Why does anyone take fascism seriously?

Well, it is total government control. Easily able to be subverted by the wrong person in power.

Of course it fails eventually.

I'm not fascist but I get the idea that fascism would endure much longer if they would just stop getting involved in so many wars, especially ones of their own making.

>>137019169
Edgy teenagers/gen Z

That's it really, they're also the ones making this place a shithole

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>>137019169
Cause it wasn't real fascism™

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>>137019169
>Japan
>Fascist
>Republic of China
>Fascist
>Portugal
>Fascist

Really gets my noggin joggin

It worked for Rome

> Germany
literally ended Jewish culture in Western and Central Europe

> China
Compare the relative intelligence, happiness, and knowledge of the Taiwanese to the mainlanders.

> Spain
Literally destroyed liberalism, anarchism, and communism in Spain

> Chile
Ended a leftist regime

Those don't exactly seem like failures.

>>137019302
I am one but yeah... I agree with that sentiment.

>>137019169

The Brazilian Integralists had some drawbacks but were part of the miliraty governent between 64 and 85.

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>>137019169
It's intellectually dishonest to label something that was forcibly crushed a "failed system", implying that a nation bombed into collapse during war is comparable to a system imploding politically during peace-time. The Soviet system failed, as did the Roman Empire, and every Chinese or Ottoman dynasty. Some of these examples of government lasted hundreds, if not thousands, of years, while some didn't last more than a generation. All forms of government inevitably fail. This has been true since ancient times. Polybius famously articulated this process of Anacyclosis: social organisation paradigms rise, fail, and give way to further systems. This is the cycle of history.

Fascism is not a failed system, it was a defeated system: A.) it was not an economic system, but a social one; B.) the so-called "failed system" had a control group: the US. Germany, Italy, and the US were operating under Keynesian policies; only one of them won the war, and experienced a massive period of growth once their industrial rivals were destroyed. So no, it wasn't a failed system, because both sides were using it, including the side that won.

Why don't you go shitpost in Lolbertardian general about how you're so scared about "muh big bad authority"

Each one of these regimes (save Germany and perhaps Italy) fell due to unique historical circumstances unrelated to their core ideologies.

>>137019740
Sorry, it may have to do with (((external forces))) as well.

>>137019856

* military

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>>137019579
Why can't fags and brainlet a realize this
>it's the current year shitlord! I'd rather be a skinny fatshit than a Roman god
JUST

>>137019704
nice revisionism

>>137019169
>Japan
>fascist
the fuck are you smoking, >1 post by this ID

>>137019169

daily reminder that true fascism has never been tried

>>137019169
Portuguese Estado Nuovo was the best time in history of the country. They were even not removed by popular support but by a leftist coup.

>>137020208
No revisionism. None of that is even controversial, even a leftist would have to agree with those points.

Economically speaking fascists states often redirected their economies to support their militaristic policies.While this was an initial boost to their economies, they overproduced for the war effort, which then devalued the weapons they were making. Not to mention you don't find entrepreneurs in a total war economy where you're rationing resources and sending men on the front lines.

Overall they failed because they were basically command economies.

>>137019169
this is so stupid. They after wwii, they economically and diplomatically those authoritarian Iberian regimes. Snake meme flag, not even half of those pics were fascist regimes. My country was in dictatorship since 1926. And the regime fell because the soldiers had enough of chopping nigger heads with small pay, long comissions and change of rules in the military plus diplomatic isolation and economic sanctions leading to the erosion of the regime.

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>chile
>fascist
I fucking wish, the MNSCh never got into power and Pinochet was never a fascist or natsoc

>>137019704
Except that it's literally the complete fucking opposite at the present moment. All of these countries are cucked. Retard. People like you are proof fascism can't be taken seriously.

>>137020595
>They isolated

>Every country except the axis powers had peaceful transition of power
>Failure

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>137019579
>>137020072
>take fascism from southern europeans
>ruin it with muh arian mustardrace

Never change.

>>137020311
>be a lefty
>choose flag of X ideology
>proceed to be retarded under that flag to make it look bad

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>>137020628
>all prior-Fascist countries went to shit after Fascism was removed as the governing power
Reellee meks yew thinque

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>>137019270
This. For some reason fascists rely completely on the benevolence and loyalty of their government, and supposedly if the government went against the nation then "the people" would rise up and overthrow them. Of course, for some reason when we ancaps say the exact same damn thing about people trying to form a government in an Ancap society it's treated as ridiculous and futile.

