Black people can be good mathematicians.

>>136777656
Amigo, por que esta tan obsessionado con los negros?

>>136777656
Yet they never even invented the wheel or a written language, not even close to mathematics.

>>136777656

Jazz is the one good thing negroes have contributed to society.

>>136777910
Too bad they gave up on it and started talking to a beat

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>>136777656
Sure they can. They are so good at bringing down everything around them, being tax sponges, and creating crime rates so incredible they have stagnated their growth rate in the US despite spitting out children as fast as rabbits.

If anything they are masters of negativity. We should just refer to them as "imaginary people" or "i" since thy are the root of everything negative in the world. Plus they aren't real people anyway.

>>136777656
>The intelligence of musicians like Mozart is comparable to that of mathematicians like Gauss
fucking wrong.

Music theory itself is not at all mathematically complicated. What makes good music difficult to create is that you have to develop your musical expression, like a person learning a language (indeed, studies show that the language, not math, part of the brain is activated when musicians perform).

Wind instruments make this process quite a bit easier, because you have to "hum" every note and you can connect the voice in your head with the physical production of that sound much more quickly.

>>136777656

Did that nigger invent the saxophone? kys.

>>136777656
When black people aren't systemically oppressed, they exceed white intelligence. White people are afraid to truly integrate and become second-class citizens.

>>136777656
WE WAS mathematicians N SHIET

>>136777656
I don't think people are denying blacks can contribute to society. But the problem lies with culture, not race. The gang culture affects mostly black areas. It's a culture problem, not a race problem.

>>136777656
>Blacks developed Jazz
Louie and duke were pop stars. That's it.

Jazz invented by Whiteman and Grofe. Gershwin the jew served as the useful idiot to play it.

>>136778502
No but he played it the best

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>>136777656
WE

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>>136778449
Mozart memorized and notated the Miserere after listening to it a single time. The pope and his choir were the only people permitted to perform/see the piece.

Read it and weep bigots
DVORAK SAID:
"I am now satisfied that the future music of this country must be founded upon what are called the Negro melodies. This must be the real foundation of any serious and original school of composition to be developed in the United States. When I first came here last year I was impressed with this idea and it has developed into a settled conviction. These beautiful and varied themes are the product of the soil. They are American. . . . In the Negro melodies of America I discover all that is needed for a great and noble school of music. . . . There is nothing in the whole range of composition that cannot be supplied with themes from this source."

And if you don't know who Dvorak is your opinion doesn't fucking matter

>>136777910
They have brains for music.
The way their minds can process it, their rhythm, their musical creativity...it's unreal.

If I was black I would be furious at what has happened to black music. Jazz is still there, but I don't know any young people who listen to it. Is jazz dying?

>>136780903
Some kike faggot, by the sound of his name.

Nothing wrong with blacks btw.


However, the breakthrough concepts that created bebop, were borrowed by Charlie Parker from Stravinsky.

Jazz would have never come about without the contributions of both blacks and Europeans. People who disagree, simply don't know their music history, or are willfully ignorant.

>>136777656
the military considers musical ability equal to mathematical ability, same section of the brain express both so if you have talent in one you have talent in the other

Examples of cranial capacity

Apes

Orangutans: 275–500cm3(16.8–30.5cuin)Chimpanzees: 275–500cm3(16.8–30.5cuin)Gorillas: 340–752cm3(20.7–45.9cuin)

Early Hominids

Homo sapiens sapiens: 1,496.5cm3(91.32cuin)Homo neanderthalensis: 1,427.2cm3(87.09cuin)Homo heidelbergensis: 1,262.8cm3(77.06cuin)Homo erectus soloensis: 1,155.8cm3(70.53cuin)Homo erectus: 1,092.9cm3(66.69cuin)Homo habilis: 610.3cm3(37.24cuin)Australopithecus africanus: 491.2cm3(29.97cuin)Australopithecus afarensis: 445.8cm3(27.20cuin)

Human races, not corrected for body size[27]

Asians: 1,491cm3(91.0cuin)Europeans: 1,441cm3(87.9cuin)Africans: 1,338cm3(81.6cuin)

>>136781129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETNoPqYAIPI

There you go dipshit. I bet you even like this and know it.

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>>136777656


Lol. Be serious

>>136777656
Trane was a junkie.

Just like wife-beatin Miles.

Wes Montgomery sucked - couldn't even sight read.

Anything relevant of jazz at all came from Whites.

