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Can we just realize that Capitalism has caused WAY more pain and death than Communism has?
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Daily reminder that communism has always lost to capitalism.
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Accidental death? Maybe, you'll have to argue that though. Deliberate, malicious death? Yeah, all the Jews, Turks and Goths that died in the holodomor or in Stalinist gulags or on Cambodian killing fields would disagree. Difference is Marxist ideologies are actually malicious and wants to cause pain, capitalism is just uncaring.
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>>136654687
it also caused way more good
>the toll of being the best and most successful system
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>>136654687
A new war is started every time a Republican takes office.
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>>136654687

OP confirmed as a bernout college debt fag.

Hey faggot, if you want things in life you have to work for them.
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>>136654687
certainly not
nothing has ever pulled people out of misery anywhere near as much as capitalism
and nothing has ever thrown people into misery anywhere near as much as communism

deal with it, you inhuman kleptomaniac and fascist piece of commie shit
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Capitalism works everywhere it is tried.
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>>136655200
FREE MARKET capitalism works everywhere it is tried, don't let the Marxists get you by using heavily regulated nations like Africa as examples of capitalism.
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>>136654687

Capitalism is an umbrella term.
Communism is authoritarian control by the state / state control all means of production.

Its funny because communists complain about Trump, but under a communist society he would have absolute control. But I still don't understand why communism is so appealing to commie larps.
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>>136654687
Nope. Because Capitalism also creates happiness in excess of the suffering it imposes. The invisible hand of the free market is just good like that.


Communism creates nothing. And only appears good temporarily to the envious faggots who delight in the momentary subjugation of their superiors.

It's a dead ideology with a century of failure under its belt. Move the fuck on already. No wonder the left is a fucking a joke now.
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>>136654687
Go to the kitchen and find a fork. Pull out your scrotum, and shove the fork in your nutsack.
Repeat, until death envelops you.
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>>136654892
The entire purpose of Capitalism is to climb up the ladder of business in order to oppress the people below you. We have enough resources to exist without this system, but the people in power want to keep the system the same so they can grow their wealth and power beyond the need of any one person. Communism (At least, the way many perceive it) aims to make life a positive thing for everyone, with everybody being on the same level and having the option to do what they want to do. Capitalism, on the other hand, keeps people down so that the wealthy can continue growing their wealth and influence. The only reason that Communist states haven't succeeded in the past is because they were taken over by an authoritarian regime (EX. Stalin, Mao, Castro.) The real problem with regimes of the past were the leadership, not the people who created the revolution.
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>>136655447
You literally didn't respond to my only real point

Capitalism is shit, but merely uncaring.
Marxist ideologies are outright malicious.

Your sophistry shit isn't convincing, you haven't disproved that Marxism is actually a demonic evil.
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>>136655327
>FREE MARKET capitalism works everywhere it is tried

Capitalist systems does work.
However, Free Market capitalism does not, at least in the long term.

Hence outsourcing, hence race to the bottom, globalization of labor, upcoming slave wages., less production because of declining sales globally, etc.

The Free Market offsets all economies by forcing down the price of labor, which eventually cause sales to decline because the working class are the ones keep the market afloat. This causes a spiral, and it is currently out of control.
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>>136655447
Guess what the entire purpose of communism is
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>>136654687
The only people who die from the existence of properties rights are trespassers and thieves. Good riddance.
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>>136655447
Spoken like a true godless commie.

It's not an oppression Olympics. Some of us just want to produce, and be treated fairly for doing so.
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>>136655447
>The entire purpose of Capitalism is to climb up the ladder

That's actually called class struggle and it is (or was) the core principle of Marxism.
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>>136654687
Capitalism is far more popular and successful than communism.
So even if that assertion were true, which it's not, capitalism is per-capita FAR less painful and murderous than kikemunism.
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>>136655327
That Botswana is really out of place.
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>>136654687
+ for fuck captialism and all the fat fucks it creates
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>>136654687
>bill's pic
jesus christ, what the fuck happened to him?
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>>136655722
The entire purpose of Communism is the abolition of all private property, It's spelled out right there in all the literature.

