Why exactly do you hate him?

>>136824337
I don't, I hate who follows him without even knowing his name

>>136824337
I hate him for being a jew who pushed for his flawed political system that ended up brainwashing millions and ultimately damaged the entirety of civilization and culture.

I have a functional brain you dumbass.

>>136824337
I don't hate him, I see him as a joke. Everything I've read written by him strikes me as at best satire, and at worst schizophrenic jew ramblings. I hate the people who follow him and think any of what he said is the least bit plausible.

>>136824337
Ever since you shitskinned fucking animals have been coming to /pol/ the quality has noticeably decreased that being said you will never ever convince the anons that matter when it comes to your shit starvation ideology.

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>>136824496
1. what does it have to do with him beeing a jew?

2. how can you blame Marx for other people misimplementing his system?

>>136824519
It was a letter TO Karl Marx, wasn't it?

>>136824611
Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" is still seen as an academic foundation for analysis of capitalist system.

>>136824337
>had no friends throughout primary school because he was such a pushy faggot.
>went to study law at University of Bonn
>joined a "tavern club" and ran up a huge debt
>was kicked out of UoB for doing poorly and being drunk all the time.
>he threatened that he would become a poet.
>when he wasn't writing overly sentimental letters to his parents, he was fighting with them while at the same time begging for more money.
>continued his half-arsed study of law at the University of Berlin, then switched to Philosophy the moment his father died.
>started sucking Hegelian cock with other left-wingers
>consumed with erasing Christianity. Probably wore a fedora at some point.
>Pussed out of presenting his Doctoral Thesis at Berlin, and instead transferred to a lesser university to get his Doctorate.
>married Jenny von Westphalan, and promptly failed at all his duties as a husband.
>never held an office or any sort of regular occupation.
>they were constantly living in filth and hunger.
>at least 3 of his children died from malnutrition, and 2 others committed suicide, probably to spare themselves from the shame of being related to him.
>when a relative gave him enough money to clear his debts and start life fresh, he took the money and went touring Germany and squandered all of the money.
>always an asshole, constantly being kicked out of organisations he was trying to game.
>wrote Das Kapital while laid up in bed covered in boils and other health problems.
>died alone like the wretched, worthless pile of shit he was

You'd be fucking crazy to subscribe to the ideas of a self important, alcoholic dead-beat who never held a real job.

he was wrong about literally everything

also he was jewish (which made him wrong about literally everything)

>>136824955
>self important, alcoholic dead-beat who never held a real job.
sounds to me like a lot of people on 4chan should be able to symphatise with him

>>136824337
His writing have led to the death of 100 million innocent civilians, several wars and are currently leading to the destruction of the west.

>>136824952
hurr durr muh wealth is unevenly distributed. wow literally fucking ground breaking. Now try coming up with a better system. Oh I guess you can't bc you're a kike and all you know how to do is complain.

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>>136824983
he was right, just ahead of his time

>>136825227
No he was an internationalist Jew that would flood our nations with savage low IQ animals like you.

>>136824742
Elitist rich jews are responsible of many of the problems society has today, Marx himself included.
His system isn't "badly interpreted" but flawed on itself as it cannot possibly be implemented, it's impossible.

When commies parrot the typical "real communism has never existed " they're actually sort of right, there's some truth to their statement.

Communism hasn't been successful because it's simply impossible to actually try it, as the system itself is flawed and cannot be implemented, it's just a concept.

It has been tried, but it cannot succeed as its simply a concept impossible to implement in reality.

>>136825186
Still better than religiously following his writings.

>>136825227
>under communism you have no fucking food

missed that one, please amend ;)

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>>136825227
yeah, he was so right, that in every country that his ideas have been practiced in, they've become failed states robbing everyone of their wealth, just like he wanted

>USSR
Poor shit-hole where millions of Christians died

>Vietnam
Poor shit-hole where millions of Vietnamese died

>China
Poor shit-hole where millions of Chinese died

>Laos
Poor shit-hole where millions of Laotians died

>Korea
Poor shit-hole where millions of Koreans (and Chinese) died

>Venezuela
Poor shit-hole where millions are going to die

See a pattern here, retard? You probably don't since your feeble mind can only absorb what your college professor and the main stream media tells you.