>>137020628
Literally the opposite of what?

On my first point, Jewish culture in Western Europe still hasn't revived to its pre-WW2 level of influence.

On my second, I'm referring to now. Taiwanese are leaps and bounds more sophisticated than mainlanders.

On the third, Spain is a struggling modern republic, which is neither here nor there.

Chile certainly isn't a Marxist state like it would've been without Pinochet.

You, sir, appear to be retarded.

We need fascism or capitalist cucks will keep bringing in shitskins en masse forcing diversity and welfare section 8 and welfare paid for by us for their new workers.
Capitalists opened the borders for cheap labor. Capitalism has failed me. Fascism is the alternative. Kikes like google shouldn't be allowed to exist

>>137019169
>ROC is fascism
waaaaaaaaaaaat?

>>137019169
the nazi's didn't fail..

>>137020521
>Overall they failed because they were basically command economies.
Yes.

People are not aware of this there is difference between econonies of communists and fascist countries altghough both are central commanded.

In communist regimes the means of production is nationalised in the hands of the state. While in fascists the means are private but the owners need to follow the order of government how to invest their money.

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>>137020902
>Rome spanned the entire Mediterranean seaboard
>"South"
Okay

>>137021121

>Combining Natsoc with Fascism

Anon I...

>>137021203
Yeah, and?

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>Portuguese fascism failed

Really activates my almonds

>>137019169
>hurr durr they lost a war so that means their ideology doesn't work
Fucking kill yourself please

>>137021081
Formosa was a facist state under the Kuomintang until '87. Learn some fucking history.

>>137021425
it wasn't even fascim, retard. Left people use fascit term to every right-wing mov right of them.

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>>137021425
>literal kike on a pike

>>137021584
What happened to Chinese Emperor-san?

>>137019169
Germany and Japan fell cause of war not cause their systems were trash you fucking idiot

>>137019169
>Germany
>Italy
>Japan
Only "failed" because the rest of the world destroyed them.

>Republic of China
lol how the fuck was that fascism? If every right-wing government in history (which is basically 90% of them) is 'fascist' then there are hundreds of non-'failures'.
>Spain
>Portugal
These didn't fail.

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>>137019169
>Francoist Spain
>fascist
kys

>>137019169
its very similar to communism. so much so that i pretty much consider them the same thing

>>137019169
>Japan
>fascist
A god emperor isn't fascism lmao

>>137021707
>The National Union (Portuguese: União Nacional; Portuguese pronunciation: [uniˈɐ̃w̃ nɐsiuˈnaɫ]) was the only legal political party in Portugal for most of the period of the Estado Novo. Ideologically, the National Union was an authoritarian, clerico-fascist organisation.

>>137019169
Getting Shoah'd by international banks is not the same as collapsing from within.
Falangist Spain was successful in many respects, and only ceased to exist when Franco died. Portugal under Salazar wasn't even fascist.
Pinochet did nothing wrong, and he wasn't a fascist. Brazilian integralists were just authoritarian--they had no racial ideology whatsoever.

>>137019169
You have a very liberal definition of fascism

>>137019169

In what way was China fascist?

>>137021948
(((You)))

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>>137021707

And do you think I care what a bunch slack-jawed faggots call my movement fascist? We have our "Estado-Novo" that althougth is not fully fascist like let us say Musso's one , we still brought a lot of things from their experience .

>>137019302
Peronist Argentina didn't go to wars and it was doing pretty well

>>137019169
>Brazil 1937-1945
Except that's wrong retard
We were under a protectionist government in 1937

>>137021959
Salazar literally criticized NatSoc for its racial policies. He was just authoritarian and centre-right.

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>Communists
>"dude communism works lmao just there hasn't been a real attempt at communism yet"
>Fascists
>"dude fascism works lmao just there hasn't been a real attempt at fascism yet"

>>137021959
Lol another meme flag teaching the history of my country. It was a right-wing authoritarian corporatist regime. Check ou pt wiki flag about the controversy if it was a fascist regime or not.

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>>137019169

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>>137019169
Fuck off commie.

>>137019889
This.

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>>137019169
>chile
>failed

You're cute.

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>>137022028
The Kuomintang were Axis collaborators which is why they're associated with fascism.

