Richard Spencer

>>136712412
He subscribes to the Yuropoor idea that rights are provided by the state.

>>136712412
Rights don't exist, what's confusing about that? Human rights are a fantasy thought of by french enlightenment thinkers, they were all faggots and didn't prepare us for niggers.

>>136712412
>>136712835
No. Rights are literally made up, there is only violence.

>>136712985
Why use a post about white people to prove his point?

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>>136712412
i'm not all that familiar with richard spencer and his politics, but i'm more curios as to why his head is shaped like an egg. is this a genetic disorder or is it because of the hairstyle/haircut?

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You could've just posted the next tweet where he clarifies

Rights don't exist in the same way laws don't exist.

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>>136713294

Anyone who says rights don't exist is either a social darwinist or someone trying to take away your rights. Either way you shouldn't let them have power in case they suddenly decide you're the next untermensch in need of cleansing from society.

>>136713075
even stranger is that his man-boobs grow at a proportional rate as his head.

/fit/ have been trying to figure out what he takes for months.

>>136713294
Can you answer why he specifically answered a post that was about white people having a right to exist?

>>136712412
> gets btfo in his faggot face
> b-but muh rites tho??

>>136713381
Spencer is proudly the former.

>>136712412
He is just another faggot atheist who has no solid morals and thinks that nothing matters in the end. He might as well just kill himself desu

Anything that can be taken away from you isn't a Right.

>>136713454

To make the point that white people can't just talk about having rights and expect them to be given to them as if the universe guarantees them. They have to bring them into existence through force.

Might is right

>>136712412
That rights only exist as long as we maintain a good behavior

>>136712412

he means you gotta fight for it. No ones gonna give you a right.

>>136713668
That's some really bad defence
>white people don't have a right to exist because there are no rights
He could've picked any other post.

>>136712835
stfu retard spencer is an intellectual giant and you're nothing compared to him

if you dont have power, then you dont have the right to exist, only the privilege

He's calling spooks as he sees them. Probably educated in the way of the Stirn. Based.

>>136712412
>What did he mean by this?

You earn you place in the world.

>>136713590
on top of that he is also an atheist but that is nothing to be proud of. He will never be able to save white civilization and white people until he finds god. Both the Jews and the Muslims have god and they are both making progress. The white man, for the most part, is now atheist or agnostic and is falling behind.

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>>136713848
>tfw to intelligent for /pol/

>>136713848
Kek

>>136712412
They're not rights, they're privileges.
Watch some of George Carlin's later work. Might as well be a direct quote from the grumpy old hippie.

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>>136712412
he obviously read MAX STIRNER aka the ghostbuster and despooked himself accordingly

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>>136712412
He's a crypto-commie infiltrator, he's here to stir up shit with right wing people and make them look bad.

>>136713845
You're a moron. He said what he said to make sure white people understand what they need to do to continue existing. Might is right.

>>136713073
Why not? Rights don't exist, not even for us.

>>136714085
this

He seems quite specific about it. He say's they're only exist if they're acknowledged by the sovereign/state and he mentions the constitution. The constitution says you have the right to free speech but it only exists because the state protects/enforces it.

The only rights you truly possess are the ones you can secure with force.

All others are transient and can be taken away/changed/abused at whim.

>>136712412
Spencer is excessively contrarian and prone to making good arguments in the worst possible way. There is a valid point here that no one is going to recognize Whites' right to exist, no (((human rights))) org is going to defend us. We will have no rights but those we assert and defend ourselves with force. Even if you believe in God-given rights you must assert them with violence or the threat of violence or they might as well not exist. The Founding Fathers believed in God-given rights of Englishmen that were being trampled on by King George, but they didn't just believe in them and hope to convince others. They started stockpiling weapons and drilling soldiers and then when it became clear they would get their rights no other way they declared independence and dared the Crown to fight over it.

Rights don't exist. If you are alone on a desert Island, where are your rights? All that we have is laws, made by the government.

>>136714279
>The constitution says you have the right to free speech but it only exists because the state protects/enforces it.

Wrong. You have a right to free speech granted to you by your creator, God. The state can only infringe upon that right. The state does not enforce or protect free speech it recognizes that you have it and then acts in a way that does not prevent you from the exercise of that right.

The states job is basically to do nothing and allow its citizens the freely exercise their rights. If you want to get down to the core of the issue all rights are property rights and that is why they are so important. Once you infringe on the ability of the individual to control their property they are no longer a free man but a slave.

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>>136714528
>(((laws)))

Even they only exist by imagination. Why do faggots believe in rights and laws when they are figments of imagination and only sensible in a completely White Nation.

>>136714155
He sounds like a commie infiltrator.

What does he mean by that? rights are state granted privileges. is he a Crypto National Bolshevik

show me a right

>Just because you declare something a right doesn't mean you're going to get it

>>136714830
he's said in the past that he agrees with marx on a lot of things.

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>>136713848
MASSIVE FUCKING BAIT

Rights don't exist objectively, they're an inter-subjective thing. It's pretty simple.

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>>136712412
The only real power comes out of the barrel of a gun

>>136712412
Because he's a wanna be authoritarian bitch, personally I would punch this nigger, good on that lefty weirdo for taking the chance, fuck Spencer. We need someone not dumb, and not a pussy.

Presumably that he's a moral eliminativist. Into the trash he goes.

Every right is a privilege.

>>136715501
t. Anarcho-communist

>>136713334
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>136713848
(You)

>>136714830

You sound like a concern troll who is intentionally misinterpreting him to make him look bad. Or you're just so low IQ you genuinely don't understand what he is saying.

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>>136715469

that's why we need to bash the fash even more. I do not want to wake up in some boot-licking Orwellian shithole.

>>136713668
So do we stop paying taxes or start kiling non-whites?

>>136712412

Spencer is a colossal douche who doesn't realise that rights exist, but only when you assert them. Rights aren't given, they're asserted.

>>136715355
>My personal opinion on the metaphysics of morality is objectively true. Pretty simple, isn't it, sweetie?
Fucking neck yourself.