>>136777656
Holy fuck I am SO VEHEMENTLY SICK AND TIRED OF WHATEVER I DO BEING COMPARED WITH BLACK POTENTIAL OR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. NO MORE SAYING WHAT I AM DOING IS WHAT THE BLACK MAN DID XXXX YRS AGO. HONESTLY IT IS SO OLD AND TIRED AND MONTONOUS I CANNOT TAKE IT ANYMORE. >I become interested in skateboard and do a kickflip within a week
>1 week 2milliseconds later posted on 4chan "CURRENT NEWS BLACK MEN INVENTED THE WHEEL AND THE 4 WHEEL AND THE WAGON AND THE CAR THAT MEANS WHATD YA KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT THEY INVENTED THE DAM SKATEBOARD IN HOLY SHIT BACK IN LIKE 125 A.D. AND HAVE BEEN LANDING 900s OFF OF DINOSAURS SINCE.THEN. TONY HAWK IS ACTUALLY A REINACTMENT/REINCARNATION/MISINTERPRETATION OF THE TRUE ORIGINAL SKATEBOARDER BONY BLAWK WHO WAS 109% ULTRAHYPERPURE BLACKHOLE AFRICAN SO GIVE UP SKATEBOARDING KID ITS THE BLACK GUYS THING
-literally anything I ever attempt

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>>136777656
>The intelligence of musicians like Mozart is comparable to that of mathematicians like Gauss

>>136781916
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_wilson_todays_rap_is_more_innovative_than_todays_rock.html

>>136782341
>said by a white cuck

dude looks like he raises his wifes son

>>136782341
That's cause rock turned into pussified alternative for white betas

>>136780903
>A white guy believed this, so all whites must accept it as truth.
A muslim believed in jihad, so all muslims must accept it as truth. Choose one.

>>136782153
Honestly do not EVER compare what I'm doing with my life to a fucking nigger again or I'll find your weasels nosy brown nosed nerdy 4eyed ass and bash your fucking face in and see you laugh like a little Xbox bitch when your face is all bloody

>>136781937
So was Charlie Parker, Chet baker, and a whole host of incredible musicians. Wes sucked? Fuck you. He has the most mellow tone of any guitarist alive and he kicks ass mother fucker. You are just some stuck up loser who probably never got a paying gig in your life. Fag!

>>136782805
Weasely*. Black people get ALLLLL the fuxking support in this dam country go FUCK yourself you trans troll low life shit nerds. That's right. You're all SHIT nerds. You're all the nerds the nerds won't even hang out with cuz you're all so shitty. FUCK BLACK PRIDE FUCK RAP

>>136777656
>Can be
Key operative phrase right there Pablo

On the same topic black people can also be good hockey, Is it going to be more likely than a black basketball player? Hell no

stereotypes exist for a reason, because people perpetuate them hence why most niggers are shit at math

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>>136783082
Great points. You sound like a real go getter

>>136783327
Don't compare scientists to rappers shit nerd

>>136780983
I'm going to use my token

No, jazz isn't dying. I'm currently in college and have a few black friends who I discuss jazz with pretty frequently. We're noticing a comeback in neosoul which contains a lot of great elements of jazz.

Listen to Alfa Mist or Kamasi Washington for a more tradition jazz sound. Listen to Hiatus Kaiyote for rythmic complexity.

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>>136777656

You see this chart? In the given categories of 120-130 IQ there is only 2 out of the 9 that are eligable to be very smart. Now, only 16-22% of their population is even capable of being smarter than normal. An even smaller percentage out of that is able to compete with Whites on an intellectual and creative fields. And yet you believe that they are capable of becoming geniuses because they created music that sounds like Grape Drank farts?

>>136777656
>the academy
Oh boy. Have you ever sat and listened to a Coltrane album front to back?

Most of the time it's complete and utter nonsense. Classical music has form, if your only form is chaos then what was the purpose in creating the form in the first place? To prove a point? What point is that? That there is chaos?

If humans did not build Order then Chaos would prevail hence what purpose does it serve humans to build chaos? Nothing that's what purpose.

And it shouldn't shock you that this shit is pushed in "the academy", the same schools that teach the annihilation of all nations and destruction of individuality, culture, spirit, traditions, true forms of harmony.

>>136783649
>hiatus kaiyote
Have been since 2011 my nigga. Will check out that other shit you posted for sure. Soul has been my specialty since I was 6. Trace my musical interests back to Africa and have the whole story of black American music under my belt and there is so much more to listen to.
https://youtu.be/dl4AkhZp43g
Peep this brotha

>>136782649
false delema. you are a mouth-breather. end your existence posthaste.

>>136782649
No, but seriously. That's fucking stupid, you are retarded, kys.

>>136780983
Can attest to blacks being wired for music. Buddy is a band director.

The natural talent of black students in band usually surpasses white students, but the niggerness hinders them from learning basic skills like reading music and functioning in a group. You find a black kid in band that contain his inner niggness, typically they will be above average.

>>136783864
Shut up bitch
What the fuck is up with you stiffs? Are you insulted by your own erection if it gets stiffer than you? I bet it hardly does. Shut up pussy you know nothing of music. I come from a greater line than you and would not only rape you if I saw you in person I would do so to Isaac Hayes to introduce you to the art of butt fucking you assemblage of insufferable paste

>>136777656
Music is more related to language. People equate us with math but I've been a musician 40 years now and it has nothing to do with it.

It's language center based.

>>136783864
jazz is like post modern art

its just weird and pointless for the fuck of it

no meaning, no purpose, no form or order. just mindless notes thrown everywhere for no fucking reason

it perfectly mirrors the negro brain, just random thoughts and impulses from second to second with no thought of consequences or the future.

>>136784132
Im white and that shit had me moving. Has a ska element to it as well. I like it.

