Study: Married men are happier and live longer than those who are not

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I wonder who is pushing propaganda against marriage

>Social science confirms that marriage confers enormous benefits for men’s wallets, for their sex life, and for their physical and mental health. Yet too many men still believe in the ball and chain myth, viewing marriage as an expensive encumbrance on their freedom and their sex lives. These views are ubiquitous in popular culture, and this has undoubtedly had adverse consequences for men’s aspirations to marriage.

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Married men live 17 years longer than single men

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>its another episode of assravaged females trying to convince us to marry them

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>>136818288
Nobody cares about ugly /r9k/ permavirgin omega males this is about normal people who might fall for (((mgtow))) reddit propaganda

>>136817999
reverse jew:
marriage has been set up as a method of killing white productivity and identity in today's world
this is why mgtow is being shilled so hard by jews as a jew shill
fucking reverse jew
niggers
kill all jews

>>136818112
i wonder who is pushing propaganda towards the current state of marriage which enslaves white men
that's like saying "yes we should drink water so only drink jew's poisoned water for you"
they need us

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>Studies done over the past 150 years have shown that marriage is in fact good for your health. Married men tend to live 17 years longer. So prepare yourself. If you’re a single male you could possibly die 17 years earlier than a married man. Single men have a 32% higher risk of death at an early age as compared to married men.

>>136818288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ul-cZyuYq4

>muh emotions, muh happiness

You sound like liberal. R/eddit is that way

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>Approximately 82% of men who are not quite sociable have a increased risk of dying as a result of heart disease. Moreover, men who have never gotten marries are 3 times more likely to die due to some form of cardiovascular disease.

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>>136818557
>Marriage is enslavement
*tips fedora*

Why are you so bitter?

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>>136818267
"live"

TFM has made a video responding to these sorts of studies :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAnQDMeBQAc


TLDR :

Most of these studies consider divorced men and men who want to get married but are unabled to be within the category of "not married" therefore diluting the pool of men who are able to get married but choose not to.

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>>136818872
Nice try permavirgin but married men have a much lower risk of depression and mental health issues.

>Married men have a much lower risk of suffering from depression and are more likely to have a happy healthy retirement.

>implying I want to live longer

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Please post more of these this is hilarious

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Married men also have a much lower suicide rate

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>Better Sex Lives
According to the National Health and Social Life Survey, 51 percent of married men reported they were extremely satisfied with their sex lives, compared to 39 percent of cohabiting men and 36 percent of single men.

>>136819337
this is a pro mgtow graph lol

>divorced suicide rate higher than never married
>near half of all marriages end in divorce

do the math.

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In a different world, I wouldn't have a problem pursuing a life-long romantic relationship and possibly getting married, but as of right now, in our gynocentric society, it is simply a terrible economic choice:

>Duluth model exists
>False rape accusations exist
>common law marriage exists
>Man has no reproductive rights, must pay child support, possibly to a child that isn't his
>50% of marriages end in divorce
>70% of divorces are initiated by women
>Upon divorce, man typically loses half his assets
>Upon divorce, man may have to pay alimony
>Upon divorce, man typically loses custody of kids and pays child support
>Some of these liabilities cannot be discharged in bankruptcy

All this shit on top of the fact that only maybe 1% of women are marriage material (meaning that the woman you are marrying is very likely going to be shit even after vetting her for years) makes marriage a very stupid decision if you value financial security.

>>136817999
>>136818112
>>136818267
>>136818267
>>136818436
>t. single mom who got dumped by Chad and wants to leech off of someone

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>>136819808
>it is simply a terrible economic choice

Nice (((MGTOW))) propaganda

>A growing body of research, both in the United States and other developed countries, finds that married men earn between 10 and 40 percent more than otherwise comparable single men.
>Troughout their lives, men who stay married are in much better financial shape than their peers who divorced, or those who never married in the first place

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>>136819978
Found the ugly undateable bitter sexually frustrated virgin. This thread isn't about you. You are never going to have sex anyway.

Married men earn more because they have higher financial burdens and thus have to, otherwise they'd find themselves in the divorced category.

>>136820006
That 10-40% more income doesn't belong to the husband though. Actually, none of it does. The bitch controls the finances and spends most of it.

A single man earning 10-40% less gets to keep 100% of what he makes, while a married man gets to spend 0% of it on himself.

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I don't see the issue with being a loner. There is a difference between not wanting friends and not being able to get friends.

I like to do my own thing. I goto the gym, have a select friend group, get invited to parties and such but don't normally go, it's just not my thing.

I have a girlfriend that i eventually want to marry but right now we are just getting on our feet.

I'm perfectly contempt.

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>>136817999
The study if flawed. It doesn't include Divorced and Widowed men, which tend to die the earliest.

Male suicides usually are men who just get divorced, and they aren't counted as married. This should counted for married men, but it gets counted for single-men.

A lot of men who are divorced are also worked into an early grave since they have to work more hours just to pay for alimony and child support.

More:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ed89wHzzPE

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>>136820395
>>136820402

Found the ugly delusional virgins who don't understand how partnerships and building a life with someone works. You bitter incels are so out of touch with the real world. Do you spend every single day in a basement masturbating your little dicks to tranny hentai? How is it possible for an adult to have such poor perception of reality is it legit autism?

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>>136820609
>>136820402
>>136819808
Gee i wonder who's behind these posts.

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>>136820609
Thank you for your service. 1 blacked.com subscription has been deposited to your account courtesy of r/mgtow and the roosh forums

>>136820704

Partnerships are built on a common goal wherein progress towards that offsets general negative side-effects inherent in dealing with other people.

The reality is, that in the past marriage and building a family was a proposition for men that delivered a tangible return and potential improvement in lifestyle.

Today, the environment is different, there is no necessity in this intimate partnership for a good lifestyles.

In fact, the costs and risk of such a proposition have been steadily increasing up to a point that men who would have otherwise been attracted to marriage will now find it too risky to participate.

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>>136820877
It all gets to be too much sometimes. Get married have children. I don't understand why people are so against it.

Look at the 50's and even before that. People got married young and stayed married.

My grandparents are still married and luckly still alive. They've been married for over 75yrs.

I've resigned myself to be MGTOW and die alone just out of sheer self-hatred

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>sign shittiest contract with the 2 shittiest parties that exist (WOMAN/STATE)
>try to force everyone else into the hell you created with all kinds of twisted, abusive and convoluted logic


Yea... eat a dick you fucking retard.

Many of the "not married"s used to be married.

>>136818698
No surprise, when you go your own way you can live comfy and eat like a king.

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>>136820877
>>136820704
You know the study if flawed, and you'd rather lie to push a false narrative which will destroy the lives of men.

If you want to fix marriage and get rid of MGTOW all you have to do is take women's rights away.

Blaming a Symptom instead of the Cause won't solve anything. MGTOW is men reacting to the shitty situation being put on them, and it will only grow from here unless Gynocentrism is stopped.

