How do we fix capitalism /pol/?

>>136747113
Remove the crony elements of it.

>>136747222
Checked. What crony elements and how would you remove them? What caused them in the first place?

So you're just going to ignore that the red line shows a steadily increasing trend while the gray one a decreasing trend because the of the fact that one group is more successful than the others

>>136747113
why would you want to fix a midrange system?
it's time to move into endgame systems, op.
midrange ended about 21 years ago.

>>136747113
Replace it with National Socialism. 1488.

>inb4 "socialist" uhmm no sweetie
Neck yourself

Kill free trade, kill immigration, enforce anti Monopoly and anti trust legislation, and bring back labor unions

>>136747113
We remove the government.

>>136747113
by removing regulations which create barriers to competition

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>>136747578
>one group is more successful than the others
Define successful. Also read the graph again, only the 99.999th percentile are growing, everyone else is getting left behind.

>>136747668
What's the endgame system :^)

>>136747113
remove the jew

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>>136747347
The state is the method through which all corruption and cronyism comes. Destroy as much of the state as you can, all of it if possible.

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>>136747347
The answer is simple, when you're taking the most heat, that's when you're above your target
Janet Yellen shits bricks when anyone mentions raising interest rates
When the economies doing good, nobody thinks about it, when it's not, they're all wishing we'd done it sooner
It's now or never, this is our window, raise interest rates now or face the consequences

>>136748446
This.

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>>136748446
Ok let's say we remove as much as the state as we can. In a capitalism system, you still need a state to enforce private property rights. But then what's to stop monopolies from forming? Who will protect the workers from companies?

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>>136747113
Start with banning 3D porn

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>>136748953
>But then what's to stop monopolies from forming?
Monopolies are not a natural phenomenon. Corporate personhood, limited liability, eminent domain, copyright, bailouts, business licenses, tariffs, taxes and regulations are all inventions of the state that ensure that the company that gets to the top can eliminate all competition and thus allows it to abuse its position through the state.

>>136748235
No the chart very clearly shoes that most people are seeing increase, but the only notable one being in the 99th percentile.

>>136748953
>But then what's to stop monopolies from forming?
You have it backwards, monopolies form through cartelization, when regulation bottlenecks competition. This is why the big guys are never free market types, they're mostly center left Keynesian types. Because when you're on top, restricting the market helps you by making yourself the only game in town, complying with the department of labor is worth it to them.

>>136747113
if you want capitalism to be a good thing for everyone (it doesn't have to be to be "true capitalism", capitalism just means you operate and make business based on property), then the parties need to be able to have negotiating power.

It needs to be possible to survive without supporting a trend that will inevitably kill the ability to assert your interests.

As long as people have the CHOICE to enrich the rich - because they get a better deal out of it - there is nothing to fix. It needs fixing if you would starve or lose all medicaid, did you not participate in the system that is known to enrich the rich more and more.

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>>136749395
Then why was it the government that had to step in and break monopolies up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

It is in a companies best interest to have the least competition possible. Thus, it is in a companies interest to buy out all the smaller industries. In the wild west, this is how these big capitalists made their money, from steel, rail, and oil monopolies. 50 years ago we had many domestic auto manufacturers. Now we're down to the big three.

>>136749472
It used to be 3.33% but now it's down to 1.33%. Compared to the increased cost of living from technology and increased cost of houses, it may as well be negative.

>>136748953
>What's to stop monopolies from forming?
The state not being able to subsidize specific companies, meaning smaller, more agile companies can adapt to new and changing market demands faster than massive multinational conglomerates.

See: the state selling most of the US's publicly paid for broadband cable lines to 3 companies, subsidizing sub-standard private health and education, and of course, the Wallstreet bailouts after several banks made terrible investments of their own volition and would have been replaced with new blood and more conservative investment paradigms, should they had been allowed to fail.

Eat shit, statist.

>>136749756
then keep anti trust laws, those aren't what we're talking about, even so they tend to be applied in a way that breaks companies up regionally, which actually hurts the economy, but as long as we got a guy that isn't like you in office then they're not a bad thing per say

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>>136749991
So big successful companies are able to manipulate the government into serving their corporate interests? A smaller government would have an easier time resisting big corporations? Also, once these companies start to outsource and automate more with no state in their way, who is going to help the jobless workers that would normally fall on social safety nets from the former government.

>>136750568
>A smaller government would have an easier time resisting big corporations?
a smaller government would have less to give them dumbass

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>>136749756
Trust-busting only serves to ensure that either the most efficient businesses are destroyed or that competition does not arise against monopolies.

>>136750568
>A smaller government would have an easier time resisting big corporations?
Yes, since the corporations would have less incentive to buy out the government, and the government would have less ability to ensure that the corporations stay a monopoly/oligarchy.

>>136747113
Envy is a sin.

>>136748235
>Also read the graph agai
I guess it's you who have to read the chart again

>>136748580
It's already too late, she should've done it at least a year ago.

>>136747113
Tax structure.

Free trade agreements etc.

Of course your graph is irrelevant because it doesn't show the absolute amount of growth.

I'd rather have 1% of 10 than 10% of 1.

>>136748446
how does anarcho capitalism prevent the formation of monopolies? What stops all of the rich people from buying everything out and returning us to corporatism?

Enforcement of antitrust laws.

Tax investment income at the same level as wage income.

Impose a per transaction tax on the stock market to stop high frequency trading manipulating the market.

60% estate tax on all estates over $50 million, indexed to inflation.

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>>136752057
Refer to >>136749395

>>136752068
we're trying to fix capitalism not become Greece

>>136752068
Tax imported products at the same level our products are taxed in the country of origin.

Lower corporate taxes.

Fewer regulations.

More tax brackets and higher rates for the highest earners.

Remove the mortgage interest tax deduction.

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>>136751009
Oh cool so a company under a smaller government could also do whatever the fuck they want. Thanks for clearing that up numbnuts.

>>136751584
No it's ok I read the chart. Did you read the chart though?

>>136752105
refer to
>>136749756

>>136752327
Ok then. Just reset all the tax rates back to where they were in 1959, back when America was great.

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>>136752068
Oh boy, that sounds like a quick trip to becoming a hellhole. Can't wait to either turn into Venezuela or fucking China with that kind of plan.

>>136752105
Okay, but this doesn't explain how the absolute richest people can't just work together with each other and form a monopoly anyways. It would be just like the Rothschilds and royal families basically, which is not a liberation of the common individual at all.
Also, how would anarcho-capitalism solve the problem of credit and debt? More money is "created" than actually exists, and our system is built upon that principle. Our money isn't worth anything and neither are we.