>>136712412
He meant that you're incredibly uninformed on one of the most important arguments of the 20th century OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy6g9xNB-3c

>>136715355
They are simple and I would argue all rights can be boiled down to property rights. The problem is that a certain group of people have been obfuscating natural law. They have replaced the law of god with the law of man and try to convince people, for example, that you have a right to health care, which means you have a right to services provided by another, which is slavery.

Your rights exist without the government, which exists only to limit the rights of an individual. You have a right to your property and to do with your property what you wish as long as it does not harm another or their property. The government says NO you don't have a right to all of your property, we will take a percentage and call it a tax. The difference between this and slavery is only the percentage of the output of your labor the government is taking.

>>136713032
This
But counter signalling wife with a purpose is retarded
Spencer can't even follow his own ideas

>>136715864
your masters have far worse planned for you

>>136712412
>What did he mean by this?
Gosh dumbass, maybe he means right don't exist.
What's so fucking hard to understand here.
"B-b-but my gender studies teacher told me rights grow on trees."

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>>136715588
Gee thanks for for assuming my ideology, ill have you know I'm reporting you to the institute for the advancement of non discriminatory communication. Which will be a thing once take my last vote for the only candidate, when Spencer runs.

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Spencer deserves credit for being against Cucktianity. This is a brave and honest position especially in Amurica

>>136712412
i don't like spencer, i think he means exactly what he means. there's just actions and consequences, no such thing as how things should be. not sure if i agree

I hope Richard Spencer has children that procreate with blacks, lol.

>>136716245
He wants some bootlicking all powerful state, too many niggers beat him up while he was in school

>>136716406
>lolbertarian
>human rights
nice try you fucking /leftypol/ retard. maybe learn a bit about the ideologies you're trying to roleplay before you expose yourself.

>>136712412
>>136712835
You're both dumb as fuck. He said if we don't fight for our survival WE DON'T DESERVE TO EXIST.

>>136713848
This

>>136716576
Lol, chill out, dude.

>>136716576
Right.... and stop playing stupid, we all know he's some broken, authoritarian douche

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>>136716406
Lolbergtardians get the rope too

>>136716146
>>136715469
> Fascist flags.
I noticed you are the edgy faggots. I bet you suck cocks and your father never loved you. Fascism is a fucking joke anyway and there is no such thing. Fascism was a result of WW1 where there were millions of unemployable angry veteran men who thought they should have won and naturally favoured a stronk militaristic regime fascist ideology is basically shit Mussolini and Hitler made up as they went along. There are no WW1 veterans today to establish a legionary state only degenerate manchildren who try to make mom angry after reading some shit on the internet

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>>136713075
>>136713929
I can't believe that this is Richard Spencer. I kept hearing about this guy and how good he is, but there's something wrong with his head here, seriously.

Why is it that shape? I just showed this to a friend, who is a doctor, and he said that's a sign of some form of mental deformation that when the head is that shape.

Were you guys just ironically memeing about this guy because he's physically deformed?

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>>136713294
>The government has all the power
>therefore we have no rights

>>136716901
Fascism is also a off shoot of Communism also bean dip

>>136716974
They're photoshopped you moron. Of course you know this.

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>>136715258

He's saying you have to fight for your right to exist, obviously.

>>136716916
>what is the biennio rosso
>what is german revolution

Its like commies can't possibly understand how their shit can negatively affect those around them

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>>136717113
K now go back to infowars you insufferable brainlet faggot

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>>136714085

Stirner removes your spooks then replaces them with ((((spooks)))).

>>136717223
Thats what I thought

>>136717205
> commies
dumb fuck fascists are literally commies who went full nihilsit

>>136716916
>All that text
>No argument within it
sad

>>136717372
>nihilism
>fascism
pick one

>>136712412
so the constitution's a lie

>>136712412
That rights only exist on paper and if you are not willing to fight for them, they don't exist? He's not wrong
>>136712835
>Muh God given rights
No one assures your rights. Not God, not the state, not your constitution

>>136717591
He's denying white people a right to exist.

>>136713454
It's a long-winded way of saying "White Power", retard.

>>136713294
Yeah, he abides by the collectivist notion that the state grants rights rather than rights being a function of the nature of man. In other words, what is right is only what the government says is right. He's a Lefty.

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>>136712412
Uh oh, here comes the Leviathan.

>m-muh freedumbs

It means that he's a nihilist idiot.

>>136717689
No. He's denying that ANY sort of rights exist unless they are backed by force. If whites don't have the force to defend their right to exist, no one is there to grant that right for us

>>136717790
You're not part of the Leviathan and never will be you're some faggot who wants to suck it's dick

Rights are provided by your willingness fight for them. The weak have no rights.

>>136717689
>This is what the Europoor education system does to you

>>136717570
>Still believes in constitutions

>>136717919
Kek

>>136717984
I know its hard because your got ripped up

why you dipshits keep posting links and discussing this faggot Spencer is beyond me.

he is irrelevant and he is a CIA stooge

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>>136718100
>MUH 300 YEAR OLD PIECE OF PAPER!

>>136718127
Woah good head on ya my southern friend

>>136717984
so we have no rights?

>>136718100
You can go see it anytime you like. The provisional one in Richmond or the final document at the UGA archives.

>>136718371
Might makes right

>>136718100
Constitutions made for a people that agree with the spirit of the document are redundant. Constitutions made for a people that disagree with the spirit of the document will be disregarded.

>>136718347
that 300 year old piece of paper is the only reason you can post that, let along be on this site, get a education wannabe europoor

>>136712412
Rights are only enforceable by power. That is to say, White people don't have an inherent "right" to exist, rather it is seized upon, not stated or pondered as a concept.

>>136712412
There are no rights. Just benefits you can afford.

>>136718648
I'm a leftist BTW

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>>136718507
>Without that 300 year old piece of paper you wouldn't be able to make fun of that 300 year old piece of paper
>Europoor
What did he mean by this?

>>136712835
>>136712412
He means that rights are abstractions we've made up and that they don't exist in reality. Which is true.

>>136718517
With all that being said, it is significantly easier for people to seize a right if they are led to believe it is a right they are already entitled too. The american revolution started by them first asserting they had rights and only then afterwards fighting for them

>>136718757
It's true that Spencer would already be in fucking jail if he was in mainland Yurop.

