USA can't be nuked by NK, why don't people know this?

>>136827601
>fear tactics

>>136827645

its not the NK its the Soviets and Chinesse who are the only barier holding back a invasion of USA into NK

USA is the agressor, man I hate the jewish run American shitfest

>>136827601
best korea is going to float up to california's shores in a tug boat and run into town and let one off.

>>136828044
nk is china's buffer state. you think its a coincidence kim jong fatboy is showing off his shiney missiles right when trump gets elected? the biggest thing stopping any attack is the fact nk has 60 nuclear warheads and seoul is like 40 miles from them. japan also has no nukes and is right off their coast

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>>136827601
All of this over the USS Pueblo. Why can NK just give it back and finally end this madness?

Those anti-ICBM lasers were memes created by the US during the Cold War. They were never actually developed enough to be put into use to this day.

Also, here are some stats about ICBMs:
>Boost Phase: 3-5 mins
>Typical Velocity & Altitude @ end of Boost Phase: 4000-7800 m/s @ 150-400 km
>Typical Cruise Altitude: 1200 km
>Re-entry Phase Duration: 2 min
>Impact Velocity: 1000-7000 m/s

Compare this to the fastest & highest flying jet fighter on the planet, the MiG-25 (Ye-266):
>Maximum Altitude: 37.65 km
>Maximum Velocity: ~850 m/s

No fighter jet has a hope in hell of flying as high or keeping up.
Additionally, the fastest A2A missile in the US military flies at Mach 4. This is also not fast enough.

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>>136827601
Currently theres just no way possible they could ever nuke anything in the continental US (even if it'd be fun to see LA go boom)

Issue is they could very easily lob one into SK before really anything could be done, Good chance of success if they aimed for Japan as well.

Really anything like Guam and Hawaii sitting out in the Pacific make for decent targets as too.

Issue is Kim Jong Un is braver/brazen than most crazy world leaders.
He knows full well to launch a nuke and hit something would mean NK as it currently exists would be FUCKED, problem is he knows that if anyone retaliates on NK for being a shittard China and possibly Russia will get dragged into the mess as well and as probably counting on it.

As it is, North Korea is trying its damndest to become the perfect storm to kick off WWIII

>>136829420
>>Boost Phase: 3-5 mins
That's where it gets shot down. No doubt in my mind the USA can predict an ICBMs path within seconds of it being fired. The satellites will take care of it then.

>>136827601

USA can be nuked by NK if the USA lets them. Or makes it look like NK nuked the USA.

>>136830294
There is no way that fighters could be scrambled and reach the missile in that time.
Considering the best care scenario, the missile takes 5m to reach 150 km altitude. This is still over 100km higher than the world record for a jet aircraft.
Realistically, the fighters would have 1-2 minutes to get to the missile and shoot it down. Unless the airfield was right on the NK border, there is literally no chance.

>>136830294
the main issue is that for those targets really close to NK like SK and Japan, it becomes an issue of how fast we detect their missiles being launched and how fast countermeasures can be launched against it.

South Korea especially should be sweating bullets.
>inb4 NK launches missle at SK
>SK launches all of its ICBMS to shoot it down
>5 minutes later NK shoots another.

>>136827601
lolwat.
Hitting an ICBM is like shooting a bullet with another bullet. It is the frontier of mathematics and physics currently. The idea that America can just shoot nukes out the sky is laughable.
The best anti-missile technology in the world is currently owned by Israel, and they have around a 70% success rate against shitty mudslime Hamas rockets that don't even travel 1/10th the speed of ICBMs.

>>136830883
Lasers. I made this very clear.

>>136827601
>anti-missile satellites that can fry them with lasers

lmao where did you read this shit?

>>136827601
It's all just a distraction from and a justification for the fact that the U.S. is setting up THAAD all over region.

Remember a few months ago when russia india and china were all bitching about it?

>>136831029
quiet down about the lazer before you have both Kim Jong UN and Trump shitposting about lazers in the news

>>136831029
Yes, with no actual evidence of lasers being effective, your clear point is irrelevant.

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NEW IDEA

For any North Koreans watching this thread, here might be a way you can fend off pesky anti-ICBM missiles.

Use flares on your ICBMs :^)

>>136830883
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pentagon-conduct-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-intercept-test-heels/story?id=47724129

Already done

>>136827601
Yes, it's weird how in a few weeks we've gone from "NK might be able to get a nuke off the ground" to "NK can reach most of the US with at least one nuke and might have more." At this rate, in a couple more weeks we'll be told that NK has enough nukes and range to take out dozens of US cities plus SK and Japan.