>>136752376
I vote this

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How do we stop the capitalist-driven dumbing down of America?

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>>136752718
>Nuke the commies!!
>North Korea? Isn't that by Vietnam?
American education

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>>136747113
see pic

>>136752718
>hating Beavis and Butthead
This person's opinion is invalid.

>>136753091
Lol it's actually by Carl Sagan, he predicted a lot in this paragraph

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>>136752486
>refer to
>>>136749756
refer to >>136751241

>>136752500
>this doesn't explain how the absolute richest people can't just work together with each other and form a monopoly anyways
Let's take the automotive industry for example. There are currently 14 big car companies, not including the smaller less important ones. In order for these businesses to form a cartel, they would have to all agree to have the same high prices, and if any one of them betrayed the others and went for a lower price the others would all get fucked over while the company that did the betraying would make an enormous profit. Now, I said that there are 14 car companies, but in reality they would have to include basically EVERY car company, and then try to somehow get every car company that is created as a result of the high prices to join them, otherwise the whole cartel system would come collapsing down. It would be almost impossible to sustain for any serious amount of time.

>Also, how would anarcho-capitalism solve the problem of credit and debt?
We'd probably use crypto-currency, like Bitcoin, which is a fairly stable currency.

Just rise the to tax rate by 10 pp.

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>>136753214
I agree with him to be honest.
>>136753218
>14 big car companies
And what I'm saying is that they'd combine into 7 big companies, and then 3, and then 2, and then there's only "one" true car company that owns 14 brands. Referring to what I said about royal families, although there were wars and occasional infighting, the royals remained royal and in charge (and in bed with bankers) until the commoners took away their power one way or another.
Cryptocurrency sounds like a good deal, though.

>>136753489
*top tax rate

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>>136751241
>Trust-busting only serves to ensure that either the most efficient businesses are destroyed or that competition does not arise against monopolies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law

>Second, they restrict the mergers and acquisitions of organizations that could substantially lessen competition. Third, they prohibit the creation of a monopoly and the abuse of monopoly power.[1]
Looks like promoting competition to me

>Yes, since the corporations would have less incentive to buy out the government, and the government would have less ability to ensure that the corporations stay a monopoly/oligarchy.
That comes with it's own host of problems. They could use that money instead to actually buy out the competition. It would also mean the government has less power to break up monopolies. It would also mean things like minimum wage, overtime pay, 40 hour work weeks, and workers rights would be destroyed. Why would you want this?

>>136753489
Similar to what comrade Bannon wants to do, raise the marginal tax rate for the richest by 44% or something.

>>136753560
>Referring to what I said about royal families, although there were wars and occasional infighting, the royals remained royal and in charge (and in bed with bankers) until the commoners took away their power one way or another.
Good point, this also reminded me of European monarchies. At the start there were many different royal lineages. But over time fewer and fewer lineages survived until you had several large ones like the Habsburgs for instance. Similar thing happens in capitalism.

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>>136753560
>And what I'm saying is that they'd combine into 7 big companies, and then 3, and then 2, and then there's only "one" true car company that owns 14 brands.
But the principal remains the same. Even if there is only one car company left, if they abuse that position to charge everyone high prices, then other car companies will be created that won't do that, and they will be forced to either lower their prices or lose customers to these rival car companies.

>>136754124
>then other car companies will be created that won't do that
I would hope so, but how could they possibly compete with the monopoly now that is has formed? They can just buy the other companies, or just buy all of the factories. This could happen on a global level as well, so that you couldn't rely on foreign products either.
>>136754081
Yes, this is what I am saying. They would become the new royalty.

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>>136753711
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
And?

>They could use that money instead to actually buy out the competition
There's nothing wrong with that.

>It would also mean the government has less power to break up monopolies
The power required to break up monopolies also allows the government to set up monopolies.

>It would also mean things like minimum wage, overtime pay, 40 hour work weeks, and workers rights would be destroyed
Fantastic, I don't know why you wouldn't support getting rid of these things.

>>136747964
Easily this.

>>136752068
That's some good shit right there.

>>136752376
So much this

>>136748953
>you still need a state to enforce private property rights
what? The only thing govt. has done to me is tell me shit that is mine isn't mine.

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>>136747113
Working fine for most whites in the US, myself included.

>>136754124
Look at the oil, steel, and rail barons of the unrestricted capitalism of the 19th century. No one was able to touch those monopolies for a reason. First of all the amount of capital you would need to start a car company from scratch and start competing with one of the largest companies would be insurmountable. Second, the monopolized car company could just buy out or sabotage the competition. Thirdly, you'll probably counter by saying of course a small business wouldn't be the one competing, it would be another non-car company that would fill the role. You've solved the capital problem however this is a large needless risk in the first place that wouldn't happen. Also, the competing company would still have to try to overcome the industry of scale and experience advantage of the grounded monopoly. It sounds good in theory but practically it doesn't work and it hasn't.

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>>136754405
>I would hope so, but how could they possibly compete with the monopoly now that is has formed?
I go to the bank, show them how the high prices that the monopoly has formed mean that the situation is ripe for starting a rival car company, they give me a big loan, I use that loan to build a bunch of factories, I build a bunch of cars and sell them to the people at a much lower price.

They can try to buy me out, but they're gonna have to offer a shit-ton of money, and even then I might just say no, deciding that the future profits from my car company outweighs any short term deals they could offer me.

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also,
>implying communism would be even a tiny bit better

>ctrl "fiat"
>no results
And this board calls itself "red pilled".

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>>136754871
Ok remove the government and see how fast the workers respect private property rights.

>>136754933
Nope lol, most people have less than 1000 dollars saved in the bank. Most college grads struggle to find minimum wage jobs. Most white men are checking out of society and becoming NEETS. The future is bleak under this capitalist hellhole.

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>>136747113
Abolish paper money

>>136754955
>No one was able to touch those monopolies for a reason.
because of corruption on the local, state, and federal levels of government.

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>>136755198
>Ok remove the government and see how fast the workers respect private property rights.
This is actually probably one the better arguments commies have, but to be fair once we have automated privatized death squads this will be a non-issue.

Too much capitalism is bad, just like too much socialism is bad. One needs to strike a balance between government and individual. Communists and Libertarians ignore this.

>>136747113
>government is more involved in the us economy than ever before
>wealth inequality is getting progressively worse
Clearly we need more government involvement.

>>136748020
Stupid libertarian/anarchist. Power will always coalesce.

We must remove the jews and seize their wealth.

