Should Australia acquire an aircraft carrier?

>>137033885
Why don't you already have 5-10? Every border you have is ocean.

>>137033885
>HMAS Melbourne (R21)
>Fate: Sold for scrap
RIP

No, you know you'd just fuck it up and put ramps on it

>>137033885
wtf for mate? It wouldn't be more useful than our current arsenal. You want it for China? They would be too busy dealing with the US and UK navy anyway.

>>137033885

Just build nukes and go full hermit kingdom.

Haahahahahhahaha ausfalia doesn't even have an aircraft carrier? No wonder lmao

>>137033885
We already have 2 and there fucked, also theyre helicopter carriers so souble fucked

Yes, get a hand me down from US.

Sure, but get some aircraft first.

Seeing as how Australia literally doesn't matter to the world, sure OP. Get an aircraft carrier.

>>137033992

They have a treaty that says YOU will save them when China invades

lol !!!

>>137034449
Go figure that the rebels have to save the commonwealth from the wogs.

no. huge waste of money. let the US go bankrupt paying China massive (((interest)))

>Australian """"""""military"""'""""

Why do you need an aircraft carrier that can be sunk by a $5,000 Chinese missile when your air force has an unending supply of Emu squadrons?

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>>137034545
You know, I think this is the first year of my life where I'm going to feel like I'm getting value for my taxes.

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>>137033885
>Australia GDP $1.2T
>NYC GMP $1.35T

Your entire nation has a lower GDP that my hometown, what do you need an aircraft carrier for?

I have a better idea: apply to be the 51st state, beat Canada and the UK to the punch.

This way you'll get dozens.

>>137034449
We really need to start reading all the terms and conditions before agreeing to shit.

>>137033885
Acquire some population first.

>>137034851
Like we need Bogans and Abos shitting up the place. There are enough shitskins and meth heads here already.

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>>137033885
No, just add propellers to Tasmania and use that.

>>137034213
You don't want us to have carriers. That's how US destroyers get their shit pushed in.

>On the night of 2–3 June, Melbourne and her escorts were involved in anti-submarine training exercises. In preparation for launching a Grumman S-2 Tracker aircraft, Stevenson ordered Evans to the plane guard station, reminded the destroyer of Melbourne's course, and instructed the carrier's navigational lights to be brought to full brilliance. This was the fourth time that Evans had been asked to assume this station that night, and the previous three manoeuvres had been without incident. Evans was positioned on Melbourne's port bow, but began the manoeuvre by turning starboard, toward the carrier. A radio message was sent from Melbourne to Evans's bridge and Combat Information Centre, warning the destroyer that she was on a collision course, which Evans acknowledged. Seeing the destroyer take no action and on a course to place herself under Melbourne's bow, Stevenson ordered the carrier hard to port, signalling the turn by both radio and siren blasts. At approximately the same time, Evans turned hard to starboard to avoid the approaching carrier. It is uncertain which ship began to manoeuvre first, but each ship's bridge crew claimed that they were informed of the other ship's turn after they commenced their own. After having narrowly passed in front of Melbourne, the turns quickly placed Evans back in the carrier's path. Melbourne hit Evans amidships at 3:15 am, cutting the destroyer in two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne%E2%80%93Evans_collision

>>137034851
China has two now btw
and you guys are getting a "super" one now iirc?

>>137035257
>Tanzania-Tasmania
nicely done

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>>137033885
You mean like HMAS Canberra and HMAS Adelaide?

They may be Landing Helicopter Dock vessels for amphibious warfare, but they are basically Aussie fits of Spanish Juan Carlos I, which is Harrier (and future F-35B) capable.

So yeah the Aussies totally could operate them like carriers. It just requires a significant investment in aircraft, personnel and equipment.
However it would mean the ships are no longer capable of performing the tasks they were bought for in the first place because the jets reduce the amount of helicopters and ground vehicles the ships can carry. So potentially a third ship may not to be bought to offset that. Or a whole new defence strategy needs to be thought up.

