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>>136784483
It would have conquered the world with its master morality. Unfortunately it got lazy and collapsed

>>136784483
It wouldn't have changed much, by the time Rome actually became Christian there were forces working against it and the empire wasn't in the best, most stable position.

>>136785346
Too ethnically diverse, the issue of a nation of conquest is that the conquered will repopulate faster than they assimilate.

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>>136784483
It would have fallen either way.

>>136784483
It would have fallen either way but Europe would have dominated even more due to lack of constraints on scientific knowledge

It would not have gone commie and they would have landed on the moon about a thousand years ago.

>>136784646
>>136788373
Rome literally collapsed because of mass-immigration of violent foreigners that didn't assimilate. Same shit that is happening to the West today.

It all went downhill when that German named Otto became King of Italy.

>>136784483

Then man would have loved man as nature intended.

Homopaganism is the natural state of eurooe. At least two of the Roman Emperors were in same-sex unions; and in fact, thirteen out of the first fourteen Roman Emperors held to be bisexual or exclusively homosexual. The first Roman emperor to have married a man was Nero, who is reported to have married two other men on different occasions. First with one of his freedman, Pythagoras, to whom Nero took the role of the bride, and later as a groom Nero married a young boy to replace his young teenage concubine whom he had killed named Sporus in a very public ceremony... with all the solemnities of matrimony, and lived with him as his spouse. A friend gave the "bride" away "as required by law." The marriage was celebrated separately in both Greece and Rome in extravagant public ceremonies. The Child Emperor Elagabalus referred to his chariot driver, a blond slave from Caria named Hierocles, as his husband.

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>>136789480

Fuck you. This is what centuries of (((Christian))) occupation has turned you into.

Your ancestors knew true love could only exist between men. Alexander conquered the known world. Men are made to love men. This is particularly true in the case of Sparta, where the relationship was intended to further a young boy's military training. While the relationship was generally lifelong and of profound emotional significance to the participants, it was not considered marriage by contemporary culture, and the relationship continued even after participants reached age 20 and married women for the purposes of procreation.

>No mention of how splitting the Empire in two was the true beginning of the end

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>>136789588
>using platonic "love" as an argument for faggotry
>semantic arguments
>bad semantic arguments

>>136789868

Notice how the (((Christian))) can't address any of the actual arguments in this thread, so he now attempts to detail the thread and cause pagan to fight pagan.

Answer this, you fucking kike worshippingcuck, why in Plato's Symposium, did the interlocutor Phaedrus commented on the power of male sexual relationships to improve bravery in the military?

>... he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of his lover cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born

Bet you ignore this don't you, you fucking christcuck

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>>136785890
>American education

>>136790089
they wore dresses, what'd you expect? The greeks were fucking fags, man.
>free time - contraceptives
boom, brazil

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>>136790440

Once again I see you can't argue with any of the facts I post, including sources and eye witness accounts of glorious homopaganism, so your resort to calling me a (((Christcuck)))

Not very Christian if you, you should pray to Yahweh for forgiveness.

I'll be over here imbibing my bothers seed for strength, as is the natural state of the European man.

>>136789868

Hurr durr he used the term "lover" which must mean he meant they were sexually involved. Hurr durr a wise Roman faggot once said ____, therefore sodomy is natural. Checkmate, faithful Christians.

>>136790874

You can't argue with facts (((Christcuck))). Homosexuality is a beautiful tradition between warriors. Greeks structured military units along tribal lines, a practice attributed to Nestor in the Homeric epics. The Theban military commander Pammenes, however, is supposed to have advocated military organization based on pairs of lovers

>Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe ... he should have joined lovers and their beloved. For men of the same tribe little value one another when dangers press; but a band cemented by friendship grounded upon love is never to be broken.

These warrior lovers were feared by all until your kike (((Christianity))) used subterfuge to co-opt them.

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>>136790698
>so your resort to calling me a (((Christcuck)))
what

Have fun getting plowed in the ass by big black men. Can't wait to see you physically removed when the time comes, faggot.

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>>136791161


Once again another fucking Christcuck post with no substance.

Had your countrymen imbibed strength from each other as the allfather taught, or joined bands of lover warriors, they would have been unstoppable.

But they didn't, they escrowed the true nature of the European man, they denied the very Homosexuality that made them great in the first place, and they died.

Never had a better arguement for homopaganism been made that the cuck nation that is Sweden.