The old school definition of private property includes your children, your body, and your life, btw.
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>>136655447
>he only reason that Communist states haven't succeeded in the past is because they were taken over by an authoritarian regime

Communism is authoritarian control by the state. Doesn't matter who you place in power, it will always become a despot.
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>>136655714
>Hence outsourcing
Outsourcing is similar to automation, it causes temporary unemployment but benefits the economy in the long run by allowing specialization of jobs and cheaper goods.
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>>136655447
>with everybody being on the same level
Literally only control freaks and inferiors think this is a good thing.
Commies need to be exterminated.
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>>136654687
It's a slider.
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>>136654687
I think you mean wealth, prosperity, growth, and innovation
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>>136656241

no it doesn't, it lowers the quality of the goods and allows the supplier to sell the goods on any market once a local market is run into the ground, because its global.
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Yes and the internet is capitalisms undoing. You know, the place where free things are the best? And knowledge cant be monetized. All you internet-addicted neets are communists.
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>>136656166
Please don't engage with anyone this stupid in the future. If he doesn't know command and control economics only ever leads to corruption after a full century of disaster, he'll never learn.

Buy Bitcoin, and hope for the best.
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>>136656349
People, in the past, usually only innovated due to their own greed and to become powerful. Now, with all that we have, we can support all people living on the planet, but choose not to due to the brainwashing of the people in power and the Capitalist 1%.
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>>136654687
It hasn't retard, in fact it's been scientifically studied
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>>136656540
Holy shit you are a fucking retard. Memes are being commidified on the daily. Before your very eyes, and on this very site.

How fucking dumb are you? IQ 85, I'd guess.
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>>136654687
>150 million deaths under communism since 1900
just kys commie scum
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>>136655447
>with everybody being on the same level

Pic related
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>>136654687
That picture immediately makes me think of

>You white knighting me, boy??!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XC2ImyZrxM

Peek MM
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>>136656545

lol, Yeah
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PEAK, dammit.
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>>136654687
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>>136656540
>knowledge cant be monetized
I guess that shitty university you're going to some day isn't making any money at all right?
keep flipping those burgers kid.
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>>136654687
The only death capitalism cause was during the great depression, as far as my knowledge extends.

As for communism, there have been numerous atrocities committed, including the separation of families against their will, famine (which America had to help deal with) and Political prisoners (Granted on both sides, I have no knowledge of any American political prisoners during the cold war being tortured/killed, so correct me if I'm wrong).

The Russians even have an Anti-Gay movement.

Then again. I'm fresh out of high school, so you can correct me where I am Factually incorrect.
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>>136657143
Dude, you can't explain real life to commies. They live in a fantasy world that was conceived by a cocksucking houseboy over a hundred years ago.
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>way more pain and death
And also way more good where Communism did none.
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>>136654687
Communism causes more suffering per capita you gigantic semantic spewing faggot.
Just because there have been less total people living under Communism that Capitalism that DOES NOT MEAN that Capitalism is more harmful than Communism which has reliably destroyed EVERYTHING it has touched since its inception.
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>>136655447
False argument. Capitalism isn't about climbing a ladder to oppress people below you, it's about being rewarded for risking time and money. You can hire people to help you but you're not oppressing them by giving them a market wage for their help. This has to be bait sage
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>>136654687
>more pain and death by raw numbers has occurred in the middle of capitalist systems by sheer economy of scale
>capitalism caused it all
>no other metric by which goodness can be valued
>no other metric by which badness can be valued
legit fascism is superior though
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>>136654687
Source?
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>>136654687
Maybe it's time to find something better than both...
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>>136657202
Capitalism has caused many deaths. I agree that there have been MANY atrocities committed by authoritarian communists in the past, though. The main way that Capitalism falls short is in poor places, like Africa, where the greed of the upper classes causes them to exploit their natural resources, and keep their people starving and clueless. And there is nothing that the rest of the world will do, because their rich and wealthy people only accrue wealth for themselves. Even Bill Gates, a man famous for his charity, is still worth more money than any of us will ever see in our lives. I have to say, I respect you about 8x more than the rest of the people in this thread though. Good job, leaf.
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On the internet, the better the content, the more likely it is to be available for free. Is this free market or communism?