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>>136818633
Is that pedobear under his birthday boy sign?

>>136818675
>t. masochist

House cats live longer than cats who can go outside.

Single men arn't getting more cancer they're probably rock climbing, sailing and impregnating the married guys wives.

>>136817999
They lump divorced men into the unmarried category.

So you only have the succesful marriages counting into the pro-marriage statistics. While the 50% of guys who have been divorced are fucking miserable because their ex has them by the balls.

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>>136821493
>Flag
Checks out.

>>136818436
Why would normal people fall for it if it wasn't true? After all it's only the ugly betas who can't get laid, right?

I'm certain you don't have a vested interest in this Mr. Goldberg. I'm sure your law firm represents both men and women fairly in the court.

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>>136819808
Pay close attention to how MGTOW people have actual facts and statistics and TradCons only have shaming tactics to defend their failed Cultural Marxist dystopia.

Modern Traditionalism is Right-Wing Feminism.

we had the same thread with the same pic few hours ago

>>136821266
Women then aren't the same women as now you idiot.

Holy fucking shit my sides what fucking kike put all this together

And wow all it is, is "look goyim, men who get married are usually more successful, you want to be successful don't you?"

This is retarded as shit, how the fuck can you be stupid enough to see how men who get married tend to earn lots of money and think that means getting married will mean you earn lots of money

Jesus Christ it's worse than the old anti weed ads where they say it causes depression and anxiety just because people with depression and anxiety tend to use it more

>>136818267
Not an argument you fucking dumb kike, correlation does not equal causation

These men would have been even better off had they never gotten married

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>>136817999
>Blaming the Symptom, not the Disease

>>136822033
I believe in traditionalism

But I believe that means restoring the laws to what they were when it actually encouraged people to be traditional and monogymous

All these fucking dumb cuck retards "lol bro just get married and nut in a hoe it's the only thing u can do to save the white race, never mind the feminist laws that destroyed the family"

>>136821400

Cool just don't join some cringy virginity cult on reddit in order to rationalize your sexual failure and try to convince people that you are a virgin by choice and they should join you

>>136821680
I believe it is. Well caught, Sir.

>>136817999
If your wife doesn't divorce you by time you die, she's probably a top lad(y).

Also people who die at 15 tend not to be married.

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so what are you MGTOW faggots gonna do to save the white race ?
conquer asian pucci ?

>>136821886

Why do you reddit (((mgtow))) shills lie so much? No they didn't read the study it's 4 pages long even a manchild with ADD can read it

>>136822290
Women are the same, it's just they had culture, religion, and laws restricting them from their Hypergamy.

>>136820704
You know it's true, only blue pilled normie fucktards who bang lots of women seem to be the ones naive enough to think marriage is a good idea

But they still get totally fucked over. I've seen it with my own eyes enough.

That doesn't mean I'm even close to a virgin though, you faggot

>>136822684
You fucking retarded kike, your pathetic, you can't convince hundreds of millions of white men to go cuck themselves just in hopes to save the white race

You have to undo the laws that causes the massive drop in birthrates across all western society. You have to get rid of feminism. But go ahead, just cuck yourself under our cucked legislation, you're really red pilled

>>136817999
I'm not getting married.

There is literally a financed concerted effort to get men to ignore feminism and go ahead and cuck themselves any way

Holy mother of fuck lmao you shills are pathetic, literally on the payroll of feminism and kikes

What in the everloving fuck is going on

>>136818288
/thread

>>136820133
>h-haha t-this thread wasn't about you anyway y-you v-virgin

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>>136822559
Notice I keep saying "Modern Traditionalism".

Old-school Traditionalism is wonderful as long as women don't have rights. If we had Old-school Traditionalism there wouldn't be a MGTOW movement, and most people who are MGTOW today would happily be married.

Traditionalism is toothless and completely ineffective when Feminism rules.

Modern Traditionalists haven't realized their system is fucking retarded, and doesn't work if women have rights. You're at the mercy of mentally deranged women who have been trained they are Princesses by the Media and told they are Empowered, and men are evil by the Education system/society.

Men have NO authority in today's world, and therefore Modern Traditionalism is a fucking joke.

>>136817999
There's loads of benefits to men's health by being married, in fact there's loads of benefits in other areas as well.

Men don't go their own way because of the lack of benefits of marriage, those are plentiful.

They go their own way because if the marriage falls apart they'll be ruined, and that's not a reasonable risk to balance against the benefits of marriage.

>>136819656
>near half of all marriages end in divorce
i never got this retarded statistic, the only other fucking option is death

>>136823292
"Modern traditionalist" to me just sounds like you're referring to modern people who believe in traditionalism.

But I guess there are two kinds, the absolute cucks like the ones in this thread who say no laws should change and you should just act the way people did under different legislature, or actual traditionalists like me who want to undo some feminist laws if not all, to encourage people to become traditional for an actual fucking reason

Lmao

>>136819035
That's only if you include divorced men in the same group as never married men.

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>>136817999
counterstudy:

>>136819656
>>divorced suicide rate higher than never married

11 times higher for men than women, on average, of course

>>136823559
>like me

What have you done so far?

>>136819337
Ow look. Since the divorce rate is about 50% that means that the average rate of suicide for men who marry is exactly the same as for those that don't.

>>136817999
Bad sampling. 70% of marriages fail. Women initiate divorce 90% of the time. In order to get longevity data, you have to look at an older population, most likely WWII gen. Grandma, is not like the soul sucking 3rd wave feminist slooots around today. Of course a man would die happy with a traditional feminine wife. However, those are a dying breed. I am really excited to see these stats 20-30 years from now.

>>136823706
Voiced my opinion that we need to change laws instead of ignoring them and cucking ourselves recklessly

But /pol/ never listens, probably because most of you are autistic cucks who couldn't get laid if you believed women shouldn't have rights, and you can't handle that

>>136817999
MGTOW is a cancer for the white race, that's true. But the real problem are feminism and anti-male divorce laws making marriage a suicidal choice, sometimes it literally leads to suicide.

>>136823735
Yeah mother of god in a few decades it will be awful

Older people are only sticking together because they grew up in a totally different world and don't see so much how it's changed so radically

Everyone getting married and having kids now is getting fucking cucked at fucking light speed, it's insane

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Yes it's the men that are the problem. Damn MGTOW doomed muh western civilization. If only they manned up and went back to the plantation like they're supposed to.

>>136819808
If you control for various factors, such as prior partners, education (as a proxy for intelligence), family background (i.e. not from a broken home), religion, race, and so on, the 50% divorce rate is much lower.

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it seems that increase in number of this threads is caused by large number of females nearing 30s

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>>136823559
The issue is Traditionalists who view MGTOW as the Enemy, instead of just saying "No" to Women.
Most Traditionalists are more afraid of telling their own Women "No", and would rather star wars with other men to shift the blame.