>>136747113
>How do we fix capitalism /pol/?
Fixed supply growth fiat money.
Replace income tax with tariff (before you throw a fit. super rich doesn't pay income tax but they would be paying tariff).

>>136755328
The Nazi is correct.

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>>136755314
>but to be fair once we have automated privatized death squads this will be a non-issue.
You're probably not a capitalist. Enjoy being mowed down by the capitalists you've defended.

>>136755214
Less government and more freedom. I thought that was what you snakes wanted.

>>136755097
>Using GDP to measure a socialist economy

https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21697845-gross-domestic-product-gdp-increasingly-poor-measure-prosperity-it-not-even

>>136754750
The solutions are simple, but there is no desire to fix the problem.

>>136747113

Bring back the Gold Standard.

>>136749424
>No the chart very clearly shoes that most people are seeing increase,
Only major expenses vastly outgrow this income growth. "You need to run faster to stay in place". Mots people actually lose wealth despite economy doing well on paper.

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>>136755909
>You're probably not a capitalist
Of course I am.

>>136747113
Stop importing new migrants to oversupply the labor market and suppress the unit price of labor.

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>>136755198
>Nope lol, most people have less than 1000 dollars saved in the bank
Well, they should stop going out to eat, buying pointless shit, and taking out loans they can only barely afford to repay. Not capitalism's problem, it's a behavioral problem.

>Most college grads struggle to find minimum wage jobs
Not surprising since most college grads graduate with useless or impractical degrees such as history or psychology. There is a huge skill gap that needs to be addressed (thanks to the college meme and shitty new age philosophy and some weird animus towards labor jobs), thank god we have Trump and DeVos working on that.

>Most white men are checking out of society and becoming NEETS.
plain wrong. Millennial unemployment is high (because of the skills gap and psychological issues, mainly), but well below 50% as your post would claim. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/10/Rise-New-Economic-Underclass-Millennial-Men
>The future is bleak under this capitalist hellhole.
LOL says the guy who supports the RED economic system in >>136755097

Meanwhile in reality pic related. Despite the above problems we are still an INSANELY prosperous nation compared to the world population now and especially compared to history.

>>136753218
>Let's take the automotive industry for example.
Lets take desktop computing industry for example. There is 2 chip companies, one of them been laughing stock and one operational systems company.

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>>136755707
pic related is the problem with Libertarian philosophy. I'm sure you already know the problem with Leftist Authoritarianism.

>>136747113
Get rid of the stock markets and public companies (as a form). Same goes for commodities markets. As a start.

>>136747113
Look like if you increase the welfare state you dont need wages to increase to grow your business

>>136747951
That's still capitalism.

>>136755909
>corruption
>freedom
incompatible.

>muh GDP doesn't work anymore
bullshit. Using any alternative would not even change the rankings of the countries in that chart (by growth in GDP or GNP or GNI).

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>>136756248
Which ones? Desktop computing as a whole seems like a dead industry so I don't know all that much about it.

>>136755009
>go to the bank
Here is the crux of the issue- they own the bank. It would take a lot of convincing to get that same loan to compete with the one monopoly that controls every aspect of the industry.

>>136756035
Do you own a business that uses the labor of other people?

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>>136756035
I mean are you a capitalist in the definition that you own private property and employ workers, not a capitalist in the definition that you support capitalism.

>>136756226
>Despite the above problems we are still an INSANELY prosperous nation compared to the world population now and especially compared to history.
Lol the US is being deindustrialized. In fact, the US is regressing to a DEVELOPING NATION LOL. Capitalism is not working

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html

>Well, they should stop going out to eat, buying pointless shit, and taking out loans they can only barely afford to repay. Not capitalism's problem, it's a behavioral problem.
So capitalism isn't human nature?

>Not surprising since most college grads graduate with useless or impractical degrees such as history or psychology. There is a huge skill gap that needs to be addressed (thanks to the college meme and shitty new age philosophy and some weird animus towards labor jobs), thank god we have Trump and DeVos working on that.
So what would you tell these people who need jobs to survive? What jobs should they take. Let's step back and look at the bigger picture, are there enough well paying jobs for everyone?

>plain wrong. Millennial unemployment is high (because of the skills gap and psychological issues, mainly), but well below 50% as your post would claim
Still a problem. Like I said, many college graduates are thousands of dollars in debt and are expected to pay it off with a minimum wage job.

>LOL says the guy who supports the RED economic system
See >>136755909

>>136756872
Into archive
https://archive.is/Qpmod

>>136756226
>Meanwhile in reality pic related. Despite the above problems we are still an INSANELY prosperous nation compared to the world population now and especially compared to history.
Half of all wage earners in USA earn 30k or less.

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>>136756251
strawman for most libertarians (that I know)

relevant only to Gary Johnson "Libertarian" Party types

>>136756666
>the railroad company owns the bank too
what a fucking waste of quads

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>>136756666
>that get
what

>>136756968
other way around, I should say. The bankers would be in bed with the monopoly. You might say "but how is that profitable in the long run?" but please remember WHY the bankers were in bed with royalty.

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>monopolies are not a natural phenomenon

>>136757320
>appeal to nature

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>How to fix capitalism

>>136748235
does this graph include blacks and mexicans

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>>136757557
>that tiny, baby magazine

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>>136756968
>strawman for most libertarians (that I know)
So are most Libertarians not pro free speech, socially liberal, etc? Libertarianism doesn't work because you let Leftists enjoy the very same freedoms as you. We tried it at the founding of America in two different ways. The Articles of Confederation just had states fighting each other in trade wars. Our government now was subverted and placed under near unrecoverable corruption. Libertarians don't rebel. There has been no second 1776, even as religion, guns, freedom of speech, race, culture, and individualism have been stripped away. We aren't a nation of farmers who keep to themselves anymore. The Industrial Revolution completely changed every thing economically. You need to realize that some people are genuinely evil and don't want the best for the country they are in.

>>136747113
Develop a culture among the rich that shows responsibility.

Take Japan.
https://www.wimp.com/ceo-of-japan-airlines-cut-his-own-pay-and-corporate-benefits-to-help-his-employees-remain-stable/

Make the rich people be normal every day citizens that just have a lot of money.

The problem is right now class warfare. What we need is a class equilibrium.

Where the law is unaffected by money, where CEOs that bankrupt companies also bankrupt themselves and have their assets sized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwHZVl5Buk

>>136747578
The x axis represents income percentile not time. The only part of the graph that shows anyone's income decreasing is the bottom of the red line, where the lowest 5th percentile are increasing at a rate less than 0%.

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>>136756872
>“The desire to preserve the inferior status of blacks has motivated policies against all members of the low-wage sector.
what a crackpot.