Free markets existed in 12th century China. In modern USA, they don't exist. If they did, I could grow and sell weed out of my backyard. Is America capitalist? Was medieval China capitalist?


The current system we live under is more similar to an aristocracy: quality social services only for the very rich; everyone else is a peasant, soldier, or servant.

Knowledge cannot be monetized, because once you give it away, it's gone forever---the student who has learned no longer needs the teacher's service. Look at what youtube has done to subvert public education(which is not communist, btw). Any layman can learn almost anything for free online, as opposed to the hierarchical, expensive college orthodoxy that leads to aristocracy.
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I'm always so curious about what these commie """revolutionaries""" think their future looks like in communism. same with socialists.

do you think you're going to be an artist? a freelance blogger? a writer? a poet? a professor?

no. you're going to be pulling a lever in a factory just like the rural and suburban retards you despise.
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Capitalist love competition, recource management, time and money, etc. But all of these things they love are ancient concepts.

What really needs to change is industrialized capitalism--- this is what is killing the food supply, killing the environment, causing cancer, incentivizing warfare, and so on.

Competition is natural. Not a new concept.

Communism is just a word, like democracy. America calls itself one of the two, but it is neither---just an authoritarian regime (tho Trump is kicking some good ass). North Korea calls itself communist, but its just a much less effective authoritarian regime than USA.

The power structures that oppress us are the same shape they were before the French revolution.
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>>136655447

dumbshit kid. capitalism is the only system that makes trade somewhat fair. people cannot be trusted to do things fairly on their own due to human nature. human nature is also why communism fails every single time - people can't be trusted to do what's right.
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>>136657656
Blacks are card-carrying commies. Your argument is therefore invalid.
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>>136657656
>Capitalism falls short is in poor places, like Africa, where the greed of the upper classes causes them to exploit their natural resources, and keep their people starving and clueless.
Ummm, no, it doesn't. They were starving and clueless before capitalism, and once the whites set up their capitalist infrastructure, they had more food and other resources then they ever had before, leading to population explosions. They also had access to the white's technology and education. Which lead to the problem: there was the inherent inequality of how things were shared. Sure they had more, but whites always had the lion's share of things. And if you count the effort put into building up to prosperity, they should deserve more it as they were the ones who brought the technology and invested in the infrastructure. But it's understandable that Africans would feel resentment. After all, it is their country and no one likes an foreign entity buying up and plundering your resources and giving you the equivalent of scraps. That sense of nationalism caused things like rebellions, leading to reactionary socialist/communist regimes and klepto dictatorships which fucked everything up and made them starve for real. Zimbabwe and South Africa are good case studies.
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>>136656123

hillary sucks the life out of him
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>>136657656
>Capitalism falls short is in poor places, like Africa, where the greed of the upper classes causes them to exploit their natural resources

Where are the free markets in these places? It seems to me that the places you're referring to are breeding grounds for government control and corruption along with state sponsored genocide.
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>>136654687

Even if we accept that as true, it has also caused way more pleasure, survival, and overall positive things than Communism ever did, too.

In fact it just gives more of everything than Communism ever has.
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>>136658821
Africa is a failed continent, but this is only an example of bad government, bad management, failure, etc.

Failure to industrialize, to capitalize, communizing.

"Capitalists" love to point fingers at failed states and call them communist, when really, it's just a failed state. Communism is just a word.

North Korea calls itself communist, even though communism is a global idea, and DPRK is really a slave state.

USA calls itself a democracy, when really it's an aristocracy.

People misuse words all the time.

And industrialists exploited Africa to the bone and continue to do so---this is wrong.

