Americans will deny global warming despite concrete evidence

Junk data

>>136810469
my corporate overlords demand it

>>136810469
Present your case with a short, concise argument.

If you can't I'll assume you don't actually have a firm grasp on what you're flapping your cocksucker about.

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>>136810469
The temperature or climate is always changing. The human race has had it's most prosperous times under warmer weather. Look up global greening. Also Hans you're a faggot

>>136810546
1. Buy a thermometer
2. Start a diary reporting daily averages
3. A few years in the future, notice its getting warmer
4. Feel bad that you were a moron until then

>>136811044
Niggers don't cause global warming

FUCKING KEK

>>136811056
People are literally dying from heat in Europe right now.
They walk to the store, their brains overheat, and they fall and die.

>>136811146
Take temperature for 150 years on planet 4 billion years old. Act arrogant because you have it all figured out. Too dumb to realize short comings.

>>136811423
How well did humans live 4 billion years ago?
Was icecream as cheap and affordable?

Because if not, we might not want a return to such a state. Fag.

>>136810469
Two reasons:

1. If the Earth is changing there is nothing we can conceivably do to stop it you spoiled little shit

2. LMAO I dont even care nigga

Your Carbon Tax is not a Solution. Its a Scam.

If you are so worried about Carbon then do something about it.

Stand up for a real Solution like Molten Salt Reactors for example.

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>>136811302

Drink water ???? Wear a hat???

>>136811302
HAHAHAHAHA

>>136811610
>1. If the Earth is changing there is nothing we can conceivably do to stop it you spoiled little shit

what about going full solar?

>>136811882
Going full solar would make electricity (and thus everything made with electricity) much more expensive.
People will riot, and there will be wars.

Solar is just not as good as fuel at the moment, nowhere near.

>>136810469
Because some of us don't immediately bend over and take the cock du jour of every globalist cause that shows up.

We also don't forget. I remember 20 or 30 years ago, they were telling us that our activities would turn the planet into a solid ice ball if we didn't change our ways. Then its gonna melt, and evaporate the oceans, now its just generic "change".

The funny part is, ALL solutions, no matter what the environment does, needs regressive, global policy enacted RIGHT AWAY... NOW... before its too late!!!.... this time we mean it!

We were told 10 years ago that earth would both be an unlivable dried out husk with no polar bears, and completely under water.

Then we discover that a ton of data was faked, cooked, and everyone was linking back to each other on the bad data in a giant circle jerk.

Please, Hans... spare us your fairy tales and just concentrate on slamming your asshole closed when your muslim bull comes around after prayer time.

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Why are Amerilards always so willfully ignorant?
Is it because of something they put in the government mandated daily serving of Coke Zero™?

>>136811882
I think it is naive to suggest that humans have any shot of accurately controlling the climate of the Earth anytime soon

It's pretty yuge

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daily reminder that the last time Earth had similar temperatures as today was 120 000 years ago

during that time sea level was between 6 to 9 meters higher than today and there is evidence of sudden swings of several meters within a few decades

there are also several sedimentological indicators pointing to cyclonic 'superstorms' in the Caribbean, that were powerful enough to transport 1000t 'mega-boulders' onto the shore and formed because collapsing ice sheets shut down the oceanic overturning circulation

>>136810588
corporate overlords are the ones who pay for bogus (((research))) because if renewable or otherwise clean energy is more accessible and affordable for common people then their refineries become obsolete in the energy department and they are left with producing industrial lubricants and plastics cutting their profits significantly.

signed, (_))::::::::::::::::D~~your fucking stepdad~~

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>>136811934
Solar energy will start to be cheaper than gas in 4-5 years.

Why does OP wanna suck Al Gores Cock?

>>136812194
So many axioms here I'm unsure you actually know what "concise" and "argument" mean.

>>136811146
Misleading and irrelevant

>>136810469
>Concrete evidence
Weren't the ice caps supposed to be melted by the early 2000's?

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the winter was colder than usual desu.

>>136812203
Supposedly, yes. I hope it does.
However, it will be like the '90s in home PCs - every couple of years you need to buy a new one, as the technology improves in effectiveness. Early adopters would be fucked.
And since we had that with PCs, with mobile phones, etc and soon too, people are careful.

>>136812251
And I am quite sure who's cock you're sucking, say hi to them corporate overlords for me, eh?

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>>136812109
We know we are rising Co2 levels are an insane rate and we know that the physical phenomenon is rising temperature.

The main question is how massive and fast the impact is gonna be.

>>136810469
hey you falsify data you can make any argument right, hell you get caught doing over and over well your just a climate denier.

sorry truth is the grand solar minimum is coming bro, enjoy the new ice age, here's hoping its just another mini.

>>136811146
>muh one data point

Nigga u dumb.

How stupid do you have to be to die because it's too hot?

Also all the solutions for global warming, real or not, aim to lower the earth's temperature by a fraction of a degree every ten years. What an enormous waste of money.

>>136810469
Americans are the only country left with a free press

Or is you think DW was going to give any airtime to climategate?

>>136812265
just because they haven't melted as some predictions have stated back in whenever, doesn't change the fact that they are in fact melting.
Also much progress was made in switching over to renewable and cleaner energy sources so the process was slowed down.

>>136810469
Why is it climate change instead of global warming

>>136812194
>t. another idiot who doesn't know that renewable energy is reliant on refineries for the manufacturing of most of the components for their renewable energy infrastructure

>>136812532
You have to be sandnigger or african

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>>136810469
>global warming
>man made global warming
>western global warming
Which one we talking about famalam?

Vast majority is natural, the next largest chunk is from China and India who will never lower emissions.

>>136812548
It hasn't happened yet... but it WILL! If you don't give the government money WE'RE DOOMED

>>136812548
>Make prediction
>Doesn't come true
>I-I was just off on the date a little it's still happening
I'm also slowly dying but that doesn't mean it's not something that's going to happen naturally anyway

>>136810469
Honestly who the fuck knows. It's weird, Americans are weird. It's like they're so
obssessed with individualism they just have to run counter to stuff like global warming. It's
just too juicy.
I reckon it's because at it's heart, America is a "yehaw we struck oil boys" nation. Always have
been always will be. That's why they want trump, It's why they want a "shake up", they've come into money and that's what they think
will happen forever. They'll just keep getting their yehaw moments, and fuck the tedium of micro-
management.

>>136812576
Yeah, burger but riddle me this, how come oil companies (i.e. Exxon) are the ones sponsoring bogus research? Maybe (just maybe) the profits would drop despite the technological reliance on such components?

Food for thought.
PS

>>136810469
>why
Because corporates want to be freed from any government shackles to produce at their own hearts content.
US people are gullible enough to believe there would be any benefit with deregulating industrial production and economy.

We've already seen all this shit.
Amerifats suck jew dicks and vote to deregulate market, we all suffer from it.

Climate naturally changes, and humanity is simply providing another push to the process.

Mankind as a whole might very well understand the situation they chained themselves onto, only when water and food shortages, and even greater immigration waves will become the norm.

>>136812362
Not an argument, moron.

Is this the power of anarchism?

>>136812722
you live in one of the poorest countries in the world.