But it is possible. It just requires a shedload of money and the political will to do so.

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>>137035286
We are. The Gerald Ford Class. Nationalism aside, it's an interesting thing to read. No urinals for all of our transgenders and lesbians btw.
http://www.thefordclass.com/

>>137033885
Obviously you should just get full use of our Aircraft carriers. American attitude on survey, only ~3% fewer Americans would not go to war over an attack on Australian soil versus American soil.

Unspoken truth, Australia is the crazy brother nation that fights against the emus so we don't have to.

>>137035257
They should probably just take Norfolk Island. It's smaller but it has an airport and it wouldn't take as many propellers to move.

>>137033885
>acquire
Yeeeeaarrrrrr. This be a good plan, matey.

>>137035192

>Bogans
Dont exist
>Abos
Never heard from unless you go into the middle
>shitskins
Australia is well over 54%
>meth heads
Youre right about this one, theres so many

>>137034077
>put ramps on it
underrated.

Why would we need them? Carriers are for expeditionary forces where you need air supremacy far away from airfields. We don't have the desire of world domination so it would be a waste of money.

More subs will be a better investment.

>>137033885
No. They should instead use that theoretical money to retake government companies that they sold off. Only let female immigrants in and ship all the SJW fat cunts to Canada.

>>137034077

>ramps
Kek, anyone got that image?

>>137035714
Do you mean 54% shitskins? Maybe if your in Melbourne City or Sydney.

>>137035503
dumb, of course their are no urinals. Urinals are rarely on USN ships for a while. They don't work as well and they provide less flexibility on gender designation for heads.

also that's a beautiful shot. AFAIK the screws on that thing are classified.

>>137035816

54% white aka America

>>137033885
Only if it's gonna be nuclear powered

>>137035607
Disagree. With some small alterations to the shape of the mainland, Tasmania could dock very nicely. It could also have two huge runways crossing each other.

>>137035880
Ah right

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>>137034077

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>>137035857
Hey, I'm not in the Navy, just saw an article about it. It's a beautiful ship and I keep my sanity by assuming that my taxes go entirely towards things like that.

Whats /pol/s thoughts on a union with New Zealand, PNG and polynesia? It could help get Australia more stronk

>>137034851
>apply to be the 51st state
Best idea in the thread.

>>137036094
PNG would be a detriment retard. How about we only let countries in that don't have malaria?

>>137036094
We basically own PNG already.

>>137033885
Fuck the Aussies nigga

>>137036171

B-but m-muh historical value.
Would be easy to fix with our god-tier aus medical abilities

>>137035857
>screws
As a hobbyist carpenter, I scoff.

>>137036094
Nah, if those dirty spics in PR think they can be a state, you can be one too. You'd get 12 Senators and a bunch of Representatives. Plus if NK or China threatens you we'd nuke the shit out of them. You can't tell me your leadership would do that for you.

Australia doesn't need to project air power, and their nation is a damned solid aircraft carrier.
Plus how do you steer and aircraf carrier drunk on Foster's and constantly throwing shrimps on the barbie?

>>137036241
We used to ;_:

>>137033885
No. Aircraft carriers are going to be obsolete in short order.

Orbital bombardment platforms will be able to wipe out entire carrier fleets without any risk and for a fraction of the costs.

20 years and aircraft carriers will be no more than so many Polish cavalry men charging panzers.

>>137036285
Propeller

>>137033885
You need nuclear weapons.

>>137036258
>Would be easy to fix with our god-tier aus medical abilities
Yeah, if they paid us in full that is

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>>137036285

The only reason for getting one is that it allows us to project force away from the mainland which lets us keep a tighter leash over all the shitty island countries that we're somehow responsible for because we're the only adult in the whole region.

We'd never conduct solo operations against anyone else with one, we don't need one for defence, and any coalition ops we have will be with partners who have aircraft carriers or bases to operate from.

But we can project power just fine with the forces we have anyway. It's not like any of those shitty nations will be able to resist our Navy as it is, so why spend so fucking much on a boat we don't need.