You reap what you sow, (((Christian)))

>>136784483
Rome would've fallen anyway, except this time there would've been no Catholic Church to keep ancient texts, but then libraries wouldn't be burnt.

As a mix of no ancient texts for monks to copy and no libraries being burnt it probably would've turned out the same as our timeline in terms of knowledge.

Problem is the Pope promised peasants that they would go to heaven if they fought in the first crusade. Since almost everyone in Europe had different gods Europe may have become like 20% Muslim.

Basically Rome would've fallen, everything from the Seljuk Turks and afterwards would be completely different.

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>>136791373
>denied homosexuality

>>136784483
It's fall was inevitable. Religious conversion wasn't anywhere close to being a big factor as to why Rome fell. The same thing would have still occurred if Rome remained pagan.

>>136791559

There is nothing stronger than warriors standing in sexual fraternity with one another.

>>136791373
>they denied the very Homosexuality that made them great in the first place, and they died
This has to be bait

>>136789868
Spartans were very gay my dude

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>>136784483
What if Constantine the Great hadn't fallen ill?

>>136790089
Retard, jews teamed with pagan greeks against christians.

>>136784483

What happens if a man fails to progress to adulthood?

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>>136789336
No, it went downhill when a North-African became emperor and made all free men outside of Italy citizens of the emperor.

>>136791885
And they left nothing.

>>136791849
You're a fucking pussy bitch boy.

>>136791872

Fuck off. There is a real Paganism and it involves brother loving brother. You Christ cuck shills are afraid of the incredible power of homosexuality, and that why your kike forefathers used subterfuge to destroy pagan Europe.

>>136791896
>What if Constantine the Great hadn't fallen ill?
>"Fallen ill"
Nice bluepill.

>>136791982
Still figuring that part out.

>>136792020
By that point everyone and their mothers already had citizenship.

>>136792143

(((Christian shill))), Homosexuality is the true state of the European male. In Hellenic Greece, the pederastic relationships between Greek men (erastes) and youths (eromenos) were similar to marriage in that the age of the youth was similar to the age at which women married (the mid-teens, though in some city states, as young as age seven), and the relationship could only be undertaken with the consent of the father.

Using this foundation as a building block for a strong life, warrior lovers shaped Europe more than any other force in history.

>>136792020

Rome went downhill after they defeated Carthage

>>136792325

Uh huh, and how many male friends do you have with that attitude? Also how many children have you molested, degenerate pedophile scum?

>>136789347
>homosexuality is a tradition and not a mental illness
>proceeds to name the two most unstable, borderline bipolar retard emperors

Could have at least said Hadrian. In Rome boys were an option, but every self respecting Roman was with a woman. They were not, after all, eastern philanderers. And if you were fucking a boy, you had to be on the top. Taking it is disgraceful. Not only that but it was only intercrural sex as well, or between the thighs. Having sex with dudes is a modern psyop

>>136792325
Got it, fuck off now disgusting fag.

>>136792412

There is nothing more beautiful than draining the semen out of your battle brothers cock, swallowing it, and gaining his strength. I won't be judged by your fucking standard you filthy (((chrsitcuck)))

Your time ends soon.

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>>136784483
>mfw Pagans were the original faggots

>>136792456

Women were just for procreation, (((Christcuck))). Spartans had the women shave their heads and had to bend over in a dark room so the virile warrior didn't see her disgusting femininity.

A man can never love a woman. Not really.

>>136784483
Listen up faggots.

Rome collapsed because it allowed the Goths to come in as refugees. The Goths then became part of the Roman military force, however the Goths did not assimilate and share the same values as Romans. Lots of infighting began and break downs of government commenced thereafter.

Rome died because it diversified.

>>136792616

Yes. And that's why your kike ancestors feared us. Brother loving brother and sharing strength through seed is an unstoppable force.

That's why your forefathers used subterfuge to end pagan tradition.

>>136792558

>Your time ends soon.

Oh shit, you're right. I just heard some Village People music start to play outside. Why are you doing this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINoUyrP0BI

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The state religion was such a joke that soldiers and citizens turned to eastern mystery cults en masse.

>>136792558
>>136792834

Also holy shit, I never realised just how fucking gay that song is

>>136792692
>ad hom
>sharpshooter/examples/appeals to emotion

yea listen just because you're gay doesn't mean everyone else has to be

>>136792796
>And that's why your kike ancestors feared us
Pffft, I'm Scottish you nut gargling faggot, we kicked your ass so bad you had to build a fucking wall. Keep dreaming about Pleteus' colon shitdick.

