>tfw the entire economy is based on convincing people to buy

>Diversity for the sake of diversity is the ideology of the cancer cell
ftfy

Seriously, how do you capitalists reconcile the need for constantly growing economies with the limited resources of our planet?

Capitalism guarantees total ecological destruction by its very nature.

>>136933889
There's more planets out there

>>136933889
Asteroids

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>mfw the cancer cell is redpilled

>>136933449
That's a strong slogan.

>>136933889
Because growth doesn't necessarily mean a growth in depleting natural resources. Efficiency, services, recycling etc. There is no reason to assume we will ever run short of material.
Food regrows water can be cleaned. What thing do you think we'll run out of?
Sure oil but we are able to move away from it until then

inb4 population growth. I support mass starvation of shitskins

People want new shit. You want new shit. You want new devices, new clothes, a Tesla....this old shit we got don't mean shit to other people.eberything should be disposeable and recyclable except for digital records or VR you

>>136933889
capitalism and population control aren't mutually exclusive. there is also the future of technological advancement to consider. your views are narrow and shortsighted, I wouldn't even consider myself capitalist but I can't take your unfalsifiable claim seriously.

>>136933889
> how do you capitalists reconcile the need for constantly growing economies with the limited resources of our planet?
Growing economy means more efficient use of resources as well, dummy.

>>136933449
Capitalism creates new needs.
Read your Marx, faggot.

>>136933889

The universe is infinite.

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>>136933449

Humans have always been deluded selfish monsters. We are returning to the old ways.

>>136933449
>the entire economy is based on convincing people to buy things they don't need

Actually, it's essentially a giant, international ponzi scheme.

>>136933889
Please don't conflate Keynesianism with all other schools of economics.

>>136934069
In order to regrow food you have to not just grow endless corn until the farmland is totally fucking destroyed. You need to not pump CO2 and methane into the air until the ice caps melt and Miami sinks into the sea.

We're pretty much teetering over the point of no return right now.

Capitalism demands waste and destruction. Products are intentionally made to only last a year or two and then they go in the trash and you buy a new one. It's totally fucking crazy.

>>136933889
>I'll just ignore population increase like every other stupid anarchist/commie cuck

Fucking idiot, neck yourself.

>>136934330
So what is your solution?

>>136934351
Communism will win.

>>136934330
Look we knew you were larping the first time. No reason to get cocky just because I gave an serious answer to a commonly asked question

>>136934330

> In order to regrow food you have to not just grow endless corn until the farmland is totally fucking destroyed.
>Yes people totally don't know that and I need to tell them

>Capitalism demands waste and destruction.
Have you never seen a Soviet industrial area?

Grow up m8 and smell the roses.

>>136934390
Libertarian Municipalism would be a good road to start down.

>>136934426
It's not surprising that State Capitalism was also destructive.

>>136934430
Explain, compare and contrast.

>>136933449

Personally I'd have used "ethos" or "mechanism," personifying cancer is best left for Jews and nigs.

>>136934395
lmao. SJWism has been utterly discredited because all of its followers are mentally ill. At this point it's either neoliberalism (99% chance) or white nationalism.

>>136934395
In a competition to see which society can starve to death the quickest, sure.

>>136934395
Says increasingly nervous man every day since the late 19th century.

>>136934477

>Muh state capitalism
Shut the fuck up faggot. I don't have time to deal with your twelve thousand pronouns.

But any refining/manufacturing processes has byproducts, some being pollutants. Meaning that unless you go back to being a cave man you will pollute.

>>136934477
>no private property
>capitalism
With this level of bait, nobodie's going to take you seriously.

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reminder that marxism and capitalism are 2 sides of the same jewish coin

>>136934652
You yourself are falling for the false dichotomy when you think capitalism has to look like it does on the right.

>>136934744

90% of Fascist and Fascist Doctrines were Socialists and Communists.

I actually don't support Marxism. I'm Bookchinist-Öcalanist...

