Tesla on suicide watch - Porsche will introduce 15min supercharge

>>137097248

Probably 3 years away!

>>137097248

Tesla should worry

Porsche doesn't fuck around

Will they be cheating tests like all filthy German companies like (((wolskwagen)))?

>>137097248

This doesn't hurt Tesla the economies of scale will help them until a certain point. I.e. more people buying electric cars means more support for infrastructure to support them.

Even if Tesla fails, you forget Musk still has his fucking SPACE PROGRAM along with the Hyperloop.

Please, please I'm begging you, tell me that the guy who made online payments, electric cars and privatized space will fail with the Hyperloop, I'm begging you please.

>>137097248
And three time the price

>>137097248
Will cost twice as much as a Tesla I bet.
That's the only negative

>>137097380
>Probably 3 years away!
Nope, exists already. Works in Berlin.

>>137097248
>Why do Americans hate e-cars so much?
because they cost too much and most of them look stupid

>>137097591
>Will they be cheating tests like all filthy German companies like (((wolskwagen)))?

>buying into the US propaganda which is part of the trade war against Germany

Ok then, whatever you say, you bluepilled kid.

we haven't really had diesel passenger cars here since the 80s

>posting in an /o/ raid thread

>implying Tesla isn't done by a scam artist as everything he did post paypal

>>137097248
Probably going to cost $150,00+

>>137097600
>This doesn't hurt Tesla the economies of scale will help them until a certain point.
What "economies of scale"? Porsche manufactures a fuckton more cars than Tesla.

>>137097634
>And three time the price
The Tesla X costs 160k (with extras) in Germany. A Porsche 911 costs 120k (with extras).

>>137097248
No e-fag cars in madmax.

>>137097248
Car's gonna explode. Fast charge batteries like that are a dangerous meme.

>>137097248
>Europe gets hit by EMP or solar flares or hackers take down parts of the grid
>suddenly society grinds to a halt because transport is completely crippled
>EU goes back into the stone age
>Sven and Hans go to work at the cheese and sausage factory in their horse drawn cart
>get mugged by 35 year old refugee children who hold them down and rape their horse

>>137097762
>because they cost too much and most of them look stupid
They just cost more than non e-cars, because you don't tax the diesel and gasoline cars with the costs of the health effects from their exhausts.

Will they be cheating tests like all filthy German companies like (((wolskwagen)))?

>>137097835
Chinese will do it faster and better. What does it feel to be in the past kraut and amerilards?

>>137097248
>Porsche
>2017

Thank you, but I don't want any of the new German's halal engineering, Ahmed.

Reminder that this is what Germany is like now:
http://archive.is/reMDF

>>137097248

because we love roaring engines and we're not faggots

Cool

Hope the free market isn't fucked with so car companies actually compete

>>137098174
Ahmmm, Aussie, none of the new cars in America would work after an EMP - regardless of whether they are e-cars or gasoline cars. It is the sensors and electronics which gets smoked.

Remember all the warnings on batteries?

>do not crush

https://youtu.be/IQdnb0iRAQA?t=5m20s

Imagine this but the size of a car.

>>137098262
>the Porsche quality decreased according to meme posters
Kys faggot

>>137098209
>Chinese will do it faster and better.
China has tried to build a working car for 30yrs. Have you ever seen a working Chinese car?

>>137097750
nobody works in Berlin.

>>137097248
Paid those fines for the faked Volkswagen emission levels yet Fritz?

>>137098443
>implying there aren't plenty of mid 90's or earlier cars on the road in the US.

Good. Serves that kike cunt Musk right

>>137098542

They're all shitty knock offs of European cars, it's pretty funny. Reminds me of that Katanka guy from Africa.

>>137097248
How are you going to generate all that electricity? :^)

>>137097248
Fuck Tesla anyways. Several years ago they shut down their Michigan office and sent all the employees an email that nobody got because they couldn't get in the office and when they arrived they saw that they no longer had jobs. This jewish behavior alone is reason enough to boycott Tesla and kill the owners, executives, and their family member. Kill the family members first of course for maximum impact. I hate this country. We need to kill all leftists and jews.

>>137098628
>implying this wasn't ally economy penalty method when Volkswagen and German economy is getting too strong for the rest of the world to compete

>>137098449
What are solid state batteries? Bosch is pushing this option to Porsche hard - at least for the second gen of Mission E Porsches... to come to market in 2021 - after next year's first gen Mission E introduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuwqGj3UAHE

>>137098542
are you kidding? chinese have fine knock offs of european cars. of course they arent the best, but the point is they dont need to be. not everyone economy is centered around making gud cars and knives.

>>137098029
For a German you really do make horrible comparisons.

Im all in favor of Porsche but comparing a model X with a 911 makes no sense at all.

Performance of the tesla models is on par with the turbo s versions so if anything you should compare the price of the top spec Model S with that of a Panamera Turbo S.

Gee, I don't know OP, could it be because they're obscenely expensive?

>>137098782
anything fuel-injected wouldn't work

>>137098628
>Paid those fines for the faked Volkswagen emission levels yet Fritz?
Yes, Volkswagen paid the trade war extorsion fine.

Also: Volkswagen did nothing wrong.

That's what happens when private enterprise (Porsche) meets a narcissistic gubbernmint welfare queen (Musk)

>>137099001
Wew lad.

>>137097248
I cannot afford a porsche

>>137097248
>Electricity cells can't keep their charge in cold temperatures.
>accelerate faster but less top speed than explosion engines
>no engine sound
>You can't fix most of the parts
>e-cars are the easiest to hack/disable

For cucked wage slaves it's perfect to go from A to B in a town when it's not freezing. Not so much for anything else. E-racing got traction because of government pushing for further development but it's just like female hockey/football:here to be politically correct, not to showcase the best of the best.

>>137099174
>Performance of the tesla models is on par with the turbo s versions
wud?

The Tesla X is a shitty plastic car. That's all. That is why it is a meme car here in Germany, only sold to idiot foreigners living in Germany.

Why do Americans hate e-cars so much?


We don't. Make them affordable for all and we'll all be electrical until the EMP!!! HA!

>>137099493
>I cannot afford a porsche
Wow. How do you even hook up with 7/10s and above?

>>137097248
>Europe is about to go all-electric
How are you going to make all that electricity?

If you're not buying fuel anymore, then we'll get to buy it all for cheap. Noice.

>>137099556
>>no engine sound
That is good, mate.