We have two F-35B-capable carriers anyway. We just call them LHDs to keep the Greens quiet.

>>137033885
Why bother. We could never field the aircraft to make it feared.

>>137034039
it also liked to chop American destroyers in half

>>137033885
Why do they not have aircraft carriers?!?

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>>137036372
The secret is to have both

>>137036508
Our carriers are used to project force across the fuckhuge oceans. If you're just concerned about shitty island countries there are much better options with long range bombers.

>>137036297

Why would we want to be part of a non-white nation?

>>137036427
Or if in exchange, they provide us with frontline troops and give us their entire land so we can take Indonesia with our new upgraded army

Australia fascist superpower 2020

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>>137034039
Sold it to the PRC for scrap and because we didn't strip it properly they used it as the basis of their aircraft carrier research programme.

>>137036690
Exactly right, and we used to have F-111Cs for that purpose. I think our air-refuelling capabilities give us enough range on our F-18s though.

>>137036735
>Why would we want to be part of a non-white nation?
Go easy man. Americans can't handle bantz like we can

>>137036735
Chinese aren't white my friend. Realistically, though, outside of California, NY and Florida we are ballpark 75% white. Imagine a Commonwealth without those idiots in the UK running things. It's a dream and will never happen, but we could do great things together.

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>>137033885
For what purpose? When in the foreseeable future would we need to project overseas power in a situation where we aren't a part of an American carrier group?

More missile cruisers.

>>137036922
Shit, at least I can buy a house in my hometown because no gooks want to live here.
>inb4 gooks like living in your town rather than mine
There's a lot of money in rubber dogshit from china.

>>137036735
>Why would we want to be part of a non-white nation?
because you can boost us from 60% to 68%

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>>137036984
>Imagine a commonwealth without those idiots in the UK running things

>>137036372
>Mfw orbital ship battles in WW3

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>>137035192
>>137035714
He meant Bunyips, not Bogans. We have enough Bigfeet here. Stay out.
>just kidding, Aussies are great

>>137035286
>getting
>one
>now
HAHAHAHA

>>137037293
best flag

>>137037293
Damn I really dig that flag, no joke.

>>137037123

My thoughts also. Any conflict that would warrant the show of force a carrier entails would likely infer support from the United States and others aligned with Australia's ideals.

Australia would do well to instead invest more in their ground forces so as to add a meaningful contribution to such a collaboration.

>>137037658
we export more food than we import

>>137033885
No, our air force planes can fly further than 300 nautical miles now, It's not 1942.

>>137037542

Oust the brits when?

>>137037717
Get used to it, it'll our new one once Englands fucking queen finally dies

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>>137037741
The new carrier is a beast, I'm a bit proud that part of my labor went to fund it.

>>137037879
Oh I wasn't sure so I googled it and just clicked on the first link, maybe it's outdated.

>>137033885
Submarines will sink every Aircraft carrier in the first week of combat.

We have no use for them, rather spend it on more Subs.

>Australia builds a new aircraft carrier
>Have it crewed by women in the name of equality
>It sinks on its maiden voyage
>Men's fault

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>>137038043
Good point

>>137033885

Emus would sink it in a matter of hours.

>>137036297
lol mate but your 'democracy' is fucked tho. Judges run for election, your legislature is corrupt as fuck and full of lobbies - especially lobbies that suck zionist cock and your executive is hamstrung by the people behind the scenes that actually run things so thanks but nah cobbah

>>137038277

Democracy was never good

>>137033885
No anon, Australia IS an aircraft carrier.

>>137037984
Nah we have a decent sized green belt along the southeast, between the coastal cities and the desert.

It's one of several other reasons China is so interested in exerting influence over us; we feed them.

>>137033885
Submarines are more valuable than carriers, Aussie.

>>137034980
TAKE OUR REFUGEES!

>>137033992
We have subs, we don't need to project sea power onto land...Except Timore.