>>136718507
That 300 years old piece of paper is only relevant because of the US military and economy backing it up. Otherwise it's just old toilet paper
>muh Europoor
t. Ameriturd intellectual

>>136712412

He means that he's a marxist scum.

>>136718757
It means exactly what the words mean you want me to say it slower? Next time don't insult my freedom or any other Americans freedom. wannabe europoor

>>136718507
Name one part of that piece of paper that hasn't been undermined. Go read the Declaration of Independence and think about how the grievances listed apply to our federal government.

>>136713075
>shit meme that exists literally only on /pol/ because it's so shit
go fuck yourself

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>>136718932
>flag
>opinion discarded
Nice try sholmo

>>136712412
Its likely a call to the idea that law and the enforcement of it rely on the strong.

Ergo, there are no rights. Just people strong enough to tell others what to do.

Richard Spencer is what happens when you actually get trolled by /b/ into believing in Wyatt Mann cartoons.

>>136717757
>collectivist
Lolbertarians are funny in the way they invent retarded concepts to simplify the world in a way that makes their ideology make some kind of sense. It's "collectivists" vs "individualists", the latter of course being either lone wolves or collectivists in disguise, but the lobertarian mind is not equipped for such subtlelties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQYRM6jAvnI

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>>136713929
>to
The absolute state of burgernigger education.

>>136719093
To me it sort of confirms his leftist leanings. The guy is a fraud.

Spencer may be a fucking sperg and he may be shit at actually conveying important points, but at least he's actually trying. If we had more people putting themselves on the line, then we'd be far more influential than we currently are.

>>136719067
>huur duur I have no arguments so I'll just attack his flag
How do you think rights are enforced then, genius?

>>136718956
>implying declaration and constitution are the same thing
>constitution overrides ALL state laws, and federal mandates

>>136718888
And we'd be better for it. Spencer's a rich Eurasianist with government connections who's done maybe 1 good thing of note for us.

>>136718951
Why would anybody care about what I say about 300 year old toilet paper if that 300 year old toilet paper didn't exist? Why would 300 year old American toilet paper protect my rights if I was actually a Europoor? Are you like retarded or something bub?

>>136719067
What did he say that's wrong, Schlomo?

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>>136713848
this. just wait for shariahblue shills to attack richard with their nauseating memes. I will remind most of you that the man has a PhD in White Studies, and he dindu nuffin

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>>136713075
dat P H E N O T Y P E

>>136719420
I'm not saying it would be bad I'm saying that his rights protect his speech in America the same one's he says don't exist

>>136719303
First off I didn't even bother to ride what you said because your flag speaks for itself. Secondly your your view is subjective so don't pass it off like its objective. Even if that paper is torn up it has been instilled into the American people, still subjective, but more true then your only laws that exist are the ones that are forced. And yeah they are forced ON PEOPLE WHO DONT LISTEN. AKA DEGENERATE EUROPOOR

>>136713073
Because bitching about "muh rights" is for nogs and fags.
You have the "right" to whatever you can take and keep through force as long as you have the ability to defend it.

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Don't even bother Amuricans have been brainwashed by (((classical liberal))) propaganda to believe that muh freedumbs magically fall from the sky or are ordained by god. Riggts are a social construct no matter how much lolbertarians screech about it

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>>136712412
(((Human rights))) do nothing but hold us back. They need to be abolished.

>>136719217
He is not a leftist

>>136719093
>being stupid enough to believe in establishment propaganda

>>136715258
Marx's critique of capitalism, laid out in Das Kapital, was pretty spot on. Hell, even Hitler had his gripes toward capitalism. However, Marx's solution (communism) to the problem was fucking stupid.

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>>136719488
>>136719505
t.lefty/pol/ niggers and their crappy knockoff memes

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>>136719488
>tfw you have your shilling folders in a knot
shieeeet. Wrong pic. Checked and keked. 1488! Never forget!

>>136719256
He does more harm than good by engaging in their language. The last thing we need is a smarmy rich pussy going on about, "bathing in white privilege." How the fuck does saying that help the white underclass? How does it benefit the working poor, or middle class? Spencer is quickly metamorphosing into David Duke: The Next Generation. Not good.

>>136719303
God.
Is what he'll probably say.

>>136712412
He means rights are a social construct.

>>136719420
Obviously more subjective arguments, never raised as a real American, if you don't know your being insulted then your dumb, go back to your bootlicking rallies and talk about the race war

>>136719712
So nature does not say you have a right to protect you and your families life?

>>136716974
>Nazi intellectuals

>>136719420
The paper doesn't protect shit, you fucking dipshit. It's the collective agreement of people in society and all the guns that protect you. The paper is a just a representation of collective agreement. Or you could argue enforced agreement.

>>136712412
Wow he also watched a George Carlin stand up that one time what a smart guy.

>>136719797
I'm Alt-Right and that meme was from the Daily Stormer.

>>136720071
>using the term "nazi"
>implying there aren't vastly superior fashy intellectuals you're ignoring

>>136713075
Your head will be egg shaped unless your mother turns on her other side every three hours when she's laying in bed while pregnant. Ugly pwope, like this kike plant, are the result of shit mothers

>>136719682
>First off I didn't even bother to ride what you said
And you call Europeans stupid. Goddamnit you must be a moronic spic or a nigger to be this thick.

I'll ask again in simpler terms so that hopefully you can understand: What makes people respect you constitutional rights?

>>136714936
Nah bud they come from Jesus. If it was just you and Jesus he'd allow you to own guns and tell niggers to fuck off down the road.

>>136719971
Nature doesn't say anything it's a social convention that justified self defense is moral.

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>>136713919

>>136720194
TOP KEK nit picking my words and now changing the question because I blew you out nice try kike

>>136714936
>is he a Crypto National Bolshevik

Do DC politicians like pizza?

>>136719971
A right is a concession from a 2nd party to exercise power, how can nature give a right?. You have an OBLIGATION to protect ourself and your family.

>>136712412
Nobody is entitled to rights.
He's right on that regard.
Civilians are tools, they are meant to keep the economy running, birth workers, and that's it.