>>136831200
>1 (one) successful TEST
>hurr gaise we r saef against all Icy-Bee-Ems

>>136827601
>anti-missile satellites that can fry them with lasers,
thats not a thing OP. lasers do exist and defense satellites exist but lasers have a problem with range and satellites have a problem with limitations of how much current you can apply to anything connected to them

the problem with range is diffusion. the lens / lens array can only focus the light on a point at a set distance. the funny thing is to far or to close and it stops being effective. picture the laser light as a cone . a very long one but a cone all the same. at its apex it then returns another cone. the pointed side touching the other pointed side of the first cone. lasers dont magically avoid needing to be focused and they dont avoid atmospheric interference. satellites are in orbit outside the ozone layer and well above clouds.

the defense satellite also needs to move to hit the target unless you think there are a billion of them each focused on different points and no need to rotate at all which would be funny i think america has a total of 13 defense satellites (still in operation) and most are from before the 90s and not y2k compliant. rotating takes time and uses compressed gas. how many times have they turned over the years or had to readjust position to stay in orbit and not burn up crashing into the atmosphere or drift out into space. long term geo synchronis orbit is beyond humanity nasa admitted it

and here is where both come into play it will only be targetable after it clears the clouds and the satellite would need to be facing it almost exactly because as it gets closer it will seem to move faster. escape velocity is kinda fast

the government played catch with itself firing a missile to a known position. it failed this test just 2 years ago when it did it. people in southern cali had a view of a missile stuck in the beach for like a day thinking N korea tried to nuke them. this year america shot down the missile. first time EVER and we cant do that across thewestcoast

>>136830883
You clearly don't know how a rocket defense system works. The Icbm isn't hit with a projectile, the rocket shot up to destroy it blows up near the target, destroying both of them.

>>136830883
>The idea that America can just shoot nukes out the sky is laughable.
Keep laughing, laughing boy.

https://youtu.be/Ucr7zH_Q0YI

Honestly part of me hopes they launch, just so we can have some target practice.

Norks don't know how to miniaturize their nukes to fit in ICBMs. If they want to deploy nukes it will have to be on the ground or a bomber. Why are we even talking about shooting an ICBM down?

>>136827601
>1960's technology

More like 90's tech. Since they are building missiles with technology that Clinton gave to China in exchange for campaign contributions.

>>136831162
Just launch a shit ton of cheaper nukeless ICBMs first for Americans to waste their anti-ICBM missiles and follow them shortly with ICBMs wih nukes.

t. military pro

>>136831390
Ok, but it's a proof of concept. It can be done, so the expansion and further testing of the program will continue. The SM-3 missile has been tested over a dozen times with only one or two failures. Interception of a ballistic missile is a relatively new concept. But the US has proven it possible

>>136831159
Go on youtube. There are live demonstrations of lasers knocking out missles.

>>136831794
>Literal animated video
We're much, much closer with railguns and they're still ages off from being refined enough to implement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFEIa8X-1FA

>>136828346
>implying japan isn't a US aircraft carrier

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>>136831849
>norks don't know how the get missile off the ground
>norks don't know how to make missile fly more than 500 km
>norks can't hit usa
>norks can't atleast hit mainland usa
>norks don't know how to miniaturize their nukes

>>136832026
it is possible, yes. but it is no way bulletproof (or ICBMproof) defence as it currently stands.

nobody knows what arsenal NK has. I reckon they're spouting some absolute shit about tech that they don't currently have working to a satisfactory standard. But, I could be wrong and they may have tens of MIRV ICBMs.

>>136832071
>We're much, much closer with railguns
Agreed.

>>136827601
unless you have 100% certainty (you never will), it hardly matters, considering the consequences. you know, millions of dead people. icbm's exist to pose a credible, plausible deterrent, not to actually be used.
>>136831952
the latest russian icbm's have a number of dud reentry vehicles for this reason.

>>136828346
What would it matter if SKorea or Japan had nukes or not?

I like how dumbfuckistan believes Kim is not testing chinese tech forced by the chinese.
China makes him do it.

>>136832241
>norks don't know how to miniaturize their nukes

I know science and history is new to you Mongol, but making something like a nuclear bomb smaller is very complicated. A fucking rocket is easy by comparison.

>>136831952
Lol we can probably count NK's icbm's on two hands at this point.