Anyway, back to reality
>median family income in the US is still 6th in the world
>HDI not so great

>So capitalism isn't human nature?
I don't care.

>So what would you tell these people who need jobs to survive? What jobs should they take.
1. Move somewhere cheap, plenty of land in the US
2. Go to technical school or get an apprenticeship
3. Get a job as an electrician, plumber, welder, etc. They are quite well paying compared to service jobs.

>Let's step back and look at the bigger picture, are there enough well paying jobs for everyone?
Not at the moment but if all at once the current openings are filled it would launch the economy into an upward spiral, at least until the next shitty exogenous event.

>Still a problem
Still mostly the fault of the skills gap, college meme, and psychological issues. The first two of those are solvable under capitalist policies.

>See >>136755909
see >>136756599

>>136756927
>Half of all wage earners in USA earn 30k or less.
You realize that $34k gets you into the top 1% of income earners in the entire world, right? Anyway that's hardly surprising considering the number of blacks, welfare leeches, and latinxs are in this countries

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>>136757592
Presumably yes
>>136757839
This
>>136757903
>The problem is right now class warfare. What we need is a class equilibrium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Moiq6Wrpd8
>>136757995
[Revolutionary boner intensifies]

>>136758385
Good catch

>>136758912
Fuck off communist. At least Libertarians understand economics. You don't understand anything.

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>>136748235
kenyan A: I have a dime and a penny!
kenyan B: Aw well I just have a dime. At least the wealth discrepancy is low!
kenyan A: wuts dat mean?

communist: HEAVEN.ON.EARTH.

>>136758787
>Still mostly the fault of the skills gap, college meme, and psychological issues. The first two of those are solvable under capitalist policies.
A lot of the psychological issues stem from capitalism and the problems it brings itself, read Capitalist Realism.

>>136747113
That's only in America.

Factor in the rise of middle class Asia and you'll see what capitalism has really been up to.

But if you are saying -- and you are not -- that it's worth it to tame the marvelous benefits of capitalism to better serve the weakest in our own country then I would agree.

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>How do we fix capitalism
Embrace the third position

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>>136759317

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>>136759056
USAian A: I have five hundred thousand dollars
USAian B: I have seven hundred thousand dollars
USAian A: wuts dat mean?

communist: We have finally progressed to communism comrades

>>136759005
Marxism is an attempt to understand the deep underlining structure of capitalism. If go to a library and you want to understand economics under capitalism, the librarian will direct you towards Marx. That's where you start.

>>136747113
Apparently inviting a bunch of poor people into your country will cause your country to have more income inequality.

>>136759126
>A lot of the psychological issues stem from capitalism and the problems it brings itself, read Capitalist Realism.
Yeah LOL and authoritarian communism would be sooo much better for the psyche. Retard.

>>136759609
There is no way in hell that humans will stop using money unless we become a hivemind. People will always want to keep what they produce. Private property isn't a bad thing.

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>>136759317
>Embrace the third position
Christian communism?

>it's worth it to tame the marvelous benefits of capitalism to better serve the weakest in our own country then I would agree.
How would you do so?

>>136759609
>Marxism is an attempt to understand the deep underlining structure of capitalism
and it fails miserably. Just consider the LTV!

>>136759907
>and it fails miserably. Just consider the LTV!
Nope, actually there was a thread on /leftypol/ about the LTV. Go on there and check the thread out (I think it's still up there)

>>136760010
>Nope, actually there was a thread on /leftypol/ about the LTV.
yeah that totally proves that machines don't produce surplus value... kek

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>>136759803
Yes it is. You literally admitted just now. You also don't understand the difference between private and personal property.

>>136760132
Private property isn't a bad thing inherently. Some people CAN use it for nefarious purposes, but not all business owners are out to get you.

>>136760387
Good monarchs are not a saving grace for the system of monarchy.

Maybe passing down insane wealth to children shouldn't be allowed. There would be loopholes in setting them up with jobs and shit so sounds shitty but being able to pass down wealth from generation to generation allows the rich to continue to grow richer without any resets within the system.

Like imagine the world is just a game of monopoly. Eventually someone fucking wins monopoly but then you reset and play a new game.. there needs to be resets in the system to stop motherfuckers from growing exponentially stronger.

>>136760643
Everybody talks about systems based on merit until time comes to pay the 100% inheritance tax.

>>136760608
Monarchy isn't a completely awful system though. Communism and Socialism are.

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>>136760838
>insipid ad hominem

>>136761221
Anyone who thinks that race, money, and food are bad is a retard supporting an awful system.

>>136760643
Stupid, you would just encourage people to think only of themselves and not of future generations, creating a culture of self service and the pursuit of hedonism. That's the fucking problem with you people, you never consider the cultural impact of your well-meaning economic meddling.

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>>136759609
>>that pic

Goddammit this is bait.

>>136747113

Kill traitors.

>>136747347
Strong immigration controls. A large part of this comes from companies importing third world labour to drive down the bargaining power of the average citizen.

>>136747113
> income

Don't most richfags get their money from assets and cap gains rather than income? The 99th percentile here is probably caused by crazy high programmer salaries from the tech boom.

>>136761221
Oops
Monarchies have conquered the globe
socialist and communist countries have failed to conquer food enough to feed their people
Stop this bait now reddit thank you

>>136762028
Who would enforce strong immigration controls? The state. So can you tell these retarded ancaps that because they aren't listening.

>>136761403
No, capitalists who make money off employing workers to work with their private property is a bad system.

>>136762028
Taking away the future for our children and our nation and giving it to 3rd world servant slaves. At least the ones that won't be collecting gibs and committing crimes. Then the next generation just like Cali will all want gibs like a nigger. Same reason they fuck white people especially white males over every day at normal jobs for the DARKY PUSH! Dark Push to a place they don't ever belong nor mudshits in Europe.

>>136762398
>No, capitalists who make money off employing workers to work with their private property is a bad system.
Only if they are under paid or live in horrid conditions. That isn't happening except in Leftist countries like China, Vietnam, and Venezuela. In fact, people are paid too much in the West. Fast food workers can't even remember orders correctly, they don't deserve to be paid as much as they are.

>>136747113
Take ~90% of the government's power away so that the uberwealthy don't have a reason to purchase politicians and regulators with the express intent of having competitors regulated out of business.

How can it be said monopolies are not natural phenomena? Of course they are. You have several businesses competing. In any competition, someone wins. Then they can win harder and harder, so they become a monopoly. It'll last until someone invents a new way to knock their feet out from under them, so it may not last forever, but of course it arises naturally.