>>136793052

Your desert cult blinds you to what your ancestors knew, (((Christcuck))). Man was made to love man.

>>136792796

Homosexuals are in the same circle of hell in Dante's Inferno as the usurers are. It's because homosexuals take sex, which should be fertile, and make it sterile, while usurers take money, which should be sterile, and make it fertile.

Basically, die faggot.

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>>136792796
>admitting that paganism is literally gay as fuck
It ended because you were a bunch of savages on par with African tribes. Good riddance

>>136793310

Hell is a (((Christian))) invention. When I die I will be with my battle brothers in the bathhouses of Valhalla, sharing seed with my ancestors.

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>>136784646
That looks like the Mexican flag nerd.

>>136789336
Basically this. Caracalla made everyone a citizen and it didn't fucking matter anymore. Then there was a the geographic split between east and west. The bonds of social cohesion broke down, and then the [aryan master race] living in their [crystal underground palaces] invaded, spreading [culture and science]. The rest is history.

>>136793451
Why are you still listening to an obvious shill? Are you new here?

>>136793965

>Shill

Oh look, another DandC Christ cuck.

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>>136794097
Why are you false flagging as a heathen? Oh wait, I just remembered. Pic related.

>>136792344
>Leaf
>Knowledge
Pick one

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>>136793965
What about the part where Roman miles became worshipers of Mithras and Set while the nobiles joined the cult of Isis?

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>>136784483

Then Rome wouldn't have fallen to Christ cuckoldry.

Sand nigger religions are cancer.

>>136788373
Why does this essay separate the empire from the republic tho?

>>136794640
Explains why the Christian East survived it's Western counterpart for more than 1000 years. Also the Germanic barbarians were more zealous Christians than the Western Romans. they were largely Arian Christians.

>>136784483
That picture though.

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>>136792325
>Homosexuality is the true state of the European male.

>>136794640

>implying Roman religion hadn't already fallen into decadence thus allowing Christianity to gain a foothold

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>>136794933

Sure, if you can call this chaos and utter failure survival. A heart attack is a state of survival too.
Sand nigger religions are cancer.

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>>136794334
Ha, accurate impossible choice

>>136794535
What about it? There were plenty of other tribal and regional religions. I'm not sure any of those had a significant impact on the degradation of the Imperium at all. Isis worshippers were dicking around with honeycombs and speeches on fertility as far as I know. The cult of Set never transmitted outside the areas it had already transmitted to prior to Rome's expansion. The Mithraic cults could have been a contender for primacy with Christianity, but it just didn't work out enough. I blame the shortage of cave consistency throughout Europe. I personally believe Mithraism was universalist to appeal to a large number of people but not as pacifistic as Christianity.

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>>136795154
The ERE was far more advanced and prosperous than Republic and Imperial Rome.

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>>136795016
its from Rome 2 total war i think

>>136795553
That's factually correct, idiot.

>>136784483
The worst genocide wouldn't have happened.

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>>136794097
>duR//1Pc
>15 posts by this ID
Pay attention, Heathens. This is what is behind the "will to power" neopagan trash that infests /pol/ - pure faggotry. Your forefathers excelled because of Christian truth lost to modern degeneracy

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>>136796078
Nice to see someone who's not historically illiterate.

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>>136789588
G@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

>>136796215
Abrahamic Faiths are all remixes of Pagan beliefs. European culture didn't not hinge on Christendom until the First Crusade. Read a fucking general history book, or better yet, just read "How the West Won". I fucking hate nu-pol fags.

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>>136796215

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>>136796498
Basically, you're right.

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>>136794933
You are talking to imbeciles who don't understand the Roman empire existed for another thousand years (longer than the pagan Republic) under Christian rule. These are imbeciles who justify everything to themselves through the lens of their degenerate, culture destroying vices. They can't even cope with the truth of secular historians let alone the divine truths that have sustained western civilization for many centuries

>>136793495
Why deny a religion that has an incredible amount of evidence for some pagan fantasy?

>>136784483
It did stay Pagan. They tried to control and suppress Christianity by calling themselves the church, but kept the same festivals and idols.

The Vatican is the Whore of Babylon
The Bible is their enemy. They tried to censor it.