>>137099556
>You can't fix most of the parts
Electric cars literally do not need any fixing. Electric motors are incredibly simple and so is their connection to the batteries.

Trust me, I have been building model e-cars back in the 1990s like crazy and compared to gasoline model cars, they were WAY easier to handle.

Do the batteries get shittier over time like in phones?

>>137097923
Tesla basically obliterated the high end luxury market, so I'm not surprised that other companies are, finally, coming out with competitive electrics. If Tesla had never shown up, I guarantee you this porsche electric wouldn't exist.

Telsa doesn't have too much to worry about from competition with other car manufacturers though, since the company is also invested in batteries and solar. So long as Tesla keeps bringing prices on electrics down, keeps increasing production capacity, and keeps expanding their battery and solar production, they're in a good way.

>>137097248
Good reason to get me another Porche. Best cars I've ever owned. Too bad it's out of reach of normal people.

>>137099735
>How are you going to make all that electricity?

E-cars don't actually need that much electricity. Also, we actually got a shitton of coal. Our coal power plants only run 50% on average - we could charge 10 million cars right now, just with the capacity we have from cheap coal.

>>137097248

>gas and diesel cars
>ugly

contemporary designers should be executed

>>137098209
The only thing the chinese are good at is sucking the dick of people they export their shit to.

>>137099556
>electric cars have battery warmers for cold temp
>electric cars with transmissions have higher top speeds
>don’t have engines, have motor sound
>you can fix anything in an electric car
>e-cars will be as hackable as regular cars

>>137097248
Nice vaporware faggot, welcome to 2012. Now make 80,000 electric cars every year like Tesla and come talk here. Germancucks are on suicide watch ever since Tesla S came out.

>>137097248
15 min charge will destroy the longevity of the battery. That’s why Tesla doesn’t do it.

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>>137097248
and then there coomes the murican again: "but g-germany is ex-exporting t-too much to the US o- of A"

then fuckign start developing your own shit, murica. your science/tech education is shit.

also youre full of niggers.

alt right uprising wont help murica anymore. youre done

>>137097248
Just googled and it said its just a "concept study"... theres even a youtube video with nice 3d animation and some gadgets thheey envisioned. Unclear if they have the tech for charging ready

>>137097248
>put solar panels on roof
>no need to charge ever again

>>137099976
Yeah, tesla's shown their batteries plateau at 90% of the original charge though

i just don't understand ppl who drive electric cars.

do you really not fee like a fucking faggot driving some gay piece of shit that makes weird buzzing sounds?

>>137098509
No need to get your ass hurt, Ahmed.

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>>137100276
>Now make 80,000 electric cars every year like Tesla and come talk here.
Even fucking Renault-Nissan makes more fully electric cars than Tesla. Tesla is a meme.

>>137097248
Someone redpill me on telsa cars. Are they good, do they save alot of $?

>>137098542
Because they were communist retards for a long time. The tide is turning back and soon they'll be the ones imposing sanctions on naziland. What does it feel hans? They got more resources less regulation and cheaper labour.

>>137097248
I still don't understand what the elite is trying to accomplish with their electric car agenda.

>>137098443
I just wanna know how you'd feel in this scenario

>2023, 2 years since the great blackout
>you and Sven navigate through streets blocked with dead electric cars
>why oh why didn't you stay with gasoline?
>Helga, your horde suddenly rears up
>theres refugee children ahead
>"Hey käsepimmel, yeah you! I want to ficki ficki your slut horse" Muhammed yells
>you sigh in resignation. It would be culturally insensitive not to let them
>you look at your wristwatch as the minutes tick by
>you're already 20 minutes late for work
>Achmed takes his turn with Helga and stares directly in your eyes as he pounds her surprisingly wet vagina
>He grunts as he finishes inside her
>"We're done now, you can go. Schnell schnell, you'll be late Hans!" Achmed says as he zips up his fly and leaves
>Helga suddenly breaks free of her reigns and follows Achmed and Muhammed through the maze of dead electric cars
>as she walks away you can see the refugee children's rich fertile seed dripping from her gaping vagina
>she looks back at you with a look of pity and disgust
>it's going to take at least an hour to drag the cart to work, Mr Noseberg won't be pleased.

What would you feel Hans? Sadness or the exhilarating stabbing pain and joy of cuckholdry?

>>137100727
Not true. Tesla’s that use supercharger exclusively can show as much as 85% battery cap with less than 30,000 miles.

>>137099977
So you're saying it takes mediocrity on steroids to change technology for the better? Tessa sucks. It only exists to sell/trade carbon tickets. Junk science, junk tech, junk economics. No more subsidies for the welfare queen.

>>137100727

Everyone will be driving electric cars

>>137098174
>Europe gets hit by EMP or solar flares or hackers take down parts of the grid
>EMP
>hackers
stupid convict, real life isnt like call of duty

>>137100422
>15 min charge will destroy the longevity of the battery.
Not the new Bosch batteries. They have a new generation of battery tech.

> That’s why Tesla doesn’t do it.
No, Tesla doesn't do it, because they don't have working tech for real supercharging.

Porsche isn't kidding, they are going ahead with actually useable cars. I mean, who wants to wait 45 min for a Tesla supercharge from 20% to 80%? But 15min? That's going to the bathroom, checking out the new Playboy at the newspaper stand, getting a coffee, checking your whatsapp and doing 2min of yoga and off you go.

>>137100692
>Yeah, tesla's shown their batteries plateau at 90% of the original charge though
That's lithium batteries in general. Fully discharging them is bad, so they have a 10-20% safety margin.

>>137100854
>ass hurt
>>>/reddit/

>>137097248
tesla is shit quality... serious go look at some of the shit that hits the road.

of course germans are going to figure it out first. the god damn E Class has been the baseline for what will be standard on everything in 10 years since fucking electric windows...

if you think some closet homo named Elon was going to make a good car you were smoking something

>>137100875
>Renault + Nissan + Mitsubishi + Other

Lmao it takes 3 car conglomerates of the world to beat a 10 year old startup American company. AYYYYY FUCKING LMAOOO EUROPOORS

>>137100982
gas cars need a battery to start

>>137100945
fucking elite and their clean air!!!

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>>137100621
>Just googled and it said its just a "concept study"...
Porsche is spending $1.16 billion to overhaul its Stuttgart plant in order to introduce the Mission E in 2019, Reuters reported. The Mission E is a four-door, battery-powered saloon and could become a serious Tesla rival.

2019 introduction with 1.2 billion going into production as we speak... a concept study?

