Okay /pol/ question for the people of mother Russia

>>137054476
>Okay people of Russia, I have a question for you all, how do you feel about communism?
I like communism, or perhaps more accurately socialism since communism is but a utopian end goal, but in practice it is very easy for it to go wrong, CPSU for example was doomed the moment brezhnev took power, Khrushev was just a symptom of a system in decay.

>Do you feel it was better then than right now?
I asked that question quite a few times, with different results, the best answer I've ever got was "There had been more order then, but now there are more opportunities"

>For the younger generation, how do you feel about your history as a nation mostly being under communism
I feel that some people should stop trusting Holywood and MSM as their source for information about modern Russia. The only things that are truly important to most people as far as communism goes is Army and Space/Science, there is also the Education and Medecine fields but those are rarely associated with communism despite being inherited from it. In most other aspects Russia is more of a continuation of the Imperial project after Imperator was deposed, but before civil war happened and communists took power.

>>137056517
Nice it only took a half hour to get someone to respond kek

>>137056650
Well I'm here for now if you are curious about any other aspects of modern Russia, I find such cultural exchanges, however small and insignificant, pleasant.

>>137056517
Yeah I've seen documentaries about how under Khrushev there was stagnation, then under the final soviet primer he wanted to implement capitalist reforms but it was already too late. Why did the USSR fall, I get a bunch of answer each very understandable and intertwined, but I can't by the fact that we simply made Russia over spend.

Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college which is a completely foreign idea to anybody in the states, but untie less sounds like a good one, is that true. Also I don't talk. to Putin kek, I just saw it on a documentary.

I've seen RT and Russian Insider which are propaganda but un-theless news and they say a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia.

>>137056921
Yeah I remember growing up while the History Channel still talked about history, and wasn't all about pawn shops and trash savaging. I don't know if you have the History Channel in Russia though. but before it changed its programming it would show nothing but World War 2 mini series documentaries focusing on Hitler and Russia. Real gems of knowledge if you ask me. And the USSR always caught my eye as being something of a anomaly in the world. Coming to /pol/ its hard to discuss though seeing how many people are Nazis or just blatantly hate communism.

>>137056921
Also how does your grandparents feel or felt about USSR? I know differences between the generation tend to expand greater now in the modern era.

>>137057041
>under Khrushev there was stagnation
Stagnation started with brezhnev and never really ended, it just got worse and worse and then the system collapsed.

>implement capitalist reforms but it was already too late
Au contraire his fault wasn't attempt to implement "capitalist" reforms, but rather an attempt to implement "democracy" overnight in a country that was in a middle of a major economic crisis, it spectacularly backfired with every SSR, including Russia mind you, pulling in their own direction resulting in well known events, his pussyfooting and refusal to use army to quash rebellion was the final nail in the USSR coffin, by the time GKCHP tried to undo damage he caused it was too late.

In short economic stagnation, questionable spending practices, lack of a reasonable intensive structure for the population and Ideocracy signed USSR death warrant before Khruschev ever took power. He could have saved it if he clamped down on unrest ordered KGB to deal with the rabble-rousers like Yeltsin and focused on liberalising economy following Chinese model, but he was not the man needed to do it and there wasn't one available at the time. Especially because populations bought the "liberal democracy will solve all your problems" meme. Well 90s was a "wonderful" penance for that stupidity.

>Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college
I don't understand what you mean.

>a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia
Miss and regret yes, nostalgia is like that, wanting it back as it was, not so much.
>>137057494
>Also how does your grandparents feel or felt about USSR?
They like it AFAIK, never got into deep politics discussions with them.

>>137057309
>Coming to /pol/ its hard to discuss though seeing how many people are Nazis or just blatantly hate communism.
/pol/ hates everything about equally to be honest. For every "white race" post there is a "look at those fat retards larping as nazies" one.

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>>137057041
>I've seen RT and Russian Insider which are propaganda but un-theless news and they say a lot of people regret or miss Soviet Russia.
It's very similar to nostalgia in US in my opinion, "Make America Great Again" and all that. USSR had superb social security policies and things like that. Basically you go to university for free, you get guaranteed employment, free housing and healthcare. This doesn't come without drawbacks, and eventually stale bureaucracy just collapsed under its own weight. Modern rampant capitalism, huge inequality and so on isn't for everyone. Nowadays its homo homini lupus est. People miss simpler times, even though now they probably have more opportunities, like fpbp said.

>>137057812
>I don't understand what you mean.
Well I saw a documentary about Putin talking about his KGB days, well before he was in the KGB and he said that people where given jobs and told where to work. I got it mixed up with education.

>>137057902
Yeah honestly its much harder in America if you don't already come from wealth, and I cherish the idea of talking care of your people, but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately.

i dont like communism and while many of olders are nostalgic about that in fact communism was shitty and dealt a lot of damage to my country

>>137058287
its not unfortunately, it is in the nature of communism to dont work at all. Do you think you could create country which encourages workers to work less to earn more? thatt

USSR had it's share of problems but from what my grandparents and parents told me and from what I've read I think Russia would have been better off if USSR didn't dissolve. Too much corruption and too many things that are done for money now that would be unheard of in the past. For instance now you can literally bribe your way out of anything with any government agency.

>>137058434
Russia would be better if USSR didnt existed and corruption was already there in USSR. Fall of USSR just made things work with money instead of "services for a good boys"

>>137058114
It wasn't exactly like that, it's more like you HAD to work and if you didn't apply yourself or simply couldn't get a job you wanted, state would just assign you A job so that you'd have something to do, a system which while providing everyone with employment failed to reward pursuits outside of those mandated by the government.

>>137058287
>but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately
It depends on what you mean by communism, as I said, in reality it's just an end goal of "classless society" china has a pretty good model of socialist government if you want to look at a working system. Or you could go to nordic democratic socialism for tips, tho I don't think it would work for a big nation.

>>137058585
When are you taking down lukashenko?

Russians, what would you say to an American that is considering moving to Russia? Generally speaking.

