George Orwell on Mein Kampf

>>136696562
Pretty accurate, but also not necessarily a bad thing.

Sparta thrived for centuries doing exactly what he's criticising here.

>>136698461
Sparta didn't exactly thrive, they had a perpetual slave underclass they parasitized for resources. Athens was the one that thrived until the Peloponnese war, leading all the philosophical, artistic and scientific advancements.

>>136696562
"Writing in early 1945 a long essay titled "Antisemitism in Britain," for the Contemporary Jewish Record, Orwell stated that anti-Semitism was on the increase in Britain"

a good goy

Orwell was a socialist, it's quite ironic that he would deride National Socialism

Then again it's not like the Eternal Anglos would avoid bowing down to their Jew masters, just like Churchill and Neville Chamberlain.

>>136696562

And now England is a Moslem infested shithole and white girls are breeding fodder for blacks and Arabs while Orwell rots in the dirt.

>>136698645
>Sparta didn't exactly thrive, they had a perpetual slave underclass they parasitized for resources
How is that not thriving?

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>>136696562
Oh yes?

I dont take dead, old peoples opinions into consideration when thinking about heavily politicised topics. That being said, gas the kikes, race war now

>>136699389
Sauce? I'd like to read the whole thing

>>136696562
if he had just mentioned in his stupid book even once that Big Brother enforced thoughtcrime by calling it Hate Speech most of our problems would be solved

he was a Fabian socialist and National Socialism triggered him because it ran things far better than his ideology would

>>136696562
The vast majority of /pol/ wants a full 1488-tier genocide if minorities followed by a 19th century America-tier society.

>>136699613
http://lithub.com/george-orwells-1940-review-of-mein-kampf/
Don't remember where I got it from before, but it's the same thing

>>136699741
Sounds pretty comfy.

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wow, the revolutionary socialist who went to spain to kill fascists was critical of fascism, holy fuck hold the page.

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>>136699273
>How is that not thriving?

didn't last, Chinese been at it much longer and their forms are pretty much the same

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>>136699741
That's exactly what I want.

>>136698461
Sparta was feminist state

>>136699020
National Socialism isn't like normal socialism at all.

>>136696562
>endless breeding
sounds good m8

>>136700000
>be revolutionary socialist
>go to spain to aid the workers
>workers get betrayed by the socialists
>"Britain still needs Socialism, but that wasn't real Socialism"

Every fucking time...

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>>136696562
huxley is better desu but orwell has his merits mostly due to the fact that he is so widely known. orwell is like a introduction to huxley, orwell shows you the worst case scenario, and huxley shows you the most realistic version of that scenario.

>>136696562
Orwell was just someone who fetishised extremism.

National Socialism and facism in general are just a natural defence mechanism against the Jew. George Orwell was a fabian socialist, fuck him. Thats literally on par with being a jewish cultural marxiet from the frankfurt school. Fabian socialists were hypothesizing about trannies in like the 1800s. Occultists and degenerates the lot of them.

>>136698461
Indeed. At the end of the movie 'The White Tiger' Hitler does a cameo and explains that the races are in eternal conflict with each other. Sure there are long respites, but you can't escape it, it's like gravity (my simile, not Hitler's). Based Hitler.

Given that, why wouldn't you spend a lot of time being preparing for war? Hitler probably overdid it, but it's good not to be lulled by the long, peaceful respites.

'The White Tiger' sucks btw, it's Russians getting all Russian up their own butts.

>>136702062
He fought on the anarchist side.

>>136703407
whats amazing is that we have a synthesis of both.

We've drowned in information (Huxley) that we've begun to ask for censorship that hurts our fee fee's (Orwell) by SJW's so that the ruling class is all to happy to oblige. There isn't anything nefarious happening behind closed doors with censorship because the idiots of our society asked for it.

We're fucked.

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What do you expect? the people here are retarded that's why every other board hate /pol/.

>>136699122
This, harsh reality is Europe is now a breeding ground for muslims

>>136699020
but if this is a 1940 review, his country was at losing ground to germany and was then at war with it, right? surely this has something to do with his opinion?

>>136696562
He's right, Hitler was dumb.

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>>136696562
Let's ask someone who mattered, whose entire career wasn't built around shallow political commentary.

>>136698645
Idiotic argument. Sparta was stronger genetically and in nature than Athens, which was a degenerate multicult shithole. Yes, it produced some great men, but again they were not the majority.

>>136696562
>nothing ever happens
Except new cars, jet airplanes, the first televised Olympics ever, VHF FM radio, splitting atoms, and the first useable tape recorders were in invented in Nazi Germany, among many other things.

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>>136704369
America has it worse tho.
Can't forget ol' 54%
>>136699122
Aren't you guys like 4% Muslim and 1% black?

>>136703407
Huxleys ideas where pretty great but his writing was teenager level. Ive only read BNW so i cant comment on his other works. Orwell was better to read, but maybe thats just me being morbid...i always seem to get more enjoyment reading about misery and suffering. As for who was right?? well both I would say, were sat somewhere in the middle of both those worlds.