>>137101147
I can fill my gas tank in 3 minutes and go 300 miles.

>>137101101
>making video game references

Look kid I've never played any of your Call of Faggots games I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>137099556
Implying acceleration is not more important than top speed aside from track days and that 1 times per year the Autobahn is empty enough to break above 250.

>>137101365
Lead acid batteries are as basic as fuck. I highly doubt they'd short from anything like an emp

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>>137099556
God damn, I love watching Rally, and there are dorks unironically hoping for electric only Rally cars in 5 years. Gross

>>137100256
>Being a retard

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>>137101278
>Lmao it takes 3 car conglomerates
Dude, that are three brands which are ONE conglomerate. They are selling THE SAME car under different brands.

>>137101147
Tesla's batteries are proven, Bosch's are not. Call me when Porsche has something to show for.

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>>137097600
The space program is a hoax and Elon Musk knows this.

>>137101101
Have you ever heard of a power outage?

Tesla is just a meme company

>>137101244
>implying I even visit that shithole
Not an argument, Ahmed. Germany and its products are slowly turning into shit tier and you know it. That is why you're so desperately trying to defend it.

>>137101410
Tesla invests that much every quarter. LMAO Europoors on suicide watch!

>>137097248
I think every white country should seek alternative to petrol, since that is what makes shitskins rich. As soon as Europe and USA stops buying their oil, they will go back to fucking goats in deserts.

>>137097835
Merkel only cares about money
you faggots pretend to be so progressive and love the environment and act like you're on the moral high ground
but in reality all you Germans are good at doing is scamming the populace, polluting the air, and importing islam
you're worse than china

>>137100276


You're so massively retarded it hurts.

An established manufacturer that's apart of VAG which is pretty much one of the largest car companies will have trouble with infrastructure for mass production of vehicles

Tesla doesn't make anywhere close to 80k vehicles a year, in fact they have always had production problems considering they started from scratch.

Also lol at calling a Porsche product vaporware when Porsche has a pretty constant history of delivering what they say they will

>>137100727
Electrics are going to become cheaper than ICE

I'm sure you won't believe me, but you'll see it within 10 years and probably within 5. $10,000 new electric vs $30,000 new ICE.

Electrics have way, way, way, fewer parts. Simpler to design and build. Cheaper to maintain. There is no question about this - the technology itself is proven, electrics work. Now it's just a slow roll towards mass production and decreasing battery costs. Tesla's got their Model 3 out within a year or so, that'll be a few hairs over the price of a new ICE.

Whatever they bring to market after the Model 3 will probably fill in niches - truck, coupe, etc. Might just be Model 3 variants for all of that.

Then the model after the Model 3 will be their $15,000 - $25,000 car and that's when everyone who buys a new vehicle starts buying electric. It'll be like how, one year, nobody cared much for smartphones, and the next year everyone had an iphone.

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>>137097248
CNG is the way and the truth. Fuck (((electric))) (((cars)))

German cars are for gooks and salam/shalom sandniggers

>>137101416
>I can fill my gas tank in 3 minutes and go 300 miles.
And do you do that? Have you timed how long it takes from getting out of your car until you drive onto the road again?

On average it is 8min these days. So we are literally talking about 7min here.

>>137098566
hehehhehe true. and sad. also funny.

>>137100875
>Outlander PHEV
>fully electric
kek

>>137098174
>Sven and Hans go to work at the cheese and sausage factory
KEK`d

>>137099560
I said performance. Im not talking about the quality of the interior pieces.

The Tesla S top spec is about half as expensive and goes 0-100 almost a second faster than the Panamera.

Id personally, if money was not the issue, buy the Panamera, but if you try to configure a Panamera for the same price you'll be stuck with a Diesel or the weakest petrol without even being able to pick all the options.

>>137101147
Bullshit. People have been hyping battery tech for years with x(x) capacity and x(x) charging speed. It never comes to market. The manufacturing costs are too high to make it practical.

Bosch isn’t ahead of anyone in battery tech or people would be using Bosch batteries and not a Samsung/Panasonic.

Literally a delusional German.

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>>137097248

I don't hate electric cars. They have a great amount of power and acceleration, the torque they produce is nuts, the only things which have been stopping most people from being early adopters are:

1. Charges not giving a great range or lasting very long. North America is a large place, and drivers here frequently cover more ground as part of a regular commute than drivers in European nations. We need vehicles which will get us somewhere and back without issue.

2. Charge time. I really do hope Porsche can deliver on the 15 minute charge claims, and improve upon it. For many people, going to a gas station is convenient because it only takes 5-10 minutes depending on what you're doing there. I can show up on empty with a range of <5 miles, and leave 8 minutes later with a car which can transport me 380 miles away.

3. Convenient access to fuel. There are not a lot of charging stations yet. I've seen a few popping up here and there, but compared to the availability of gasoline, there aren't many places to get a charge.

4. Battery wear and replacement. The batteries which fuel electric cars have been constantly improving, but there are still issues and limitations with/on battery life. Depth of charge, frequency of charges, high speed vs. low speed charge, all of these play a role in how quickly a battery cell goes bad. You will likely not have to replace a fuel tank or fuel pump in the lifetime of a gas powered vehicle, but you may for your electric car and it may be extremely expensive to replace.

5. Trucks and other work vehicles are still a long way away. Americans love trucks and SUVs. I can't explain it because I own neither, but people really really love them. Making a lightweight passenger sedan into an electric vehicle with a good enough range for people to buy into it has been enough of a challenge, making a heavy, sturdy work vehicle is an even greater one.

>>137101835
Yes, I have timed it, actually. It doesn't take long to fill a 10 gallon tank.

>>137101654
lol Mitsubishi, Renault and Nissan ARE conglomerates and they only manage to make pic retated shit-tier cars which look like abortions. Meanwhile Tesla makes Masterrace luxury-tier cars who BTFO Ferraris and Lambos off the line. How can Japcucks and Europoors ever compete?

What happens to the petrodollar if Electric cars replace gasoline/diesel?

>>137101657
>Tesla's batteries are proven, Bosch's are not.
Are you kidding me?

1. They aren't Tesla's batteries, but the tech comes from Panasonic (which is also bidding for the Mission E to be one of the suppliers).

2. Bosch is a major company. If they pitch for a contract with deliveries next year, they have the tech.

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>purchased a factory in California
>Will build car in 2018
>Has even faster charging then a Porsche

Wewlads

>>137100011
Porsche has reached out to the middle class heavily. Anyone with an average job in a 2-earner middle class family can buy a young second handed Cayenne, Macan or Boxster these days.