Things will never get better until men finally grow some balls and say "No" to women.

>>136824196
*star = start

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>>136824196
>would rather star wars with other men
I would star wars with other man on any occasion

>>136824196
Or we just ask them to sign that prenup and if they say no take yourself elsewhere.
Hell, if I get an Eastern European wife, she won't even understand what the prenup is until it's too late.

>>136823967
If anything it is like a Metastasized cancer. The original cells are Feminism and it's laws.

>How do (((MGTOW))) reddit shills and bitter /r9k/ permavirgins explain this?
Ok here it goes point by point:
>Money:
Married men have to make more to satisfy their wife and provide for their children. They probably also work longer hours than single men.
>Risk of divorce:
Not much to say here. It's about 40-50%. Mostly because the actual marriage rate is also down so people that might end up divorced don't marry or just cohabitate.
>Sex life
Includes divorced men, single by choice and single not by choice in the same category.
>Health
Same problem as sex life. Also only focuses on men aged 20-39. If the group was older more married men might think differently.

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>>136823292
here I fixed that for you.

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Who gives a fuck? It was an unsuccessful attempt at culling our numbers. Only the most fattest, deformed freaks with horrible social skills will never get the opportunity to have sex and reproduce. No reason to pay attention to them

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>>136824196
MGTOW isn't a philosophy, it's a strategy designed to accomplish specific goals. Once monogamy is restored to its rightful status MGTOW will no longer be needed.

>>136823396
>There's loads of benefits to men's health by being married, in fact there's loads of benefits in other areas as well.

If your lucky enough to be in one of the 50% or so of marriages that work.
If you belong to the half that doesn't work then your life will be worse than if you never married.

Its a huge gamble and an enormous risk a man has to make. When you get married today all you can do is hope you are one of the lucky ones.

>>136818288
it's not an assravaged female, it's moarpheus, the spun-up head case

>>136818112
>marriage confers enormous benefits for men’s wallets
What? Men bring home most of household income but women account for something like 70% of household spending. The only way that makes sense is if the the woman is spending the man's money. The very basis of biological reproduction is that the male provides resources for the female and marriage is pretty much the civilized display of this behavior. How is this beneficial for the man's wallet? I know that married men statistically earn more money but they also work more hours so it's hardly exclusive to marriage, single men simple choose not to spend 12 hours at work. Not to mention women overwhelmingly prefer to marry rich and/or hardworking men to begin with and divorce the ones that end up bankrupt.

>>136818267
That's because the dysfunctional men are not desirable to women. No woman dreams of marrying a homeless man, a man with debilitating disabilities or diseases, a man with mental illnesses, a man addicted to hard drugs, a man involved in violent crime, etc. Gays who have a significantly shorter life expectancy than straight men due to AIDS and stuff are of course also off the market. Basically women are not interested in the kind of men who are likely to live short lives to begin with. If you were to look at the men that are not part of those groups, basically the ones that lived to retirement age, I'd wager that the life expectancy difference would disappear and that's not even taking into account the fact that divorced men statistically life shorter lives than single men. It is true that a successful marriage has a beneficial effect on a man's life expectancy, it's just not very easy to achieve nowadays and the benefits are nowhere close to 17 years.

>>136824358
>sign a prenup

It's like you just started browsing /pol/ this week

You know nothing, you are like a baby

>>136824458
Actually no, as autistic as mgtow is it's just a symptom of the cancer that is feminism, it will disappear as soon as you get rid of the cancer

Marriages doesnt work because men were brainwashed into believing in all their heart that women are equal to men.They give chances to the women instead of just saying no as they would to a 5 year old child when they want to do something stupid,this registers as a sign of weakness in the woman,starting up the the bitch inside her with all the mind games and alike.
Just tell your woman no.Frequently.

>>136818557
RARE

>>136824513
Step 4 is race war

>>136824546
Reproducing is the easy part, just wait till the bitch takes the kids and you still have to pay for it.

The one thing that actually splits /pol/ is MGTOW. Interesting.

>>136824125
And as you control for those factors you lower the total number of suitable women, which drastically increases their value. And then add in the fact that these unicorn women data across or up, and then factor in women have a bias in their assessment of men (80% are below average attractiveness) it means you need to be in the tiny few percent of men to get a decent woman.

You cannot have a broad strategy for all men to just seek the very best of women to solve the problem of high divorce rates. It's just not how numbers work.

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>>136824735
Nah just get a really good lawyer and the feminist courts will get btfo by Shlomo
>"Look, goy, as long as you got the shekels....."

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>>136822290
>Women then aren't the same women as now you idiot.
ok anon

>>136824700
Its mind blowing these shills are using the most intellectually bankrupt items, all neatly and tightly packaged into such a well designed info graphic in the OP

This shit looks 100% the same to me as anti marijuana propaganda that was rolled out in the last decade saying it causes depression and shit just because depressed people use it

Fucking kikes want everyone on antidepressants instead because they can't patent weed

>>136824838
>just get married then spend insane amounts of money on a (((lawyer))) so that you don't get completely assfucked
Yea no.

>>136824800
That's kind of catchy, try it out loud. Step Four is Race War.

>>136817999
Give it up buddy. You're never, and I repeat NEVER, ever going to get the majority of this board to side with Women, especially after what they've been doing in recent years. A lot of /pol/ is here in the first place because of Women. I don't agree with a lot of what MGTOW says, but if you think they are the issue, you're a fool and doing the Jews work for them.

>>136824821
>splits /pol/
hardly a split
some guys chase pussy
some stay bachelors until they meet special someone
some embrace waifuism
ALL HATE KIKES

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>>136824358
Pre-nups don't work. They are thrown out whenever the judge feels like it.

Don't believe that crap. The Family Courts are a separate form of law based on Feminist ideology (Google "Duluth Model",) and are stocked with Women's Studies majors.

Read the book "The Feminist Lie" for more information on this subject.

Gynocentrism always trumps men's rights.

>>136824864
ugh...they all look like men...Disgusting!
>>136824951
One time Jew fee > Lifetime alimony or child support payments
Of course, no one expects you to have any money, Ivan.

>>136824838
Or how about I just don't sign all my shit away on a piece of paper just to make some bitch happy that I'm her cuck slave?

Sounds real hard

>>136824821
Not true, start a thread on iran being redpilled, capitalism being Jewish, or traps being gay and see what happens.

>>136825041
Or you could you know avoid paying any of that.

>>136817999 (OP)

I ammgtow. We do go out, we do go to bars, have dinner with friends, do physical activity. In fact, we do it in style.
I don't LARP, I don't watch anime or read comics. I do play some online games on my PC, with my wife's son (I divorced her and took custody of him).

I am nearly 50 and me wife's son is in late 20's, former basketball player now house servan, and my life partner. Financially secure, I own a maserati among 3 other cars. Multiple vacationa a year, dozens of concerts including meeting the talent.