>>136824337
imbeciles don't consider the state of the world when he wrote those things

>>136824519
What's the over-under on that guy being COINTELPRO?

>white ethno-nationalist pushing single-payer healthcare and speaking positively about Marx

>>136825215
So at the very least, we can agree that there is a problem in wealth distribution?
Besides, I don't really understand why you are so agressive towards me. I am not your opressor, I am a common person just like you, a common person trying to come up with solutions for the problems our world faces today

>>136825515
>>136825536
>two shitskinned communists
I don't need to go on a diet niggers why don't you fuck off to Jenny Craigs.

>>136824337
Because he was a communist.

>>136825621
Average calorie intake actually goes up under communism.

>>136825428
under communism, soviet union went from a backward undeveloped country to superpower in like 30 years.
Can't you admit that it was quiet and achivement?

>>136824337
most of those who hate him never read a word from his writings, they just hate him so they don't look stupid

>>136825467
Vietnam is pretty successful, they even defeated the mighty America

And China is about to become the next superpower

Sage this shit. Prob the same commie fag shitting up other threads.

>>136825724
Thats because you starved everyone before hand. NatSoc actually produced stable prosperous societies, your lot produced Eastern Europe.

>>136825724
I thought communism had never been tried?

>>136825676
Because he was a communist >jew<
Fixed.

>>136825768
>Egypt
Why don't you practice communism in your sand lands you can take all these white liberals (dude weed man lmao) and leave us the fuck alone. I'm sure Egypt will be a space fearing society while we are stuck in a stone age.

>>136824337
>why
He wuz gwine roun sayin he all dat

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>>136825849
>NatSoc actually produced stable prosperous societies

>>136825515
The guy was educated as a Zizek leftist and became an antiwar libertarian before becoming a white nationalist.

>>136825762
Yes but it did so by taking shortcuts, starving people and imprisoning millions in slave labor camps.

>>136825849
>NatSoc actually produced stable prosperous societies
Then why didn't it last longer than 12 years

>>136826041
>nigger tyrone.jpg
NatSoc had Rhodesia you have Zimbabwe now see yourself out the fucking door.

>>136825839
>China is about to become the next superpower
With the power of the mighty capitalism, lol

>>136824337
Because his stupid ideas have caused millions of deaths and crushed millions of souls.

>>136826228
because of bad harvest and administrative mismanagement. stuff like this happened in feudal societies all the time.
To pretend this is an inherent flaw of communism/socialism is intellectually dishonest

>>136825536
You are nothing like me you pathetic faggot I'd give you a helicopter ride with absolutely zero regret if I had the chance.

>>136824693
>/pol/ isn't the right's hugbox anymore
>t-t-the q-quality of p-p-post is d-decreasing

>>136826326
said the country responsible for the spread of islamic fundamentalism on top of bombing millions of people

>>136826440
it saddens to me that you would be willing to kill a fellow human beeing just because of political differences

>>136826237
Spain.
Portugal.
>North korea

Just take the redpill already. Marxist cunts you are like virgins fucking pussy for the first time, dont poke it, fuck it. Subhumans, Race traitors and Jews will destroy socialism every time you cant escape biology.

>>136826620
what? national socialism is the distinct german form of facism
dunno what other countries have to do with it

>>136826599
>BUT YOU DID BAD THINGS TOO

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>>136824337

He wants to take my private property, all my collected capital and give it to a BASED black man.

If I refuse, I'm sent to the Gulags as the filthy Kulak I am.

>>136825762
Still needed basic forms of capitalism and very limited cash injections to start it

>>136826704
Go away and think about what you just said.

>>136826237
Because the proponents of the very system he created attacked the country that prospered with NatSoc.

It's an ideology that tries to intellectualise simple greed and takes root in the minds of people who try to rationalise their envy as a form of charity.