>>136812694
>Americans
Great propaganda spewing, here's the truth, if climate change is real go be angry at the Chinese and Indians since they spew out more pollution and coal smoke than any other nations in the world. They burn more coal than European women

>>136812621
Oh yeah, all those poor corporations who would lose money on shifting from one energy source to another.
After multi national corporations are the good guys and they would NEVER put profits before people, eh?
>>136812644
Are Ice Caps melting or not?
That's the question, the slower rate of melting doesn't make the point go away.
Another thing, do you think the flooding of coastal regions and the myriad of problems associated with those is worth the risk of not making some fat cats invest in different power sources?

>>136811281
Lool I like how you highlight the straight bit in red like, "look boys we did great here, does this look like an upwards trend to you???". That straight part is stupid, it's the end part where it rockets upward which is relevant to the last hundred years of Climate change. But ofc we can't see that because it's happening on too small a time scale for this chart to show.

>>136812771
I wasn't making an argument

I am not even the guy you responded to and d e m a n d e d a concise point from

I just called you a retard and I'm pretty sure it was a bullseye

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>>136812938
Of course the ice caps are melting, they've been melting for hundreds of years
Pic related you can't tell me we were doing just as much environmental "damage" in 1916 as we were in 1996

>>136812710
No. They will charge you more for the critical parts.

Wanna know a secret? Oil companies make very little profit from oil and gas. They make tons of money from things that are critical to making plastics, components, and other things you wouldn't be able to shitpost from your iphone.

>>136811302
and yet the Sahara is having a record cool summer

>>136812259
>>136812450
>scientists are lying to me, so climate is a myth
>i cant test it myself, i am not a scientist dummy
>by the way my aunt and my sister are the same person

>>136810469
explain to me why america has to do something and fork over money and not china, india, and 3rd world developing countries?

>>136812938
your argument is that corporations are funding bogus research but you're not really putting anything forth, are you?

you're beginning to sound like the same people you came here to mock.

>>136812203
so what tesla produces as much CO2 in the production of its vehicles as you would burn in a typical car over 8 years.

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>>136813149
I didn't say that, I said your presented data is misleading since it isn't of big enough scale to prove climate change
Also I ain't got a sister so try harder

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>>136811146
Been there, done that. Raw data shows no warming. They have to conveniently (((adjust))) the raw data for it to show anything.

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>>136812929
This thread is about why Americans deny climate change so fiercely, so I'm not propagandizing dumbass I'm making a relevant comment. Also Whataboutism much? At least china is doing chinas thing and building a metric fuckton of solar, then again china has more get up and go than US. US is pinned by the throat by big oil

>>136812139
Nice speculative theory based on what we believe happens. Let us know when you can time travel and bring back the video.

>>136813128
Oh yeah, tell me more about your expertise in Oil Company practices, and how they totally support renewable energy

In the meantime I'll give you a secret
I worked for Exxon for 6 yrs as a regional manager

>>136810469
It's 8/10/2017 and currently 56 degrees with an expected high of 75 today in Colorado. Fuck off al gore

>>136812426
there was 5x as much CO2 in the atmosphere during the Cretaceous Period as there is right now. The planet is currently carbon starved.

>>136810469
>German
>white

HAHAHAHAHA NIGGER

>>136813048
>complaining about a request for a concise argument
Well at least that explains why you gave no argument.

>>136813436
not an argument

>>136813374
your name isn't Ken Ham by any chance?

>>136813383
Let me guess, oil companies don't want renewable energy because it means an endless supply of money. They much prefer a finite source like oil right? Seriously gtfo

>>136812938
Thorium reactors, look it up dude if they were serious they could have a safe alternative to nuclear power that would make power so cheap it would almost be free.

As an American, I can explain.

We under fund our educational system so badly that college graduates have only a 4th or 5th grade reading level.

Thus, when a climate study comes out with big fancy words like anthropogenic, Joe Plumber American doesn't understand. But when some climate denier like *THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT THE MOMENT* says words like "fake" and "hoax", they get that. It resonates with them (resonate is another big word that climate deniers wouldn't understand). Couple that with the mentality of voting for guys you "want to have a beer with", and you get backwards hicks with southern accents (indicative of poor education, prove me wrong) flooding our congress.

The problem is systemic. I'm honestly not sure if it can be fixed.

>>136813369
I said it because you are trying to pin it on us rather than the true sourc, China, whatever clean energy they build there are still more coal plants being constructed, not to mention all the environmental damage that they constantly create without giving any shits

>>136813601
>as an american

unmask yourself commie flaggot.

>>136813721
k

>>136813647
Dude you're 5, playing blame game uggh so irrelevant

>>136813585
>if they were serious
I'm kinda getting cold fusion vibes my man
But I'll look into it, sounds exciting.
>>136813540
I don't know what oil companies are looking to profit from. But you've proven how retarded your own point is for me, which is hella nice.
>it means an endless supply of money

You do realize, that plastics come from oil, and oil is finite, right? We on the same page here?
Shifting their production from oil to plastics makes no sense, because that requires a lot of investment in infrastructure, (because production would have to be shifted to pretty much exclusively plastics), while oil (quite logically) remains finite.

Wew.

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>>136813787
The pot calls the kettle black

>>136813601
A lot of good points
>>136813721
great illustration, this guy can't even spell 'faggot'

>>136813786
alright sir sorry about the confrontation, have a nice day.

>>136810469

slide

>>136813417
Note how humans weren't alive in the Cretaceous period.

It's almost like the earth's climate for the past million years is the climate that humans need to survive!

>>136813985
>being a flaggot
>not knowing what a flaggot is

O' Im havin a laff

>>136813947
Are you literally fucking retarded dude? I did not blame America you just got hurt fee fees.
I said American people don't like the idea of micro managing which is why they deny climate change,
unlike every other country in the world. Holy shit man you are 5, learn some fucking reading comprehension.
Glass heart faggit

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>>136814190
Sounds like someone is a little upset

>>136813902
You made absolutely no sense. If there was a source of renewable energy that was comparable to oil it would mean endless profits for them. Are you honestly so fucking retarded that you think they don't want that? There's no investment needed for infrastructure of producing plastic than what would normally happen because they've been doing that for decades. Seriously put the beer down. You've had enough

>>136814042
we have mars so it doesn't really matter.

>>136814226
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>>136814226
>>136814149
>dey du bed ding so we can bad ding too

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>>136814437
>flaggot ignores point of the message
>is so assblasted he includes one post twice

american education. they also have highly qualified people whose job is to manipulate public opinion in that direction, working in think tanks, very well paid

>>136814391
No friend, you are the one, who's having one too many. How is that fucking endless profit, if oil is required for production of such components? How is that endless?

It's not. Also renewable energy is a non-thing, but it's a giant step towards conserving resources.

Finally, you have not made one thing clear - if oil companies are to profit from cutting the use of fossil fuels, then why do they lobby against such measures?

Protip: They obviously see more profit in maintaining the status quo.

>>136814391
he's just high off of his own methane emissions dude, not drunk.

>>136810469
A graph that resembles raped euro sphincter....

>>136814529
I see you're still assblasted about that misspelling of yours, don't worry, the butthurt goes away with some cream

>>136814835
alright bud, let me explain being a flaggot, since you do it so effortlessly, a flaggot is someone who rather than showing their nationality, decides instead to use one of the flags, this instantly denotes you as being someone worth ignoring.