Obama had that jet taken apart

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1

>The YAL-1 with a low-power laser was test-fired in flight at an airborne target in 2007.[2] A high-energy laser was used to intercept a test target in January 2010,[3] and the following month, successfully destroyed two test missiles.[4] Funding for the program was cut in 2010 and the program was canceled in December 2011.[5] It made its final flight on February 14, 2012 to Davis–Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona to be kept in storage at the "Boneyard" by the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group. It was ultimately scrapped in September 2014 after all usable parts were removed

:(

>>136832371
>not to actually be used
this all depends on the person with the finger on the button
it's not farfetched to think that an insane dictator with no care for his people would gladly press the button

>>136832457
If others could do it decades ago it's not impossibility they can do it 5 years from now.

>>136832419
t. Chinese cuck

EMP is much worse.

>>136831794
This is literally a proof of concept CGI video. Is this supposed to mean anything?

>>136832410
Maybe because people don't want Seoul to be nuked?

>>136832646
>If others could do it decades ago

Those "others" had the brilliant minds of German/American/Soviet/Jew scientists. Do you think NK attracts scientist like that? Think harder you Mongol rape baby.

>>136832053
Link?

>>136832419
What does China have to gain from supporting a retarded third world country like NK? They're only still on the treaty for appearances but if it came down to it US would just offer something that NK cant. There's a lot that the US can offer China

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>>136827601
What if the Uranium Clinton gave to Russia was then sold to the Norks?

Holy fuk.

>>136832646
my point is, north korea is working on icbm's to avoid becoming another iraq or afghanistan, not because they want to nuke the US. they don't need to be certain of being able to reach the US, just the plausible possibility will suffice as a deterrent.

>>136832931
China doesn't want a unified Korea because then they have American military bases on their doorstep...

Laser weapons you say?

This happened a short distance away from the ULA building https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHhF3QNC8o8

During their investigation SpaceX officials found something suspicious they wanted to check out, the Post said, quoting three industry officials with knowledge of the episode.

SpaceX had still images from video that seemed to show a shadow, then a white spot on the roof of a nearby building belonging to ULA, the Post said.

ULA is a joint venture between Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

So a SpaceX employee visited ULA facilities at Cape Canaveral, Florida and asked for access to the roof at one ULA building that had a close line of sight to the SpaceX launch.

The visit was cordial, not accusatory. The ULA people denied access, but notified the Air Force, which inspected the roof and found nothing connected to the blast, the Post said.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/mysterious-glow-a-new-twist-in-amos-6-rocket-blast-probe/

>>136833001
Korea small as fuck dude, Seoul and Pyongyang are essentially the same distance from Beijing

>>136833167
Ever heard of a buffer?

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>>136829420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA

Fucking christ this thread is retarded. It's speculation debated with speculation based on speculation. None of you know a fucking thing about anything and you're basically playing fantasy football. What is the point?

>>136833245
>Operational Range 40km
>Flight Ceiling 30km

>>136833359
>I'm so smart and above this retarded discussion.
Fuck off?
Are you just mad because this isn't another retarded Lauren Southern or gook racemixing thread?

>>136832839
You think North Korea is full of retards? They don't have the best scientists in the world that's for sure, but they're still smarter than you are and given enough time they're probably decent enough to get their nukes miniaturized.

>anti missle satellites

our current geopolitical situation is impossible if something like this existed

>>136827601
there basically is no anti-nuclear-ICBM system that is competent enough to guarantee the neutralization of a nuclear attack.

look into it.

America has an anti-ICBM system theyve been testing since the 90's, it has a very subpar record in ideal testing conditions

if NK launched a multi-pronged, spontaneous nuclear attack We'd maybe neutralize 2 out of 10 nukes - if we got lucky

>>136832974
Yea I know. They don't win anything by nuking other countries, but they get permanent guarantee for peace if they can hit USA or their allies hard enough so they won't attack them first.

>>136830883
Have any of the defense systems like THAAD ever been tested against multiple ICBM's fired at the same time?

>>136830676
they wouldn't use an icbm then would they for seoul?

they;d just lob a nuke in artillery or something

>>136833867
They'd probably just use a good old fashioned bomber with fighter escorts desu senpai

>>136830666
Satan is right. Maybe the rail gun could shoot it down in the boost phase but that's about it. That rail gun isn't stricktly speaking ready just yet, is it? In my mind this is all a cunning plan by China to draw in a sizeable chunk of the best US combat forces to North Korea, then backstab, nix the two carriers with the Mach missiles, stranding the better part of the USMC in NK while war erupts globally. It's what I'd do.