>>136700000
wawawawawait, so hes not as BASED? are his books any good or filled with this shitty propaganda?

>>136704574
I don't know whether this is it, but one of these JFK memes about Hitler is a Frankenstein edit that makes JFK say more positive things than he really did.

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>>136700000
fokin checkes

>>136704784
who is this faggot?

>>136702062
>socialism gets betrayed by tankies
>"hurrr no socialists can oppose tankies"

>>136705305
It's from JFK's diary, you can read about it anywhere, JFK truly admired Hitler.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39371715

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>>136700000
HEeeEEellLlLlLLLoo0Oo00O0Oo0OO--oO0

>>136704784
>5%
Then explain why they hold the capital city against the 95% that isn't a nigger/sandnigger?
Their country is cucked beyond saving, even America with its 56% is better at saying "no" than the brit.

>>136704911
We are more or less in an amalgamation of every single dystopia. BNW and 1984 but also Fahrenheit 451 and Atlas Shrugged, hell even the Turner Diaries to an extent.

More or less the reason I think why this is, is because each of those authors was just extrapolated on a curious trend they saw in their own time, so its not like they came up with those ideas all are there own. Therefore actually NOT becoming more like the dystopia in the book would require something in society to reverse which rarely happens.

>>136704617
>stronger genetically
wat

>>136701339
lel

>>136696562
>"a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder."

This sounds a lot more like the Soviet empire. They had zero regard for human life. In German prison camps they even held soccer competitions.

Reminder that Aldous Huxley was superior to Orwell
"I dread the inevitable acceleration of American world domination which will be the result of it all...Europe will no longer be Europe."

>>136696562
>nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war

That makes me rock hard, desu.

>>136696562
It is true. That is what a totalitarian militarist policy would look like... and why "we" don't like Islam.
> a horrible brainless empire

The American patriotic model, if it holds in peoples minds, splits this by being both internally critical while also being partly militant. They don't trust the state or foreign powers.

But what are people supposed to do when they have giant empires of slavery breathing down their neck? Imagine if Orwell actually put his own militancy into something more organized and long term focused?

>>136701339
>Sparta was feminist state
yeah more or less when I think about it

but the key factor which enabled the society to not completely fall apart was that is was National Feminism, despite the power the women had over the men, they were under no delusions that allowing racemixing would ever be acceptable, and they understood the importance of understanding their role of bearing healthy sons so that they could be trained to be soldiers to keep the nation defended and th

So essentially the only workable form of feminism that wouldn't collapse is Sparta, and that is because those women understood that there power came with responsibility. Even then the women were not allowed to hold political power, now that would just be crazy

>>136699741
Damn right.

>>136704617
>stronger genetically
how is that measured and what is the unit?

kek

>>136705491
(((Who))) do you think put them there?

London is whiter than any US major city

>>136696562
>http://www.openculture.com/2014/08/george-orwell-reviews-mein-kampf-1940.html
OP didn't read his own article:

"However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life."

And remember Orwell wouldn't publish 1984 for another nine years. It would be funny to ask his 1949 self if he still felt the same about Mein Kampf. He might have changed his opinion on it quite a lot.

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>>136696562
Just read Evola.

He critiques Authoritarianism within a completely far right Tradionalist mentality, effectively remedying the disunity between Orwell and Fascism.

Remember, Fascism was but one form of Traditionalism. It was the closest we've gotten in a long time, but it obviously missed the mark in some areas. It is on us as the progeny of great men to strive to create a more perfect system that seamlessly integrates Spirit and State, that creates a system that not only works in harmony with man, but inspires him to a greatness beyond himself, and finally a system that puts sovereignty as the means to power and not the reverse.

>>136696562
As opposed to a horrible brainless empire in which essentially nothing happens but the breeding of white women and girls to create the future mulatto consumer/debt slave caste.

Granted, he couldn't have possibly known how far his country and the West in general would decline under the stewardship of the international Jews.

>>136696562
considering we only really know about war time nazi germany I don't think we can make those kinds of claims due to the fact I think it like any other country would be different depending on the situation it finds itself in

>>136707586
What would be interesting to do would be to compare what people said about the future of the Soviet Union at that time with what it later became, and potential in could provide some insight as to how nazi germany might have evolved based on people's perceptions of it at the time

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>>136696562

Essentially he knew that you have to bash the fash. He was a hero, wrongly idolized by alt-reich retards who know nothing of his work, apart from some quotes they found on qouoteoftheday website.

He knew that it wasn't the Wiemar permissiveness that was degenerate, but that degeneracy lied in the very movement that claimed to fight against Wiemar corruption - nazism.

A movement which made great claims for it self, as being the savior of western civilization itself, ended up pushing European civilization to the brink of its destruction.