I can have tats, wear shorts to the office (which I usually work at home save a day or two I go in for meetings).


I can speak freely and curse/swear in meetings. I get all kinds of silly perks like office going to
new movie releases or an entire day the whole office goes to volunteer at a food bank. We have a cyclist club for people that cycle
into work or do competitive practice at lunch. I don't have set hours. Food regularly paid for, at minimum on wed and Firday. Mandatory 2 trips a year to go to conventions and training (Usually LA/LAs Vegas/New York) - and I get to pick
which ones I personally want - all expenses paid (bring wife's son along). No I'm not a neckbeard and I am not the exception either. When I was single I was never without a date when I wanted.

>>136824935
>items

*arguments

Idk wtf happened there

>>136825041
And Ivan isn't even a popular name here.

>>136817999
>https://ifstudies.org

How strange that a study from an organisation promoting marriage says it's good for you.

Are you that fat 35 year old New Zealand spinster that always posts this shit?
Just buy half a dozen cats already.

>>136824617
Yeah, I acknowledged that in the same post. Divorce ruins men, there's an imbalance of power in the relationship, the government hands women a loaded gun and lets them indiscriminately wave it around, and the odds of it going off in your face are unfortunately fairly high.

If she wants to rape you financially, take your home, take your kids, smear your name, and take all your assets as well as future earnings, she can, with almost nothing to stop her.

So yeah, that's why I'm a MGTOW, the only way I'd ever consider marriage is if the government got out of marriage. If they dissolved family courts, if they repealed no fault divorce, if they automatically gave the kids and home to the partner who wants to make it work and the person who is walking out to "trade up" gets nothing. No alimony.

That'll never happen though, so MGTOW it is.

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>>136825100
you are faggot, your way is anus, not really your own way because shit passes there
begone

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>>136824800

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>>136825041
>ugh...they all look like men...Disgusting!
ya, i dont know if its new kinds of makeup or race mixing(sorry pol) but women look a lot better nowadays.even with all the fatties

>>136825017
Waifushit is incomprehensibly psychotic to me but that doesn't mean I'm running around groveling in women's asses saying they deserve the right to vote and trying to marry them

>>136825213
Damn, it's that easy!?

>>136825097
Perhaps, but perhaps not as well.
You're still gonna get fucked if you want to procreate, that's what the prenup is for, and you'll be doubly fucked if you don't procreate, cucked by shlomo.
If MGTOW is to be taken seriously it needs to openly promote it's masculine and handsome leaders to disavow each and every specific marriage law that fucks men over.

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>>136825248
>this blog post about anons feefees
ok, good for you I guess
pic related official /pol/ guidepost on getting married

>>136825100

>I am nearly 50 and me wife's son is in late 20's
I give it a 6/10, because of the effort making it look like a real post. Have a (You)

isn't MGTOW essentially the neckbeard equivalent of "I'm a strong independent black woman who don't need no man" ?

>>136818267
How long do divorced men live?

>>136825138
What organization would promote marriage, what the fuck do they have to gain from it?

(((Who))) is funding them?

>>136817999
MGTOW = social engineering / mind control

>>136825277
No.You are here forever.There is no escape.

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>>136824358
Watch these if you still believe Pre-Nups are legally binding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q504LcDsPk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvLn3wenWUM

>>136825323
Prenups are a complete meme. See >>136825019. If all you want is to procreate just go donate sperm in a SE Asian country. Bitches be crazy about dat white boi seed there. If you actually want to raise your children get a surrogate.
>If MGTOW is to be taken seriously it needs to openly promote it's masculine and handsome leaders to disavow each and every specific marriage law that fucks men over.
That's not what MGTOW is about though. MRAs are the ones that do the activism. If you want that go listen to them.

>>136825222
No they don't

Feminism has literally caused women to stop shaving their legs, arm pits, even start "freebleeding" a little, and encourages them to just not try in general, not wearing makeup so much, not working out, not eating right

The only thing that changed is we have tons more xenoestrogens and growth hormones in our food and lifestyle in general influencing us all to be more feminine

>>136825331
I don't get it, my post was a blog post, and not that massive anecdotal shitpost you expect me to read?

>>136824196
>would rather star wars with other men to shift the blame.
Is it possible to learn this power?

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>>136825405
Sorry Attila. I'll stay here for now then.

>>136825841
Not from a tradcuck.

>>136825418
Bribe the judge, bribe Shlomo into having a secular chat with the judge behind doors, guaranteeing them getting more money in order to fuck over the dumb shiksa.

>>136825375
Sure except women who say that actually need men the most, they're always receiving social benefits and taking a milllion dicks since they don't need a guy to provide for them, so they date tons of guys just for fun

While mgtow are generally dudes who provide for themselves or are NEETs who live off their parents and don't give a fuck if they get laid or not

We're a symptom of the disease you retarded cucks refuse to acknowledge

>>136825908
>just bribe everyone
Are you 12? That's not how the world works and most people don't have enough money to bribe judges.

>>136825722

A lot of women I see on the internet and in public are still in amazing shape.They deserve credit for that.

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>>136825722
>No they don't
prove it. find the best looking women pics from a hundred years ago. they look like 2/10 uggos compared to women now

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Prenups are not worth shit.
You're a cuck if you think they work.

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>>136818872
Epic
I hate life too. Wanna suicide together?

Mc Kill yourself, you faggot. Nobody cares about how desilueioned you are at life.

Pic related is me, happy of being alive

>>136820600
Yup. Cucked grandpa. Sad. Coalburner daughter foists grandbabie off on pops so she can go out and party. I see it every day.

>>136826024
The average woman of today is unironically heavier than an average male in the 60s.

>>136826003
>secular
If you have something worth taking then wouldn't you rather empty your pockets for the judge and lawyer than your(presumably) whore of an ex-wife?
Contracts are legally binding and can have more power the more you know about the legal system. Essentially, with enough investment you can make sure you won't be fucked.

>>136825982
>"We're a symptom of the disease YOU retarded cucks refuse to acknowledge"
Always someone else's fault. Never take responsibility. Be in complete denial.

Sounds like the way a woman thinks

i will never understand US law
If you sign a separation of possession before marriage all is good, they cant take anything
There is no "i want this, i deserve that, i am acostumed to that"

>>136817999
MGTOW is the "feminism for men", just as feminism is demonizing men to encourage white women not to have children, MGTOW is about encouraging white men not to have children.

In the end MGTOW preaches the same basic things that feminism does, the other sex is inherently evil and marriage is slavery one needs to escape from.

>>136826052
wtf i wanna fuck wojill now

>>136817999
This should be seen not only in the mgtow/r9k side, but also that men with a stable marriage, who don't have sex with random people but stay faithful to one woman, are statistically proven to be happier and healthier.

Take this, muh sexual "freedom" shills.