It also (despite it's claims) takes the same "slot" in the mind as a religion would. Trying to become a part of every facet of life, explaining itself into everything and demanding it be spread like a cancer across humanity.

>>136826784
>It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a nigger. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also nigger-like.
t. Karl Marx

>>136825186
>>>136824955
>>self important, alcoholic dead-beat who never held a real job.
>sounds to me like a lot of people on 4chan should be able to symphatise with him

Judging the whole of 4chans audience by your own standards are we ! Looks like you are the useless dead beat !

Also like religion it is fiercely dogmatic and averse to change, because if you think you're perfect, why would you change?

So it fucks up over and over, projecting it's failures onto others. The ideology itself does it and this csrries on into the mouths of its disciples.

>>136826800
Marx wasn't against capitalism, he thought it was a necessary step in human development
hunter gatheres > slaver society > feudal lords > capitalism > socialism > communism

>>136824337
My grand-grandpa died in a gulag.
Europe is being destroyed because of his ideas.
The jews rule us because of his ideas.

There is no single reason for me NOT to hate him.

>>136826959
Soviet Union and Nazi Germany had a non-agressive pact until Hitler broke it

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>>136827506
If NatSoc and Marxists ever have a first principle it will be putting liberals up against the wall. After that all bets are off.

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>>136824337

Excellent observations, retarded conclusions, absurd amount of certainty in said conclusions.

Dialectical materialism is an excellent way to investigate history, but a ridiculous way to come to conclusions and write narratives.

Everything good, possible and practical he put forward can be gleaned from reading Hegel and Ricardo though.

Hierarchy is innate in all primates, some are rewarded more for contributing less, there are other factors in social status besides what you are capable of producing. When Marxist economic theory is applied, shortages pop up everywhere and people starve. You can take America and capitalist powers out of the equation and still see how Marxism would not work with pretty much any credible economic theory investigative tools.

Marx isn't concerned with prices, but rather value, but not what commodities and goods an individual values, but rather what commodities and goods the society values - this concept is simply too advanced for much for the average person to understand much less adhere to. It is also impossible to quantify properly due to the specious nature of the concept and the fact that human beings aren't theoretical objects in a dialectical argument, but individuals with ever changing needs and desires.

He wants to minimize labour while maximizing production which is an oxymoron, but thinks he can get around this with rigorous central planning (which is supposed to be democratic at the same time - lol. The average person is borderline retarded and can't even grasp Marx's ideas much less vote on an ideal way to plan production - this is also why some people are at the top while others are at the bottom).

His ideas are so lofty they amount to a religion that he and his followers want to force on people, and it is much more detrimental than Chrsitianity ever was, because it directly interferes in the material realm.

>>136827511
So where can I cash that note now?

>>136826619
>communist
>human
try again if you please

>>136827506
Stalin would have invaded Europe if Hitler wouldnt have attacked him.
Are you russian? Because I allways hear this idiotic argument from fellow russians.

>>136827511
believe me: BAD.

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>>136824337
His system is either impossible to attain, making it useless, or has failed dozens of times it was tried.

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>>136827976
besser?

>>136827921
where is the proof?

>Are you russian?
Ich bin Deutscher

>>136826619
How old are you and what do you think the commies have done to the upper and even middle class during the revolution in 1917?

>>136825839
>Vietnam is pretty successful, they even defeated the mighty America
Just like the Afghans defeated the mighty USSR
>And China is about to become the next superpower
After it adopted reforms that resulted in more open markets, and distanced itself ideologically and policy-wise from communism.
Mao's China was indeed communist, and resulted in millions of deaths, today's China isn't communist at all, and its very successful, same with Vietnam

>>136828099
Proof?
Soviet Union totaly didnt expand its influence after 1945...

>>136826599
>If you kill your enemy, they win.

Ok cuckboy

>>136824337
He was part of the creation of a political system that rejects human nature.

Communism and Marxism does not work on paper and has proven to not work in real life.

>>136824742

>misimplementing

next time it will be correctly implemented then?!... i swear you fucking retards need to die so baddly

>>136827731
Good post.

