Is Italy the World War II underdog?

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>>136852991
Yeah, totally.

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They were sooo underrated dude.

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Misunderstood.

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>>136853219
>>136853284
>>136853314
>56%

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>>136853475
I can go on.

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>>136853556
Actually, please do go on. I wanna see more of these.

>>136853475
>implying italy wasn't a burden
>deflecting thia hard
(you)

They should have been well prepared considering fascism helped them avoid the depression after 1929.

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>>136853885
I believe Italy's downfall was directly because of it's sub par military might. Mussolini should've taken notes from Hitler during their meetings, and so on, unfortunately despite Mussolini's begging for Hitler to bide him some time, time was working against them and Mussolini was dragged into a shit show.

>>136853885
>building cities
>not wanting a war
>not building weapons instead of burgers that sent thousands of tank to bongs

>>136854166
Then Mussolini got dicklet syndrome and tried to invade Greece because of his retarded irridentism. Germany gave up South Tirol in the interests of alliance, but would Mussolini do the same? No.
So he attacks Greece, which was negotiating about joining the axis, gets his shit pushed in, and forces Germany to save his ass through Yugoslavia, wasting troops that could have been used to fuck up the commies.
>>136854267
Will you fight better in the upcoming war, Mario?

>>136854755
We have some of the best saboteur troops in the world.

But our airplanes... we commissioned f35 and, you know...

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>>136854755
What's the root of your anger, lad? We're just having a discussion about Italy and here you come seething at the mouth with such autistic venom.

>>136852991
so what you will, but the Munich Coup attempt was definitely turbo ausitmo, especially if you read up on it about how Hitler was so fascinated with himself and thought the everyone would immediately follow. He was literally mocked and only given such a short sentence, when communists got shot for the same thing, because they saw him as a mentally ill basketcase and took it easy on him.

>>136854755
About Greee you know nothing John Snow.
Greece was an UK backup state, a center of bong spies, and we were full of spies and traitors.
Like Crowley or Badoglio (general wanted by the crown).

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>>136853314
Never Forghetti

>>136853219
sure

>>136853739
nice troll

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>>136853475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALy_A5owNUo

Btw, at the end Mussolini says for Italian-Americans to "make America Great again."

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>>136855436
That's interesting. I've never heard that before, I suppose it wouldn't be hard for an Italian-American to rise in American politics considering most Italian-Americans and literal Italian FOB's vote for anyone with an Italian last name. Most Italian-American communities also value their culture, ancestral past, and so forth even going to the extent of ensuring some of their kids marry fellow Italians.

>>136854897
I wish the Axis won. I know it isn't Italy's fault they lost, but they were not prepared and they made a lot of mistakes.
>>136855252
Metexas was borderline fascist, just like Pilsudski. He probably would have at least stayed neutral, if not outright joining the anti-comintern pact. Probably wouldn't have fought the Western allies, though.
>>136855276
fucking leafs

>>136853219
Italy sucked at the war side but ideologically Mussolini was better than Hitler.

while Hitler was "muh masterrace" "Germans should dominate Europe by killing other whites!" and stealing art/destroying historical sites in Russia, Poland etc.
Mussolini was just making a strong fascist Italy proud of its culture and achievements. Much more generally likable movement in the idea that every country could go fascist and strong that way.
Unlike Hitler's "solution" that conveniently ends with German domination. Germans saying the only way forward is for them to dominate Europe? where have we heard that before? oh wait...throughout history and ongoing today.

>>136855907
>Hitler was "muh masterrace" "Germans should dominate Europe by killing other whites!" and stealing art/destroying historical sites in Russia, Poland etc.
Fake news. (((They))) weren't going to let Germany go free, and Germany was forced to fight for its survival. They had no desire to exterminate other groups.

>>136856194
yes, the 23+ million slavic civillians died by accident.

Hitler wasn't trying to starve St Petersburg and planning to level the city while looting the Tzar's old palaces.

Oh wait...he was.
The holocaust is fake news. What Hitler did to slavs was very much real, and barely even mentioned because "who cares, they are just slavs"

Fight for survival by attacking Poland?
Fight for survival by invading the Czech Republic?
What a joke. It was a German dominance scheme with German excuses/propaganda fueling.
>inb4 muh danzig corridor propaganda!

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>>136855905
It's okay, I understand your anger as well. So much wasted potential.