>>136833867
as it stands they could build a trebuchet and just old school that bitch into Seoul

0 foreskin in this thread.

>>136834003
The railguns are close to being ready afaik, however there is still the problem of velocity. SAM's can reach ~Mach 10, and therefore are quicker than railgun projectiles. They can also use splash damage to hit the missile, whereas currently railgun projectiles are solid penetrators. On the other hand, railguns have a longer range, but the trajectory calculation to land a direct hit would have to be perfect and that would be no easy task considering the boost phase timeframe.

>>136834321
You literally don't know shit and are just talking out your ass
Why the fuck do people do this?

>>136834321
the US Navy railgun is designed to fire guided projectiles... no idea if they've actually implemented the guidance yet. the power req's and barrel life are still big obstacles afaik.

>>136834321
What fucking SAM hits mach 10?

First of all... There are indeed laser missile defense systems that do exist HOWEVER, they are not super effective plus you guys need to realize that shooting down an icbm much harder than a missile as the only phase that you can realistically shoot it down in would be the re entry phase which is only 2 minutes and it goes 1000-7000 m/s. However the United states does have one of the worlds only anti ICBM systems in California and they have tested it successfully, but if North Korea launched several icbms I'm quite sure that at least one or more would hit.

Laser missile defense system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1

ICBM defense system
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-military-to-test-anti-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-system-1704479

>>136834780
So can we all agree at least that shooting down ICBMs is a big fucking ask? The TR3B as a nuke interceptor?

>>136831563
I'm aware of that, I use lasers in my work. I'm confident the Americans have tech that can alter the focus length in a smooth curve, failing that some array like what optometrists use to get hundreds of combinations able to be swapped within a second.

The way that USA postures itself tells me they have an ace up their sleeve that the world hasn't seen yet. They aren't afraid to saber rattle despite having far, far more to lose. If NK had a legitimate threat that could not be countered I don't believe for one second that USA would sit back and allow it considering the way they try fuck up any other country that slightly wrongs them whether its regime change or worse.

Threads like this just go to show why LARPing should be an instant permaban.

>>136835645
YEAH BECAUSE THEY REROUTED THE POWER COUPLING ON THE ZIOTRONIC MATRIX SO THAT THEIR SUPER MISSILES CAN EXPLODE FIVE THERMOCOUPLINGS AT A TIME.
T. Australian Navy Weapons Expert.

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If there ever is a successful Nuke or EMP attack 90% it is Deep Shit and Jews trying to kill innocent Americans and children so that they can perpetuate their LARP that they're the real government for another day. they are false flag nuke traitors

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>>136835909
even if it looks like it came from NK. surveil Deep Shit find out what they're up to

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>>136835936
need to find out what Deep Shit's capabilities are
Deep Shit are the only people who want America Nuked or EMPed. NK know they would all die in a Nuclear Holocaust

>>136832457

China or Russia sold the norks the tech, there is already a report out that they can do it.

The US needs to be nuking NK as we speak and every month it waits that is another set of hidden ICBMs pointed at HVTs.

>>136834858
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(missile)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3

>>136835756
So then faggot whats your qualifications to talk on the matter?

I might not be a US military expert, but I do work with lasers, used to work in defence and still talk to people there so I'm sure I have a far better idea than you.

Lasers can theoretically be used to do this. USA put a man on the moon almost 60 years ago, What we think is theory right now I'm confident was reality 10+ years ago at the likes of Boeings labs.

>>136830883
Yeah missile defense tech is a crapshoot at best. Probably gives us a 50% chance or less of blocking an incoming icbm. The safer option is to not rile up fucktards like Un into nuking us or to find a way to knock out their weapons first. Either way Seoul is fucked tho

>>136827601
Japan is supposed to have missile defense too, but they keep letting them fly over for fun?

Lil Kim will sure as hell not give up his nukes. He seen what happened to Khadaffi when he surrendered his WMD program.

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>>136827601
Fear mongering for their VIX calls

>outdone by 1960's technology

I don't know. 911 happened. Seemed to completely ruin this country and turned everyone into humorless faggots.

>>136833802
If something like this was KNOWN to exist

FTFY

China is posturing and having it's buffer state test US anti ICBM capabilities.

The question is whether the US will let Guam get nuked to prevent anyone from finding out they have orbital lasers.

>>136836594
I already said, USA doesn't want to play their hand until they are attacked.

>>136827601

China is stirring the pot on this one. MSM and lefties swinging pro-Nork 'cuz anti-Trump. Beijing then steps in LARPing "the voice of reason and sanity".