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>>136719846
Hey, Duke wrote some really solid books on the Jewish problem, and all of the charges levied against him were proven to be fraudulent. Duke is only shunned because (((they))) successfully orchestrated a character assassination of him, in the same way (((they))) attacked G. L. Rockwell

>>136719642
It wouldn't be bad, it would be good.

>>136719875
>I'll just ignore what he said and insult him, that'll make me look smart
No sweetie, it doesn't :^(

>>136720076
Okay, so then why have we agreed on such a rigid and universal agreement? Wouldn't we stand to benefit more by agreeing on something less universal? Why protect the rights of non-Americans, why allow them into our countries at all then? Why not agree to force them out. His point was that these rights don't exist, they only seem to exist because we act like they do. Well why not act like better rights exist? Why limit ourselves to the thoughts of people long dead?

>>136720606
Because there are (You)

>>136720588
This is the most Jewish post, in one of the most Jewish threads I've ever read on pol.

>>136712412
They don't exist. You have to fight for them.

>>136712412
If you want something, be ready to fight. Only niggers think shit is handed to them for naught.

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>>136717757
>have the "natural right" to free speech
>let everyone know I love Hitler
>whoops I live in Germany
>get jailed
wtf shouldn't my natural right protect me in this instance? the government can't lock me up for exercising my rights just because they have the power to

>>136718956
Eh, Amendments 3, 5, and parts of 6, 7, and 8 are still pretty much intact. 1st and 2nd we retain to a reasonable degree. 4, 9, and 10 are pretty much gone but could be reclaimed with some balls.

>>136712835
Incorrect, fag

>>136713032
This.

Rights only exist when you enforce them with violence. Which is why violence can be used to strip them from you as well.

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>>136719811
Does all leftypol do is attack his appearance?
Or is this us shilling as leftypol?
As if anyone from /pol/ actually cares about his head shape. This isn't going to stop people listening to his ideas. These leftypol kids aren't to bright.

>>136719215
>commie making fun of other peoples education
R.I.P. my side max fucking kek

>>136720760
>give rights to people
>only thing they do is chimp out
Imagine how good the world would be with everyone falling in line and doing what they are supposed to do.

>>136720877
I'm an anti-capitalist Nazi, slightly to the left of Strasserism. I also identify with the Alt-Right.

>>136713294
>rights don't exist
>but they do exist when you use power to make them exist

So he contradicted himself. He's one banal mother fucker, isn't he? He manages to stumble over his words saying nothing new.

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>>136721080
> look mom I'm a massive faggot

>>136720848
>Rights only exist when you enforce them with violence. Which is why violence can be used to strip them from you as well
T. Barbarian.
The psychology behind the right to bears arms is enough to guarantee a level of security, self determination and freedom.
The God given right to keep and bear arms is an actual thing. Its only necessary to excessive that right by blowing holes in people just to remind retards like that faggot that God is real and lives us.
Captcha: soldiers escolar

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>>136720849
shut the fuck up you low IQ, disintegrating subhuman! Do you have any Idea what you've done to the GOP!!?? Reagan Battalion- look it up. We're your worst nightmare and we're coming for you- each and every one of you...

>>136720589
I'm knocking Duke because he gets paid to attach himself to politicians believed to be sympathetic to white interests in order to kill their careers. He could NOT do this, but a man's gotta eat. We're all slaving away in the belly of this kike machine so I can't entirely blame the man. Rockwell wouldn't take the thirty pieces of silver, so they assassinated him. Anyone who gets too loud on the right is either turned or killed. Bowden being another example.

Going from Rockwell > Duke > Spencer... it does not look good. There is a clear degeneration occurring.

>>136721089
>being a stupid nigger
Rights don't exist on their own, you pedantic shit.

>>136720310
are you b8ing? Be honest pls

>>136721307
Wait, Duke gets paid to assassinate political careers? Is there proof of this or just speculation?

>>136721080
at this point do YOU even know what you're talking about

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>>136712412

>>136720167
Source required

some kind of cia speak

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>>136721089
He's aping a 19th century French writer who put it more elegantly:

>There is no such thing as natural law, the expression is nothing more than a silly anachronism… There is no such thing as right, except when there is a law to forbid a certain thing under pain of punishment. Before law existed, the only natural thing was the strength of the lion, or the need of a creature who was cold or hungry, to put it in one word, need.

>>136721626
>>136721626
/thread
Thiis guy gets it.
Can't fucking believe a thread in response to a kike plant got this many fucking replies

>>136717757
Rights are not granted by anyone or any thing. Rights are defended by force against those who lack the power to take them from you. If you lack the means to defend your rights, then you only have those rights as long as someone doesn't try to take them.

He means you're only great thus should have rights if you have a goal greater than yourself such as your volk, your reich.

>>136712412
If your rights can be taken away you don't have any rights, you have privileges.

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>>136721296
You alright mate?

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>>136716991
Isn't it close to bed time already?

>>136712412
Rights are literally a social construct.

OY VEY WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS LITERAL NOBODY WAS CONTROLLED OPPOSITION

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>>136712412
That's actually pretty fucking based.

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>>136712412
No "rights" exist. You cannot rely on a Government to protect you. You can only keep what the people are willing to fight and die to defend. It's explicitly why the 2nd exists at all.

The next holocaust will be real, kike.

>>136712412
>''Rights don't exist''- Richard Spencer
>What did he mean by this?
He got redpilled by this based black woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E0VkAHl6A

>>136721401
Speculation, deduction -- lot's of smoke but no fire.There is supposed evidence floating around but I don't really care enough to look into the veracity of it.

>>136722127
so are the foundations of the country

>>136721322
>rights don't exist on their own
So they do when you use power?

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>>136721979
your'e dead kiddo
you're all fucking dead!!!

AMERICA IS GOING TO HELL!!!
AND TRUMP RUINED OUR PLANS TO FIX THAT HE'S A FUCKING EGOMANIAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>136713899

>Everyone is born with inalienable human rights
>Some of these have been taken away from white males
>If rights can be taken away, they are privileges
>Therefore white male privilege exists

Q.E.D.

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>>136721307
>Going from Rockwell > Duke > Spencer... it does not look good. There is a clear degeneration occurring.