>>137021018
Since the Pinochet regime, the socialist party has won like all but one election. Only reason the place isn't a hellhole is because the party is extremely limited in what they're able to do by Pinochet's constitution, but I'm sure they're trying to subvert it however they can

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>>137019169
>>137019270
>every fascist regime gets sanctioned and zergrushed by communist and liberal kike pawns

Fixed

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>>137019169
>Pinochet
>fascist
no

>>137019169
Uh, RoC was never fascist, nor was Chile, or Brazil, and Portugal is questionable. Hell in Brazil, Vargas violently cracked down on the integralists.

>>137019169

>Third Reich

Got invaded by outside forces

>Fascist Italy

Outside forces

>Japan
Not fascist

>Republic of China
Not even close to fascist

>Spain
Franco was a catholic conservative who used the phalangists to build his state and then utterly sidelined them.

>Portugal
Been on the edge of debt since the 1800's, Salazar came in and stabilized everything, had good economic growth and managed to stave off utter bankruptsy and collapse despite the fact that massive emigration away from Portugal to it's colonies (mostly Brazil) was a massive drain on the economy and future of Portugal. Can't build a stable country when everyone is literally immigrating away (not the result of Salazar either, it was happened consistently for over a hundred years).

>Chile
United States puppet running an anti-communist but not particularly fascist regime. Pinochet merely used his US backing to remove political oponnents and enrich his friends at the expense of the Nation.

>Brazil

I know literally nothing about that one.

tl;dr: you're a faggot.

>>137022717
Vargas only suppressed the Integralist movement because they had attempted to overthrow him in a coup.

>>137020628
>hhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrr fascism doesn't work because it's not it place anymore
dddddddddddddddddduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrr

Why are fascists such cucks and losers? 'b-b-b-but we were invaded!' no shit retards, you got invaded because you were weak and because fascism is weak. That's why all fascist regimes fail.

>>137019169
They all succeeded until they were invaded to install (((democracy)))

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>>137022717
>and Portugal is questionable
These are the real fascists of Portugal unlike Salazar.

https://openrevolt.info/2011/09/06/the-portuguese-national-syndicalist-movement/

>>137022057
Roulao preto was the fascist. The regime only had a few fascist elements that started using since the beginning of spanish civil war until end of ww2.

Chile was never fascist

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>>137019302
A little bit of this with a little bit of this. >>137019270

The legend of the galactic heroes touches on this subject quite well, a majestic ruler under a fascist (or nationalist) government that has the support of the people can lead the world to near-utopia levels of success and is inherently better than a democratic nation (even when it isn't corrupt).

But even a corrupt democratic nation is more successful and better for it's people than a corrupt fascist government, because you can't do anything againts absolute corruption when your rights are taken away and the government has ALL of the power.

So a nationalist government with checks and balances but still with a strong leader with the support of it's people is essentially the ideal human government, according to what History has shown.

Basically, if the United States had a more powerful President who was voted in, served more terms, and had more control over most/all government branches. The only problem with that is when someone has that much power, they can nullify anything trying to remove them.

It's a rather deep argument that I don't think anyone has yet to truly get right or put into a realistic action.

The ideal would be almost literal WWII German National Socialism, but SLIGHTLY less authoritarian.

>>137023076

Guess you are right , I will go back to calling it just Estado Novo then.

>>137022925
Hey kike, fascist regimes are reactionary. They're invaded because they don't suck jew cocks and were doing well. So the eternal shlomo and his Mason friends all team up to keep them down and under their control.

>>137019169
>Japan
>Fascist
lole

>>137023240
And? That doesn't mean you guys aren't weak cucks. If you can't defend yourself you deserve to get fucked, faggot. Survival of the fittest, and so far fascist fags have been proven to be the weakest little shits around.

>>137019169
Is fascism = national socialism?

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>>137019704
>literally ended Jewish culture in Western and Central Europe

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>>137019169
>1 post by this ID

SAGE
stupid lolbertarian

>>137019169
How the fuck did Fascism in Spain or Chile fail?

In Spain, it created a technocracy and ended the threat of Communism, lasting for most of the twentieth century.

In Chile, it brought the country from the brink of destruction and turned it into one of the few successful countries in South America. The era of fascism ended with a peaceful turnover of power after the country's salvation.

Fascism never needs to be permanent. It's an extreme solution to extreme problems -- like the election of a dictator when Rome was under existential threat.

>>137023468

In reality Fascism is just the Italian brand of Ultranationalism. Since it was the first legitimate ultranationalist force to obtain power in Europe, everything is thus compared to the fascists. National Socialism is a German/Pan-Germanic form of Ultranationalism.