>>137058434
Yeah I recently got through watching the Putin Interviews with Oliver Stone, and honestly Russia fascinates me. Because you guys allow Putin to hold office for so long, but who am I to honestly judge, I'm American first and foremost and truly believe in liberty, so what it seems to me is that Putin is who the people of Russia have chosen and if there happy with that I don't care. But Putin from what little I know because obviously I'm not in Russia seeing him all the time like Americans see Trump, he seems to me like a man who is truly trying to do right by his people, coming into power so early after the collapse and just overhauling everything, but of course he is tainted by wealth and power. Maybe that blinds his view, all I see or the projection that I got from the interviews is that he's a statesman and a true son of Russia who is combating, being powerful and trying to use that power.

>>137058708
while Lukashenko isnt great, for me its clear that overthrowing him would cause more bad than good. Besides we cant throw him out even if we wanted to.
>>137058714
madman who wants to get fucked up

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>>137058114
>he said that people where given jobs and told where to work. I got it mixed up with education.

Yeah, so basically after university you will get employment in your science field.

>>137058287
>but communism just doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
Communism is distant goal in far future. It needs AI, solid infrastructure, automatation and other shit like this. USSR was so fucking close to it by inventing pic related, but bureaucracy and stupidity ruined that all.

>>137058841
Putin is shareblue, who dont respects and dont believes that there is russians in RF

>>137058714
Make sure you visit first. Also ensure that you have income prior to the move, stick to St-Petersburg or if you are particularly rich/greedy Moscow, other places would just be too much of a cultural shock imo. Oh and make sure you learn russian, at least enough for casual conversation.

>>137058841
Putin is far too complicated a subject to explain quickly. In short there are only two ways to deal with the level of corruption perestroika and 90s brought to russia, a civil war and taking charge of it. Putin chose the second, I think it is by far better choice, but not one without a price.

>>137058677
I see, well if America promised me a job straight out of college I would be one happy camper kek

Yeah Sanders tried to explain that to the public, but of course he was hit with the "we are not Denmark, we have more then 5 million people here" which I honestly agree with, Chinas mixed model does seem somewhat stable, I have to look more into though

>>137058863
I'm 1/4th Russian and I can speak a little Russian. I'm very American though, born and raised here. I'm thinking about moving to Russia because the nigger problem is getting a little too much in America. You cannot raise kids here. If I had kids, I wouldn't want to send them to schools with black people and Mexicans, and that's about guaranteed here in the states. Wondering what Russians would have to say about this.

>>137059081
i would suggest you to civil war with hanging all non-russian elites while building nationalistic state with respect toward capitalism and some effective ruling institues

>>137059142
we would say "this guy just got out of fire into inferno"

>>137059081
Yeah he does seem like a very complicated man, many right wing Americans have much respect for him. And from the picture thats been represented to me I can't help but so I do as well. Rumor has it that he's the wealthiest person in the world too kek. Russia with Putin at the helm seems like a nation trying to be prosperous for the betterment of all Russians, but unfortunately in the globalist world we live in won't have it. I feel like Putin is boxed in, outside is a world that fears him in Europe, and inside one wrong move could start a revolution, and dismantle everything he's worked to achieve, corrupted or not.

>>137059142
Well if you are being serious rather than memeing than, SPb would be a decent choice, since unlike moskow it's migrant population is rather small. Of course if you can tolerate cultural shock you can just move to one of the golden ring cities that are pretty much White Russian Monoculture affairs.


>>137059247
And I'd suggest you to kys. Because that's what you are asking of a whole lot of young kids when you advocate civil war.

>>137059318
Idk. I have some Russian cousins who grew up in Russia and besides not making as much money, they lead pretty comfy lives. The nog and spic problem in the US is just getting too much.

>>137058434
Russia would have been better off if USSR never happened. Learn some real history, about bolsheviks and all. It was literally a project to make it into a crypto-colony and to experiment with socialism, nation-building and many other fucked up stuff.

>>137059493
>se that's what you are asking of a whole lot of young kids when you advocate civil war.
oy vey lets hope that good boy Putin will lose interest in stealing shit and finally decides to help his poor ryskies
Good king, but aristocracy is bad huh?

>>137058887
Also whats this pic that anon talked about?

>>137058863
>madman who wants to get fucked up
Why would he get fucked up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMeqY-OnaR4

https://www.youtube.com/user/senttosiberia

>>137059643
Yes and I'm sure whoever replaces Putin will be a squeaky clean politician with no hint of corruption. Pro-tip: Revolution over petty manageable forms of corruption is a waste of time, results in a huge bloodbath, and doesn't guarantee a better government in the end.

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>>137059142
Well, living in big cities is pretty ok if you ask me. Saint Petersburg and Moscow are even better than most EU capital cities. Kazan is glorious too. You may want just look for cities with >1M population.
Stay away from north - theres nothing but total depression, endless snow storms, auroras and 2-3 month without sun. On the south theres steppes and deserts and in summer it's like mini-Australia. Far East is rough too - ocean storms and numerous local chink nations like buryats and tuvins.
Old small cities in Siberia is like playing STALKER IRL - most of them are abandoned. But I like it tbqh, there's a lot of abandoned shit after USSR like nuclear bunkers, tanks, underground cities and other shit.
Here's pic of D-6 system under Moscow.

>>137059667
this is symbol of automatization project
>>137059709
how does this orphanage connected to the fact that half of population in russia doesnt like americans beside the fact that whole country is a hellhole in terms of laws, justice, corruption, economic and culture?

>>137059549
USSR did a good job modernizing Russia's military.

>>137059142
You should move to New England or the Midwest, We might pass the Raise act meaning we'll get mostly Europeans coming here.

>>137059843
Wtf that sounds awesome.

>>137059772
>er replaces Putin will be a squeaky clean politician with no hint of corr
manageable
LMAO FUCK OFF YOU (((KIKE)) ITS NOT MANAGEABLE
no offence but its really not little and not manageable.

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>>137054476

Let me tell you about communism, my little burger friend:

-you cant work by yourself or be selfemployeed, you cant do your own business - if you do it - 10 years in prison
-you cant buy a appartment or flat more than 33 square meters at 1 person, you only can have flat of 44 square meters if you have a wife with one child, and 56 square meters flat if you have 2 child. If you are single you live in 20-27 square meter flat.
-you cant decide where to live or work. After graduation government will send you where them want: ukrainian removed to uzbekistan, estonian removed to Siberia, Belorussian remove to Turkmenistan, russian moved to top level land: Crimea, other Ukraine, Tallian, Riga etc
- in 1982-86 you cant be in street at day time - if you are police will arrest you. Guess why?