God bless the enemies of Rome

>>136796772
>opens up evidence
>starts to read
>full of people called Isaac, Ezekiel, Abraham, Moses...etc,etc
Why worship foreigners?

>>136796498
Go ahead, tell me you've never had sex with a man. You are filth, that's why the truth of the Christ is impenetrable to your sick mind

>>136784483
We would all be either muslim or buddhist

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>steal everything
>claim everyone else stole it

kill them
literally fucking kill them and their families

if you dont know who im talking about there is no hope for you

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>>136796704
Rome died. Face the facts. Nothing was truly Roman about the Byzantians.
>Religion is Jewish
>Language is a hodgepodge of Latin and Greek derivatives and local languages. Greek grammar superimposed over Latin as time goes on.
>Most people aren't Roman or from the peninsula.
>Institutions were Roman in name only. One infamous senate house was mistaken for a private estate by historians for nearly a millennia afterward. It was never used for a senate of any kind.

>>136796704
The Roman Empire is basically summed up as a "hiccup". They didn't contribute much to European Society or advancement. The so called barbarians were much more advanced technology wise with navigation and farming, important shit don't you think? I'm starting to think you're all so jaded cause you misinterpret Hitler's first Reich as the SPQR and not the Holy Roman Enpire. It wouldn't surprise me if you made such a retarded mistake.

>>136796990
>ad hominem

>>136784646
rome still exists you faggot

>>136784483
It still would have collapsed.
Rome and libertas died the day Caesar crossed the Rubicon.

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>>136796990
Pagans stand against degeneracy

>>136790089
Actually this makes sense. Soldiers would be motivated to fight much harder knowing that they were defending their comrades, who were also their lovers. Every battle is like fighting to defend your family.

Rome is pagan..

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>>136797261
There's nothing wrong with an ad hominem if your character is subject to intellectual failure or insight.

>>136797205
>"didn't contribute"

This must be bait. They had a formula for concrete that wasn't rediscovered until the 1930's. They built with volcanic ash and salt water because of it's endurance-we're just now learning the chemical properties behind it. Not to mention political development, or the engineering they built upon from the Greeks(upgraded ballista from earlier Greek Scorpio's, upgraded bathhouses,etc)

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>>136797558
How was there any evidence in that passage that it was lovers among troops? Did I miss something?

And no, troops fucking each other is not good for esprit d'corps or professionalism.

>>136784483
Christianity = we behaved
No Christianity = our society has collapsed.

Very very simple.

>>136797783
Why can't you put together your own arguments instead of just pulling bullet points off of Wikipedia? You seriously need to re-establish your way of thinking when it comes to European advancement and who contributed what was really important at different time periods. I seriously can't believe you believe that the political system of Rome is anything to be proud of.

>>136795311
No, it wasn't. One post-collapse Italian (Milan, Venice, Provence, Florence...) city was more advanced and prosperous than ERE.

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>>136797971
Let's logic this out:
>Rome was mightier during the Republic and Principate periods, when it's state religion was enforced. That alone created social cohesion.
>Other non-Christian societies advanced, notably the Chinese, without major Christian presence(assuming the Manichaeans in the south west qualify as properly Christian).

>>136797962

Homosex was prevalent in the Roman Military, that's a known fact regardless of that passage. It was a practice copied from the Macedonian Military, who copied it from the Spartan Military, who copied it from Phoenician military, who copied it from Persians military, who copied it from Hittite Military, who copied it from Assyrian Military, who copied it from Babylonian military, who copied it from Sumerian Military.

It is still practiced in modern militaries, hence all the weird sex and 'initiation' rituals that go around.

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>>136798289
Is that why Venice which was former territory of the ERE was so envious of Constantinopolis riches that it backstabbed them?

>>136798429
What about the Samnites and Socii?

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>>136798242
I haven't looked at wikipedia for this. I've always loved Roman history. I took Latin classes in High School, last book on the subject I read was SPQR by Mary Beard.

If I'm telling you something, other anons are telling you something, wikipedia is telling you something, maybe there's something. Maybe we're all crazy

>>136798475
Holy fuck are you retarded. Maybe I missed something, because in the five generations continuous my families been in the military we've shared hazing stories and ideas and never crossed that line.