>>136856519
you're totally not trolling.

>>136856677
Im not trolling.
Look up the Siege of Leningrad to understand what I referenced.

As for the rest, its self explanatory.
The "fake" part of the WW2 is that Jews were the victim. However that doesn't mean the Nazis weren't doing fucked up shit, mainly to slavs. They very much were. You can't just deny WW2 happened and re-write a fake narrative where the Germans were innocent angels.

You are just being a jew at that point. Maybe thats the genius Neo-Nazi plan though. To lie as much jews, idk.
Just saying ideologically Mussolini > Hitler.

>>136855905
France lost in few days, if Italy staye out of the conflict Hitler would have direct control to mediterraneum sea.

Greece war was made for that reason too, to avoid germanic expansion to south (Hitler assassinated Romanian rulers and was reading to get to south).

Greece campaign was made in secret from Badoglio, that could call UK, the plan was actually take all the ports, but when the plan started there was a storm, and the fleet could not go in.
The result was that the only possible thing to do was going only up to the mountaigns, and that was almost suicidal, even because Greece in a delirium put all the troops there and left north frontier totally exposed without defense (a joke for Germany).
And the surprise attack could not be done, because UK was there to back up Greece.

>>136856519
I am a Slav, you nitwit. Generalplan Ost and the Hunger Plan were just bs kike lies. They were just acknowledgements that an invasion of the USSR would result in large-scale suffering if the German army was to stay supplied. A grim recognition of reality, if you will.
War is hell. I would have preferred the Soviets got destroyed before all that death, but if 1/6 of a group must die to allow the rest to live, then so be it. I'd rather die fighting for my people than watch them fade into the abyss.
>>136856559
I'm not angry at Italians per se, as they are fellow whites and valuable allies. I am angry at the mistakes themselves.
>>136857069
Or so you thought. As I said, Italy's focus on geopolitical games shot the Axis in the foot.

>>136857638
Not really.
All the objectives were possible, but were made many mistakes and, as I said, we were full of british spies.

>>136858830
Fair enough.

>>136857638
>Generalplan Ost and the Hunger Plan were just bs kike lies.
Can you back this up with something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war
>[...] This resulted in some 3.3 to 3.5 million deaths, or 57% of all Soviet POWs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre
>Unable to proceed forward, some of the German troops began to go from house to house carrying out their orders to shoot all inhabitants. Many civilians were shot on the spot but some were killed after torture and sexual assault.[5] Estimates vary, but Reinefarth himself has estimated that up to 10,000 civilians were killed in the Wola district on 5 August alone, the first day of the operation.[6] Most of the victims were the elderly, women and children.

Lay off the memes and read a text on history. The German plans and actions to genocide the Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe are well documented.

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>>136855276
How is this even possible?

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>>136856976
>Slavs greeting the Wehrmacht with flowers

>>136859457
Ukrainian slavs liked Hitler because Stalin treated them like shits

>>136859255
What about the slavshit plan to cut Germany in half? What about the fact that East Prussia was emptied and wiped off the map?
>oh but that's just war anon
Exactly

>>136855276
>>136859414
Destroyer hit a mine and a bunch of people stepped on landmines left behind by the japanese before they evacuated.

>>136859457
Wow, this one picture with no context at all truly disproves the Generalplan Ost.

FIY: Many Slavs in the Soviet Union, especially the Ukrainians, greeted the Germans as liberators, because they thought literally anything would be better than Stalinism.
It didn't stop the Germans from killing them anyway, LOL. The Germans gonna Germ.

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>>136856519
>>136859255
>Slavs shilling their jewish lies

>>136859738
What are you talking about?
Germany being separated from East Prussia by the Free City of Danzig justifies a genocide of millions of Eastern Europeans?

East Prussia was annexed by Poland after the war you dipshit

>>136859809
Try and find one fucking photo of Germans greeting the Red Army with smiles and flowers, just one.

>>136859809
>Many Slavs in the Soviet Union, especially the Ukrainians, greeted the Germans as liberators, because they thought literally anything would be better than Stalinism.
You can stop there. Everything else is just bullshit

>>136857069
>you will never live in a neo Greco-Italian Roman Empire
why live

>>136859457
Literally propaganda

>>136852991
Shitaly was the soft underbelly. France is better at fighting.