At some point we are going to need some people who are unashamedly nazis running around. They don't even need to be actual national socialists, we are just going to need people who are able to take the nazi label without skirting around it

>>136721224
>The God given right to keep and bear arms is an actual thing
That is the dumbest thing I've read in recent memory.

The right to bear arms exists because people... bear fucking arms. Us codifying it on a piece of paper was a mere formality to an already existing reality. If owning weapons was banned, like it is in Europe, people would still have them, just like they do in Europe. We're not somehow "more free" than them just because magical words were written. Rights don't exist because some guy, one time, said so. You're only free to the extent you are willing to enforce your own freedom, to the death if necessary. Which is why Europe is NOT free, because nobody has the initiative or will to power anymore. They've acquired a taste for the boot. They're passive as their rights are stripped away, as they don't fight or kill to maintain them anymore. Meanwhile, when the state got too authoritarian and aggressive to the citizenry here in the USA, someone blew up a building in Oklahoma City.

Like it or not, your notion of what "barbarism" and "rights" is, is pedantic bullshit. Violence and the use of violence creates our reality and has for thousands of years. Your idealism is born of post-Enlightenment naivety, which is rapidly decaying in this modern world.

>>136713848
Mate you are making us look bad, go have chip buttie instead of posting ever again.

>>136715864
>boot-licking Orwellian shithole.
yes you do. If you had the ability to make white a 2nd class and "progressives" and minorities a ruling class you would.

>>136722736
>>136721307
Good thing they are not leaders of anything.

>>136713294
>You could've just posted the next tweet where he

Where he completely contradicts his first Tweet.

>>136721821
The concept of rights originates with the nature of man. Reason is the means of human survival, and using force to interfere with a man's pursuit of his own life through his own rational judgement is an attack on his life. Of course you are required to defend yourself from attacks, but just because someone attacks you does not change your basic nature and the requirements for your pursuit of life.

But Spencer is not saying that man has a basic nature that requires him to be free to pursue his own life. He's saying that "rights" are an arbitrary concept with no objective basis in reality, and they amount to whatever you decide to call a "right" provided you have the power to force others to conform.

It's just a more glib version of "gibsmedat cause I got a gun on yo face, cracka" and it's subjectivist, collectivist, and Leftist as fuck.

>>136712412
hes right

rights only exist as far as you're able to enforce them through violence

if you can't, you don't have them.

>>136719145
Notice how the lolbertarian utopia is essentially the same as the fascist, except in the lolbertarian version millions of people will suddenly just start voluntarily organizing and agree on removing communists and no one will have to be even a little bit tread on

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>>136722495
Exactly.

Anyway, this is a general question.

>Your rights exist without the government, which exists only to limit the rights of an individual. You have a right to your property and to do with your property what you wish as long as it does not harm another or their property.

So what are rights exactly? Moral statements about how the world should be (perhaps based on man's nature like one anon said)? That would kind of make sense if under an oppressive government, because you would have certain parts of human nature being denied by laws.

But if they can be taken away (I know I know MUH UNALIENABLE RIGHTS YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO PHRASE IT LIKE THAT), to what practical extent do they exist without force or being completely alone? Why not call these unalienable natural rights a set of philosophical prescriptions? I know it makes your argument weaker, but why not be more honest about what you're selling? Also, do many people in this thread think that the nature of different groups or types of men varies at all?

>>136722736
M8 i think Nazism has been thoroughly discredited and Spencer is a simpering manchild that looks ridiculous in the company of serious men.
Rockwell was one of the best speakers i've ever heard and as long as he wasn't holding forth on 'the Joooooze' he sounded like a credible if off-beat political agitator.
The last speech he gave had me thinking 'how long after did they murder him?' i looked him up on Wikipedia and days later some unstable shit-for-brains in his own group put him down.
Spencer isn't good enough to be his bootlace, i think any speaker of Rockwell's calibre would have a series of mysterious accidents very quickly these days.

>>136723370
There is nothing "collectivist" about this idea. You just arent willing to fully admit that rights dont exist outside of any abstract form. And they only become practical or real when you enforce your right or take away someone elses rights through FORCE. If someone puts you in chains and doesnt feed you, you no longer have a "right" to food, because you have no way of forcing anyone to give it to you or to take it from someone. Doesnt matter that you think "you have a right to eat", that doesnt mean anything.

>>136712412
>>136712412
When rights do not come from god they are given by men. What man gives you can be taken away. The founding fathers understood this.

>>136723370
>it's leftist as fuck to state something which is objectively true

I have a "right" to eat cereal.
If someone comes into my house and points a gun in my face and says "You can't eat cereal", do I still have the right to eat cereal?
If someone comes into my house and points a gun in my face and says "You can't eat cereal" but then I blow their fucking head off and say "Eat shit I'm having my Miniwheats," did I maintain my 'God-given rights', or did I create a new one by signalling to everyone further down the road that my right to sugary wheat and milk shall not be infringed?

Every "right" you people think you have ultimately came from the fact we killed a lot British people and made it so.

>>136712835
which they are to a degree it's relies upon people believing in the values of the state and rights it administers and the state upholding the ideals that are expected of them.

Spencer is an athiest, another reason not to listen to him about the future of white people

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>>136722736
>At some point we are going to need some people who are unashamedly nazis running around.

There already are. Skinheads, biker gangs, and so on. Unfortunately the consensus seems to be these types ought to be shunned because they are unabashed scary looking thugs. For whatever (((reason))) the """alt-right""" types are more concerned with men's fashion than action.

>>136723779
Also read
>>136723935
This is part of what I was trying to get at, what do natural, unalienable rights mean if they can be suppressed. Rights that should not be alienated, now that jeans something, though it's a philosophical prescription, obviously, and you guys don't want to phrase it that way.

>>136712412
There are various types of society.

Amongst the enlightenment thinkers there were two popular states.

The state of war (state of nature) or civil society (state of law and rights)

When the law that governs civil society is corrupted you enter back into the state of nature and the equality which is bequeathed to all men by nature and natures God. A state without law and without rights.

The Jews destroyed the constitution and he rule of law in this country. Ergo we have returned to a state of war.

>>136717591
God does assure rights, that's why the state can't step on them.

>>136712412
Well, you are not inherently and naturally entitled to anything. Rights only exist if there's someone to force them.