Make no mistake---a United States of Africa would be Goliath, one of the wealthiest places in all the world, population and natural resources.
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>>136654687
My country used to be communist and is kinda capitalist now. I'd punch you in the face for making that statement seriously.
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>>136659331
>Capitalists" love to point fingers at failed states and call them communist, when really, it's just a failed state
There are very few failed free market capitalist states.
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>>136659117
In the villages. Free markets are natural things that have existed for millennia.

Free Markets =\= capitalism.

Industrialism is what you're thinking about maybe---- this is where Africa lagged.
And so did Russia, China, and others---but look how far these nations of PEASANTS have come in just 100 years under leaders calling themselves "communists." Peasants to nukes in 30 years for Russia; peasants to #1 or #2 world Economy for a China.
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>>136659331
The US is a Republic, you halfwit neckbeard.
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>>136655447
Basically you're a loser and you want my shit so you can take what you want and then throw the leftovers to Tyrone while leaving me a beggar.
Yeah, fuck you. Don't tread on me.
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>>136659536
Free markets exist everywhere; its natural. In the USA, illegal drugs are a free market.

Your point is moot because a failed state is neither capitalist or communist--it's nothing.

>>136659847
You think so? And yet, to whom do I pay rent? The land LORD, that's right folks. Rich people don't go to jail, Clinton is a murderer walking free, the military is worshiped. USA is feudal.
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>>136660238
>Your point is moot because a failed state is neither capitalist or communist--it's nothing.
Fine, very few states are free market capitalist when they fail.
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>>136654687
>realize
Virtue signalling piece of shit
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>>136654687
SAGE
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>>136656798

Even these communist faggots think they're special and will get put "in charge" of all the other equal people. They don't even bat an eye when they say it. They don't think they will be the ones toiling in the fields or being one of the regular "workers".
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>>136654687
>Can we just realize that Capitalism has caused WAY more benefit and improved-standards than gommunism has?
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>>136660432
Libya?

Are you suggesting that free market capitalist states can't fail? What about 2008? What about USA in 1928? Germany after WW1?

Say what you want about Venezuela but she will recover.
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>>136660771
>Say what you want about Venezuela but she will recover.
When they remove the Communist/Socialist establishment
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>>136655447
>entire purpose of Capitalism is to climb up the ladder of business in order to oppress the people below you
I wouldn't say "oppress" is a necessary element of advancing in a hierarchy. Your definition of "oppress" seems to just mean "has more money", which is a pretty juvenile opion, IMO. Also, I think hierarchies are a natural and good thing, because they allow for more efficient allocation of labor and resources by people of high intelligence and wisdom. Giving power to the plebs all the time seems like it would lead to inefficiency and foolishness. As Hoppe said: "kindergarteners will vote to give themselves unlimited recess 100% of the time".

>not the people who created the revolution
You realize that Lenin and Mao literally started their ideology with a dictatorship in mind, right? That was Lenin's vanguard theory.
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>>136659331
>North Korea calls itself communist, even though communism is a global idea, and DPRK is really a slave state.

A slave state is how communist states always end up. You can't get rid of human nature. People are different, have different goals, different drives, different levels of greed that you cannot remove. And to incorporate a communist government, you're going to have to have someone in charge to organize all the others. People just aren't going to come together and create a communal type of government. As for the citizens, the only way to get people to do what is best for the group as a whole, and not themselves is to force them to do what is needed. And once that boundary is overstepped, your pie in the sky vision of communism plows into the ground. You can't lift dolts and retards up, you have to force the optimists and hard workers down to get an "equal level."
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well 100% of people die under every -ism, so I guess the ideology that killed the most is the one that's been around the longest for the most people
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>>136660771
>Are you suggesting that free market capitalist states can't fail?
Unless they are invaded by a foreign power it would be incredibly rare for a free market capitalist nation to fall.

>>136660771
>What about 2008? What about USA in 1928?
Downturns in the economy which we recovered from.

>Germany after WW1?
A economic downturn aggravated by hyperinflation (which itself was caused by government intervention, both foreign and domestic).