>>136813601 is a flaggot post
>>136813786 is not a flaggot post

>>136814398
Literally what are you talking about

>>136814727
Saying that plastic is a necessity is like saying gasoline is a necessity for cars. They will come up with a different product. Believe it or not humans used to exist without plastic. The only thing they care about is money. Once again oil is finite. They know eventually their profits will run out. Come up with a viable alternative to oil and you will be one of the richest people on earth

>>136812938
>>136813122
as expected

>>136810469
i sure could use some of that global warming you liberals are so excited about. sadly it's a hoax and the summer will suck as fucking always

>>136815080
>this instantly denotes you as being someone worth ignoring

which is precisely why you've ignored every single one of my posts

>>136815109
we're in the process of terraforming mars. earth's climate change is null & void because of this.

>>136815220
do you think i've been reading them? as in giving them actual thought, or am i just spewing vitriol at you?

i'm just trying to be helpful friendo.

>>136815114
>they will come up with a different product
so why aren't they? Hmm, maybe because they've done so much to have the oil to themselves and now, having a different energy source would mean they won't be able to sell off all the oil that's still in the ground at the same rate they've been doing all those years?

>Come up with a viable alternative to oil and you will be one of the richest people on earth
Work towards coming up with a viable alternative to oil and you will be ignored, lobbyists will do everything they can so that the government won't grant you the money you need for research and corporate media outlets will call your alternative a 'hoax'.

The oil needs to get sold, an alternative would run such great american enterprises into the ground, and we certainly wouldn't want that, eh?

>>136810469
ummm, because the climate is always changing and there's no concise proof that human industrial activities are changing it anymore than nature is already at the same time.

>>136810469
Europeans just love taxes more.

How is raising taxes going to lower temperatures?

How is closing factories in the west, and opening them in india and china going to lower global carbon emissions?

It all sounds like a big scam.

>>136817900
>How is raising taxes going to lower temperatures?
Carbon tax incentivise companies to act, they ain't
doing it out of the kindness of their heart.

>>136817979
>to act
means sending jobs to countries with lower taxes.

>>136818255
We use fuel to make electricity, you cant outsource electricity production, the costs go up greatly with distance.

>>136818255
You gonna outsource truck driving? You absolute bellend

>>136818335
The costs go up greatly with taxes as well.


also if temperatures did go up, then fuel use, and thus carbon emissions, would go down, just because you wouldn't need to heat your house as much.

>>136818255
You gonna outsource train driving?

>Oh hey india we need you to drive your own trains around india on the cheap because it's too expensive to do in the UK, ty

wowee you can't outsource this dumbass

>>136818536
Nigger you can't outsource 90% of fuel use, its for electricity and transport mostly, and other local shit.
And no, the carbon tax doesn't make it worthwhile to produce electricity in India and move it to Europe, you are being a complete moron right now.

>>136818431
No we are going to pay more for shipping goods which will eat up a greater share of income, while industry is still moved to lower tax third world destinations. Fucking stupid AGW supporting cunts should be sent adrift in the arctic ocean.

>>136818431
You are just cherry picking.

How about this. Those cargo ships that transports shit from china, 45 of them together put out more carbon emissions than all automobiles in the world combined. There are thousands of them.

But we are going to lower global emission by closing local factories and having more shit sent from china.

>>136818255
Couldn't agree more with this train of thought. Global scam artists btfo

>>136818841
A 150000 horse power ship probably does pollute more than many thousands of cars, and global warming considered is a bigger issue.
The shit it spits out however isn't trapped between tall resident buildings and doesn't poison urban dwellers, its absorbed quickly by the open ocean. This increases plants there, and causes a whole different crisis, but thats not on my radar right now.

Less poisonous cars can be made and are practical to make, not the case for village sized ships at the moment. Hopefully it will be in the future.

>>136819083
1. ever heard of wind?
2. the carbon in residential areas doesn't increase plant growth?

>>136818841

So you're suggesting in carbon tax scenario we'd just stop shipping stuff? Stupid

>>136818782
oh and keep defending big business while ragging on muh globalism you fucking useful idiot. The ships sail through SECA they'll find a way to make them cough up for a carbon taxt to trade in Euro ports anyway. As they should. The whole fucking point is to reduce emissions and force change in the industry, this is how innovation comes about.
Giving industries an easy time like youre suggesting is exactly why we're all our own govs are in the pocket of big oil in the first place. Grow a backbone stop sucking corporate dick, the market will survive without your tears.

>>136819310
Wind? For a ship of that size, with that load? Going both ways, on any given day?
You are clueless.

>>136810469
we have a brazilian scientists saying its bullshit also. 30% say its bullshit, 30% say that the data is inconclusive and 30% are saying they believe in it.
https://www.desmogblog.com/climate-denial-brazil-translation
dude has been studying this shit for 20+ years went to Antarctica couple of times and concludes :
its bullshit.

>>136811302
They need to upgrade their brain coolers.

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>El Nino year
>Temperatures well above average
Pretty normal desu senpai.

>>136819446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

Last time 70000 people died, I don't think the problem was in their TVs.

>>136819391
No, dickhead.

Wind for the co2. Air moves.

>Implying we're not living in a computer simulation and our creator is actually entering into the start of their summer, which means his computer is running hotter than normal due to poor ventilation and cooling.

Fucking idiots, all of you.

>>136819573
Heat waves never happened before the industrial revolution. I know this because humans would've measured them in detail with the instruments not yet invented.

>>136813290
Because of the battery production? Hard metals used in batteries are horrific for the environment

>>136819319
It's small business that cannot outsource, that are damaged by this, not big businesses.

>>136819963
If they can't survive without fucking the planet they should die. If they can't survive period, they should die. Any other way and you're just subsidizing failure, which hurts the economy more.

>>136810469
Global warming is real, but humsn activity accounts for less than 0.01%.

>>136810469

*fabricated evidence

This is just the latest article.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/01/delingpole-australia-bureau-of-meteorology-caught-erasing-record-low-temperatures/
(Fuck off nordbot and support breitbart)

So, are you being willfully ignorant op?
Or are you a legit retarded nigger?

>>136820107
They harm the planet less is the point.

Hypothetical here.
A small business in NY builds widgets, sells them in a 3 state area, transports them via truck.
> but trucks carboning the air is bad.
Company forced to close.
Large competitor builds widgets in china, transports them via cargo ship to california then from california they are transported via truck to NY.
>but NY has less emissions now because the company is closed down.
>americans btfo

>>136810469
Women will deny their objective inferiority despite evidence

you marxists keep playing around with words and definitions
nobody is denying that the temperature changes.

What we're challenging is the idea that trillions of dollars in new taxation and regulation will some how stop this trend and save the earth from 'destruction.' The left's apocalyptic visions of the future is completely unscientific scare mongering.

What should be done to change it?

>>136820678
So the OG fails because trucks are too expensive but the competitor magically doesn't have to use trucks? He selling shit out of the port facility? Not quite there are we, you invented a discrepancy both would have to deal with, and an issue (china making cheap shit) which is not caused by carbon tax.

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meanwhile in china

>but bicycles don't carboning

>>136812838
Joke is on you, this is one of the richest.
That should give you an idea of kind of fucking massive immigration floods we could all face, when climate changes intensify and push the actual poor countries' denizes onto the western world states.

