Operation Unthinkable

>>136847855
Cuz everyone would be dead after that, u stupid idiot.

>>136847855
The Soviet Union would have won

Not like the commies had nukes.

>>136847855
well if we wanted to win ww2 we would have did it

>>136848015
you are fake news

Because we lost WW2.

>>136848015
we had nukes, they didn't
how do they win in that scenario?

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>>136847855
>Wanting world wide American democracy and capitalism™

Because then your (((jews))) would not have the perfect enemy to keep you in line with fear tactics.

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>>136847855
>anglokikes still in power
So many conflicts still would have happened. Nice try though, Schlomo.

>>136848335
That comic strip shows the maximum rational capacity of a communist indeed.

>>136848242
>LOL NUKE NUKE NUKE
America stop

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>>136848435
Not an argument lol

>Soviets prepare for massive push >"Sir we spotted a Capitalist Bomber over head" >"Let them pass Anon" >Boom... >Soviets incinerated by the milions

>>136848242
Even if the planes could pass throught miles of ant air battery and reach moskow (which is highly unlikely) it wouldn't have much effect.

West Germany would be overrrun and swept clean from the allied forces.

>>136848242
You had some shitty early nukes and they had enough manpower mobilized to invade all of Europe.

>>136847855
>Operation Unthinkable
More like "Operation Barbarossa 2: how many times are you gonna step on that rake?"

Seriously though, this shit happens EVERY SINGLE FUCKING time. Some asshole general with delusions of grandeur thinks he can quickly win a massive invasion, tries it, and then pretends it wasnt his fault when shit goes wrong and a "quick and easy war" turns into a bloody slog.

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if that happened and the west won, eastern europe would be full of niggers and muslims like france and sweden

the main reason they aren't today is because they were behind the iron curtain while the west was busy cucking itself

>>136847855
FDR was a commie agent.

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>>136848609
t. Ol' Boomer

>>136847855
Because (((America))) wasn't willing to back Churchill up with their nukes, and France was still in ruins. There was simply not enough support.

The psycological affect of atomic weapons would be a great factor in the war.

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>>136848697
USSR was ramping up their military at that time. Facing an army armed with T-54s and AK-47s and other new equipment wouldn't have gone well.

Why are American so uneducated

nice thumbnail

A good strategy would have been the far superior American airforce in cognition with the army the soviets would have a hard time trying to swarm the US with tanks if they could not make any

>>136848242

Stalingrad was more intense than the entire pacific front. German bombing campaign against it might as well have been a nuke. We'd have rolled you nukes or no nukes. There's a reason it was called operation unthinkable. Churchill was larping.

How? To put it in terms you'd understand "we would fight in the shade"

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>>136849004
The problem is that the war has not been waged in concentrated pitched battles for like 100 years by then.

Strategic bombers of that time couldnt reach the industrial and logistics centers of USSR; and targeting armies would require massive quantities of nukes and cause huge collateral and friendlt damage, because said armies were extremely spread out and mobile.

>>136849135
Do you know why its called the ak47?

>>136847855
Everyone was tired of war. The Americans were feed a steady diet of the Russians are now our friends for 4 years. Because of this no casus belli could be created without the Russians attacking.
That being said the Russians were spent. They had numbers but their logistic situation sucked. The land they conquered hated them and would have been a partisan field day. If the war lasted longer than a month the allies would have pushed them back to the original borders. America was still ramping up production of materials. Air superiority would have been achieved in a short time and the already bad logistic situation would have gotten worse.
They had greater numbers of better tanks but the rest of their equipment was lacking. The Pershing tank was more than a match for anything they had and would have been produced in numbers had the war gone on.
It would not be easy but the Russians would have been ground down in Eastern Europe between the polish partisans and the complete shit road situation in Eastern Europe.
That is without nukes.

>>136848609

>general, Americans just did the equivalent of the average week in 1941 worth of damage to us
>well shit we better surrender instead of rolling their puny European presence in a month like we planned.

Amerisharts biologically cannot comprehend the scope of the Eastern front

>>136847855
it could work if we simply exterminated all of the slavs

>>136847855
West would have lost

Anglos are not continental power and never will be, their soldiers are weak, equipment was inferior and tanks were junk.

All former land powers like Sweden, France and Germany were defeated by russia.
Anglos would have lost 4-5 soldiers dead and captured per 1 ussr soldier.

>>136847855
>>136848242
Entire USSR economy was focused on building more tanks and army tech, Soviet military was 10 times stronger than when the war started it was in overdrive. Meanwhile US had puny military presence in Europe and all other countries would capitulate to USSR faster than they did to Germany. While US would be steamrolled and thrown back into the ocean. Just look at what Soviet army did to Japs in Manchuria.
>muh nukes
Nukes are irrelevant if you have shitty means of delivery. To nuke any relevant city in USSR you would need to cover thousands kilometers of its territory unnoticed, which is very unlikely. Also there's no reason to think that nuking Moscow and St. Petersburg would ended the war.
Napoleon and Hitler thought that they would win that way, but its a big mistake. Russians don't give a shit about Moscow and left it to enemies multiple times. You won't win this way.

>>136848242
You had the aid of fleeing german scientists to help make that nuke. In a situation where they stayed in germany, the nuke could well have been made by germans first.

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>>136850612
That's what Hitler and the Nazis said and he later blew his brains out

>>136849544
How can you roll into us if we nuke your armies?

We shoulda nuked every fucking city east of Kiev

>>136849544
Tell me more about how Stalingrad got literally irradiated

>>136847855
Because, my dear amerigoy friend, USSR was under the same kikes that run USA.
The only problem was Stalin and they assassinated him.

We wouldn't need to nuke your cities you retarded vodka niggers, just your advancing armies.

Do you even know how tactical nukes work?

>>136850924
atomic bomb of that time had equivalent of 10kt tnt and was inefficient

germans dropped on stalingrad around 1 million bombs with equivalent of 100kt of tnt
this is without effect of artillery which was even bigger

so city had damage same as 20 atomic bombs, this damage was done precisely

>>136850924

Because by the time you get that nuke across the Atlantic you have nowhere to fly it from.

Anemic German children buttfucked burgers in the dying days of the war at battle of the bulge ffs. Stalin had to do the heavy lifting to even make DDay possible and not a slaughter

>>136851467
The damage wasn't all at once nor was there any radiation or fallout, this false equivalence

>>136851538
Remove your meme flag you LARPing retard

>>136851214

>thinks burgers had warehouses full of nukes to drop all over Europe at the push of a button.

You forgot your superman action figure flying in and punching ivans out

>>136851709
You first

>>136851587
10kt atomic bomb of that time has small radiation and fallout, also small blast radius.

it will make 25x smaller damage to wide marching army than enemy artillery

>>136851756
We would have built them at that level had the need arisen yes, we were in full war economy as well

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>>136848373
That image is both funny and enraging.