Surely isnt as out of reach as it used to be.

>>137097248
Because making the batteries for e-cars is way worse for the environment than gasoline.

>>137101747
>Tesla invests that much every quarter.
"Invests"? Nope, it doesn't. It loses that much money each quarter.

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>>137101410
So what?
2019 is a long way ahead. The competition will not sit on their hands and waiting for them to finish, you know?

>>137101799
Kek Tesla made 25k cars the first quarter of 2017. That means they're gonna make at least 100k cars this year dumbass. Go shill somewhere else >>137100875

>>137097248
Baka-hanz-desu, Musk's plan was to help drive the electric car market using luxury cars to popularize it and start a competitive market for it.

We thrive on competition and the best car will win.

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>>137101976

For many in North America, they will not give a shit about electric until it comes to trucks and SUVs, but once it does - and it will, I believe if there are electric motors which can haul a heavy load over 350 miles and recharge almost as fast as you can fill a tank with gas, people should not have any reason to buy anything else. The torque from electric motors is excellent and should be a huge asset not just for trucks but for all terrain vehicles, off-roading, etc.

Most people think Americans hate electric technology for the sake of doing so or for the sake of saying "fuck the environment" but I've not really found that to be true. I think that most people are just siding with the type of vehicle which has the most upside at the moment. Tesla will continue improving, other car companies will decide to try and knock them down a peg, and the technology will hopefully continue to advance through competition to the point where we finally have some electric cars which are true replacements for gasoline powered vehicles rather than simply alternatives.

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America has Tesla, fisker, lucid, Faraday future, Karma, Rivian, and all the companies have a future

Germans have a shitty cuck BMW and some concept car

>>137101918
>The Tesla S top spec is about half as expensive and goes 0-100 almost a second faster than the Panamera.
When the Tesla S wins against a Porsche on the Nordschleife, I am all ears. Until then, the Tesla is just another American plastic car for me - just like a Corvette or a Mustang (both of which have long lost their 1960s charme).

>>137097248
I will switch to an electric car when:
>it's affordable
>Their mileage per charge is bigger than mileage per charge
>it's faster than gas cars
>doesn't make me look like a fag
This is what it takes to put me in an electric car

>>137101813

so they can come up with a battery to power a heavy vehicle for hundreds of miles but they can't come up with a laptop battery that lasts for more than 4 hours?

explain yourselves

Like I love Tesla because they're built in my backyard and it's a local pride thing but seeing retards in this thread thinking the worlds largest and most advanced companies will have trouble with electric cars or battery tech is hilarious

Tesla doesn't have an advantage in any category

>>137100889
They're luxury cars and they do not save you any money. You buy them because you are rich and want an electric.

Electric pros:
Simpler and cheaper to build
Lower (negligible) maintenance costs
Instant torque
High acceleration
Sound cool as fuck but also quiet

Electric cons:
Battery has limited range (~200 - 500km) compared to fuel
Batteries are still very expensive (majority of the car cost comes from the battery)
Temperature can affect range
Some people prefer the loud rumble of explosions to the sci-fi chargeup whine of an electric

>>137102487
>fisker, lucid, Faraday future, Karma, Rivian,

Never heard of them ever. Are these even companies or are you just making up fancy names?

>>137102638
>it's faster than gas cars
How fast do you need to go? Unless you live in Montana there's no reason to ever go faster than 80 mph.

>>137097248
Because they're an answer to a non-existent problem.

Gas cars are easier and cheaper to produce. It will hurt the world economy to mandate electric cuck cars.

>>137102309
>invested in buildingg the largest battery production plant in the world
Check
>produces more batteries than the ENTIRE WOLRD COMBINED
check
>has the LARGEST charging network in the world
check
>is the only mass produced EV-only company in the world
Check
>worth more than many conglomerates that have been producing cars for decades
Check

Tesla borrows money by the billions and pays back with interests because people know they have an actual product not vaporware compliance cars like Germancucks

>>137101096
The entire car industry gets "welfare subsidies"

And Tesla isn't even close to leading the pack on that. We're talking hundreds of billions, to automakers like Ford. Every thread though, there has to be an idiot like you parroting this. I can't tell if you're genuinely this stupid or paid to be.

>>137101858
>>137098566
My friend works for a tech start-up in Berlin. though most of the times I've been to their offices they're just playing PS4

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>>137097248
>Why do Americans hate e-cars so much?
Electricianfag here.
>1. Our electrical infrastructure is shit
... and getting shittier, because it's a fucking huge job to fix it and everybody is greedy, but also in some places it's illegal to upgrade. It's part of the whole "early adopter" thing, we created electrical generation and distribution, so naturally our shit is the oldest in the world on average. Oh, the illegal to upgrade thing? In at least three states i've worked in, it is illegal for power distribution companies to replace existing wires, electrical posts, etc, unless they are already broken.
>2. We are all over the fucking place.
How far do you live from your employer germa-bro? how far do you have to travel to work on a daily basis? i'm willing to wager it isn't terribly far, because your cities are quite compact. An advantage of having a medieval civil planning process, you live within walking distance of *things*.
At my prior residence, if i needed to purchase *anything* at all, the nearest retail establishment of any sort was 11 miles from my front door. Just checked it on google maps to be 100% accurate. The retail establishment in question? a exxon gas station. Americans after WW2 went into suburbs, and the 80's led to 2nd ring suburbs which are functionally just houses out in agricultural areas. My current job requires that i periodically drive for over an hour at highway speeds to a location which has no electrical power.
>3. We are extremely reliant on a variety of vehicles, which are not available in electric as of yet.
I can't get a pickup truck with a 8' bed in electric yet. Can't get a 4 wheel drive jeep in electric either... imagine a refrigerated box truck running off batteries? It would go dead in a heartbeat.

>>137097510
>Porsche doesn't fuck around
literally this

>>137097762
Pollution and CO2 emissions to produce a car battery far outweighs it's benefits
Recycling car batterys produces a shit ton of CO2 and pollution
It's just so libtards can act all smug well destroying the planet
Elon Musk btfo

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>>137097835
>>137101798
Yes, goys, fight amongst each other. It is the regular people of your countries that are evil, not the (((elite)))

>>137102414
>We thrive on competition and the best car will win.

America hates competition. That is why you voted for Donald Trump, who ran on a protectionist platform and who, on his first day, ended the negotiations with Europe on TTIP and canned TPP... all so that American companies won't have to compete on a level playing field with foreign companies.

