Ancient Roman Ethnicity VS Modern Italians??

>>137047929
>You will never snuggle into her ass

J U S T

They were Gauls who were slowly mixing into the Greeks, modern Italian has a layer of Germanic on top of that.

>>137048048
Brainlet devoted to a brainlet.

>>137047929

ancient romans were 'natives' to the peninsula.that had been living there as long as they could remember, longer than written language. They were not germanic. They hated germanics. Julius was not a germanic, he slaughtered germanics.

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>>137047929
Most Italians who emigrated to America were from the South, especially Sicily and Calabria. Basically Moorish rape babies. That's why so many of them are swarthy and have kinky hair. Pic related is a Northern Italian.

>>137047929
The fact that she was born in Italy doesn't mean that she's Italian in ethnicity, she's clearly mixed.
Having been to Italy I can say for a fact that Italians are whiter.

>>137047929
Pretty much identic.
Blonde hair were used by whores in brothels (slaves from the savage lands and fake one that paint their hair).

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We're almost Romans.

>>137047929
reminder that Aryan male model is kissing a coal burner

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>>137047929
Nope,Romans were Latins and that is what most modern Italians are.

>Aryana Grande
Nice example,how about Ignazio Abate?

>>137047929
The right places for germanic tribes is being enslaved.

>>137047929
Ariana grande says herself she is an amerimutt with North African, Greek, some Italian, and an unknown blend for the rest. She is not "Italian"
The Jew rat next to her is Mac miller, and Jews are not white

>>137048738
She looks italian to me.
She larp as a mutt because murricans and latin america is made of mutts, and she want to sell.

>>137048738
basically mystery meat
typical amerimutt, she would make a good mcdonalds burger

>>137048684
Be fair, what percentage of Italians look like that? Probably less than 5%.

>>137048147
>they hated Germanics
Kek what? You're projecting your retarded politics onto ancient people. Most Roman territory was semi-autonomous. They didn't exterminate people's an move in. They subjugated them and demanded military aid. And are "they" the Romans from 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago or?

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>>137048350
This guy is British.Is he ''moorish rape baby'' too? You wanna show some Brits here?

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>>137047929
looks like some sort of mud race... def not italian

also rita ora is albanian

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>>137048350
Okay, so if southern Italians are Moorish rape babies, then whose rape babies are the northern Italians?
Did we Germanics bleach northern italians? Did we rape light coloured eyes and hair into them?
Or did the Ancient Italians always have light skin, light eyes & hair independent of us bleaching them?

>>137047929
WTF does she see in that guy? What an odd choice she's made.

>>137049443
They are sons of slave germanic whores.

>>137047929
In Italy, there were a number of major ethnic groups:

1. Italics; Indo-Europeans, whom were descendants of a mish mash of pre-historic migratory wave from areas around the Fertile Crescent (but before 'civilisation' appeared over there). Closely related to Celtic peoples. They inhabited ALL of Italy south of the Appenines

2. Gauls; Celtic Indo-Europeans, same pre-historic origins as Italics, arrived in North Italy much later than the Italics

3. Etruscans; Seem to be a mix of Proto-Europeans and Fertile Crescent immigrants, chiefly Anatolia (Hittites). Important to note, they, along with modern Tuscans have the highest degree of Neanderthal admixture in Europe. They are also the predecessor to Rome, Rome itself was a Etruscan colony, and the Etruscan Religion is the pioneer of the Roman Republican Mysticism.

4. Greeks & Punics: Colonists from Greece, Carthage and Phoenicia. They inhabited mainly the coastal regions of South Italy and Sardinia/Corsica

5. Nuraghe; Proto-European population native to Sardinia and Corsica

6. Ligurians; Another Recent Fertile Crescent Culture, like the Etruscans, though only subtly intermixed with an unknown proto-european

Most of Italy's Genes come from the Fertile Crescent, either from Pre-Historic Migrants, or latter 'civilised' Migrants. Proto-European genes are found strong in Sardinia. Corsica, Liguria and Tuscany also contain some but to a much lesser extent due to mixture.

Latter waves of immigration didn't affect Italy as much as people think, Germanic admixture is low, and Arab mixture is non-existent. The 'Moorish' South Italian blood does not come from Moors, they were all expelled and or killed, it comes from Greek and Greek Speaking Levantiners who migrated to some parts of Italy, while it was still under Byzantine Rule, to escape the Muslim invasions.

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>>137047929
>Hi /Pol/ can you please tell me what was the genetic ethnicity of Ancient Romans

They were Latins who came from Latium and spoke Latin language.Google in wikipedia

>Pic related: Italian-American singer Ariana Grande throwing herself at an Aryan male model.

I know famous people from Italy who WAY more White then that guy next to Ariana like this actress.

>>137047929

According to historian Will Durant, the Italians became significantly German once they began advancing on the Empire. The Lombards, right?

Arianna Grande doesn't look Italian - not northern Italian or southern Italian. She looks Middle Eastern or South American.