>>136784373
The average Jazz listener is about as worthwhile to humanity as the fart I let out a few minutes ago. It's amusing for a time but you'll forget about it soon enough. There's more farts where that came from.

>>136784546
There is a point to it and that's what you need to accept. The point is chaos, destruction, "de-construction" as they call it. Then you need only step back and examine on a broad scale how this "art" is reflected in society at large. Remember, art is but a reflection of society and nothing more.

Let it speak for itself.

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>>136782153
Bony Blawk was the best, don't be a jealousfag

>>136784246
>delema
why do you bother. it's amazing you can pass a captcha

>>136784628
>There is a point to it and that's what you need to accept. The point is chaos, destruction, "de-construction" as they call it.


Yes, the same as dadaism and other post-modern art movements, its the musical equivalent of a Jackson Pollock "painting", in other words its shit.

>>136777656
Yes, black people can be good at many things through a combination of natural talent and hard work.

However, the black people who decline to try to do anything of worth and shouldn't be advanced through hiring and admissions when their merit is vastly lower than the merit of other, non-black candidates.

>>136784546
If the creator fears consequences, he doesn't exist, he just is.

>>136784734
It's shit, yes, but you can't argue in subjective terms. Those are pointless to most people because they will simply say "Well, that's like, your opinion man."

The truth is we reject this at the level of its "form" or rejection thereof. "Creation of chaos" to us is absurd, it is only self-annihilation that it will sow as it ALREADY is sowing in the West.

We reject this at its core because our future will not be led by those who seek only self-annihilation, temporary and fleeting pleasures, and worthless nihilistic "ambitions".

>>136784715
google "false delema" and read the results. then I would strongly recommend you read a fucking book. christ I can't wait for the summer to be over so I can get a rest from all of you highschool freshman with no friends.

Jazz is unstructured improvisation that requires the least amount of planning and thinking.

>>136777656

Jazz is only enjoyable to people who's brains have been addled beyond recognition by years of drug experimentation.

A non-degenerate with his life sorted out and who cleans his room daily is literally incapable of enjoying jazz.

>>136784893
Shut up bitch goddamn HAHAHAHA what are you on about
Both my parents are incredibly successfully classical musicians and when they come home they listen to REGGAE JAZZ BLUES FUNK
Fuck you bitchh you are stuck up and don't belong in our world because you'd never fit in because you sound like what you are: a fucking stuck up cunt

>>136784734
>jackson pollock paintings are shit.

You must be a commie faggot. A painting he threw out sold for over 20 million dollars a few years ago. That's about 10 times more than you will earn in your lifetime(if you get enough sleep this summer and manage to pass algebra 2 next year, and also IF you graduate highschool in three years and go on to college.) Get some sleep kiddo. *ruffles your hair in the most patronizing of manners*

>>136785320
"Stuck up cunt", this is what they refer to people that don't take joy in chaos.

Reggae has form, the Blues is one of the most simplistic and straight-forward genres on the planet

>b-but muh solos
Solo's have existed far before the blues was a concept.

>funk
Oh jesus...

>>136785203
I can't wait till you realize jazz was a simplification of classical music so niggers could participate you fucking spaz. You want to compare the complexities of Wes Montgomery to Bach? Go for it faggot

>>136785320

Listening to jazz and blues is one the main ways that upper-middle class white boomers virtue signal.

>>136785554
Wrong reply.
>>136784994

>>136785482
Hey hey now.. George Clinton is a fucking god bro...

>>136777656
Jazz is the base of math. It's a bunch of chaos built around a simple beat.

>>136778758
If this wasn't pervasive I would thrive in society, but it is this 'excuse' for them that sits me down like a paralyzing knife to my spine that incompasitates me leaving me inept and thickly numb with retarded pleasure 'I didn't achieve my dreams of a pro skater or athlete, but at least I know I was nice to the black guy :)'


.........who later becomes a pro nba player and lives all your dreams out for you because he feels sorry for you HA

>>136777910
>Jazz is the one good thing negroes have contributed to society.
For a min there they were showing signs of potential then they gave in and turned to shit. Sad really. I still enjoy Jazz, Doo Wop and Motown.

>>136785554
>You want to compare the complexities of Trump vs. Ghadaffi? Go for it faggot.

again.. false delema. kill. your. self.

video tape it with a count-down so you can be useful to this fucking board at least one time.

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>>136785337
>some yuppie faggot from jew york paid 20 million for a painting that means its good!

kill yourself

someone bought this piece of literal trash for 110 million

>>136785655
YEah well not everyone is a petty little bitch like you and call it like it is. We like music or we don't. We like that music. We listen to it. What do you like?
>>136785482
Sorry hold on I got some people on the phone. Stevie wonder, James brown, Marvin Gaye, Aretha franklin, steely dan, Grover Washington, herbie Hancock, Donny Hathaway, Otis Redding, Solomon Burke, i just can't get to you hold on I'll be right back. Oh what was that? You don't like that music? Okay well then have fun listening to what you listen to but I'll remember that you can't dance nor can you feel the groove and I just feel sorry for you

>>136785931
>false delema
you're so fucking stupid

>>136785711
Funk is too ridiculously silly for me to take seriously but I can understand it because it has a form. It isn't disorder, it has order. Jazz is disorder and it's not surprising its mostly listened to by yuppie upper class white liberals who "think they're onto something more".