>>137038043
It's hard to know for sure what would happen in reality, but US Navy's whole battle strategy revolves around preventing that kind of thing.

In the infamous millenial wargame when our carriers were "sunk", the guy who acted as the enemy general didn't use submarines, he used speed-boats.

>>137037984
china imports as much food as they can get from us, its made meat prices here double

the US has blocked free trade with us for decades to protect your farmers

we lack on the manufactured goods side importing just about everything

moot point though as only the American navy is large enough to blockade our extremely large coast line

>>137038277
Judges running for election is a good thing. The people hold them to account every 2 years. Our Sherrifs have to run for their elected position as well. If they're bad we vote them out. There are 3 shitskin states, CA, NY, and FL. That's where all of the jokers come from. They breed like rabbits and that's why they have so much visibility. Luckily the men who founded our nation saw this coming and protected us from it.

>>137038520
It means that judges become political when they are supposed to be apolitical and simply enforce the law as it was written and intended.

>>137038361
>>137038277
Actually, Trump should challenge the bill that prevents federal employees from being fired as easily as private sector employees.

Also, remember it is an executive order that allowed public sector employees to form unions which is something even the Democrat's hero, FDR, was against since he thought it wasn't right for public sector employees to form unions.

Since it was an executive order and not a bill, Trump could actually revoke that executive order that allows public sector employees to form unions.

>>137038269
emus wouldn't invade Canada
they would be afraid of being raped

>>137034449

Pretty sure you are coming with us. After we annex you.

>>137038788
He could, but the political capital he'd need to weather the pushback from the public sector would be significant.

>>137035283
What moron starts doing serpentine in front of an incoming carrier?

>>137038484
fucking kek speed boats?? that's a $10.5B vessel taken out by a 5k dingy WEW.

Aircraft carriers are just so vulnerable.

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>>137038755
No, it means that if a Judge is improperly interpreting the law we get to vote him out of office. They have to campaign, but if the step out of line they get voted out of office. I feel bad for people who live in lifetime appointment states. In my case, I always vote for the Judge that cracks down the hardest on beaners. That's why Texas is and will always be a red state. The system is set up to give informed and responsible voters the biggest voice.

>>137035606
>Unspoken truth, Australia is the crazy brother nation that fights against the emus so we don't have to.
Here's looking at you kid ;)

>>137038962
he couldn't see the bumper sticker [we stop for no one]

>>137039056
And who gets decide if they are interpreting the law properly? the Judge with legal training or the general population in his electorate?

The reason probaly why your Judges misinterpret law in the first place is because they are trying to skew the interpretation of the law in a way that will curry favour with their voter base.

Maybe im a little bias because im a Law graduate but I found out a lot of 'highly questionable' practices in the american judicial system that imho leaves it more prone to corruption than any other modern western judiciary.

>>137039021
It turns out all our big expensive guns and detection systems couldn't do a damn thing to small commercial boats. The Navy claimed he "cheated" because no one in a real conflict would ever attach modern naval weaponry to civilian speed-boats. He also loaded them with munitions and used them as suicide boats too. He ended up destroying most of the US ships and killing over 20,000 personnel and they got pissed and called for a reset. The guy playing the enemy general was so pissed because they had asked him to try his best to win. Ironically the whole game was designed to test the Navy's capability against asymmetrical warfare.

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>>137037127
>There's a lot of money in rubber dogshit from china.
What the fuck's up with that?

>>137037321
Pls anon I can only get so hard

>>137039451
Well the people who get to decide the virtue of the Judge's record are the people who vote in the election. We get the justice we desire as a majority. The best part is that some niche person doesn't get to decide how justice is dealt with. The community decides how it's laws should be interpreted through the ballot box. Is that a bad thing?

>>137039580
gheez man that's fucking ridiculous. Whats the point of testing your capabilities if you are going to get mad when you come up short? are their any articles about this i want to have a laugh

>>137037984
It's one of our few strengths, we still have that primary industry.
Honestly one of the reasons it's such a great nation.