>>137049023

They did hate germanics, and they viewed themselves as far above them.

>They didn't exterminate people's an move in.

you are the one that is projecting. I never said they did. What I said was true, in Julius's own words.

source: "De Bello Gallico" and Other Commentaries by Julius Caesar

its free on project gutenberg and many other sites.

>>137049614
Actually best answer.

>>137049443
there never was such a thing as Italy... that part of the world was after the fall of Rome a patchwork of city states and micro countries... Modern day italy was founded in the 19th century, by uniting everything south of the alps.

Up north people and tribes live that were ethnically part of swiss, austria and germany.

>>137049740
;)

>>137049614

>German admixture is low

Who are the Lombards?

>>137047929
That guy must be a turbomanlet, Ariana Grande is like 5'2

>>137049852

HE'S 5 FUCKING 7. Holy FUCK.

>>137048597
>that literal neckbeard of Nero

>>137049023
>They didn't exterminate people's an move in.
Go tell that to the Etruschi. Roman basically erased their culture from the face of the Earth.

>>137049836
Lombards were a Galloroman (Italo-Gaulish) peoples, whose Monarchy descends from a Germanic Clan (the Langobards). The Highest Germanic Admixture in Italy is actually in the former Austro-Hungarian Territories and ironically Sicily. 'White' North Italy comes from Gaulish blood.

>>137049836
Stupid larpers who like to put horns on their heads.

>>137049996
They weren't massacrated.
Etruscan just stopped use their language, after less than 100 years, as an historian with etruscan ancestry (don't remember the name) testimony how much he was shocked that he couldn't find anyone who speak their ancient language.

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>>137049614

Where the fuck are you getting this stuff, autist?

>>137050144
History books?
It is common knowledge.

>>137047929
Also, Caesar descended from an Ancient Patrician Family, which meant he descended from the Etruscans, whom were the Aristocratic class in the original Roman colony, while Italics were the lower classes.

>>137050140
It is not only about the language. It is also about their "stuff". What have we got of them? A few coins we know that can't be roman, some painting and few pieces of pottery.

>>137050144
>>137050213
As it is common knowledge that longobards and "romans" (as they called them at that time) didn't mixblood.
Then they were wiped out almost entirely when they lost against franks.

>>137049852
>>137049943

He also looks and dresses like a meth head. Is tweaker chic a thing now? Trailerpark chic?

>>137049443
I'm from the south and the only 2 people that look like the people around here is the girl with red dress and the guy with spikes...

the rest of that group does not look like people here... they are some sort of odd mud race and def not southern Italian

>>137049614
superior post

>>137050144
I'm an Archaeologist who specialises the Ancient world. It is also fairly well known amongst Italians.

>>137050247
Entire cities and necropolis?
Wtf.
Roman kings where etruscan, what the fuck.

>>137047929
northern italy is more like old rome southern italy are a bunch of shit skinned arab mixes

>>137050213

Common knowledge is Greeks and Punics - perhaps Gauls and Etruscans.

Nuraghe is not, Ligurians is not. I've never even heard of the Italics, to be frank.

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>Ceaser's ethnicity on Encyclopedia Britannia and it says he was a Germanic aristocrat.

That's a made up lie.Germanic tribes were barbarians,there had no aristocrats at that time,most Emperors came from central Italy from Latium region specially the early ones.
If you want to know more about their ethnicity and identity,check this Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins

ariana grande dated big sean and she's not italian
-the ariana grande fanatic

>>137050370
Italian common knowledge at least.
Even if we have some celt-larping faggots.

South italy is more "longobard" than lombardy.
Pizza is a longobard term.

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>>137049542
Dude stop calling our Germanic females whores. After all, you don't see me calling your italian sister Snooki and other Italian females whores.

>>137050330
Ancient astronaut theorists would agree with that.

>>137050304
I think they are Armenians or something.

>>137050479
She's american.
Not italian.
And don't be mad for random joke, when you ask something like 4 thousands of history.

>>137050479
>namefagging as Wit Wolf
>calling Germanics "our females"
Gaan slaap, dom naaier.

>>137050516
Can't tell if you're stupid or really good troll

>>137050471
This. South Italy ironically has more nordic blood then everywhere else in Italy outside the former Austrian territories.

>>137050370
Latin is an Italic language, the Latins were one of the many Italic tribes.

>>137050479
I'm Italian and have always been disgusted by snooki. If consider her latina tier garbage at best.

Have fun in the upcoming race war in SA.

>>137047929

The Southern half of Italy got ISLAMED and was under muslim occupation for a long time during the Middle Ages. I wouldn't be surprised if modern Italians are more akin to Arabs than they are to white people. Kinda like the Greeks.

>>137047929
>aryan male model

LOL. He's rapper Mac Miller.

>>137047929
Which Julius Caesar are you talking about?