>>136786083
Dancing predates all forms of modern music by several thousand years my dear friend. If that is your only counter-argument then that is a pretty shallow one.

Judge music on the broader context of society. If you are incapable of this then you should be incapable of acting within society but that is my political viewpoint. Entertainment for entertainment is cancer.

>>136786257
You judge music by whether you like it or not. Whether you want to hear it again or not. How boring of a human being must you be to not feel it in that way? Sorry for you man. Hope you heartily laugh still....

>>136786690
It isn't based on whether I "like it or not". Music, like all art, is a reflection of the society at large. What music is accepted, much like the art, reflects 100% the society.

Jazz, like most post-modernist forms of art is the promotion of chaos and deconstruction. Listen to the way Internationalists speak, they use terms like deconstruction all of the time. This isn't a coincidence.

>I'm boring because I am not easily amused by noises
I enjoy music, hell I even have guilty pleasures but it's far more important to weigh music, like all art, against the society. Otherwise we will, as Jazz and post-modernist art prove, will dissolve into chaos. When we dissolve into chaos we are easily conquered, destroyed, or self-annihilate.

>>136786170
>still hasn't googled the term and doesn't understand what I'm getting at..

Why are you still here? I thought you would have made a new thread about your impending suicide by now. You clearly are too dumb to allow to reproduce.. If you are based and redpilled, you must understand why these conditions are a detriment to the white race.. Why havn't you k'd ys yet?

Posting some of the greatest
Duke and Coltrane
In a Sentimental Mood
(Funny how unsentimental some of these cunts are)
Be race realists not bigots! <3
https://youtu.be/sR13ECD71xU

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>>136777656
>if seaguls can fly
>and humans invent flight

that must mean
>humans can lay eggs

i fucking love science XD

>>136777656
lol jazz fag nigger lover detected

>>136780094
nigga you new here, aint you

>>136777742
Primera entrada, mejor entrada.

>>136787095
>still hasn't realized he can't fucking spell

>>136787122
Can you not hear the ridiculousness behind this? The unsteady, almost nervous ticking drumbeat? The chaos if it all?

Reflect this at large. It's all a form of what's going on around us. Even in something meant to be "sentimental" according to these artists there MUST be chaos.

>>136787014
Do you understand what musical modes are? Do you know why Coltrane and Miles are known for "modal jazz"
These people played their fucking instruments everyday as much as they possibly could till those horns, strings, drums were extensions of their brain. They played "modal jazz" not because they were trying to impose an order on the music, it just was summoned from their brains in the instantaneous moments they played. You obviously know nothing of jazz if your only opinion is deconstruction. So what if it was all about it anyway? The fact of the matter is that jazz is founded upon a legacy of forms and patterns and there is an incredible richness in the harmonies, rhythms, tone, expression, fuck the list goes on forever. You can't hear that. That's okay. I didn't like jazz when I was 14. Then I started playing it and really listening to it and I "heard" it finally. Don't close your ear to it for some ideological reason, open up, perhaps try smoking a bowl (it works wonders sometimes other times not) and listen to Petals of a Rose by duke Ellington, a song written for queen Elizabeth and tell me you don't hear what I hear. That is beauty.

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>>136787445
>weak argument, so I'm going to try to point out spelling mistakes to solidify my point, even though I don't have one..

Nice try you mush-headed fucking retard.

>>136787718
soooo

you play nigger music so that means they're just as capable as white people to succeed in society?

>>136787718
>it just was summoned from their brains in the instantaneous moments they played.

Chaos. Whim. You're only underlining my point.

>You obviously know nothing of jazz if your only opinion is deconstruction

You obviously lack all reading comprehension if you think I said it is ONLY deconstruction.

>Then I started playing it and really listening to it and I "heard" it finally.

You brainwashed yourself into "liking" something and you bitterly project this onto anyone who disagrees. That isn't my fault.

If you're going to get thick headed about it then at least take a moment and realize that art is more than entertainment, only a plebian sees it as entertainment. Art is politics, politics is everything.

*single petal of a rose
https://youtu.be/QOA_BazyGPA

>>136787718
>Classical musicians didn't use modes
Learn Caged Method
Literally Only 7 Patterns
Remove 2 Notes From Chords
Claim Innovation.
It's not fucking rocket science, learn caged, start on the 2nd note. Welcome to the dorian mode, 3rd note, phyrgian..4 lydian 5 mixolydian 6 aeolian 7 locrian.

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Black "mathematics". The scandal of Piper Harron here being given a math PhD from Princeton for "funky sums" and high school calculus is something else.

How many people do you know that got into Princeton math grad school with just a BA in "romance languages" and no math ability? A Fields medalist was wasted advising this retard, no less.

>>136785203

whoa, 7/10
decent bait, but a little too lazy

>>136787999
When did I say that mic?
>>136788018
Everything is just summoned by the brain. The state of the brain is determined by a previous state it was in. You have no real control.

