Huh, that really helped to put things in perspective.

>>136693873
Damn commies.

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>>136693764

>136693873
here you go

>>136693873
Fuk u

>>136693764
>food analogy

>>136693873
I've read this a milli0n times and nothing ever happens, faggot.

>>136693764
Tomorrow, two more people will show up and say "I don't have anything"
And then on the third day, Alligator Mackerel wil personally invite 1,000,000 more "I don't have anything" people without asking the others in the group if that's okay.

>>136693764
How did the Soviet Union treat "work shirkers" again?

Capitalism should start doing that at the Job Center Plus

>>136693764

That's triggering as fuck

@136693873
(You)

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>>136693873
you got me this time you commie bastard

That's not socialism. There's no gun to the heads of the useful ones forcing them to share.

It's charity-- which has its place.

>>136693764
>Socialism
>food analogy
maximum kek

>>136693764
> Live in Communism
> Only Food is carrot, celery, garlic broth.

Sounds about right.

>>136693764
>food
That isn't real socialism.

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>>136693764
In a socialist country, they wouldn't have any of those things, they would be waiting in a line for rice.

>>136693873
Fuck

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>>136694460

>>136693873
fucking commies

>>136693873
fucking commie

>>136693955
>unironically thinking that you would be capable of piloting a helicopter
Can you even tie your shoes properly you tard?

>>136693764
Holy shit! That's the worst meme in recorded history!

>>136693873

>>136693764
Friendly reminder that Venezuela, a socialist country, has a worse economy than World of Warcraft.

Bash the fash - red's color nash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X14q2xDyuKs

>>136695201

Yeah. And Venezuela is not socialist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_JhRVlIR-c&

>>136693873
you're a jew commie nigger faggot

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>>136693764
where is the panel where 60 million people come up with empty bowls and spoons?

>>136693873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwhpnxHYiA

>Literally failuing to understand the basic economic principles of Supply and Demand and Scarcity

Human demands are infinite, supply is limited. Socialist systems are unsustainable and will enevitably collapse.

>>136695289
commies have no magick power. you don't need to reply

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>>136695280

>>136693764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

>>136695280
You guys never will acknowledge failure, just dismiss it as not real socialism. Every fucking time. It's why your system will fail every time. Never improving upon its self. The only reason socialist country when they do manage to last is because they adopt state capitalist policy's and become heavily authoritarian, otherwise they would tear themselves apart.

>>136693955
this is like shooting a man before throwing him off a plane

>>136693764
Except in reality all but one would bring nothing and the one person that did bring something would be talking shit about them all on twitter as soon as they'd all gone home

>>136695280
WAAAAAAAT? You telling me that the socialist government that was supposed to seize the private property of capitalists in the country are actually appropiating said property for their own benefit? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? that has never happened in any socialist country before.
>not that socialism has even been tried or anything
Yeah. Let's put all our faith on the socialist party. They are incorruptible and will only look to benefit the people. R-RIGHT?!?!

>>136693764
Tfw when you can only use childish cartoons to 'prove' marxist fantasy because in real life people keep dying.

>>136693764
It's when the frog starts to realize that he doesn't have to bring food to the soup and he will still be fed. Now multiply that frog by a million then we have an abused system.

>>136695643
you have to parade his commie corpse around the gulag below

>>136693764
Real life version:
>"I have carrots!"
>everyone else: "GIBS ME DAT!"

>>136695643
at least you can talk

"I don't have anything!"
"Ok, but if you offer your labor and help us prepare this meal you can have some!"

Checkmate commietheists

>>136695642
>You guys never will acknowledge failure, just dismiss it as not real socialism. Every fucking time.

We do acknowledge failure. Soviet Union failed in building communism cause it wasn't socialistic (more like state capitalistic) enough.

Also we do see the constant capitalism regime failures what you ignore. You ned to get REDpilled to open your eyes.

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>I have a spoon
>I have a bowl
>communism will totally work this time!
fuck outta here you lazy faggot
capitalism will always reign.

I like Ben Montero's cartoons. They're very sweet

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/thread

>>136693764
anyone have the edit of that pic where they put in sand and shit instead

>>136693764
>carrots, celery, onion, seasonings
What a shitty soup. Perfect analogy for communism/socialism, no one gets meat and everyone's malnourished.

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>I have a spoon
>"Hope you can eat metal because we're all out of food here."

>>136693764
Now imagine if everyone knew what everyone was bringing beforehand.

>>136693764
cute.. SAVED

>>136693764
Why can the animals talk?
Why are the animals dressed?
What is the animal on the lower left?
Why does the salt and pepper have faces?

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>>136696257
Wow, you've listed all the logical and very valid reasons why people hate communism. Great job faggot. How about you answer this one next?

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>>136696028
No one cared who I was until I put on the mask

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>>136696096
>Communism has 100% failure rate
>Capitalism has 50% failure rate
>"CAPITALISM IS WORSE"

>>136696257
>Not a single one addresses the basic economic problem of scarcity, the crux of why socialism is eternally destined to fail

Thread is still on, dipshit.

>>136696257
So you basically took a chart directly from feminist circles and rebranded it for strawmanning?

People don't like Marxism because it's never worked and generally kills lots of people.

>>136694884
It's a cartoon

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>>136693764
12 seconds in mspaint

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Bu seriously, the OP picture only presents the mental deficiency of the Leftist in stark relief. The Leftist is incapable of understanding that the largesse he would share equally among all peoples can only be made possible by the productivity of a free, capitalist economy. The moment you take away the underlying principles and rules that allow for such a productive surplus, there is no more surplus being produced. And one of those rules, the most fundamental one in fact, is that people have to be free to expect payment for the goods and services they deliver, and have to be able to refuse those goods of services to whoever they choose, and for whatever reason they seem sufficient. Anything else is slavery, and slaves never produce much, or for very long.

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>>136696454
>how much what I earn belongs to you

And how much does HE earns? If he's a rich capitalist almost all his material wealth is build by ordinary workers. If the labor was really priced acordingly to your input - none's could get 1000x times more rich than everyone else.

>>136694150
>>136694306
>>136694451
>>136694614
>>136694695
>>136694771
>>136695112
WHAT WAS IT
I NEED TO KNOW

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>>136696473
We have a book called "Sopa de piedra" that is usually read to kids in kindergarten. The story goes with some guys that arrive at a village and don't have anything to eat so they trick the villages into giving them food by making a soup of rocks and pretend it tastes delicious, as the villagers get curious they tell them if they want some soup they need to bring something to add to it.
In the end they trick the whole town into giving them food for free.

The push this story as something good when in reality is about manipulating people but they paint it as "sharing" instead.

>>136696762
LOL, communism literally made a private company a military power.

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>>136693764
>theres enough for everyone
>in "socialism"
lol

>>136696979
Huh. A retarded communist incapable of grasping the concept of scale economics. Really starves my gulag.