Are you the other anon switching user id's? I find this very hard to believe anyone would say something like that without significant proof. The Athenians were one of the few examples where it was common, and only for a short time actually. Porking one's battlebuddy confers no benefit, and only risks ruining a unit's cohesion and respect for authority and positions when individuals are promoted. Not to mention shaming or gossip, or any of the other bullshit that comes from fucking a coworker.

Are you trolling? I need to know because there's really no way you can't be

>>136798741
What about them?

>>136798656
You should be asking yourself why a small city-state which ever achieved little colonial territory able to turn on ERE if it was as mighty as you say?

EREboo btfo

>>136798656
Byzantines were themselves envious and jealous of the success of Italian merchants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins

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>>136799104
Maybe because it was bearing the full brunt of Islamic aggression and it's riches attracted the eyes of venal men who's only god was mamon.

>>136799302
>"They were bearing the brunt of Islamic aggression"
>If they were so great, building in pic would still have cross on it and they wouldn't have relied on foreigners for protection

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>>136797532
Sure buddy.
You can delude yourself all you want with your autistic facebook/Discord group of friends.
Outside your group of autistic LARPers, Paganism is the most degenerate and irrelevant group there is.

>>136793310
2nd circle of Hell?

>>136799268
They were foreign interlopers filling their own pockets at the expense of the ERE. They enjoyed a state sanctioned monopoly through intimidation of a weak emperor. What man wouldn't harbor resentment towards foreign parasites sucking at their nation's life's blood?

>>136799716
>surprised majority wiccans are pro LGBT
>"why are all these high openness low conscientiousness female target demographic so in love with degeneracy and weirdness??"
>Doesn't differentiate between the Post-modern cuck 'pagan' new ageists and those that blood eagle

We'd simply end up replacing Jesus with Mithras, considering the Mithras cult was also a big factor in Rome at the time, especially among the military.

>>136799716
https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/08/09/bishop-calls-homosexuality-gift-god-seeks-end-prejudices-kill/

I'm getting really tired of christcucks advancing the gay agenda.

>"Gayness is gift from god"

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>>136799874
B-b-b-b-but that's not real Paganism.
You faggot LARPers are like communists.

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>>136800352
>Christians are largely bluepilled leftists
>anon sticks in his pol echo chamber and never faces this fact

PS, I'm not a pagan.

>>136798925
>Holy fuck are you retarded.

No, but I'm actually an Archaeologist who works on the Ancient Mediterranean and Far East civilisations, so fuck your opinion.

>Maybe I missed something, because in the five generations continuous my families been in the military we've shared hazing stories and ideas and never crossed that line.

Ooh nice avoiding you did there. It happens in the higher up tiers, but desu it's dropped dramatically since women have enlisted.... ;)

>Are you the other anon switching user id's?

No... lol

>I find this very hard to believe anyone would say something like that without significant proof.

There is a lot a proof, in ways people don't think. Yea there are reports but there is also evidence of STDs and other shit. They had a different view of sex though, they were really bisexual with strict heterosexual families. They used gay sex as an act of kinship, especially oral sex. Butt-fucking was more of a submissive-dominance thing.

>The Athenians were one of the few examples where it was common, and only for a short time actually

No... Macedonians, Spartans, Athenians, Minoans/Mycenaeans, Phrygians, Phoenicians, Persians, Hittites etc.

>Porking one's battlebuddy confers no benefit, and only risks ruining a unit's cohesion and respect for authority and positions when individuals are promoted.

As I said, different conception of sex, it wasn't even considered sex as sex back then meant 'fertilisation'. Apparently it raised morale, according to documents.

>Are you trolling? I need to know because there's really no way you can't be

Non, archaeologus verus sum

>>136800674
>reddit spacing
>reddit language
>is clearly a faggot
Fuck off retard.

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>>136800352
Have fun worshipping Jews you bitter faggot.

>>136785346
It would. Christianity abolished slavery. Slavery played a big role in Roman's economy.

With a strong economy, Roman army would've not needed help from the germanic tribes to fend off other germanic tribes.

Germanic tribes would've not settled in the Roman territory and their infighting would've not affected the romans.

A strong Roman empire would've meant Islam would've not been able to spread past the Arabic peninsula.

Europe would've been 500-1000 years more technologically advanced than under the opression of the church

Latin would still be the lingua franca

>>136800737
LOL

Nah I hate rebbit, I just have some mild form of OCD

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>>136800674
>No, but I'm actually an Archaeologist who works on the Ancient Mediterranean and Far East civilisations, so fuck your opinion.