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>>136827731

Of note, Marx was the editor at a few newspapers which basically amounted to zines(though he did do foreign reporting for NYT etc.) and Engels was the son of a wealthy factory owner, and was given an obvious sinecure as part of a management team, once complaining they demanded he show up at work at 10 am, the definition of the un-fireable boss's son. This is how they formed their concepts of production management, and the idea that management was not a useful skill or talent and could be done by anyone. When the Russians abolished, murdered and exiled the aristocracy, they were left without managers, people who had the skills and talent and personality (not just domineering, but rather, personable) sand intellect required to manage people and production. In the late 20s they began to rehabilitate the aristocracy and gave them positions of state power because they gave all the management positions to the unskilled and inexperienced academics and were all fucking starving.

That is Marxism. That is communism

>>136828535
Russian aristocrats weren't managers. They were quite literally parasites, save for exceptions.
Just correcting you about that, I'm not saying Bolsheviks were good.

>>136828514
more and more jobs are gonna be made by machines in the future
If the common man is to prosper in that world, communism is needed

I dont hate Marx, he had interesting ideas on the dynamics of democracy and capitalism.

I just hate his brain-dead supporters who keep on supporting complete dictatorships just so they can call themselves "communist"

>>136828731
The common man is not to prosper. Its the greater man who should prosper.
Thats exactly the human and nature hating you fucking commies entertain.

>>136828729
>Russian aristocrats weren't managers. They were quite literally parasites, save for exceptions.
>Just correcting you about that, I'm not saying Bolsheviks were good.

The lesser nobility had experience at managing they were mayors and tax collectors and merchants - they organized people and labour and were the only ones with experience at doing this.

Russia went from feudalism to communism, not capitalism (with a middle class of non-noble managers) to communism.

Can somebody post the "communism explained by capitalists vs capitalism explained by communists" image?

>>136829045

So yeah, you haven't corrected me about anything. I've taken 3 years of communism (western history)in university and have read about a half dozen books on the subject.

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>>136828731
yeah no

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>>136829006

>>136829045
Not really. They delegated those tasks to others.
All they did was reap benefits. Again, save for exceptions.

>>136824337
Shitheaded theories that even he realised were fucked up.

>>136828731
What?
It's even less needed, bordering on obsolete.

We're not an agrarian society anymore and a post scarcity utopia is about as far removed from communism as you can get since almost nobody even works.

>>136829253
The arm witch defends the head works against its own intrest as it gets injured.
>what is hierarchy
>what is a society?

>>136829272

You're wrong. You been eating too much propaganda, or are unfamiliar with the Russian feudal system. We're talking about counts and mayors here, not kings and queens and princes.

>>136829302
if we keep our current capitalist system in a automatized world, the capitalists will simply fire workers and replace them with cheaper machines.
So the majority of the people will live in absolute poverty while a few machine owners (capitalists) will be filthy rich

>>136829554
Nope, you either didn't read about Russian society or you read propaganda.
Nobles didn't run their property directly. This was usually done by non-noble managers.

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>>136824337
>Lazy Jewish NEET that talks about labor but has never had a job
Why tf would anyone listen to him?

>>136829556

google "where to buy my own 3d printer"
and "how to register an intellectual property trademark"

Congratulations, you now can buy your own means of production for about 3000 bucks, less than a semester at a university that will teach you how to be a communist.

>>136829659

I'm not going to argue this point with you.

>>136829556
So the choice is either crony capitalism or communism?
This is the stupid false choice communism has always offered.

I'll just be replacing a board of directors with a board of central planners.

>"here anon! Come work in my...err- YOUR factory!"

Why not a system of smaller societies similar to anarchy or minichary? Where people's votes count for more and communities can even be self reliant? Choosing their own destiny?

>>136827324

He's speaking ill of the negro, sure, but his successors aren't. In a country that's quickly being filled with that low-iq filth, alongside an ever more competitive market requiring sharper intellects with every day that passes, the negro will be stuck and behind in the progression towards wealth compared to the majority that is white in my country. When this happens -- and it will -- I'll be forced to subsidize the negro in the name of equity.