>>136712412
>whites have a right to exist as white people
no thats not a right its an alt-right, which we know is racist and bad
>we must eliminate a race because we arent racists
i seriously hope the history books reflect how absurd the left is in this time period

>>136723841
>i think any speaker of Rockwell's calibre would have a series of mysterious accidents very quickly these days.

Exactly what happened to Jonathan Bowden.

>>136724342
>are more concerned with men's fashion than action.
Kek'd because it's true.

Spencer is basically a glorified motivational speaker. There's no deep philosophy behind his actions, he's merely stating what everyone knows to be true and is too scared to say out loud. Most of the tag-alongs riding in his wake do so not because they're ardent believers or because Spencer is some kind of great man-of-the-cause, but because he's already done the heavy lifting for them by taking the hits they're unwilling to take on their own. It's fucking country club activism.

>>136712412
He's just a nihilistic atheist.

>>136712412
Rights are a social construct. Saying that you have them are not enough when facing forces jellbent on not only ending your existence, but your people and your ancestor's history.

Sage. Wanna be anarchist

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>>136724777
Wew. Nailed it.

>>136723935
You didn't actually read what I wrote. Of course you should defend yourself from attacks, and this is a necessary part of the pursuit of life.

The point I'm making is that the abstract concept of rights *is* grounded in reality, namely the requirements of man's life due to his nature as a rational animal. Just because someone attacks you does not mean that your nature as a human has changed in any way.

Spencer, on the other hand, is arguing that rights are subjective and arbitrary, and can refer to whatever you wish provided you have the means to force others to conform. If rights are not grounded in objective reality, then the "collective" (whether that takes the form of "society," "the state," or "the race") may morally do whatever it wishes, at whomever's expense, just because "they say so and they have the guns."

Incidentally, this is precisely the kind of collectivist society that Spencer advocates.

>>136724239
See
>>136724887

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>>136712412
He swallowed the stirner pill

>>136716146
No

>>136712412
trying to have edgy point of view as usual

>>136719215
What are we going to do about the newfag question ?

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>>136724770
>It's fucking country club activism.

Nailed it. Definitely stealing this one. Too good not to.

>>136712412


There is a legal theory that defines that there's no such thing as rights, only obligations.

For instance, their is no right to bear arms only an obligation for the state to not intervene in carrying arms.
This would mean a restrictive form of gouvernment, but also reduce claims and expansion of law.
Another example is murder. You have the obligation to help others and keep them alive. that is your obligation. If you would do anything that wouldn't lead to the continuity of ones life. You would be breaching the social contract with the state and therefore be punished.

Basically the reverse of the current legal doctrine.

Was this doctrine ever used, you ask? Well yes dear reader. It was a legal theory mainly applied, but not fully, in Nazi Germany

Hasn't been used although it is an more correct way to interpret ones constitution and public law

>>136712412
Rights are human social constructs, but the notion certainly exists.
Rights don't protect your ass from getting killed by a nigger any more that the law against murder stops it from happening.

>>136724967
>such an injury can affect either one's person, property, or honor.
Schopenhauer is starting from the assumption that these things have an absolute and objective moral significance, from which rights flow. Many might disagree.

>>136725538
property is also a human construct
despook yourself

>>136724887
I know what you're arguing because I've seen this argument thrown around a million times before in different philosophy classes. You're insinuating there is some magical base-level of "rights" which are in tune with nature. The right to self-defense being one of them. It's very endearing and libertarian and also untrue. You can certainly think you are entitled to certain "inalienable rights", but you won't have them if the reigning power says so regardless of your internal thoughts about this. That's reality. That's always been reality. It's not "collectivist" to state reality. Spencer also is not insinuating rights flow from the state. That's just your own personal interpretation of what he's saying. He's saying your "natural rights" exist only when you enforce them. You, personally.

You're also looking at the world through the rose-tinted glasses of post-Enlightenment post-Christian thought. Muslims think they have the "right" to behead you and take your land because you're a kuffar. Your natural rights mean shit to them, they don't exist, and they have swords. What do you have? A constitution? Greco-Roman legalistic concepts of reason?

What are rights without the will and means to enforce them?
Delusion.

>>136725700
I know, I am thoroughly despooked.

>>136725642
He's just saying 'rights' are defined in terms of 'wrongs'. You have the right to do that which is not wrong. That's the logic of the situation.

>>136712835
Rights are provided by the state. Everything you think you own including your own body is only yours because of the threat of force which dissuades others from taking it.

Without it you yourself cannot impose even close to enough threat of force to guarantee you never find out otherwise as the state does.

>>136725841
That's a completely incorrect description of my argument. I'm not arguing for any "base-level of rights." I'm saying there is a principle of social organization based on the objective facts of man's nature, and this principle states that interfering with man's pursuit of life is an attack on him.

Again, just because someone can attack you does not change the nature of man, nor does it change the requirements for man's pursuit of life. This is what is meant by "inalienable," despite the Leftist attempt to misconstrue the meaning. It also provides the framework for judging what actually constitutes a violation of rights--initiation of force--and why self defense against such violations is both necessary and just.

For example, it would be just to use overwhelming force to cripple any Jihadist's ability to harm the United States and raze their nations to the ground.

Both your and Spencer's argument, however, is that rights are "whatever we deem them to be, provided we have the power to force others to conform." That is how all totalitarian societies are premised, and they always meet with stagnation.

By contrast, insofar as the principle of individual rights has been upheld, so have we seen skyrocketing progress and the most rapid material advancement in the history of humanity. It's amazing what happens when you organize societies in line with the objective nature of man.

>>136712412
>What did he mean by this?
He's right. The only rule of the day is "might makes right"
"rights" are only allowed because society accepts and enforces them

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Rights don't exist - they're not granted by deities or metaphysical forces.

If I say I have the right to XYZ and am willing to kill you to ensure that I have that right. If the state willing to kill you for my XYZ I also have that right as long as the state feels that way.

>>136712412
I would agree, until they are asserted. Much like freedom. Everything has a consequence however. Dare I say an equal and opposite reaction to every action? It's all relative anons, all relative.

>>136717274
stirnerism doesn't care about workling class

>>136712412
That's because Richard Spencer is a totalitarian piece of garbage who views one's racial identity as more important than their individuality.