>>136694460
Came here to say this. What communists want to believe "real communism" is, is just a butchered and retarded version of voluntaryism.

>>136697207
saved, based leafbro

>>136693764
And to think this is for children. Sick Reds.

>sharing = communism
wew try not hurt yourself on the edges boys

>>136696979
>labor is inherently valuable by virtue of being labor
I can work all day to build a snowman but it doesn't mean I should be compensated by the state for it

>>136693764
>I don't have anything

There's the problem, there will be twice as many I don't have anything's tomorrow and four times that the next day until everyone starves.

>>136693764
There's absolutely nothing wrong with helping those who are poor or have very little.

There IS however a problem with forcing others to help help them.

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>>136696979
>almost all his material wealth is built by ordinary workers
For this to even make a half bit of sense you literally have to remove every inventor/innovator ever from history. And you wonder why people think you're idiots?
>none's could get 1000x times more rich than everyone else
The prospect of enormous amounts of reward is what drives people to innovate and take risks in the first place. If you take away the incentive of extraordinary awards, you basically castrate all risk/innovation and you end up with stagnation. People don't just take enormous risk for altruistic reasons. This is why communism never can or will work.

Just answer the question and stop dodging it though. Who are you or anybody to tell someone else that you deserve your "fair share" of their wealth? What is your "fair share" exactly? Why do you feel entitled to it? Most of you nu-commie faggots wouldn't know an honest day's work if it hit you in the side of the head which is why you sit here harping about bullshit and getting jealous because someone else has a nicer car than you. Again, fuck off.

>>136693764
THAT LAZY GREEN LITTLE SHIET IS A FUCCIN LEECH HE DOES NOT DESERVE BREAD

>>136697207
I want my sides back

>>136696096
Have you ever considered that Communism is flawed and will never work as an economic and cultural system? And the only time it does resemble a functioning system is when it abandons all of marx's theorys?

>>136693764
>defending socialism by implying people never starve

>>136693764
"Enough" is a subjective quantity. Who determines what is "enough" in socialism?

>>136694547
>Live in Communism
>any food at all

Ftfy

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>>136697401
That's another problem with those retards. They don't understand that labour is simply a COST, not inherently a value-adding process. Efficient, intelligently applied labour can and does add great value, inefficient and misspent labour does not, but it always is a cost.

Good luck explaining it to those mentally deficient subhumans, though. Their IQ's are too low to understand the complexities of Tetris, let alone the wider world.

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>>136693764
meanwhile in reality

>>136694547
Bread and Vodka. Oh, and vodka soaked bread.

>>136693764
It does work though. The problem for (((them))) is that it only works when it's National Socialism and not (((International Socialism))).

>>136697043
learn how to use 4plebs

>>136697207
China.png

>>136694321
Pretty soon the I don't have anythings are taking all of the ingredients and the ingredient producers starve in a holomodor and lose all incentives to produce more ingredients.

The I don't produce anythings, indoctrinated to this way of life, ensure leaders are in place to inflict punishment on producers for being greedy and hoarding ingredients when in actuality the producers barely have a carrot for their family and suffer from violence while their ingredients are shipped hundreds of miles away to a collective stew pot to feed the empowered masses of I don't have anythings.

The I don't have anything force the producers to grow ingredients that they don't want to grow and soon, due to crop failure, people start eating each other, pets, and vermin as their bellies swell and children suffer from malnourishment, but hey, now everyone except those close to the collective stew pot are equal in that they are all I don't have anythings.

>>136697679
Can we feed people at substance levels if we send half of them to gulags?
Then we have enough.

>>136696609
100%? DRPK's still lives.
Memes abot best korea aside (i don't really like their regime too).

Why do Communism has 100% failure rate? There was 2 competing superpowers, one backing capitalism and one backing communism, and their allies. After Soviet Union was no more - US goverment (1% elites) quickly destroyed remaining soviet allied regimes, the only and small threats to their exitence.

BTW, do you, Ameritards, think that Soviet Union collapsed on it's own? Like the people in the US government going: "Oh, Soviets collapsing? Our only real threat is destroyed? Nononono. They're died completely on its own. We were actually pretty surprised when they did".

>>136697432

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa fing saved

>>136693764
>putting unpeeled onions into a soup
What the fug :D

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>>136697487
>For this to even make a half bit of sense you literally have to remove every inventor/innovator ever from history


The 1% is all inventors/innovators? That's some Ayn Rand level of bullshit. You're probably prasing guys like Jobs, Musk and Gates, while they're the 1% of that 1%. You should read about guys like Martin Shkreli first.

>The prospect of enormous amounts of reward is what drives people to innovate and take risks in the first place.

And that's like entirely wrong. The overall prosperity of human kind was done by researchers and technical engineers. Capitalism just unequally distributed fruites from the Tree of Science.

>>136696257
You can't /thread your own post you retard

Also your picture is bullshit.
The main criticisms of socialism aren't dumb ad-hominems, but pointing out that resources are finite (scarce), and the forceful redistribution of wealth is not only immoral, but also very inefficient.

>>136698069
I'm talking about the living conditions, not power, the Soviet Union was an absolute shithole and North Korea is still a shithole

>Ameritards
lolwut

>>136693764
>small group of friends choosing to give some of their meal (a very tiny portion of their total resources) to a less well-off friend
>probably agreed to have something like this beforehand, for this specific moment
>if one of them barged into the other's house and ran out with that guy's carrots because he had none, that book would probably be about the morals of asking before taking.

>>136698824
>love the reddit spacing, couldn't be more me obvious

wtf i wanna bash the fash now

(and by fash i mean DRUMPFGRUMPFFF)

>>136698069
>The only reason communism failed
>is because of meanie-head capitalists
How retarded are you? Cuba is still communist and the people live in abject poverty every single day with barely enough to eat for the common person. Tourism is pretty much the only thing propping their economy up. What do they produce aside from cigars? Have you ever been there?
>inb4 but everybody has education!
And you also have kids who, after they get PhD in nuclear physics, end up using their degree to become an auto mechanic who changes oilpans for a living because there are no other jobs.

Carrots, celery, onions, parsley, salt, pepper and garlic make a shit soup, but it's an analogy about socialism, it usually offers shit to the poor, so it's spot on.

>>136698824
>The 1% is all inventors/innovators?
Literally putting words in my mouth. You faggots are predictable as shit.
>And that's like entirely wrong.
Tell me how it's wrong precisely. Are you implying Jobs made a fucking ipod for the pure benefit of humanity and not to sell it for massive profits? You're a special kind of fucking stupid, to be honest.

>>136697487
>Who are you or anybody to tell someone else that you deserve your "fair share" of their wealth?

Because that wealth was stolen from the people who built it in the first place. When a guy robs you - do you want your material goods back?
> Who are you or anybody to tell someone else that you deserve your "fair share" of their wealth?