>>136825895
There is no place to run,you might as well become comfy here.

>>136826198
That's a retarded strategy. It's basically "just throw your money away on X instead of Y". I would rather not throw my money away thanks.

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>>136826052
I saw Audrey Hepburn in a wax museum once and it blew my fucking mind

I'm not even a fucking virgin but I seriously wanted to kidnap that wax statue, she was so fucking small, frail, and perfect

Then Miley Cyrus was in the next room

Also small and frail, but disgusting as fuck

>>136817999
tfw no grill to marry

>>136826445
You're actually saving more money by paying off crooked judges instead of getting fucked by them.

>>136819035
Me on the right

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>>136825331
its hard being alpha, assertive and saying no and checking your partner and calling the shots when its important when she earns double your salarie...

>>136826339
Yeah they're both toxic and damaging to our society. It's such a shame they're so popular even among normies nowadays.

The worst part is that they're against marriage but both feminists and MGTOW have no problems in being disgustingly promiscuous and fucking whatever they can. Seriously, the most perverted people I knew were either feminists or mgtow.

>>136826336
In many states in the US, and in Canada, simply living with a woman for 1-2 years makes her "common law married" to you and she's entitled to alimony if you breakup or want to kick her out

You cucks are clueless

>>136826339
You have never read or listened to anything produced by a MGTOW have you? The majority of MGTOW content producers (especially ones that have been discussing MGTOW for longer than a year or 2) don't blame women. They blame the laws and the family courts.

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>>136826424
If I'm going to be here for a while, can I use your bow and arrow to shoot at our (((enemy)))?

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>>136826282
You fucking white knight faggot, what you pussy chasers don't realize is that the majority of MGTOW aren't virgins. We were wage cucks who busted ass for a woman who took everything. The truth is it was someone else's fault, we weren't the ones who handed bitches jobs, no-fault divorce laws, voting, tinder, and hook-up culture. No civilization in history has been able to survive feminization.

>>136826518
And I'm saving even more my not putting myself in a situation where I could get fucked by a judge.

>>136826612
People who get married nowadays are overwhelmingly the most promiscuous blue pilled fuckedtards I have ever seen

>>136826453
If I had a time machine I'd go back strictly to snatch Audrey Hepburn.

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>(((Studies))) show married men are happier and live longer.

There is NO WAY this is true. What planet are you on?

(((They))) created womens culture and 3rd wave feminism and (((they))) need men to marry them. Marrying women is basically marrying the state at this point.

Those studies were created by (((experts)))

>>136817999
Meeting my wife was unironically the best thing that ever happened to me. Hearing the first time my oldest son said 'I love you, dad' was a feeling that nothing else compared to.

Reminder, if you hate white women you hate the white race.

>>136824700
It's classic intentional sample bias to inflate the beneficial stats. You can't look at currently married men. You need to look at men who've ever gotten married.

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>>136826671
Here,have a go with it

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>>136826715

Op is a Jewish divorce attorney.

>>136826783
It's true. As long as you make a category containing all of the divorced man, confirmed bachelors and TFLers and compare it to married men.

I don't know which side is angrier at MGTOW: tradcons or feminists.

When both of them are shrieking at you, you know you've discovered the truth.

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>>136826339
MGTOW doesn't promote men not having children. It's about starving Feminism.

There is a constant talk of surrogacy, the artificial womb, robot waifus (future technologies.)

Once these new technologies come online the White birthrate problem most likely will be a thing of the past.

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The leading cause of divorce is marriage. So he'll no, not in this society.

>>136826783
It's because a study of married men doesn't account for all of the dead or miserable divorced hushands. It's a meaningless statistic because people are so ready to divorce now. In the past it would have been more indicative because there was more pressure to stay in an unhappy marriage.

>>136826797
I don't hate women just as I don't hate dogs

But that doesn't necessarily mean I want to have to deal with either of them right now

>>136826651
To be perfectly honest I have not been religiously following the MGTOW movement, but to my understanding the people who:
>blame the laws and the family courts
are the MRA, the people who wan't to change society to make it more equal for men.

Of course there might be a significant overlap between MRAs and MGTOWs, but being a "men going his own way" has some pretty clear implications.

>>136826955
>tfw the artificial womb is decades if not centuries away
Why even live?

>>136824864
>flapper
1920s punk rocker. Yeah, don't marry one of those either.

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>>136820609
>Male suicides usually are men who just get divorced
>This should counted for married men
>men who are divorced
>should be counted as married
Holy shit, are all these MGTOW faggots this autistic? Christ, stop pretending it's your "choice" that you're single, you people are dumber than fucking rocks and wouldn't know how to talk normally enough to attract a mate anyway kek

>statistics
>polls
fuck off kike

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>>136826836
Cheers. Here, hold my spear while I fire off a few shots.

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>>136826052
no you don't

>>136826612
The difference is MGTOW is reactionary and doesn't have the weight of the courts and popular opinion behind it. We didn't make this choice, it's the best of a slew of shitty options.

>>136826797
I dream of having a life like that. I've been a hopeless romantic since I was a kid. Every relationship ends in misery. My love goes unrequited. Always. I want children, but I'm 30 and am giving up hope on it all. Prolly will end up an old miserable drunk that'll blow his brains out.

Yay, love is so beautiful.

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>>136817999
>Married men are happier

>>136827084
I could pretend like women deserve the right to vote and withstand hearing their stupid as fuck blue pilled opinions if I was enough of a desperate cuck like you

But I'd rather keep lifting weights until I don't have to

Stay cucked fgt

>>136827037
MGTOW don't want to change society. They/We have accepted that society will not change as the women are the majority of the electorate and would never vote for something they perceive to be detrimental to them.

>>136826955
>Once these new technologies come online the White birthrate problem most likely will be a thing of the past.
Pretty much this. Because the only possibilities that these technologies could every exist is if the white birth race starts to drastically increase and whites survive to invent them.

You see hoping for technology which is many many decades away to help us is delusional on so many levels.
Artificial wombs will not save the white race.

>>136827251
Speak for yourself nigger

I don't identify as mgtow but maybe I fuckin should if they're being shat on this hard by kikes

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>>136827251
T-that's right goyim, the laws are in place already, t-they will never change.

married man have 20%less testosterone, and lowers even further when raising children, sound like they cucks to me.

>>136827357
Most people don't want to change them anyway. The biggest promoters of most of the gynocentric laws are traditionalists.

>>136827251
>MGTOW don't want to change society.
Thats why I said MRAs want to change society. Being an activist kinda implies that.

>They/We have accepted that society will not change as the women are the majority of the electorate and would never vote for something they perceive to be detrimental to them.
Then the white race is over, one could at least try to fight but you won't.

>>136827357
/ fucking thread, all these pro feminism cucks are doing is trying to demoralize and subvert our efforts and make us give in and keep the whole system afloat as long as possible to line their pockets with cash

>>136827450
just point out the logical fallacies, the fact that they are promoting oppression that is so severe it leads to suicide, after that, just call them evil until they stop arguing.