In that, he is fundamentally anti-Western and anti-American. Because of this, his followers are dumb sheep

The reason that in the United States rights are declared to be bestowed by God is that they cannot be taken away by the state.

Therefore, the problem with state-sanctioned rights is that by sheer will such rights may be removed, a process which is currently happening all throughout Europe and in the UK in particular.

In short, Scumbag Richard Spencer is not fundamentally different from the socialist neo-liberal autocrats who run Europe today. They both agree in collectivization and the usurpation of indivudal identity, Spencer just views this collectivization on racial grounds.

>"Give up your identity for the good of your race"

No.

This sort of thinking is inherently destructive, anti-American, and anti-Western, and should be shot down anytime it arises

>>136727165
The state of nayure literally varies from philosopher to another. Hobbes would advocate it's a perpetual state of war of all against all, Locke would instead argue it's a state of perfect freedom where all men stand equal due to having the exact same access to the advantages of nature, Rousseau would instead argue we are not necessarily free but that free from the hand of civilisation we'd all be noble savages who exist in a natural state of piety and kindness. The list just goes on.

>>136712412
It's the ultimate blackpill. You're only permitted to have certain rights as long as the state and the elite allows it. One moment you resist their Agendas or do something non conformist like google memo case, and you suddenly don't have rights. If your rights can be taken at a whim, then you've never really had rights but temporary privileges.

The only right that I'd argue exists is right by conquest

>>136712412
Rights are something given to you by some party. You´re a cuck if you believe in "rights" instead of just doing whatever you want and living life according to your own morals.

>>136712412
Because rights can be ignored, claiming they exist is pointless to perterb the ones ignoring them. You need to fight for your right

>>136728742
individuals die alone

>>136729884
>Commie

You'd agree with Richard Spencer more than you know, but your flag is bait anyways.

Besides, a community is made by individuals, so the best way to improve a community is to empower the individual.

>>136730070
>that nonsense
you improve a community by improving the community, improving the individual does nothing for community, it only improves the individual. the rest doesn't just happen magically.

stop this "individualism" meme now before it turns you into a walking, talking ego

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All Americans have the right to health-cayuh!

He means rights, being flimsy conceptions with little to no basis in reality, don't actually exist. They're rhetorical illusions. You don't have any rights naturally, you're merely afforded privileges by whatever authorities have power over you.

>>136712412
>A nigger aid from Ghana lives with us, hired to take care of her. Mom makes turkey one night. Nigger sets a portion aside that she can add nigger spices to. She asks my mom if she wants to try it and when she says no she laughs at her. I was furious that she acts like she has a leg up on her or can handle something that she can't when she's not even American. I talk to mom in privacy and tell her that nigger aid is a second class citizen and always will be, that it's insulting to act like the world is worth exploring or that any culture has value or that value can be found outside of America, that Ghana is a stinky shithole full of niggers who cry themselves to sleep every night wishing they were American, and that she should be

There are no god given rights, only those that a nations society can afford to give.

This is what he means.

>>136717757
>rights being a function of the nature of man.
In a state of Nature, any beast that wants to violate your "right to free speech" by ripping your throat out is free to do so, Mother Nature isn't going to intervene and defend your rights.

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>>136712412
Rights literally don't exist. They're construct and only through our willingness to fight for them do they exist as an idea. Once you are no longer willing to fight for your rights they become a set of temporary privileges and soon after they no longer exist. Which is why the UK and Germany, and all the big EU states violate their own constitutions. You either have free speech or you don't, if there are limits speech is no longer free. Welcome to reality.

>>136712412
Human rights are a social construct in the purest sense of the term. Show me your rights. Lets examine them on a table. Oh. .you mean you can't do that? Well, whats to stop me from violating your "rights?" Either your own might or someone else's might on your behalf. Ultimately you don't own what you cannot secure for yourself through force.

>>136712412
Rights are a myth created by classical liberalism.
Go tell a Fucking tornado or a tiger about your right to life.
In nature the only rights are those that can be secured by force

>>136712835
Anything that can be taken for you by another human being is not an inherent right. It's a privilege, which you hold at the pleasure of those strong enough to take it from you. Legal rights are provided by the state, because the state is strong enough to protect you.

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>"Rights do not exist, there is only violence"
>"Virtue does not exist, there is only the common good"
Both sides are wrong and the followers of these failed ideologies are enemies of the nation.

ITT: people fail to understand what Spencer is trying to say because he didn't write entire essay in Twitter messages

>>136716991
Government is just an extension of it's citizens.. that is, unless jews have hijacked it.

So sorry for your pickle

>>136716974
Why are the guys who use Nazi or Confederate flags on /pol/ always falseflagging lefties or trolls? True racists use their default country flag, or maybe a tasteful White Supremacist flag.

>>136733464
Rights don't exist, faggot, only the will to power exists.

>>136712835
>>136712985
>>136713032
Rights were given to us by god when he gave man free will, kikes and the state should be executed for their crimes against humanity. You and your ilk have ropes with your names on them.

>>136733687
>rights do not exist because people can violate them
I guess nobody can own anything then, because it can always be stolen.

>>136732705
liberalism acknowledges that tbqh, hence the argument for constitutional government based on national sovereignty and the right of revolution

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>>136733464
Feel free to make this interesting by arguing.

Also, anyone want to engage with my question:

>>136723779

I think it was enrich the thread

>>136733942
You can really only own that property and territory which you can exert dominance over or which a community or other collective recognizes as yours.

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>>136712835

>>136724962
those two posts say exactly the same thing
>man with gun has right to do what man with gun wants
>man with no gun has right to do what man with gun allows

sprinkle the words 'collectivist' and 'objective' around at random if you like but you get the picture

>>136734050
I never implied that I wan an anarcho-capitalist. I believe in a strong, constitutional government that RECOGNIZES the natural rights given to us by God.

>>136734119
Commie pls.

>>136733942
>Retarded strawman.
Rights are put into place by society to prevent these things from happening, but that does not make them exist in any objective sense.

