Why there are no Anarcho-Capitalism generals here on /pol/?

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There's a libertarian general that gets semi-frequently posted.

>>136710802
Can you link me it?

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>>136709921
It's called /biz/
We are still accumulating anon, we can take over after we moon

>>136709921
Because your bullshit ideology would never work, you guys are as bad as the communists

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>>136712255
Economic freedom is directly correlated with economic prosperity.

>>136712334
Yeah too much freedom
>inb4 muh freedom

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>>136712678
So you prefer less prosperity? Do the favelas of Brazil or mud huts of Africa appeal to you?

>>136709921
Because collectivism is a form of communist government. True Ancap threads have no replies

>>136709921
Can someone post the required reading for AnCap?

That would be nice in giving people the foundation.

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Meme ball thread. GO

>>136712965
Shut up nigger, you literally have no arguments against my McNuke, the only way your bullshit of a ideology would work is if everybody on the planet forsaked there evolutionary makeup and became enlightened overnight. But if that happened Communism would be the go too even then.

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>>136712965
>I don't know what race is

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>>136713780
Even Chile and Botswana have turned out well despite being made of Latinos and Blacks by being more free market than their neighbors.

>>136709921
STOP MAKING GENERALS OF FAILED IDEOLOGIES

Go ahead no one is stopping you.

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>>136714143
Like /natsoc/?

>>136711857
how much did you make the past three/four days on btc? I've been in since $1950

>>136711139
Also there's an /LRG/ discord, I'll see if I can find it

>>136709921
collectivism is bad

>>136714143
>>136714385
Ohhhh anon got you there

>>136714395
>how much did you make the past three/four days on btc? I've been in since $1950
BTC 32%+ for me

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>>136714143
kys swastika commie

>>136714771
noice, I'm up 55% at the peak

I've been wondering where the AnCap threads went. These are always so wonderfully autistic, I love em.

What do you devoted AnCaps think of a Night Watchman state? What functions could it have that fill the gaps in AnCap logic?

>>136714090
>Implying Chile is any better of than its neighbors
Worse off actually
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?end=2016&locations=AR-CL-BR&name_desc=false&start=1961
And this is coming from a country that has a very large European minority within it. South Africa showed what a black mass led by a white minority is capable of and Chile is hardly the best example of that. Botswana also has a very sizeable post-colonial white minority as well as being very sparsely populated.

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>>136715824
>uses a graph of just GDP
That's like comparing Switzerland to China and claiming China is doing better because it has a bigger GDP. You have to look at the GDP per capita to get a proper view of things.

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>>136715824
And here's the Human development index showing Chile doing better.

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>>136715824
And this is a chart showing international corruption. You'll notice that Chile is one of the few Latin American nations doing okay.

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>>136715824
And finally just to show the correlation to economic free here's another pic.

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>>136716247
Better than who? They're literally par the course for the countries in their region. They're no better off than Argentina or Uruguay, which both also happen to be South African countries with large white portions of their populations. You're just proving my point, bud.

>>136714395
Thank you! Did you foun it now?

>>136716382
>Germany
>economic free
lol. do you have a permit to post those images?

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>>136709921
For future use

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>>136716701
>I strawman the people I don't like because if I didn't my shitty globalist ideology wouldn't hold up
Typical leftist

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>>136716924
>Libertarian
>Globalist
Pick one

>>136717085
Oh so you support economic protectionism and strong, tightly regulated borders? You believe in nationalism, as opposed to humanitarianism, ie your people's rights should be held higher than any other people's?

>>136717085
>>136716701
>>136716633
Hey you fags stop arguing about who has more freedom and come troll the bootlickers>>136713848

>>136716526
There's an /lrg/ site with reading list etc
http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/

Last /lrg/ thread
>>136652148

Think the discord is in there

>>136718052
Thanks!

>>136717745
>Someone called us on our bullshit in this thread so we better just run with our tails between our legs to troll some other thread
TYPICAL LEFTISTS
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>>136709921
AnCap is so fucking natural there is no point making thread about it.

>>136718468
>Communism just works guys there's no need to even discuss it

>>136717301
We all have the same rights as endowed by the act of our creation. If you wish to restrict or forfeit yours by allowing rulers to subvert them, that is your choice to make. If we desire to protect our property or trade it with others, that is our choice to make.