>>137050696
No it didn't, only Sicily got conquered by moors, who didn't convert many people and were soon victims of genocide and exodus. They leave almost no genetic influence. South Italy gets it's middle Eastern Genes from Pagan Punics and Christian Greeks and Levantiners.

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>>137047929
>Aryan male model

Looks like a crackhead.

>>137050696
sicily was a muslim state, with some religous cult leader like al baghdadi at one point in history

they still dig up grave stones with Arab scriptures on it there once in a while

>>137047929
Ancient Italians and modern Italians are basically the same thing.

In general, Italians are darker and swarthier than their neighbors to the northwest. It's the case now and it was the case in 100 BC when Julius Caesar was born.

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>>137049673
>>137048147
You have a very weak grasp of history.
https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

>>137050696
>The Southern half of Italy got ISLAMED
And now your country is the heart of the Caliphate. Oh, the irony of History.

>>137050304
Probably Albanians

>>137047929
>Aryan male model
That's her boyfriend Mac Miller, a Jewish rapper

>>137051012
You know that for an italian Clint Eastwood is blonde, right?
Did you see the spaghetti western movies?

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>>137051028

Please do go on.

>>137051012
These qualities were common for Etruscans, of whom most noble families descend.

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>>137047929
Why don't you pick a real italian instead of a filthy american latina mongrel?

>>137049286
Wtf is she suppose to be? Nigger or sand nigger, she is definitely not white

>>137051028
"fair characteristics"

Romans were not white and blonde, though. But they valued and later coveted the blonde characteristics of the barbarians they encountered.

>>137047929
Rollo the Viking

>>137048147
Rome was nothing without Hellenes lol

>>137049096
Celtic black hair with Anglo-Saxon brown eyes.

>>137051140
Who would cum at the notion that someone thought of him as an "Aryan male model"

Caesar's family came from old patrician roots, his ancestors were senators at the very beginning of the republic. His family had fallen into poverty and he grew up in the slums of Rome, this made him an effective politician in the class wars that dominated the late republic.

Some of the best emperors, Hadrian and Trajan came from Spain.

>>137051199
American latina mongrels are often hot as fuck, sir.

>>137050682
>onironisch nikker nederlands praten
nice meme

>>137051239
But Etruscans, Gauls and Italics were. In fact, fair skin is still prominent amongst many who inhabit the mountains that go straight through the centre of Italy, even in the South Italy region of Basilicata. These regions have the purest 'italic' genes.

>>137048738
she's 100 percent italian. southern Italians were colonized by ancient greece and imported people from borth africa in ancient times those people bred with the local pre roman tribes

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>>137050220
Okay, but what is the racial classification of the Etruscans, such as Julius Caesar? Please don't say european. (I need to know their ethnic heritage, not their geographic heritage, please)

>>137048839
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>>137049542
same sporco terrone

Northern Italy up to Rome is France rightful clay, the south is just an Italian colony just like Lybia was
Come home, fratelli

>>137051012
>Blonde Italians don't exist
>Almost all of the sources come from long after the people died sometimes centuries

>>137051156
Anecdotal evidence mate.
Now I'm not saying that the Germans were the reason rome was so great, but surely that idiot denying that lots of people then had Germanic traits is more deserving of a reply.
>>137051182
Of Germanic Atruscians yes.

>>137049023
>They didn't exterminate people's an move in
it's estimated that Julius Caesar killed 30% of the Gallic population during his wars there.
>the Romans make a desert and call it peace

>>137051239
See>>137051012

youre all mexicans

>>137048597
except all of those modern Italians are dark hair and dark eyed while many of the Roman counterparts were fair haired and blue eyed.

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>>137051676
DO IT AGAIN CAESAR

I'm Sicilian on both sides and people usually think I'm mexican, a poo in the loo or a muslim. it's fucking retarded

>>137048422
she's gotten a tan

>>137051548
As I said in another post, Proto-European and 'Civilised' Fertile Crescent (immigrants from Anatolia during the time of the Hittites). They also have the highest Neanderthal admixture in their blood, and another place in the world with high admixture is Georgia. I would say the Near Eastern part made up the noble class, as it dominated culturally.

>>137051654
They weren't Germanic...

>>137051239

romans not white? if they weren't white then what were they exactly?

>>137051652
>blonde Italians don't exist
An American who hasn't left his trailer park is surely behind this post

>What is northern African admixture

>>137052003
>They weren't Germanic...
Source?

>>137052101
Use google for fucks sake it's not a revelation to geneticists nor archaeologists.

>>137051310
I've never heard of Anglo Saxon brown eyes before

>>137051548

italic. As you can see from those statues, if they had dark enough hair and eyes, and sallow complexions, they'd probably look italian. But if they had fair hair and eyes, and peachy / pink / golden complexions they'd look germanic

>>137051012

what are you trying to refute from my post?
your claims have no bearing on what I posted.

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>>137047929
this was her before (((hollywood))) told her to appeal to the muds.
She WAS white, now not so sure...