>>137039731
imo; If you a consistent, stable neutral judiciary yeah

>>137037321
Actually it's the inverse. Improved technology to get things into orbit means that in war, less things stay there.

Well, everyone else is fucked but the USA. We've got the best anti-satellite missiles, missile-intercept missiles, and , and unbelievable bunker-buster tech. We already built a massive passive sonar and radar net across the entire planet, and got the computers to figure it all out.

Winning a total war scenario against Russia is getting pretty close to good. The secret weapon is capable of first-striking most of the ICBM silos and bunkers without any warning. The anti-satellite plan is maintained in realtime. We've built the eyes and the ears to actively track the subs. And we're still installing the missile shield despite objections to hopefully catch whatever else filters through.

>>137038043
yes BUT

subs cannot project force like carriers

>>137039580
>The guy playing the enemy general was so pissed because they had asked him to try his best to win.
I would be happy and personally call that a win. Was the enemy Nord Courier?

>>137038147
This
>Sigh

>>137039795
yeah here you go
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/06/usa.iraq

>>137040178
And here's the archive
https://unvis.it/theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/06/usa.iraq

>>137040178
thanks m8

>>137039895
I've lived in Texas for 20+ years and the most radical thing we've done is, actually, wait a second, we went for Cruz in the GOP primaries. I voted for Trump, but the state didn't go that way. Texas went exactly the way it always has. Establishment GOP in the Primary, GOP in the general. The one beautiful thing about Texas are the Tejanos, people who are of Hispanic descent but have lived in Texas since the beginning. The Tejanos I know are just as Conservative as I am. This state is not flipping any time soon.
We have the big cities, but they aren't big enough to offset all of the people out in the country.

>>137038861
Inter-anglosphere bants.
Who wins, emu or moose cav?

>>137038513
I'm so sorry for Holden.

t. cadillacfag, work for GM; specifically Cadillac

You will get things to compensate. I promise.
>if you buy Holdens between now and 2020

>>137040293
The dog dick suckers.

>>137040416
Is holden dying? I've always wanted a left hand drive Ute. It's my dream.

>>137040293
depends
are the moose stampeding to escape the now legal beastophiles running naked with hard ons through the maple forests?

>>137040541
They no longer manufacture their own vehicles in Australia.

>>137033992
Lol. Dude Ozzies can't do ship. Why the fuck do you think they never left that shit heap.

>>137036766
traitors

>>137040416
I have a holden, it was built by the poms.

>>137034851

Then we would have to legalise gay marriage.

>>137040049
An important consideration for America, yes. Not so much for Australia.

>>137040740
Does that improve my chances of getting a left hand drive Ute? I'm disgusted by the fact that the last American Muscle Car is Australian.

>>137036094
Lol If we annexed PNG we would be less white then America. That's why why gave them independence. It used to be an Australian territory after ww2 till the 70's.

NZ union might be good to increase our strength though.

>>137040776
and build marts to shart in

you're a fucking island and you don't have a complete navy you should be ashamed
all anglo cunts must into carrying aircraft

>>137038437
NEVER send them to some uninhabited shit little island, I know you've got like 80 of them.

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>>137040745
...
>Wat

>>137038484
>>137039021
>>137039580
>>137039795
>>137040155
It was not just the navy it was all branches, it showed the weakness of the current USA military doctrine, and the ignored it cause they should have won.

Point was military is so high tech that some one uses a low tech attack could win against them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Lol no. If we ever need help we'll just call america and they'll come running like the little bitches they are

>>137033885
huh, TIL. I just assumed most western countries had 1

>>137040979
ww1 m8

>>137040883
>>137040541
The ute is dead and has been dead.

Holden is losing all domestic manufacturing which is the equivalent of Chevrolet pulling out of US production and importing it all from Mexico and China. Why bother buying it?

Their sales reflect this sentiment. They're in a very steep decline, and I do not believe there's any hope for recovery barring drastic changes that I do not see coming.

The bulk of future Holdens will be made by chinks. They may get a few American-made cars, like they're getting the new ME Vette.