>>137101835

Why are you guys so slow? When I stop at the gas station it takes me 20 seconds to put in my card, pick fuel type, enter my code and then like 10 seconds later the pump activates and goes at like a litre per second.

Fills my XF in just over a minute, giving me like 900km range.

Total operation never exceeds 3-4 mins.

>>137102745

my ICE has a clutch. i can get instant torque too

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>>137102793
They all exits

Rivian has a shit ton of money and a factory
Faraday has a factory
Karma sells cars
Fisker rebooted and has a car and a factory
Lucid was given an offer by Ford

>>137102336
>2019 is a long way ahead. The competition will not sit on their hands and waiting for them to finish, you know?
Tesla is planning its own new e-sportscar by 2019...absolutely same timing.

There will be around 8 new e-sportscars introduced in 2019. Let's see who actually gets through to customers... I doubt it is the shitty plastic Teslas.

>>137102336
Wouldn't have expected battery tech to be good enough for semi's yet

>>137102616
When average manager john buys his status luxury car with his bonus he generally cares more about beating people at red lights 5 times a day though.

I know what you're saying and i fully agree but people rarely take a luxury sedan for track days.

I'm so ashamed being a German. I'm sorry for my countrymen.
This porsche trash won't be on the market till 2021 and till then tesla will blow it out without a problem.
I also have no idea how germans defend the carindusty thst literally formed the biggest kartell in human history to rip germans off. Pure stupidity.
Germs really love the self-harm that's why they keep electing Merkel I guess.
Anyway looking forward to leaving this embarrassing shithole and immigrating into the US.

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>>137102961
>>produces more batteries than the ENTIRE WOLRD COMBINED
>check

I am just picking out this one. Do you seriously believe this, as in SERIOUSLY?

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>>137097248
>3 times faster charge than Tesla

Lair, the thing isn't painted red.

>>137102968
Bullsht. Ford and GM get welfare subsidies via the UAW? Nothing like Tesla, the queen of welfare and carbon credit scamming. Leafs are totally stupid.

>>137103398
Color me surprised too...
I really want to know how long that can drive for.

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>>137103564
Name one time Porsche announced a car for a particular year and did not deliver.

>>137103564
>I'm so ashamed being a German.
Hassan, I assume you are a pic related kind of guy.

When will we have Boeing 747 powered by batteries?

>>137103633
>VW is 15 years behind the curve

What a surprise. This is the same company that has an EV that only goes 80 miles lmao. Meanwhile the lamest Tesla goes 220 miles. Fucking LMAO.

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>>137098178
^ he's got a point, you know
on the other hand using an e-car in europe means fostering nuclear power production or some shit
only in murrika or other free countries like that does it make sense
solar powered transportation is the shit

>>137097248
Porsche has a history of electrical cars (and tanks) spontaneously combusting.

>>137103398
Why not?
Long haul trucks comparatively drive less throug city traffic, which is the most taxing kind of traffic concerning efficiency.

>>137097248
>Paying 6 figures for a glorified golf cart

HAHAHAHAH

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>>137103633
GERMANS BTFO.

>>137103985
LOL never. It would probably take one of these Porsche vaporware batteries just to spin up one of the jets for takeoff.

>>137103324
>Let's see who actually gets through to customers
Certainly not the car that only exists on paper.

>>137101692
Solar is going to make centralized power virtually obsolete for the masses. It'll matter for industry, but not your average person.

I already ran the numbers for my own home here in Canada - it would take 20 years to pay off at the current prices, and that's in an area that is rainy 8/10 days of the year, and assumes paying extra on battery storage + grid tie instead of grid tie only, and also assumes utility rates won't increase, which they will.

Since prices on solar is coming down dramatically, and battery prices are ALSO coming down dramatically (Tesla's Powerwall 2 is already double the kwh of the Powerwall 1 for the same price), pretty soon the largest cost of solar is going to be labor and certification (if you grid tie).

If it's close to grid parity and almost viable for me up here, it's already viable for people with the money down south. You're going to see a lot more solar in the next few years than you thought you would.

>>137104139
You've clearly never driven on a US highway.

>>137103894
Do you believe my English would be this good, being named Hassan?
Get real.
What are you proud of being German?
I'm 100 % arian btw.
What do you get out of your braindead, blind shilling?

>>137097248
>Why do Americans hate e-cars so much?
Because it's the most expensive virtue signalling meme yet.

>>137097248
>15 minute charge time
Enjoy your exploding golf cart

>>137104298
>Certainly not the car that only exists on paper.
So you believe the Porsche will win, right? Because the new Tesla Roadster just exists in Musk tweets and Musk interviews.

https://futurism.com/elon-musk-the-next-generation-tesla-roadster-may-achieve-60-mph-in-under-2-seconds/

>>137104353
Maybe in some places, but not here. I live in a massive lake effect shadow, which means we get about 10% sun for 4-6 months of the year.

>>137101761
Saudi Arabia is kind of fucked if they don't diversify their economy.

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>>137104444
>Do you believe my English would be this good, being named Hassan?
I am pretty sure that your German is as bad as it is the case for all Hassans.

>>137104444
>What are you proud of being German?
I am proud of being German, because we have the best country in the world. Only defeatists believe Germany is shit... defeatists and Hassans.

>>137104444
>I'm 100 % arian btw.
Yeah sure, Hassan.

I am blonde and have blue eyes and am 185cm and athletic. Are you?

>>137104644
You seem disproportionally angry, Anon.
Did your girl run off in a Tesla, or something?

>>137104644
Lmao the damage control here is rediculous. I see Teslas everywhere here in Long Island, when I go to San Fran they're like Toyota Corollas, literally everywhere. The only car company that comes close is Nissan and Chevy but their electric cars look like shit.

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>>137097600
>Hyperloop.
lol ok kid

>>137104353
God are you stupid. You think your solar cells will last 20 years? You think there's no environmental cost to produce them? You factor government welfare payments into prices and call that deflation? Thankfully leafs restrict themselves to Canada. Do us a favor, stay there.

>>137102688
The cars literally use laptop batteries.

The problem is that laptop (and phone) manufacturers are retarded and don't put any priority towards long battery life. Else they'd be using better low-power hardware and more battery with better battery control software.

If you know where/what to look for, you can get laptops and phones with decent battery life, but you have to be looking for that explicitly.

>>137104644
Under 2 seconds.

At which speed do people just literally faint due to G forces? Would be funny if theyd push this useless shit too far.