>>137052162
Burden of proof lies with you man

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>>137051239
>american grasp of history

>>137052076
Fairly minor. Of course this is /pol/ so clearly Muslims conquering Southern Italy for a short period of time means that every single Italian south of Rome was genocided and Southern Italians are pure Moors. Meanwhile North Italians are pure Germans thanks to the Lombards.

>>137050547
Armenians aren't that shitskinned.

>>137051137
Albanians aren't that shitskinned either.

>>137047929
if that creature with her is Aryan, we need to purge our own first.

>>137052208
>hated Germanics (the ethnic linguistic people)
>when many themselves were Germanic
That's what I'm refuting.
You done acting like a retard?

>>137052254
anon be for real
her ass is 100% more breathable now with her tan

Terrone subhumans aren't Italians.

>>137052317
I don't care to convince you, you're basically asking me to provide you with sources for the sky being blue. It's a waste of time because you're clearly only interested in believing only what you want to hear.

>>137047929
but why would she make out with a pirates fan ghetto trash faggot??????

>>137052568
I've posted sources to convince you, why can you not do the same?

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>all the salty germanic barbarians ITT

>>137052416

ancient romans were not germanic.
they fought the germanic tribes constantly. Is this controversial to you?

But don't take my word for it, take the words of Julius Caesar, my source.

>>137052800
I just said why: "I don't care to convince you" and "It's a waste of time because you're clearly only interested in believing only what you want to hear."

Also your source was a secondary source (hearsay), which is not scientific evidence.

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>>137052568
So any idea how an Etruscan person looked like? You seem to know a lot about them

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>>137053065
Like that.

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>>137048147
>Killing Krauts
And nothing of value was lost here

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>>137053195
Close enough.

>>137053065
Honestly, like modern day Tuscans. If you go to Tuscany and observe the people you will notice that there is something unique to them.

>>137051012
This meme was thrown into the basket long ago. That pic was made by stormfags. The first book doesn't even go that high in pages and when i tried to find links to the books stormfags put up i get 404. Its over hans. Back to your stuffed goat anus dinner.

>>137052961
>ancient romans were not germanic
Source? I'm the only one that has proven other wise.
>they fought the germanic tribes constantly
And? Germanic is an ethno linguistic group btw, not a race.
Just because they fought some Germanic tribes, that means they're not Germanic themselves right?

>>137053046
It literally has citings from historical literature if you even bothered to read the Source, which you obviously didn't.
>>137053065
Don't bother mate these guys are talking out of their arses.
They don't have sources.

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>>137047929
You wanna chery pick?This is a modern Italian from central Italy.Grande is mixed American who previously had Black boyfriend.

>>137053407
>That pic was made by stormfags
It's not made by storm fags, it has historical literature citings to go along with it.

But nice try trying to discredit it.

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>>137047929
>>137048350
>>137048597
>>137048684
>>137048497
>>137049614
>>137049740
>>137050995

>>137051633
Galli go home!
>Non auro, sed ferro, recuperanda est patria

>>137053558
Grey eyes are more common in Italy then elsewhere.
Why are you so much larping "we wuz romanz and shieet"?

>>137053405
>you will notice that there is something unique to them.
The fact that they are commies.

>>137047929
(((Italian-American)))

>>137053641
Galli, ite domus!

Fixed.

>>137053887
>American flag in the background
>Turkey (probably 4th of July)

>>137053426

>Germanic is an ethno linguistic group btw, not a race.

Exactly. They spoke a different language than the Romans, had a different culture than the Romans and lived on different land than the Romans. This is why they were in conflict. Julius Caesar talks about their differences extensively in the book he wrote which I sourced in my original post. Here, I'll source it again:

De Bello Gallico, by Julius Caesar

Additionally, the Germanic and Romance languages have fundamental structural differences.

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>>137051548
Lets also not forget that many sculptures of these men were slightly modified to 'ideal' standards of beauty. When the verism sculptures came up, caesar and augustus looked nothing like those ideal ,famous scultures. Vein just like most pizza niggers today. Also pure germanics don't have noses like that. Mediterranids and other southern euros have prominent long noses and high nose bridges. A lot of "pure germanics" actually have some kike in them. Most real germanics are adapted for cold environments which give them that asian like nose bridge almost.

>>137053887
(((google search)))

Sadly they are one of the most "liberal" region.
Btw they have more chinks there.

>>137053942
Shouldn't it be "domum"? "ite" requires accusativo, right?

>>137054052
Ideal?
Dafuq are you saying, those are realistic sculptures what the fuck.

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>>137053637
This

I have often wondered whether modern day Italians are related to the Ancient Italians & the Etruscans. Well /pol/ are they related, or not?

>>137053426
>It literally has citings from historical literature if you even bothered to read the Source, which you obviously didn't.

Yea, I did, and historic literature is not genetic testing, nor archaeological excavations. Something somebody said is called HEARSAY.

You're arguing with Italians (who are educated about this in school) and an Archaeologist.