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>>136762348
>socialist and communist countries have failed to conquer food enough to feed their people
Soviet citizens enjoyed higher calorie consumption than even amerifats

>>136762748
By definition workers are underpaid in a capitalist system. Worker produces a product that is worth 100 dollars, he's only paid 20 dollars. Porky pockets the rest.

>>136761559
fuck you asshole, you have a somewhat valid point although isn't that already basically the world? since they can't give their children a billion dollars anymore maybe they will try to do other shit to make it a better world for them instead?

>>136747113
>Government protectionism: the graph
Remove Keynesbab

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You can't. Just pray you come across the right people.

>>136762748

Problem is companies hire Mexishits so they can rape the land and open more shit for more money and turn areas of the world into shit holes and or over priced waste lands. They got the system in place to where most will never have shit no matter how hard or many hours they put in and they keep it that way on purpose. Minimum Wage is a form of Slavery. To be slaved to the Gov. so they can play with the Fed and average income of people and keep the average person at servant class status. So for more growth they want more people and shit skins 3rd worlders. They don't care about your community or nation or neighborhood. They don't live there...

>>136763091
>By definition workers are underpaid in a capitalist system. Worker produces a product that is worth 100 dollars, he's only paid 20 dollars. Porky pockets the rest.
By your shitty Marxist definition. Workers "produce" with things bought and paid for by the one who employed them. They do simple, menial tasks. Some don't even do the tasks correctly. Why punish the smart ones? Why are all business owners "evil capitalists" to you?

>>136747113
tell people to invest in the stock market.

INDEX FUNDS PEOPLE, IT'S NOT EVEN HARD ANYMORE!

>>136747113
De-regulate, stop importing cheap labour, remove subsidies for corporations, impliment stricter campaign finance laws.

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>>136747113
Muh yea that's from trade deals where countries treat their people like slaves.

>>136763407
>Problem is companies hire Mexishits so they can rape the land and open more shit for more money and turn areas of the world into shit holes and or over priced waste lands. They got the system in place to where most will never have shit no matter how hard or many hours they put in and they keep it that way on purpose. Minimum Wage is a form of Slavery. To be slaved to the Gov. so they can play with the Fed and average income of people and keep the average person at servant class status. So for more growth they want more people and shit skins 3rd worlders. They don't care about your community or nation or neighborhood. They don't live there...
I agree that rich Jews that don't give a shit about nation, culture, or race are the problem. Government needs to abolish the minimum wage bullshit. Costs of living are different in different areas, raising minimum wage, or even having one, fucks over some areas. Government isn't inherently bad, just as businesses aren't inherently bad.

>>136747951
fuck yourself you fucking socialist faggot. get off welfare you fucking freeloading flyover state medicaid receiving piece of shit.

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>>136763390
Top kek. Capitalism is dead.

>>136763436
See pic. Labor creates wealth. Workers do labor. Hence, workers create wealth with their labor. However, the capitalist makes the most money. Why? Because the worker creates products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the worker's product and pays him a sum less than the actual price it was sold for. If he paid the worker 100% of what he was worth, the capitalist wouldn't exist.
>Nazi flag
What happened to protecting the workers?

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>>136763807
>Government needs to abolish the minimum wage bullshit
The labor market is scarce. How can a worker survive on 5 dollars an hour? You will have mass suicides and bodies piling up on the streets.

>>136763154
The world is like that in some ways yes, in my opinion it's a cultural effect of liberal democracy itself.

>>136763954
>labor creates wealth
Go dig a ditch. Wealth is not inherently created by labor, nor does labor inherently create wealth, so what truth can the statement "labor creates wealth" have?

>>136763954
>What happened to protecting the workers?
There is a difference between protecting and babying.
>See pic. Labor creates wealth. Workers do labor. Hence, workers create wealth with their labor. However, the capitalist makes the most money. Why? Because the worker creates products for the capitalist. The capitalist sells the worker's product and pays him a sum less than the actual price it was sold for. If he paid the worker 100% of what he was worth, the capitalist wouldn't exist.
The worker is the same as any other worker. They don't take risks, they simply apply for a job. Labor doesn't equal value of a product. A pot that is centuries old is worth more than a pot made five minutes ago. Other things besides labor determine value. If you want to make a communist business where you pay workers all of your money, go ahead.
I never said unrestrained capitalism is good, only that shitting on it entirely is stupid.

>>136747113
make charging interest illegal.

>>136747113

Could have to do w all the printing money .... hint hint

>>136764331
>Go dig a ditch. Wealth is not inherently created by labor, nor does labor inherently create wealth, so what truth can the statement "labor creates wealth" have?
Marx differentiated this, productive versus unproductive labor. Of course this is a red herring because people can intrinsically tell whether labor is productive or not. Meanwhile under capitalism you have "fluff" jobs similar to what you described because under capitalism, everyone requires a 40 hour work week job in order to receive a salary. If you didn't have them there would be more homeless people.

>>136763091
>Soviet citizens enjoyed higher calorie consumption than even amerifats

Hahahahahahahaha and ppl actually believe that. The level of brainwash only posdible if your a leftard ... wow just wow

>>136763091
>th 100 dollars, he's only paid 20 dollars. Porky pockets the rest.

The level of ignorace of leftists is supreme. Thats why they always kill half their population and genuinely still believe tey are angels, intelligent and a supreme system.

Literally leftism is a mental disease and should get rid of it

>>136764810
the "productivity" of labor is literally just a measure of how valuable someone's labor is. That is, you can treat labor as a good just like any other, there is nothing special about labor itself that passes on to a good to make it objectively valuable.

>>136763807

As I teenager I under stood the system was flawed. As I worked numerous amounts of jobs and saw the system for what it was and how they were fucking it and us. First I knew Min. Wage wasn't right because people 20ish years ago in this area couldn't live off anything min. wage. The system is created to where the employees do not directly reap part of the income. Therefor people have no real incentive to try and grow and better the business. It has no interest in you! So then you may be like me. Still working hard and getting no where. White men always have to lose out when blacks start shit in Ga USA. Because niggers are superior n shit and whitey is evil. Yes it has affected mine and others lives many times over. DAILY! Blacks and even white people don't want you working hard or earning your spot at a job. They are lazy mostly and jealous. So right there you'll have white fucks and or niggers sjw's any lazy shit bag fucking with ya right away because they don't deserve to live or have the job they are at. In those regards it almost makes me accept Mexishits but they are actually part of the problem. They have pushed white men mostly out of most of the construction fields in the USA or at least in Ga and they would infest every fucking thing if people didn't protest but they aren't all doctors and scientists are they. They keep the system to where even someone less than you will go before you. Its already communistic for niggers. The pets of kikes who ran both the southern plantations with masons and almost all of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Whites build this nation and Europe and Kikes and leftists want to SOFT GENOCIDE YOU! YOU BETTER BELIEVE ITS WAR!

destroy the central banks

>>136765401
Destroy speculative lending.