I love jazz I haven't tricked myself into anything. You are the one tricking yourself because I don't know what the fuck you listen to if you don't hold a virtue of listening to what you like (and of course being open to trying new things)
Art is expression and love
Art is everything that is human
Art is political for sure but that's only a part of it. Some art isn't political

>>136788412
>mick*

>>136788365
that's not bait that's fucking reality. you clearly don't know how to jam with scales over chords

>>136788258
I never said anything about classical music and modes.
Oh boy here we go
>MUsic is MATH GUYS check out this model, COLTRANE WASNT EVEN INNOVATING LOOK I YNDERSRAND IT PERFECTLY REAL EASY
You realize that if you pulled out this technical shit at a real jazz gig everyone would immediately think you were a sap? All those guys know this shit. They know it by the names or they KNOW it because they can hear it and play it. But when they solo they are fucking thinking of the modes, the music comes out from within seamlessly. If you don't know what that feels like then you don't know anything about jazz.

>>136788258
He's completely stoned out of his mind and acting like an unreasonable child because he wasted time on a ridiculous genre of music that serves no other purpose than to create disharmony.

>>136788412
>You have no real control.
Which is exactly what post-modernists want you to think.

We build order all of the time, that is what sets us above the animals. It's not surprising that a genre of music that blacks are acclaimed for is rooted in existing only in "instinct" and nothing of higher value.

You're ranting like a man in total denial, trying to appease your own warped mind into thinking you made some sort of brilliant choice. You didn't, you know deep down you didn't. You've wasted time and you're on drugs and you're trying to pin it all on me. That is fine, I'm someone you've never met and someone you probably never will meet. Maybe. Maybe I am someone you know, someone you have met.

But anyways until you realize everything is political you're living a lie. You can keep living the lie or you can take a step back and observe the reality going on all around you.

For example, you tried to brag that one of these songs was written for "Queen Elizabeth" - well what do you know about Queen Elizabeth?

You'll find that none of this will be all that shocking once you realize the broader political implications.

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>>136788604
You go girl!

>>136788689
They aren't fucking thinking about the nodes****

>>136788689
they are thinking of modes you fucking dipshit. are you going to play a locrian mode on top of a dominant 7th chord? or an ionian mode over a minor7 flat 5 chord?

>>136788859
Yes they are, dont project just because you cant process certain things on the fly

>>136777656
>Nigger music su-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMKxeWlCMcI
uhmmmm, no, it doesn't.

>>136789025
Like I said he is completely stoned and on drugs, he isn't going to be able to formulate thoughts quickly.

>>136788728
>wasted time
I studied with John Pattituci (bass player I know fuggggg)
I have played well over 150 paid gigs from age 16-21
I have played with granmy award singer Dee Dee bridgewater and conducted a master class in jazz improvisation with her at my university
I have played with numerous wonderful jazz guys in New York who blow me out of the water and still like me and my groove
I love this music and I play on making the grimiest beats with my ability of rhythm and harmony and there is nothing you can do to stop me from making thousands of more people jump up and down and clap their hands swing their booties and have lots of sex you fucking LOSER

>>136778758
So what happened in Africa before the white man? Was it black people systematically oppressing each other, that caused the absolute lack of any technological development at all?

>>136789175
>at my university
Another flag is raised. Wonder why they keep you around and on the payroll?

>still like me and my groove
That's great, you even talk like them to fit in.

I'm not trying to "stop you" from doing anything. I'm trying to make you realize that you're wasting time on entertainment and should realize broad political values on all things. Art is just one segment of society, segments make up a whole.

You're living in denial if you think otherwise. But keep at it, you're doing fine it sounds. Don't worry about the larger picture, keep your head down and maybe you'll be okay in life. I'm actually even a little envious you're still able to do this.

>>136782341
Steven Wilson is a numale beta cuckold who plays in a shitty wannabe prog rock band. No shit he wants to get blacked.

>>136777656
coltrane was a degenerate heroin addict, and miles davis' terrible jazz fusion albums retroactively ruined jazz forever

so as good as kind of blue and a love supreme are, blacks don't end up looking any better

besides, the best jazz album of all time is stan getz and charlie byrd's jazz samba, and they're both white

bill evans might have had a shot if he hadn't jumped on the horse too

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>>136788604

So is it structured or unstructured? What if its not improvised? What if it is meticulously planned to sound improvised? (a-la Captain Beefheart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9lpLm7jwQY) Also, are you not degrading the complexity of ALL music by reducing the intricacies of just jazz?
Better bait than whom I was replying to btw.

Sun Ra for your bad vibes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNTfXfJhhs

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>>136789110
>he hasn't heard of fela kuti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyfZX8diFsA

>>136777656
What's with people's obsessions with trying to legitimize niggers. There's always some cuck trying to show us about this one magical nigger so in his mind all niggers are magical.

>>136777656
>Black people can be good mathematicians.
But it's very, very, very, very, very, very rare.

>>136783702
graph literally admits they scaled the y axis based on comparative size of population, which is not useful in comparing intelligence

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>>136788258

>I've just read a basic synopsis of how modes work

Modes don't work like that in practice. That's called playing scales, bruv

>>136789437
>What if it is meticulously planned to sound improvised
Which is even worse than just pure improvisation.