If that were true, you'd refute my points by using facts instead of getting triggered. There's literally no evidence or reason to believe this is true, by the way.

>Ooh nice avoiding you did there. It happens in the higher up tiers, but desu it's dropped dramatically since women have enlisted.... ;)

So no evidence, back out of your claim that it's prevalent, then assume none of us were/are officers. Where to start here?

>There is a lot a proof

Where...? And good proof. Don't cite huffpo or something self-evidently poor.

>and other shit

That sounds like technical archaeological terminology. Oh wait no, it sounds like a bullshitter on 4chan hopelessly aiming to win an argument about how all men throughout time buttfuck one another to professionalize their forces. Think this through m8.

>according to documents

Where........................?

>different conception of sex

The argument isn't sex. It's professionalism and association in the military. I'm going to guess you're actually still in high school. Junior year.

>Non, archaeologus verus sum

Yes, I'm easily impressed by google translate. I only wish it had Latin when I took classes.

>No... Macedonians, Spartans, Athenians, Minoans/Mycenaeans, Phrygians, Phoenicians, Persians, Hittites etc.

"I WILL REPEAT MYSELF UNTIL YOU BELIEVE ME"- the post.

>>136800737
Also this. Good eval.

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>>136801229
>Nah I hate rebbit, I just have some mild form of OCD

Self diagnosing hypochondriac. Faggot confirmed.

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>>136801229
But I did you a solid and tried to format anyways. Take it or leave it

>>136800674
You are entirely wrong and also a faggot. What is it with you people and revising history to make yourselves seem more normal?

>>136789347
>falling for jewish propaganda
Greatest goy

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The religious practices of the late Roman Empire were mostly dominated by mystery cults that had replaced the classical pantheon of national gods. The political power of these cults was minimal and that was the intent, since they were apolitical in nature. Religion and politics was disassociated with each other in a sense that the religious side wasn't allowed to take any influence on the political side, saving the potentates from criticism by religious figureheads. Their sole purpose was to function as a pillar of the national order by presenting offerings to their respective godly forces in the name of the emperor.
What they basically did was to immunize themselves from criticism by religion. They built their ideological Tower of Babel and wondered why they died a slow and painful death. Not very surprisingly atheism fulfills the same function nowadays and we witness the same thing again. Anyone who is against a strong christian voice in these times is helping in digging the grave of western civilization.

>>136802284
I'm pro Christian. I'm also pro Heathen, and sometimes pro Pagan.

Why is it Christians here have a problem with that, and the other groups do not? The universalist, pacifistic one of all of them?

>>136802536
Pagans and heathens in general are apolitical movements without a well systemized, established, and functioning moral doctrine. Supporting those groups is the same as pointing out where the good goy should go to. An apolitical religious system is the best indicator that a society has lost it's way.
>Trusating politicians over priests with morals, lol.

>>136802536

Because of the three groups you mentioned, only Christians believe in one single God. So no shit.

And Christianity isn't pacifistic, but it also isn't warmongering.

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>>136784483

They wouldnt have become less racist, stayed disciplined and wouldnt have focused on the afterlife, but the power on earth as it always was with them.

That being said, the racism wouldnt have let the mass immigration from the northern germans happened, when attila started raiding them.

>muh be good to everyone cost doesnt matter

Fucking christians with their sklavenmoral.

>>136803548
>Fucking christians with their sklavenmoral.

I hear that argument coming often from Muslims. Did you know that Hitler secretly sucked muslim cok while he had to bow to Christianity openly? This should tell you all you need about the distribution of power.

>>136788373

>human race

Go fuck yourself.

There are good points in there, but the picture comes to the wrong conclusion and the writer is obviously biased.

>>136803760
>There are good points in there, but the picture comes to the wrong conclusion and the writer is obviously biased.

>Alan ends his review with a long quotation from T. E. Lawrence, in which he reflects on what role a foreigner may play, and prays God that "men will not, for love of the glamour of strangeness, go out to prostitute themselves and their talents in serving another race", but will let them "take what action or reaction they please from [his] silent example".

from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bagot_Glubb

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>>136784646

>master morality

Because diddling little boys for fun is totally the gold standard for morals.

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>>136790089
>cause pagan to fight pagan.
...swordfightin' in another pagan's mouth, it seems. But at least you are honest about it.