So fighting nazism/fascism was essentially a battle for civilization vs. barbarism.

Orwell was fucking right : BASH THE FASH, but bash it good!

>>136706912
Exactly. He says one thing then says another while claiming to be against fascism.
Because of how well Orwell could predict the future it's surprises me the stance he has on Mein Kampf.
He also says "The plan laid down in Mein Kampf was to smash Russia first, with the implied intention of smashing England afterwards." Whilst Hitler, as im aware you probably know offered peace towards Churchill for 3 months as the RAF bombed the shit out of Germany.

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>>136699389
>Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades. However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life.

-George Orwell

>>136708453
>fighting degeneracy is degenerate
what are you even talking about?

He isn't wrong... Pinochet>>>>>Hitler. Fashy Calitalism for the win

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>>136706912
>>136708459

>Muh Orwell would have gone 14/88 if he swallowed them redpillz, guys, trust on this one.

Fuck you, fucking stormcuck degenerate. A socialist, fighting in Spain, bashing the fucking fash, who warned the world against totalitarian temptations - would have somehow, agreed with your Fuhrer.
How fucking autistic are you?

Well sucked though, Huxley was better

>>136708453
Empty words that contradict themselves; you're trying to force your ideaology on this one without regarding the trutg of the situation.

Keep trying though.

>>136704558
The jews were right, goys are dumb.

>>136700203
I have a feeling you have no idea of the history of China

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>>136708071
they are vastly different though.
While communism teaches that what we should treasure is the state and the limited few who holds power natsoc teaches that this treasure is your family and by extension also your people.

Private business was possible and booming compared to commies whom created the famine by killing off everyone owning anything privately so that infrastructure crashed.

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>>136705228
Time to make your own opinions kiddo.

>>136696562
>George Orwell, author of 1984 reviews Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.

was this before or after he was brainwashed?

daily reminder orwell was literally killed for writing 1984. he was harassed and possibly mentally reprogrammed before writing his book. he died of (((Tuberculosis))) shortly after. he was urged not to publish his book and paid the price.

>>136708927
This.

Huxley named them repeatedly. Orwell was a good writer and Down and Out is also excellent, but he was at best an anti-commie but certainly not a right winger or capitalist.

Huxley was weeeeelll ahead of Orwell in both his perceptions and his writing. Brave New World even documents how it a group of people segregate from modernity, which is a trend we are seeing now slightly more and more.

>>136696562

We live, we fight, we wage war for what we believes in, to shape the future. Orwell was an intellectual idiot, he never understood the value of action, the beauty of a noble death.

>>136709716
contex?

This is why North Korea needs to be destroyed.

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>>136709930
When war comes degeneracy becomes rampant - the "PC liberal" order, which you love to hate, actually demands that you respect your fellow men, that you respect women's autonomy, that you respect minority rights, that you restrain yourself and be civil.

When war comes all these rules are to be suspended - that's is precisely why you fascist fucks are so eager to idealize it, it actually let's you be a complete degenerate for a while. It let's you fight, kill, hate, loot, feast, fuck and set it all on repeat - IT ALLOWS YOU TO BE A DEGENERATE, to let out steam , while thinking you are participating in a noble crusade against "degeneracy" itself.

>>136711177
you seriously don't understand anything about us

>>136711177
>When war comes degeneracy becomes rampant

War require sacrifices and restore the genuine respect towards the inner values of mankind. Peace is nice, but history shows how man for its majority only can use it to engulfe himself in vice when it's not pressed to do otherwise. You may think i'm a warmonger retard but go look for the so enlighted greeks and latins poets and philosophers. Look at how they praise worm rotten peace, where you live to fuck, eat and stroke your ego.

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Contrary to this concept, my medical experience with individuals from all kinds of social strata, races, nationalities and religions showed me that "fascism" is only the politically organized expression of the average human character structure, a character structure which has nothing to do with this or that race, nation or party but which is general and international. In this characterological sense, "fascism" is the basic emotional attitude of man in authoritarian society, with its machine civilization and its mechanistic-mystical view of life.
It is the mechanistic-mystical character of man in our times which creates fascist parties, and not vice versa. Even today, as a result of fallacious political thinking, fascism is still being considered a specific national characteristic of the Germans or the Japanese. The stubborn persistence of this fallacy is due to the fear of recognizing the truth: fascism is an international phenomenon which permeates all organizations of human society in all nations. This conclusion is confirmed by the international events of the past 15 years.

From this first fallacy all other misinterpretations follow logically. To the detriment of genuine endeavors for freedom, fascism is still regarded as the dictatorship of a small reactionary clique. My character-analytic
experience, however, shows that there is today not a single individual who does not have the elements of fascist feeling and thinking in his structure. Fascism as a political movement differs from other reactionary parties in that
it is supported and championed by masses of people. I am fully conscious of the responsibility involved in such statements. I could only wish, in the interest of this battered world, that the [x] working masses had an equal realization of their responsibility for fascism.