>>137019169
>Pinochet
>Fascist

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>>137019169
Because they are retarded.

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>>137023424
See:
>>137022454
>>137016314

Fascism & natsoc are strength, and it's absence is weakness (((international banks))) exploit. The day is coming for you hook nose vermin. You can't bring your shekels to hell with you.

>>137021959
See: >>137022978
And google translate this
https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movimento_Nacional-Sindicalista

>National-Syndicalism was hated by both the New State dictatorship in Portugal and by the Communist opposition;

Fascists were never in power in Brazil.

>>137019169
Germany wasn't fascist
Neither was Japan
Germany was National Socialist
Japan was a militaristic polyarchy

>>137024081
Bring it, fag. Show me what you and your cucked ideology can do beyond getting domed by random dipshits off the street.

>>137019169

>Germany
National Socialist.

>Japan
Military Government.

>Spain
Falangism (National Syndicalism).

>Chile
Authoritarian Neoliberalism.

>Italy
Fascism.

>China
Military Government.

>Portugal
Authoritarian Capitalism.

>Brazil
A fucking combination of Italy, Spain and Germany which will never, ever, work.

>>137024686
Franco suppressed National Syndicalism though

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Fixed

>tfw our fascist-like parties never made it to power
just

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>>137020628
I wonder (((WHY))) they get cucked so much, is almost like if somebody was trying to keep people from becoming fascist, because it could exterminate globalist plans and the creators of those, I just wonder... why would somebody would do such a thing, right? Is not like if our soldiers were starving to death while a lazy fuck who decided to kill everybody he could in two towers, to help their own elite and claim a multi million insurance policy is living without worries. Nor there are countries were their (((political systems))) were so corrupt that people had to become cannibals in order to survive, under a yellow kike who is considered the one who committed the largest genocide in the planet. Certainly we live in paradise and do not need another option, right? What a bunch of retards those Nazis that want change, because they love their nation, traditions, and their family, thus want them protected.

>>137019579
Repressive regimes works well in ANCIENT times

>>137025071

He began the supression of National Syndicalism in the mid-1960s when the world was shifting towards a more globalist based economy and with a rapidly expanding technological field he realised he needed to liberalise his economy; thus he removed power from the old guard of the Falange movement and gave power to the 'new guard' or the 'newshirts' as they were known in the JONS and allowed them power to handle the economy thus seeing the tourist state we see now.

>>137022100
That wasn't fascist by a long shot. Peron liked Hitler but was too much of a coward to admit it, and wanted to please the workers to get more votes so he made a welfare state that still bites us in the ass since the dictatorship that followed removed all the good things he did and left all the money sinks on.

>>137019169
The funny thing about fascism is that it works pretty fucking well. Humanity has always had king and monarchs.

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>>137019169
Fascist are mindless edgelords, and true man grows out of such beliefs.

>>137019169
>Republic of China
>fascist
The Chinese government at those times were wannabe Westerners.

>>137025186
Sinarquistas are still around apparently.

ITT: Edgy kids fantasize about dead ideologies

>>137025799
They are, but they don't seem to be insterested at engaging in the parties game, after all, they failed with the PDM. Since the original organization split, they have toned down their original statutes.

>crash a semi into your Ferrari
>therefore the Ferrari is a failed design

>>137026188
>flag
yeah that's self-explanatory.

>>137020346
Salazar built up their gold reserves and traded with both sides in ww2

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>>137019169
Failure?!?

>>137021081
Ditto.

>>137019302
Militarism is part of fascism so it's fair to hold it against fascists.

>>137019445
All of these places were fascist in the years written on the picture. Also there was a crisis in 1929 and every country was recovering from it in the '30s.

>>137019579
Fascism was only thought of in late 19th century in the earliest. Rome wasn't fascist even if fascist Italy liked comparing itself to it.

>>137019704
Fighting Zionism is a central tenet of Nazism so saying fascism is good because it fought Zionism is circular reasoning. Besides Zionism is still a big problem according to today's fascists so Nazi Germany didn't solve it.

ROC is no longer fascist so you can't make that comparison anymore unless you have historical data.

All of these things exist in Spain today and the United States managed to fight off all of these things and stay democratic.

Chile's leftist regime was voted in democratically and could've been voted out democratically. There were other ways to deal with the problem and fascism's short life suggests it wasn't the best one.