>>136829796
3d printer is not a magic machine that can create everything
it is just a printer that puts layer after layer of plastic together.
How exactly is this gonna save you from beeing poor?

>>136829556
But the "people" who would live in poverty would be niggers.

>>136829891
>Why not a system of smaller societies similar to anarchy or minichary? Where people's votes count for more and communities can even be self reliant? Choosing their own destiny?
That's pretty much communism.
Communism comes from the word communes

>>136824337
i dont hate him. i dont think hes an evil person. i really think he just wanted the best for everyone.

how could he know what happens in the future?

i hate everyone who still follows his ideas.

>>136829556
Also why donz you answer to this? >>136829498

because the state taking shit that I make is just as much theft as if a boss of a company were to take it.

mutualism gang

>>136830017
Then why do you advocate for a central ruling authority that must be obeyed and commands means of production?

Since effectively having your own in your village for the near exclusive use of the village is illegal?

If that's not your view, congratulations you were actually an anarchist and the veil is lifted.

>>136829950

>How exactly is this gonna save you from beeing poor?

Come up with an idea, produce it, and sell it locally and on the internet.

>3d printer is not a magic machine that can create everything

Actually, "atomically precise manufacturing" is just around the corner, so you will be able to produces literally anything with some iteration of a 3D printer.

Also 3D printers can print houses out of concrete now and are getting cheaper every quarter.

As well, even conservatives like Charles Murray are pushing for a UBI as a holdover(and a cheap alternative to the welfare state and its bureaucracy) to keep the peasants from revolting until personal automation is fully viable. So unfortunately comrade, your revolution will not come - for the same reasons it hasn't come in the west at all yet. Capitalism is too comfy and meets most people's basic needs at the very least.

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>>136830308

Because that's the socialist state that makes sure society evolves into communism while it gradually withers away

>>136830308
This thread was about Marx, so I have kept my own political believes out of it.
But yeah, according to him, communism is pretty similar to anarchism

>>136830431
>personal automation

er

>personal automated production

>>136830435

>Evolve
You mean kill a few million people right? Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

>>136830431
>Come up with an idea, produce it, and sell it locally and on the internet.
So, the overwhelming majority of people will live in absolute poverty, with only a few individuals having great ideas that allow them to become rich.
Is this the kind of utopia you imagine?

>>136830435
Except that literally never ever happened, the state always grew larger.

Yes, it was Marx's vision, in practice it never occurred. Much like how he expected his views to take root in industrialised nations but instead it was adopted in more agrarian nations.

>>136824337
He invented the only german thing that i despise.

>>136830816
>overwhelming majority lives in poverty
That is your utopia retard.

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>>136830435
dangit anon i just woke up i didn't need this so soon

>>136830816

Nope, but I imagine the creative types will flourish and be able to start businesses much easier and thus employ more people to run and maintain printers.

Instead of giant corporations of the future, I'm thinking of small garage-based operations with one creative type and 3 or 4 people for employees. Employment will go up as the economic and social barriers to entrepreneurship are reduced and eliminated.

>>136824337
He was a social enginieer

>>136824742

>Le real communism has never been tried maymay

at least you didnt flat out say it

>>136824337
He hated gay people.

>>136830816

It is. I dislike ancaps for this reason, for they don't account for the people who will inevitably have no marketable skills whatsoever and will hit rock bottom on the social hierarchy. Who knows what happens when they hit that place in an ancap society, but the Weimar republic probably gives a good clue.

>>136831180
It has been tried, but never reached

I think abolishing capitalism is good, and I think his contributions to historiography are irreplaceable.
I do not appreciate the contemporary left's anti-white atmosphere, however, or the old left's church 'sploding tendencies.

>>136831266
>people who will inevitably have no marketable skills whatsoever and will hit rock bottom on the social hierarchy

I see no problem with this, because aside from nepotism(which blocks social advancement of the skilled) this is how it generally is.

What about the people who do have marketable skills and can't advance?

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>>136831081
Alisa is the superior waifu though.