I am the guy who works in an insufferable conditions on an extremely hazardous work, while my boss gets much more doing extremely innovative and inventing paperwork.

>What is your "fair share" exactly? Why do you feel entitled to it?
The cost of my labor according to the multiple factors such as - usefullness to mankind + level of risk i'm taking + social security e.t.c
Not some bullshit "You're already got your honest payment cuz capitalism works everytiem and unow theres no such thing as a "Golden Billion" and everything."

>>136697843
National socialism doesn't work either. You've overdosed on /pol/ memes.

>>136693764
Pepe's end game was becoming Stalin?

>>136699515
>I am the guy who works in an insufferable conditions on an extremely hazardous work
So you're yet another low intelligence, low productivity subhuman who wants to leech off their betters.

>>136697107
We've got that story here, too. It's taught in all the schools. Your take on it is a breath of fresh air. I wonder how many terrible people through the ages have caught on to what you did - and then taken it as a hint to go into politics?

>>136699718

>National socialism doesn't work either.

Getting invaded by the world's 3 superpowers doesn't count for "not working".

>>136693764
If socialism doesn't work then how come my child, who has NO MONEY, still gets fed? LOL, capitalist bourgeois btfo yet again.

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>>136694321
>alligator mackerel
Underrated

>>136695643
was being caught part of your master plan

>>136695643
4 u

>>136699475
> Are you implying Jobs made a fucking ipod for the pure benefit of humanity and not to sell it for massive profits?

I am implying that Jobs is the fucking 1% in a world of bankers who's selling bullshit to retards, trying to fuck people up as far as they can, while using illegal and criminal methods.

For every Jobs (while he was a massive pile of bullshit on its own) we have two Martin Shkrells.

>>136693764
Show this to Venezuelans, I'm sure they'll agree

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>>136695280
I don't this guy understands what democratic socialism is. It is democratically implementing socialist polices until they get to socialism. They got 1/3 of their task. The reaason why it didn't go farther is because they tried to socialize their biggest commidity first, and once that went they had no hope. So YES. venezuela is an example of socialism failure

>>136693764
Sure, that works. But only until there are more of those useless little green fucks than there are people who have soup ingredients. Then people begin to starve.

>>136699804
>So you're yet another low intelligence, low productivity subhuman who wants to leech off their betters.
So nuclear station operating stuff is all low productive subhumans to you?

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>>136693764
>Commies
>"Everyone has enough to eat!"

>>136693764
>We need more bowls
>Who's the potter?
>Who's going to make the kiln?
>Wait, fuck you guys, you planted your carrots and just sat around until you picked them, I'm making bowls all fucking day
>My roof's leaking, who can fix that?
>I'm a roof fixer. I guess the half day's work is worth... What you got? Carrots? Ugh... I guess around 500 carrots worth of work
>I can't eat 500 carrots before they rot, fuck that I'm not fixing your roof
>Guys...
>Guys wait
>Guys listen
>Guys, what if...
>Guys, what if we had tokens that we could exchange for things instead of just sharing vegetables for everything
>And what if those tokens were backed by some rare mineral that was worth the same as them
>But who's gonna protect the minerals? Or anything else? This commune is growing from 10 people to 10 million
>Let's hire some people to keep the peace, and each chip in some tokens to pay them for their time
>I need a bunch more tokens than I have right now... Can I borrow from the pool?
>Sure, but put in a bit more than you took out because the pool needs maintaining too
>ET CETERA

>>136700356
I doubt you don't get paid well in a capitalistic society unless you're doing work that could easily be done by every other twat.

When you make it ok to show up to a party with nothing to contribute everyone can spot the sponge.

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>>136693764
And yet it was all voluntary.

Do you want to learn more about spontaneous elective charity?

>>136700765
I'm not saying that i'm not getting paid well, i'm saying that there are a lot of easily replaced twats with way higher paycheck

>>136699515
>Because that wealth was stolen from the people who built it in the first place.
You sound like some sad nig who's failed at life due to your own poor decisions and think people owe you some kind of reparations. What exactly have you built of value and exactly how much value has been "robbed" from you for your work? You realize that the job you enter is a voluntary contract you can either accept or decline right? No one's chaining your leg to the McDonald's cash register you fucking pleb.
>Insufferable conditions
Just sound like a whiny pussy to me. If you think you deserve better pay go find a better fucking job. It's not rocket science and just because you want big government to hand-hold you through life doesn't mean other people do. Some of us have balls and aren't scared little bitches who can't handle life.

>>136700356
Nigga, you are probably the janitor. The only thing you operate there is the mop

Socialism may work in theory but not in practi-
>I work in the steel factory!
>I'm a doctor!
>I process gulag inmates!
>What about me? I don't work.
>You have a straw! Suck our labor!

>>136702078
Then the comic extends into 500 pages of panels all saying
>What about me? I don't work.
>You have a straw! Suck our labor!

>>136699907
Francoist Spain never recovered from the war until wide pro-market reforms were implemented in the late 60's. Google: The Spanish Miracle.

Hitler didn't know shit about economics, the first thing he did was plunge Germany into a forced militarisation, which was unsustainable long-term. By 1939, just 6 years after assuming power, he literally needed a war for economic reasons.
Rationing of clothing in Germany started before the war, not during.

Lay off the memes and read some text on history.

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>>136701565
>You realize that the job you enter is a voluntary contract you can either accept or decline right? No one's chaining your leg to the McDonald's cash register you fucking pleb.
Work is not voluntary in a first place, it is a requirement for a living. In a capitalist economy a lot of spheres get quickly monopolised. Those who use illigal methods always gain dishonest advantage against honest buisnessman.
That's why the most succesive corprorations are usually the dirtiest. Wal-Mart relies on Chinese slave labor. Apple too. For Chinese kids washing lenses in acid for a living their work is not a voluntary contract.

>>136702783
>For Chinese kids washing lenses in acid for a living their work is not a voluntary contract.

Then why do they not work in the fields anymore? Is it possible that being "enslaved" by a western corporation is actually a better fate than the rice paddys?

The capitalism in XIX and XXth century United States was supposedly so anti-human - why was there such an unprecedented immigration? Mainly from Europe.

>>136702783
To continue the point - that's why ethical consumption is impossible. You're saying that "communism is not a human nature", then why in competitive environment the most ethical humans must benefit somehow? If communism is impossible due to human nature - capitalism is worse than any ethical planned economy due to human nature too.

>>136702783
>Work is not voluntary in a first place, it is a requirement for a living
and you have the voluntary choice of working to survive or die. This is natural law. There is no animal on this planet that gets to be a special snowflake
> In a capitalist economy a lot of spheres get quickly monopolised. Those who use illigal methods always gain dishonest advantage against honest buisnessman.
You can always be a buisnessman if you think the world needs such an honeset divine being as yourself. In theory if people were so upset with being explioted, they would bend their backs to work for your highness!