>>136860032
I won't get down to the nigger level of debate, AKA throwing pictures at eachother.

The exsitance of the Generalplan Ost and the German atrocities against Slavs are well documented. The burden of disproving them lies on you.

>>136859840
Neo-nazis will never become relevant with that attitude.

You still haven't provided a shred of evidence to disprove the Generalplan Ost.

>>136860280
I would not be opposed to this
t. full-blooded Hibernian

>>136859255
And 90% of German troops taken prisoner died. The Eastern Front was a meatgrinder, and the Germans were by no means nice, but considering they had limited resources to take care of huge numbers of POW's while simultaneously maintaining supply lines to millions of troops and battling even more partisans, they certainly weren't evil.
Also the Wola massacre is bad, I won't deny that. But
> collaborationist forces
is a crucial point. I'd guess that other Slavic SS units were involved. Especially since it mentions torture and sexual assault.
Don't forget that Stalin literally left the Poles to rot, waiting for the Germans to kill you while the Red Army watched and refused to help.
He wanted the destruction of your people, while the Germans were acting out of desperation to maintain a rapidly deteriorating situation.

I'm not going to act like Germans were incapable of atrocities. But on the whole, I firmly believe every white country would be better off now had the Axis won.
>>136859809
I agree, partially. Manstein was right that Hitler should have made Ukraine independent rather than make them into more partisans. But Hitler's drugs from a quack doctor made him into a paranoid freak that couldn't give up any control, even when he should have.

>>136859993
...which proves that the Germans were right all along. Also what the hell is this genocide bullshit? All the Slav communities that Hitler took over are still Slav today. Nobody got wiped out, nations weren't emptied. He certainly could have genocided every last Pole but he didn't.

jew freemasons murdered William morgan and bill cooper.

mason cops clergy fuk goyim, at degree 9 they take oath to murder.

>>136860421
Actually the burden of proof lies with you. The Holocaust is as well documented as your Generalplan Ost. Hitler didn't genocided anybody.

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>people referring to Generalplan Ost when the only evidence for it is the Soviet Union saying "Just trust us you stupid goy."

If you deny the Holocaust but accept Generalplan Ost, you're not a critical thinker. You just jumped on the bandwagon.

Reminder that whoever is allied with Germany is destined to be their bitch boy.

>WW1: Austro-Hungry
>WW2: Italy
>EU: France

Move into
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>>136852991

Italian industry was dog shit , so Italy was very useless as an ally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqoOk5nZEKw

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>>136859765
Leafs literally BTFO

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>Italians create own and maintain white civilization for 1000 years
>nordshits LARP as white and try to do it.
>It's destroyed in 10 years and the remnants of their cucked race are slav rape babies thirsty for nigger cum

Sad!

>>136860421
>I can't find one picture of Slavs treating Germans like human beings. However you should believe my communist/Jewish propaganda on so-called atrocities.

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>>136860780
I'd appreciate it if you fucked off. Stop coming into threads and spamming your bullshit, we get it, "IT'S HAPPENING" for the 50th fucking time this month.

Christ almighty.

>>136860280
feels bad man

>>136860280
Yet
The South will rise again one day, I am sure brothers

>>136860731
Germany took way more casualties in the war and German soldiers died defending Italians on Italian soil. How many Italians died defending Germany?

>>136860780
Get the fuck out of here nigger.

>>136861372
It's bound to happen. Influence moves.

>>136860546
>He certainly could have genocided every last Pole but he didn't.
Because he was defeated and driven out before he could finish the job, you fucking retard

>which proves that the Germans were right all along.
literally what?

>>136860470
>the Germans have killed 3 million prisoners, but it's ok because they were at war
>they certainly weren't evil
This is just plain evil, and anyone would agree unless they're an actual nazi, which - thank God - are the fringe of the fringe nowadays

So many words, and you still haven't provided any historical source to disprove the Generalplan Ost.

>Don't forget that Stalin literally left the Poles to rot, waiting for the Germans to kill you while the Red Army watched and refused to help.
So you're saying Stalin was evil? WTF, I guess I'm a nazi now, 1488.

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>>136860659
>>136860676
>>136860995

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#Footnotes

>inb4 those are all jewish/bolshevik sources
>inb4 "I have no sources of my own, but trust me"

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>>136855276
Absolutely honourable

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>>136861763
>Nazis
>swayed by facts
>arguing in good faith
lmfao

Katyn was justified, btw.