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>>136765485
Destroy fiat currency.

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>>136764460
>They don't take risks
Capitalists don't take risk. Why should meaningless risk be rewarded anyway. This is a capitalist fable.

>If you want to make a communist business where you pay workers all of your money, go ahead.
That's the point, such a thing wouldn't exist because paying the workers 100% isn't profitable.

>>136764994
>Hahahahahahahaha and ppl actually believe that. The level of brainwash only posdible if your a leftard ... wow just wow

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498133.pdf

Lol

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>>136765738

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>>136765780
>Capitalists don't take risk
Yes they do.

>such a thing wouldn't exist because paying the workers 100% isn't profitable
If it's not profitable why should we trust that your system would work?

>>136765838
Thanks, I'm saving that one for later.

>>136765738

Money hasn't been real since the gold standard.

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>>136765335
Jesus Christ, collect your thoughts a little, dude.
>>136765780
>Capitalists don't take risk. Why should meaningless risk be rewarded anyway. This is a capitalist fable.
They have to go into a worse position to start a business by getting a loan. Businesses don't immediately begin making money, either. It's a risk to invest time, money, and effort into something that may fail and leave you penniless.
>That's the point, such a thing wouldn't exist because paying the workers 100% isn't profitable.
So fuck off then.

>>136747113
This is because women have entered the workplace, and by doubling the size of the workforce you are drastically reducing the value of labour.

Those top 1% jobs are really only available to experienced people over 30, and have incredibly long hours and require a person to work flat out all the time, which is something only a tiny sliver of the population are able to do. By the time most women reach 30 they either want kids or have them already, so they start devoting less time to their careers so they can spend more time with their families. They can do this as most marry men who are older and wealthier than they are.

In the end, most women leave before they can take up these top jobs, resulting in less competition and more wage growth for those positions.

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>>136765838
Lmao

What is it they say about imitation?

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>>136765929
>Yes they do.
Most capitalists were born into wealth. Look at Trump, there was recently an article that he wasn't even successful, he could have made more money.
>Small loan of one million dollars

>They have to go into a worse position to start a business by getting a loan. Businesses don't immediately begin making money, either. It's a risk to invest time, money, and effort into something that may fail and leave you penniless.
So like a lottery at the expense of everyone else. What about people who don't care for this arbitrary game. What about people who don't fit into capitalism and just want normal lives. What happens to them? The people are getting sick of the system. Capitalists better do something, to respond or reform, because a lot of people are getting angry.

>>136765780
Literally the first sentence of what you linked states: "Western researchers have paid considerable attention to the economic and political issues associated with the imbalances between the supply and demand for livestock products and other quality foods in the soviet union."

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>>136767191
>Most capitalists were born into wealth
Actually around 80% of millionares and 60% of billionares are self made.

>What about people who don't care for this arbitrary game
They can form a coop, or join a commune.

>>136766081

Hey its not my fault that its all tied together in mine and many other people's lives. It over all cheapened the nation and the stats show the drop to the middle class. When you have every one wage slaved some of these businesses go down hill with bad employees. Customers will stop going to them and employees will give bad service on purpose just so you stop coming. Sometimes this niggertude will kill a business. I've seen it. Some places their location is just God Like and not even shitty nigger service will stop people from going there. Yet over all I know what I am talking about. A good store will float a store in the Ghetto or a mid range area that shitty employees may be at or some hicks out in the country running a store like crap. It forms the wage cuck life and many people work those jobs mostly because their easy to get. When I was told I would be an Assistant Manager at a new Little Ceasers store. I worked there while the new store was being built. Then some Mexicali piece of shit woman with accent ask me one day. "What will you be doing at the new store?" I replied I'm going to be the new ass.. Then she said " O NO! Rosietta is going to be the new assistant manager!" Someone who couldn't speak English and never worked at a Ceasers before in her fucking life! THAT IS THE KIND OF SHIT WHITE MEN HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES AND YES KIKES, LIBSHITS, COMMIES, MEXISHITS, NIGGER LOVERS, NIGGERS, NEED TO FUCKING DIE AND BAD!

>>136747113

gas the kikes

>>136767191
>there was recently an article that he wasn't even successful, he could have made more money
We've all seen that article, it's a perfect example of hindsight being 20 20. You could be a billionaire by now if you'd bought bitcoin in 2009, so why didn't you you fucking retard?

>>136747964
>Kill free trade
Kys crypto commie

>>136767889
Even AnCap king Hoppe recognizes the need for the occasional tariff.

>>136767452

Or how about all the Dairy Queens ran by fucking Dot Heads. They all have a 20 year old rottem spilt milk spill because they only hire their own and are disgusting pieces of shit. This isn't their nation. They don't give a fuck about you or yours or what they charge or clean.

Lets watch one of those Dairy Queen Commercials where the Dot Head manager/owner always acts pompous and all his little white stooge employees are retards.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/AvYe/dairy-queen-5-buck-lunch-gearing-up

They act like they even hire white people.

You know what that Dot on their head is for?
So you know where to aim!

>>136767223
We're talking about data discussing caloric consumption in the USSR being higher because capitalists love to argue "MUH COMMUNISM NO FOOD" despite the USSR seeing massive population surges under prosperous socialism.

>>136767438
I doubt those figures

>>136767776
>You could be a billionaire by now if you'd bought bitcoin in 2009, so why didn't you you fucking retard?
No capital LOL

>>136768259
You want to take a look at my flag again? Sure, you get your high calorie gruel eventually, after waiting in line for 8 hours of course.

>>136768259
NO capital? Really? You didn't have $1000 spare? You could have multiplied your net worth by 10,000.

>>136757995
>here are the people that must be eliminated
>a bunch of Jewish names and faces are shown
Jesus... how did they get away with it?

>>136767191
>Most capitalists were born into wealth.
citation needed
>Look at Trump, there was recently an article that he wasn't even successful, he could have made more money.
No shit, people make mistakes. He is still rich.
>So like a lottery at the expense of everyone else. What about people who don't care for this arbitrary game.
Go innawoods.
>What about people who don't fit into capitalism and just want normal lives.
People who don't want to work? They die. If you can't provide for yourself, or at least TRY to, you die.
>The people are getting sick of the system. Capitalists better do something, to respond or reform, because a lot of people are getting angry.
Maybe you shouldn't support the system then, retard. Google, YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter are all heavily leftist. The banks support Leftist groups. These facts are especially proven with the censorship of rightwing people on these websites. You can't seriously say that you aren't supporting the system, when that's exactly what you are doing. Most billionaires and "porkies" in the system are leftist you dumb motherfucker. They are Jews.