Deregulating economy and industrial production only leads to China and India level of environmental destruction.
We must force a stop to these countries, and the western world must take a stand to avoid, or at least beign able to manage the future that we are facing.

>>136810469
They're indoctrinated by religion and a hyper capitalist ideology. That's basically it. Both of those ideologies pervade American society to the highest degree and both have an interest in denying global warming.

>>136810469
>Can't predict weather a week from now.
>Can predict climate decades from now
>Weather is a part of climate

Really made me think, OP.

>>136821453
That's a terrible argument based on a false equivalence.

>>136821297
China doesn't have to deal with the same regulations, taxes, or payroll. Keeping the cost of production low enough so that even after transport costs its lower than a local small business that causes less environmental damage.

AND, somehow they sign onto the paris accord, but have to do absolutely nothing to change their emissions, while america needs to tax the shit out of themselves and send the money to "incentivize" companies to "act"

>>136821585
No, it's not. Climate includes weather which they can not predict. The fucking end.

>>136821681
And climate also includes plenty of other things. So yes. A false equivalence. Leave America and get an education.

>>136821821
>And climate also includes plenty of other things.
Name 3 that are not weather related.

>>136821821
I don't care about the other things, you condescending twat. If ONE of your variables is wrong, it;'s all wrong.

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>>136821678
China builds loads miles of fucking solar farms,
and are actively making changes. Better than
being an asshole country. America should lead
from the fucking front and stop acting like such
a hard done by bitch. You think America is too
taxed? It's the richest country on earth currently,
it has 8 fucking navies ffs. Shut the fuck up.

>>136810469
There's an ongoing insect migration. We can observe different species previously based in southern, warmer climates, moving north. In Czech republic we can now commonly find bugs that lived around Balkans - bugs of which we know that populate areas based on average temperature. Twenty years ago, there wasn't a single specimen here, because they like it hot. Nowadays you can find them even at the northern border of the country.

Pls explain.

>>136810469

So if Europe is so "progressive" and solar and wind power is so efficient, then why isn't Europe 100% green energy? And why doesn't Europe drive nothing but electric cars?

>>136821977
>They are the richest so they should tax themselves until they are as poor as everyone else

maybe they don't agree with that.

>>136821944
Acidification of the oceans
...
That's all I got

>>136810469
I hope global warming cooks every shitskin on the planet.

>>136810469
What's the concrete evidence? Because I've never seen any.

Global warming is a load of bullshit

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>>136821681
I can't predict the height of one person but I could predict the average height of one million people easily. The system that dictates weather is simply too complex for small sample sizes to be accurately gauged.

>>136822505
Concrete evidence of warming or that mans causing the warming?

>>136822513
Must suck to live in a shit place where there is no sun 300 days a year

>>136810469
You're the retard that thinks climate is supposed to be stagnant. not me

>>136822673
t. basement dweller

>>136812203
Good. In the meantime let's stop government subsidies then.

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so they want to regulate all emitting chemicals and other important things to run a factory but again aren't these private capitalists literally running the country? What benefits do regulators get out of it?

Let's jump fence on the other side for the sake winning arguments, if man made pollution is not dangerous or has any effect as the you all are saying then how do you explain the whole pollution mask trend going on in China being the leader of unregulated production?

>>136822628
I see a lot of modeling based on bad data which draws incorrect conclusions. Don't forget that average global temperatures have not risen so much as a single degree in seventeen years.

>>136821946
You haven't even read the basic science on climate change, you toothless hick. Otherwise you wouldn't be caught up in this silly irrelevant point about predicting weather.

>>136810469
>man-made
try again, SPD/Grüne voter.

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>>136823539
>I see a lot of modeling based on bad data which draws incorrect conclusions
A specific example?

>Don't forget that average global temperatures have not risen so much as a single degree in seventeen years
A degrees temperature rise is a huge amount of energy, sustained temperature increase over a long enough period has previously had great impacts on ecosystems world wide

It's so funny reading these posts from 15-17 year old euros who spend two weeks on Wikipedia and basically think they have the world figured out and that anyone who disagrees with them is 'a stupid burger'

The quality of this board has gone down dramatically in the last year, too many young kids here.

>>136810469
Americans deny all kinds of things. They are very stupid.

>>136812139
Also, the big bang is real. I cant explain how but people with big degrees proved it using theories and hypotheses which means its settled science goy

>>136810824
Humans weren't alive 50 million years ago, we aren't made for that climate. Also, CO2 levels of over 400 ppm weren't this high either ever since humans started to evolve.This pic is shit.

If you don't think climate change (warming, that is), just ask someone 80 or so years old and ask them about the summers and winters when they were children. But no matter what they will tell you, you'll probably still believe Trump...

This world deserves to die while there are so many stupid people.

>>136824457
Funny that atheists love the big bang theory but it was created by a belgian priest (Georges Lemaître) to change scientific opinion on the origin of the universe to one that more closely resembles the description in the bible.

There was nothing then, bang, god made the universe.

Before that scientists believed that the universe was always here.

>>136824834
yeah I'm sure 80 years ago when people didn't have central heating or insulation it was much colder...

good point

>>136824132
If you deny man influenced climate change at this point, you're a stupid burger or an ideologue.
You're akin to a flat earther at this point.

>>136810469
>Links to youtube

Maybe while I'm there I can read up on the 6 underground megalithic cities around the world, and the conspiracy to hide their existence.

Or maybe I can watch a video about how the structures in old African villages exert a specific frequency proving that aliens exist.

FFS do you really believe that garbage?

>>136825081
>colder
We are not talking about perceived feelings, snowflakes.
We are talking about fucking snow and glaciers cutting roads where now is all flowers and tourists going into pic-nics.

>>136824938
The big bang theory wasn't created out of thin air you fucking jack ass.
It's a the direct logical outgrowth of Einstein's theories and hubbles observations. And the chap you've mentioned wasn't the only one to reach this conclusion, that the universe must have a beginning. Sure you can say "God did it!", but that answers nothing and gives no predictions. It's as useful as saying fairies or ice giants did it.

>>136825382
you don't need to go back 80 years for that.
8 months ago there was snow all over those places, but its summer now.

>>136824089
NOAA and NASA are well known to falsify their data, often even replacing it with computer models. Since, you know, their fantasy is more accurate than what actually happened. During the Osama regime years, they even moved thermometers into the hottest places they could find to skew their data. Berkeley is radical left, and nothing they produce can have any validity. The other two I am unfamiliar with, but since they purport to be climate scientists you can rest assured that they are likewise corrupt.

So go ahead and prove the Earth is warming. You literally cannot.

>>136810469
>oy vey goy muh macro economic conditions are so insurmountable that we have to destroy every business on the planet rather than build more levees and not build close to the waterfront

>>136825607
>8 months ago there was snow all over those places, but its summer now.

Yes but liberal snowflakes now think Summer is global warming.

>>136825607
Same season, potato eater.
Go waste somebody else's time if you have nothing worthwhile to do.

Climate change is already happening and soon we'll have to face so large immigration waves from African countries, that they may flood the western countries.

We require rules to manage the upcoming future.

>>136825081
I'm not talking about inside temperatures dumbass.