>>136851587

>he thinks radiation would stop them

Look up attack of the dead burger. Your nukes would just keep us warm

>>136848553
Commies are fags. That is my argument.

>>136851833
What are you afraid of?

>>136848242
>we had nukes, they didn't
>how do they win in that scenario?

>you nuke Moscow
>superior soviet land army zerg rushes western europé, conquering everything up to the channel.

Now what? Are you going to liberate the shit out of Paris by nuking it? Did you guys even have any nukes in Europe at that time? Did you even have any tactical nukes to use again massed enemy formations?

The soviet union would have stomped the shit out of the land forces in western europé.

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>>136847855
I blame pic related backstabbing cunt for selling out half of Europe,
and waiting far too long to step in at first place

>>136847855
Because it would involve us having to give a shit ton of ground to wear the soviets to the point where we could over power them dry of manpower and supplies. We would have won but it would have meant the death of an entire generation of men.

>>136850197

>murkan armchair generals really belive this shit

amazing

>>136848738
>implying the cultural revolution of the 60s and decolonisation would have happened with no soviet union around

Are all of you just going to completely overlook the fact that the Allies would quickly establish air superiority allowing them to buttfuck Russian supply lines. Sure soviets would be able to keep steam rolling for a little based on sheer mass but there army was a shitshow. Most men didn't have rifles the food they got was from raping and pillaging they would be fought by partisans throughout the continent further fucking supply lines. It would be a matter of time before the American war machine threat fucked them into submission from three fronts.

>>136852383
>drop nukes on zerg
>zerg is kill
Woah that was tough
The Soviets were outgunned by 1945, why are you all so afraid to admit it
>Muh numbers?
Didn't help the Japs one bit

>>136851876

>And Soviets would just be sitting on their dicks in the meanwhile because that makes burger larp comfier

You should probably look up how long it took them to counter all the shit Germans threw at them and when they got their nuke

Jesis fucking Christ. I never thought /pol/ is so bluepilled on this question.
American kikes prepared and financed boslheviks. American companies helped USSR with industrialization - sold them tech, machinery and equipment. They gave USSR supplies, weaponry in WW2.
You believe USA and USSR were enemies because of Cold War? It's a fucking joke, not a war. They controlled the World with America in one hand and USSR in other. When they decided that it's over for USSR project, they just shut it down quite easily - no need for war.

Remember how the same american army failed to defeat Korea barely five years later.

>>136852587

Unironically compares Soviets to Japs

>you spent 4 years fighting a meme Romania level country and still needed the Soviets to kill off their biggest army

>>136852771
Because Truman the cuck wouldn't let MacArthur use the bomb

>>136850197

By the end of the war pretty much any Russkie plane was better than the American counter part.

Hitler also had better tanks. Then he shat his pants when he knew that the soviets had at least 7.5x more tanks. And pretty much that was their strategy dealing with the germans. Just steamroll them and accept the needed casualties due to the inferior armour and gun range.

For fucks sake. Wrap your head around a number. That country lost 16 million soldiers and they still weren't lacking men to combat.

Russia is big. The never were afraid to put the scorched land tactics to use.

America would have needed a lot bigger and stronger army than they had at the time. And the Brits were exhausted.

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>>136852383
the main problem is that anglos cant fight on land, it is true about both UK and USA

if they face land power they suck so hard that they stay away on their ships before the end of the war.

Bismark said ones
"If the British Army landed in Europe, I'd get the Belgian police to arrest them."

just like hitler and his austrian police tried to arrest them in Dunkirk

>>136852633
Exactly what did the Americans not counter? We were equal technologically with the Germans in everything but rocket technology.

>>136852771
*china UN forces made it almost to the Chinese border before the Chinese intervened and had the Cuck American leadership allowed macarthur to use nukes, which they didn't, america would easily have won. But alas Chinese Zerg rush pushed it back to the 38th parallel.

You people have a romanticized vision of nuclear weaponry. Japan was hit by two bombs and didn't surrender until the Soviet Union declared war on them. Its cities suffered worse and the population soldiered on. What broke the camel's back is Japan realizing there was no more hope of extending the war for a better peace deal. If Operation Unthinkable were to happen, the Soviet Union would've had military advantage (outnumbering their enemies 2.5 to 1) and propaganda advantage (not being the ones backstabbing their allies and fighting alongside Nazis).

>>136847855
>Operation Unthinkable
>Why did we not go through with this? So many conflicts after WWII would never have happened.

Because Allies would have lost on continental ground in 1945.
Would have won in the long run, maybe, but it would be WW2 episode 2.

If you had really wanted something like that, you should have stopped delivery of supplies and vehicles to the SU in 1943, instead of giving them stuff up until 1945.
Allied industries enabled the whole Red Army logistical transports side, so SU industries could focus on weapons and armor production.
As a result, western armies were hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned in 1945.

>>136852977
you had inferior tanks
inferior infantry weapon
inferior artillery
inferior generals
inferior soldiers

both to germany and ussr

>>136852771
>>136852771
*china UN forces made it almost to the Chinese border before the Chinese intervened and had the Cuck American leadership allowed macarthur to use nukes, which they didn't, america would easily have won. But alas Chinese Zerg rush pushed it back to the 38th parallel.

>>136852950
There was no ruskie plane as good as the P-51 or F-4U
You're just lying at this point

>>136852583

With what? The slower, less range, slower turning planes?

Check your history muppet.

The Yaks and and the Lavochkins at the end of the war would mince any american plane there was.

>>136847855
becasue you didnt like the idea of every major city in the west getting annihilated in a global nuclear holocaust which would plunge the earth into a mad-max scenario

>>136852977

Retard, Germans started the war in a different fucking era than the Soviets and the Soviets closed the gap in a matter of months. Whatever superiority US had would be neutralized instantly. Compared to Nazi Germany US and British power projection over Europe was fucking nothing.

>>136853204
There was no Infantry weapon as good as M1 Garand at that point
>muh SVT
>muh G43
Jamomatic meme guns

>>136848677
Yeah and they would have no supplies to fuel and arm those troops without big daddy America. They barely had enough even with our help

>>136852587
>The Soviets were outgunned by 1945, why are you all so afraid to admit it
Globally? Yeah, but not in Europe at that time. The western allies had a much better navy and air force but the soviet union had a better army.

>>136853343
What fucking alternate history did you grow up with?
The P51D could fly circles around those turds you just listed

At least every burger agrees that the war would be a race to nuke all Soviet civilian cities before Soviets got within buttfucking distance of the US Army

>>136852950

You should check the Yakovlevs then. And brush up on the history.

One of those would do laps around a 51 with ease and an F4 wouldn't even be a serious match.

A Lavochkin would simple outrun/outclimb/outdive any of those.