Can there at least be a super tiny government for public schools, roads, and military?

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>>136718542
No need to discuss communism, just need pilots

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>>136718957
Why?

>>136718468
>this is the person who will tell you the old Human Nature meme on
>It just do

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>>136716924
>globalist
No. Free-trade and voluntary association only.

>>136719099
Because I don't want to be a marine for Amazon.

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>>136719253
You can always form a militia. Heck, right now there's 276 militias within the USA alone.

Stop being an ancap larper. What do you want out of it? Toxic lakes, smog filled cities, streets plastered in advertisments and prostitutes and druggies on every street corner? The ancap utopian society is a fucking nightmare.
Im not for socialism. Im for fascism that seeks to do whats best for the people. I dont want socialism. I want freedom - but not total freedom. I belive in the right for government to purge degenerates. You claim market forces will purge degenerates naturally but look at our current system - tranny comic strip authors are getting thousands a month. We need a boot that stomps out the gilth and purifies the nation.
I think most of you are just mad about all the excessive regulation and taxation - so am i, but you take it too far.

>>136718957
I fucking asked that question a few posts ago REEEEEEEEEEE

>>136709921
because it's jewish movement, fag.

>>136718957
If that is your desire, then create or support it.

Just know that minarchist government is what we had in the states before it became mired in collectivism and central planning and expanded out of control.

Also, know that employees leading public institutions do not have the incentive that private business owners in a competitive free market have to provide you with a quality service. A public institution is always a monopoly and monopolies always lead to increased expenses and lowered quality of the goods and services they provide.

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>>136719638
>Toxic lakes, smog filled cities
That's what we want to prevent.

>prostitutes and druggies on every street corner
There would likely be less druggies and prostitutes actually, they would just be less hidden.

>>136719638
dude I haven't met a swede like your self thank you

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>>136719638
>not wanting gilth
So who prospers in a society with no gibs, voluntary association only (ie freedom to discriminate, no diversity bullshit) , no affirmative action etc etc and where you can create a covenant (contractually enforced) like pic related?

>>136718720
>We all have the same rights
So in other words, we're all equal? That sounds mighty leftist of you.

>>136719167
Free trade leads to globally-integrated economies, that's exactly what's occurring now. Your quote is kind of nonsensical too, harping on about how we need "free-association" but refusing to allow people to voluntarily live wherever they please. That doesn't logically follow. He wants to integrate our economies, but not our people. Why stop halfway? It's unprincipled.

>>136709921

Ancap checking in, but like any good capitalist, too busy hustling and employing people to spend a lot of time fucking around on 4chan.

>>136718957
I was actually thinking about how social planning would work in ancapistan, and Geo-libertarian (gov can only collect land taxes) monarchy seems pretty in line with the NAP so long as the monarch is a literal king and has full private ownership of the estate and funds. My problem with Geo-Libertarianism is that it over rewards businesses with small geographical burden and punishes large land ventures like agriculture. So since monarchs tend to be discontiguous and geographically small (Austria/Germany was 138 different kingdoms before its nationalization), You could have Geo-Libertarian monarchs control urban commons and business centers while rural areas and farms function as completely sovereign property.

AnCaps can't explain the free market without sounding like a terrorist

Economy good?

>It was the free market! Praise it!

Economy bad?

>The free market will fix it! Believe harder, fucking infidels!

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>tfw 20 year old NEET's who have never worked a day in their life are actively shilling for me in a circle-jerk imageboard

>>136709921
There has been several, but they seem to collapse because there isn't any kind of order.

>>136720369
if it makes you butthurt we must be doing something right

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>>136720256
When all the good economies are free market and all the bad economies are heavily regulated it starts to becomes less of an argument and more of a denial of basic statistical facts.

>>136720120
>free association
No its free trade, and voluntary association. Voluntary association means no affirmative action, no diversity, and the right to discriminate. He's saying you can lock borders down and refuse immigration,while still maintaining free trade - if you choose to do so.

>>136720256
Ancap free trade is not the same as current regulated, artificial monopoly, capitalist system.

>>136720120
> harping on about how we need "free-association" but refusing to allow people to voluntarily live wherever they please
see:
>>136719167

Private property cannot exist in a meaningful way without a state to act as a moral arbiter and enforce it.