>>136786257
>Jazz is disorder
wrong, it just uses modes instead of scales

>>136777656
not so sure having a natural sense of rhythm is the same as being good at maths........

>>136777910
and running and hitting and putting balls in baskets

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>>136789349
I was a student. Studying math. What do you study?
I am an artist at heart. My parents are artists and I shall be one too one day. I am one. I mean professionally. I'm writing a book, screenplays, songs, alongside beating you monetarily with my sick crypto gains as I am no chump. I took a lot of LSD, gave me visions. I'll be with the cool kids. You just wait till someone can throw you in line and give you some measure of power because with that attitude that's all you'll ever amount to be.

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>>136789605

red hot opinion you have there
>Now here's something we know you'll really like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxTZ2qA4brE

>>136780639

Listening now to some recordings from the 1920's. You're right!

Makes a lot more sense than saying that blacks invented it. But blacks do have a nice aesthetic sense and have done good things with it.

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>>136777656
>>136782341
Daily reminder that, in the United States, there are still some years in which NO PhD's in Mathematics are awarded to African Americans.

>>136789437
It can be whatever the fuck tou want it to be. Louis Armstrong wrote out his solos. Miles didnt.

>>136789970
>took some lsd
>college dropout
a look a degenerate loser

>>136789970
fucking hell, is he unconcerned regarding grass stains !

>>136788258
That's not how modes work at all. In fact CAGED doesn't even exist outside of Guitar and was made in the last decade.

But yeah modes have existed for hundreds of years, long before niggers started tooting on horns.

>>136789437
Improvisation is either structured or not impressive. And planning to sound improvised according to your example just means sounding like absolute shit. If you don't know the chords you're going to play over you won't sound like you know what you're doing unless you wait for the chord to play then adjust.
>>136789599
>Modes aren't scales with the half steps placed in different spots, which you certainly couldn't achieve by using the caged scales and changing the root note.
Right.....

>>136780903
Of course I know who Dvorak was. I never liked his music so much, even though he was technically very skilled. Is there anyone whose favorite composer (or in top 5 or even 10) is Dvorak?

>>136785916
A shocking amount of that old black music is 100x more pathetic and whiny and spineless than your average mopey /r9k/ post, there's some good stuff though.

>>136777656
>implying black culture and intellect beats latino culture and intellect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CYVuNcP4_o
man, forget nigger music, latino music is the shit!!!

>>136789687
Jazz exists as a form of chaos and deconstruction which in turn reflects post-modernist art and political thought which is the era we currently live in. This is the great "movement" of our time.

>>136789970
I dropped out of university a year shy of graduation and bought property in West Virginia where I live now with a few trusted friends. While at university I was aiming for a degree in Education with the prospects of teaching History one day. Of course, I realized that university and the academic culture was not going to get me anywhere and certainly just another ugly facet of this crumbling society.

I'm a writer as well but we will undoubtedly write different things. You will probably get published for saying the right things, you're already acting the way they want you too act.

It'll all end soon enough thankfully. This trend of annihilation cannot continue without consequence. It already is.

>>136790017
It's not an opinion it is based on political fact. The mistake you make is observing entertainment as entertainment and not accepting that entertainment is just a reflection of the social and political situation at large. We make things based on what we observe and what we experience and living within a society means we are creating things based on that society.

I don't care about how something sounds but merely why it sounds the way it does. Creating a genre for the sake of improvisation is the promotion of chaos and disorder. The West is facing this crisis and this is why things have become so decadent.

>>136790017
The funny thing is that the most chaotic and loud jazz was made by whites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5nHPOS8v4M

>>136777656

If I could jump to the moon then I could jump to the moon but I'll just sit here.

fkin rtrd

>>136781474
The ASVAB has no musical questions on it, from what I remember of taking it many years ago. So in what sense or what part of "the military" considers musical ability equal to math ability?

>>136790405
And this is unsurprising to me considering the larger social picture at hand. When this is what is considered "great" compared to what we can compare, and that is of course other musical movements and artistic movements of the past then it isn't so shocking when you realize why the West is dying.

This music sounds like the pitiful cry of a dying animal - because it is.

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>>136790341
>this will be the majority in america by 2040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjUiFeDKo_0

>>136788971
>Stopped responding to me because I owned him.

Good for you kiddo. I bet your first day of highschool will be super-exciting. Better get lots of sleep.. No seriously.. Go to sleep forever.

>>136790182
kek I did file for an incomplete for my graduate course in linear analysis but I made that shit up the next semester. Thank you Isaac Fried. Now I'm choosing to work on my start up or go to masters for whatever I want. Thinking big bucks. What about you?

>>136790224
That is exactly how modes work you change the root note of the ionian and keep every note the same. Caged is just a good method to use on guitar as an example. When I said drop 2 i was referring to Jazz Guitarists taking chords and dropping 2 notes.

>>136790219
Of course not! He's not a ninny like you! He's The Godfather of soul, soul brother number one, sex machine, the hardest working man in show business....
Oh what do they call you my man?

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>>136790554
the finest america has to offer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Prfg3vyZkA

>>136780983
>>136780983
Been listening to black music from the age of 16. Started from ragtime and progressed to jazz. Makes me sad it became nigga music nowadays.