You silly indoctrinated American.

Even the later Messerschmitts were far better than the 51. Hitler just wasn't able to put them out in the needed numbers.

>>136853479

>they were in control of the romanian oilfields, the caspian oilfields, the caucasian oilfields and a whole slew of smaller shit
>LMAO DEY HAD NO FUEL LMAO

Never mind they just equipped the largest land army in history and defeated the second largest one with plenty of effort left to spare.

>>136853479
>They barely had enough even with our help
This was in 1941 retard. By 1945 they had developed a strong industry and gathered chinks from all over russkieland to the border. They clearly had land superiority.

>>136853733
SERGEI YOU GET THE CLIP
DMITRY YOU GET THE GUN
GOOD LUCK!

>>136852950
America is also big and already had millions of troops in Europe and supply lines set up to reinforce them, and had barely been bloodied by comparison to other the other powers. The soviets were hugely overextended and depleted and had been relying on american logistics for the whole war.

>>136853708
>Even the later Messerschmitts were far better than the 51.

You can't actually believe this.
Hitler literally had to create the ME 262 because he couldn't compete with our prop fighters

>>136847855
Because it wasn't in ZOG's interest obviously.

>>136852727
This.

Looks like "Soviet education" is still better.
Americans supplied and helped USSR in the fight against the Germans.

>>136847855
Well,ask why the US supported the commies instead of Chang Kai Shek.
The answer is the same

>>136853964

Still fared better against Germans than Amerisharts with all their infinite amenities and logistics

>>136853462

lol

Get in your thick head that the soviet culture never was about refinement but much more about quantity. While you had 10 garands they would have 1000 Nagants.

>>136853241
war in europe was on the land lol

did you have flying tanks or bombers like il-2 or Junkers Ju 87

your tanks would have been pulverised by il-2 m. then your planes and pilots would escape to britain and your soldiers surrender in cauldron.

>>136853462
it was simple riffle, same as soviet or german. riffle is a trench weapon. idk whom you will shoot with it.

more important is that axis or soviet sodliers used Submachine guns a lot, granades and were hardened in combat.

>>136853615
We would have been nuking your cities and your armies at the same time you fake commie

>>136849544
>We'd have rolled you
>We'd
Turn off your meme flag Canada

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>>136854181

>>136853204
Wtf is with this inferior tank meme. On the field, the American tank out performed the German counterpart as a consequence of its light weight and enhanced mobility. The panzers were slow and often easy targets.

Speed kills

>NUHUH

Wtf was the blitz

>>136854184
Where did goalposts go off to?

Delusional commie fags in this thread remember when the soviets invaded Finland?? The T34 is about the best Russian invention of the war in that it was a decent heavy tank that they could mass produce the shit out of but they were still POS that routinely broke. On air superiority don't even try to argue the USAF would kick the shit out of the ruskies no doubt about it. Another thing the Red army was basically a damn militia it was not a well trained professional army like the US was at that point. The only advantage the red army had was the ability to sling peasant armies at the enemy and have them pick up guns from their dead comrades because they couldn't supply them with guns even with US materials. So cringey that you can try to defend "muh ussr" this isn't even an arguement without the nukes.

>>136853241

Actually I'm not.

Go check it for yourself. I used to be like you, indoctrinated by the documentaries and books. Till I somehow started reading about the subject, checking the planes, their characteristics and paying a lot more attention to that subject.

End of war soviet planes had no match. And what's even more absurd is that they started the war with Flying Squirrels.

>>136848242
Same thing can be asked of the Korean war. We could have had a reunified Korea but they fucking pussied out.

>>136847855
/pol/ is quite ignorant. In no way shape or form could the Soviets have won a drawn out war with the Allies immediately after WW2. The United States was not operating even close to it's full power. The Allies would have had complete control of the sea with the ability to strike the Soviets anywhere and would have acquired the nukes necessary to obliterate the other side first. The Soviets can overrun western Europe, it wouldn't matter in the long run.

>>136854274

>QUICK, LAUNCH ALL DA NUKES BEFORE WE HAVE TO FACE IVAN FACE TO FACE. PUT ON DA BROWN PANTS IN CASE ONE OF THEM MAKES IT HERE.

>>136853964
Do you even realize how many tanks they had at the end of the war? Stop embarrassing your kin with this nonsense

>>136852583
>Most men didn't have rifles
Lmao

>a matter of time before the American war machine threat fucked them into submission from three fronts.
I admire you for able to construct an alternate reality where the US decides to lose a few million men invading their former ally to whom they supplied large quantities of resources to in the past few years and both the american public and the american servicemen, expecting to go home, are completely fine with it.

>>136847855
The world was exhausted.
Some of the people with the brains said "this needs to happen".
Everyone else didn't have the heart to do it.

>>136854450
>arguing with commie papers
And you're wondering about goalposts?

>>136854184
this is bullshit and damage control

before the end of the war both germany and ussr progressed toward assault riffles LOL. ak was developed shortly after the war.

but soldiers in 1945 still fought with submachine guns and grenades.

10k riffleman in trench = captives LOL, this ww1 type warfare.

>>136854456

>Delusional commie fags in this thread remember when the soviets invaded Finland??

And remember how they won it anyway?

>>136854538

>The Allies would have had complete control of the sea with the ability to strike the Soviets anywhere and

With what? Landing in siberia? Trying to have another go at Stalingrad from the black sea?

They didn't do it cause the Allied would have lost. Big time.

The Soviet Union had millions of men in the red army in 1945. Tens of thousands of tanks and artillery guns and planes.

In most cases, their equipment was also far better than the Allies. They had a huge superiority in both quantity and quality.

And don't start with the nukes, if you knew anything about WWII, you would know that in 1945, the allied only had 2-3 nuclear bombs, and wouldn't have more till late 1946.

>>136854456
Commies seem to always conveniently forget about the Continuation War because it blows a huge hole in their MUH ZERG argument

>>136854404

>join war after Germany has been wiped out
>better kd ratio

Really joggin the noggin

>>136853605

>he never heard about Yak 9P's
>he never heard about the later 3's
>he never heard about the later LA9

Only thing a 51 could BARELY out turn would be the LA's, but the 51's never even grasped the speeds laters LAs could do.

Mustangs would have been crushed.

And vs the Yaks? It would have been a joke and a disgrace for the "mighty" USA.

-Dumbshits from the USA here prolly never knew that allies supplied and assisted the USSR

-Dumbshit commie wankers parading USSR's accomplishments as if they were their own, also ignoring that USSR was heavily assisted by the allies.

>>136854769
2-3 is all we need, ungrateful Dane. You're supposed to be polishing our cocks in these threads.

>>136854867

The Spitfire shits on the Yak as long as its engine's good.