>For Chinese kids washing lenses in acid for a living their work is not a voluntary contract.
yes it is. They don't have the brains/willpower to produce for themselves so trap themselves. No one said beggining stages of capitalism was easy. But the horrors of industrialization is much better than living without capitalism. People just don't do things for no reason. They do things because they are pragmatic, and since they are pragmatic, they aren't being taken advantage of. There is no such thing as an oppressive capitalistic system unless the employer literally won't let you quite.

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>>136703076
>humans are unethical and sometimes play dirty in a market economy
>thus we need an "ethical planned economy", where a group of humans exercises nearly infinite power over the society
>i-it will not go wrong this time, guys, p-promise!

>>136702783
>In a capitalist economy a lot of spheres get quickly monopolised.
What are Anti-Trust laws, faggot?
>Those who use illigal methods always gain dishonest advantage against honest buisnessman.
You claim to work as a nuclear faggot, so what exactly is your employer doing that's illegal? Just because you're a little bitch who thinks you're entitled to more doesn't make it against the law to pay you less.
>Wal-Mart relies on Chinese slave labor. Apple too.
Nice cherry-picking faggot. Now tell us how Coca-Cola and Pepsi use slave labor in the US or how they're dirty as fuck. I'd wager you've never actually set foot in any corporate manufacturing plants. And for all your bitching and moaning about chinese labor, who allows that to happen? Their own big brother socialist/communist country is exploiting it's own people. You sure as fuck don't see 6 year olds doing that shit in the US (the capitalist country) Get a fucking clue, idiot.

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>>136701129
>people who have enough money to start a business are easy to replace
>argues for these people to not even exist
Captcha says free rides commie.

>>136703048
>The capitalism in XIX and XXth century United States was supposedly so anti-human - why was there such an unprecedented immigration? Mainly from Europe.
There are multiple factors. Murrica was marketed as "the place you can start new life", and a more democratic state. Conditions of life sucked almost everywere.
When you have to choose among equal others you'll choose more democratic state.
Capitalism != democracy, btw.

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>>136702783
>In a capitalist economy a lot of spheres get quickly monopolised
>unlike in socialist economies

>>136693764
This is, for once, not even real communism.
This is voluntarily deciding to share.
What communism is is pointing a gun at my head and saying I am either going to share, or die. Bit of a difference.

>>136703645
>Murrica was marketed
And yet they've all stayed. If this capitalism was truly so mortifying, I'm sure there would be an exodus of some kind, right?
Afterall, unlike in the communist bloc, there was no wall with armed guards to forcefully keep the people in.

>conditions of life sucked almost everywhere
And now, thanks to capitalism, they don't.
I bet it's all just a coincidence that the countries which implement free-market reforms experience rapid economic growth and an improvement in the standard of living.

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>almonds

>>136702411

>Lay off the memes and read some text on history.

Being engaged in conflict with half of the industrialized world meant there was a need for a wartime economy? Fancy that, nobody would've guessed.

And yes, you're right: rearmament in the modern age costs a tremendous amount of money/resources. But you're discounting so much.
Like for instance the key sector of the German economy was the private market economy (you speak of Market reforms: virtually the entire German economy was in private hands, with the exception of a few key areas like the armaments industry and public works programs). Top personal tax rate in the country was 13.7%. And the economic autarky set in place the National Socialists was only used in sectors that the German economy already had. Key mineral and oil imports came from Sweden and Romania, respectively.

National Socialist economics aren't a meme.

>>136703347
>There is no animal on this planet that gets to be a special snowflake
I've always considired humans being a little more than just animals. Scientific progress, advanced society (built with help of ethics), you know.
>In theory if people were so upset with being explioted, they would bend their backs to work for your highness!
But they don't. That's a competitive environment. Why should some work on your "truly honest" corp when they can chose illigal onces - with better pay?
>yes it is.
Hurrr, durrr. Have you heard of modern chinese slavery? That's just a system where "mployer literally won't let you quite.".

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>>136693764
Huh, that really helped to milk my almonds

>>136704371
>I've always considired humans being a little more than just animals
so humans aren't pragmatic. Got it!
>But they don't. That's a competitive environment. Why should some work on your "truly honest" corp when they can chose illigal onces - with better pay?
oh. what anon. humans are pragmatic? They just go to the better living? Weird I thought we had the capacity to be progressive as you said above?
>Hurrr, durrr. Have you heard of modern chinese slavery? That's just a system where "mployer literally won't let you quite.".
Do you realize that ultimately they are under control of a communistic country? Im not arguing for authoritarianism.

>>136703406
>What are Anti-Trust laws, faggot?
The thing designed to mock AnCaps and show that capitalism can't work without some control system.
>You claim to work as a nuclear faggot, so what exactly is your employer doing that's illegal?
If i'd know i'd tell you, I promise.
>Nice cherry-picking faggot. Now tell us how Coca-Cola and Pepsi use slave labor in the US or how they're dirty as fuck.
> use slave labor in the US
Why they should use slave labor in the US when they certanly have them in China? Chinese slaves took all murrican jobs, hurr durr.
>Implying China is a planned economy
You're actually retarded. So sad.

>>136703981
>If this capitalism was truly so mortifying,
Capitalism is not so mortifying in US cause corporations can exploit third world without any penalty nowadays. That's why your next claim...
>And now, thanks to capitalism, they don't.
Is entirely wrong. It still sucks almost everywere. The first world countries is just like 1/10th (Correct me if i'm wrong) of the worlds population.

>>136704371
>Why should some work on your "truly honest" corp when they can chose illigal onces - with better pay?
So you're saying humans are flawed and will do what's in their best interest even if it means breaking the law? How the fuck do you expect those same humans to all work altruistically towards "the greater good" then, dipshit? This is where you commie faggots always fuck up. Human nature will always get in the way and you can't just blow everybody's brains out. Another commie already tried that, it failed miserably.

>>136704307
Let me tell you a secret: Hitler was in power for entire 6 years before the war even begun, and he has already implemented an all-out war economy.

Germany went to war with a debt of 40 billion Reichsmarks to a GDP of just over 30 billion Reichsmarks.

Hitler needed a war to avoid having to declare bankruptcy. Guns, tanks and warplanes were all that Germany had.

>>136694590
Eventually they have no Rice and like in maoist China, the little shit who only had a spoon gets accused of wrongthink, is beaten and tortured after a struggle session, then chopped up for the next communal soup

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>>136693764

>>136704685
>so humans aren't pragmatic. Got it!
If you're having such a hard on pragmatism think about that: "What's more pragmatic - to sustain a competitive, not optimised, encouraging crime system, or to build a new one, elegant, calculated and not wasting limited erath resoursec on consumer craps?"
>oh. what anon. humans are pragmatic? They just go to the better living?
Under capitalism by building better living for ones you're inevitably creating insuferrable living conditions for others. That's just wasting human resources.
>Do you realize that ultimately they are under control of a communistic country?
Oh China. When I braggle about slavery - China turns communist. When I jokingly say about it's groth rate - "CHINA IS NOT PLANNED ECONOMY YOU DUMB FUCK"

China's economy is dominated by private sector. "Communist party of China" is just a label.