>>136721007
Why rely on the state as arbiter? You have good reason to trust your Government, and to give them a monopoly on judicial violence? I'm not sure the bundy's would agree..

>>136721007
>Private property cannot exist in a meaningful way without a state to act as a moral arbiter and enforce it.
you're partially right, and ancapism doesn't deny that private property needs enforcement, it just seeks to privatize that essential facet of society as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o&t=6s

this idea I think is really useful even independent of ancapism, it allows for the most efficient, humane, and effective methods of laws and law enforcement to rise to the top, and for real separation of powers to exist

>>136720746
Of course you could do that, but why would you want to? It doesn't really make sense from either side of the argument. You're putting yourself hallway between globalism and nationalism. You're integrating global capital, but not global labor. It's kind of nonsensical in a way. From a globalist/ancap perspective you're impeding on the rights of individuals from moving to different countries. From a nationalist perspective, you're making your nation reliant on foreign goods as opposed to taking what you need in a true Darwinian fashion. You're neither making your nation stronger nor creating some kind of deterritorialized hyper-individual wasteland. What are you trying to accomplish with such a policy?

>>136720921
That's who I'm responding to...

>>136721695
you obviously didn't read the picture, i'm telling you to read it

>>136721810
I obviously did read the picture because I addressed it's argument in my reply. It's an argument in favor of just the globalization of our economy rather than the globalization of both our economy and people. Well my question is, why not opposed the global integration of both?

>>136720120
The acknowledgment of personal sovereignty is not the same thing as support for equality of outcome nor equality of opportunity for that matter.

It is merely a statement of fact that we own ourselves. Because of that, we own our actions and the effects of those actions.

To infringe upon self-ownership and principles arising from self-ownership is unethical and thus we have a natural law, so to speak.

>>136721695
Sorry, I was unclear in my previous post. Hoppe is not suggesting that as a course of action. He's responding to the suggestion that free trade implies immigration and globalism. He's saying they are not intrinsically linked "so a restrictive immigration policy and segregation is not a rejection of free trade". Basically its a counter to the libertarianism/ancap = open borders crap.

>>136722175
Yes and you are saying that it applies to everyone equally. Everyone is equal and to not say everyone is equal is unethical. That's no different than a communist, you just have a different definition of equal.

>>136722138
> why not opposed the global integration of both?
because that makes you objectively weaker in every possible metric
>significantly poorer
>less allies
>lower cost of going to war with you since you isolated yourself
there's a reason we put sanctions our enemies, doing it to yourself is asinine

>>136720120
>So in other words
no you retard

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Everything right of liberalism just feeds Porky with money... What many on pol would refer to as the jew.

>>136718957
sure, if it's all voluntary then go and knock yourself out with your statist fetish. but don't have the wrong ideas and try to force people to pay for your fetish...

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>>136723029
Including liberalism

>>136719638
>Toxic lakes, smog filled cities, streets plastered in advertisments and prostitutes and druggies on every street corner?
sounds pretty comfy tbqdesu

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>>136723029
don't spend it all in one place

>>136719844
t.national SOCIALIST

>>136722347
It is true that everyone is born owning themselves. To say otherwise is a perversion of truth as you cannot disagree without demonstrating ownership and control of yourself.

It is indeed false to say that everyone has the same biological, sociological, or psychological proclivities just as it is false to say that they all possess the same amount of resources or earn the same wage. Just stating facts here.

>>136721007
a 15 yo on a chinese dog skinning forum debunked decades of scientific research by nobel prize winning economists with just one sentence

>>136709921
It's a kike ideology it's exactly where the kikes would flourish.

>>136722242
They don't necessarily have to go together, but it's logical that one would follow the other. I'd argue that this is exactly what has occurred to the West in the past few decades. The idea of completely replacing the people of the West with 3rd Worlders certainly wasn't prevalent in say the 50s when ideas of global free trade certainly were. But moneyed interests made richer by economic globalization have slowly come to realize that the globalization of labor would make them even more rich. And eventually you get the whole corporate machine backing multiculturalism and diversity.

Regardless, that doesn't really answer my question as to why you'd want to meet the globalists halfway on this in the first place. History has clearly shown that imperialism and colonialism can more than make up for the gains free trade would otherwise bring. Why trade with South Africa for platinum when you can knock in the door and take it yourself? Of course you'd have to be brutal, humanitarian occupation is doomed to failure.