>>136854799
>burgers don't realize Soviets won the winter war and make their argument for them

>>136854585
Nice to see you're admitting defeat

>>136852551
You fucking retard. Do you know who developed and okayed the Kalergi plan?
It was a half Jew who had the approval for it by the Habsburg monarch and most monarchies in Europe.
This stuff was designed before WWI even happened by OUR leaders in cooperation with some psychiatric Jews.
Do you think Communism originated in Russia as well? Man, you must be stupid

>>136854952
>USSR needed American money to keep them afloat
Golly jeez, I wonder what wouldve happened if we pulled the plug in that?

>>136854631
didn't stop the soviets from invading manchuria, once they were done with germany.

>>136854052

K-series Messers.

Faster leveled flight speeds.
Faster climbing.
Outdove any american plane.
Faster turn times.

Hitler simply did not had enough of them. And Messers were Prima Donas.

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>>136848651
>>136848677
>>136849544
>>136850702
>>136852383
So that begs the question: if the USSR forces would have overwhelmed Western forces then why didn't the USSR do it? All considered why didn't they decide to launch their own Operation Unthinkable to exploit the weakness of the Western Allied in the aftermath of WW2?

>>136855023
psychopathic .. damn autocorrect

>>136854712
Strike at strategic areas (like oil), the Soviets can never rest up their defenses anywhere when you can strike literally anywhere. Their people must have been shit fucking tired of dying anyway while the United States was not anywhere close to war exhaustion at this point. Absent some total operational disaster or deciding it just isn't worth it, the Soviets cannot win this war if it's drawn out.

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>>136854846
I like how you keep backpedaling and making poor excuses for communism's failures.

>>136848242
even if a war against started and usa used abombs the slavs would rise up after a while

>>136854988
>Finland retains independence
>lose 300,000 men against a country a fraction of your size
Commie """"""""""""victory""""""""""""

>mfw spergs comparing different aircraft with different roles

>>136854952
"heavily" is a very loaded term, the UK got more in lend lease than the USSR and seeing what a minor force they raised in comparison to the USSR it raises the question of how much did lend lease really contribute to the Soviet effort.

The most prominent example are probably trucks supplied by the US, but the US trucks were not more than 1/3 of the Soviet motor pool.

>>136854184
Soviets made over 6 million PPSH-41s alone. It was more about quality and quantity. That's the benefit of communism and the experience gathered from winning one of the most brutal wars in existence.

>>136855118

Exhausted of the war, already gained huge tracts of land to integrate as vassals and wanted to rebuild.

>>136855179

>armchair general general with kekistani flag

Yep, checks out.

>>136847855
That plan concluded that the West would not hold Europe.

>>136854973

Germans did the equivalent of nuking 2 - 3 Soviet cities a month.

I almost feel bad for how you are unable to comprehend that the USSR did as much fighting every few weeks as the US did over the course of the entire war combined.

>>136855118
Because they lost at 25 to 40 million people. They actually wanted to make Communism work.
You can't fight the whole world.

>>136855118
Because the risks were too high for both sides. Pyrrhic victory was the most likely best outcome.

>>136855246
>And with American money lining their pockets.
COMMUNISM IS A SUPERIOR WAR TIME SYSTEM

>>136855328
If you (wrongly) speculate the Soviets would win that still makes you an armchair general

>>136854444
speed doesnt kill, you have won because axis was already destroyed, and germans surrendered to usa because they were afraid to surrender to ussr.

western allies came in the end of 1944 when axis was already doomed

western allies outgunned and outnumbered axis soldiers in the end, because 90% of fores and all best divisions were in the east

western allies fought with "beer" divisions mostly.

>>136854404
fake numbers

>>136855118
Cause the Soviets weren't bloodthirsty warmongers.

>>136853980

America had 3 million men in Europe.

The combined Army figures amounted to 12 million.

Russian lost 16 million men. Military. Double that, if not triple it for the combined loss of life that country had.

They still weren't lacking men to combat.

You people don't grasp how absurdly immense that shithole is. And worse even after several megalomaniacs, generals, imperors did the same mistake time after time you people still fall for the same shit. Thinking one can simple trump over Russia.

>>136855302
>Stalin threw unarmed men at the Nazis
Its quality over quantity, comrades.

>>136855002

>IF... FF I... I say Ivan admits defeat m... maybe I don't have to face him

>>136854846
>implying russia would have won against germany without america entering the war

>>136855525
You know the canon fodder meme is just a meme right?

>>136854952
Yes because the allies supplied the most important ingredient, manpower. Of course not dumbfuck those supplies wouldn't have meant anything without the soldiers.

>>136853204
>Hurr Sherman bad tank
>Hurr Garand bad weapon
>Hurr 120mm bad artillery
>Hurr Eisenhower and Patton=dumb
>Hurr the 101st airborne=bad soldiers
American equipment was amongst the best, the Sherman was the true greatest tank in WW2, if it was so shit, why did the Soviets use them on the primary front?
>>136853405
The Soviets started with technologically superior tanks which turned into and remained cannon fodder for the rest of the war due to The Soviet leadership's incompetence.

>>136855430
No, it's just Russians who somehow are always capable to invade half of Western Europe by sheer brute force.
The same reason why no one really messes with them on a military level to this day

>>136854150

The discussion isn't if the US/UK hadn't supplied USSR. They did and the giant awoke.

The discussion is about trying to attack Russia after World War 2.

>>136855397
>a month
And we took care of Hiroshima in seconds, sweet cheeks

>>136855397
Tell me more about these radioactive Nazi bombs and artillery shells.
You're not gonna backpedal and start denying the effects of fallout right?

>>136855512
ussr army had 6 million man in 1945

your numbers are wrong

6mln of trained soldiers is enought to deal with all western armies

>>136849544
why are commies so susceptible to propaganda? i thought it was supposed to be an "intellectual" movement???

>>136853964
>le strawman
The Soviets defeated the nazis, the invasion of the soviet union was branded impossible and forgotten.

The end.

>>136855777
holy shit i lost this trips

Because the whole point of WW.II was to destroy a industrial sector that didn't require external finance. Beyond that, there was no goal.

>>136855226

>wait until the other side wins the war for you to enter the war as a formality and a pretext to hold half of Europe
>look at how good we did guys

>>136847855
every couple 100years or so some fucking stupid counrty tries to invade russia...

long story short they all loose and die in the process and russia gets out stronger every time

Russia is the lord of war on this planet like it or not its like god choose them to be so

its not like you would understand with your history of barbarism

>>136855555

Nigga you obviously don't know how fucked up the USSR was.

>>136855397

If you think 2-3 cities a month, say hello to 10 with these B-17 bombers.

>>136855246

>he thinks Soviets wanted to conquer Finland

Really bad at this history thing.