>>137051789
This

>>137054093
4° declinazione, accusativo plurale -> domus
Avrei potuto usare il singolare, vero.

>>137052101
Etrsucan civilization never entered Germania you nigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

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>>137048350
Indeed

>>137053675
>Grey eyes are more common in Italy then elsewhere.
Thanks to Germanic admixture
>>137054026
Sadly we weren't talking about languages, we were talking about the racial makeup of ancient Romans.
You have no argument.

>>137054237
They weren't originally part of the Roman republic.
How's this an argument?
We are talking about the racial makeup of the Romans, not the Atruscians.
Please don't tell me you think they're the same thing

>>137054136
No guisseppe, look at the veristic sculptures. The sculptures started to incorporate their true characteristics. Augustus and caesar for example had radically different head structures in 2 different scultures. The veristic ones didn't flatter them as much

>>137054455
>>137054455
You think pre-industrial people interbred across the continent?

>>137047929
lol - Puerto Rican chick posing whoring herself to some northern Shitlib.

>>137053377
I see this guy (which I presume is a forensic facial reconstruction of a found etruscan skull?) and I see 50% of my italian mates. It´s striking! The facial bone structure is all there in 2017. Guess the peninsula didn´t change that much in the last couple of millennia.

>>137054455
Romans and Etruscans had close ties (especially commercially) from the very beginning.

>>137050479
Chilean fag here. That "female" was adopted by an italian-american couple from an orphan house in the southern chilean region. She is indian-spaniard mixed breed, not italian at all.

>>137049096
>what are celts

>>137047929
First off she isn't Italian, she's greek/north african. Second off, he's kissing a niggers dick

>>137054655
So that means they're the same people amirite

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>>137054841
>north african

>>137048120
Basically this
>>137048597
And this

>>137053637
>>137051844
You guys are retarded.
Sicily was invaded by North Africans, but later literally fucking Nords (the Normans)
The rest of Italy was actually bleached heavily by German invaders.

>>137054861
No? It does not. Culturally they are completely separate. Etruscans were masters of commerce, sailing, art and technicalities meanwhile the several communities living near Rome were mostly farmers.
They are not the same people, but the had close ties.

If I wanted to use an hyperbole I would say that it is like saying Indians and Brits are the same just because you shared some commerce.

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>>137054950
>vikings and foreest niggers are white!

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Very Germanic am I rite'

>>137054903
Not even going to bother googling it but she said herself on twitter she's not Italian but greek/north african. Yea Italy is fucked though

>>137054319

>Sadly we weren't talking about languages, we were talking about the racial makeup of ancient Romans.

>Germanic is an ethno linguistic group btw, not a race.

>when many themselves were Germanic
>That's what I'm refuting.

>Just because they fought some Germanic tribes, that means they're not Germanic themselves right?

These are all your posts. You need to straighten yourself out, you are internally inconsistent.

Romans were not ethnically Germanic. Romans were not racially of the Germanic tribes. This is my argument, my source is Julius Caesar. There are plenty more. This is well established fact.

>>137047929
>tiny ass lips.
That bitch is not Italian.

>>137049614
I wish I had a brain like this.

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>>137047929
They were a multi ethnic society. The Roman aristocracy was white though.

>>137047929
Read "The Aenid". Turks deserve more credit for founding what was to become Rome. It was also interest you to know that the history of Thor (yes, Thor, the nazi pagan LARPers favourite) claims he was Turkish too, but I think he was Indian (Indra).

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>>137047929
Nothing better to do on a Saturday morning then LARP as a Roman?

>>137055953
>Anatolian weren't white

>indo Aryans weren't white

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>>137047929
I love Italy.
Richest history and best food.

>>137056318
https://youtu.be/0rVYMJP6trE

Africa/Sweden-tier in places

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>>137056318
>best food.

>>137056318
I agree with this post.

>>137051974
I know that feel. American ideas of race are absolutely fucking retarded

>>137051437
Have you read Jacques Huergon - lives and habits of Etruscans (not sure about the correct title since i read it in my language)?
It is highly possible that people in Slovenia (that are living in more remote places) are remnants of those same Etruscans...
I'd also recomend Anton Perdih - Izvor slovencev in drugih evropejcev (origin of slovenes and other europeans) but is not available in english as far as i know
Good posts anon

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>>137049286
Looks like her mom fucked a non-white UN peacekeeper, she definitely doesn't look Albanian.

Here's a pic with her sister who looks more Albanian and not mixed like Rita does.

>>137057004
>WE WUZ ETRUCANS AND SHIEEET

>>137051844
This meme again

>Sicily
>Roman

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>>137056937
I can't always tell difference between Mexicans and tanned Asians.

>>137048350
Northern italians are just germanic rape-babies by your definition.

>>137049443
>implying romans did not raped germanic wildlings for century before the fail.

>>137057446
centuries*

>>137057260
This woman is mestizo I think?
The BAMN woman.