>>136722729
Gains from trade are due to comparative advantage, if the nation you are trading with has no comparative advantage in anything over you then you would gain nothing from trading with them. That's not to say that complete autarky in the form of comparative advantage in every possible industry is necessarily possible, but that a sufficiently powerful nation could gain a comparative advantage in enough industries to make up for the opportunity cost of there being less trade.

>>136722928
I don't think we can talk if you're not proficient in English.

>>1367230 29
weak

>>136709921
Perfectly happy with one, but the communism one is a troll thread, some guy from leftypol posts it and it gets bombed with "fuck off n die" so that's why it's always bumped

>>136723803
not an argument

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>>136709921
There already is one nigger, it's called /lrg/

here's the last thread
>>136610149

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>>136724056
>Expecting an argument against a non-argument

>>136709921
2autistic4me

>>136723608
It's not true that everyone is born owning themselves. You're born owning nothing. A baby has ownership over literally nothing, even a small animal like a cat could take the world from it. Creation does not endow you with anything other than life, certainly not rights. You own as much as you can take in your given circumstances and people are born unable to take the food or water or shelter they need to survive.

>>136710802
Lolbertarians are just thinly veiled minarchists. Fuck em.

>>136723803
>Gains from trade are due to comparative advantage
not true, they're due to specialization and expansion of the resource pool, when two countries engage in free trade, the both reach a larger production possibility than the two could have individually

Where should I start if I wanted to become an Ancap?

>>136724612
>Creation does not endow you with anything other than life
>other than life
that's what he was saying... that you're born owning your life

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>>136724750
It'll teach you a lot of useful political theory and redpills about the middle ages while you're at it

>>136721556
>it just seeks to privatize that essential facet of society as well
So you get the Purge but 365 days per year where the well-off can protect themselves and the unlucky are hunted and butchered.

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>>136724981
how about you actually watch the video retard

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>>136724750
What this guy said
>>136724927
Also Anatomy of the State by Rothbard, both available online, links here
http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/

Also pic related

>>136724696
Comparative advantage is due to specialization. A country specializes in basket weaving to have a comparative advantage over other countries in basket weaving so that it can sell baskets for cheaper than domestic companies in foreign countries could make them for. Specialization successfully creates comparative advantage with sufficient capital, superior human capital, or cheap enough labor. It stands to reason that a strong enough country would easily able to attain these things through force in enough industries to make up for the gains it could otherwise get through free trade.

>>136724827
Babies aren't even aware that they're alive, they don't know what alive is. If you can't protect it and you don't know it exists, how can you own it?

>>136724612
That is an unfortunate result of human evolution, but it doesn't mean you can go around killing infants, toddlers, adolescents, etc... without consequence just because they're weaker than you. The parents, for instance, may splatter your brains against the wall with a shotgun.

>>136725388
Another reason you own yourself is that you were the first person to acquire your life and use it.

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>anarchy

>>136725792
>The parents, for instance, may splatter your brains against the wall with a shotgun.
That's what I've been saying this entire time. There are no rights endowed by a creator, natural rights do not exist. Might makes right, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must. If you kill a kid maybe the parents will kill you in return. Maybe you'll kill the parents too. There's no God-given natural rights about it, power is the bedrock.

>>136727411
You're not addressing what I said, just ignoring it. You exist, that doesn't mean you own yourself. Rocks exist, they hardly have the agency to own themselves.

>>136724696
wow sounds like you don't know what comparative advantage.

it's quite literally specialization. country A is more suited to grow oranges, while country B is more suited to produce milk. both these countries excel in a product that the other needs, and so trade relations bolster because each has a comparative advantage over the other in the production of certain commodities

this is why no one takes ancaps seriously, you're all dumb as fuck

>>136724142
are you literally shaking?

>>136724750
take helicopter classes

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>>136724981
What makes you think that would happen?

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>>136728157
>country A is more suited to grow oranges, while country B is more suited to produce milk. both these countries excel in a product that the other needs, and so trade relations bolster because each has a comparative advantage over the other in the production of certain commodities
None of that disproves what he said.