>>137105024
>I am blonde and have blue eyes and am 185cm and athletic.
Post feet pls

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Cool, the more competition for electric cars, the better.

>>137097248
Dont hate cant afford

>>137104269

Elon and his company are meme tier.

Just stop, you are just making yourself look silly.

>>137105574
Don't feel bad, let the rich beta test the things. I would never buy a new car, even if I could afford it.

What is the longevity of electric cars anyway? I can buy a gas car that's 15, 20, 25 years old that runs fine, or needs a little tuneup. I doubt these cars will last that long. Which means the prices need to come down to $3000 or less if they expect it to go mainstream.

>>137105024
>I am blonde and have blue eyes and am 185cm and athletic.
Post pp pls :3

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>>137097248
Ja, Ja - German Car, wunderbar !!!
Dear God, thank you for being born in the best country in the world,
that from the beginning on builds the best cars in the world.

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>>137103081
These posts always remind me of this image

>>137105024
>I am blonde and have blue eyes and am 185cm and athletic.

be my bf plz :3

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>>137105301
What now?

>>137106418
GROSS

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>>137106418

i no longer want you to be my bf :3

>>137099903
Gasoline model cars can usually be fixed with anything provided you know your way around an engine and with a bit of imagination. Electric cars and hybrids may not break as often because they are more simple but when they do break (and not just a faulty connection), you need to change the whole unit. That's why they opted for 4 smaller engines connected to each wheel. Also, engine sound is like music to my ear, dismiss it as a subjective argument if you can't understand this.

>>137100256
>Warmers are powered by what?
If they are powered by electricity, good job on saving energy...
Reusing friction energy is not very efficient in itself enough to keep the battery bay warm: which is the whole floor btw, made in 18650 lithium cells stacked for fully electric cars.
>Higher speed transmission
Now this is bs, doing this would defeat the purpose of being energy efficient because of the higher output required to cells to spin the axis.
>Don't have engine, have motor sound
E-cars larping would be more cringy than civics desu
>you can fix anything
see my response to >>137099903
>e-cars will be as hackable as regular cars
When regulars cars comme equipped with so many network interfaces, yeah ofc. In design by itself, electric cars are more prone to hacking due to OTA updates and can be shutdown with a good ol electric shock.
>>137101460
You are right
>>137101564
Yeah, this would kill the sport so bad. I enjoy watching rally too and there was a full electric car not so long ago that ran finland. It's average speed was good (something like 120kmh) but there was little room for repairs and part of the experience is the absolute madness of the engine sound, which was absent.

>>137106573
I am not gay anyway, so no harm done.

>>137099268
youve ever been to your own country? there areplenty of pre-fuel injection engines around. we usually buy them from cheapo sellers in nevada and arizona

>>137106716
>I am not gay a

I can fix that :3

>>137106418
Can you post your pee pee pls? :3

>>137103764
Every major industry in the world gets billions in "welfare subsidies". I'm not surprised that an easily manipulated moron such as yourself finds this to be ground breaking news.

>>137106863

I was interested too, but what if it's as gross as his feet? :^)

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>>137105251

The current solar technology might not last long enough and may be difficult to produce, but it is constantly improving and has moved way beyond where it was a short while ago. It would be foolish to believe that it couldn't possibly get any better.

It will have a difficult time making progress in most places however without subsidies and things of that sort. You might say something like:

>Why do we need to artificially prop up this inferior source of energy?

Because it may never reach its true potential because the incumbent power sources have had well over 100 years to improve their methods and become more efficient. They are here, permeate every aspect of our societies and are powerful. They will do what they must to hold back a competitive technology so they can continue making money and owning the market. This includes fuel producers/refiners, as well as power generators. None of them want to see solar get better. They see to it that it cannot stand on its own. The game is already rigged against any competing power source.

Welfare payments as you put them create a market which would be snuffed out otherwise. Funding massive R&D projects to advance something like solar power is extremely expensive and will not progress quickly (as it hasn't) unless people adopt it. People won't adopt it when their local coal plant is cheap and easy. I've seen and heard many complaints about government subsidies for this technology in the past and I don't understand it. If we can improve solar technology to be cheap and viable it would be a very big deal for our nation and our allies. It would also help make the environment a bit cleaner which is objectively a positive whether your have a cause or not. I can see arguing against subsidies for lazy niggers on welfare, but I've never really understood wanting to obstruct a potentially fantastic technology.

>>137098566
i do, i work in a refugee center ^^

>>137097248
Is it porsh or porshay?

>>137104269
noice

>>137107061

Porshuh

>>137106990
I'm not into feet. Gotta give him a chance, though. I'm betting it's uncut, thicc af and yummy. :3

Probably $500k.
Tesla on suicide watch.

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>>137107238
>I'm not into feet

I can change that :3

>>137105251
>You think your solar cells will last 20 years?
We already know they will

>You think there's no environmental cost to produce them?
Nobody but anti-intellectual faux "environmentalists" like you care.

>You factor government welfare payments into prices and call that deflation?
I don't get any subsidies from the government for installing solar power.

This is just a publicity stunt. Deliver a car on the road or stfu.

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>>137107318

>>137097248

Supercharges in 15 minutes!!!!!1

>...and has to be replaced every year when it can no longer hold a charge.

There's a reason why we don't rapidly charge batteries.

>>137107255
>Probably $500k.
poorfags on suicide watch

>>137098029
What actually matters are the plebs models.
There is no economics for $50k+ vehicles.
And I'm being overly optimistic.
Most people won't pay more than $10k for a car.

>>137107468

what did she mean by this

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Electric is the future whether you like it or not.

All for the low low price of 300,000 dollars

>>137107318
Seriously it doesn't do anything to me. I'm more of a butt, arms, pecks and pp guy. Also I love dom guys. I'm pretty submissive.

>>137097248
We like all cars, I am still waiting for the Focus Electric or some other brand to make an electric car that is more for the common man, and is not part of the Tesla cult

>>137107741

http://imgur.com/a/tY0eM

I only top, but I'm not really dominant. Plus, I'm not really hung, but at least I'm uncut :3

>>137107651
>Most people won't pay more than $10k for a car

wat

>>137106052
I don't even understand how you could come to the conclusion that they wouldn't last as long as ICE. ICE is a maintenance nightmare.

The basic parts of an electric are simpler, and there's a lot fewer parts. The only thing that wouldn't last 25+ years is the battery - and honestly with 25 years of battery development involved you'd want to replace it anyways.