Also, China is probing to see how capable US anti-missile systems are. If the US shoots 'em down the Chinese learn. If the US fails to shoot 'em down the Chinese learn and Washington has egg on its face.

Don't play into Beijing's hands. Flip the script. Give nuclear warheads and mid-range missiles to Taiwan. Allow S. Korea and Japan to develop own nuclear weapons and long-range missiles.

>>136831794

Using cartoons as proof of defense capabilities.

>>136828044
has communism completely destroyed balkshits ability to think?

Apparently we have a 55% accuracy in ICBM shoot down tests. I actually thought it would be better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense#Intercept_tests

There DO exist laser-based defense systems in development, but they are meant for slow moving targets like mortars and small UASs. I've seen this guy in person. Pretty cool, but a long way from counter ICBM.

https://www.smdc.army.mil/FactSheets/HELMTT.pdf

https://youtu.be/IzNl0r7Km9E

>>136837310
>Give nuclear warheads and mid-range missiles to Taiwan. Allow S. Korea and Japan to develop own nuclear weapons and long-range missiles.
Trump already said this. It was his idea to give nukes to SK and Japan in the primaries.

>>136827601
Because America likes making money over invading other countries

>>136837666
>666
Nice try lucifer.
If JEB! was in office we'd already be fully engaged

>>136837917
If Jeb was in office, Kim Jong Un would be president by now.

>>136838107
Kim Chi and Guac for all

>>136832960
There was a guy named Marc Rich and he became a billionaire trading oil from Iran during the embargo and whole bunch of other illegal trading with the Soviets, Cuba and a whole bunch of other illegal shit. He also shipped uranium from South Africa to North Korea. He was on the FBI's most wanted list and on Bill Clinton's last day in office he pardoned him for his crimes. He then gave a shit ton of money to Hillary for her campaign.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

>>136827601

You have too much faith in the competency of the U.S. Military. As someone currently serving, that's all I will say.

>>136837657

I've been saying this for years. I also said the US should have attacked the Norks and obliterated Pyongyang during Kim Il-Sung's funeral in '94.

You don't wait around for an enemy to become an existential threat. Yet the pundits keep repeating the same old "Well, we need to understand they're not an existential threat yet" year after year and the left nods its head in agreement.

>>136838386
>Rich was born in 1934 to a Jewish family in Antwerp, Belgium

>>136827601
your post gave me AIDS.

>>136827601
As an aerospace engineer, I wouldn't put too much faith in AEGIS. Although, one would like to think it's good enough these days to stop a salvo by a relatively small and unsophisticated arsenal such as NK's.

>>136827601
yes.
and on 9/11 it was literally impossible for any plane to disappear from radar and not be intercepted by NORAD in a matter of minutes.

this is what we see everyday. those who have absolute control pretending to be fallible, sloppy and vulnerable.

>>136827601

One more post,

Let's say Kim Jong Un has 60 nukes, let's say we fail to take out half of them in the initial strike. He'll launch the remaining 30. Of those, I'd say that 5 will head towards South Korea, 2 will go to Japan, 3 will go to Europe, and the remaining 20 will be headed right for the U.S. You assume that we are so great we will easily shoot down all 20. I'm telling you, right now, that we will detect maybe 10, 10 won't get spotted by our radar in time, as a citizen, you had better hope that North Korea's missile tech is shitty, because if it isn't, and those 10 hit their intended target, the U.S. is fucked.

> Lack of real-world testing raises doubts on U.S. missile defenses

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-usa-defense-idUSKBN1AP2R3

> can only shoot down one missile

> Muh Hollywood meme lazurs

>>136838915
>3 to europe

He can't reach europe my dude.

>>136839167

You sure about that?

>>136833479
That's tech from over half a century ago.

>>136839236
yes

>>136827601
>>136838915
>>136830254
>>136831563
>>136832371
>>136832622
>>136834893
>>136835909
>>136836567
>>136837310

nobody has any missiles.

nuclear weapons are fake. all imagery related to nuclear explosion is visibly faked. TV might one day advertise nuclear war, but that won't make it true.

stop fearmongering on /pol/

>>136839602
maybe go back to /x/

>>136827601
Because we really want California to cease to exist

>>136827645
fpbp
It's called Lügenpresse for a reason.

>>136839756
or, you google "nuke lies" or head over to the cluesforum, and educate yourself.

>Town has sirens to warn us about tornados and lets us know to seek shelter
>Siren sounds and nothing severe ever happens
>Only time storms fuck up our town there is never any siren to warn.