>>136827329
>they're being shat on this hard by kikes
They are LITERALLY kike propaganda do end the white race.

>>136827157
Because your dad didnt told you that the only women ever love you is your mother.You romanticize because you seek a woman that loves you as your mother.

>>136827450
I don't know what fuckin traditionalists you're talking to but traditionally women didn't even have the right to fuckin vote my dude

Lmao

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>>136827084
The problem isn't MGTOW. The problem is that the opponents of MGTOW (stormfront, jezebel) have shilled so fucking hard against MGTOW that you all have internalized their strawman misrepresentation of it. You believe that MGTOW = abstaining from sex. That isn't what it means. Here, I'm going to repeat that last part in all caps for emphasis.

MGTOW =/= ABSTAINING FROM SEX

Pic related is an accurate depiction of a typical MGTOW
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSl7xmsJCqQ

Do you believe that bachelors abstain from sex? Of course not. The only difference between MGTOW and bachelorhood is that society expects a bachelor to eventually "settle down" and start a family after he has finished sowing his oats. MGTOW are just bachelors who have the audacity to say, "my bachelorhood isn't a phase".

It isn't possible for an Incel to be MGTOW. The essence of being MGTOW lies in the act of CHOOSING your own lane. If you can't be in a relationship because it isn't an option in your life, then your lane has been chosen for you. You didn't choose to be single.

That isn't MGTOW, by definition. To be MGTOW, you first must have the option of being in a relationship available to you and then CHOOSE to be single.

MGTOW isn't anything more than this.
>you may now proceed to strawman what we are because you're intellectually incapable of formulating a logical argument against our actual position.

>>136827470
The white race isn't over. The current society is unsustainable (see national debt of almost all western nations). When the current state ushers in the collapse the white race will be there to pick up the peaces.

>>136827450
>The biggest promoters of most of the gynocentric laws are traditionalists.
I don't think you know what the word "traditionalist" means.

>>136827565
Uh huh, the white race will be saved by your "red pilled" cuck altruism where a few "red pilled" cucks go and get themselves cucked instead of addressing the root of the problem that causes birthrates to drop

>>136827579
so MGTOW = Bachelorhood?

yeah congratulations you guys aren't exactly reinventing the wheel

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>>136826938
In Japan you have the Herbivore Men.
The Herbivore Men seem similar to MGTOW, but were caused by modern gynocentric Traditionalism in which boys saw their fathers overworked to death to the point where it made them want to avoid marriage entirely.

If these Modern Traditionalists get their way we'll just turn things into Japan (demographic decline.)

>>136826052
They have this new thing Anon. It's called photoshop and you won't believe what it can do...

>>136827663
what are you even trying to say here?

>>136827676
>confirmed for illiterate

>>136827693
I thought Hikkikomori were MGTOW?

>>136827579
All pussy has a cost (even the pussy you're married to), so saying incels can't be MGTOW is false.

Incels who belong in the MGTOW camp have identified that their cost to get pussy is so astronomically high and the quality of that pussy would be so low that they won't even bother.

>>136827579
This, I mean maybe there are some mgtow faggots who think otherwise, but I can't imagine why, pussy is pussy, it's often free, seems more pathetic to want to go and get married for no real reason at all than not

>>136827769
>All pussy has a cost

Lmao tell that to my ex

I didn't pay shit and barely had to try

Thanks, genetics

>>136827638
Neither do traditionalists apparently. To them it just means "complete servitude of men to women and society".

>>136827769
incels can't be MGTOW, by definition.

Incels are INVOLUNTARILY celibate, which means they didn't choose their lane.

>>136818267
Do they take teenagers into calculations? Teenagers tend to do stupid shit and then die.

i know married 30 year old that gets laid once a month, i can get pussy everyweekend, married men have more sex, yeah right...

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>>136827037
The spokesmen of the MRAs are almost all Women now. It's a fucking joke.
Feminists have pretty much hijacked the movement, and neutralized it.

MGTOW is the only real mens rights movement still standing.

>>136817999
Yeah cool, now count the divorced guys

>>136827926
>Neither do traditionalists apparently
?
>"complete servitude of men to women and society"
?

>>136827926
I've considered myself a traditionalist for a while but to me that means getting rid of women's rights

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>>136827638
Imagine yourself on a cruise and the ship you are on is sinking. As lifeboats are put into the water, it is discovered that half of them are not seaworthy due to lax maintenance. One out of two sink as they are put into the water and its occupants swim back to the sinking cruise ship, desperately climbing back on board as everyone still on the cruise ship is panicking. You find yourself sitting on one of the lifeboats that actually works. However, a man wearing the uniform of a crew member points at you and yells at you. He is demanding that you get up out of your seat.

He says, "There aren't enough seats for everyone. Women and children first!"

You look over his shoulder and see a woman waiting for you to get up. You tell him to go fuck himself, and refuse to give up your seat. You assert that your life is just as valuable as hers and since you got to the seat first, the seat is rightfully yours. The man waves some of his fellow crew mates over to you and they forcefully remove you from the lifeboat. As soon as your seat becomes available, the woman sits in it without hesitation.

The notion that she has priority to that seat has been ingrained into her since childhood. She feels entitled to that seat and whether or not your life is more valuable never even crosses her mind. The fact that you are a professor at an Ivy League university and one of the most renowned physicists currently living and she is just a house wife is irrelevant. She is a woman.

Where feminism is primarily focused on female supremacy, traditionalism is focused on female superiority. Traditionalism is the other feminism. It's the gynocentric, white knight voice on the conservative side of politics and it’s the reason the ship's crew pulled you from the lifeboat. Traditionalism is the assertion that your life is less valuable than a woman and that it is your duty to consider yourself disposable. It is the pedestalization of women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_b8Gs6WoW0

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>>136817999
>study includes previously married men
>divorced men are statistically among the most unhappy people, just behind childless career women

Yeah I'll stay unmarried and undivorced. I do have even have a single reason to get married

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>>136827568
I'm gonna have to crack open some bourbon and ponder this. I don't think I like living anymore.

>>136827579

Having casual sex is far worse than just being celibate because your making yourself and women less and less fit for marriage, I would far prefer it if all you children of single mother r-selected retards would just become basement dwellers and you will too once you get child support cucked when a condom breaks.

>>136817999
>tfw no waifu
At least my suffering will end early.

>>136828028
Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
https://legiscan.com/OK/text/HB1121/id/1524694
A bill in Oklahoma proposed by Republicans proposing moving domestic violence from criminal courts to family courts.

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>>136828188
I couldn't care less what you prefer. I choose my lane, not you.

Go fuck yourself.