>>136709921
>have Anarcho-Capitalism
>some dude gets super rich
>buys himself an army and bombs
>decides to become the king
>have no Anarcho-Capitalism

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>>136729190
>decides to become the king
How would he become the king? Why would he become the king?

>>136729190
Shit. No an cap EVER thought of that. Boy are our faces red...

>>136729393
Why did people decide to become the king for the entirety of human existance?
Because they could if for no other reason.

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>>136729611
But it wouldn't be profitable for him to become king. He would have more wealth just staying a super rich capitalist. Not to mention the risk to his health and safety that this endeavor would cause. He'd be going against his own self interest trying to become king.

>>136729533
Then it should be easy to debunk

>>136729801
He can take taxes and make people work for him. The same thing that people have always done, exactly because it is profitable

Hierarchy is part of human nature.

>>136709921
Fuck Capitalism.

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>>136730008
>He can take taxes
He can take taxes in the territory he has conquered, while dealing with heavy resistance and tax evasion. As a businessman, he was taking in profits from people globally.

>make people work for him
That's not really a good thing, the more people he has working for the more wages he has to pay out. Not to mention that all these people he's forcing to work for him will be vastly less productive than they were previously. This is assuming, of course, that he even can manage to become king in the first place.

>Anarcho
>Capitalism

Is this trolling or are you guis serious ?

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>>136730657
>Anarcho
>Communism

I would say the same to you.

>>136729190
fucking germans. i swear you people are the downfall of everything. the jews should have gassed you.

>>136730657
It is still better then your shitty ideology.

>>136716382
>Baltics edconomicaly free
Well our rulling party is social democrat but we have low taxes despite that desu, and we are one of fastest growing economies in EU.

>>136730931
this

>>136730413
>dealing with heavy resistance and tax evasion
Every new government hast that problem, but it gets better after some time. Even if there would be no benefits, at some point people will try it. You end up with a bunch of small kingdoms just like in the middle ages.

>>136730916
Stop being so salty, Shlomo.

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>>136731627
>Every new government hast that problem, but it gets better after some time
Likely long after the death of the guy who did the invading. It's kind of like the question "why doesn't the USA just invade South America?". There's a lot of other factors and difficulties that go forcing a government on the people, and by the time you're finally getting a hold of things you've spent an enormous amount of resources for very little payoff.

>>136709921
>ancap
>AK47 instead of US made AR-15

>>136732040
And what about cartels? What stops the companies to team up and lower the wages until workers are barely able to live? Same thing with skyrocketing prices. You can say, some companies would sell it cheaper so the prices would came down again but that isn't happening today and we need laws do prevent that, why wouldn't this happen with Anarco-Capitalism?

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>>136733060
Let's say 3 companies dominate the market in cars, then they decide to work together to raise their prices. What that does is give room for new competition to come in, since now any business who has the potential to sell cars could do so and make an enormous profit simply by selling at a lower price and fucking over the cartel. Keep in mind, Ancapistan wouldn't have copright laws, Corporate personhood, limited liability, the Federal Reserve, or bailouts, so a lot of the shit that companies pull to maintain their oligarchies simply wouldn't be possible in Ancapistan.

What if another country invades you? Who is in charge to organize a defence? I doubt that many people would be willing to constantly pay private military companies just in case for an attack.

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>>136733060
Not to mention that cartels would be very hard to form, since Ancapistan wouldn't have any tariffs either, and thus would be always participating in the global market. A cartel of 3 businesses is relatively easy to form with trust between the members not to screw over each other, a cartel of 300 businesses, all from different cultures, not so much.

>>136733639
But if it comes to wages, no company would have a reason not to be part in lowering them.

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>>136733580
5th generational warfare has made war an extremely unprofitable business, just look at the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and how much of a money sink that was with still little success to show for it. PMC's would definitely be hired and likely provide the first line of defense, but even after they are defeated there would be a large and heavily armed militia performing guerilla warfare to deal with.

Plus, I think people overestimate the risk of invasion. 22 nations today have no military to speak of. The world is so interconnected and codependent that the second some jackass starts invading people he'll just end up hurting his nation far more than he will help it.

>>136709921
What's preventing me to buy all the land around your house so that you can't go outside anymore in anarcho-capitalist society?

Oh yea and who would give out peaces of land? Is it just that who builds first owns the land? That would be kind of strange and totally fuck up the environment.