>>136861516\
"killed"
More like they starved or died of exposure. Even Western troops died in German captivity, because their entire logistical system was being bombed 24/7.
Damn it, Dabrowski, I'm saying that if you are faced with two sides that have ideologies which will come into conflict with Poles, you side with the one that does the least amount of damage. There is a reason Pilsudski wanted to side with Germany.
Also
>implying literally everything about German "crimes" hasn't been bloated by 70 years of Jewish-controlled propaganda and "research"
>implying I can't go onto Google right now and find 6 gorillion 'eyewitness accounts' of the Holohoax, including totally kosher and unquestionably true reports of SS guards publicly masturbating to tortured Jews
ok

>>136861516
The fact that East Prussia was drained of Germans by the Slavs after the war is proof that Hitler was correct about the Slavs wanting to genocide East Prussia.
>>136861763
(((Wikipedia))) kek
>>136862010
A commie that cares about facts? No such thing.

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>>136861763
>bunch of russian names
>bunch of (((German))) names
>not a single original document

>trust me goy, Hitler genocided the slavs. Ignore the fact that he allied some and even had slavic SS divisions. He was a monster
The only """civilians""" that ever got killed were partisans

>>136860820
more amerifats died there than canadians because you fatties triggered 2 mines at once

>>136862784
>>136862443
What's next? Germany didn't betray and attack Italy?

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>>136862443
>The fact that East Prussia was drained of Germans by the Slavs after the war is proof that Hitler was correct about the Slavs wanting to genocide East Prussia.
East Prussian Germans weren't killed after the war but shipped off into Germany unharmed.

>>136862421
>More like they starved or died of exposure.
>It's OK to kill 3 million defenseless captives, as long as you do it by starvation, not bullets
I guess the Holodomor was also "just starvation", right?

>>136862443
>>136862421
>your sources are ALL invalid and jewish propaganda
>I have no sources of my own
>Just TRUST ME goddammit!

Lmao, this is what I get from you nazis every single time. Quite a silly bunch you are.
There's no point in even carrying on this conversation unless you provide a single historical source that isn't an out-of-context propaganda photograph.

Thinking about buying a fasces decal for my car window. Going to record how long it takes for some degenerate to get asshurt and key it or something.

If nothing else, it might serve as a conversation starter.

>>136861763
Also, I did some basic searching, and even Jewkipedia admits this of the RONA SS division, which was in Warsaw during your cited massacre.:
>The division formation was never implemented and part of the “RONA”- Brigade was forwarded to Warsaw, where the unit was again involved in committing numerous war-crimes. On August 18, 1944, Bronislav Kaminski was killed. According to various sources, either an SS court found him guilty or he was simply executed outright by the German Gestapo.

Wow, Germany so evil, I love Jewish dick now.
I like Poland and the Poles. I like the basic principles of National Socialism. Stop focusing on the wrong enemy--did the Germans do some wrong? Absolutely. they should not be praised for that. However, we should not discredit the entire ideology simply because of isolated mistakes and desperate measures.
>>136863257
The Holodomor wasn't during a war.
And we are saying that National Socialism is not the Satan it is painted to be. We are not claiming that they are literal saints, and you are trying to shoehorn the argument into an unwinnable and untenable stance that ZERO crimes were committed by Germany.

>>136862443
The Slavs didn't do it, Jews did it. The Slavs are just as much the victims as the Germans, in the grand scheme of things. Don't let the kikes divide us.

>>136862799
Sounds like you got fucking triggered, you fucking leaf.

>>136863257
>unless you provide a single historical source
You didn't provide any historically source in the first place. Show me an actual document of Hitler saying that "inferior Slavs need to be genocided"

>>136863702
>Der natürliche Siedlungsraum des Deutschen Volkes ist das Gebiet östlich unserer Reichsgrenze bis zum Ural ... In diesem Raum werden wir siedeln [...]
Translation by me (I speak German pretty well):
>The natural settling space of the German people is the land to the East, with the borders of our Reich at the Ural Mountains... In this space we will settle.
A quote by Richard Walther Darré, the Reichminister of Food and Agriculture

>We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the East. At long last, we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the pre–War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
A quote by Heinrich Himmler, the leader of the SS

>As six hundred years ago, the German peasant's destiny must be to preserve and increase the German people's patrimony in their holy mother earth battle against the Slav race.
A quote by Adolf Hitler

>However, we should not discredit the entire ideology simply because of isolated mistakes and desperate measures.
Yes, we should. An ideology that focuses EXCLUSIVELY on the German people, seeking agression against other nations, should be detested and thrown into the trash of history.