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>>137057575
Yvette Felarca

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https://youtu.be/FUAaFavh8sA

>>137050304
The two you picked are the darkest ones in the pic but you called the others mud people? lol fucking moron

>>137057187
Bait aside, recent DNA tests confirm that, but it is only a portion of what could be said about the subject in certainty
Plus i fully agree with AnZacNon that Rome was/is Etruscan colony, for what i would add that they separated from the main part and evolved into known ancient Rome as we know it today

>>137057241
it's true m8

>>137048350
>Moorish rape baby meme

The Moors were Caucasians not black as somany try and meme so regardless it wouldn't have genetically changed Romans much

Its Northern Italians that have the least Roman genetics. Most are Germanic rape babies.

>>137053426
>being this retarded

Latin is a Romance language. Not the literal garbage your kind has imposed on the world that has no business being the Lingua Franca

>>137047929
Julius Caesar was a Germanic aristocrat in that he was an Aristocrat who ruled over Germania after curb stomping the Gauls all over the fucking place and writing about it.

The Republic-Imperial era romans were all Latins and Sabines. Roman myth held that they were descended from the Trojans. The Roman Aristocracy/Equites, which was firmly passed down patrilineal familial lines by law (for a while it was even illegal for a Plebian to marry an Equites) traced it's lineages back to the original founding families of the cities along-side the mythical Romulus.

Non-Roman italians didn't even earn full citizenship until the mid/late republic, and people who were not italians could not be full Roman citizens until loooonnngg after Caesar was dead.

Now, the Plebians of Rome, the commoners, they would and could always be mutts combined of all sorts of ethnicity due to the Roman habit of shipping in slaves. Rome was a melting pot, but it's ruling class was firmly Latin and little else, at least until very late in it's history.

History of Rome blog is good, I heartily recommend it

>>137051974
>Sicilian
Sicily has been conquered by every fucking power in the Mediterranean, from the north African Carthaginians, to the Romans, the Greeks, the Moors. If it was in boat distance, Sicily shares ancestry with it.

>>137051548
Etruscans were a tribe native to the north western coastal regions of Italy. They were Indo-European

>>137058273
>those Empanadas in Spain's side

Man I haven't had a good Empanada since I moved to the states.

>>137058210
Roman myth also held that their city was founded by a fratricidal deity and inhabited by thieves, vagabonds and beggars who then stole all the women they needed to procreate.

the Romans were based.

>>137047929
Even to this day northern Italy is full of blonde blue eyed alpenvolk. No surprise here.

Romans were a Latin people, though Rome later became a multicultural city.

Whether Italians today are genetically identical to the Romans is doubtful. They got heavily intermixed with Goths and other Barbarians from 3-400 CE and onwards.

>>137055953
Jesus fucking christ you're retarded. ANATOLIA was heavily populated by GREEKS. GREECE and ROMANS are integrally linked. It is why they connected so thoroughly through the Roman takeover of Greece, and through the Greek continuation of the Roman Empire.. Sadly, Germanics had to destroy all of that. Rome could not stand between white niggers to the north and brown niggers to the south. If only a Roman Emperor had the stomach to incorporate Germania, but then, they'd be dealing with the mongoloids down the line anyways, who as we know sided with the mudslimes. Ah well, all's well that ends well.

>>137056318

second that

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>>137047929
Ariana Grande is not naturally that colour.
This is her when she was young.

Julius Caesars actual name was Julian Kaiser , PASTANIGGERS BTFO

oh and colour doesn't exist in ancient latin and greek so stop posting your retarded maps you mongoloids, and go read a book or two

>>137059517
>Julian
source?
>Kaiser
this is true, the Romans never used a soft C, it would have always sounded like a K. Kenturion, Kikero etc.

>>137059592

> can't recognize a simple joke

literally an australicus pithecus i'm replying to

>>137047929
Mac Miller has a jewish mom and he had a Bar-mitzvah at the age of 13.

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>>137047929
>arianna grande as an example
dude...

>>137059517
WE

>>137058273
Literal shitskins

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>>137059641
your joke sucked.

>>137059755

she has a very gracile mediterranid face, she's a very good example regardless of her skin colour

maybe she is also part reduced cromagnoid , and had surgery (very likely for her nose)


>>137059757

WUZZZZ SPQRs AND SHIETTTTT

>>137059837

still better than that retard posting a chart of "blonde" roman rulers, when colour doesn't even exist (neither in ancient greek nor in ancient latin)

things were always innate to the object , so wood is wood coloured, hair is hair coloured etc.

>>137059847
well op was obviously referring to the skin colour

>>137059960

skin colour is really unimportant for greater racial classification, as it can change very quickly (in a couple of generations)

but it's funny ofc that shes tanning herself into a niggie

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When she tells you she loves bad boys...

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>>137060120

how can uh ave a crush on this girl? she's 30 yeras old and looks like she is 8


are you a pedo? ur porbalby a fan of this one too aren't you ,....