>>136855680

>Sherman was a good tank

Lol there was a show on history channel where pretty much every Sherman driver said it was a piece of shit

>>136855680
sherman was a bad tank

it was very high and square shaped (easy to hit), had weak gun and bad armor

too shitty for medium tank

>>136848242
the US only had like 1 more warhead for awhile, and could only build one every 6 months. IT wasn't carpet-bomb tier until 1960 or so.

>>136855555
You aren't Ivan or you would show your real flag, you're just a Canadian larping as Ivan

>>136848804
Give me a few good reasons why you're not incompetent, commi larper. Why does communism work best?

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>>136855871
>run a shamble of an economy and only hold out for that long because the allies literally THREW supplies at you
Communism is the very definition of failure.

>>136854444

Tell that to a Tiger which main range pretty much doubled any other tank out there.

Again, problem uncle Hitler had was numbers. He was stupid to stir up the wasp nest at the East.

If he had kept his methamphetamine addiction in check and not start a fight with the USSR europe today would have been a lot different.

>>136848553
>why was it so easy to make the poor richer when half the world was living on pennies a day?
you're an idiot

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>>136855823
Saved thanks anon

>>136855600

They did, war effectively ended at Kursk. Americans only entered to keep Soviets from reaching the Atlantic.

>>136855433

Because read the thread you fucking moron. Normady took years of planning and just barely succeeded aganist third rate germs garrisoning france and now you expect the allies to pull several of them out of the hat without any logistical support. And this is the very least you have been dreaming about. Russia breaking after they have just came back from the brink and marched in Berlin is laughable.

>>136854450
>>136854676

Here comes the damage control.

>>136848553
you realize you can't just "reject" capitalism when your whole nation revolves around it right?

>>136854867
so apparently Russians had a few month window of having superior aircraft to America in spite of every single generation of their aircraft getting eviscerated by their American counterparts? how does that work?

>>136855684
Can't invade Finland tho KEK

>>136853204
>inferior tank
le sherman was bad maymay agaist tank double its weight
>inferior infantry
every american soldier had the garand
>inferior arty
ayy lmao
>inferior general
most german general were ''lets rush supply line xddd''
>inferior soldier
american soldier had a longer training compared to the german soldier
even italy had better small arms than germany(mab38 and mod.39)
America had also better warship and better plane

>>136848677
They lost against fucking Finland.

>>136855756
A movement that seeks to lower everyone to the lowest common denominator can't really be called intelligent.

>>136856172
You moved the goalposts retard, you're the one on damage control

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>>136847855
>Why did we not go through with this?

Because it was unthinkable.

>>136855118
why would they? they were busy building socialism. west were the aggressors in all stages of the cold war.

>>136855226
>people keep posting gross numbers without context
Great

>>136855525
Stalin actually never said that

>>136855680
>The Soviets started with technologically superior tanks
Not true, the wast majority of the Soviet tank arsenal was outdated while the T-34 and KV's still being relatively new with teething issues. 90% of tanks were essentially 20's and 30's tanks mid-war tanks that could be dealt with the standard German 37mm anti-tank gun

>>136855985
Because americans are entitled. The Sherman was an excellent all round tank that could deal with almost anything the Germans had aside from a few exotic tanks.

Besides that, the Shermans were not meant to primarily deal with enemy tanks, that's what the M10, M36 and anti-tank guns were for. Most Shermans were destroyed by anti-tank guns anyway, not by enemy tanks.

>>136856067

>that tire the Soviets let us make for them because they reprioritized their production to be most effective given what the US offered to give them in exchange for sitting out the war was the real hero!

the allies were exhausted from combat.
I think the Jews also pulled some strings.
Also the plan called for the re-arming of the Wehrmacht and I'm not sure if they would take orders from the assholes that just bombed their country.

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>>136855985
>history channel
maybe you should seek out sources of information that aren't completely shit.
You know, avoid shitty sources like the pawn shop channel
https://youtu.be/bNjp_4jY8pY?t=28m6s

>>136855650
So pathetically resistant to simply admitting that Soviets did shit because of combined effort and great amount of help. Meat that got armed.

So not collectivist of you.

Are you even a commie? Or are you some ANTIFA faggot who is LARPing?

>>136855118
1 in 3 Soviets had died or some shit like that, They had already made huge gains of territory, it was time to consolidate for the first time since 1917

>>136847855
you know why

>>136847855
The globalist didnt want it. This is why Patton was killed.

>>136848651
>being this deluded
>

If the Red Army is so great why didn't they conquer Finland?
Or the rest of Europe?
Or Afghanistan?

>>136847855
>113 replies
>zero mentions of lend lease

The US supplied the Soviets with enough equipment for 60 US standard infantry division through the Persian corridor alone. 4,700 P-39 Airacobras. 17 million tonnes of supplies, compared to the 22 million that the US used in Europe. 7,000 tanks, 400,000 trucks and jeeps, fully 57% of the USSR's aviation fuel, and ordinance equal to 53% of what the Soviets made themselves. The Soviets build 92 locomotives between 1942 and 1945, and received over 1,900 from the USA.

Marshal Zhukov himself and Nikita Khrushchev both admitted that the Soviets were doomed without American Lend-Lease, why can't tankies?

>>136856246
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#Peace_of_Moscow

>>136856067
Serious land lease didn't start until after the Soviets kicked the Nazis outta Russia, even then 80% of all wehrmacht deaths were in Russia

>>136856461
the Red Army never set out to conquer Finland or Afghanistan, idiot.

>>136855650
And soldiers are literally nothing without ammo and guns and food. Go read some clausewitz

>>136855756

>Unironically says this as burgers larp operation unthinkable with unlimited nukes every other day.

Tell me more about your intelligence plz

>>136854982

Only thing the Spit could do was turn.

>slow, literally a slow plane
>could't do negative G's without choking out
>couldn't outclimb neither outdive a Yak

And the later Spits are even worse.

Spitfires are literally meme tier planes. If any Brit plane deserves a righteous recognition in WW2 it is the Hurricane.

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>>136848553
The Cloward Piven strategy is working perfectly. We haven't been a capitalist country since Johnson's great society.

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>>136856376
Also the 2000 locomotives we sent that they used to resupply their army. Also the thousands of supply trucks that let them march into Germany.
>inb4 resupplying is for capitalist bouguise scum

>>136856561
>try to take Finland
>get shit pushed in
>W-WE DIDNT WANT IT ANYWAY
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>136854973

Sorry my American friend, the only cock I polish, is the cock of truth & facts.

2 nukes were enough to defeat Japan, since they were already defeated for all practical purposes.

What would you do with 2-3 nukes against the Soviet Union?

It's an extremely inefficient weapon against large scale troop formations, it's also a waste against the dozens of enormous armaments factories the Sovietunion have beyond the Urals, so what's left... Nuking Moscow?