>>136825471
it wasn't thin air, it was nothing. then god, err, i mean, nothing blew up and made everything.

and this is scientific because observable facts, because einstein was a time traveler or something

Because it's pretty cold for the month of august in northern hemisphere; pull your head out of your 99 degree global ass and check it: no fucking warming

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>>136825765
>NOAA and NASA are well known to falsify their data, often even replacing it with computer models
Source?

>they even moved thermometers into the hottest places they could find to skew their data
They don't just take all the thermometer readings and average them out, the planet is divided into grids which respond similarly to heat content increases. Changing areas of coverage wouldn't cause artificial heating

>Berkeley is radical left, and nothing they produce can have any validity
Sorry but this is prime example of /pol/ and internet centric thinking. A riot happened there once no it doesn't discount their climate research. If it did every other set would have to be wrong as well given the degree of agreement.

>So go ahead and prove the Earth is warming. You literally cannot
Proxy compilation you've probably seen before in pic related

>>136812194
Not an argument, ignore the retard.

>>136810588
1) Sun emits energy on to the earth's surface.
2) Earth's surface heats up and emits infra red radiation.
3) CO2 molecules (and other greenhouse gases) absorb infra red radiation, emit energy.
4) Emitted energy heats up the atmosphere.
5) Therefore, the more CO2 you have in the atmosphere, the hotter the atmosphere gets.

Q-E-D

>>136825902
If global temperatures increased it would effect the equator (africa) less than it would effect the poles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDK1aCqqZkQ

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>>136810469
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>>136812139
>i live on the seaside now
WTF I love global warming now.

>>136826481
>links crowder

kek he got btfo by based potholer54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrNmq4ouWww

>>136826411

The warmer the weather the less fuel used to heat homes, thus lowering carbon emissions.

The more CO2 in the air the more plants consume CO2, increasing crow yield and lowering CO2 in air

>>136825765
/thread

Climate change is real, it's very much a fact, our climate has changed continually throughout the history of the planet. Man-made climate change to the degree that these government-paid shill scientists promote is where the BS starts to enter the equation.

>>136826668

The man that refused to come on the show even tho he was invited many a times.

>>136826411
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

>>136810469
I deny it too.
Climate change is natural.

>>136812203
Very good. I'm 100% in favor of the development of electricity as fuel in the transportation industry for a multitude of reasons that go well beyond strictly speaking environmental ones.

>>136810469

It's MUTHAFUCKIN problem with our Sun neggers! Get to it!

>>136826381
>reconstructed temperature
And there you go. There are no measurements older than perhaps a hundred and fifty years or so. They have no idea.

When you move a thermometer from an open field or under a tree to the middle of an asphault parking lot or onto a roof with slate tiles, it changes their measurements appreciably. Which is the point.

>every other set would have to be wrong as well given the degree of agreement.
Now you're getting it.

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>>136823551
You are literally too stupid to bother argue with. You have the nerve to cite logical fallacies while ad homming everything you disagree with. KYS immediately.

>>136826411
6) plants consume CO2 and grow like never before, increasing crop yields and oxygen production
7) CO2 levels reach an equilibrium where it stops making the absolute limit of 2°C difference

Yeah, CO2 is shit at heating the planet. Methane is 23x more powerful as a greenhouse gas but you never hear anyone about culling cows.

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>>136826706
Well your assertions aren't backed up by facts.

>>136826762
Not an argument. I've used a deductive argument to show that the greenhouse effect is real. To disprove a deductive argument you need to either:

1) show that one of its premises is false
or
2) show that the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises

levels of ice in the artic have jack shit to do with my argument.

>>136826746
glad to know you didn't watch the video where he explains why he can't be there whenever steph chowder likes

but the debate is on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtqwKaWI22w

>tfw crowder will be intellectually demolished

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>>136827091
>the assertion that plants consume CO2 isn't backed up by facts
>the assertion that warmer homes require less heating isn't backed up by facts
Wew

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I was forcefed global warming was caused by co2 for all of my life. recently it hit me. If mars has an atmosphere with 96 % co2, it actually has a greenhouse effect larger than earth. It might have 100 times less atmosphere, but it is 3000 times the concentration of co2. so.. 30 times more greenhouse effect? no.
Venus, 100 times more atmosphere, 3000 times concentration co2. 300.000 times greenhouse effect? no. closer to 1.5 when you factor in distance from sun.
If you can add 300.000 times more co2 to a planet and the temperature rises 150% percent. Fucking bullshit.

>>136826734
Oh are you a scientist ?

>>136827202
Yes because the graph that i've posted disproves those two assertions, right, right? It doesn't disprove his assertion that CO2 levels will drop because of the plants.

take a philosophy class.

>>136827205
They are the same distance from the sun?

>>136827432
It's pretty much real lol. That's not the debate. It's how bad it will be. Nobody really knows

>>136827453
And I'd like to note how none of the bible belt retards, can dismatle my argument >>136826411

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>>136826985
>There are no measurements older than perhaps a hundred and fifty years or so. They have no idea
There are tree rings and ice cores though whose accuracy can be verified by our current temperature and rainfall records.

>When you move a thermometer from an open field or under a tree to the middle of an asphault parking lot or onto a roof with slate tiles, it changes their measurements appreciably
Yeah thats why you have homogenisation, otherwise known as (((adjustments))). I think I misinterpreted what you initially said but if:

1. A station is moved to a location that has considerably different temperatures
2. Some local influence such as nearby construction site changes temperature dramatically
3. The method or instruments of recording change

Then the data is corrected by taking nearby stations that were historically correlated with the old station location and from these readings adjust temperatures so they fall back into line with their past record. Pic related shows how data can be made almost pristine by this method.

>Now you're getting it.
So every climate research department is radical left?

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>>136827516
No, venus is closer than earth, mars is further away than earth. although not by much.. the radiation is a sqaure law, twice as far away. 4 times less sun etc, but the that just makes the idea that co2 causes global warming even more insane. ( because temperatures fit sort of nicely with distance to the sun, no matter if there is 30 times, or 300.000 times more co2.

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>>136827816
There is no reason to think that tree ring and ice core data that is accurate for modern time is also accurate into the past in the same way. It is also wildly imprecise, and not terribly accurate.

It's good that you admit to changing data to match whatever you want it to match, though. Now you see why it has no validity.

Name a climate science (((department))) that isn't left wing.

>>136826180
>it wasn't thin air, it was nothing. then god, err, i mean, nothing blew up and made everything.
>and this is scientific because observable facts, because einstein was a time traveler or something
I know it's difficult for your low IQ brain to understand, but I'll explain this in the most simplified way possible.

When we look at distant galaxies, we know whether they are moving towards us or away from us by the colour we see. The colour we see depends on the length of the waves we are observing. Short waves give us colours on the blue spectrum, while long waves give us colours on the red spectrum. This is the doppler effect. By this simple observation we were able to deduce that galaxies were moving away from us and that the universe was expanding. Eventually we were able to discover radiation from the early universe, which is something you'd expect to find in retrospect to what I mentioned above.

I won't go into general relativity as it will be too difficult for you to understand, but it suffices to say that it's not consistent with a stagnant universe, only with a dynamic universe.

It's not difficult to deduce from the aforementioned that the universe must have had a beginning. Throwing God into it is just jumping to conclusions due to the lack of a better explanation.