>>136828073
Nice analogy Goystein Shelelsbergowitz, if only it actually made any fucking sense, considering that traditionally, women didn't even have the right to fucking vote

So what if they had some other privileges instead, that was purely cultural and not legislated anyway

You think if we go back to traditionalism men will be cucked harder?

Are you people retarded?

>>136828190
>At least my suffering will end early.
Why?

captcha: sunny bonansa

>>136817999
>>136826428
USA YES!

>>136828188
>being this belligerently autistic

Dude, holy fuck you are pathetic and stupid

You can have monogymous and committed relationships with women without marrying them

Mother of god, britcucks are fucking lost

What if your only prospect in dating is a girl who used to be a druggie who's trying to monkey branch to you from her current bf because he's poor and you're not?

I really need to find a girl, i just dont know where and online dating is a sham. I don't go out drinking anymore.

>>136828271
>cuckservstive neocons

>traditionalists

My dude, these literal kikes wanted shitskins to flood over the border and wanted trump to lose.

Bush fucking senior said he'd rather see Hillary win than trump.

Most republicans are total kikes like john McCain

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>>136828361
American women initially didn't want the right to vote. Traditionally, the largest group of people opposing women suffrage were women, because they were afraid that with the right to vote would come conscription. It wasn't until the majority of women wanted the right to vote that women got the right to vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

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>>136828174
Truth sets you free.You will die either way.Might as well die trying.

>>136828513
Heh, I did that once. It will fail.

The only way to find a girl anymore is by sheer luck and hope. Maybe you have one or both of those, I don't. I give up.

>>136827579
This is a case where the strawman is actually better than the real thing. This new wave of MGTOW is embracing virtue and chastity. Celibacy until monogamy is restored will make us seem like saints in today's world of degeneracy. It drives the roasties nuts that we can turn down sex. We have to practice what we preach, casual sex has to be shamed.

>>136828451
Because the OP says I will not achieve maximum lifespan alone.

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>>136828271
>A bill in Oklahoma proposed by Republicans proposing moving domestic violence from criminal courts to family courts.

TFM covered this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylYY3kIp6fg

>>136817999
Happier men are likelier to get married?

>>136826955
And who do you think is going to control all those neat gadgets?

>>136817999
>what is survivor bias
as others said, dudes who have been frivorced are placed in the unmarried category; a better metric would be married versus never-married

>>136828608
>but they're not REAL traditionalists
Who then? Reagan? He signed no fault in Commiefornia with no attempts to veto it.

>>136828271
Its over, you have won this document has finally convinced me. How could I ever not realize that a completely unrelated group called the "Republicans" who wanted to "move domestic violence from criminal courts to family courts" which is unrelated to anything I said before, destroyed every arguments I have.

>>136828654
>>136828654
>women didn't want the right to vote because they thought they'd have to be responsible
>turns out they didn't have to be responsible and sign up for the draft so they changed their minds

...........and?

>>136828871
It's just an example. How about you give me an example of a traditionalist in power who isn't a complete simp.

>>136828851
My dude almost everyone in politics is a total kike, what are you doing acting like they actually represent any ideology and not just total subversion and exploitation of their people

>>136828073
And you were >>136827579 who said that the people against MGTOW were using using strawmans. Kinda ironic to be honest.

Good fucking lord, look at yourself everything you said is one fucking straw man. "Traditionalism" is about living "traditional"(!) gender roles, you know that thing that kept civilization alive for some thousands of years.

>>136828905
>..........and?
Women not having the right to vote wasn't a result of men oppressing women, as you implied here >>136828361
>considering that traditionally, women didn't even have the right to fucking vote

What does the fact that women initially didn't have the right to vote have anything to do with what was posted here? >>136828073

>>136828970
>if you don't have someone in power who explicitly endorsed ur beliefs then u don't exist

Is this your argument?

Because it's shit

>>136828970
>It's just an example.
For what?
What does this have to do with anything?

>>136829196
Of people promoting family values fucking over men.

>>136829092
I haven't used a strawman argument. Traditional gender roles have always been harmful to men.

>>136828851

You're a "cuckservative" if you defend the previous victorious of your liberal opponents.

>>136817999
I'm pretty sure the point behind MGTOW is not a denial of the obvious benefits of a successful marriage, but that a successful marriage has become harder and harder to even obtain.

>>136829185
>your generalised statement doesn't apply to me therefore it's invalid

>>136829175
You're acting like traditionalism means all men will have to fucking die to save women just because our culture was different back then

Most people will never be in even a similar circumstance, what you're saying is almost completely irrelivant

And you know what I would maybe want to die for women if they didn't have the right to vote and didn't make a big fucking stink about it

>>136829092
>men need to fulfill their traditional gender roles of working themselves nearly to death to provide, risk their lives to protect and sacrifice themselves for their families
>women just need to put a meal in the oven, use the washing machine and tell the kids to stop tearing the house apart sometimes

Yeah, no thanks. Traditionalism is awful for men.

>>136829320
You're argument is incoherent, just like this other cuck I'm arguing with

You're really grasping at straws now

>>136829373
>back then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVHnZX8E50

>>136817999

>Married men are happier and live longer than those who are not

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
*breath*
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha

>>136829373
https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/domestic-violence-industry/when-a-girl-hits-you/

>>136829488
My argument is that the biggest promoters of gynocentric laws are the people who promote family values (aka traditionalists). I have posted an example of such behaviour and your only counter argument has been "yea but I'm not doing that".

>>136829407
Labor was devalued when women entered the workforce

Money came much easier back then

My grandad bought a nice house just from working in a fucking orange juice factory at the conveyor line

Of course inflation and other shit plays a role too but doubling the workforce must have had a massively negative effect on wages

>>136829407
That's literally what women are built to do. You sound like a feminist

>>136828811
Ah, gotcha.

Naturally, the article OP linked to fails to mention the health impact of discovering infidelity, going through a divorce, getting saddled with alimony to "maintain her standard of living" etc. I think they mean men *whose marriages aren't in the 50% that fail*.

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>>136828839
>Who will have artificial womb technology?
People who can afford them, which is mostly Whites, East Asians, and Jews.

>>136829286
>I haven't used a strawman argument.
You did.

>Traditional gender roles have always been harmful to men.
That is simply not the case. It is illogical and nonsensical.
In a society where scarcity exists, women and men NEEDED to bond together to form a family. They NEEDED to have kids, since when they got old someone needed to help the.
This is simply bullshit from a scientific perspective.

Now the argument can be made, that we (in the west) do not live in a society where scarcity really exists.
The obviously reply to that is that one needs to just look at the west to see that it is crumbling on all ends. Gender roles help to preserve society (since that society was formed around these gender roles) and exactly like feminism has (very successfully) destroyed gender roles in the eyes of the female, MGTOW is trying to destroy the gender roles in the eyes of the males.

>>136829740
Do you not see how the duties traditionalism demands of the husband and wife are much more grim and demanding for the husband?

