A capitalist essentially just collects passive income, much like a king. If you think these parasites should be rewarded you are severely deluded. Capitalism is not meritocratic.
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>>137156502
>post survey numbers
>get called delusional
okay
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>>137156604
How old is she faggot. She didn't live through the USSR, just the collapse.
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>>137156187
>>137156001
>>137155867
>>137154886

Cherry picking Venezuela is dumb. Please provide a more nuanced analysis. What are you actually talking about? V's problems are many.
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>>137155240
Sure it might be a logical fallacy. Are there good Jews out there? Of course! There are also good pitbulls, but I wouldn't leave my daughter alone in a room with one just because a few of them are nice.

Not a single culture or people in history has ever spoken a decent thing about the Jewish people as a whole and that speaks volumes about their attitudes and intentions to other people especially when residing in their lands and societies.

I take simple cautious approach when it comes to Jews and their ideas about how another people's society should function. They have a notorious track record of benefiting only their own.
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>>137130023
Socialist miracle in Venezuela, OP jizzes in his pants seeing this
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>>137156553
>>137156752
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>>137156720
Well you're delusional as well but I was talking about the people that were surveyed.
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>>137156817
Oh fuck you're just the same shill posting the same thing. Desperate cuck.
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>>137130023
Venezuela people playing "Find something edible in the garbage" game, traditional pastime in communist countries. OP gets a hardon
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>>137157038
Keep bumping cuck.
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