It happens every single time. I've learned that if it looks bad, and they sound the sirens that everything will be fine. If it looks bad but there is no siren you're probably about to get fucked up.

Also the same applies to snow. When they say 6 inches or more, it's most likely some bullshit to get your ass to the grocery store. Every real snowstorm i've experienced had zero fanfare announcing it's arrival.

In other words. When we get nuked there wont be a fucking heads up. It will just happen.

>>136839602
North Korea doesn't exist it's where the CIA transports the Afghan Heroin. That's why it's dark from space - cloaked.

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The Great Leader Kim Jong-Un's strength, brilliance and steadfastness are unmatched in the world. He has already predicted the pathetic imperialist empire's schemes more than ten moves ahead. The Korean peninsula will be unified under his watch while the bully empire will bitch, moan and cry like a baby or perish in Nuclear Fire of ultimate justice. The Korean Race shall be one again and the peninsula free of American mongrel race mixers and all the filth they brought.

https://youtu.be/skJgiVejN5M

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>>136827601
>Hyperpower USA
>Star Wars weapons

KYS

>>136830294
False. There is no way to intercept missiles, it's one of the biggest defensive holes in military science. If a missile is flying, no one can stop it.

>>136827601
Considering that MURRIKA FUCK YEAH has an Ion Cannon in orbit, North Korea are going to fucking lose.

>>136843359
Not true.

Though it'll probably result in an EMP.

>>136830883
This. There is NO defence against missiles and there most likely never will be (even a superintelligence AI won't be able to do it).
There are some things that are fundamentally impossible and no amount of science, intelligence, or technology will ever make them possible.

>>136833838
If they even have ten miniaturized nukes built and attached to ten ICBMs.

>>136843488
Yes it is. Missile defense is like the biggest hole in military science, there is no way to stop missiles.

>>136844108
You could easily stop an ICBM... with a significantly faster, high altitude, long-range, guided missile.
Basically to stop an ICBM, you need an ICBM from the future.
EZ.

>>136832457
This is the biggest news of the last two days- they HAVE miniaturized nuclear warheads!
>inb4 muh sauce
It's common knowledge, you dumb fuck.

>>136844356
So... An ICBM from the US's 2017 arsenal, vs an ICBM from NK's 1960's arsenal? That's the kind of technology they have at this point when it comes to ICBMs.

>>136827601

YES, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY A HANJIN CONTAINER COULD BE SHIPPED FROM KOREA TO THE LOS ANGELES PORT WITH A FUCKING NUCLEAR DEVICE SET TO DETONATE AT ANY GIVEN TIME

NO WAY THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN

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>>136827601
The YAL-1 has been mothballed for years now. Very unlikely it will return as the personnel with expertise on it have likely moved on to different projects.

I saw it when I went on a tour of AMARG in Tucson

>>136840077
So even though there are missiles capable of delivering warheads and there being footage of nuclear explosions, nukes are fake?

>>136832974
>plausible possibility
Choose one

>>136844445
except I don't think you can guide an ICBM to hit a flying target.
but ye I guess

>>136828437
Kek
That ship ! What a trophy !

>>136844568
These guys tend to be just as bad as Flat Earthers. (I'm sure there's an overlap with them too) They never can explain the massive craters in the Nevada Desert, nor can they explain the existence of Trinitite, or Cesium-137 in the atmosphere.

>>136844735
I won't claim to know this for sure, but with the US's massive array of military satellites, both disclosed and undisclosed, I feel like it could definitely be possible to 1. Calculate a trajectory, and 2. Attach a laser guide, or a heat seeker to an ICBM.
We might not be there yet but it seems plausible to me.

>>136845088
I don't think it'd be possible to hit a missile flying towards you. It'd be like trying to shoot down a bullet, except the bullets are travelling a fuckton faster.
You could potentially catch up to it with a faster missile, but this would require the launch sites to be close, or at least pointing in the same direction.

I think we all need to agree that missile defence is plausible, and may even work currently to some extent, but realistically if ICBMs start flying there will be millions dead.

>>136845088
the best way to shoot down a missile is the first minute from launch Trump needs to park the fleet there with fighters ready to intercept it once it launches

>>136828044
Lol think what you want non country

>>136845666
fighters would need to be 2 mins from launch site to get to it before it gets above fighter altitude

>>136845666
The fuck?

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>>136841160
perfect

>>136830666
>What are anti-icbm missiles?
Jesus, no wonder you lost your empire.