>>136934330
>flag
Stopped reading here, go back to leftypol

>>136934874
Hey there fellow libertarian

>>136933449
Mmm OP there is something hidden in your picture, what is it?

>>136934805
The way they tried to build communism is inherently fascist. Live for the flock, die for the flock.

>>136934805
This is verifiably true, but doesn't make them alike. Both are based on the same dialectical materialism that inspired communism and preceded communism. Both are revolutionary ideologies built around the restructuring of society along ideological lines. The biggest difference would be the economics

>>136933889
Read Sowell

>>136933449
God forbid anyone should desire more than the most basic necessities of life. We should all just have a small amount of food and water with a small shelter we can wait in until we get more of our rations

>>136933889
It's called increasing efficiency. You think communist states don't require perpetual growth? The only difference is that capitalism sees growth taper off at a certain level of productivity. Communist countries don't share those increases in productivity, so their economies become less and less efficient as they squander more and more resources

>>136933889
We want to leave this planet and throw commies out of airlocks.

>>136935213
Fascist economics are trash. It's like the worst parts of Keynesianism combined with the worst parts of Socialism

>>136934634
State capitalism =/= free market capitalism.
State capitalism has private ownership, as did Soviet citizens. It's just that the markets, and therefore the distribution of goods and services, was controlled by the state

>>136933449
Growth is fueled by efficiency generally speaking and efficiency allows us to live better lives with less shit. So it's actually pro environmentalism not against it.

>>136935622
What? The means of production were state owned in the USSR, until they were forced to embrace reforms starting with market reforms in the late sixties.

>>136933449

sums up this forced multiculturalism nonsense p well, desu senpai

>>136935754
State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes commercial (i.e., for-profit) economic activity, and where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned business enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management), or where there is otherwise a dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along business-management practices) or of publicly listed corporations in which the state has controlling shares.

What's the difference between ownership, and control/management?

>>136935961
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[13] Social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]
(I can copy paste Wikipedia too)

I would differentiate socialism from state capitalism by the status of private property. I'd call China state capitalism as the state owns a large amount of the means of production but allows private enterprise as well. Whereas in the USSR there was no private enterprise.

>>136935631

>American education

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

>>136933889
You can still have zero growth under a capitalist system if the people stop demanding more and more stuff. The only reason why the economy keeps growing is because there is demand for it to.

>>136933707
Ironically much of the same reasoning for why diversity is a good thing can also be used to argue for why cancer is a good thing.

>There is only a 0.1% genetic difference between different people! We are all the same!

The same can be said for cancer cells. They have the same DNA code as the rest of your cells, except with a few mutations to give them unlimited growth. In much the same way, the small genetic difference between a white man and a nigger can have a huge impact.

>>136933449

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of every single living thing ever, you stupid commie fuck. Let me ask you, when was the first environmental catastrophe caused by living organisms?

>>136933449
cancer has no ideology

>>136933889
very easy

90% goys have shot mememory, like a amoeba

each 75 years great depression happens and world war or big conflict ruins capitals and kills goys

then goys are ready to work for free again

then growth starts again.

>>136938815
not it isn't it's live long enough to pass on genes this doesn't have anything to do with capitalism vs communism as their are many private and non publicly traded companies that prefer to slim down their business instead of non stop expansion. Efficiency > Growth.

>>136933987
undebrided.

>>136933449
>tfw the entire economy is based on convincing people to buy things they don't need
I wonder what (((they))) could gain by this?

>>136933449
I thought that slogan was kinda redpilled, especially regarding "Muh Birth Rates", "Muh gotta crank up those meaningless Numbers"

>>136934282
>We are returning to the old ways.
It's gonna be strange though, given our technology.. it will most likely play out in a manner entirely isolated from societies of the past.

>>136938815
>when was the first environmental catastrophe caused by living organisms?
Great Oxygenation Event
>2 billion years ago

Thrift would make us wealthier. Growth CAN continue forever - consider the galaxy!