Now fuck off and get sucked off by a priest.

>>136827453
>take a philosophy class
this explains your juvenile understanding of our climate system.

>>136810469
>concrete evidence
>1 post by this ID
>German EU globalist cocksuckah

slide thread

S A G E

>>136827585
Didn't the guy That made that survey didn't get the results he wanted so he cherry picked the data from an even smaller set of scientists? If so I'm pretty sure it's bunk.

>>136827453
It's like we started cutting more forests down than nature can keep up with.

>>136828210
You're not provinding anything of substance to your claim. So opinion disregarded

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>>136828210
>There is no reason to think that tree ring and ice core data that is accurate for modern time is also accurate into the past in the same way
This is the most basic axiom of science, no the physics of water and the mechanisms of trees haven't changed substantially in the past few thousand years

>It's good that you admit to changing data to match whatever you want it to match, though. Now you see why it has no validity.
No if you allowed for things such as construction projects, the biases of various methods etc. to seep into the data THEN the data would be essentially useless. The data is adjusted to account for these things not for what anyone 'wants'.

>Name a climate science (((department))) that isn't left wing.
UAH?

>>136828958
He admits to changing data to suit his models. What more do you want?

Go on, name a climate science (((department))) that isn't left.

>>136810469
Global warming is real guys. I thought it was just a meme but my best friend was walking to school last week and the climate changed so hard on him that he died. We have to do something guys!

>>136829097
He's providing citations, you aren't except an opinion. And the last comment you made is laughable.

>>136829066
Nope, UAH is a university.

You have no idea how ice sitting around for thousands or tens of thousands of years may have changed. It is literally impossible to know. As for trees, they absolutely have changed over time. It's called evolution, you might want to look at it.

Construction projects aren't the issue with moving thermometers. The Osama regime did it on purpose to bias their data. Then you admit that the data is manipulated anyway to say whatever you want it to say. Q.E.D.

>>136829291
Laugh all you want, you're the one with a religious faith based believe in the fantasy of global warming.

>>136828210
science is apolitical dumbfuck

>>136810469
>global warming

It's still called climate change.

>>136810469
The climate is always changing and a little warmth is good for agriculture and the bees
Kys

>>136829410
Why would I have a religious faith on it? I have my doubts, its not a black or white issue.Keep strawmanning though.

>>136828318
>warning people of a slide thread
>200 posts deep.
Yeah you're a little bit late for that one, cupcake

Correction, Eurotrash. We won't deny anything. We will just continue to not give af and enjoy our lives and ridiculous wealth.

You work on getting air conditioning, streetrats.

>>136829365
>You have no idea how ice sitting around for thousands or tens of thousands of years may have changed
What do you suggested happened to ice dozens of meters under?

>As for trees, they absolutely have changed over time. It's called evolution, you might want to look at it.
Over 2000 years? I don't think so.

>The Osama regime did it on purpose to bias their data. Then you admit that the data is manipulated anyway to say whatever you want it to say
Do you have proof of that? Even if that were to be the case it'd be picked up in homogenisation, it would never have any significant impact as shown by >>136827816. The scientists don't want it to say anything the data is just as it is.

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I've never seen a climate model that addressed the effects of the sun and the ambient space.

-The sun's output on earth isn't constant.

-space is about -200F around Earth. Its about -450F further out. So we know that the Earth is losing heat to its ambient space but how much? At what rate?

>>136830039
>I've never seen a climate model

You could have ended right there

>>136815114
>Come up with a viable alternative to oil and you will be one of the richest people on earth

It's called "coal" and the North American continent is made almost entirely of it, beneath a thin layer of soft yellow sandstone.

It can be used to manufacture gasoline, among other things. The Fischer-Tropsch Process is early 20th Century tech. Go read up on the Nobel Prize in chemistry for the year 1930, to whom it was awarded and for what research. Go read up on DuPont ZSM-5 zeolite catalyst.

But this would require hiring Americans at decent wages, and the (((Wall Street banksters))) at that.

It would also require the Uniparty Establishment to tell the envirowackos "no." So it's not going to happen any time soon. (((They))) would rather see civilization collapse and see you hunting rats by candlelight than reopen one closed West Virginia coal mine.

As for "green energy," it's 100% bullshit, and always was. Ever notice that it ALWAYS requires a trillion dollar welfare check from the government to make it work? Where are the private investors, if this shit actually works as advertised? There aren't any, because it doesn't, never did, and never will, from "cold fusion" to "clean coal" to "wind power," it's all bullshit and fraud like Solyndra--a way for politicians like the Kenyan to write a trillion dollar check to his (((cronies))), who declare bankruptcy and flee the country, deducting a few hundred million then writing him back a trillion dollar "soft money" "campaign contribution" check. Follow the money.

Why "Global Warming" is a lie, 1/4

A model that's not predictive? If it isn't predictive, how is it a model? This is, of course, a rhetorical question. In the sciences, we say that a hypothesis must contain a testable proposition, and if isn't testable, it's meaningless noise.

A very bright fellow named Schwarz once said, "Science is mathematical modeling of reality, empirically constrained. Science strives for spareness of form with maximum generality. Science
discards models which make predictions not borne out by reality."

Perhaps more to the point, well. I'm not a bright guy, but I know who a few bright guys are and I can use the Internet to find stuff they say. Anyway, the next time someone tells you that the "Earth's temperature" is rising, remember that Dr. Jerry Pournelle, science fiction author and retired NASA engineer, said:

"in the late 1960’s, I found it difficult to come up with the average skin temperature of an astronaut in a full pressure suit to a one degree F accuracy. I used dime sized thin copper disks with thermocouples soldered to them; we taped them to the astronaut’s skin. We chose back of hand, mid back, mid abdomen, and other such places so that we would have some comparability: the point of the tests was to measure the ventilation systems in the suit. We could measure the air flow of the controlled temperature air we used for ventilation, and the input temperature of that air, so that got another thermocouple from the harness. One of the thermocouples in the 12 thermocouple set went into a carafe of melting ice; the ice had been frozen from distilled water. That gave us a reference temperature accurate to 0.1° F. The thermocouple machine printed what it could see at one minute intervals; when we consolidated the data we sampled those one-minute readings since we didn’t have the data entry capability to use them all for average..."

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>>136811515
>Was icecream as cheap and affordable?

What is the ice age?

Earth's atmosphere, if we indulge the useful fiction that it only goes up 200 kilometers and stops there, is 100 billion cubic kilometers. The spacesuit's volume was one fifth of a cubic meter. The Earth's atmosphere is is 5 * 10^20 times the size of that spacesuit. That's a five followed by twenty zeroes.

If someone says that he knows the Earth's temperature down to one tenth of a degree Celsius, and furthermore claims not merely to know this for the present day but also for centuries and even millennia in the past, and furthermore claims to be able to predict it for centuries into the future, that's pretty impressive and I'm very curious about how the measurements were taken and how the predictive model works. The "climate scientists" get awfully quiet when you ask them those questions, though, and some of them even invoke baroque and bizarre conspiracy theories, accusing you of "shilling" for "Big Oil." ("'Shut up,' he explained.")