>>136697107
Read that here in burger.

I always saw it as a warning on those who will lie and manipulate you for your resources.

>>136706132
"Limited earth resources" and Chinas, at least. Needed to reread it first, sorry for mistakes.

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>>136704371
>humans are selfish and immoral and only care about money
>thus, to stop abuses and selfishness, we need an economy planned and controled by a group of humans
>that will solve everything

Pointing out this fallacy invariably kills the commie.

I've pointed it out before, but you've just ignored it. You fuckers always do.

>>136705389
>So you're saying humans are flawed and will do what's in their best interest even if it means breaking the law?
No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that those who breake the law prosper and dominate under capitalism.
While under communism there is at least some kind of hope.

>>136706132
>"What's more pragmatic - to sustain a competitive, not optimised, encouraging crime system, or to build a new one, elegant, calculated and not wasting limited erath resoursec on consumer craps?"
that's why we have capitalism you dipshit
>Under capitalism by building better living for ones you're inevitably creating insuferrable living conditions for others. That's just wasting human resources.
they pragmatically chose to. Except under communistic regimes that says otherwise
>Oh China. When I braggle about slavery - China turns communist. When I jokingly say about it's groth rate - "CHINA IS NOT PLANNED ECONOMY YOU DUMB FUCK"
depends on how you look at it. China opened to free market ideals, but are still largely communistic when it comes to regulating and control they are still self proclaimed communists. Meaning that the buisnesses are ultimately under the control and ownership of the party. Without the free market policies they would have been starved by now.

>>136693764
those fucking animals in the picture look scary asf imagine walking into your kitchen and seeing those little fucks making food in their id run out the door so fast

>>136706561
>humans are selfish and immoral and only care about money
Nope. Not all of them. I'm saying that those who are like that prosper under capitalism. That's why you can't say that "Capitalism brings good and good only".

>>136697207
fucking kek

>>136693764

Yes it does. People who support socialism think at a 6-year-old level

>>136706883
nooooo not all of them anon. If only they were as good as you desu! quite the god complex you have anon. But you will gladly post off of what ever computer/iphone.

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>>136705502

>all out war economy

It was a War economy, no "all out" of anything. Military spending as percentage of GDP was 18% in 1939. It was 63% in 1945. 1945 was "all out" military spending.

And yes, Germany was heavily in debt before and during the war. Being surrounded by foreign powers that want war with you and refuse your peace offers by the dozen once it breaks out and predicting that war is coming so that you have to expand your armed forces is reasonable warrant for deficit spending on armaments.

>>136696868
But didn't the dog-thing already contribute carrots?

>>136693764
>if it works with 7 people who know each other it would totally work with a country of millions!

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>>136706883
No one in this entire thread has said "Capitalism brings good and good only." That's about the 4th time you've literally had to build a strawman and put words in people's mouths. Face it, you're an idiot. There's no point in even making these faggoty threads because you nu-commie shitbirds just prove every time how little education you actually have.

>>136693764
So there's enough room in the author's house for housing niggers? They have enough to feed and clothe them?

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>>136706883
>some humans are immoral and will play dirty for personal benefit
>that's why we need to concentrate as much power as possible in the hands of the Central Planners
>the communist apparatus of control never gets taken over by immoral people and used to their advantage
>it's a good trade-off to risk an all-out totalitarian state (AKA every communist state in history) to ensure that no private enterpreneur outsources labor

You are hopeless, man.

Communists are too stupid to grasp the complexities of an RTS game, let alone the economy and multi-actor social systems.

>>136693764
That really sums up the childish leftist mind perfectly.

>>136706883
>it's not that society was built around observed human attributes
>it's actually society that defines human attributes!
Why do commies have their heads screwed on backwards?

>>136706603
>Capitalism is not effective nor pragmatic
>That's why we, pragmatic species, have capitalism, hurr durr.
Eh.
>they pragmatically chose to.
No they don't. They're tricked into thinking what capitalism is bees and flowers, everything is fair, and noone's suffering.
>uisnesses are ultimately under the control and ownership of the party
And the party is, almost entirely, large buisness owners. It's worse then just usual capitalism, it's monopolized cyberpunky-corporations_control_everything capitalism.

>>136693764
Fucking nigger frog

>>136693764
Before some jewish holiday, rabbi asked other jews in synagogue to bring vodka, so it will be poured into one big bowl and then distributed to everyone during celebration.

Poor Shlome decides to bring water, he is poor and small dillution won't be noticed.

After pouring all donations into bowl, rabbi fills his glass, drink it in one gulp, then drinks couple more and says:

- And that's why everybody hates us.

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>>136693764
i tried

>>136695280
People are LITERALLY denying that Venezuela is socialist now that it has failed

You can see this happening in real time

>>136693764

That looks like that censored version of itchy and scratchy

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>>136707413
>If they hadn't said it it doesn't means they're not implied it.

Okay. Btw, you're now on the bottom of the pyramid.

>>136693764
>still caught up in left versus right
*yawn

>>136695643
WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB DR PAVEL?

>>136693764
Stupid meme completely ignores where they got the ingredients. Once again showing how stupid socialists are.

>>136707776
>And the party is, almost entirely, large buisness owners.
Nigger that's YOUR party. You fought a war so that China would be run by the Communist Party.

>>136694884
The fuck? it's a meme

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>>136708030
>even though you don't say it, I KNOW you think it!

>doubling-down on a strawman

>>136696609
>50% rate of failure for capitalism

Don't spread this retardation, leaf

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>>136693764
>communists having food
>communists having anything
sounds like property rights to me

>>136707921
Top keks

>>136703768
Don't see any contradiction. You cannot monopolise if everything is already monopolized and monopolist writes laws that make any other business illegal.

>>136697432
other than this post, this thread is a huge waste of time

the cartoonist has a vivid imagination

not reality-based

>>136693764
that frog cleaned up all that shit.... i made his bitch ass do it

>>136694460
This

>>136708030
Your entire argument is:
>HURRR some people suffer in capitalism and i don't get paid what I want so...
>communism (which has lead to the purposeful extermination and exploitation of people in the tens of millions in just the past 100 years alone) must be the answer!
It makes no sense whatsoever, so don't be surprised when people call you out for the dumb fuck you obviously are. You just back-pedaled on the entire "human nature" question because you know you have no answer for it. Go back to /leftypol/, we deal in logic here and your commie horseshit doesn't cut it.

>>136707750

Society defines humans, they're literally cannot exist without it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child

Society, obviously, can't exist without humans too, hurr durr.

