/pg/ PAGANISM GENERAL

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It has come to our attention that shills have organized a misinformation paganism discord, complete with drug taking, porn posting, and other degeneracy. Their goal is to gain members, which they do by inviting our new members who are often new to paganism, into their discord so they can fill their head with lies and misinformation. In a way, they leech members from us. Everyone from this discord that is also in our discord has been banned. If anyone knows anything more about this discord, notify us immediately. Here is some of what we gathered from their server.

>>136896263
BUMP

>>136896263

>>136896492

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>>136896678
>>136896710
Thanks for bumping I guess

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>>136896263
>the future of Aryan Race, Culture, Traditionalism, Jewish Question and Christianity.
Since my library has jack shit to do with any of that, you mind dropping the link?

>>136896492
what is it about paganism that brings out the buttflustered shills? do they really feel that threatened?

also, to whoever set the record straight about zoroastrianism and manichaeism not being approved, and the precolumbian gods being ettins, thanks.

>>136899824
I said that and no problem lol

>>136896263
Who else wants to stroke Thors massive hammer?

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>>136899824
>zoroastrianism and manichaeism not being approved, and precolumbian
>>136899988
Well since I've got quite a bit of Zoro and Amerind collections, I'd kindly request dropping my library link a second time.

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Was nice to hang with these guys for a couple of days. Sadly there were no practicing pagans on the discord, unless you consider lighting a candle "practicing". Most discussions revolved around who is part of the aryan race and who is not. But there was no discussion about how to celebrate/honor the gods nor was there any advice to be found on how to connect with the gods but some shitty FAQ and wikipedia links. Appearantly Paganism has nothing to do with Shamanism. If youre truly seeking knowledge, stay away!

>>136901360
You were advocating for drug use and that could not be tolerated.

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>>136901545
Why not? The cunning men of the north and/or celtic groups were using a wide array of herbal preparations to alter their consciousness, notably the Fly Agaric.

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>>136901889
>>136901545

Pic related from:
>The Fungal Pharmacy: The Complete Guide to Medicinal Mushrooms and Lichens By Robert Rogers

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>>136901545
A war veteran shared his story about how DMT helped him through his depression, and we briely talked about psilocybin and its possible benefits for the human psyche, before Admins got triggered and denounced any substance use (mushrooms or similar) in Pagan culture, this ignorance towards the scientific method is only to be found amongst christcucks. All you guys heard was "hey lets get high inject each other with aids and eat from the dumpster"

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>>136902453
There's a moderate amount of evidence that the Kyekon of the Eleusinian cult was some form of ergot preparation. Hoffman wrote on this, iirc.

>>136902453
>A war veteran shared his story about how DMT helped him through his depression, and we briely talked about psilocybin and its possible benefits for the human psyche, before Admins got triggered and denounced any substance use (mushrooms or similar) in Pagan culture, this ignorance towards the scientific method is only to be found amongst christcucks. All you guys heard was "hey lets get high inject each other with aids and eat from the dumpster"

You were not advocating for medical use like the war veteran which we had no issue with, you were advocating for recreation and taking shrooms for your ""spiritually experiences"" like an absolute degenerate.

Prophesied events during the Kali Yuga

>People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.

Just like you were advocating.

Pagan Europe
>Ancient Greece
>Alexander the Great
>Socrates
>Cool ass buildings that are still impressive
>Spartans
>Roman Republic/Empire
>Caesars
>Probably the greatest empire the world has ever seen
>Copied gods from Greeks
>Also has cool ass buildings
>Killed by Germans

Christian Europe
>Kingdoms all over Europe
>Byzantine Golden Age
>Charlemagne
>Some cool Popes
>Crusades
>Magna Carta
>Some cool churches
>The Black Death
>Renaissance
>Cool ass paintings
>Groovy architecture
>Conquers the Americas
>Some wars
>Napoleon
>Industrial Revolution
>America when it was good
>Conquering India and Africa
>World War 1
>Spanish Flu
>Europe being shit after world war 1
>Great depression
>Germany becoming the greatest country in the history of mankind
>World War 2
>Shit kind of sucks
>Everything gets better

Atheist Europe
>2006-2045
Shit

Muslim Europe
2045-?

