>Nationalists try and run a country

>>137028619
nice shitpost

>>137028619
>stable country
vs
>jewish time bomb

>>137028619
Look at their crime rate.

>>137028754
>>137028726
>GDP

>>137028619
What about the US from 1776 up until the 60s?

>>137028619
>populations should grow infinitely
There is almost literally no downside to their population going down.

>>137028619
I don't really understand why do leftists think this is bad.

Japan population density: 336 people per square kilometer

Australia population density: 3 people per square km (although a lot of Australia is inhabitable, but still)

they are living packed like tuna cans.

>>137028754
>GDP increases under times of massive government spending
Hmm who would have ever thought

>>137028828
>>137028937
>Any second now this is all going to blow up libucks!!!
Quick lesson kiddo, decreasing populations lose specialisation and thus standards of living. Populations which ALSO have an increasing proportion of non-working elderly are a recipe for stagnation.

You wouldn't take slightly more crime and brown people for significantly higher standards of living going into the future?

>>137029289
It's bad in the sense that there will be too many elders compared to the working age population.

The leftist solution, however, is ridiculous. Especially Europe.
>we must bring refugees and low skill, low iq migrants from africa, they will work believe me

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>>137028754
has the U.S. always been the God of GDP's?

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>>137029026
For the most part a developing country by today's standards. These days parents are often productive enough (and children die far less) such that they don't need to rely on many working children to get them to 60.

>>137029273
Apart from everything costing more and the added fact that half your population will eventually be too old to work and soak up huge amounts of resources.

>>137029289
Not full.

>>137029326

Your model is not sustainable, it requires endless population growth. Reminder that the earths resources are finite. Sooner or later we got to deal with stable populations or decreasing populations.

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>>137029931
>Your model is not sustainable, it requires endless population growth
It just requires a stable population and population pyramid

>>137029892
Well, of course. In the past the quality of life in every country used to be worse than today due to technological development and economic growth.

However the US, after becoming independent until the 60s, came the most powerful nation on Earth. Surpassing several European during that time.

That's why strong traditional family values are important. They are necessary in order to keep the fertility rate above the replacement level.

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>>137028619
This talking point about how immigrants are magically good for endless economic expansion is parroted by the same bleeding heart liberals that decry the evils of endless economic expansion. Yes goyim judge your country by GDP gotta import as many uneducated warm bodies to cram into that kosher industry machine as possible hehe gotta keep the goyim farm packed tight

Oh and by the way, you know that fully automated industry that is just right around the corner that forward thinking liberals like to harp on about? You know the one that we have to have a discussion about how to take care of the lowly educated that will soon be jobless? Let's make sure to forge ahead in importing as many lowly educated people as possible before it happens

eat shit leftist faggot

>>137030361
Then why are child care subsidies pretty much the only proven method of lifting fertility? Wouldn't you expect that an incentive that resulted in less women taking the role of home maker and more in the work force would be counter to traditional family values and would thus reduce fertility?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3000017/

>"The results show that increased expenditure on family policy programs that help women to combine family and employment— and thus reduce the opportunity cost of children—generates positive fertility responses"

>>137030863
I'm not particularly opposed to those measures if they prove to be sucessful. Still, the fertility rate in pretty much every western country is below replacement, even with lots of subsidies.
Part of if is due to the wave of social liberalism that happened starting from the 60s. The fertility rate of almost every western country dropped like a rock exactly in this period.

>>137030730
>This talking point about how immigrants are magically good for endless economic expansion is parroted by the same bleeding heart liberals that decry the evils of endless economic expansion
Well I support endless economic expansion and immigration

>Oh and by the way, you know that fully automated industry that is just right around the corner that forward thinking liberals like to harp on about?
Automation resulting in large scale structural unemployment is a good few centuries away. Historically tech advancements have always created more jobs than they destroyed and that pattern will likely persist until a General AI

>HAHA TAKE THAT COOMMIES YOUR SYSTEM IS SHIT YOU CAN'T EVEN INTO ECONOMICS
>Um also guys we need the government to place barriers on the labour market for muh working class that need to be protected from foreigners who do their job better and at a lower price

>>137029326
>more crime and brown people
>higher standards of living

Pick one.
With current population density, growth is unnecessary and in most cases, detrimental.

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>>137028619
Pathetic.

>MUH GDP

Civic nationalists kill yourselfs

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>>137031518
>Part of if is due to the wave of social liberalism that happened starting from the 60s
What do you say about countries like Japan and Singapore which are, to this day, quite conservative cultures yet they have birthrates below many western countries?

Also again, why is it that policy that seems to promote women's liberation from traditional roles tends to increase fertility rates? Is this not social liberalism?

It honestly seems to be more of a coincidence than anything, the 1960's was likely just the tipping point of economic well being past which having children was no longer necessary if you wanted to live well into your old age.

>Still, the fertility rate in pretty much every western country is below replacement, even with lots of subsidies
Of course, subsidies are a band aid but immigration is the cure. Much of the west has a lower fertility rate than Japan but sensible immigration policy has kept population growing at a steady rate.

>MUH POPULATION

Keynesianism is BS; an economy is driven by investment not consumption.

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>>137031874
Maybe there are some things more important in society than keeping ones crime rate down. I'm not denying that in some circumstances crime will increase as a result of immigration and that there are absolutely no downsides but like anything there has to be a trade-off. Including only crime rates in an analysis of immigration is like analysing trade by looking only at middle-class factory workers. All things must be considered.

>Higher prices for everything
>Higher standards of living

pick one

>>137032267
>Being an anything-nationalist

>>137028619

>neoliberal """"""""socialists"""""""" want to employ any means necessary to drive linear or exponential population growth to ensure that the growth of consumption and production can match the burden of their ever-expanding social programs

Leftism is just a facade for international capitalism. Any economic model that can not survive without continual population growth is doomed to failure. Even the elites recognise this, it's why they all have doomsday bunkers. It's why they modeled the EU parliament building after artist's depictions of the tower of Babel. This entire hierarchy is built to fall, as population increases beyond what is sustainable, and automation increases beyond what is economical, you will see many continents with populations in the billions filled with starving, angry people. It will be an absolute fucking slaughter, and the population of the world will collapse almost overnight into the sub-billion territory.