Still waiting for sources. You're sure good at writing many words, but your words are without merit.

>>136863257
>East Prussians weren't genocided, we just erased their nation and destroyed their culture.
Look up the definition of genocide.
>Holodomor was the same as what Germany did.
Holodomor was a deliberate famine that took place during peacetime. You can't compare it to the deaths in Germany at the end of the war when the country couldn't even feed its own citizens.
>no sources
At least I have actual visual proof of Germans greeted as liberators. You have made up Jewish statistics
>>136863186
The Germans killed more allied soldiers in Italy than the Italians did. How many Italians died defending Germany?

>>136864533
Germanics had always been in the Eastern lands to some degree. The Russian nobility, for example, heavily intermarried with the Germans. Also see Volga Germans and Crimean Goths.
If you're talking about irridentism, I don't support it now, although the justification for it then was to avoid a repeat of the starvation caused by the Allied blockades of WWI.
> An ideology that focuses EXCLUSIVELY on the German people, seeking aggression against other nations
It didn't seek aggression against others. A willingness to use force is not the same as senseless violence, although I will concede that it will lead to more unfortunate incidents.
And I don't mean German NatSoc. I mean core NatSoc, which can be applied to any nation. I'm just white nationalist, and I make no value judgement between ethnicities, even if circumstances and qualities differ.

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"The Italian command was, for the most part, not equal to the task of carrying on war in the desert, where the requirement was lightning decision followed by immediate action. The training of the Italian infantryman fell far short of the standard required by modern warfare. … Particularly harmful was the all pervading differentiation between officer and man. While the men had to make shift without field-kitchens, the officers, or many of them, refused adamantly to forgo their several course meals. Many officers, again, considered it unnecessary to put in an appearance during battle and thus set the men an example. All in all, therefore, it was small wonder that the Italian soldier, who incidentally was extraordinarily modest in his needs, developed a feeling of inferiority which accounted for his occasional failure and moments of crisis. There was no foreseeable hope of a change for the better in any of these matters, although many of the bigger men among the Italian officers were making sincere efforts in that direction."

>>136864733
>visual proof of Germans greeted as liberators.
Pictures are not a proof, especially since all of them were taken right after the nazi invasion, before the genocide and atrocitied began.

>you have made up jewish statistics
>muh Jews
Pathetic. Still waiting for a quality source for your claims, documents that would disprove those "jewish statistics".

In the post above yours I have listed several quotes from top-ranking nazi officials, how would you comment them?

>>136859840
>nazi larper
>likes worst girl
Like pottery

>>136865258
>Germanics had always been in the Eastern lands to some degree. The Russian nobility, for example, heavily intermarried with the Germans. Also see Volga Germans and Crimean Goths.

Oh come on now, this is just the most pathetic justification for an invasion/occupation I've ever seen. Literally grasping at straws.
The quotes, and the subsequent actions, speak clearly: nazis wanted to subjugate and genocide local Slavic populations to settle the land with ethnic Germans.

>>136865653
>nazi larper
How is it LARPing when I defend my ancestors who where NSDAP and SS member.
>likes worst girl
I bet you are one of those guys who said that she was cuter with long hair. She is going to win, wether you like it or not.

>>136853219
>38,300 prisoners

the biggest problem of italy was lack of resource and a mostly retarded officer corp
We had few good officer(like Giovanni Messe that addopted an effective defensive stance in tunisia)
Our tech was advanced in all point,our plane were some of the best in the war,we were some of the first to build radar and our warship kept the enormous royal navy on high attenction for 3 whole years despite total lack of fuel
In Russia our troops menaged to secure a lot of victories agaist the russian despite going with cartoon boots and the total lack of any transport
Infact our action on the Don could have allowed the German Army to retreat in time to better position instead of getting encircled
The early loss in africa was caused by the total lack on coordination(one of our best general died 12 day after the start of the war and he was supposed to lead that army) and food
Graziani was absolutelly pissed to mussolini for the terrible state of that army and the dumb order
He proved his worth later in 1944 launching an offensive that blocked the allies for 1 years
Our aviation had an incredible k/d despite their terrible condiction and lack of fighter and fuel
And our best unit were the unit that weren't dependant of strategic resource
the folgore?
paratroopers with a rifle and yet they destroyed 500 allied tank at el alameim
the X MAS?
a thousand men with some guided torpedo and yet they destroyed 2 british battleship and other minor vessel