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>>136790313

>caged
spotted the pleb guitarist

>changing the root
so now you're in a different key and not playing modally

>.....
Thinks an ellipsis looks asthetically pleasing with five full stops

>>136790574
>Responds to a response saying i'm not responding
Kill yourself you lost

>>136790707
changing the root of a scale and keeping the notes you fucking pleb

>>136790313

Cap't Beefheart is /mu/core, and just posted it as the first thought, I know there are more accessible examples to cite, I just cited the most dramatic.

>>136777656
Coltrane was a genius as was Charlie Parker Monk Mingus Eric Dolphy Andrew Hill Albert Ayler

>>136790525
>When this is what is considered "great" compared to what we can compare, and that is of course other musical movements and artistic movements of the past then it isn't so shocking when you realize why the West is dying.
Your problem here is that you are romanticizing the greats of old when you fail to realize that equally shitty stuff existed in the past. This is the exact same mistake the lewrong generation kiddies make, they say "HURR DURR LE MODREN POP MUSIC LE SHIT" while failing to realize that the pop music they love so much and the pop music from the eras they furiously masturbate too are just as bad. You are also making the direct assumption that anyone considers this good, which I can assure you, not many people do outside of marxists. So no, your attempted comparison with this and degeneracy is forced at best.

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>>136790826
>caged
yeah, I'm the pleb

>>136777910
Wouldnt have happened unless whites oppressed them to behave the way they did in the 50s

>>136790405

I raise you Soil & PIMP Sessions, a Japanese band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpbxkKVnEU

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>>136790692
middle-aged white men and white people in general BTFO. a latino musical genius in his prime who fucks white daughters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeSwFAcgPSA

>>136790958
>This is the exact same mistake the lewrong generation kiddies make
I am not one of the "lewrong generation kiddies", fantasizing about existing in the past is as pointless as it is trivial.

My point was not romanticizing or even glorifying my point was examining what was popular at the time and comparing that to the social structures and politics of the time.

In this era, the art is based on deconstruction, chaos, and nonsense. The rejection of reason, the rejection of Order.

My point was that everything has political teeth, nothing can escape this. Why something becomes popular is as much a political statement as any manifesto written by any philosopher.

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>>136791051
*blocks your path*

>>136790973
and your superior method is...?

>>136791042
Nips are actually good at making marxist jazz for some reason. It makes no sense when you consider that chinks and nips are basically the opposite of niggers.

>>136777656
Mozart is into scat. He's a legit god damn degenerate.

>>136777656
Jazz is Jewish, not black

>>136791172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3E5DHtqMis

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>>136777656
Lifelong musician with a MM and has played in many a jazz ensemble here.

First: niggers did not invent jazz. Fuck off.

But, since I'm here, this is the thing: there are some niggers, as we all know, who are awesome players. However, there are definitely fewer who are good composers. It's kind of like football - blacks have the ability to do certain things well, but planning isn't really one of those things, so we get a lot of infantry feetsball niggers but few successful black QBs. So, while some spooks can cut a mean lick, its still usually a white or even asian guy who writes the charts. Niggers are horrible with the concept of writing and language, and those parts of your brain are very active in creating music. Anything that a nigger claims to have created is really just his regurgitation of what Whitey has given him to work with.

Also, while jazz music can be complicated and intricate, a lot of it is pretty much the musical equivalent to chimping out. Sure, maybe a few coons can play over changes, but niggers lack the overall cognitive function to truly get what they're doing, and most of what you percieve as talent is really just the result of repetition and them being all monkey like. It's also notable that jazz has less rules than other forms of music, and we all know niggers are horrible at following rules, so, it makes sense.

I hate niggers, in case I haven't made that obvious. But in spite of that, I can't in good conscience say that they make bad musicians, and there are exceptions to what I've said. They're just not as good at it as most other races are.

Finally, no mooncricket will ever compare to a classical composer, ever. Coltrane is NOT comparable to Mozart and you should kys if you truly believe any of that niggerdom

>>136791172
Pushed by industrialists who want to keep a population docile with a low IQ. Shocker. But, as I've been saying, just a reflection of the political situation - nothing more.

>>136791148
>In this era, the art is based on deconstruction, chaos, and nonsense. The rejection of reason, the rejection of Order.
Not really. Art today is made from the rejection of morality and the acceptance of degeneracy. There is still reason and logic in degeneracy, it's just morally and socially abhorrent. That's where nigger rap and nigger pop music comes from: welcoming degeneracy in open arms.
>Why something becomes popular is as much a political statement as any manifesto written by any philosopher.
You're in luck: free jazz of any sort at all is obscure as shit. Has been since day one and always will be.

Jazz = loves nasty google dick

Interesting fact googles don't cook with sage

>>136791350
>There is still reason and logic in degeneracy
Exactly my point. The fact is that the celebration of deconstruction is not a spontaneous arrival or even a trend, it is a crafted political plan. All things are this way and there is no escaping it.

Intellectual circles have orgies over people like Coltrane even if they have no real concept of the political implications. This is a serious problem.