>>137019889
If fascism isn't an economic system why do fascists praise its economic aspects?

>>137020346
Why did people rise up against the government if things were doing well? Why didn't the regime survive their coup if it was strong?

>>137020521
True. Germany for example was on the verge of bankruptcy until the war allowed it to plunder occupied territories. Fascism is unsustainable and needs to feed on war to survive. In the end it gets put down or starves.

>>137020798
If fascism was the best system there would be no need for a transition to democracy.

>>137021081
It was fascist in the civil war and WW2.

>>137021115
They started a war they couldn't win and got their country occupied for decades.

>>137021980
I'm just using the commonly accepted definition and according to it all of the countries in the picture were fascist at some point.

>>137022454
Germany would've collapsed under its own weight.

You should add the USA 2017 to 2017
Because drumpf is getting impeached due to collusion with Russia

>>137021724
The most Chinese thing a Chinese fascist could do would be to kill off the """"Chinese""""" imperial dynasty.

Facism didn't fail in Spain.

Look at all the data, the statistics before and after general franco's regime and tell me if facism failed in Spain. When Franco died peacefully in his bed, Spain was between the 10 richest countries in the world and had one of the highest life expectancies. And not only that, but he made all the arrangements so that Spain could become a democracy after his death.

The facts are there. And the facts tell he was a great man.

Fascism is capitalism in decline. Therefore, it will always come back after inevitable crisis grips capitalism, and the people are too chickenshit to give up neoliberalism. Most Austrian school economists supported fascism.

>>137027993
>Fighting Zionism is a central tenet of Nazism so saying fascism is good because it fought Zionism is circular reasoning. Besides Zionism is still a big problem according to today's fascists so Nazi Germany didn't solve it.
That's not what circular reasoning is. I never said "Destroying Jewish culture is good because the Nazis did it." I said what they did was effective. You're dumb.
>ROC is no longer fascist so you can't make that comparison anymore unless you have historical data.
Chiang Kai-Shek is considered one of the founders of modern Taiwan. Learn your history.
>All of these things exist in Spain today and the United States managed to fight off all of these things and stay democratic.
There was an anarchist organization running Catalonia at the time of Franco's rise. He defeated it. The United States has never had an anarchist or communist government. You're dumb.
>Chile's leftist regime was voted in democratically and could've been voted out democratically. There were other ways to deal with the problem and fascism's short life suggests it wasn't the best one.
You're right, it could've been voted out. It also might not have been. It was a fairly popular administration. Regardless of what your ideology is, Chile is and was much more capitalistic thanks to Pinochet.

>>137019169
The top 3 all worked beautifully. Losing a war isn't the same as having your political system fail you dum fuk. Bottom 3 were run by spics so who knows

>>137019169
Spain and Portugal had pretty good runs, desu.

>>137019169
Fascism worked very well on Porfirio Diaz' Years.
Then Twas killed but it did not fail

>>137028642
what is the difference between fascism and socialism? both are central planners big government

>using a military dictatorship to make a free market is fascism
what the fug

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>>137019169
Fascism failed in Portugal because the guy died he was old just saying.

>>137022774
>Third Reich
>Got invaded by outside forces
So are we just ignoring that whole "invade Poland and Czechoslovakia" thing...? That doesn't count because...?

>>137030255
No, that's during the inevitable war that fascists will start. USA was also centrally planning the economy during the war.

Nazis privatized everything, and Italian fascists resorted to nationalization after their neoliberal economics failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_De_Stefani
>De Stefani was appointed by Mussolini in 1922 as the finance minister. He was a liberal economist and a former stalwart leader in the Centre Party who favoured policies such as free-trade, lowering taxes without too much government interference and privatisation of businesses such as the communications industry.

The condemnation of capitalism by fascists is superficial at best.

>>137030255
They separate on their handling of economics.

Fascist governments are often capitalistic demand-based economies that divert funds heavily towards war efforts.

>>137019401
Fuck off boomer wannabe

>>137019169
ayo, taiwan ain't fascist you chicom fuck.

>>137030860
That's Kuomintang-led China, you dolt.

>>137019169
The united states was sort of fascist in that it had a powerful monoculture and demanded integration. It's citizens had to get along, irrespective of country of origin, class, or monetary wealth in order to give the nation a proper identity.
Americans were not terribly fond of foreigners like Italians, Irish, or Jews till they became intensely integrated. I would say America is fascist because of that, fascism does not preclude economic socialism.