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>>136866150
SEAG HAIIL my white brother

Italy needed to take up a friendly neutrality policy to Germany instead of an outright alliance. If Germany needed troops, Mussolini could raise a"""volunteer""" force. That way Italy didn't open itself to justified attacks from the British and open a new front

>>136866960
>implying the Allies gave a fuck about neutrality
They've invaded Iran and shared it with the USSR, even though it was a completely neutral state.

>>136867228
i forgot about the eternal anglo attitude, but it is one thing to attack a small power compared to arbitrarily attacking a much more european significant power.

>>136852991
Italy are the Tyrells, everyone thought they were smart but they just could not cope with such a large scale war, fled to the other side & still got fucked in the end.

>>136853556
>>136853475
>>136853314
>>136853284
>>136853219
No way these are accurate. No way. No way, right?

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>>136852991

>>136866960
this is also true
But you have to consider that the Regia Marina itself kept a lot of english warship in the meds
If we didn't join they would have launched Op overlord much before
Also the ''soft'' underbelly of europe quickly became a fradicidal bloodbath and saw the major number of death from anglo side compared to other front
The ''liberation'' of france and the succesive invasion of germany had 1/3 of the death of the italian campaign,we could say that Monte Cassino was our little stalingrad?
Also the RSI actually could have kept on fighting for much more if Germany didn't surrender(this is funny to say) and Mussolini wanted to run Milan into OUR stalingrad expecially considering that the troop that remained were the most fanatical
and don't forget the 2 milion italian that worked in german industry

>>136866111
You cant explain such a thing to americans. They get bombardee with 6 million jews propaganda, and if he gets redpilled, he automatically refuses all nazi criticism. He doesnt live in country where in every town or village, every train station and every public building is a monument or plaque full of names of people executed by nazis. They are so duped by the jew sobstory that they dont consider other casualties as real or important

>>136867684
>Several packs of useless equipment
This is how you can tell this was made by a retard

>>136867858
I'm afraid you're right. What saddens me deeply is how people who might otherwise have sensible opinions fall into unironic Hitler-worship. They think him some kind of a messiah for the "white race", a pan-European leader.

It's just not true. Nazism was a Germano-centric movement that antagonised Slavs. It's really that simple.

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>>136868606
I've noticed this as well. If you want to play Devil's Advocate, it could be due to the wide proportion of White Americans with Germanic ancestry. Still, National Socialism or more so Adolf Hitler deemed American's the ultimate degenerates and this notion that a Greater Germanic Reich would've just let America go on it's merry way is outright ridiculous.

At least Mussolini acknowledged Americans, propped them up to some extent and wasn't actively slandering them like his Germanic "ally."

>>136867858
>>136868606
I want to apply NatSoc to the ethnic groups comprising the white race.
I don't think it was a benefit to kill Slavs, as I'm a Slav myself. But I also don't think it was a goal in itself, and the ideology of nationalism combined with a curbing of degeneracy is sound. You accuse me of Jew-hate, when you have the same German-hate.

I suspect that it is because us burgers don't have the centuries of trauma and bad blood between nations, so we naively think that "white" can be applied so easily to Europe. Bottom line is, I don't care that much about the type of ideology that does it, as long as the white race is guaranteed Europe and diaspora homelands. I just happen to think NatSoc is very effective to that end.

I've been arguing all this time against obvious exaggeration, against the portrayal of NatSoc Germany as the ultimate evil, because it discredits the actual functioning of the system within a nation. Some of us burgers get overly invested in defending Germany as a whole, when no nation in history is completely guilt-free of anything. Take it with a grain of salt. You would be hard pressed to find anyone here outside of the occasional shitposter who hates Slavs.

>>136869215
Hitler disliked what American culture was becoming, and given that we had pretty much the same degeneracy as Wiemar Germany, I don't blame him.
The average white American wouldn't really be the focus of ridicule.