Except, unlike the gooks with their little wooden houses, Moscow wouldn't see 80.000 casualties. You might clear a little of downtown, and afterwards all the Russians are going to come up from their deep, bomb-proof metro and be really pissed off.

The Soviet army would be at the banks of the Rhine a few days later, Paris would fall a week after that, and 2-3 weeks post-Moscow nuke the few
Allied soldiers unlucky enough not to have gotten a quick death, will be clearing minefields at the Atlantic coast the good ol' fashioned way: Walking in a line until someone goes BOOM.

>>136856561

So they refused to conquer, and they failed to win battles. Very nice.

>>136856157
>ar effectively ended at Kursk

where russia had 4-5 times higher casualties?and they used lend-lease equipment?just shut up and say thanks to american for saving you, so you can enslave and ruin half of europe

>>136854456

Another idiot that thinks reality is a Discovery channel documentary.

For fucks sake go research about the planes characteristics.

>USAF KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THE RUSKIES

LEL

>>136855977
B-but they literally started the war and had been wanting scandanavian land for centuries

>>136856096
More like Berlin would be a heap of nuclear waste

>>136856763

>b-b-b-but casualties

By that logic the americans won at vietnam.

>>136856735
They acquired all of their pre-war goals. Just because they didn't get total victory and asked for more doesn't mean they lost. Besides, you talk like the United States never gets its shit pushed in by weaker countries on the regular.

>>136847855
We didn't have the manpower nor the necessary amount of equipment in Europe. Virtually every industrial nation in western Europe was annihilated from an industrial standpoint while the Russians had relocated and increased their industrial production.

They had a direct land bridge into western Europe, the logistics alone to get the amount of people and equipment to even halt a Soviet advance in 1945 just wasn't feasible.

While the Nukes would have decimated SU army units or even cities, the overall impact wouldn't be enough to stem the tide.

It was called "Operation Unthinkable" for a reason.

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>>136856541
>Serious land lease didn't start until after the Soviets kicked the Nazis outta Russia
Except that's wrong.
And regardless, the red army would not have been as combat effective late war if it were not for the Allies equipping them.
It was such a mistake. Look at the very responses in this thread. America never should have sent the commies anything.

>>136856199

Few month windows?

Oh wow. Guess the Migs never existed.

Let me guess, no one talks about the disgrace it was when americans and their pompous attitude with the F's got buttfucked when Migs were able to easily sling through the A/A missile window and get near the jet that didn't even had a machine gun for close air combat.

You moronic americans. "A few months". You people are so fucking brainwashed.

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>>136850197
I think this is the exact argument for why Operation Barbarossa seemed like a good idea. These are the exact conditions that led to Nazi-Germany getting buttblasted once they were deep into Russian territory.

Without a doubt, the memory of the vastly superior German Army ultimately getting crushed despite having every advantage, probably weighed heavily on the minds of planners and western leaders alike. This has really interesting Geopolitical ramifications actually. Basically, if Eastern Europe is shitty and balkanized, it's a no-mans-land for either side. The country that conquers Eastern Europe and then tries to move east or west, and has to operate logistically within the Intermarium, gets crushed. Pretty neat.

>>136856735
they didn't try to take Finland you absolute fat dullard. the goal was to take lands near Leningrad to push the Finnish border away from this city.

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>>136855506
Feeling numb...

>>136855023

Better get the tinfoil hats out.

>>136856882
They wanted to push their border away from Leningrad which they did

They never wanted to conquer and absorb all of Finland, can you imagine what integrating those faggots would be like. Plus they already basically owned Mongolia

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>>136856608
Except the Soviets had ammo, guns, and food. They produced thousands of tanks and millions of small arms. They weren't a poor unindustrialized agrarian feudal country anymore. They were one of the biggest industrial powers in the world thanks to the magic of socialism. Look at the posts above.

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>>136856784
>implying they don't
fucking off and die crypto commie

>>136855081

1945 was already too late for that. That's the scenario being discussed here.

>>136856561
The Red Army never participated in a war it lost REEEEEEE

>>136856625

The model with the Merlin 66 had great climb rate, and the Griffon Spitfires had adopted energy characteristics. The Yak can't outturn a Spitter. The Yak will lose a fight to a Spitter as soon as its energy flops. Roasted Yak.

>>136857184
I'm sure they would have stopped had they not gotten bloodied by fucking Finns lmao

>>136857064

And the commies shouldn't have made DDay possible

Both sides made mistakes

>>136857041
kys commie scum

>>136856237
both german (and some axis like finns lol ) and sovier soldeirs were trained in combat

they knew how to survive and how to kill, their weapon changed during the war. western soldiers were trained in the field, but it means nothing LOL

french and UK sldeirs were "traiend" but they RUN AWAY lol

american soldier had neither combat experience nor spirit of war (moral)

And napoleon said "The moral is to the physical as three to one",

americans were not able to get clear victory even over defeated german 2ns sort divisions (AND LOST 2X MORE PEOPLE) like in battle of bulge LOL despite total material superiority

russians would have smashed them.

>>136856160
>50 divisions
:)

>>136855118

+/-60 million combined losses
A huge country.
Huge expanses of land conquered to deal and tame.
Wanted to show communism works.
Exhausted from war.
Weren't interested in being the aggressors.

What's the doubt here?

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So this is the power of capitalist propaganda...woah

>>136857064
Seems I was wrong, however I seriously doubt the Nazis would of taken Moscow, at the same time I doubt the Soviets would've pushed all the way to Berlin without the lend lease. But even with all of this, I don't think Britain and US would've won by themselves, they needed USSR

>>136855600

Of course they would. The US didn't even enter the European theater in any meaningful capacity before 1943.

At that time, Germany had already lost the war in the East. The only thing still to be decided, was how long before the Red Army was in Berlin.

Without the US entering the war, Nazi Germany might have lasted until winter 45/46, but defeat was certain.

>>136857254
101.6 percent increase on nothing is still nothing, Ivan

>>136855179

>Begging your own people for money to keep fighting
>Not exhausted

Chose one.

>>136857400

>accepting the fact the commies had superior logistics, strategy(check out Deep Battle) and intelligence(muh maskirovka) and decisively won WW2 aganist the good guys because the american jews helping them means I'm a communist

>>136857254
it is only because ussr had smaller industrial

commiejews and trotskiist destroyed economy before ww2.

>>136857363

>let's rewrite actual history because I'm 44% nigger

Why does every burger thread eventually get to that point

If Finns kicked their ass why they gib clay?

>>136857372
The soviets couldn't have prevented D-day if they wanted to. You are delusional.

>>136857475
I don't think we should have fought the war at all. The US should have remained isolationist and let the euros kill each other.

>>136855985
The Sherman was superior in almost every way to the T-34, it had more armor, incorporated a stabilizer, had good suspension, and could be fitted to almost any role.