Likewise, all of this "global warming" that they claim to have measured is claimed to have arisen by the mechanism of human activity adding to the carbon dioxide levels of the air. We are told that it absorbs infrared radiation. But so does water vapor, in the same frequency bands, and vastly more efficiently, by orders of magnitude. Carbon dioxide concentrations in the Earth's atmosphere are measured in parts per million, water vapor in percentage points. So there are appropriate scientific terms for this kind of claim. One of them is "preposterous."

In my opinion, as someone who took some undergrad science courses at university level long before this began, it's rather simpler than that. You have a group of people calling themselves "climate scientists." Who is and who is not a "climate scientist" isn't clear.

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>>136830557
Dis gonna be good

Why "Global Warming" is a lie, 3/4

You have a group of people calling themselves "climate scientists." Who is and who is not a "climate scientist" isn't clear. The late leader of this group, and creator of the "global warming" meme, one Stephen Schneider, was a mechanical engineer by training, also with some background in high-energy plasma physics, and had no academic training whatsoever in meteorology. When real meteorologists like Anthony Watts dare to point out that the Emperor has no clothes, they're shouted down, shut out, and slandered, because they're "not real climate scientists," and accused of taking bribe money from "the oil companies" by people who live on multi-million-dollar grants that the National Science Foundation gives them to print phony studies in which they declare that we're all doomed unless we go back to the caves, right now.

But what is clear is that the late Dr. Schneider made a very lucrative career for the last four decades of his life out of making wild-eyed predictions that white people had offended Gaia by refusing to live in mud huts and hunt rats by candlelight with flint tools, and were about to suffer a horrendous divine punishment at the hands of Nemesis, Real Soon Now. In the 1970s he predicted an imminent ice age, destroying all civilization in the Northern Hemisphere by 1980. Then in the 1980s he was on the fringes of the hysteria about "acid rain" and the equally nonexistent "hole in the ozone layer."

>>136810469
They need to change the argument and it's name.
Make it about the carcinogens and hundreds of other poisons being dumped into the atmosphere 24/7 for the past 200 years.

Anyone with sense can agree it's not good for the planet or people.
Forget all these politics and little arguments.

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>>136830617
Not something that occurred 4 billion years ago.

Why "Global Warming" is a lie, 4/4

Short science lesson: ozone is a tremendously unstable form of oxygen that arises when ultraviolet radiation from the sun impinges upon the upper layers of the atmosphere, and, absent sunlight--like, during the 6 month long period of darkness in the Arctic and Antarctic--the ozone breaks down almost instantaneously, turning back into normal oxygen, and stays that way until spring and direct sunlight return, at which point ozone is instantaneously produced once again. Anyway, then Schneider returned to what psychiatrists used to call "l'idee fixee" and declared that civilization was about to be destroyed, Real Soon Now, by uncontrolled runaway increases in temperature caused, once again, by selfish ol' Whitey, who had offended the Gods by the unspeakable hubris of thinking mud huts and watching half his children die of cholera before the age of four weren't good enough for him.

The late Dr. Schneider famously admitted in print in an interview with Discover Magazine way back in 1989 that it was all a shuck and jive to terrify the stupid 'Murrican proles into giving up authority over their own lives to "experts" who would make the "right" choices. Search for the phrase "double ethical bind" with your favorite search engine and you can read the words exactly as he spoke them, exactly as they were printed, exactly as ecofanatics have been denying he said, ever since.

Anyway. tl;dr these people are transnational socialists and their claims of "climate change" are pseudoscientific agitprop in the service of an evil, insane, utterly vile ideology. Q.E.D.

>>136824834
I notice you completely ignored the fact that all Co2 based models are shit at predicting warming trends, strongly sudggesting that co2 is NOT the primary factor in global warming. Also, fun fact, we're still in an ice age. We just happen to be in an inter glacial period. there have been five ice ages. The last one occurred just as plants and animals began colonizing the land. All previous ice ages lasted at least 100 million years. We're only 2.5 million years into the current ice age.

>>136830839
Each and every second 310 Kg of toxic chemicals are released into our air, land, and water by industrial facilities around the world.
This amounts to approximately 10 million tons (over 21 billion pounds) of toxic chemicals released into our environment by industries each year.
Of these, over 2 million tons (over 4.5 billion pounds) per year are recognized carcinogens. This amounts to about 65 Kg each second.

Toxic chemicals: substances that can cause severe illness, poisoning, birth defects, disease, or death when ingested, inhaled, or absorbed by living organisms.

>>136825382
The medieval arm period was three degrees warmer than the current average. Civilization did pretty well. The following cooling period coincided with the Dark Ages.

>>136830918
>I notice you completely ignored the fact that all Co2 based models are shit at predicting warming trends,

Because it's not a fact you doofus

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>>136810469

Bitch please...

>>136810469
>>136826428
USA YES!

>>136831111
Damn vikings and their gas-guzzling long boats.

This whole retarded Global Warming debate is a distraction from the reality, that it's not good to dump billions of pounds of toxic chemicals where you live.

>>136826411
Heat causes evaporation.
Evaporation creates clouds.
Clouds block sun.

QED

Global warming debunked.

>>136831984

Except that clouds can block both incoming (shortwave) and outgoing (longwave) radiation. The only thing your post actually demonstrates is that you'd fail meteorology 101.

>>136831984
>Global warming debunked.
See what I mean?
You'll never convince average people the poisons being dumped 24/7 are bad for us with this nonsense.

>>136832202
>That's why its so much hotter on cloudy days than on sunny days

meteorology 102

>>136832202
So, is it hotter or colder when there are clouds?
During daytime, I could swear every single time it's colder.

>>136832701
>>136832719

You could spend your time arguing about things you don't understand, or you can educate yourselves. The choice is yours.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Clouds/

>>136832202
Incoming radiation energy is far greater than the fraction of energy reflected by the surface + blackbody radiation. Blocking both is easily a net cooling effect.

You're dumb and you lose.

>>136811985
>We also don't forget. I remember 20 or 30 years ago, they were telling us that our activities would turn the planet into a solid ice ball if we didn't change our ways.

Literally believing in the propaganda deniers are putting out without any evidence whatsover. Why are Americans truly this delusional? There have been 3 (of thousands articles in the 1960s and 1970s and 1980s suggesting that there will be an ice age in the future... and of those 3, 2 said that because of vast global pollution that leads to a dimming effect which did not materialize as a result of clean air legislation.

>>136832950
Except that the first paragraph says exactly what we said
>it rebounds radiation from the ground while also blocking solar rays
>there's a very close balance but on average, it's cooler
Without detracting from albedo variance between surfaces, cloud altitude and composition (denser vs vapid)

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>>136833421
>Except that the first paragraph says exactly what we said

No it doesn't. Or, to be more specific, it doesn't say what >>136831984 said.

Now that you know that clouds can have both a warming and a cooling effect, it's trivial to realize that assuming that "extra clouds will cancel the CO2 warming)" is obviously too simplistic and incorrect.

>>136813008
the yellow is margin of error

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>>136812139
That's an outright lie and you should feel bad. Within the last thousand years it was hotter than it is now.

>>136834743

You do realize that your pic is not from a study but an illustrative sketch, right? In 1990, they didn't actually know how the temperature of the past millennium changed very well.

>>136814474
Tyvm

>>136810469
I've yet to see any concrete, compelling evidence.