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>>136768259
>I doubt those figures
Actually I double checked and you're right, it's actually 84% of millionares and 62% of billionares.

>>136767452
That's no excuse to type like a retard, Anon. I agree that Kikes and minorities have fucked up this country, but you can be angry and make sense at the same time.

>>136759803
>he thinks private property is the actual stuff he owns
Private property refers to the means of production owned by the capitalist class. Unless you own a mine or company that employs others your property is not under attack.

>>136747222
/thread

>>136749991
>the Wallstreet bailouts after several banks made terrible investments of their own volition
Investments enabled by the government through fannie mae and freddie mac

>>136768866
>Private property refers to the means of production owned by the capitalist class. Unless you own a mine or company that employs others your property is not under attack.
The "capitalist class" concept is fucking stupid. There is a large difference between a business owner who is trying to make ends meet but is fair and a rich kike who underpays and tries to get out of listening to labor laws and such, but to Commies they are both "evil capitalists".

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>>136768808

Dude this isn't some faggoty university essay. This is a diatribe in my head shat out in GUI type. Be thankful I even bothered to spell check.

>>136747113
You can't. We're in late stage capitalism. Communism is the next step after all the rich pack up and leave after gutting the country.

>>136768866
Money is capital. Land is capital.
Of course, every communist has their own way of differentiating between private and personal property.

>>136769306
>Dude this isn't some faggoty university essay. This is a diatribe in my head shat out in GUI type. Be thankful I even bothered to spell check.
kek, fair enough.

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>>136768866
So if I sell my company and just keep the shitload of money I have that's fine?

>>136754081
It would raise the tax rate of those earning more than $5 million to 44%, not by 44%

>>136754405
>Yes, this is what I am saying. They would become the new royalty.
There will always be some form of royalty. Hierarchy is deeply rooted in the human psyche, and people aren't equal. Some will greatly excel and some will fail

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>>136768446
>You want to take a look at my flag again?
*looks at flag*
*looks back to post*
Ok I looked at your flag

>Sure, you get your high calorie gruel eventually, after waiting in line for 8 hours of course.
Lines happened after Perestroika. Lines happen in capitalism too.

>>136768513
Like I said earlier, most americans live paycheck to paycheck :^)

>>136768636
I'm not saying not to work. Early humans needed to work to survive. However, with our technology and efficiency, we could all be prosperous with 20 hour work weeks. This doesn't happen under capitalism. Everyone has to work 40 hour work weeks at minimum wage so the capitalists get the most profit.

>>136769391
Unless we alter the course. Either we as a people adopt a class collaborative mindset or we'll be replaced by the hordes of brown and yellow serfs.

>>136747113
We do not practice capitalism. We practice usury via compounding interest via the Fed.

>>136769720
>I'm not saying not to work. Early humans needed to work to survive.
So far so good
>However, with our technology and efficiency, we could all be prosperous with 20 hour work weeks. This doesn't happen under capitalism. Everyone has to work 40 hour work weeks at minimum wage so the capitalists get the most profit.
There are lots of problems why we can't have 20 hour work weeks. We are overpopulated, some people don't want to work, less hours equals less pay, etc. Quality of life would decrease if everyone had less hours. Even if you want to make the case that with machines, people can just get free stuff, why would anyone want to repair the machines? I get the same from doing nothing or doing easy work than from doing hard, so why would I want to spend my time to do that?

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>>136769720
>most americans live paycheck to paycheck
So then stop doing that. Start saving your money, be frugal.

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>>136770214
Yes let me be frugal with minimum wage.

>>136770185
Of course 20 hour work weeks wouldn't work in capitalism. Work is a means to an end under socialism while in capitalism it is the end in itself. USSR had 0% unemployment, everyone worked. Capitalism is inefficient, people work more than they need to. Products go into the landfill because they aren't sold. Imagine forcing the rich greedy bankers and other porkies to pick up a shovel and clean up shit with the rest of us.

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>>136770631
>Yes let me be frugal with minimum wage.
You're living on minimum wage? AND you don't know how to be frugal? I'm sorry bud, but your in a shit situation because of your own decisions.

>>136747222
This is on par with the "it was not REAL socialism" line. Am I the only one who sees this? We need to revise the model to not only fit behavior but make sure all ships rise in the society and the economy. Js

>>136770631
Why are you still making minimum wage? are you a useless piece of shit?

>>136770631

That would be inhuman actually because most of the Jew Boys wouldn't be fit for physical work and die.

I will not free them with work! LOL

>>136770631
>USSR had 0% unemployment, everyone worked. Capitalism is inefficient, people work more than they need to. Products go into the landfill because they aren't sold.
Low unemployment doesn't equal high quality of life. Hitler had low unemployment, but the quality of life difference in Germany and the USSR was staggering. In the USSR, for example, cannibalization was still quite present due to lack of food, while in Germany, it was not. Capitalism is efficient because it properly rewards those who possess foresight and are good workers. That's why promotions exist. Products going to the landfill are wasted, yes, but the company who made them are paying the price for no one buying them, not the other way around.
>Imagine forcing the rich greedy bankers and other porkies to pick up a shovel and clean up shit with the rest of us.
Not all rich people are evil, just as not all of them are good. People deserve to keep what they make unless they abuse it. Jews and their lackeys are evil, while people like Henry Ford are good.

>>136747951
This. I see the faggot kikes are already here with their tired bs of equating nazism with Marxism. I judge things by how well they work and how Jewish they are, with that said natsoc was far less like Marxism than is modern western capitalism

>>136767889
>wants more outsourcing to the Chinese
>canadian flag
No surprise

>>136748020
That's great, then we fascists will form a new government and use it to round up and shoot all u an ancap faggots

>>136770859
>>136770874
See
>>136756927
Most people are on or near minimum wage. What would you tell them?

>>136748446
No step on snek. Worse than a liberal

>>136771883
Most people are useless cunts.
Why are YOU on minimum wage?

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>>136771883
>Most people are on or near minimum wage
30k is twice as much as minimum wage.

>What would you tell them?
For the ones actually on minimum wage I would tell them to be frugal and get a better job.

>>136772262
After 10 years of frugalism and job jumping, what would you tell them?

>>136747113
It's not broken.