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>>136933449

>tfw humanity is going to burn through it's rare earths including phosphorous like there is an infinite supply thereby precipitating a massive population correction and a future where land fills are mined for rare materials by the survivors

>>136943161
does atoms become destroyed? if you "use" phosphor, does the phosphor molecule then disappear? change into different atoms?
No, the atoms (with the exception of radioactive elements) will always exist in the same ratio on our planet. Only the compounds which it is a part of can change..
recycling will gradually become more economical feasible as the supply of phosphor decline.

Why do companies put xenestrogenes in our food, like dairy milk products?
Xenestrogenes->sped up hormone production->sped up growth->mass production->more consumers->more money

>>136943706

Phosphorous is used for chemical based fertilizer. It is already at critically low levels. The only way to preserve phosphorous in the soil is with intensive, sustainable agriculture. It does not scale to meet industrial needs.

As more hungry mouths fill this wasteful world humanity is going to hit a brick wall when it comes to it's needs for phosphorous. By the time humans get around to trying to conserve what they have left it will be too late.

There are going to be global famines that make Africa look like a holiday and wars over the most basic of resources.

>>136933449
> tfw the entire economy is based on convincing people to buy things they don't need
Like immigrants welfare checks?

>>136944090
My comment was that atoms don't disappear..
If you use oil, the atoms don't disappear, it become carbon dioxide.. The supply of phosphor they use as fertilizer, may diminish, but the actual amount of phosphor atoms on the planet remains the same.
At some point it will become economically feasible to recycle some of the phosphor, which currently are to expensive.
The distribution of atoms on our planet remains constant, the only difference is the compound they participate in which may change..

>>136943706
Entropy will increase, things get used up

>>136944428

You aren't going to recover phosphorous from agricultural runoff that's in the ocean. The only way to recover it is with intensive sustainable agriculture that naturally maintains the level of phosphorous in the soil. Those methods do not scale to the levels of production that humanity would need to sustain itself anywhere near current levels.

The point i'm making is that humans are not going to change their ways until the point of no return is passed. Even if some method of "recycling" is developed it would increase the energy cost of food to such levels that people are going to starve to death regardless because of the cost.

There is no such thing as infinite growth on this planet.

>>136944729
>Entropy will increase
In a time aspect that is million of years, yea that is correct.
Think of the how much energy there is in fusion/fission.
Think of Solar power, as long as the sun shine, we can get useful energy.
Entropy is not a problem.. unless you care about the Morlocks.

>>136934330
>not pump CO2 and methane into the air until the ice caps melt
there is a shitton of geothermic activity going on and has been going on for the past 100 years under the arctic and along the ring of fire.

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>>136933889

Constant growth is needed to repay central bank Jews.

In reality constant growth will end sooner or later and the current rigged system will collapse. Communism won't work either.

Of course I would never ask you to pick between two false choices. You should take the third path.

>>136933449

Growth for the sake of growth is not only the "idealogy" of a cancer cell.

It is the "ideology" of all life as we know it.

Given perfect conditions all life will flourish and keep flourishing and expanding until it is stopped either by outside influences or the diminishment of those perfect conditions.

I know you are going to bring up the "mouse utopia" where the population died out under "perfect conditions". But clearly their conditions were not "perfect". Given a football stadium as an environment would have led to far different conditions than that one room they were confined to.

At any rate. That picture is silly.

Could say rabbits instead of cancer

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>>136934395
The problem with communism is that it is also a materialist ideology. It advocates material progress, which means more stuff and environmental degradation. It just disagree with capitalism on how to achieve this progress.

The final red pill is primitivism.

>>136945347

Except rabbits have predators and don't rely on resources that , for their purposes, are considered finite. A better example is deer in the UK, who, if not culled, will rapidly destroy all their sources of food to the point that it won't regrow, and all starve. That's our fate.

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>>136933449
By that retarded logic, Bruce Lee was a mindless tumor. Commies and anti-capitalist tribalists need to fuck off.

>>136945729
>People are literally mindless deer lmao how da fuck do capitalists recover?
Fucking Varg posters.

>>136933707
no you didn't
that shit makes no fucking sense