>>137030926
and Kuomintang china is the predecessor of taiwan.

>>137031192
Observe the year ranges below the flag.

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>>137021948
(((((((You)))))))

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>>137022251
No Fascist will ever or has ever said this dumbass
They always say Fascism HAS been tried and it has ALWAYS worked
>strawmanning this hard
Kys

>>137019169
The Republic of China is still alive in Taiwan.

>>137028634
From what I read Spain's economic growth was stunted by bad policies and corruption until Franco was pressured to liberalize the economy in the '50s. Do you know of any reliable sources I could watch or read to know more about the economics of fascist Spain?

>>137028642
Fascism isn't a form of capitalism and Austrian school economists supported freer capitalism.

>>137028660
Nazi Germany still didn't deal with the problem so you can't say it was effective. Maybe he was the founder but that doesn't mean his ideology lives to this day. Fascism succeeded in fending off leftism in Spain and Chile but it didn't succeed in becoming a stable and enduring regime.

>>137028788
Their economic policy was unsustainable and their foreign policy got them destroyed. Militarism is part of fascism and them losing a war and being dismantled because of it is a failure.

>>137028952
They were the most successful fascist states but they still didn't last all that long.

>>137029045
Was he really fascist? I can't find anything on that.

Even the Nazis held that a fascist dictatorship wasn't intended as a permanent political institution. It's intended as temporary status in times of crises to clean things up

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>>137019169
Does Fascism even have a unique definition? Just seems like something commies and mafia in Italy whined and bitched about. Sounds like the standard rule of law. So whatever commies dislike.

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>>137019169
Why do children insist that socialism works?

Same question really. Every time the fascist comes to power they give promise of giving the people the power over the economy... every time it ends in bloodshed, imprisonment and torture.

Yet here we are again, entire university classes convinced that Marxism will work this time.

>>137032126
Take social democracy, i.e. welfare capitalism, and remove democracy.

SuccDem - Dem = Succ

>>137019169
Germans were well feed and they improved their race, how can you call that a failure? Also technology achviments

>>137019169
>Spain
>Portugal
>Taiwan
>Chile
>Failures

Unlike communism, fascism does not seek to permanently reshape society in its image, but rather to guide the country through periods of national crisis.

>But Germany
Was not fucking fascist

>>137031827
>Nazi Germany still didn't deal with the problem so you can't say it was effective.
The Jewish newspapers, music, and cultural centers were all dismantled. The Jews that weren't exterminated mostly left for the US, Israel, or Latin America.
>Maybe he was the founder but that doesn't mean his ideology lives to this day.
You're implying it would've only been successful if it had lasted in its same form. That's a bizarre standard to hold them to. Taiwan has done very well for itself, and part of that is do to Chiang Kai-Shek's influence.

>Fascism succeeded in fending off leftism in Spain and Chile but it didn't succeed in becoming a stable and enduring regime.
But it did offset its political opponents, which is one success. That was the point of my post.

You're dumb.

>>137019169
>Japan
>fascist
really gets my plane flying

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>>137032233
>implying raising children to use firearms is wrong
Pew pew motherfucker

Facist Italy, RoC and Francoist Spain were all fine

Besides, fascism didn't attain power in the RoC or Brazil

>>137019169
the massacres here were pretty shit, but we had the second longest run of martial law

Taiwan #2

>>137019169
>communist larps as libertarian

>>137019270
>>137019302
>>137019401
>Dumbass ancap and others take the bait and rip on whatever communist shill OP is hating on


Also

>implying fascism means authoritarianism automatically

>implying Chile was fascist and not capitalist

>implying Germany started the war and it wasn't because of the ruthless Brits and the treacherous Soviets

>>137033372
>implying Franco didn't turn into a dirty capitalist

>>137023206
>But even a corrupt democratic nation is more successful and better for it's people than a corrupt fascist government
Our system is democratic in nature and far worse.

>>137019169
The RoC still exists numbskull

The OP thinks China was/is fascist. What a fucking retard.

>>137019169
People are gay for government cock.
>oh, regulate me, big daddy government!

>>137033372
In Brazil there was fascist governments with Vargas (1937-1945) and military dictatorship (1964-1985)

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>>137032126
If you listen to a commie (literally, this was decided at the fourth Comintern), a fascist is anything to their right, including social Democrats. Fascism is the last, most violent reaction of a failing capitalist society.