>>137057827
it fucking isn't you emu rape survivor, romans had dark hair and brown eyes

>>137055953
it's a fucking book you moron, it never happened, jesus christ...

>>137060320

you don't know about THORJIT SINGH the greatest SON OF ODINVIR-SUDHIPILLAI , the father of the Asgardian race?

>>137059926
>>137060277
Plutarch described Sulla as being blonde, and it's generally thought that he had reddish-blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>137052076
>muh north african admixture
Where did this admixture come from btw between the time period of Ancient Rome and now?
>inb4 muh slaves from North Africa and the Middle East
"Generally slaves in Italy were indigenous Italians, with a minority of foreigners (including both slaves and freedmen) born outside of Italy estimated at 5% of the total in the capital, where their number was largest, at its peak. Those from outside of Europe were predominantly of Greek descent."
>Santosuosso (2001), pp. 43–44
>Noy, David (2000). Foreigners at Rome: Citizens and Strangers. Duckworth with the Classical Press of Wales.
So it is clear that the non-European admixture is negligible.
From then on the only Middle Eastern presence in Italy was the Arab conquest of Sicily. Apart from that since the fall of the Roman Empire when Italy has been subjugated it has been by other European peoples or nations.
Also, see:
>>137048597

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>>137060644
>one emperor was blond so now everyone must be blond
do you even read what you write?

>>137060981
>emperor
lel
>romans had dark hair and brown eyes
this is what you said, it's wrong. there are plenty of prominent Romans that are today considered to have had blue, grey or green eyes and blonde or red hair. they didn't all look like Cesc Fabregas.

>>137049614
>Indo-Europeans... from areas around the Fertile Crescent
Colin Renfrew pls.

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Ok here a brief sum of romans and italians.

After the fall of Rome all romans who were on italian penisula vanished (in the end if Roman empire fall how romans survived this? Checkmate atheists!). Nothing happened in Italy (but there are a lot of fabricated sorytales on people in Italy doing things) due to the fact the penisula was non habitated, until 1861 when the Savoia, an alien population from Andromeda galaxy, came on Earth on a giant space battleship called "Risorgimento". Seeing that there was a desertified place with no one in it (the italian penisula) they occupied it peacefully re labeling themselves as "Italians" (after the name of the place).

If you have question feel free to answer i know everything about the difference between ancient germanic aryan blonde-blue eyed romans and modern italian. I've over 9000 hours of studies on anglo and burgers books and i'm a truly and certified intellectual.

Feel free to screenshot this post and re-post it when these or "are italians white?" (they're not, they're aliens from Andromeda) threads randomly pop-up.

>>137059829
I'd like to know how you look. Probably blonde ,blue eyed ,190cm tall Aryan...

>>137059394
>>137059755
what happened? why? also i thought she was hispanic not italian

>>137047929
how the FUCK do you get a receding hairline behind your ear???

>south of 45°N
>white
Pick only one.

>>137062428
probably shaved it mate

>>137062690

No she started balding because of how often her hair was bleached and dyed when she was starring in some Nickelodeon show. Someone posted a picture of it earlier in the thread. That's also why she wears her hair up in a high ponytail all the time.

>>137047929
>giving attention to bland autotune whores that don't write their own shit

>>137062905
oh, that's pretty weird. being a child star really messes you up as a human being.

>>137060644


there is no colour in those languages, do you even understand that?

most philologists believed acnients romans and greeks TO BE COLOURBLIND

anybody telling you that any of those people "described hair colour, eye colour etc." is bullshitting you

lol
she is north african she's said so herself
yeah sure her family lived in italy
she's not italian though

>>137063376
>most philologists believed acnients romans and greeks TO BE COLOURBLIND
lel so what, they saw in black and white? they would've known what colour eyes and hair they had mate.

>>137058507
yes, the raping of the Sabine women. Keeping in mind this means the ancient definition of Rape, not the modern. That is, they stole their brides - which wasn't all that uncommon back in those days, and was a form of elopment in some cases.

However apocryphally it led to war, a war in which said stolen women intervened to force peace between the two tribes as either their husbands or fathers/brothers would be killed in the fighting.

>>137060981
Nobles were not average Romans. That picture is absolutely true for the Plebians, but not the Equites.

>>137063376
>The Romans were colorblind

What horrendous meme is this? You don't mean literally I hope. That's absurd. If you mean in the cultural terms of their language, yes absolutely.

>>137055953
The Roman legend of being descended from Trojan nobility is just that, a legend. They wanted to tie themselves to the Greek history they were appropriating to set themselves up as the oldest and most advanced civilization ever.

As for Thor, he is almost certainly conflated with any number of ancient thunder deities. You find similar gods the world over.

>>137063809

no, colour = something innate to the object

they don't know colour as a function but saw it as something that was inherent to every object (so a stone is stone-coloured , sea is sea coloured), whenever you read something about "X or Y had this hair colour" it's a INTERPRETATION of the translator, it's not the LITERAL translation

that's why, i'm twleling you to go and read a book or two, anybody who got a basic education in ancient greek knows this...

and some famous philologists (such as Nietzsche f.e. whose main occupation was being a professor in ancient greek and latin ) even thought them to be colour blind because of that

>>137058273
This. I love Spain and Italy. The people are fun. There's more life than cold boring bongland. The food is among the best in the world. And the women.