Capitalism, while it's one of the kinds (one of them, yeah) of society structure induces worst kinds of human attributes => induces worsen society => etc.

That's why capitalism can't even exist witthout some form of control.

>>136707776
>No they don't. They're tricked into thinking what capitalism is bees and flowers, everything is fair, and noone's suffering
How are they being tricked, anon? What is their other opportunity that doesn't involve taking away from others?

>>136693764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTCTieHlzg

In reality one animal would end up making the dish himself while everyone else ate it before he got a chance to

>>136693764
Why not

>You get to clean up

>>136708831
>HURRR some people suffer in capitalism and i don't get paid what I want so...
> dictatorships (which has lead to the purposeful extermination and exploitation of people in the tens of millions in just the past 100 years alone) must be the answer!

No, that is not my argument, not entirely nor partly.

>>136700555
wow even for an australian this is pretty retarded

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>>136693764
>applies this to nation
>pic related

>>136708876
but less market control and less welfare = higher chance that you starve to death

>>136707947
>Calling country with 2/3 economy in private sector socialistic.

Oh my fucking god i'm so tired of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_JhRVlIR-c&

>>136693764
So they want tbe government to treat the people the way the church used to?

>>136709490
>more market control is good
Oh. Let's go fully controlled, planned economy then.

>>136696868
lol

>>136707776
The problem with socialism/communism is.. people aren't all equal in capacity or motivation.

And if you want equal outcomes, you also need equal input. This is the problem.

How do you motivate the unmotivated to work more, or at all? How do you stop those who are only motivated to get ahead from taking more than their share?

The Soviets had a pretty decent control method. I'm not sure that it's better than capitalism though.

>>136709747
ok, sounds good. can you post pics of tits btw?

>>136708951
>How are they being tricked, anon?
All exploatation is, due to globalized economy, in third world, you don't see it, you don't think it exists -> there is no slavery under capitalism.
>What is their other opportunity that doesn't involve taking away from others?
http://www.fao.org/save-food/resources/keyfindings/en/
That's how much food's getting lost due to inefficiency of capitalist economy. All about a 1/3 of world's food is thrown away. How much more people you could feed with it? That's the alternative.

>>136697894
Ah, equality, finally.

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>>136710097
Sure, comrade.

>>136695280
>aw shucks looks like everything totally collapsed again welp time to try the exact same thing who wants to end up as part of the next million tossed into the ash-heap of history only to be dismissed by entitled western college students as "not real socialism"?

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>>136710163
>All exploatation is, due to globalized economy, in third world, you don't see it, you don't think it exists
I see that we are in the most prosperous era that has ever existed in mankind. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about
>That's how much food's getting lost due to inefficiency of capitalist economy. All about a 1/3 of world's food is thrown away. How much more people you could feed with it? That's the alternative.
again, you have no idea how prevelant famines and food shortages used to be. Capitalism has largly solved that. Death from starvation has nearly diminished because of capitalism.

Communism didn't do that. Communism was the system before capitalism. It worked for small tribes, but when it gets bigger it becomes impossible to plan out an economy that way.

>>136693764
>Communists
>Having enough food for everybody
Maximum kek

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>>136710419
If you're going to ignore the facts I'll go full meme-tanky.

DPRK's not collapsed.
http://theduran.com/truth-north-korea-booming/

>>136710389
plz take off shirt and move a little to the left

>>136693764
Socialism: Works in cartoons.

Really blew my hair back there, OP.

>1 post by this ID
doing the seasoning thing here.

>>136709899
>How do you motivate the unmotivated to work more, or at all?
you mean like money-lenders and "market speculators"?
>How do you stop those who are only motivated to get ahead from taking more than their share?
you mean like "too big to fail" and the corporations that encourage harmful practices to only weasel out of responsibility by bribing people and paying others to argue in circles until it burns out and gets forgotten about until it happens again and then a "law" get made by those whom are paid by lobbyists?
hhmmmm. well
1. find something they are capable of doing well, everyone is good at something. last ditch resort, see point 2.
2. well, they are psychopathic. you remove them from the equation. they are broken-minded and cannot be helped. or they can just be dropped off into the africa and left to fend for themselves. nature finds a way.

>>136693764
Even conservatives believe that voluntary associations or families are free to share what they want. The problem is that socialism isn't a voluntary association.

>>136710889
On r/anarchism I once saw a poster say that perhaps, instead of constantly shit-talking "fascists", they should talk more about the wonderful examples of anarchy and the great things they're doing to their communities

Turned out there's nothing to talk about

And so they went back to shit-talking the fascists.

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>>136710793
I don't give a shit what you do, yours is a retarded meme ideology destined to fail by its very premise
>we're being exploited by a rich, elite, privileged class
>the solution is to concentrate even more power into an even smaller, unaccountable bureaucratic elite

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>>136710538
>I see that we are in the most prosperous era that has ever existed in mankind. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about
>Capitalism has largly solved that
That's due to scientific progress, that is literally, btw, impossible without government control (none likes to invest in fundamental science, renewable energy sources surveys are literally opressed by big oil). The exploitation continues.
>t worked for small tribes, but when it gets bigger it becomes impossible to plan out an economy that way.
It is possible to plan it now. That was one of the massive mistakes of USSR government - systems like OGAS wasn't funded enough. Cybersin project was literally destroyed by US-backed rebels.

>>136711302
then they never bothered to look up all the examples where it works (and yes admitedly, it's a matter of scale). or they were lazy fullofshit morons that wouldn't hackit in a anarchist collective.

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>>136711055
>"too big to fail"; bailouts; lobbying; bribes
>capitalism

Pick two. Literally ALL of those problems you've listed are results of government meddling in the market, which is NOT what capitalism is about.

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>>136711307
>I don't give a shit what you do,
Don't give a shit so much that you continue shitposting here.

>>136710163
20 million dead Ukrainians under communism because whoops

>>136711302
lol

>inb4 that one time in Spain for a few months

>>136711497
>they never bothered to look up all the examples where "anarchy" works

Show me one of those that isn't
>during a war (revolutionary catalonia, this region in ukraine)
>on a very small scale (a tribe, a squat)
>in a work of fiction

>>136711614
exploitation of surplus. plain and simple. they took that surplus and used it in that manner. the "government" validated it. and i agree that this is not what Capitalism should be about. but it's what it has become.

>>136693764
Yeah because applying communism to a retarded cartoon is exactly like applying communism to a real country full of living people,
Fucking deluded commies ffs

>>136711393
>That's due to scientific progress, that is literally, btw, impossible without government control (none likes to invest in fundamental science, renewable energy sources surveys are literally opressed by big oil). The exploitation continues.

The fuck are you talking about. Scientific progress came about by competiting universities who didn't have goverment oversight. Funding universities is a very recent attempt. Before it was never even considered.