If you listen to some historians and writers such as Mosley, fascism is a civilian government organized similarly to a military. The specifics of its policies will vary from country to country, which makes any claims of an international fascist effort ridiculous; fascism tends to be a reaction overbearing internationalism.

Most other historians will just be sticklers and say that fascism can only be used to describe the government of Benito Mussolini, which inspired a number of similar governments in interwar Europe

>>137033791
They were never fascist. You morons of the left don't even know what fascist is. Go back to school.

>>137033791
>Vargas
>Fascist

>Military dictatorship
>fascist

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>>137019169
Pinochetian fascism was a resounding success though

>>137035053
>>137035053
>Pinochet
>fascist

Vargas was so fascist he sent troops to fight the nazis in Italy. He was much more interested in what the US offered Brazil in return.

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>>137034630
>a fascist is anything to their right, including social Democrats
Can you really blame them?

>>137035541
he entered the war because nazis sunk a ship
if not by brazilian intervention we would be speaking german nowadays

>>137021018
taiwan is like state wide chinese eugenics program. anyone who was smart didnt fall for mao's memes and ended up there. taiwan shits all over mainland china.

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>>137023206
Yup. Here is a simple solution. Extend presidential term to 10 years, this removes some of the divide inherent in democratic countries. Allow the president to pass any sort of legislation he wishes, but congress and the senate can block it with a 60-70 percent veto vote. This gives the president near dictatorial powers, but allows congress to keep him in line if he gets out of hand.

I just fixed America, and it wan't even that hard.

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>>137037093
>puts up nets to catch workers trying to commit suicide

>>137019169
Fascism to take power away from the left.

And then a reduction in government power once we become stable

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>>137019169

>Pinochet
>Failed

>>137037632
>I just fixed America, and it wasn't even that hard.

Also a recipe for completely destroying America , this could have worked if it was initiated back when America was founded though.

>>137039028
How would this destroy America? As long as the first guy who imposes this constitutional amendment, and serves the new imperial presidency restores Americas ethnic unity I don't see any issues.

>>137039488
White people will always be liberal at heart. Especially when no minorities are present.

How can we prevent things like the nanny state from completely strangling the productive members of society?

>>137032070
Their promise of a thousand year empire sounds like something else. What makes you say the Nazis wanted to give up their power after some point?

>>137032126
Just because people disagree over the definition doesn't mean it's not a thing. It's a real ideology and the word is used by fascists and non-fascists alike.

>>137033156
Fascism only guiding a country through a period of national crisis is a big understatement. It definitely aimed to reshape society by redefining the individual, the nation, and their relationship to each other. Saying Nazi Germany wasn't fascist sounds a whole lot like saying the Soviet Union wasn't communist.

>>137033201
Don't fascists consider the Holocaust a failure? If fascism was a superior system to democracy Taiwan would've stuck with it. It's doing well today thanks to capitalism. Fascism is great at suppressing dissidents but so is communism and every other totalitarian regime. The question is if it's a good system overall and I think the answer is no.

>>137033372
>Fascist Italy
Mussolini's hold over the economy generated unemployment and inflation. He raised the value of the Lira for political reasons against economic common sense which reduced Italian exports, he encouraged grain production at the expense of better crops and ended up causing bread prices to increase, and put private industries under state control without setting up an efficient and expedient system to manage them. His economic policies were only made to look good on paper.

>RoC
Its economy was poorly managed and burdened by corruption and is considered one of the reasons the PRC managed to take over China.

>Francoist Spain
Spain was struggling until it gave up its fascist economic policies and embraced liberalization.

>>137033444
I don't have to choose between loving communism and hating fascism and hating communism and loving fascism. I can think both are failed experiments. Also authoritarianism is a core principle of fascism.

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>>137019169
still stronk in mexico

>>137019169
Coff coff
New deal was fascist economy.
Coff coff

>>137019169
Spain was a religious conservative nationalist state similar in ways but not fascist. The fascists supported the nationalists in the Spanish civil war but the nationalists Franco who was not a fuckin fascist took power. Italy only failed because they gave up on the vision il duce really fucking whipped that country into shape though. And nazism only failed because hitler was a terrible tactician if he had played it smart and got the atomic bomb first the thousand year Reich would be a very real thing. I'd much rather live under Italian fascism over German nazism any day though.

>>137019169
>Francoist Spain
That Failed How?