In a hundred years the only ICE in existence are going to be antiques marveled at the same way people view horse-drawn carriages today.

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>>137097248
>Use fossil fuels to make cake
>Use fossil fuels to indirectly power car
>This is good for the environment because "out of sight, out of mind"

Is this the power of green energy?

>>137097248
Mine Golf diesel is superior to those electric toys. Dildos are battery charged, heavy machines are on diesel. Take diesel pill, it's more efficient and cooler.

>>137108155
yes. Energy storage is a tough problem to solve. All the emphasis on battery technology is great.

Also electric engines are very efficient in comparison to internal combustion

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>>137108352
>Energy storage is a tough problem to solve

Not for Americans :^)

>>137108053
This, I won't spend more than 20k for a car. If it is more than that I expect high end Luxury. I rode in my friend's tesla once and it just wasn't on par with other luxury cars and the interior felt cheap for the price he paid for the car.

>>137107651
>What actually matters are the plebs models.
Wrong.

What matters are the premium models. Most of the Volkswagen group value is due to Audi and Porsche.

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>>137106418
I'm sorry I asked.

15 minutes of charge time??? HOLY AMPS!!!... one mistake/ socket malfunction and it fries a person standing to it by a lightning of fury...

not to mention electrical infrastructure is not built to withstand this amount of "casual" power drain. Just a few cars charging as fast as this in an area can cause a massive power outage.

>>137107883
Oh gosh, it's you. We've spoken before on here.

You're too twinkish for me, sorry bud. :3

>>137097248
Europe is not going electric any time soon. You are a fool.

>>137108352
>Also electric engines are very efficient in comparison to internal combustion
How efficient are the coal plants used to power the engines?

>>137108658

I'm struck with the eternal babyface curse too ^^

>>137108447
That's chemical storage, not electrical storage.

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>>137108447
>>137108447
>>137108447
>>137108447

>>137108447
we are ahead of the curve

Also the gigafactory in Nevada, USA will produce more battery storage than rest of the world combined. Good job europe maybe one day your shit continent will get it's own TESLA, USA company, owned factory built for your braindead people.

>>137108548
But that's not what Tesla is about.
They're about bringing electric vehicle utopia upon the plebs.
Or so they say.

>>137108106

ICE is god-tier. The only way car manufacturers make unreliable cars now is if they purposefully make high-maintenance cars or use substandard materials.

Just look at Taxi fleets to see how long ICE cars can run with minimal service.

Also, the fuel economy on cars now is incredible thanks to direct fuel injection, 10 speed tranmissions, etc etc.

>>137108715
Very inefficient. I say just stick with a cheap small gasoline hatchback or sedan, like the Fiesta, Sonic, Mazda 2, Toyota Yaris etc. If you really want to be green.

>>137108884
>it's own
>braindead

Should invest in education instead lmao

>>137105222
i should write a thesis on 4chan memes

vast collections of memorized reaction images and memes augment our vocabularies in totally new and powerful ways.

>>137108775
Hit the gym and get some meat on them bones c:

>>137108715
You can cherry pick the worst plant or the cleanest plant. It's a null argument. I'd rather have the fossil fuels burned at a plant outside of a city than inside of it on the street.

Electric vehicle is a clear technology improvement along many independent variables like pollution, noise, efficiency, etc. The main problem is still battery tech.

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>>137108884
>Tesla
No Just no, I don't want to be a part of your autistic cult.

Ford Focus Electric is the future. not Tesla

>>137109130

No muscle mass is ugly af, as is body hair btw :^)

>>137108982
I agree 100%, used/good mpg is the greenest.

That being said electric car tech (batteries) is hugely important to improve.

>300kWh in 15 minutes

RIP your circuit breakers

>>137108701
>Europe is not going electric any time soon. You are a fool.
Norway is outlawing all cars but e-cars by 2025.

If they can do it, all of Yurop can.

>>137097600
>being this autistic.

>>137108935
>They're about bringing electric vehicle utopia upon the plebs.
50,000 dollars per car (the 35k are only after huge government subsidies and without extras)... plebs.

Ok then.

>>137099977
They actually didn't. When I was at the Philadelphia Auto Show (lots of exotics and luxury vehicles all over) only a few people checked out the Tesla over other cars. And the one person that I did notice check out a Tesla was some old fucking idiot who knew nothing of what it was at all.

>>137109312
Everything in balance is the best. Not too much muscle, fat and/or body hair. Can be difficult but it's achievable.

>>137107318
Gross.

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Rate my ride boys

>>137101658
WTF!?!? Are they seriously faking that shit with wires? They could have used those wires and monies to make kung-fu movies instead. Elon Musk is a worthless shithead.

>>137109286
Chevy Bolt seems like the best on market

>>137109911

Post penis :^)

>>137110021
9/11

>>137107883
I would, but only with nice feet.

>>137108884
This so much. Europoors are just mad that they will have to copy Americans just like the Ford Model T. Stay poor faggots. You're literally Chinese-tier copycats.

>>137110114
Hehe. Only good thing to come out of germany.

Porsche Experience Center in LA is so fucking fun

>>137109802
This. Tesla is not really a luxury car, They cost as much as one but they have the luxury of a 2000s era luxury sedan with an ipad just slapped in there. It's interior is on par with that of a high end honda civic, and it just isn't considered cool.

Brand loyalty is ridiculous. Competition is always good for the consumer.

>>137107015
>but I've never really understood wanting to obstruct a potentially fantastic technology.

They're idiots, manipulated by corporate propaganda to hate on the competition. Some of it is just intrinsic skub vs antiskub. Most of it is just useful idiot. When talking to these people you quickly realize that they're about as uninformed as they can possibly get, they're anti-informed. They outright ignore reality and fact like a typical liberal.

The complaints about Tesla getting "subsidies" ring hollow if you actually look at any other industry on the planet. They ALL get subsidies of some sort. If it's not directly, then it's indirectly. I've seen people claiming SpaceX is subsidized by the government because they sell launches to the government - well then what does that make ULA or Astrium? The government subsidizes internal combustion vehicles and the oil industry with multi-trillion-dollar wars in the middle east. Major oil companies get massive tax breaks and write-offs to encourage production and expansion. The US agricultural industry gets so many subsidies it's become massively politicized. The FDA is practically run by pharmaceuticals, and the FCC's chairman is bought off by the major US ISP's.

But no, don't look there. Focus on Tesla and how badwrongevil they are for taking government money - loans and actual payment for goods and services provided (how EVIL) - while providing the most competitive AMERICAN automotive and space industries we've seen in decades.