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>>136733882
They're still fighting over the same workforce, so if they want to have the amount of people they need for maximum efficiency then that would likely require raising wages or offering other benefits. That being said, if they don't need more workers or are okay with having lower quality workers then they could probably lower wages, but this would be offset by the lowered cost of products they're offering.

The environment is a problem in general, without regulations the companies would just do what ever they want and poison the whole area around them just because it saves money like they do in china.

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>>136734950
They would be able to damage their own property, but not the property of others, since if they smog up my property then I can sue them.

>>136735165
>sue them
How does a judge get their legitimacy and what prevents them from taking bribes?

I remember these threads being a lot jewier.
I guess the big leagues moved over to /biz/

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>>136709921

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>>136735165
>even after they are defeated there would be a large and heavily armed militia performing guerilla warfare to deal with
No there wouldn't.
War is extremely unprofitable.

>>136709921
1. fck off nigger
2. all the other gens are from commies
3. anarcho-capit is still a load of shit
>>136713396
nigger these faggots can't give you a DEFINITION
and you ask for some reading
t. fagggggooooooooooooots and abstractions

>>136709921
>anarchist
>general
>organizing
you're doing it wrong, don't become like the commie scum

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>>136735892
to>>136734071

>>136716247
>Canada
>low corruption
>Sweden
>low corruption
I bet the guy who made this was a jew

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>>136709921

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>>136709921

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>>136709921
Because it is a retarded insane meme ideology.
Libertarians at least are sane enough for minarchism and understanding of need for a state.

Ancaps think that making private absolutely unregulated capitalist won't just become a state in itself.
I would unironically rather live in some socialist shithole then some caveman Mad Max world.

>>136736844
>>136736890
Why do ancapcucks praise that CIA man who ruined economy, lowered salaries and created debt?

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>>136736958
back to russia with you, nigger

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>>136737190
Nice argument.

>>136737160
Because they know that him hanging a few people from helicopters is the only reason their retarded ideology has any traction.

>>136716121
GDP per capita or GDP per lele is same shit GDP, doesn't shows you at all if people have enough money to buy basic things. Just shows you how many useless corporations of inflated money exist who have skyscrapers you don't own where you wageslave for small fries with debt.
If you are poor and they construct additional 1000 billionaire owned skyscrapers, you are still poor or poorer, since they will get lower taxes and you will have to pay for it.

>>136737590
I don't think they understand what can be branded as Communist, everybody who has any ownership over any company or home, basically everybody who isn't a debt slave can be labeled by Pinochet as Communist.

>>136737441

Isn't the government essentially a company?

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>>136737160
>lowered salaries
Literally not even true.

>>136737160
>ruined economy
slav education

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>>136737954
Yes.
But it's main product and consire is and should be Nation.

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>>136738150
Do you know how much expensive things are now compare to 1930? What is your graph even proving? You basically move to big city with high salaries and can never leave, since you will create debt. Switzerland might have high salary but they are in debt 3 times their created salary. Also Switzerland and New York are places where gold is smuggled through and money is created out of thin air. This whole monetary system is a joke. People who produce nothing at all create the most money, people who deal with money only create the most money, it's a scam.

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>>136738203
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
CIA shill to ruin economy, army and create NATO, globalism:
>CIA helped fabricate a conspiracy against the Allende government, which Pinochet was then portrayed as preventing.
>A document released by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 2000, titled "CIA Activities in Chile", revealed that the CIA actively supported the military junta after the overthrow of Allende, and that it made many of Pinochet's officers into paid contacts of the CIA or U.S. military, even though some were known to be involved in human rights abuses.[32] The CIA also maintained contacts in the Chilean DINA intelligence service. DINA led the multinational campaign known as Operation Condor
Only enriched himself and his buddies by selling native industry and thus creating shortterm GDP growth, also created GDP with inflation:
>Pinochet's policies eventually led to substantial GDP growth, in contrast to the negative growth seen in the early years of his administration. Foreign debt also grew substantially under Pinochet, rising 300% between 1974 and 1988.
>policies of the Pinochet regime resulted in widening inequality and deepening poverty as they negatively impacted the wages, benefits and working conditions of Chile's working class.

>>136713396
pic related

>>136723029
Never post that picture again. Equality =/= Freedom, nor is facism more right winged.