>>136829806
>Who will have artificial womb technology?
Nobody since they will take many many decades to invent and whites surely will have died out before that if MGTOWs have their way.

>>136829664
Really, traditionalists believe women should have the right to vote?

When traditionally they didn't?

I really don't care dude, if they're all retarded it doesn't mean I can't have a similar yet somewhat vastly differing opinion instead of going to the full opposite side and saying women's rights are good

You're making like every fallacy imaginable, it's retarded, you really have no point

>>136829877
Guess why men are stronger and can more easily full fill these "grim and demanding" gender roles.

>>136829842
>That is simply not the case.
We're done. You're either a moron or a troll at this point.

>>136829842
Why would men keep doing their traditional gender roles if women refuse to do theirs? It just becomes a masochistic endeavour. You "need" to do this or you "must" do that even though it brings you no benefit.

>>136829877
Do you not see how that's a fair price to pay for women not being hypergamous sluts who cuck the shit out of you your entire life unless you're a literal chad?

And that being a chad tends to not last your entire life?

>>136829877
As long as women are locked into monogamous marriages with us what's the problem? We're built to overcome challenges, women are built to push out babies and sweep the floor. It's just the way things are.

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>>136829919
In the year 2060, the white race will constitute 10% of the world population. This is due to the fact that most white people live in more advanced cultures and they have access to cheap birth control and that western women have educations/careers and due to the fact that in Africa and southeast Asia, women do not have universal access to cheap birth control and they are generally uneducated/don't have career options. From now until 2060, Africa and southeast Asia will produce a shitload of children and the child production that occurs in those two continents will take the world population from 7 billion to 11.5 billion. There is no amount of fucking white people can do that will undo the demographic growth of those two peoples. Our fate as a minority on this planet is sealed. Aside from mass genocide or a plague, nothing will undo it.

But here's the thing. Despite white people being a minority, in 2060 there will be more than 1 BILLION of us. 10% of the population and still there will be a BILLION of us. The white race isn't going anywhere. The notion that we are under threat of extinction is propaganda stormfags use to grow their ranks here. Stop drinking their kool-aid and grow a pair.

>>136817999
Tits or get out. Stinky roasty closet stick cuck flag fag bitch

That's only because men who live alone have higher testosterone and take more risks. People alone tend to use more drugs and alcohol and have more unhealthy habits. So if you're dumb and/or do drugs you will live shorter life.

>>136830000
Maybe I should label them gynocentric traditionalists to avoid offending your sensibilities or something. Fact is no one is going out in public talking about taking the female vote away. The only politicians that are somewhat traditional (or at least pretend to be) are Republicans and they are even worse when it comes to gynocentric laws than Democrats.

>>136830095
Thanks for addressing my arguments. You obviously have no reply.

>>136830101
>Why would men keep doing their traditional gender roles if women refuse to do theirs?
That is obviously an interesting point. I would argue that it is the only way for the white race to survive. The other option being, to give up and become a MGTOW.
But if you seriously want society to continue there is no other option.

>>136817999
>wanting to live until your 90s
lmao, cant even get up without help

>>136830541
But why would I want society to continue? It's sick and deformed. Best to let it die and start over.

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>>136817999
Now take into account married men + those who married and divorced vs those who never married.

>>136830265
Yeah no, it's because of child support

Most pregnancies now happen """"""((((((accidentally)))))"""""

>>136830265
>In the year 2060
and?

You surely can't be so stupid and believe that in ~40 years we have artificial wombs, can you.

>>136828073

Putting Women first was important when the population of the planet was tiny and groups of people were small. The loss of even a few women could mean the end of a tribe.

Given the amount of women that exist today those notions should no longer exist, but they do.

>>136830710
I don't give a fuck about artificial wombs.

>>136830541
Destruction is not a negative force in the universe.The old and rusty must be torn down,to make room for the new and shiny.Without destruction,there would be no need for creation.Without the need for creation,the world would have no purpose,but to endure.Stagnant.Static.Forever.

>>136830634
>start over
That will not happen, it is absurd on so many levels.

>>136830426
>Fact is no one is going out in public talking about taking the female vote away

No one is going out and talking about how shitskins aren't humans either

Doesn't mean we're not deporting some of them

>>136821505
If you get handled around by women like this, you're top tier betalord shit.

>>136830752
I agree

>>136830249
Okay, you go off to fight in a war and I'll fuck your wife while you're gone.

>>136830789
Then why are you replying to me talking about artificial wombs?

>muh women

It's better to cut the tax stream to the Jews:

Easy mode:
>buy as much as possible from local market, so you don't pay the tax
>do not put money into banks, as they use your money to "invest", get gold and silver to prevent inflation eating your funds
>decrease the consumption of taxed items to reduce money going to Jews
>find cheaper rent or share the house with trusted friends
>do not take loans unless you want to use to it raise your income
>milk the welfare
>stockpile food and water
>get a gun

Hard mode, use it if you're in the deep shit:
>go full vagabond and just travel the world.

>>136830809
Why? You think the world is just going to end if the west falls?

>>136818872
Yes but at least you get to have a wet hole whenever you want, well most of the time, well sometimes if you're lucky, well almost never... but its worth it right because you get to provide for her and be a man?

>>136830850
I wasn't applying to you about that. You said whites are going to die out, which is bullshit.

I never understood how someone who could consider whites the master race would also have such a poor opinion of our capability to survive.

>>136830946
The West already failed.Its the nerves kicking what we witness today.

>>136830831
>only alphas deserve to not get cucked

>lmao why are all these betas avoiding women?

>>136830990
*replying

>>136830946
>You think the world is just going to end if the west falls?
No, only the good parts of the world are going to end.

The shit skins will obviously stay here and create their Islamic caliphate regressing ~1000 years.

>>136831019
True dat. The collapse is inevitable anyway. Might as well embrace it.

>>136830710
no need too, surrugate mothers are about 40K and other 60k for legal fees

>>136829407
>risk their lives to protect and sacrifice themselves for their families
>Yeah, no thanks.
So when did you become a total bitch anon? You wouldn't protect and sacrifice for your kids? It's hilarious that you mgtow faggots have the audacity to call anyone else cucked.

>>136830990
>I wasn't applying to you about that.
That is fucking stupid.

>You said whites are going to die out
I said they were going to die out BEFORE WE CAN CREATE ARTIFICIAL WOMBS

>I never understood how someone who could consider whites the master race would also have such a poor opinion of our capability to survive
Because most whites don't want the white race to survive.

>>136830837
When society resets men like you will be executed. Monogamy has to be restored by any means necessary

>>136824754
Exactly. Lay down the law from day one so they know what to expect. Based Magyarbro.

>>136831138
>surrugate mothers
EXACTLY.
That is NOT an artificial womb, it is an ORGANIC womb.

>>136831072
Anon... There are no more good parts. Only slightly less shitty ones.