To add insult to injury it was also cheaper than the T-34.

>>136857254
To be fair a lot of that production was directly buoyed by American raw materials, particularly rolled steel, petroleum, and other goods.

58% of the USSR's high octane aviation fuel
33% of their motor vehicles
53% of expended ordnance (artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives)
30% of military aircraft
93% of railway equipment (locomotives, freight cars, wide gauge rails, etc.)
50–80% of rolled steel, cable, lead, and aluminium
43% of garage facilities (building materials & blueprints)
12% of tanks and SPGs
50% of TNT (1942 onward)

A lot of Soviet manpower was directly tied up in fighting, which meant they needed some helping in bringing in the resources necessary to keep those tanks pumping out of the factories.

>>136857254
>Went from being an agrarian society to being an agrarian society with a factory every 100km in just 4 years
Much impressive. 10/10, would apply to modern post industrial society.

>>136855226

And?

First you mass up their numbers, and then you think about fighting the same guy you just equipped?

You on special needs?

>>136855512
>losing an argument
>FAKE NUMBERS
The absolute state of /pol/

>>136857372
>And the commies shouldn't have made DDay possible
How would that even work?
Should have invaded Hokkaido though. There is no such thing as enough shitty frozen clay.

>>136857623
the only advantage commies had is numbers and winter.that's it.that's why they were not defeated before the US intervened

>>136847855
There's a reason we chose the path of victory that we did.

Hitler thought he could kick in a rotten structure and let it fall. We thought we could let the structure rot and fall over of its own accord. Our method worked.

They spent way too much of their resources on military and space production and research while we made consumer goods and still managed to keep a good pace with our military and space industries.

Better ask why Americans refused the Jews, and made a bed with Commies in WWII

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

so much for this shit: "“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, ..."

So many conflicts would never have happened, eh OP?

>>136857363
Finland is a meme, though they did perform relatively well. Britain and France threatened war, that's why reds stopped. Capitalist democracy pigs had no intention of fighting Hitler after all, that is until he wrecked their shit in 1940.

>>136857064
>America never should have sent the commies anything.
This. We should have sat on our hands and laughed as the Germans and Russians bled each other dry, then nuke whichever one was left standing. The US supplied the soviets with nearly their entire logistics divisions, all of their trains, and most of their heavy trucks. Without those american Gibs the Soviets can't throw every factory into tank production.

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>>136857648
Because Finland couldn't and didn't wish to sustain a war with an enemy almost 30x their size.

>>136857871

That's Communism. Damn leeches.

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>>136857680
That I agree with, it would've been a win win for me and my country at any capacity had you guys not been involved. USA was best when it was isolationist. after 1945 you guys turned in to monsters.

>>136857400
The people of your country feel differently

>>136857635
it is only because ussr had smaller industrial output in 1929 than russian empire in 1914.
commiejews and trotskiist destroyed economy before ww2.
high growth from zero

typo

>>136857620
Jews will be Jews. The United States could have taken on the Soviets alone without Allies and won eventually. Hell without the United States Hitler would have rolled over the Soviets in 1942 probably.

>>136857806

Not throw a bunch of offensives designed specifically to distract Hitler for DDay to happen.

>>136847855
>why did we not go through with this?

Because the Allies would be driven from the continent, France would be subjugated once again, and the UK would be under siege again. Amerilards need to suicide.

Why can't Americans honor the deals they made with soviets? Also why you guys want to use nukes to fight sinkers? Too big of a bitch to get your hands dirty? Afraid of 2 slavs with 1 mozin?

>>136857990
>The people of your country feel differently
They didn't feel differently in the 80's and 90's.

>>136855752

6 million in December 1945.

At the end of the war it had 11 million. After having 16 million killed.

Check your shit.

>>136852583
A lot of this isn't true but the three front thing is interesting. It is very true that the US would have undoubtedly begun fighting the Soviets in Manchuria and along the eastern Sea Board, I have no idea how that would have gone, to be frank.

>>136857705
'a lot' try the United States was sending HALF of it's industrial might to the Ruskies so they wouldn't lose, HALF

>>136858128
>at the point where the USSR was becoming increasingly liberal and collapsing

>>136857813

So you didnt check out Deep Battle. Youre a retard.

>>136857843

The entire geopolitics of the 3s was basically a crazy random HoI game with three power blocks trying to goad the other two into fighting and trying to backstab their allies. The outcome was not set in stone and Hitler almost pulled off a successful backstab on the soviets but americans wanted to weaken both sides so they supplied the reds but in the end they were too tired out to actually go for the second kill after Berling and Tokyo fell.

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>>136857871
>>136857962
That's what the eternal Burger was doing. They wanted Europe to destroy itself so they could have a push towards superpower profiting from the destruction. Meanwhile Soviets also attained superpower status, having to rebuild from the losses of one of the most destructive wars in history. Now ask yourself who the real leech is, who the real profiteer is.

>Military Industrial Complex

>>136856682
>how to take things out context with one chart

>>136857928

But they were WINNING amirite

Is this one of those "if you gib clay and the other side gets their stated pre war objective you win" Trudeauisms?

>>136857758

Actually I took the time to double check them.

Unless you want to argue that the historical numbers are fake. Wouldn't surprise since that's coming from a retarded american.

>>136858181
Indeed, you could make a strong argument the Soviets would have collapsed without outside aid during the opening years of Operation Barbarossa.

>>136852551
I'm sick of hearing this argument. Psyops things like that do NOT work unless the target population is already vulnerable to it in some way. With the West, the seeds of destruction were already present. The Marxists just helped lend it form. Ultimately, these are grand cycles of civilisations and inevitable as the laws of physics. Read Spengler, man!

>>136857235
>Figures its easy to integrate Mongolians with your Soviet Mongoloid peoples
>Y-yes we kind of started a war with Finland that we stubbed our toes on
You have to be historically illiterate if you're going to argue that the Russians had no interest in invading Finland and Scandanavia. They have always wanted more reliable access to the North Sea besides their shit ports like St. Petersburg

>>136858070
>w-why don't you fight on our terms so we can win
not how it works loser

>>136858207
Yeah, hence they didn't feel differently. I thought that was pretty clearly implied.

>>136855506
>capable of establishing dominance over eurasia that would make communism strategically invincible
>don't do it
lol stalin a cuck

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>>136857751
>war soviets
>4 months in they can no longer work on the American trucks they have due to lack of parts
No, if there was ever a time to stomp out communism for good, it was then.
What a colossal mistake. Patton was right, Eisenhower made a huge mistake withdrawing to low (west) Europe.
We should have bombed them into the stone age and prevented decades of proxy wars from ever happening.
I mean hell, you lefties say that Russia hacked our election, apparently it's still happening, and look at North Korea today. All the more reason we should have nuked the commies before that retarded ideology had a chance to leave the crib.