The Left vs Right Argument should be purely used to talk about economic belifes (Socailism vs Capitalism) and ispo facto Individualism vs Collectivism. So really Ancap/Individualism is as right winged as you can get.

>>136738986
It's a fucking meme you dip

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>>136739100
Fuck I got distracted and forgot to upload the picture

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>>136738653
time to take off the kiddie gloves

>>136709921
Fucking Anarchists...kek.

>>136737441
Why did you use a snail in that strawman?

Also how would hiring a private military to protect your profits be profitable, that shit is expensive. And mind you in an ancap anybody can enter or leave the market at any given time, making competition very competitive.

And assuming people follow the NAP, you can't use the initiation of force to hurt your competitors, and if you did you probably would get attacked.

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>>136739315
I got to make a variation of this for the /leftypol/ retards and put all of there shitty phrases in this.

>>136728695
i wasn't trying to disprove it.

>ancap flag
>dumb as fuck

checks out

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>>136739100
>So really Ancap/Individualism is as right winged as you can get.
>What is anprim?
Any system built around capitalism is not individualist in its own right; only when it's being compared to explicitly collectivist systems.

>>136739782
Not necesairly, but as you move away from collectivist systems you get more and more of a free market and the ability to make more decisions on your own.

If socialism is collectivism then that must logically make capitalism more of an individualist system.

Very Low Individualism
>True Socialism (Labor (You) is owned by the state, and makes decisions for you)

Low Individualism
>National Socialism (You have more freedom, because the state doesn't own the means of production, but you are still heavily restricted by the state and have to fit an ideal citizen quota).


Moderate Individualism
>Democratic Socialism (Similar to national socialism, but you don't have to fit an ideal citizen)
>Nationalism (You have to collectively join in support for your nation, sacrifice a bit your interests for the interests of your people and the state.

High Individualism
>Anarchy (You are free to make what ever decision for your self)

>>136739489
>when ancaps are too slow.
kektus.

>Also how would hiring a private military to protect your profits be profitable, that shit is expensive.
How exactly would you protect your company? Assuming it's anarcho land, there wouldn't be any problems for some people to forcefully take your shit, and what if a common workers is tired of your shit and start to revolt... who will defend you unless private police™

>And assuming people follow the NAP, you can't use the initiation of force to hurt your competitors, and if you did you probably would get attacked.
By who? Who will enforce terms of service of company(tldr; Law)

>>136740515
That's called the warlords problem. Read this
https://mises.org/library/private-production-defense

Too busy drinking to pull bits out...

>>136740515
>How exactly would you protect your company?
Your self, or a PMC.

>Assuming it's anarcho land, there wouldn't be any problems for some people to forcefully take your shit
This is pretty much the only problem with Anarcho Capitalism, I am not sure, but I suppose people whould have to have some kind of mutual respect for each others land. Even today in a state, we still have people who commit crimes even though there is a state, and even then places where the population is better armed personal robberies are even lower, which could lead us to conclusion that the state has little deterrence on crime.

>and what if a common workers is tired of your shit and start to revolt
They logically should go to my competitor, give very negative reviews about my company, and all quit in mass. You don't need to use violence to express a negative opinion about an firm. But If they do, like I said, I either shoot them, or hire a PMC.

>>136740486
>If socialism is collectivism then that must logically make capitalism more of an individualist system.
Like I said. "More of" one when compared to others, but not actually one its own right.

The definition you gave for anarchy isn't applicable to ancap.
If that anarchy were achieved, (most likely through anprim), then yeah it'd be as highly individualist as you could get.
But the presence of capitalism renders it impossible.
Ancaps should admit that their ideology is not about liberty or individualism, but about securing for the most industrious people the means to amass as much wealth and power as possible.

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>>136739607
Already got that one

>>136718957
University of Berkeley is a public school since 1860, so how do you explain Communism now?
Public ownership doesn't implies Socialism.
USA doesn't has public army, it's even debatable if you have real public schools, since you got lobbying into schools or directly into government, which makes it same shit as private business. Even more so because public schools in USA can choose their own teaching material, it isn't dictated by state what they are allowed to teach.

>>136729801
What if he wants to order people around and make them call him titles and LARP by giving other titles to other people in his court and he wants that more than more money?