>>136801106
2/3 of the West was conquered under Islam during that time. Europe was being colonized by Islam. Europe is now being colonized by Islam today.

>>136788373
this
The inherent problems in the Roman Empire had already gotten out of hand by the time it adopted Christianity. If anything Christianity was probably used as a bandage trying to regain control of a civilization which had spiraled into decadence.

>>136791373
This guy is shitposting on another level. This could have been a great thread, asshole.

>>136784483
>What if ...
>...Rome had stayed pagan ?

Nothing would have changed since Rome was fucked during the III century. Almost whole century of inner strife, external war, chronic instability and immense monetary devaluation. All of these factor froze the trade and the commerce of the Empire, plunging it into poverty.
When Diocletian came into power there were entire provinces that had reverted to BARTER instead of currency. Most goods never even left the producing province.

At the time of Constantine, it was already no longer possible to save Rome as it was, unless you had another chain of perfect luck and rulers.
If anything, it's amazing that Diocletian first and Constantine later managed to steady it and bring it a bit more energy for its last breaths. Julian was a great Emperor as well, but the gig was over.

Ah, by the way: Diocletian and the Tetrarchs had tried their best to stamp out Christianity with large scale persecutions and genocide. Regardless of your stance towards it, it was one of their biggest mistakes. Why?
Simply because it caused tens of thousands of victims, loyal romans included, and inner damages. Thus it hugely reduced the effect of the Tetrarchy itself to restore stability.

Tl;dr:
Learn history, pick up books, stop spewing memes or you are as bad as the BBC 'wewuzkangzism'

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>>136800352
btfo

>>136792558
Fuck, it's the current year. That's all that matters to you fags, but somehow you want to drag paganism down with it.
Go be a timelord, fag.

>>136784483
Wouldn't of mattered. Rome had long abandoned its strong ideals and beliefs that made it great by the time the Empire rolled around.

>>136789336
>mass-immigration of violent foreigners that didn't assimilate

Is that what we're calling being sacked by an invading army trained and supplied by the Romans?

>>136784483

If Rome had stayed pagan, we would have colonised the Milky Way galaxy by now.

*tips fedora*

>>136784646
>It would have conquered the world with its master morality. Unfortunately it got lazy and collapsed
this is wrong, after Trajan no Roman emperors were trying to expand the empire any further. it had already reached its maximum possible size, Hadrian even went so far as to downsize it, conquering more territories just led to blowout costs and impossible to defend borders. it had nothing to do with Christianity and much more to do with practical reality.

the Roman empire was a Tower of Babel, its collapse was inevitable under its massive weight. it's a miracle it lasted as long as it did, it ought to have been annihilated many many centuries prior like all the other wannabe empires, but the Romans were made of something truly special. however this became ever more dilute after Carthage was sacked.

>>136784483
They would have stayed pragamtic enough to kill and conquer ther enemies and eventually devolve into a bunch of waring states like China.

Some emperor would do the exact same thing as emperor Konstantin and create a state religion called not!Christianity.

>>136803548
>NEETsche

The Roman Empire's decline began long before Christianity gained any real traction. Pagan worship had already been in precipitous decline for decades when Constantine made Christianity the official state religion. As another poster said, it had already been almost totally dissociated from government. (Even if he didn't privately believe in the gods himself, a first-century roman emperor wouldn't have dared to do what Constantine did, because his power was largely legitimised via pagan religious institutions - it was only the collapse of those institutions that prompted/allowed Constantine to try and replace them with something else.)

The Romans had been allowing barbarians to settle within the empire since the 3rd century, and the heartland of the western empire had been in decline since the late 2nd century. The west had also experienced major blows to its strength and authority that saw full scale rebellions (like the Gallic Empire) and severe weakening of its economy
long before Christianity was anything other than a fringe religion in a few provinces. The eastern empire was engaged in constant wars with Persia
and had to deal with a shit ton of its own problems too.

Rome was already irretrievably fucked long before Christianity was even a real force - largely due to overreaching the limits of organisational scale that allowed it to sustain itself and maintain traditional community organisation and norms. The adoption of Christianity was more or less a desperate attempt to re-assert a unifying spiritual authority and driving principle, and 'slave morality' is the brainchild of a rambling spergy failure.

>>136804341
According to Islam it is.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2013/07/10/routine-child-rape-by-afghan-police/