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>>136831984
Not like Co2 you dumb fuck

>>136810469
This. The keto acidosis of modern concrete building foundations provides overwhelming evidence that global warming is real.

Not real. If it was I would be more concerned since people living near the water would flee inland and they're the worst kind of humans.

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>>136830257
>>136830557
>>136830644
>>136830805
GLOBAL WARMING BTFO

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>>136835083
Yet another lie
They didn't just pull this data out of thin air, this was established researched into global climate.
Now only are temperatures not the hottest they've ever been on Earth, we're still in a relatively cool period and nothing that has been posted in this thread has shown that we're deviating from the natural cycle whatsoever. It's just "creative" data cherrypicking to show warming without including past trends. Climate scientists cannot even provide a baseline "normal" temperature that the Earth should be right now because THAT would reveal all the holes in their predictions.

>>136810469
>why don't you believe muh fake science?
>REEeeeEEEE
take your shill shit to /sci and watch the laughter erupt, dumbfuck
kys

>>136836440
>this was established researched into global climate.

And that's why it's referred to as a "schematic diagram", and there is no publication reference, right?

>>136836754
>/sci

Tbqh this nonsense truly belongs in /x/. All global warming threads should be moved there.

>>136836808
Learn the definitions of things:
"A schematic, or schematic diagram, is a representation of the elements of a system using abstract, graphic symbols rather than realistic pictures. A schematic usually omits all details that are not relevant to the information the schematic is intended to convey"

There is no indication whatsoever that it's just a "sketch" and that they "didn't actually know how the temperature of the past millennium changed"

Because if that were the case, if the intergovernmental panel on climate change really didn't know what the temperatures were over the past few thousand, few hundred thousand, or few million years, how could they possibly make any claims about global warming/climate change?

>>136836754
That's a good idea, I wanna see their thoughts on the topic too

Riddle me this. Pretty much every one agrees that our planet had a massive ice age a few thousand years ago and there is evidence to support it. So simple question for you climite change fags. WTF caused it to melt?
Why is it so hard to understand that the climate is always changing its called weather.
Just admit this has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with control and power.

>>136837628
The fact that the climate changes by itself is not something any scientist disagrees with you fucking mouth breather. The climate can change by itself AND be influenced by us.

>>136837250
>how could they possibly make any claims about global warming/climate change?

Because the science behind global warming is based on atmospheric physics, not paleoclimatology. However, it's also worth pointing out that paleoclimatology has advanced considerably since 1990.

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>>136837628
too busy drowning in the "historically unprecedented" rising sea levels.

>>136826411
>And I'd like to note how none of the bible belt retards, can dismatle my argument

>1) Sun emits energy on to the earth's surface.
>2) Earth's surface heats up and emits infra red radiation.
So your assertion is the sun emits energy (heat) onto the planet but that's not what causes the planet to warm it's this other thing which you can't actually prove?

>>136837628
>So simple question for you climite change fags. WTF caused it to melt?

The question you should really ask is why is this not taught in American schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

>>136837865
So if that "atmospheric science" that's based on "greenhouse gases" is so good, why can't it make a single good prediction out of the thousands that have tried modeling it over the past 50+ years?
>>136822628 see pic related for wildly inaccurate predictions superimposed, you can see the vast majority of predictions thought there would be massively more warming than actually occurred. Now why is that? Why do they have to keep tweaking their theory of CO2 warming?

The climate is changing, but the theory that it's being primarily influenced by human's CO2 is absurd and baseless, but they can't stop using it because it brings them money.

>>136837960
>So your assertion

That's not his assertion, that's 19th century physics.

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I'm absolutely certain that if we were to live in the 1970s, the same people you see now desperately trying to shoot down climate science would be talking about how Paul Crutzen and Susan Solomon are lying jews who made up ozone depletion, how the Antarctic ozone hole is completely natural, how ozone concentration has always changed, how it can't be significant because ozone concentration is only around 1ppm and how the Montreal Protocol is a global kike conspiracy to hamstring Western industry and funnel trillions of dollars to niggers and chinks

>>136838240
>inane non argument
>3rd world euroshit country
unpleasant but not unsurprising

>>136838092
" the fit is not perfect, and problems remain reconciling theory with observations"
then it lists 5 big problems, exceptions to the rule.

"the mechanism by which orbital forcing influences climate is not well understood nor definitive"

"Earth is not homogeneous. Milankovitch did not relate Earth's ice ages to the total amount of solar radiation"

"Earth is not inert. Geology affects climate, not just from the heat of the Earth's core, but from changes to the atmosphere caused by volcanic eruptions.[24] Even the configuration of land masses and ice masses changes over time due to continental drift."

>>136838146
>see pic related for wildly inaccurate predictions superimposed,

Dude, that's actually a compilation of mostly successful predictions. Take a look at the 1981 prediction in the lower left corner for example.

>>136838387
>t. kike

inb4 more kikery

>>136838387
nuclear weapons testing blew more holes into the ozone layer in each individual test than all of history's human activity combined

>>136838599
>>see pic related for wildly inaccurate predictions superimposed,
>Dude, that's actually a compilation of mostly successful predictions.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>136838495

The fact that you're not familiar with Stefan–Boltzmann law (1879) is unpleasant but not unsurprising.

My concerns are typically this mindset:
>Can we stop it?
No
>Can we slow it down?
Yes
>Are the damages of mitigation methods worse than the actual effects of global warming?
We shall see

>>136838599
Great, get a bunch of monkeys on a linux keyboard and have them make models of the climate in the future based on "tweaking" the CO2 model, eventually one of them fabricates a graph that actually fits somewhat well... among a solid wall of faulty predictions, the vast majority of which were off by a huge margin...

Yeah that definitely proves that CO2 voodoo is 100% accurate, yep.

>>136839005
>make no argument
>"you presented no argument, retard"
>attempts to make an argument - WOW U DIDNT NO THAT IDIOT?
The only thing I've gleamed from this exchange is euroshit education is as poor as I thought.

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>>136810469
My opinion is that both alarmists and deniers are wrong. CO2 is good for life on Earth. The largest boom in life was during the Cambrian explosion. Which was about 541 million years ago. CO2 levels were 5 times higher then than they are now. Even in the recent past higher temps have lead to more advancement it humanity.

>>136839253

>among a solid wall of faulty predictions, the vast majority of which were off by a huge margin...

Isn't it funny though, that temperature predictions which can be actually referenced to specific scientific papers turn out to be mostly accurate, whereas the "solids walls of faulty predictions" are mostly compilations from random blogs?

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Pay your carbon tax, filthy goyim

>>136839416

I don't know how to explain this to you any better. The part of the post you quoted

>>1) Sun emits energy on to the earth's surface.
>2) Earth's surface heats up and emits infra red radiation.

That's 19th century physics. If you think you can prove this wrong, don't argue with me, or anyone on 4chan. Write it up, publish it in Science or Nature, win a Nobel prize.

>>136839993
I never disagreed with that you moron, I disagreed there was a need to present any further steps.

Once again, euroshit education is abysmal.

>>136839993
Instead of being a faggot you could just say blackbody radiation.

>>136840374

So what is it that you disagree with? This?

>CO2 molecules (and other greenhouse gases) absorb infra red radiation, emit energy.

That's still 19th century physics, you know.