>It is possible to plan it now. That was one of the massive mistakes of USSR government
No lenin starved people on purpose. He thought it was justified to get them to learn their lesson. That was his own will doing so blinded by his own ideology, resuliting in millions of deaths. You really need to revisit your understanding of history

>>136711829
4chan is anarchy. you're using it. you tell me if you think "it" works.

Wtf we need to try socialism again
*millions of people starve*

>>136711694
No, cuz Stalen ate all da grain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOwhpnxHYiA

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>>136711834
>the "government" validated it

So I guess, afterall, that the government isn't a beneovelent entity that can do no wrong....

Really makes you reconsider entrusting the government with unlimited power to redistribute wealth

>>136711307
hmm...i think this is wrong though. this is projecting you desire for happiness and physical goods onto communists. you assume they want to control markets out of greed. I think its a bit closer to >>136711302
Most really dont want anything out of life, talk with any of them for long enough and they will tell you they are depressed/have tried to kill themselves in the past. These are just sad suicidal and homicidal people.

>>136712002
>4chan is anarchy.

Literally what? It's just a silly website you nerd, I'm talking about a real life example.

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>>136693764
GOD THIS MAKES M<E SO MAD

EVERYONE GAVE TO THE FROG OUYT OF THE GOONDESS OF THEIR OWN HEARTS, NOT BY STEALING FROM OTHBER PEOPLE

AND ANOHTER THING

NOTICE THAT THERE ARE NO NIGGERS?
COINCIDENCE?
I THINK NOT.

>>136697801
Nothing has value until another person wants it.
Labor itself has no value.
It is what the labor produces that MIGHT hold value, but only if there is a DEMAND for the produce of said labor.

Thus, your labor is only worth what another is willing to pay for it, because it is an INVESTMENT THAT MAY MATURE INTO A SALABLE PRODUCT.

This is why commushits are retards.
Your hard work is worth NOTHING if it cannot make a thing that others want to trade or buy for.

>>136712103
thus, anarchy. thank you. ;)
>>136712200
I just sighted you a "real world" example and you rejected it. you're utilizing anarchy all the time you just don't acknowledge it. I can't me you see the forrest for the trees.

>>136694547
Replace carrot celery and garlic with beets, erase all hope of better life and then you close to communist

>>136711969
>Scientific progress came about by competiting universities who didn't have goverment oversight.
Newton was educated in Trinity college, which was founded by king Henry VIII = by government. Noone fucking invested about some man studying falling apples. The entire physics as a science could not be possible without government.

>It is possible to plan it now. That was one of the massive mistakes of USSR government
>He thought it was justified to get them to learn their lesson. That was his own will doing so blinded by his own ideology, resuliting in millions of deaths. You really need to revisit your understanding of history
What the fuck are you talking about.

>>136694884
>implying 99.9% of heli pilots arent right wing and wouldnt enjoy killing commies

>>136712215
they didn't reject him outright defacto solely because "he didn't contribute" to the soup pot. and what's to say after they fed him that he didn't contribute something on another venture. maybe after they fed him he guarded them while they slept, or cleaned up and washed the dishes.
no niggers, yes, but no explicit "white people" either. UNLESS you factor in their mindset in which case, yeah no nigger-minded psychos. But they also didn't "contract him" into servitude for a single meal.

>>136693764
>6 animals contribute to the pot
>count around the table and see 9 animals
>1/3 of these commies are without contribution

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>>136712496
>a website is a valid example in favor of a socio-economic system
>not entrusting the government with unlimited power is anarchism

Almost hard to believe a person can be so stupid yet breathe on their own
Unless it's bait. Please be bait

>>136712496
> I can't me you see the forrest for the trees.
*can't make you

>>136693873
Dumb commie.

>>136695280
this dude speaks in a way that makes me want to beat his ass

and I know I could

>>136698069
>this is what a 12 year old edgelord repeating his middle school social studies teachers sentiments sounds like

>>136712755
>Newton was educated in Trinity college, which was founded by king Henry VIII = by government. Noone fucking invested about some man studying falling apples. The entire physics as a science could not be possible without government.
false. The catholic pope at the time funded it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College,_Dublin
>What the fuck are you talking about.
Im saying the mistake of the USSR had problems well before its existence. It was well in a shit hole before it collapsed.

>>136712347
Good commies perfectly understand that you say.

But Demand is not a magical number - it can be calculated by market analysys, then extrapolated for population growth, and corrected basing on democratic polls (Quiz like - What do you really need to buy in next month?).
There is no "invisible market hand", there's just a bunch of humans wanting stuff and methods of delivering that stuff to them.

>>136712989
youre literallly describing captilasim you dumb fucking nig noggity nbog nog

>>136712992
>you presume that they didn't work the fields of have other non-food contributions. BAKA.
>>136713067
>not entrusting the government with unlimited power is anarchism
yes, and?
I use anarchy all the time, it's not lawlessness, it's also not gullibility and blind allegience to an ideology. You guys on here are always red team/blue team, everything everywhere is the exact same or FTW let it burn. shame. and yes this website is quite anarchic, and yet it somehow survives. *gasp*
and to address "motivation" what motivates the various "shitposters" to "contribute" to the "product" of the various "threads"? hmm. I don't see anyone here getting bags of sheckels. I know I'M not getting any jewbux.
/pol/ does it for free.

Woah... The globe's economic model should be based on literally cooking soup... wtf I'm a socialist now

>>136696257
this is quite literally the most hilarious thing I've ever seen

nobody who has a legitimate argument against communism speaks like that, we know it doesn't work, and that some of these ad-hominems are actually stereotypes that happen to be true

the fact you need a chart to delineate your responses to various attacks when you can't deal with them on your own is laughable

>>136713812
>false. The catholic pope at the time funded it.
Religion was a branch of government power, there was no secularisation of church and state. So i'm still right.

>Im saying the mistake of the USSR had problems well before its existence. It was well in a shit hole before it collapsed.

It wasn't a shithole for a large period of time. The life of stereotipical ussr citizen was even better in 50-s and 60-s than the life of average statistical US citizen. And that's after a big and devastating for soviet people war.

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It will thrill me to my soul to see every last goddamn commie fucking dead

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>>136714185
>nobody who has a legitimate argument against communism speaks like that
Then why I only hear "Venezuela" and "Human nature" here?

>>136713907
no it's communalism. it's how non-dysfunctional familys work. it's how tribes lived on this continent before colonization. I didn't see any tokens forcably being exchanged in order to procure "goods and services" in the toon, did you? if so then please point it out to me.
>>136713959
figures that the kike would mock his own globalist scheme. With jews, you always lose. When there are no more goys on earth, the jews will eat themselves.