>>137059857
>>137059843
Which is expand on this project anon?

>>137059937
so you falled for "muh nukes and sheeeit"? depression and self-hatred will await you and your kids in the whole Russia, have fun

>>137059667
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS
It meant to be global internet-like system with AI rudiments.

>>137059487
>Rumor has it that he's the wealthiest person in the world too kek.
After a certain point Money=Power, and he seems intent on using that power in the interests of russian state, sure some gets lost as a reward for loyalty, but I'm not seeing a better system in the current political climate in Russia.
>outside is a world that fears him in Europe
Europe is hella rich and important but it is not end all be all of the world, I for one hope we can get India and china to stop bickering and think that that's more important than anythning that has to do with US and EU si,ply because it is clear that both of those chose to be our enemies.

>inside one wrong move could start a revolution
Before 2014 - maybe - after Ukrainians convinced Russia at large that a revolution is a terrible Idea his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.

>>137060057
>project
If you mean OGAS - it was essentially an attempt to establish an AI led technocratic economy. It never got done because USSR collapsed before there was tech around to even attempt it.
>>137059643
Again, civil war won't make their lives better quicker than Putin does, you are operating under false pretence. And Putin already made life of russians leagues better than they were before him. It's funny to me that you are fine with Batka but think Putin should be overthrown.

>>137056517
>I like communism, or perhaps more accurately socialism
Hitler did nothing wrng

>>137060057
D-6 isnt related to this pic, not really. its more like backup metro system with vaults and maybe some links of communication

>>137060038

>you cant decide where to live or work. After graduation government will send you where them want: ukrainian removed to uzbekistan, estonian removed to Siberia, Belorussian remove to Turkmenistan, russian moved to top level land: Crimea


I'll take shit that never happened for $500, Alex.

>>137059493
Yeah, my dad suggests SPb too. I might visit there this year and just check out what it's like. I wonder how hard it will be for me to find a job there, considering I'm essentially a foreigner. I think I can blend in with Russians though, for the most part, but I have a very noticeable accent when I speak Russian.

>>137060305

Ask anyone from post USSR exept russian of course

>>137059970
Putin's corruption is nothing compared to the rats we have in Washington DC.

>>137059876
I'm going to look into this, ty.

>>137060230
>D-6 isnt related to this pic

Wrong. That pic was taken from D-6 in early 2000s, when that shit was semi-abandoned. I can give you link to whole archive with photos if you want, there's even pics from Ramenki underground city.

>>137060087
If I have kids, I will feel bad for them going to school with Mexicans and black people. They honestly ruin everything.

>>137060338
>I wonder how hard it will be for me to find a job there, considering I'm essentially a foreigner
There are plenty international corps working in SPb, I'm sure you can find something.

>>137060386

I've worked with Slavs, they're the laziest, most inefficient workers I've ever witnessed. The idea that they were able to assign specific jobs and locations to 100 million+ adults is not even remotely believable.

>>137060170
>his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.
Yeah kek I saw a video recently on Russian Insider with him hinting at running again or I think it was him saying he wouldn't change the constitution so he could run again not sure. But like I said if that is what the Russian people want I see no problem really. Plus Putin is funny as fuck the way he handled the hacking allegations with Megan Kelly, he said "gee you people must have a lot of time on your hands over there because this is just crazy" haha it would be funny to hear stuff like that for the next 20 years.

>>137060137
>>137060170
Damn so Russia was thinking 50 years down the road, was anybody else even looking into this type of tech at the time?

>>137060170
>seems intent on using that power in the interests of russian state
lmao no
>we can get India and china to stop bickering and think that that's more important than anythning that has to do with US and EU si,ply because it is clear that both of those chose to be our enemies.
>'india and china is our f-friend'
fucking shill
>Before 2014 - maybe - after Ukrainians convinced Russia at large that a revolution is a terrible Idea his rule is pretty secure until he dies or resigns.
oh wait but there is another dumb laws and more scandals, i'm sure people will tolerate EVERYTHING cuz "oh no pls not revolution"

>Again, civil war won't make their lives better quicker than Putin does, you are operating under false pretence. And Putin already made life of russians leagues better than they were before him. It's funny to me that you are fine with Batka but think Putin should be overthrown.
Batka is a man who got pretty weak country with small economy, while Putin got big country with resources but chose to steal shit
I okay with Batka only because there is just decent dictatorship in shitty country, while in russia you have thieve in decent country(not anymore lmao)

>>137057812
>>Also hear from Putin that back in the day, people where chosen to go to college
>I don't understand what you mean.
Could be either college entrants were chosen on the basis of their parents' position in society or the Party, or they were chosen purely on the basis of performance and ability (the latter criterion was abolished here in Australia by the leftists in the early 70s).

Can one of the anons from Russia explain that USSR was actually not communist but socialist state and that communism was fed to people as a vision for the future that was going to happen soon

>>137060451
i was referring to the automatization government project from previous post, not about d-6
>>137060556
this will be even more funny when his state will collapse like USSR
also there was some latino american country who was trying to create something similiar

>>137060338
Well, if you can speak both Russian and English and not retarded as fuck you can just find a job with salaries starts from 1500$/month. In US it's not that much, but in Russia glorious apratments costs like 500-700$ per month in big cities, and food is pretty cheap. Also, 100Mbit internet costs ~10$/month.

>>137060682
>e of the anons from Russia explain that USSR was actually not communist but socialist state and that communism was fed to people as a vision for the future that was going to happen soon
fuck off you fucking (((kike)))

>>137060715
You mean Cuba or Venezuela?

>>137060574
Assuming you say all of that in good faith - you have no idea just how doomed russia was before putin took power. We had TFR of 1.17 ffs Pretty much everyone was writing epitaphs for our nation, 17 years later and TFR is 1.75 - among highest in europe, the economy is slowly growing despite the truckload of sanctions and low oil prices, people are, generally, happy, Putin's approval is 80% so don't give me that Putin is making russia worse shit, you don't know what you are talking about.