>>136791297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5N-Mid78E
dude, there are millions of people like this dude roaming free in your country RIGHT NOW

>>136777656
THIS IS NOW A JAZZ THREAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMWRVqhRVZA

>>136791492
It isn't my country. My country died a long time ago. I live the best I can, away from it as best I can.

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>>136791296
>mfw

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>>136790379
>I don't care about how something sounds but merely why it sounds the way it does. Creating a genre for the sake of improvisation is the promotion of chaos and disorder. The West is facing this crisis and this is why things have become so decadent.

Unironically, literally Hitler.
I respect your opinion though, and I see what you mean. More so, I thank you for taking the time to adequately express yourself.

>>136791598
And I thank you for being straightforward and honest. I've enjoyed this thread more than you might think.

>>136791492
>the absolute state of america
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guEdiv5CG8E

>>136791541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dM5s-xnVdE
your country is alive and well and these are some of the citizens

Scale and melody memorization after hours and hours of practice isn't some huge testament of high cognitive ability. Plus the pioneers and actual innovators of the genre have mostly not been of the negro variety.

>>136791480
>The fact is that the celebration of deconstruction is not a spontaneous arrival or even a trend, it is a crafted political plan
Why are you trying to school the guy with the nazi flag on cultural marxism?
>Intellectual circles have orgies over people like Coltrane even if they have no real concept of the political implications. This is a serious problem.
Not really, no. The problem is that niggers are celebrating the modern degenerate art that is talking to a beat instead of Coltrane. You see, Coltrane was a religious ethnonationalist of sorts, that's where A Love Supreme and Ascension come from. If we can tap into this we can essentially get the niggers to move back to africa and fuck off permanently. You see how we can use this as a weapon?

>>136791770
this guy is topping your charts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4W19jwUOkQ

Alright I'll give you that.
BUT CAN THEY RUN FREE?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Hyz4pOXtE

>>136777742
Por que you can't avoid niggers

>>136791770
It is not "Alive and well". It is a dying organism that is in denial despite it going through vicious death throes.

I am fine, those I care about are relatively fine. But I can't worry about everyone, not anymore. I do what I can for myself and those who have decided to follow me. I can do no more for the rest.

>>136791811
You've got a clever mind that's for sure. I've always thought that if there was someway to capitalize off the "KANGZ" meme it would be to almost support it in a way that would get them to fuck off forever.

>>136791537
Haven't heard that one
https://youtu.be/_3vpiTgG59A

>>136791951
did you even see anything i posted/how many views it had?

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>>136780094
Pffff na nigger. The problem literally does lie with race. Just because there are a few that rise above the rest doesnt mean anything. There are actual gorillas with 100+ IQs (20 points higher than the AVERAGE nigger).

Not saying their culture isn't absolute shit too of course. And LOL at the fact any black who played jazz today would get the shit beat out of him and called a coon by the other blacks.

>>136790341
Latino music is this, trap is european
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JEdf7XsV5g

>>136792135
I have no desire to click on the link and I imagine the views are quite high. I am not in denial about the state of the nation which is why I decided to remove myself from it entirely.

Let it fall, it already is.

There was a time when I was naive in thinking I could rally others around a cause but that day has long ago passed. There's no chance in doing that in America, not against the massive forces of capital that control every facet of society, not against the mass hysterical indoctrination that is built into us from birth. Those of us lucky enough to escape them are, well, lucky enough.

>>136777910

Jazz is what happened when blacks tried to play big band music and couldnt

>>136792312
11/10

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>>136791172
This fat is Norwegian

>>136792207
One of my favorite albums. I've played with John Abercrombie whose featured playing electric guitar on that album
>>136792372
Little bitch

>>136791951
What you have to note is, many of the "intellectual circles" you speak of are mostly marxist groups. It is absolutely no surprise that they choose to praise a nigger over any white man. Remember, Bezmenovian demoralization is still a thing. Also note that even if we were to subtract the marxists from the equation, it is very difficult to ignore the actual impact that the likes of Coltrane had on nigger music, or rather, on music as a whole. While jazz ultimately is the glorification of controlled chaos, it is still influential and it has still impacted non-jazz genres, unlike the niggerish shit that passes off for music today.

>>136792583
Influential in all the wrong ways for all the wrong reasons.

Anyways, I'm barely awake now my eyes can't keep open and I've got to work tomorrow. Take care, friend hope you survive all of this mess.

>>136792544
this nigga knows whats up
>>136792372
you is a little bitch

>>136792731
LITTLE WHITE BOY CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT

>>136792731
>Influential in all the wrong ways for all the wrong reasons.
Not necessarily true, look at prog rock.

>>136785967
>not realizing "art" is just a big money laundering scheme for rich pedophiles and sand niggers.

>>136777656
That is fucking retarded. Musical talent != Mathematical talent. It doesn't matter that we regard both as geniuses they are in two separate fields. Most people who are strong in math and science are weaker in artistic areas. So there is no connection between the two.

>>136777656
>my opinion is a fact
lmao niggers and nigger lovers are so desperate

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>>136793377
those numbers don't lie

>>136777656
Gauss was a bad example. That man's genius makes most geniuses in history look incompetent.