>>136845866
shoot it down in the boost phase there's like a minute until it starts to accelerate quickly you jsut need to park like 3 aircraft carriers with planes on constant readiness in the air

>>136830883
Do you not know what classified means? Us testing it on the world stage was just to show the norks we could, it is old tech.

>>136846301
...If we parked 3 aircraft carriers near North Korea, that would start a goddamn war. They were already MORE than pissed when we parked the Carl Vinson near them.

>>136827601
STAR WARS
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>>136838457
Just because the basic faggots are unorganized and stupid doesn't mean the military as a whole isn't efficient. Look at the invasion of Iraq and tell me that it wasn't an example of the absolute might and efficiency of the US military.

>>136838915
>he can't hit Europe
>He can't hit the US
Being this dumb

>>136827601
Hey retard, the only way to stop an icbm is with a counter nuclear explosion when it's ascending.

>>136843359
>What is iron dome
Jesus you faggots are stupid

>>136827601
Russia has a missile that the US cannot fire down.

>>136827601
People like OP watch too many movies, I'm sure it could be stopped but the risk of such an attack is enormous which means a high price and chance of failure.

>>136832586
Did Obama want us to die?

>>136827601
It doesn't work so well.

>>136831563
>Y2k compliant
Stopped reading right there

>>136828437
This

>>136848088
It can be stopped, we did a test to prove it when Kim was getting feisty. Do you really think iron dome was just for Israeli defence against crude missiles? Do you think all of these years improving weapons we haven't worked on countermeasures for ICBMs? I mean I know civies are ignorant of this shit but come on, you guys act like we are still in the 70s which was 50 years of tech ago.

>>136835756
Rather be a LARPer than a faggot leaf like you. Fuck off.

>>136827601
>USA can't be nuked by NK
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH foolish pitiful burguer. They aren't aiming for the US.

They will use their nuclear arsenal as ramson for Seul. and Japan. If American nukes them, they use their nukes in south korea and japan.

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>>136827601
Here is the thing...
No, maybe nukes can't hit USA Land.
that's because the defense system targets them as they re-enter from the upper atmosphere.

That helps literally not at all if they decide to detonate in the atmosphere and just emp all North America.
Hundreds of thousands of people would starve from an emp like that and the military would he crippled.
They don't have to hit us, just get above us and we are fucked...

>>136828079
Lmao, never thought about that. Suicide nukes would be hella effective.

>>136837433
So at best, if NK shot 10 nukes, we would at best knock out 5, maybe 6 if we were lucky?

Jesus Christ.

>>136832960
>Uranium nuke dimensions
>missile payload

>>136847807
>What is iron dome

Not meant for ICBMs

>>136838915
>10 for the US
>forgetting at best he has 2 nukes that can even reach half of the US
Nice hypothetical, though. I give a 2/10, not enough fear mongering.

>>136840124
This

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>>136849574
They have possibly as much as 60. They may be one of the largest nuclear powers in the world now. The U.S. is done for...

>US intelligence: North Korea can now fit nuclear warheads on missiles and may have 60 bombs
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-miniaturized-nuclear-warhead-missile-2017-8

>>136850157
Please archive
https://archive.is/aBLtA

This really is the dumbest board

There is no reliable defence against ICBMs

>>136845666
Whatever you say, Satan.

>>136827601
>cargo liners with lasers
This probably isn't nearly as cool as I'm visualizing it to be.

>>136850206
kek

>>136850157
We know they have 60, this is old news. Only 2 of those 60 are able to hit the US, however.

>>136832053
Lasers I laugh heartily.
Heat resistant material for the the middle painted in high reflective mirror like finish, laser obsofuckinglete. The problem with lasers as a weapon is that it's just light and can be fucking reflected with a mirror.

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>>136850206
Every time. God speed.

Curse the eternal thaad

>>136847898
We have missiles the Russians cant fire down whats your point.

Imma tell you why NK cant nuke the USA, because there are NO nukes. Every country that says it has nukes only has potent bombs. But NO nukes, not even the US has nukes.

>>136832071
From what Ive seen in rail gun vids the projectiles are simply lumps of metal. What if the projectile could have some control of secondary effect like detonating into shrapnel at proximity to the target, instead of trying to hit it. Is the g force so great, surely you get a longer gun. If this is what they are testing in public they got 4 times that out back.