>>137060723
Sounds pretty fucking comfy, desu. Gonna have to bone up on my Russian though. It is retarded as fuck right now past exchanging pleasantries.

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>>137060674
It was the latter but you needed a reference from the local party leader

>>137060966
lol I mean I've been to Moscow before when I was little. The city is not too bad. I can show images of white trash trailer parks and it would be the same thing. This is base level propaganda besides the fact that you're just shitposting.

>>137060831
>>137060831
i dont sure its more like argentina or somewhere near. i cant find it because there is a lot of modern autosystems in search which is sad. Maybe i even was wrong.
>>137060881
>80%
oh yeah how nice it is to believe in Putin especially since he values minorities more than actual russians, when he steals shit, when his golden age was fueled by high oil prices.
>ECONOMY G-GROWING REEE
its too fucking slow you fucking dumb ass so thats considered as stagnation. If you grow like 4% and say its good then you're wrong, because it should grow faster in order to actually improve economy. By the way how did your money reserves are living? I bet these old people 65+ years old would happily give their money for Putin))0

>>137060881
Yeah doctors didn't even have the equipment to preform procedures after the collapse, it was very heart breaking to see people in that condition.
Also how do Russians feel about America slapping sanctions on them left and right? Do you guys hate us in general kek. the younger germination of Russia seems very patriotic and optimistic for the future, a guy went around Moscow with a camera and asked some young soldiers how they feel about Putin and Russia along with America and one said while the other agreed with him that "Putin leads us we are proud to have him lead us no question, as for everybody else they sanction us and sanctions us but we are still here"

>>137060544
That's partially due to soviet work ethics. Whats the point in working hard if the only bonus you'll get is probably additional 10-20 rubles which are useless anyway cause you can't buy shit. And from other side even if you get fired you will be provided by another shitty job by government. The only people who were working hard were scientist and other people who were passionate about their jobs.

>>137061480
It is pretty faggy that the US sanctioned Russia literally based on fake news and trapping Trump into such a decision because he's a muh Russian agent.

>>137061506 tell him about the "plan" system and how it was enforcing workers to work less
>>137061480
>ask soldier
>in front of his collective
>expects honest opinion
>from person who lives on government money
>who doesnt need to work cuz he's in army
(((journalistics)))

>>137061689
Yeah, which is another reason why Russia interests me, the Philosophical battle of Russia vs everyone else is deep.

>>137061480
>Also how do Russians feel about America slapping sanctions on them left and right?
Frankly - people don't care all that much, oh they grumble and some get upset over it, but ultimately - what are you gonna do about it? So most just ignore it. Tho some entrepreneurial fellows try to subvert both sanctions and counter sanctions via smuggling as the recent cheese story shows.

>Do you guys hate us in general kek
Your government/politicians - yeah, pretty much, average burgers - don't care one way or the other really.

>>137061480
>younger germination of Russia seems very patriotic and optimistic for the future
It's a bit more complicated than that, there was a period when government neglected yonger generation and it led to folks like Navalny gaining popularity but thankfully they seem to have realised their mistake and are working to overcome it by doing more popular diplomacy with the kids.

>>137061750
Well the guy told him he was a American, I don't see why the soldier would lie, and there where only two other guys around him.

>>137061905
Yeah I remember Putin saying in the interviews with Oliver Stone, "presidents come and go but the policy towards Russia stays the same"

>>137061940
His Masters could find him later on and punish him like they punish people for the reblogs and upvotes

>>137057309
History channel was never good.

>>137061940
They most likely told the truth. Russians always loved their tsars as long as tsars gave them feeling of greatness(no matter real or created by propaganda).

>>137061940
Eh this guy is just trolling at this point. Tho generally asking soilders as a way to gauge popular opinion is not the best plan since they tend to be more patriotic than most. That being said russian military and intel guys live a good life nowdays since the government might call upon them for some creative editing of european borders they tend to keep them happy, well fed, trained and loyal.

Even the social stigma against the army that was around after the 90s is slowly being eroded and replaced with respect again.

>>137061905
Do you vote for Putin anon when election season comes around or do you not bother with voting? And how do you feel about Putin running again, do you think it'll create panic?

>>137062316
>>137062331
And you too anon

>>137062331
>Do you vote for Putin anon when election season comes around or do you not bother with voting?
I was utterly disinterested in politics until recently, I will probably vote for him in the next one if I won't be busy at the time.
>And how do you feel about Putin running again, do you think it'll create panic?
LIttle fact a lot of people don't seem to grasp is that Putin can go for another 6 year term (2018-2024) without breaking the current constitution.

>>137062180
I can confirm it was somewhat good back in the day, like in the late 90s, early 2000s. Today, History Channel is to History what MTV is about music.

>>137062514
I see well the real question then is what will happen after that term, then shit will start getting juicy keri honestly hope the best for Russia in there endeavors, I would hate to see conflict between the US and Russia.

>>137062629
Exactly, capitalism at its worst, not to mock glorious America kek

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>>137058287
>Yeah honestly its much harder in America

The u.s. is one of like 4 or 5 countries where one can build his own opportunity. There are plenty of markets where a determined individual can enter and undercut the competition. In most countries you'd be regulated out of existence or wouldn't be able to afford the necessary bribes to get started. You guys have tons of opportunity, but like women, you'd rather give up climbing the mountain and declare base camp tour actual goal. Naive!

>>137062689
>then is what will happen after that term
He will probably finally announce his protege tell russians that he supports him and that protege will probably get voted in on that merit alone.

It's not like we have any real opposition to speak of.

Zuganov's an artefact, Zhirinovsky's clown, Mironov's boring, Navalny's a joke.

>>137062828
Tell that to the folk of Appalachia

>>137062974
Who is this protege? He must be awful close to Putin himself, to be trusted with the Empire he'll be living him with.

leaving*

>>137062629
Nope.

>>137063138
>Who is this protege?
Who the fuck knows. It will probably be someone relatively young from either United Russia or the FSB/GRU

>>137060451

That would be appreciated anon!