Boo hiss shut it down. We need to rely on middle eastern oil and offload more manufacturing to china, goyim.

Fucking retards.

>>137110045
N-No, I'm pretty shy. Pp must be hidden.

>>137110122

You're probably cut and I'm not interested <3

>>137110037
I really don't trust GM though after all of the crap they shit out in the 2000s. The 2000s definitely fared better for ford than GM.

>>137110411

Then post butt and body but only if you're smooth :^)

>>137110247
Exactly. I sat inside of a damn S550 that felt like I was sitting in a private jet. Fuck Tesla. It's a meme car for autists who want to suck off Musk

>>137109708
So that's how the elite will profit from electric cars, states will have to take loans from the IMF or the BIS, enslaving us all.

>>137097600
kys shill

>>137097248
>Porsche 918
>845,000 + taxes
Yeah sure man let me sell my house + earn 45k and then buy this 2 seater coupe that’s useless for anything but joyrides

>>137107651
They've planned it out pretty well.

Getting the tech working to start with was a challenge, and expensive, but they did it and sold a top of the line luxury car.

Since then, they've been increasing production capacity and reducing costs. Now they're selling a car that's half the price of the first one. In 5 years they'll be selling electrics for $20,000, maybe less. Once they breach that $15,000 - $20,000 mark, they've completely made it and EV's will dominate the automotive market forever after.

>>137098178
I bet you couldn't even quantify the health effects in a dollar amount. Probably less than a dollar per person per year in aggregate. Lol euro thinking

>>137110463
It's not my fault. Oh well.

>>137110515
I won't then. That was a close one. o///o Uff.

>>137109286
>76 mile range
>better than Tesla

LMAOOOOOO

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>>137097248
>Europe is about to go all-electric, while Trump's America hangs on to the ugly gas and diesel cars.

It should be up to the people, Consumers to choose whether they want an electric or gas powered car.

The big government imposition of things on people is why the EU will fail and fall apart.

I'd rather buy an American Tesla than a Germanistan Porsche.

>>137110880

:(

>>137108715
More efficient than 100,000 individual coal burners

>>137097248
The cars all use the same battery cells, so shut the fuck up about faster charging and longer range. The battery can only handle so much.

>>137110870

lmao

>>137108561
That's part of how you know this is vaporware bullshit

They're just trying to draw investor money away from Tesla, not actually compete.

I'll believe their bullshit when they actually show it in action.

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>>137110021
Moar

>>137111016
Even if I had the right features for you I wouldn't post any pics. I'm super shy.

>>137111007
>I'd rather buy an American Tesla than a Germanistan Porsche.

>prefers a taxpayer funded plastic supershit to a wonderful designed supercar

Ok then. Move along.

>>137111403

I'm kinda shy too, but I switch into cheeky cunt mode and it works :^)

>>137097248
Huh, who would have thought, that a company with decades of automotive experience and top notch R&D can create a superior car than a start-up run by a megalomaniac.

>>137097835
VW admitted fault you fucking idiot

Why are germans still so fucking smug all the time ? its like they really believe they are better than everyone else yet history shows otherwise

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>>137110941
>Amiga vs IBM pc debate
Yeah the Amiga was more powerful than most of the shitty pcs of the time, but PCs won due to superior modularity, easier maintenance, and a wider range of application. Range isn't everything man


You don't need to be better to be the future
>>137111007
I am just waiting for an Electric Lincoln car. That would be awesome. All the Luxury of a Lincoln, Electric power like Tesla, and None of the Elon Musk cock sucking

>>137110234
>Only good thing to come out of germany
What about guns and Nagelfar?

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>>137097248
>Europe is about to go all-electric, while Trump's America hangs on to the ugly gas and diesel cars.

kekkekkeke meanwhile in the US has:

>only mass-producing EV-only company
>largest supercharger infrastructure in the world and drowing every day
>largest battery production facility
>produces in one factory more batteries than the whole world combined
>only company able to produce 500,000 electric cars a year
>drastic decrease of sales for Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Lexus due to drastic increase of Tesla sales
>FOUR other gigafactories in the pipeline to be build withing 2 years

Face it. In less then 3 years Mercedes/BMW/Audi will go broke in the US market. Stay salty.

Pic related KILLS the Kraut economy

https://electrek.co/2017/05/26/tesls-model-s-leading-us-large-luxury-segment/

>>137109286
Nissan leaf is the true future.

>>137112193

At least we didn't lose to Vietnam lmao

>>137112397

And what about poop porn?

>>137112397
>guns
Came from the chinks (see fire lance)

>ever listening to German Metal bands
Don't cut yourself on that edge bruh

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>>137112496
>Tesla Model S
>Luxury
This car here is real American Luxury. Not an overpriced, wannabe luxury car with an electric power gimmick

>>137111563
It's cute. c:

>>137112193
Americans can be pretty smug as well. Regardless the topic. It's just that the topic at hand is about companies from different countries and that makes people patriotic.

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>>137112722
What's that?

>>137102185
is that the car that doesn't work?

>>137112956
I'll leave that to you.

>>137112966
>Came from the chinks (see fire lance)
So you prefer Chinese guns to German guns?

And it's not like you have better bands to offer.

>>137113058
Cool story Grandpa!

>>137102185
Kek they built that in my area.

Faraday.

>>137108491

i think its going to vary from person to person, but most people buy cars in the $26K range

around affluent cities, its probably double that

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>>137113304

What's that?

lmao

>>137097510
What do you mean?

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>>137097600
Elon stop

>>137111377
How do you like it? My dad just bought the new Panamera and I want to convince him to get me the 911

>>137097248

>Not even a production car
>probably costs 1 million dollars if it even launches
>Charges in 15 minutes! (Can only charge it 20 times before needing to replace)

>>137097248
because they all look like shit unless you have +60K to spend.

>>137111943
>VW admitted fault you fucking idiot
Just because they want to continue doing business in Murrica.

They literally did nothing wrong. The SAME cars the Americans said were "so bad" drive all over the world and only in America were there any issues.

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>>137113869
>gets BTFO by US twice in less than 30 years
>country is still under US occupation 70 years later
>but muhhh vietnam

kek

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>>137110021

>>137101658
While this does look pretty fake let me play devil's advocate and propose that maybe they used the wires to kind of mount themselves so they don't drift in and out of the shot.

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>>137114746

Guys, why are European so smug towards Americans, you guys?

lmao

>>137098123
...Yet

>Get ready for the judd appatow sequel