Communism is a utopian system, in which it expects people to be selfless and honest. Which the human can never be.

>>136830435
Are you the commie cuck in the other thread talking about democratically owned restaurants?

>>136824337

>muh hidden hand

fuck that nigga

>>136831482
It can never be reached because communism goes against the most basic human instincts.

>>136831629

Also, the compassion of communism seems to be rooted in nepotism historically speaking - judging by the absurd amount of do nothing goldbricking jobs created and given to friends of powerful people during the "zero unemployment" phase, while others undergo forced labour, and slave in the fields or risk becoming seen as a "social parasite".

>>136831992
Which is the coin-minting gene?

>>136824337
Because he's a great example of the Jewish IQ meme and redefining words.

>>136831992
>It can never be reached because communism goes against the most basic human instincts

Shh. They ignore this, and all observable instances of this human biology and history. Expect a word salad or sarcastic evasion every time you bring this up.

I'm part of the working class and communism would be disastrous for me and my family. To all comunist please stop you'll only make our lives worst.

>>136832155

see

>>136832097

>>136832097
Sorry, I don't think there is a gene for the perfect soviet man.

>>136832097

Which is the I want to be dominant and powerful as fuck gene?

Because this behaviour is seen everywhere in nature.

Also bonobos and chimps trade goods and services for sex. Unfortnately chimps can't mint coins so they use food and delousing instead.

>>136824337
Because my country was ruined by his ideology.

Because all those who follow his work are hell bent on destroying prosperity and society out of sheer spite.

Because wherever communism takes root misery follows.

>>136832097

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Man_(utopian_concept)#Communist_New_Man

utopian faggot.

>>136831629

It is generally how it is, the question is -- what do we do about the people that do? I don't want my countrymen at rock bottom, but the ancap solution is not a solution, it's ignoring the problem.

Nepotism is a harder beast to tackle, as no person hiring anyone can ever be entirely objective.

>>136824337
"Hero of the working class" who hasn't worked a day in his life. His biggest accomplishment in life was marrying a rich woman and living off her family's money like a parasite.

>>136832155
>>136832251
How the fuck is capitalism "human nature"? How is it "human nature" that we just have to let rich Jews dictate the goings on of our lives?

If any system is close to human nature it's feudalism and monarchy. Primitive communist societies existed, mane. They weren't peacenik shit like some lefties pretend, but they existed.

>>136832502
>Nepotism is a harder beast to tackle

Much easier to encourage and ignore because a communist society would be largely based on social credit and how well liked a person is and what connections they have over any other metric.

>>136824337
he was an atheist commie

>>136832645
Capitalism might be flawed but at least it isn't as much as the sinking ship communism is.

>>136832414
>I want to be dominant and powerful as fuck
This is different from "I want autistic Jewish currency manipulators to import niggers and spics into my country"

>>136832645
>Primitive communist societies existed, mane.

I smell the Jewish ghost of Franz Boaz and his researchers and protoges who were caught lying, faking and mishandling data.

Communism is the perfect socioeconomic system for hive minds like bee colonies and ants, but not humans.

>>136826619
Look at your antifa comrades and how easily and quickly they resort to violence when you disagree with them. I've only seen such lack of restraint in niggers and animals.

I live in NYC now and I went out drinking with a friend. One of your guys got pissed at my trump shirt and tried to pull it off of me. I beat him up and looked him right in the eyes there was nothing but hatred in them for me. Later I found out he was a bouncer and I humiliated him by restraining him on the floor like a farm animal. I have no sympathy for anarchists or commies. They do t deserve synpsrthy or the respect afforded to normal human beings.

>>136832645

That those societies you mention are heavily based on voluntary trade of goods and services between people.

Jews are a consequence of the 80/20 rule. It's a free market thing, unfortunately.

>>136833069

Except the commie one. Those have never existed.

>>136832863

I think Jewry and its behaviour is genetic and a survival strategy. Thousands of years not being able to own land, being a minority wherever they went and maintaining a distinct idenity brought out certain traits which dominate Jewish society and ethos. Marxism is not the cure for this.