>>136759005
No, libertarians understand economics even less than communists. Iibertarians are the very bottom of the barrel, pathetic scum who cannot answer simple questions about their faggot ideology without talking bulk shit like claiming their society could beat a government in a war. The intentions of government matter, not their size. A state should be as big as it needs to be for optimal national health, no bigger no smaller, and if that changes over time due to foreign relations or new tech adjust accordingly

>>136747113
The only true way is for a reset, or war.

There's a reason why ladder resets exist in games.

>>136772373
that's on them

>>136747113
Taking back power and control of our people and embargoing the enemies ftom trade.

>>136749756
I remember US news companies numbering in the thousands until regulation supposed to be against monopolies were introduced, at which point they were all bought up until the modern news conglomerate.

Can anyone fill me in on the details? I remember it being a whole lot of bullshit involved.

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>>136772641
I like them more than Communists simply because in their society, fascists could simply unite and take over everything with no problem. Communists would shoot us. Libertarians being weak is nothing new. I still fucking hate them, just less so than Leftists. They are useful idiots. I absolutely agree that it is the intentions of a government that matter, not it's size.
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>>136772373
Should've gone to trade school or college in those 10 years. Where's your initiative?

>>136771853
This. Free trade means sending jobs to the third world. I don't want to work for a dollar an hour and I don't see how I could compete with those that do if I keep my western wages. Ppl who support free trade literally need to be killed, the worst of the worst

>>136772930
All the enemies are embargoed from trade, we form our own trading communities, we make it illegal to trade with the enemy, thats it we are free.

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>>136747113
>1971
>government stops using gold as currency
>now currency is arbitrarily printed by a jewish overlord from goldman sachs who's elected behind the curtains
>entire financial system is based on imaginary government currency
Woah, seems like we tried free market capitalism and it didn't work. Time to put all banks inside the government and start limiting private property through the arbitration of government rules.

>>136749756
You do realize crony capitalism is exactly what is keeping anti trust laws from being enforced right?

Remove lobbiests, remove tax loopholes, remove immigration incentives. Once all of these are done the graph in the op will adjust naturally.

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>>136765780
>capitalists don't take risk!
>why should risk be rewarded anyway?
>if you paid the workers 100% of the returns from your investment, like an idiot, you would have literally nothing, which proves communists are right and investments are bad
Communism is literally child like babbling.

>>136756248
ARM is very close to entering the desktop scene though.

>>136773131
Yeah they may be dumber than commies but their system would be our ticket to winning. They are not as envious, Jewish or murderous as commies and their system is guaranteed to hand us power, I just get triggered by their retarded ideas and how they claim that natsoc are communists/leftists because of the socialism

>>136773814
this.

removing our currency from a gold standard and completely centralizing it is the greatest trick they have ever pulled -and no one in the world seems to care

>>136756872
Modern day USA can barely be called capitalist.

>>136774562
I like to go into Libertarian threads and spread the glorious golden gospel of NatSoc sometimes, so I get where you're coming from. They pull that shit every single time.

>>136754933
That has relatively little relevance on modern discussions. It has a hell of a lot more to do with the trends of 30 and 40 years ago.

>>136773131
That's funny, considering libertarians in the US seem to be the biggest gun nuts and libertarians and ancaps are big on self defense.

>>136774562
Natsoc is extremely authoritarian, which is its biggest problem. It's the antithesis of libertarianism.

>>136747113
How about by letting it work. Stop tinkering/meddling for a while?

>>136777599
>That's funny, considering libertarians in the US seem to be the biggest gun nuts and libertarians and ancaps are big on self defense.
They talk tough but don't do shit. It's been like this for over a hundred years. They didn't do shit when guns laws were passed a hundred years ago or today. When a nigger was elected president, they were nowhere to be found. When free speech is under attack, they comply with the corporations who silence it. When the taxman comes around, they pay. When immigration laws are ignored, nothing is done. They give ground over and over and over again. Libertarians 100 years ago would become fascists if they saw where Libertarians have lead us. They are spineless cowards. Nazis go on marches and redpill even in places like Europe where it is illegal. Libertarians have done jack shit to protect "muh freedom", and they never will. The reason they aren't fascists in the first place is because they want to be socially accepted. They've choked on the redpill, now they need to finish swallowing it.

>>136777777

>>136778440
Because without a backing of the majority that would get you shot? Besides, libertarians and constitutional conservatives like Ron Paul has done plenty to stop legislation from passing and alerting the public.

Where were the nazis when Obama was elected? Oh right, running around leaving stickers that just makes you more hated.

>marches in Europe
They are embarrassing and doesn't do shit to "redpill" anyone already not already in the know, it just rallies the leftists and empower them against you in the eye of the public.

>>136747113
I guess you could always add an inflation-adjusted market value limit for a company before it must be split and shove it into existing anti-trust policy if you're that butthurt about it. After all, only CEO's of huge companies get those $100M salaries. However, the relevant parameter is the area under the curve (roughly representing the amount of money) rather than the shape of the curve itself. If you distributed the income growth by the .01% to the bottom 20%, they'd still be experiencing minute wage growth.

Let's not mention all of the gibs that people get now that they didn't in '85. Why pay your employees enough to live when the government will subsidize you paying a little bit less?

>>136747113
Strip it down

>>136752493
After you reset the demographics back to '59.

>>136780668
>Because without a backing of the majority that would get you shot?
Libertarians are individualists. They don't care about the "majority" or numbers. The whole point of Libertarianism is that people need to look out for themselves. That's it. That's the whole point of Libertarianism. Or is tyranny OK as long as the majority of people vote for it? Once again, this betrays you as a coward who doesn't uphold his beliefs.
>Where were the nazis when Obama was elected? Oh right, running around leaving stickers that just makes you more hated.
Gearing up for the next election.
>They are embarrassing and doesn't do shit to "redpill" anyone already not already in the know, it just rallies the leftists and empower them against you in the eye of the public.
NatSocs, and /pol/ by extension, have redpilled plenty. This place, even going back to /new/, used to be mainly NatSoc, Fascist, and Monarchist before 2015. Libertarians were a very small minority - a joke. The moderates from Reddit flooded here beginning that year, and that's where most of the Libertarians have come from. Most of them were generic centrists before coming here, so even making that many partially redpilled people speaks for itself. Nationalist Authoritarians will win the day because when threats are made, they are followed through on. Even some Libertarians are beginning to see that some people can't be reasoned with. You can rattle your saber all you want, no one will care if you don't actually do shit, which Libertarians have not done. Libertarianism lead us to where we are now, it is not wise to continue down this path.