>>136733610
hence why twitter is absolute cancer, whats the point of celebrating a platform which purposefully limits the ability to express yourself? It's all fine if you wanna declare trivial shit to the world like what you had for dinner or the consistency of your last shit but the platform immediately falls apart once you have anything worth saying that extends 2 sentences. And all of that would be fine if people didn't take what was said there so seriously.

>>136719711
Fuck off fascist hate speech

>>136719712
Social constructs makes them facts.

>>136732705
I think the idea is that rights don't extend to actions of forces of nature.
>>136733942
Now this is interesting. The problem is that nobody in this thread calling property something immutablt tied to a person.

>>136719714
Human rights is what prevents them from arresting people on grounds of hate speech.

>>136734523
>rights are put into place by society
So are gender roles. I'm assuming that since you post on /pol/, you are not a radical feminist. So it would follow that you understand that just because something is a social construct does not mean it isn't real.

>>136712412

>Spencer being the typical Zionist shill

The real argument is that "human rights" do not exist. Civic rights may exist but for a Godless people like the Leftists to claim in any natural rights is absurd.

>>136719215
>>136725091
The eternal newfag

>>136734639
>Social constructs makes [rights] facts.
Facts of life, maybe, but hardly universal truths.

>>136712412
He is saying than man has no rights for just existing. One of the government's main functions should be to give people the ability to have them by protecting the population.

>>136734497
>Commie pls.
So people have ownership merely because a piece of paper says so, even if they're unable to actually hold that property and others are capable of depriving them of it? Absentee landlord, pls go! People like you are what ruined feudalism.

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>>136712412
Spencer is a shill but he is right.

Rights are just a made up thing. You have none at all and the only way to maintain the perception of a "right" is through force.

>>136712835
Rights exist apriori (see Hoppe)

Whether they are respected or enforced is down to the natural order and force.

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>>136734906
Did you not read 1984?

>If something exists in the minds of the courts, or in this case, the inner party, and for that matter, the party, it becomes truth. The mind creates reality not the other way around, if we make something fact in our head, it becomes fact in yours too. - O'brien

>>136734790
Sure, in the sense that they are part of life.
This does not provide any sort of rational basis for their objective existence.

>>136713073
because he's a counter signaling little faggot. i swear i want to like this guy, but he makes it borderline impossible.

>>136734497
>constitutional government that RECOGNIZES the natural rights given to us by God.
God gave other people the free will to deprive you of your so-called God-given rights. You're merely an entitled brat, a liberal with autism, if you will.

I see a lot of people saying that rights are a social construct. Hurr durr congratulations Einstein. That doesn't mean they don't or shouldn't exist.

>>136734977
Yes, and taking it from them is stealing. Theft does not stop being wrong because something is particularly easy to steal.

>>136735173
He gave people the ABILITY not the RIGHT

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>>136734497
Of course, sorry for the implication. Just wanted to post a stimulating pic unrelated to my post.
>>136734639
So races are fact now?
>>136734790
Gender roles are backed up by the results of scientific investigations into biology and psychology. Furthermore, they were arrived at over thousands of years by our ancestors as being the way in which to live which is correct for our nature. Naturally, this can potentially vary between racial and ethnic groups.

>>136735173
>a liberal with autism

Redundant but point well received.

>>136734790
No, sex-defined social roles came about through biological and social evolutionary processes. To compare sexual dimorphism in behavior and social roles to the rhetorical construct that are rights is highly disingenuous or highly ignorant.

>>136735075
I did.You are citing a fictional government which intentionally brainwashes its citizens.
Unfortunately, this quote refers merely to perceived truth, and not objective existence of anything.

>>136714936
He's criticizing this woman for making her argument for white people an appeal to universal rights. By doing this, she buys into the status quo frame and assumes that as long as her arguments are sound and consistent within this frame, she'll win.

>>136735173
>God.
Where's your christcuck memeflag?

>>136735279
>taking it from them is stealing.
In this case the absentee landlord trying to assert his ownership with the piece of paper is committing theft against the folk who actually hold the property and can defend their possession with force.
>He gave people the ABILITY not the RIGHT
God only grants abilities, not rights; rights are a human philosophical and political construction, not something defined by God. Rights are a thing of Caesar.

>>136735585
God-given (when talking about the nature of rights) means that the rights are not given by the state but are inherent to the people.

>>136735746
>In this case the absentee landlord trying to assert his ownership with the piece of paper is committing theft against the folk who actually hold the property and can defend their possession with force.
Just because you live somewhere does not mean you own the land.

>God only grants abilities, not rights; rights are a human philosophical and political construction, not something defined by God. Rights are a thing of Caesar.
I respectfully disagree.

>>136736129
>rights... are inherent to the people.
I fail to see a rational basis for any such conclusion. From where do these rights come?

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>>136735585
Implying only the contemporary Christian view of God exists?

>>136713848
>popularity is a definer of intelligence
You're doing it wrong, brit

>>136736356
Forgive me if I find it atypical that a nazi would worship Hermes.

>>136735585
He's not wrong mate, John Locke literally uses biblical sources as his basis for his natural state of man/nature. Seculartards (and I'm one of them tbqh) too often want to hold on to this idea of unalienable rights (which is basically jefferson plagiarising locke), but without religious support those values actually start to crack. It's a shame many do not seem to address that.

>>136736129
>Just because you live somewhere does not mean you own the land.
That's a very Jewish line of thought,that people who live on the land have no ownership or claim to it, only rootless cosmopolitan bankers and landlords can own land. Not that that's what you're saying, but that is what what you're saying leads to.

>>136736524
I believe you and I agree.

>>136714136
I think so. Watch his interviews he sounds like a fucking moron. He's not that dumb.

>>136736509
I don't worship Hermes, I worship the Ineffable God. Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus is merely the legendery greatest priest, greatest philosopher and greatest lawgiver in the mists of early human history.

>>136736524
I think that the argument from then is actually that these rights represent conditions in which man should live because that way is the best or correct manner of existence for him. The problem is that they don't want to give up this god-given/somehow inalienable angle, which is stronger if left unquestioned.

>>136736562
>That's a very Jewish line of thought
Really? Because I was just about to say the same about you.
>this isn't your land anymore goy, you don't our arbitrary standards of ownership. I'm just gonna take it and make sure it's more productive. We all need to do what's best for Isra... I mean the state.