Hey so Russians, how would you describe the mid-20 year olds and youth in Russia today politically? How many are more traditional/conservative, how many are Liberal/SJW?

OK, 32 y.o. here.
Russia was better in communism, even later 80s was better then modern Russia.
Now we have that capital anarchy syndicalism Soviets hated. Not the US style capitalism.

>>137063429
For example, if I expressed some reasonable dissent towards Islam, would I be shunned and outcasted and fired from my work like in America? Do you have to keep your conservative opinions a secret in Russia as well?

>>137063253
Probably some Russian secret agency dude that no other foreign secret agency has ever heard of so they can't corrupt him.

>>137063556
Well from what I know, Russia has a big muslim minority living there, that have always lived there Russia is the motherland to them from what Putin says. As for Islam in general seeing how many bloody wars Russia has fought against Islamic extremists I wouldn't see why not.

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nice pro-Putin propaganda, commie shithead
explain why did Putin's friends and relatives becoming richest people in the world?
>>137063429
half pro-putin "nuke the USA"
~25% "we need nationalistic state which will defend our interests"
~25% like "lmao liberal values PRAISE CLINTON EX DEE"
>>137063556
YES YOU HAVE TO SHUT YOUR MOUTH IN RUSSIA WHEN TALK ABOUT ISLAM
you cant criticize Islam
cant crtiticize government
cant bitch about the fact that Russian Federation in fact place where Russians are second class citizens like whitey in USA

>>137063556
Sort of. Theres a balance between cultures and religions, and its so fucking easy to break it, so they wouldnt care about your intentions. That works for any religion tho, so if you shit in christianity, expect punishment too.

>>137062995
There are loads of people who own their own businesses in Appalacia. I know a guy who had about 3 yrs of coding experience near the nc/Tenn line. He came up with a genius piece of software that checks the base MLS database for pre-determined searches. People use it to get the first bid on bank owned property as soon as it hits the market.

He was destitute at 35 after divorce rape. At 41 he spends summers in the keys on that boat I posted.

Don't confuse what you see on tv about poor hillbillies with reality.

>>137054476
>I have a question for you all, how do you feel about communism?
It was a greatest disaster for the country and the world.
>you feel it was better then than right now?
Of course not. At least I can have PC and ipad now to shitpost on 4chan. In commie state I'd have to book a Computer place in special bureau for a week before like my father did.
Commies must be thrown out of helicopters, shot on sight by death squads, commies are not human beeings.

>>137063492
I see that tends to be the general opinion of Russians. So how do you feel about coming to /pol/ and seeing all the anti commie rhetoric?

>>137054476
Wassup with america spawning little commie faggots like you ?

>>137063922
>>137064060
You too anon, Communism and what not?

>>137063429
>Liberal/SJW
We have a word for that, "Liberast" its combination of Liberal and Pederast (faggot), there are very few people above the age of 20 who honestly take that particularal political position, probably less than 5 %. Most of youth is either disinterested in politics or support putin, there are a large number of exceptions supporting various parliamentary parties, but none of them can be called SJW. Other than above mentioned liberasts.

>>137063556
No one gives a fuck about your opinions overmuch, the if you start spouting things like that in a non political conversation people will think you are an obsessed weirdo, that being said the worst that you could expect in return is to get told to fuck off. On the other hand don't insult people on too personal a level, that might end in violence if you go too far. But generally no, we are quite conservative nation all things told.

>>137060305
Oh this shit happen all the time, better start learning to read statistics.
So there is a reason why Crimea was this huge issue. There was a lot of Russians who got moved there by the government, and not just Crimea to almost all of the post USSR.
Hell it's happening right now in Isreal where they are moving Israelis out to the "Palestinian" territory so they can claim the clay from the shitskins.

>>137063825
Are Russians really like 2nd class citizens in Russia? Waiting for Russians to chime in. I ask this seriously because that is what America feels like for whites lmao. Your coworkers can be racist as shit towards you all they want and if you so much as throw 1/10th of what they're throwing at you back at them it's like, "WOW, HOLY SHIT, WTF. RACIST AS FUCK, HOLMES. WTF." You're suddenly fucking "unhinged" and rumors spread and people say, "Wow, I heard some really disturbing rumors about you." It's really fucking retarded here. Rather just not deal with life in America if this is what it's going to be like.

>>137063922
I'm pro-Christian.

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>>137064025
Based

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>>137063556
oy vey lets not forget that Putin dislikes ISIS whilst sucking on """moderate muslim""" 's dicks

>>137064111
Dang, that sounds pretty promising desu. Much better than the current political climate in the USA (and I don't think the US will ever recover, it's just so far gone here, even with a Trump presidency).

>>137063936
Yeah your talking about a fraction of the populous, the stats say otherwise, Appalachia is the poorest region in the entire country, with 3/4 or more people on welfare. Your acting like everybody owns homes and has decent jobs, frankly thats not true America has a small middle class like that, and even they are drowning in debt.

>>137054476
>how do you feel about communism?
mixed feelings. on paper it looks retarded but my parents and grandparents never shut up about how much easier their life was back in the day, how the state could have helped a directionless cunt like me and the sense of community.
>how do you feel about your history as a nation mostly being under communism
no strong feelings one way or another. better communism than ottomans or few others.

>>137064060
I believe most of them dont care. I mean, if you cant change them, why would I care? It's like local culture of /pol/aks, they cant tell difference between socialism and communism, they dont know history. All they know is "LOL COMMIES REEE BETTER DEAD THAN RED" /pol/ is a great place for political shitposting, but nothing more.
Same applies for commie reddit tho.

>>137064060
I'm really glad that the part of westerners are free of this mental desease.

>>137064172
>Are Russians really like 2nd class citizens in Russia?
Not really, no, some people struggle to find a job due to migrants from central asia/eastern europe but its not as big an issue as europe and unlike america politicians aren't adding insult to injury by telling Russians that they should be ashamed of being Russian.

>>137064477
Intersting, yeah I think the state should play a part in the bring up of young folks as in jobs and what not to help them get on there feet. Feelings on Putin anon?

>>137064486
I see, and how to you feel about communist Russia, better then or now? Feelings on Putin?