>>136867626
All real. Pasta niggers are objectively the most shit tier warriors in Europe ever since the fall of Rome.

I don't know much about fascist Italy. Why did they suck so bad militarily? With the amount if casualties they suffered I'm guessing they just used the Russian zerg rush only-give-rifles-to-every-other-man tactic, but surely a relatively small nation like Italy wouldn't be that retarded though, right?

>>136869277
>I don't think it was a benefit to kill Slavs, as I'm a Slav myself. But I also don't think it was a goal in itself
Oh come one. I've posted three quotes from top-tier nazi officials, including Hitler himself, from the Mein Kampf.

The country with the most deaths in total was the Soviet Union. Proportionally speaking, Poland holds the cake - about 20% of the pre-war Polish population has died.

Killing Slavs to occupy Eastern Europe up to the Urals WAS the nazi policy all along, no matter how much you cover your eyes and ears, scream "lalalala!" and pretend not to see it.

The viability of national socialism is a completely different topic. I'm not a national socialist, but you can be one without blindly defending Hitler.

>>136853219
>Lose to pajeets
Keke

>>136855276
Dang. My granddad sat around the Aleutian islands during ww2 because he joined the air corps but couldn't fly due to colorblindness. He said the scariest thing about being there was a lack of hygiene supplies and disgusting native sluts getting pregnant and telling the army it was some GI that knocked them up so they could get free child support. Sounds shitty, but I guess he didn't die from stepping on a landmine like the poor bastards that gave their life so that he could have the privilege of dicking around there for 4 years.

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>>136869277
> im slav
Pic related
Say something slav or youre ome of those 1/64 types

>>136852991
next time think before you post , Guido.

>>136870030
Territorial fights involve death, yes, and I'm not saying it was 100% ok. I am saying that Slav genocide is no more reality than the Holocaust. Would I have done things differently? Yes, of course. Could the Germans have done far worse? Also, yes.
>The viability of national socialism is a completely different topic.
That's generally what I'm getting at, too.
>>136870546
What do you mean say something Slav? Do you mean speak a language or just engage in fatalistic brooding?
3/4 of my family was Russian-speaking, until coming here, if that's what you mean. Pops didn't teach me, though. He didn't want me to go through the same thing he did in school, having to learn English from scratch.

>>136852991
Fascist Italy > dog shit > Nazi Germany

>>136867858
Meh, a lot of us know how the jews got into Europe in the first place. Trusting a German blindly is a great way to get shot in the back when they figure they don't need you for their schemes.
The jews taught them well.

>>136869513
He got caught up believing the propaganda his people were making.
The propaganda war was extreme.

>>136870123
Pajeet can be useful if he's led by white officers.

>>136870123
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Sikhs are pretty good soldiers.

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>>136870972
You are hopeless, man. Seriously, take a couple deep breaths and think it all over again.

Top German officials spoke loud and clear about the need to "settle" the lands of Eastern Europe, to engage in a "holy battle" against the Slavs.

Then they've invaded, causing immense suffering and deaths so numerous a human can't even imagine.

And now, on the far side of the Great Lake, you sit and justify it as
>it was just a war, man
>muh white identity, man
>national socialism isn't so bad generally

If you don't see that Hitler and his goons only cared about ethnic Germans and had no problem genociding other "whites", you're beyond salvation. The nazi propaganda has literally rotten out your brain.

I'm off to sleep. I hope I've planted a seed of doubt.

>pic related: Polish priests about to be executed by the Germans. 9 september 1939, Bydgoszcz.

>>136872132
>I hope I've planted a seed of doubt.
I've had that for a while. I generally attach their criticism of the Slavs to criticism of Communism and Jewish influence, but there is definitely an anti-Slav portion of the German version of NatSoc. Cognitive bias in play.
I've just lived in a multiracial shithole all my life. It makes you quite desperate, and more willing to justify violence. As I've said before, my main interest is to prevent the ideology from being sunk along with its leaders, because it's one of the few things that could actually bring whites back from the brink (imo). That's probably why most of the "Hitler dindu nuffin" types are Americans, in addition to what I said earlier. We get extremely invested in the ideology, myself included, and try to minimize any wrongdoings that happened along with it. I hope you'll take me at my word when I say that I have absolutely nothing against Poles, nor any European group, for that matter. We have faults, sure, but none worth killing each other over.

Good night, I guess.