>>136827601
Currently to stop an ICBM, the launch must be detected, tracked and countermeasures launched all within 2 to 3 minutes, after that, were are at the moment out if luck.
We only, right now, have the limited possibility of stopping a missile at or very shortly after launch.
Once in space, we have a 1 to 5 percent chance at stopping the projectile.
When the warhead begins it's de-orbit, we no longer have the ability to do anything.
About 5 minutes to stop it, good luck with that.
We have had a few successful tests, but that is with equipment in place, ready to go, teams all watching, knowing that the launch is happening, all in ideal conditions, there has yet to be a test in real word scenario, a launch with no preparations, no advanced warning, no teams, equipment at perfect locations, everything working.
There have been countless failures, even with optimal scenarios.
Remember all these working parts of our military defense are the supplied from the lowest bidder, are not considered "career building" postings and are lead/manned by mandated teams built upon "diversity" of life experience.
Good luck.

Here watch this:
https://youtu.be/m6MOaECL6FM

>>136832071
BAE systems, kek.
War incorporated I swear these cunts develop everybodies weapons.

>>136833867
The NOrks already have tons of artillery emplacements point at Seoul.

>>136844546
It been completed gutted for parts now. Engines removed.

>>136829420
This faggot thinks the mig 25 is the fastest fighter jet lol

>>136856113
This, its actually the norks trump card.
If north korea is invaded its artillery on the border have orders to obliterate Seoul. It's fucking MAD.

>>136856726
It is it was designed to intercept the sr71, unlike the sr71 the foxbat carries 4 air to air missiles. The sr71 carries a camera.
Sr71 is faster and the foxbat never shot one down but it is the world's fastest fighter.

>>136830515
the usa let the japs attack pearl harbor for an excuse to get involved in ww2. the usa let the muzzies to attack the world trade center as an excuse to get involved in the middle east. the usa will let the norks attack the usa to unify the koreas.

>>136855310

i don't know why Americans can't accept the fact that they are still vulnerable to ICBM's. there is no reliable way for America to stop a ICBM. under optimal conditions the GMD has a success rate of 10/19.

is this a symptom of over confidence?

>>136857752
No it's a case of willfull ignorance if the public dont know the public feel safe

>>136832586
What the fuck was Obama's problem

>>136859658
>>"I don't know anybody at the Department of Defense, Mr. Tiahrt, who thinks that this program should, or would, ever be operationally deployed. The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now to be able to get any distance from the launch site to fire....So, right now the ABL would have to orbit inside the borders of Iran in order to be able to try and use its laser to shoot down that missile in the boost phase. And if you were to operationalize this you would be looking at 10 to 20 747s, at a billion and a half dollars apiece, and $100 million a year to operate. And there's nobody in uniform that I know who believes that this is a workable concept."

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>>136860070
>The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now
That's no obstacle, the cowards.

>>136857019

The bombardment would only last about 20 minutes before we'd have 90%+ of their capabilities taken out.

The only worry is if the commie chinks want to prop them up, still, but since SK does about $250B a year or more in trade with China, and NK receives billions of dollars per year in aid from China, it stands to reason that they wouldn't risk it again.

>>136827645
It's more like setting the narrative for a future false flag attack.

>>136855310
Almost forgot to add, the NORKS have successfully launched a missile from a submerged submarine, no small feat, so their ability to launch a nuke really has no limitations on range.
If the North Koreans follow the well used Chinese example of tethering a submarine to the underside of a cargo ship, the sub now has unlimited range and is virtually undetectable, cargo ship passes a major area the sub drops off and waits, until showtime.
The Chinese used this a couple of years ago when they launched a missile of the coast of southern California and scared the shit out of the military, who quickly claimed it was just a random Naval test.

>>136856726
Doesn't disprove his point though, its true no fighter comes even close to the speed of an ICBM

Because the average Americans doesn't want to realize that we have no real enemy except for some foreigners in a fuck shack in some sand dune. Fear keeps the war industry large

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>>136847807
>Iron dome
>ICBMs
Amerifat shows his intellect once more

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I never knew /pol/ had so many rocket scientists and nuclear physicists.

>>136862877
Not before they NK use their massive artillery to destroy a major portion of Seoul and it's 25 million are residents, less than 30 miles from the DMZ.
NK has had 60+ years to tunnel and dig, we would take a lot out, but also miss an awful lot, and the human cost to SK would be staggering.

>>136828346
no dumbass the real reason that is stopping the fighting is the hundreds of conventional artillery encampments placed to shell Seoul. Any nuclear launch would be found out and stopped

>>136843766

This is true. Missiles were created by GOD and cannot be stopped.

It's hopeless. Bow to your new missile overlord.