I do believe in fettering capitalism somewhat and tying currency to labour (no more units can be produced than hours worked - given by capitalists in a given year) and limitations on usury which would go far to end this and stop well short of communism.

>>136832875
No, the reality observed by colonists when they met red Indians in America. A lot of Indians didn't have currency, and some groups didn't even really have functioning hierarchies. Some had no currency but fully functioning hierarchies based in religion, but food was shared with Indians that did what they were supposed to do.

>>136833204
And look where that got them.

>>136833204

They also died of small pox because their societies weren't advanced enough to develop agriculture. They lived like wild animals and died out. Bad example.

Epicurean communism, I get behind though. If thats your thing because it is self-imposed.

>>136833069
>based on voluntary trade of goods and services between people
That's basically mutualism, mang.
>>136833187
The problem is that even without Jews, goyish capitalists import foreigners for cheap labor, too. The 19th century brought Jews like Emma Lazarus into the country to write gay little poems celebrating "the melting pot", but Yankee capitalists are the ones who flung open the gates of Ellis Island to let those kikes in in the first place.

>>136824337
His ideology ruined countless lives.
Are you saying there's a reason not to hate him?

>>136833420
>>136833374
Natives were obviously retarded sub-humans with shit cultures, but I think that humanity in its current state could do communism pretty well without having to lay around in their own feces torture each other for shits and giggles.

With automation on the way, it almost seems necessary.

>>136826527
You used to be here back in the day and then you fags left to start your dumb board on cripplechan. We barely raid your shithole so why are you obsessed with coming here? Especially after you made a big fuss about leaving a few years back? You guys just look like forgetful retards.

>>136833552

Marxism doesn't fix Jewry or make them act not Jewish or change their relationship with goyim, history teaches us this.

>>136824337
No hate, it is just that his ideas are shit. They rely on an impossible ideal of Altruism.
People are inherently selfish. We can rely on greed.

>>136833873
Communism is a classless society. How does automation make pure egalitarianism "necessary"? Just because scarcity is coming to an end doesn't mean we should hand a bunch of free shit to Tyrone the crackhead and his gangster pals.

>>136833955
No, it doesn't, but without Jews capitalism still encourages the importation of cheap labor.
>>136834110
Hence *national* "bolshevism", we deport Tyrone back to africa and live without class conflict in our own white nations.

>>136824337
I don't hate him, I think Marxism is fascinating, and I think leftists are often correct in their assessment of the facts. I think their goals are misguided, though.

Communism, for example, if it were to be successful, would give us a future where no one has to work and where you could have anything you ever wanted for free. Leftists believe this means we'll have a Byron and a Shakespeare on every block. In reality it means the whole of humanity would sit at home and jerk their lives away. Communism, in the end, is really just consumerism on steroids.

Human beings are built for, and became what they are through endless struggle. Nothing less will truly satisfy us.

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>>136834603
I'm skeptical that classes can be entirely abolished, even with post-scarcity. Most people are fucking dumb, especially when they are handed free shit

>>136825515
Why be a nationalist if you don't want your people and nation to have healthcare? "Nationalists" and "patriots" who rail against strong social services are not nationalists or patriots at all.

>>136834980
Obviously some people will still be better (smarter, more attractive, whatever) than others, but the problems with that shouldn't be exacerbated by something like capital.

>>136824337
for being a bum who constantly begged for money and made 3x the average person but still managed to waste it all and live like a crackhead. Then he wrote the most retarded ideology to come out of europe.

>>136825227
>he was right
>cant replace markets
>cant abolish proiperty
>cant figure out how to motivate workers
so right bro

>>136825227
your meme is really inductive of commie ideas, "we'll tear it all down and make it better its that simple" you realize you need a method not just a fantasy right?
"Fascism will make everyone immortal by taking over and focusing on tech to increase life spans! This is fascism"

>>136834603
Just be honest you're a Natsoc, you sound like them, you write like them. Nothing to be ashamed of.