They will get two more cars, a pair of them, but I can't say for sure where they'll come from given their low volume.

>>137040801
Agree. Bantz aside, you don't need one. Your military interests are entirely regional, and your region happens to be populated by a shitload of islands, which happen to be unsinkable.

>>137040767
Buy another or you'll be buying a Hyundai next.

>>137036119
We would need to join as multiple states I think so we get enough representation. I think the average state in the US has about 6 million people. So we could join as 6 states since our population is over 24 million

>>137041041
we ordered one from the poms to replace the Melbourne but the argies invaded the falklands and the poms decided to keep it for themselves

we've spent the last 30 years pretending we didn't want it anyway

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>>137040760
It was the post-Calwell Labor party who did it, so yeah, traitors.

>>137038755
lol judges are never apolitical. I prefer if we elect them

>>137041286
You'd be the third most populous state, the fourth largest economy, and the largest territory by over half.

Don't need multiple states.

>>137041257
I've had a Hyundai nice little car
mostly I've owned ford falcons

>>137039895
Your a lawyer aren't you?

>>137041694
No Commodores?

The Falcon is dead, and will be for the foreseeable future.

>>137041257
Hey, I've got a shitbox Honda. Was waiting for the new Trans AM, but GM shitcanned Pontiac, killed the GTO (Holden Monaro) and released a $60k Camaro which way missed the target price point. For $60k, I'll buy an M5 or M6, not some kid car. It's a shame. Now I'm looking at fucking Mustangs to give me my cheap manual with an 8 cylinder.

>>137041796
I had xf falcons in the late 80s
vn commadores in the early 90s
ef el falcons in the late 90s
au falcon early 00s
vs commodore late 00s
Hyundai lantra 09-15
and now a holden astra shitbox because I got it cheep
and that's just the drive cars
Nissan patrols and landcruisers for play

>>137041947
I work for GM and I drive a Honda, too. Fuck GM, they make absolute garbage.

The new Camaro is $60k if you're looking for a tits-out ZL1. For $60k, you're buying a 530i equipped somewhere between poorly and moderately. Forget about an M5 or M6.

Want a cheapish V8 manual, get a cheap 1SS. It's $38k. Buy the Mustang instead, though.

I don't like the new Camaro. I don't like ANYTHING GM makes right now, Cadillac included, besides the Escalade and maybe the Corvettes and V's.

>>137042301
Noice, you're going to get some big toys from across the pond for Holden in a few years.

>>137042301
AU is so ugly kek

>>137040745
Yeah it's terrible here. Don't come.

>>137042387
I've never priced an M5 or 6 seriously, but used it seems like you're in the $50-60k price range, new it's $80-$100, no?
I bought a totally loaded anniversary car in '02 for $27k. LS1, T56 transmission, you name it, I had it. If I wanted a loaded out Camaro I'd pay $70k right now. It's retarded to pay that much for a fucking Chevy. Shit, I'll never pay more than $30k again for a car. I'm looking at the Civic SI desu right now. It's around $30k with every option, light, cheap, and comes with a stick. Why is it like pulling teeth to find a manual transmission with a fucking GM? It makes me so made that they build all of these performance cars for faggots who can actually drive a car.
I think I'm going to stick with my paid off nipmobile. If you fuckers released the Ute here or rebadged the Camaro as a Trans Am I'd be in, but no thanks.

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>>137036119
Fine. But no blacks and no Jew's

>>137042387
>Fuck GM, they make absolute garbage

LS family is the best engine you can buy. There is a reason it gets swapped into pretty much any car platform you can imagine.

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>hometown so shit not even a chink wants to live there

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>>137042301

>Had an XF

My first car was an 89' XF S pack in 2010, had nothing but troubles with it (fucked alternator, ignition was buggered). Spent more time in the shop getting repairs than out on the road. After all my efforts of finally getting it road worthy, it got stolen, and after two days of it being stolen, I saw it driving around with a a new paint job and rims.

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