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>>137064095
i trust wikipedia and all the other sources i've found more than you sorry.

i know there is some truth in what you're saying, but even if what you're saying is completely correct it doesnt mean that none of the ancient Romans were blonde hair blue eyed, only that we'd never know specifically which ones were and weren't.

>>137054950
>The rest of Italy was actually bleached heavily by German invaders.
No it wasn't. Ostrogoths and Lombards kept themselves apart from the Latin population, even after they formally ruled over it. They had different sets of laws, and mixed marriages were very rare.

>>137064095
You know that's absurd. They weren't colorblind, they simply didn't care.

>>137052175
My entire family has colored features and I'm the only one with black eyes and black hair it's really fucking weird I also have Celtic blood in my family

There's little doubt anymore about racial continuity in Italy post iron age. Myceneans and Minoans were found to be closest to modern south Italians/Sicilians on the more near eastern side, and recently some Bell Beakers from central Europe were found to already fall in the north Italian cline of variation. You'd have to make up some serious shit to explain the genetics of modern Italians with these results and be able to introduce some significant population shift.

>>137064301

i have the big latinum and graecum , cus i went ot a good school where we were taught by people who do this professionally (and needed to earn money)

not gonna waste any more time with you on this matter, it's not a matter of "belief"

and ofc it dones't mean there weren't any blondes in ancient rome

BUT THERE AREN'T ANY COLOURS (in the modern sense) IN ANCIENT GREEK AND LATIN TEXTS

and anybody who is coming to you and trying to sell you some bullshit with "verified sources" is massively bullshitting you

>>137047929
http://www.giveshare.org/babylon/racechange.html
tl;dr rome did what america is doing and killed themselves by importing too many (slave) mexicans/nogs/etc

>>137064346
ive heard something similar, how for much of ancient history they had no word for "blue." the ocean was described as "wine coloured" in the Odyssey for instance. this has led to people speculating that ancient peoples didn't see that colour in the way that we do, that without a word for something you cannot represent it and truly 'see' it. weird idea.

>>137059394
>sweet young girl turns degenerate from hollywood culture
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

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She's a hobbit who dresses black BDSM bunny ears

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>>137060259
Women no matter what age are attracted to the same things a 12 year old girl would feel 10.000bc ago the moment she was impregnated

Imagine the Confidence, dominance and manliness how your x100 grandfather impregnated your x100 grandmother, his 25-30 year old dick must have been literally the size of her arm and his wiseness and knowlegde must have been astonishingly proportional to her because she has spent the past 12 years in a protected cave or protected community where as he on the other side was hunting pray he HAD to outsmart and protecting the community from other tribes e/c/t

so all the things women are attrackted to
>Confidence
>Strength
>Intelligence
>muh big dick
>dominance

and the same things for man

did women get impregnated when they were worn out 30 year old back then? no they were getting stuffed with babies once they were able to produce them

so ALL man are attracted to things in a women a 12 year old women would have

>Beauty of the youth
>Tight fit body
>Cuteness
>femininity or childishness
>tight vagina
>call me daddy
so tell me without the today social lense that a 30 year old man shouldnt take a 12 year old as his wife?

at 12 she is still formable and she can grow up to become the mans soul partner

a 18 year old women who has been indoctrinated and fucked by 6 different man will carry different aspects from each her lovers and be someone who is not FULLY compatible to you
Please critique because these things I came to as a conclusion frighten me because I know how wrong it sounds in todays world

>>137048422
>italian are whiter

They literally come in all shades ive seen an italian girl who looked legit half nig and even had the nappy hair but had 2 tanned italian parenrs from the south. Puglia. At the same time i have an italian friend ppl think is polish or russian

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>>137047929
>Are modern Italians in anyway genetically related to Ancient Romans?
no, romanians are the true last descendants of Rome

>aryan male model

Lol mac miller the wigger.

Italians have the most % of indigenous european DNA, nordcucks are just larping europeans

Italians are NOT white.

>>137047929

please dont compare the average italian to a coal burning pop singer

northern italy is whiter than germany ever was

>>137049443

no, these arent italians

these are wops. there is a difference.

>>137062230
jews happened

>>137049443
those ain't italians
that's what you get when you mix americans with anything

>>137063944
There was no ratial discrimination in ancient rome (besides if you were a nigger, most probably) but a classist one. You could be Berber, Terrone or anything but as long as you were from the Aristocracy or later the Equites (they became a thing just a while after Augustus) you ruled no matter your skin tone

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>>137053377
looks like Nando Paone

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>>137047929
HERE IS PROOF THAT ROME WAS GERMANIC

>>137068840
kek, lanklets BTFO