>>137064172
>Are Russians really like 2nd class citizens in Russia?
Why would they be? The keep to the old way of exploiting satellite state for labor and staying on top. obviously some Russians do live shitty lives but that is due to socio economics not some conspiracy

>>137064363
>that navalny cocksucking
Kek

Kys faggot

Navallny is a agent of the russian jewish banking establiahment (liberals) and an american agent


Loterally went to harvard for a "global leaders " program aka future ZOG managers

He flirts with feminism also , supports NATO and has no actual program


Youre obviously 12-18 years old , fucking spastic.
Unsurprising thats the majority of his fanbase

I hate putins immigrant policy and his appointess but hes not a globalist and his foreign policy is absolitels based.
Navalny would literally sell russias ass to the global ZOG like a whore

>>137063825
>you cant criticize Islam
you can criticize Islam but there is a law against criticizing the orthodox faith

>>137064402
>3/4 or more people on welfare.

>According to their 2010-2014 Poverty Rate report, poverty rates across the US was 15.6% compared to 19.7% in the combined Appalachian regions of Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia

http://fahe.org/appalachian-poverty
Don't be so loose with numbers again. Now apologize.

>>137054476
Good idea, bad application.
>>137063640
Much like Putin himself, cept he came pre-corrupted.
>>137064156
Crimea was predominantly Russian for a long time.
>>137064172
Nah. First, if you don't let the beasts settle in and seize power. Just keep your ties with community strong in case chechens decide to move in so you could bag them back skoro.

>>137064172
Of course not. It's more about money and your representation in society. If you're rich shitskin in Russia, you're higher in society that regular Ivan. But on the same level of wealth russkies are higher. I mean it's hard to be regular poor shitskin here - bus driver can just tell you to leave if you speaking on your mudslim language. Cops are constantly checks your IDs, and if you get beaten they wont take care of you and find criminals. Also theres a lot of work "for slavs only", so its hard to find a decent job for churka.
But if you're rich churka, you will be ok.

>>137064826
>Why would they be?
Living in America makes you believe that way.
I was employed at a place pretty swimmingly for 3-ish months. Only problem was some racist co-workers. At some point, it gets too much, and you start throwing some punches back, and that's it, you're a fucking Nazi racist. Literally had people came up to me and say, "Hey, I heard some pretty disturbing things about you..." and it doesn't matter. You can't explain anything to them, because racism toward you, a white male, doesn't exist in the minds of people in America.

AND KEEP IT MIND, the shit I said was jokingly and sarcastically jabbing back. Meant to be a joke, to even the playing field a little nit. NOPE.EXE. "FUCKING RACIST WHITE SUPREMACIST."

This country is fucking shit. You're either eternally cucked or... that's it. That's you're only option. Either that or move to a thoroughly red-state, but idk. I have some family in Russia, and I'm thinking about moving there if you can live a reasonable life there and not be live a perma-cucked existence.

>>137064766
>I think the state should play a part in the bring up of young folks
I do to, especially the orphans. Im not saying I want them to be heavy handed and get into everyones life but I think if someone wanted they should be able to give themselves over to the state and receive guidance. right now there is not even an employment office where I could leave my documents and have someone get back to me about a job. basally I think gov should be able to do "totalitarian" things as long as they have the consent of people involved. There are a lot of small villages that could have easily be recognized into 1 functional place instead of having 9 kid schools and miles of walking but such things are seen as too invasive. personally I feel like government is using claims of liberalism to avoid responsibility, you get some bullshit options and then you are to blame if it did not work, not the gov.
>Feelings on Putin anon?
positive. I don't think he is awesome but I can't think of anyone who could do his job better than him.

>>137064959
Oh yeah I can google and pick the first stats website I find from three years ago that supports my beliefs too, who's really naive.

>>137065333
I see that as the average Russian opinion, the majority of the Russian population is pretty liberal do to communism. which is not a bad thing.

>>137064363
Navalny is a man without patriotism, principles, honour or even a long term game.
He's in it to profit from roused rabble and American gibs.
He doesn't understand how to rule a country.
He'll ruin Russia in less than a month and run with everything he can grab immediately after.

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>>137065317
>Living in America makes you believe that way.
well yeah but Russia is not America, what would make you think the citation maybe same?
>racism
depending on where you are "socially" racism does not exist towards anyone. you would have to be really hateful for anyone to notice or you would have to commit a race based crime. racism is alive and well in humor and sometime daily conversations but people usually have something to fire back with, its not like us where the worst thing about white people they came up with was "they can't dance and are boring" which changed to "white people are crazy and always shoot up schools"

>>137054476
Communism was perversion based on Marx, but communism is better thing happened with russia in xx century.
Monarchy and anarcho-capitalism just sorts of shit. Ancap - this is 1991-2000.
Also, i see Russia in future as moderate liberal-moderate socialistic and secular.

>>137065317
>if you can live a reasonable life
like everywhere else, you can have a reasonable life if you have money.also try to speak Russian without an accent

>>137064766
I was little kid when USSR collapsed so I dont remember shit. But I remember 90s and that was like snowy Somalia - a lot of crime, murders. No job since (((US advisors))) bought most of post-soviet manufactory for scraps. Army is weak as hell. Generals were selling arms to chechens and other shit like that. Pure chaos.

With Putin early 2000 were rough too, but then everything became good. Right now it's a bit harder under sanctions, cuz you cant buy some western stuff, but it's ok for me.

>>137065333
>I feel like government is using claims of liberalism to avoid responsibility
They are solving problems from the most prosperous regions to least, not the most humanitarian approach but at least it avoids soviet era stagnation. They, putin and co, started with SPb and MSK, got them into livable condition, than moved onto 1mil+ cities, repairing an entire nation after the collapse aint a quick job and the corruption aren't helping any, they are doing it that way because if big cities are working economy has a chance to grow, this makes living in villages suck, but the alternative is another permanent stagnation or a civil war to remove corruption, which has no guarantee of producing a better gov than the current one.

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>>137065669
>secular

>>137065725
>also try to speak Russian without an accent
I don't think I can fix that at this point, my accent is atrocious. But my cousin says she loves my accent in Russian because it sounds so foreign, but at the same time she could be pulling my leg.