>>136857990
I know. WWII changed the US for the worse.
Pre-WWII US was god tier.

>>136858147
you are wrong

in may 1945 ussr had 6 mln soldier

they didnt need more because axis have surrendered and decalred war to germany lol

>>136852950
>>136850197
You are both distracted, arguing on the margins of who had better equipment is irrelevant, the story in this whole thread is the geography and mindsets of leaders and how that played into the decision making of it all. This is undoubtedly a very good question that should be asked, the BEST chance anyone had at world dominance through conquest was 1945, yet no one took the bait.

>>136858181
>HALF
Um, no. Americans gave Britains x3 of what they gave USSR so no. Math.

The USSR can have all the men and tanks it wants, by Berlin it was at the end of its supply lines and exhausted, the reason they could produce so many tanks and planes was because all their trucks and other industrial equipment was being land leased to them

>>136858015
Orchestrating Bagration with D-Day helped us as well, you know. What were the troops even supposed to do anyway? Sit on their asses in Belarus?

>>136858386
My point was only in the 80's and 90's and for very specific reasons

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On a side note, why did it take so fucking long for the US to pick up on the assault rifle concept?

>>136858261
And germany was winning in the first 3 months of Operation Barbarossa, but they couldn't sustain with the american lend-lease and soviet tank production.

>>136857871

>americans actually believe this retarded bullshit

>americans actually believe that the extremely expensive and ahrd to deliver nukes mattered when the firebombing of Tokyo and Dresden were far more destructive and the allies had 1000+ plane bomber streams to strategic bomb anything to the ground already.

>>136858242
>Now ask yourself who the real leech is, who the real profiteer is.
the Jew

>>136849544
>we

Dont fucking exist anymore, you larping faggot. I guess we'll never find out who would've won, especially now that every commie faggot on the planet could be decimated with one phone call from Trump.

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>>136857254
>Soviets
>Food
The dumb soviet mongoloids were having the same problem figuring out how to plant a seed as the Zimbabwe negroidd are right now

>>136855680

Sherman was at best a medium tank. Shit armour. Gun was meh.

The T34 wasn't any better. For fucks sake, russkies would suffocate in them with the exhaust fumes, problem uncle Stalin had tens of thousands of them.

>>136855723
What a load of nonsense. First of all, US/UK supplying USSR is part of this discussion. Same as they helping bolsheviks in the civil war, industrializing USSR and many other dealings. All while both countries claiming being enemies. And it's not just after WW2, USA didn't even recognize USSR in the first years. And anti-western propaganda was huge right from the start in USSR. But it's all lies and hypocrisy.
US/UK had no purpose attacking it. It wasn't an awoken giant, it was their crypto-colony. Same as China.

>>136858409
in front, typo

of cource more were mobilised.

>>136857871
>the US supplied the soviets with nearly their entire logistics divisions, all of their trains, and most of their heavy trucks
But that's not true...

People bring out the 1900 locomotives as an argument, and they certainly contributed, but they also completely ignoring the USSR had over 25 thousand of them in stock...

>>136856235

Those american shows do a great job at educating you...

>>136848335
What are the people in the left doing? Waiting in the bread line?(

>>136847855
Attrition.
Tens of millions more would have died and there would have been revolutions even in the USA.
You can push people to slaughter each other up to a certain oint before the moral of you population collapses and it backfires.
Everyone was hungry for peace.

>>136858242
>blames eternal burger
>ussr only survived because of the lend lease

>>136858505
American infantry favored accuracy and a slow rate of fire. It's comes from the idea that every American is a rifleman.
It's why we had the BAR, a slow rate of fire machine gun with a heavy barrel and high accuracy

>>136858505
you could argue we had something close enough with the M1 Carbine

>>136858662

>butthurt Ucrynian

Don't you have a fight to go fight?

>>136858332
>strong argument
Except lend-lease only really became big in the middle of the war, ~1943. USSR stopped nazis single-hand.

>>136855750

You mean the same radioactive Hiroshima that was being cleaned up a few weeks later?

You people have no idea how those bombs worked, now do you?

I can’t believe how easily everyone ITT let the gommies move the goalposts from the nukes so that everyone could get lost in a barrage of numbers and shitty info graphics.

>>136858817
without lend-lease you would have lost Kursk and therefore the war

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>>136858645
USSR had higher caloric consumption than Americans. Collectivized industrial agriculture stopped famines in Russia. Now go eat your burger you fat peasant.

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>>136858743
Lend Lease is just allied propaganda, it was glorious motherland that produced all those american designed Dodge supply trucks the red army was using in 1944.
Do not fall for capitalist lies.

>>136848373
Top kek!

>>136858896
That's because nukes couldn't have won the war back then.

>>136858409

No, I am not.

I checked before the first post and I double checked with cross sources before doing the second one.

May 1945 the Red Army had 11 million people.

>>136859008
present the evidence

>>136858419

Only the cucks that sat the fighting out larped that shit. Soviets just wanted to live a normal day for the first time in 4 years.

>>136858817
Germany still could have won 1943 and beyond, they just didn't. The war machine that the Germans had was just incredible, I jack off to it every day, it was their manpower that failed them.

>>136856682

FUCKING THIS

>FUCKING THIS

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>>136859008
Are you stupid? It's literally how we won the war.

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>>136858733
You mean capitalism?
>Great Depression
>Famines in India and the Congo
>inb4 that wasn't real capitalism

>>136858454
Fair enough I will take your word for it but I heard differently somewhere.

>>136855893

You're wishing too much. Americans and world history knowledge is something you can't have.

>>136858957
>collectivized industrial agriculture stopped famines in Russia
cmon now

>>136859105
Japan sustained worse damage from conventional bombings and didn't surrender. You won the war when the Soviet Union opened another front in the north.

>>136855963

You mean their western portion of the country? While they pretty much unloaded all the critical industries to the middle of bumfuck nowhere of that forsaken shithole?

The same places western allies couldn't even dream of reaching with 1945 tech?

>>136859008
In a drawn out war that the Allies were committed (it could have gone on decades) the Allies would have acquired the ability to force the other side to surrender with nuke technology BEFORE the Soviets were able to (not to mention the Soviets simply had no way to strike the Untied States for a very long time, way after the United States could start nuking them).

>>136859073
>it was their manpower that failed them.
Maybe german nation should have conquered more living place for itself to grow. Oh wait.

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Simply should have listened to Patton and kept the tanks rolling till we got to Moscow. The amount of energy/resource expenditure by the soviets compared to the US is extremely unbalanced. We only just landed our forces on the scarcely manned western front in 1944, and had the entire industry of America behind our force. We should have brought down the killing blow on Bolshevism when we had the chance. Our failure to end the Soviets led to Soviet infiltration and demoralization for literally generations.