>>136713908
>yes this website is quite anarchic, and yet it somehow survives. *gasp*
HAHAHAHAHA WHAT

>>136714552
A. Neither of those are addressed in the chart
B. When both of the points aren't as oversimplified as you just made them, they are legitimate arguments against communism/socialism

>>136714211
>Religion was a branch of government power, there was no secularisation of church and state. So i'm still right.
Eh sorta. It was a private university so it wasn't directly under his control. The church was acted both as a business and a goverment at the time. But regardless you taking one college out of the whole bigger picture. Scientific progress came from capitalist invested farmers and competing private universities.

>It wasn't a shithole for a large period of time. The life of stereotipical ussr citizen was even better in 50-s and 60-s than the life of average statistical US citizen. And that's after a big and devastating for soviet people war.
and how was the mortality rate?

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>>136699515
>I'm too much of a bitch to ask for a pay rise
fuck off

>>136714211

>The life of stereotipical ussr citizen was even better in 50-s and 60-s than the life of average statistical US citizen

I'm gonna need some sauce for that claim Mr. Commie. Because I've met buttfuckloads of russian immigrants and they said that even we were better off back then.

>>136696979
>If the labor was really priced acordingly to your input

How does this work?

>>136713894
>There is no "invisible market hand", there's just a bunch of humans wanting stuff and methods of delivering that stuff to them.
Yes, the magic of central planning. That worked great in commie Cuba under Che and Fidel!

Prices and the market are the best way of knowing the needs of the population. No government can't compete with that, stop being retarded.

>>136714961
Venezuela was adressed more than once in this thread.
And when I brought up facts about it being 2/3 private and free economy everyone just gone "REEEEEEEE".

>When both of the points aren't as oversimplified as you just made them, they are legitimate arguments against communism/socialism

Okay, make them look not as oversimplified as they, in fact, are.

>>136715189
>I take bible verses out of context because my autism prevents me from understanding anything past the surface
If the man had long gorgeous hair, he would have been told to shave his head. If he had been blessed with the most immaculate goat in the Mediterranean he would have been told to slaughter it. This parable is about faith before all else, and faith in God allowing the impossible to happen.

>>136695280

Does anyone else find amusing as hell how back in the 2000's commies everywhere were pointing to Venezuela as the indisputable proof that Socialism works as long as it's "real socialism", and now that the country has crashed and burned brutally the same people are desperately backpedaling and trying to explain how they were wrong and it was never
"real" socialism"

>>136715623
>2/3 private economy.

Meanwhile every import is partially subsidized by the government with 3-tiered exchange rate system, effectively reducing any incentive to produce in the country. Way to go!

>>136693764
Why are they trying to sell big standard charity as socialism?

>>136715083
>Scientific progress came from capitalist invested farmers and competing private universities.
Lol. Elaborate.
>and how was the mortality rate?
Pretty much the same. Stalin died in 1953 and there was almost no repressions in Khruschev period, if you're trying to bring that point in.

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>>136697432
Top zozzle

>>136693764
>broth of unprepared vegetables with no thickening agent or meat

I imagine that tomorrow's soup will consist of a bunch of starving faggots staring into their empty bowls.

>>136715859
>Meanwhile every import is partially subsidized by the government with 3-tiered exchange rate system, effectively reducing any incentive to produce in the country. Way to go!
That's the failure of the ideology itself, or that specific capitalist country?

>>136695643
why not
>rope his neck
>shoot him
>throw him out and hang him
you just triple suicided him

>>136715792
>This parable is about faith before all else, and faith in God allowing the impossible to happen.
>Charity is impossible.

>>136716234
It's a failure of socialism, friend. In the sense that, by subsidizing the import of certain goods, you effectively destroy any incentive to produce them in the country. This is all done with the intent of saving the poor, so they can afford them, but it ends up ruining your internal market.
It's a completely socialist problem, which happened in Venezuela. Under a capitalist system, a single exchange rate would prevail, fluctuating according to its supply and demand.

>>136715801
>back in the 2000's commies everywhere were pointing to Venezuela as the indisputable proof
Any proofs?

>>136716386
If commies put food in peoples mouths as well as you put words in peoples mouths you might have a successful country to point at.

>>136693764
This requires that people behave altruistically in order to work. What if someone says, "in order to share you must contribute" to the frog?

>>136696868
Pepper shaker looks like benis lel

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>>136693873

don't curse me damn gypsie!

>>136693764
It would be better if the pig said 'I have pork' and the whole comic becomes a murder mystery case where the weird, autistic animals try and find out where the pork came from, and it turned out the pork was from his brother's dick, but then the pig justifies this by saying, 'Well, he was a beouegiouse capitalist' and all the animals sigh in some psychotic relief, 'that's true!'

That would've been good.

>>136716491
Can I read more about subsidies? That's a valid point I've never heard before, and I think it's more complex than just "hurr durr let's pay more for imported goods everywere".

But even if it's completely true I still can't see it as the failure of a socialism itself. Subsidizing imports it's a specific measure of single country.

>>136715970
well it first started wiht something called join stock investments, another capitalist invention, were colinization was first made possible. As colonies started to flourish it essentially became a game of who could produce the most goods once all the land was taken up. and then the logic went like this
>farmer wants to make more money than other farmer
>this farmer makes a device to outsource his competition
> it works holy shit
>sell invention among other farmers
>the birth of manufacturing begins
see the industrial revolution

>>136716553

Sure thing, not my fault you were underaged back then so you weren't aware of it.

https://www.socialistalternative.org/2007/11/05/debates-on-hugo-chavez-and-socialism/
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03057920903434897?scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=ccom20

>>136703048
>Is it possible that being "enslaved" by a western corporation is actually a better fate than the rice paddys?

Exactly this, PoleAnon. I heard some guy on the radio one time that had cycled across China. If I remember correctly, he had gone planning to go all SJW and see these horrible factories where kids are chained to machines and worked to death. What he actually found was lengthy waiting lists for jobs at these factories. A factory job is Willy Wonka's Golden Ticket over there, a chance to quit grubbing for food and burning buffalo dung to keep warm. Really activated the guy's almonds.

>>136709899
Perfection. Drop the mic.

>>136716945
https://mises.org/library/venezuelas-bizarre-system-exchange-rates
Read here. Basically the exchange rate of Bolivar to USD had 3 tiers, depending on what you are importing. For instance, you could import flour for 100 bolivars to a USD, but a gold watch would be 1000 bolivars to a USD.

I see it as a failure of socialism because you have a good intention in mind (making goods cheaper for poor people) but at the end of the day you are creating a bigger problem in the long run, such as today, when there no longer are enough USD to ensure the import of flour at the rate of 100 bolivar to 1 USD.
It's unnecessary government meddling in a situation where the free market does a much better job, and this does not happen anywhere else.

Also, to add on why the invisible hand is much better at meeting consumer needs, as opposed to centrally planned economies, read the following:
http://www.allaboutlean.com/cuba-economy-1/

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>>136701129
>not posting even one piece of evidence
this is why you people are retarded