>>137065886
Eh, for all the orthodox memeing and promotion by putin and co people still don't go to church much, and we still have plenty atheists left over from USSR.

>>137060682
The difference is semantics. communism included socialism as a transitional state and since final stage of communism is impossible it would forever be in that state but it was still communism

>>137065983
It really depends on where you are in russia and what you are doing in the countryside your accent might be a problem, in big cities, especially moskow/SPB - not so much.

>>137065669
That would be interesting to see
>>137065774
Seems like the average Russian, tends to view things as okay. How do your parents feel about Soviet Russia?

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>>137065615
Yeah I was going to say besides the closed border opinion, he seems like American opposition to expand imperialism. because why would Russia want a western style of government, its not in the peoples nature.

>>137065983
>but at the same time she could be pulling my leg.
she could be, it does not matter. you should work on it, being exotic is fine for first few months but eventually everyone gets tired of it.
>>137065985
I don't know. Whenever I watch civil and criminal court, religion seems to be a big part of average peoples lives. even those that usually have been divorced 3 times and are doing some very unchristian things. I would say social Christianity is strong even if religious adherence is not. my godfather stopped helping me out when he found out I was agnostic

>>137062629
Some documentaries are alright, like The Men Who Built America

>>137065009
yh probably were, Crimea and eastern Ukraine has always had a large Russian population. Countries like Lithuania and Estonia have had Russians moved there by the old USSR.

>>137066372
>religion seems to be a big part of average peoples lives
Yeah, I know what you mean, but it just hasn't been my experience, I'm pretty openly atheist, and while I'm annoyed by the lack of political representation, KPRF is not really cutting it, I haven't had it negatively affect me in any serious way. Sure some religious folk find my lack of faith disturbing, but I don't remember having anything nasty happening because of it and the Church doesn't seem particularly interested in denying scientific facts or oppressing atheists so I don't mind the current state of affairs too too much.

>>137066344
No offence but from here American election seems to be thoroughly falsified illusion of choice between two foulest turds, when people "vote" (not like their votes really count with the way they account them) for a nigger not for his non-existent virtues but simply to avoid even worse thing. Not even mentioning over-bloated bureaucracy. Our system is hardly better, but yeah, we don't want anything to do with US style of government.

Your constitution is pretty solid, though. At times it's the only things that stops asshats in power from ruining everything.

>>137062974
what about natalia? after putin, of course

>>137057902
The "free universities" is a meme. The admission was corrupt as fuck, children of government officials and academics were given free entrance, others had to either be outstanding students or bribe the dean. One positive factor from this was that it was really hard for (((them))) to get admitted lol.
In modern Russia, the universities admit a limited amount of students for free (government subsidized), that is a few dozens of people every year per major (overall hundreds of people every year get free admission). The rest of the students can get admitted if they agree to pay tuition. Amazing thing is, you don't have to have a good GPA or exam results to get admitted if you're willing to pay. Even the most prestigious universities will admit a literal retard with lowest exam scores if he agrees to pay tuition. That's pretty nice for those who didn't pass the exams well enough compared to others, but still wants to study. Are there other countries where it works like that, by the way? As far as I know, you can't pull that shit in the US.

>>137067525
>the universities admit a limited amount of students for free (government subsidized), that is a few dozens of people every year per major (overall hundreds of people every year get free admission).
Hundreds of people per university*
In case I didn't make it clear. So a high chance to study for free anyway.

>>137067484
She idolizes the single worst ruler in our entire history. Seriously, we had better brain-dead rulers than Concussed Nick.

>>137067484
natalia is a meme
>>137067363
This. electoral college seems to have stagnated the whole thing, leaving you in hands of 1 party with 2 masks. don't even get me started on gerrymandering

>>137067484
Poklonskaya pissed off so many people in so many different ways that the only reason she is still around russian politics is because she is hot. Well that and the international meme fame, which is not something I could have imagined affecting russian politics until it did..


>>137067525
>As far as I know, you can't pull that shit in the US
Oh yes you very much can pull that shit anywhere, you just generally have to be more creative about it.

>>137067747
We had a couple worse ones among the tsars, than there was gorbachev, but yeah, Nicky is not someone you want people to associate you with.

>>137067363
Yeah America is pretty authoritarian in. the options that are given, but every president seems to level out and does the best for the country that they can do or think there doing. I can go for hours about deep state interference and what not but I won't, I'm a proud patriot at heart and respect the president either way, because they are the president and should be given the respect hey deserve.
>inb4 called a bootlicker
The constitution is what generally saves the American people from a lot of PUBLIC over reach, I use that word very seriously, because we all know they don't care behind closed doors.

>>137067525
That is because most university(I would even say all) are diploma mills. They will give you the paper but in the end you will still have to learn to pass the qualification exams or you can just be another taxi driver with bachelors in law

>>137067525
Admission now is more corrupt than ever.
Yes, you had to actually fucking study and think instead of bribing your way in like you do now. And funding and other resources were easy to secure as long as you worked hard and got results.

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This thread was a very interesting read.

>>137067747
I have no strong feelings on Nicholas, I feel like his circle is as much, if not more to blame for his failings than he himself. I was surprised to find how many tsarizts are still around. If monarchy was restored, who would they put on the throne?

>>137068249
Yeah anon I tend to do action threads to see whats going on and to get first hand opinions. There pretty comfy as long as trolls stay out. I did a Poland thread on the Holocaust not to long ago also.

ask not action

>>137067920
>which is not something I could have imagined affecting russian politics until it did
That is what US said. everyone underestimated meme magic (which is populist support and international PR under another name)

>>137054476
Not Russian, but Latvia was occupied. All I can say is that it's complete shit, not to mention the situation of USSR, I mean the shit was so bad you couldn't even get a FUCKING MEAT IN STORES.

Also the USSR was formed by (((them))).

>>137068340
If you must know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchist_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Karl_Emich_of_Leiningen

>>137068044
>Yes, you had to actually fucking study and think instead of bribing your way in like you do now.
U wot m8, the point I made was that it worked like this:
A university announces that it will admit 30 students this year for Physics major. Out of the 30 seats:
>5 goes to children of government officials
>5 goes to children of academics and their friends/relatives
>5 goes to those who bribed the dean
>15 goes to actual hard working students
So 15 others who actually had the capacity to pass and study are left out. At least today they can pay tuition and get admitted, back in the day they had to choose another (a shittier) uni or forget about higher-ed.