What if we stopped Europe from becoming Muslim instead of this silly Pagan vs Christian shit?

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>>136902935
>People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
Can you demonstrate a physical addiction mechanism for the tryptamine class of hallucinogens?

Most people can't stand to take them more than once every couple of months and are rendered highly ineffective if taken more than once a week or so.

Are you even aware of the pharmacodynamics of these substances?

For the life of me I can't find the discord chat. What do I search up on discord to find it?

>>136905000
click join new server

>>136905112
Oh... Thanks I knew I was missing something.

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>>136902935
You just want to hear want you want to hear, i did not advocate for shit. Before we actually got into a conversation to make it clear what we're talking about you guys got incredibly agitated, there was no possible way to make this conversation positive or constructive, so to end it was the only choice there was. The Veteran left because he noticed that the only reason you did not straight up call him out as degenerate shill faggot is because of his honorable service to his community. As the conversation continued without you guys we also touched on the topic that there is no actual need for substances in case you're trying to have a spiritual experience. Extatic dances or isolation (tank/meditation/prayer) are also very valid options to induce spiritual experiences and to imply that things like this did not happen in pagan culture is ignorant and wrong. To claim that there was no effort made in Pagan culture (any faith basicly) to seek an altered state of mind is ridicolus.
And lets not forget the fact that there obviously is a medical use for several different hallucinogens and to denounce substance use in Pagan culture is still purely fueled by ignorance.

All youre trying to do it seems is looking for an Antithesis towards Christianity to form some sort of common aryan myth without actually engaging or practicing the faith you proclaim to adhere. The Core of the Pagan Community was and always will be the Shaman, not some Larpers overseas claiming to own the truth about their lost heritage. Good Fortune on your future endevours my lost brothers, leave it to us to tend the holy land you are not needed here.

>>136907032
>All youre trying to do it seems is looking for an Antithesis towards Christianity to form some sort of common aryan myth without actually engaging or practicing the faith you proclaim to adhere.
If there was ever a description for the pagans in these threads it would be this one. Basically just revising history.

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>>136896263

I want to understand actual pagan traditions and beliefs and not this wishy-washy LARPY shit. Where do I start?

>>136907654
Reddit

>>136907731
That was helpful.

>>136907567
That's so fucking accurate

>>136907654
>and not this wishy-washy LARPY shit.

Explain

>>136907654
>Where do I start?
Depends on what you want.
The link to my library ( https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ ) has a beginner's folder that's meant as a babby's first, but the other folders go fairly deep into specific spheres of practice, depending on what exactly you're looking for.

I'll warn that it's difficult to get a working reconstruction of even some well known shit, let alone obscure or specific practices, and much of the Nordic (?) material between the poorly recorded ancient shit and hostile/christianized accounts are in the Grimorie tradition which leaves a lot of the figuring in the hands of the operator.

In some cases it would likely be more fruitful to go traditional witchcraft (yes this is actually a thing in the historical record, see Grimoire of Arthur Gauntlet) or late neoplatonic Grimoire specialist.

>>136896263
Hello Kek

>>136908449
more like a blatant strawman.

>traditional witchcraft
I'm assuming this is different from Wicca, which is a highly eclectic 20th century invention.

>>136912532
>which is a highly eclectic 20th century invention.
It actually appears some of the tradcraft groups fed info into Gardner's group. The history is a bit more complex than than most sources imply but yes, I am referring to traditional folk magic praxes as opposed to the BTW of Gardner.

>>136913973
I see. as always, it's not clear cut.

None of you worship pagan gods.

>>136896492
anyone got the link to this discord?