>>136835692
Essentially, yes, but more strictly anti-war and anti-capitalist, and I think everybody should probably be subordinate to a single world government

>>136836135
>everybody should probably be subordinate to a single world government
You really put the "Naz" in NazBol huh? What's nationalist about National Bolshevism if you want your nation to cuck for a global super powerful UN at the end anyway?

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>>136824337
Pampered bourgeois Jew who abused his family, while starting a movement to destroy European culture and create a new system were Jews had total control.

Also, labor theory of value is fake as fuck. Magic the Gathering cards disprove it.

>>136831482
and why is that?

>>136836135
How can you be a nationalist and a globalist? What if the world government becomes counter-revolutionary?

>>136836338
He shot himself in the foot that one.

>>136836541
Theoretically what would a post-fascist world look like?

>>136834868
based anon

>>136836338
Essentially just strict segregation enforced between races, nations, etc. in terms of living space, and each nation encouraged to return to more traditional aesthetic tastes and things like enforced trad marriage which are kind of inherently not that left-wing.
>>136836541
>What if the world government becomes counter-revolutionary?
Well then shit is completely fucked, cob, but I don't think a lone ethno-state against the world fares much better. Why would the world government decide to fuck everything up for no reason with profit motive removed?

Bet you dont know what the hidden hand means

>>136826527
>t-t-the q-quality of p-p-post is d-decreasing
It really is, you guys aren't good at anything

>>136824337
because he's right

>>136836909
White areas would remain white by law, Jews would be neutralized and shipped to where they can't hurt anyone, unearned income would be abolished, unemployed will be drafted into the military or a public labor pool, and women would be restored to the role of homemaker and child-rearer.

>>136838001
This all sounds p. good

>>136838001
Sound good when are we starting?

>>136837257
>why would they fuck things up with profit motive removed
A better question is why wouldn't they? What's stopping them from becoming corrupt? Megalomaniacs could become even worse in a post-scarcity economy than they are now.

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Every day I wake up from a dream, a dream of principled paradise. Then I wake up and see the world....

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>durr if you have enough money for a business life is ez, just take the surplus value lol
>first world leftists take loans of $50,000-200,000$ for a sociology degree and then wagecuck at Starbucks

Why not take this money to the second/third world where it goes a long way, hire some cheap labor and become permarich. It's sooo easy, no risk involved, right?

Oh wait, let me guess, you could be a millionaire if you wanted, but your golden heart won't let you exploit others.

>>136838606
I don't know, I actually can't imagine such a thing. How might anybody like that take over? Through what apparatuses? What motive would they have to screw over one race or another?

When I imagine a post-facist world I imagine Starship trooper (The book)

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>>136824337
The ideology he created killed millions of people, simply because he FORGOT to realize that the only way it would work is if humanity had a hive-mind... which it obviously doesn't.

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>>136837878

>>136838907
What motive? Who knows, why do the Jews do half the shit they do to us when it's completely pointless and self-destructive for them?

>>136840657
I'd say it's more sustainable than communism.

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>>136824337
>Why exactly do you hate him?

Karl Marx was a Freemason, wasn't he?

>>136824337
He made good observations about the inhumane lack of regulation on labor, disinterest in worker safety and protection, and consumerism. I dislike him because of what >>136824496 said.

>>136824337

He was right about a lot of stuff regarding capitalism. Without a doubt. I have a ton of respect for Marx.

>>136824496
>Bolivia
>some butthurt son of a Nazi who doesn't realise Morales is based.

>>136824337
I don't. I hate the people who treat his works like the second coming of Christ.

He's really not even that bad these days I just hate the people that like him feminists, gays, multculturalism, muslims and cucks.

>>136824496
>dialectic materialism
>brainwashing

you can only choose one

>>136824693
>quality
>racist bigotry and demented worldview that's centuries old with overarching misanthopric sentiments

you can only choose one

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>>136825467
lol you think europe wasn't a shithole under feudalism and the industrial revolution when workers had no rights?

>>136824337
Becuase the labour wage theory is an insufficent model for the value of work. Supply and demand, artifical scarcity, location of construction and the fact that the value of something is as high as a company can get away with without giving other companies the upper hand.