>>137068044
how common is the lada niva?

>>137064025
Give this guy a medal

Man why does our kike government have to make our country hate Russia?
I hate our """"allies""" Saudi Arabia and Israel much more. T*rkey, is not my ally either or any of Africa

>>137068548
pass. I never understood how England could have a king/queen that was a royal from Germany or France, at that point you are just a colony of that country.

>>137068938
>Man why does our kike government have to make our country hate Russia?
Geopolitics. End of story. That would be also why you support the KSA.


>>137068993
Nah, it doesn't work like that, see Cathrine The Great.

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>blah-blah instead of stats

>>137068650
unfortunately uncommon. The streets look mostly the same as in any other country, even the satellite states have lots of imported cars (as you may have seen from dash cam vids)

>>137068650
Rare in Moscow nowadays. I just returned from Armenia though, and they fucking love Niva, I saw so many of it. As I was explained to, they love Mercedes G-Klasse, but those who can't afford it settle for a Niva as an alternative lol.

>>137068938
because you where going to hate islam but got cut off halfway and now they are defaulting to the red menace. people are not feeling it so now you even have meme threats like NK

>>137069048
>it doesn't work like that
I know but it feels like that.

>>137069117
interesting that Russia's is decreasing. Do you think that trend will last?

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>>137069488

well yeah, 10 years and it is gonna be okay maybe, if we won`t fall for (((Navalny))) meme, millenials are so hard shilling for him.

>>137069488
What does the chart even mean? its high in the 90s but do you not know anything about the Russian 90s?
>Do you think that trend will last?
I think once the industries started to combat sanctions settle in, it will level out

>>137067990
Patriotism is a good thing, so long it doesn't shift into nazism or blind stupidity.
>>137068340
Grigori Rasputin had more sense than him in all matters of state. Crazy illiterate monk that spend his days drinking and fucking.
>who would they put on the throne
The same thing slavs did for centuries. Open a free-for-all for varyags and put the one surviving on the throne.
>>137068610
That's what happens now. Cept those fifteen places go to are occupied by rich chechen and official's relatives that still struggle with multiplication table.
Back then it was more like two of the first, six of the second and none of the third. Keep in mind that back then those children of academics knew their stuff much better than ordinary students and a solid chunk of professors simply wasn't bribe-able. You could put a gun to his head, and with his final lurch he'd still fail you.

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>>137054476
People like Soviet Union not because communism as an ideology but because we were stronk and in general life was simpler, safer and more stable back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKaedJyARWg

>>137070008
>Open a free-for-all for varyags and put the one surviving on the throne.
does not seem to go with their romantic sensibilities

>>137068610

>30 Phy maj.

What is that uni?

>>137054476

Australian here,: travelled to Russia a couple of times, had a Russian exchange student:

What I can surmise (based upon who i've talked to and data):

People of all ages are nostalgic of the Soviet Period, but only the older people who had actual memories of the 1970's are actually nostalgic of Communism. The core voter base of the CPRF are pensioners and the old: people who actually lived through the good years of Soviet control, while the younger generations shun bolshevism because they never lived during the good years.

As a basic rule: people yearn towards greatness. the Soviet Union with all it's flaws was great, an economic, scientific and military super power with only one rival. The high levels of prosperity for your average working man was greater than that of the west until the economic decay and stagnation set it. People always had a job, people always had access to good quality free education and healthcare, crime was largely non-existent, people felt safe, people felt they were truly apart of something. Then of course Brezhnev and his supporters failed to modernize, inefficiencies with an old system broke it's back and the rest is history.

All this could be wrong, but this is the general idea I got from talking to people.

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>>137070103
from darkness to light
from war to books
from grief to happiness.

formatting is so puzzling that I had to reread it 4 times to get the meaning

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>>137070008

>rich chechen

Oh yeah, humanities and economy are occupied by worst types of churka

>t.chemistry semi-azeri, participated in uni by olympiad

>>137070103
This is a different view point from the rest, interesting is that your personal belief or what you know from fellow countrymen?
>>137070008
Yeah I've noticed Russia is anti Nazi for the most part, that whole kill all slavs and take there land think wasn't a good idea. My personal ideology though is do onto others as you would like done onto you.

>>137070008
>hat's what happens now. Cept those fifteen places go to are occupied by rich chechen and official's relatives that still struggle with multiplication table.
Man it's a fucking meme. I look at the admission charts from time to time, and Muslim-sounding names are rare among those who are given free admission. Then again, I can only speak about prestigious unis in Moscow (MSU, HSE, Plekhanov, MФTИ, etc.), so maybe it is like you're saying in shittier ones. When I got admitted to the uni in 2010 (one of the top unis in Moscow), the only guy who got in unfairly, among the 25 people given free admission, was the son of a dean of another faculty at that uni. They made him fake papers that he's disabled. The guy later won the tennis championship in the uni lol.

>>137070108
Pretty romantic concept. Still fuels the wet dreams of our wewuz dolboslavs and monarchists.
Who else? That jew pretending to be the last Romanov?

>>137070212
Its very close to the mark. generally getting off our knees is a big talking point

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>>137070423

>tfw you`ve choosed your own Perdyaevsk Uni instead of MSU or RChTU, so now lab is full of grants, and muscovites sucking dick

feels good

>>137070212
Yeah same, from this thread and the outside world as well.

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>>137070103
but was it so or are we falling for memes?

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>>137070448
>That jew pretending to be the last Romanov?
That would be another great day for comedy

>>137070423
Nah, their surnames aren't that Muslim, and they drop off pretty fast from proper institutions. Or finally figure it's simpler to buy a diploma than actually attend. In grand scale of thing official's relatives are much worse problem.

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>>137054476
Communism is shit. There is no freedom, no opportunities, not even food and toilet paper. You could earn a lot of money in the USSR, but there's nothing to buy for them. Stay 3 hours in line for meat.