>Say what you want about Venezuela but she will recover.
Eventually, yes, likely after a more capitalistic government is put in charge.
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>>136660969
So many 666sss

The establishment in USA called itself liberal, and yet, it is probably fascist. Words words words.

Just bc Venezuela called themselves socialist does not make an effective government. The people in charge failed--replace them with competent people, call it whatever you want, call it dickocracy, and it will do better.

Also, socialism =\= communism. Communism is world gov.
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>>136657054
wow nice strawman
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>>136654687
Has it? I'm pretty comfy typing on a laptop, from my bed, talking to random anons about international politics...from a fucking third world country.
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>>136661427
>Communism is world gov.
keep kicking the ball further so you never have to look at your failures
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>>136661427
>Communism is world gov

How are you gonna cope with the fact that the majority of the working-class are nationalist and ethnocentric though?

If anything, the capitalist elites (many of them pro-left media people and actors, etc.) are the most globalist, because they spend a lot of time trading and doing business with foreigners, and sampling all the world's delicacies and treasures like unhinged hedonists.
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>>136661579
To be fair, you might not be a 3rd world country if your nation had followed free market capitalism's example.
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>>136661219
I think communism works with a libertarian mindset at a grassroots level, and then only with free markets and a world government to maintain world peace. Pie in the sky, yeah, but eventually humanity needs world peace.

>>136661420
Government intervention, I see you are using as a synonym for communism. But Germany was not in any way communist when it failed---yes it eventually recovered too. But USA in 1933 was an industrial capitalist failed state.

Free states invaded by foreign powers is a feature of the modern industrial capitalist nuclear autocracy run by USA and banks. That must change eventually or it will fail like it is in 1928 or worse.
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>>136662042
>I think communism works with a libertarian mindset at a grassroots level

How are you going to enforce egalitarianism across vast, even global, landmasses, and across huge populations without an authoritarian state forcing them to?

Who decides how much wealth is "necessary" for the baseline prole on a global scale?

How will you import and distribute geographically-specific resources, such as the rare earth element mines in China?
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>>136661860
Unhinged hedonism is a feature of monarchy, aristocracy, empire, etc etc---America in a nutshell. Today's globalists are real bastards.

It's ok if the working class is nationalist-- they can stay that way in their communities. I think they deserve more economic liberty, fair treatment, healthcare, and be allowed to thrive. Right now, so many places are exploited and it is simply waste.
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>>136661906
I guess we would be better than the socialist shithole we are now. But we have no natural resources other than farming land and cattle.
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>>136662042
>Government intervention, I see you are using as a synonym for communism
No. The reason I insist on using the term "free market capitalism" instead of just "capitalism" is because I'm drawing a distinction between the lightly regulated capitalist economies (like Switzerland, Chile, and Botswana) and the heavily regulated capitalist economies (like Venezuela and Ethiopia).
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>>136662377
Actually I believe in libertarianism, not egalitarianism-- they confound each other.

No one "decides" what is necessary--- it is simply a practical matter that everyone needs to eat healthy, receive healthcare, have access to education and justice in a safe world.

Importing and exporting will happen naturally, based on who needs what.

I think free markets are natural and happen no matter what the ideology.
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>>136662378
I thought commies were basically all socially-leftist, in that you hated the concept of nationalism and ethnocentrism, and even wanted to outright destroy it. The Soviet Union did this very often to its member states, such as Estonia, Poland, and Hungary.

What would you say to people that want to form their own NatSoc community and still have a degree of hierarchy and capital within your "communist patchwork" of autonomous regions?

See pic related, an American NatSoc (Traditionalist Worker Party) argues with an Antifa leftcom about the differences in their ideology:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7f9EGOlrMs
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This OP
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>>136662380
>But we have no natural resources other than farming land and cattle.
Neither do Hong Kong, Singapore, or Switzerland. Heck, Chile only really has copper. Yet free market capitalism is so awesome that it seems to create wealth and prosperity out of nowhere, like fucking magic (in reality it's because you can import raw materials and export finished goods and have a very successful economy that way)
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>>136654687

Communism is the true real of the masses.
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>>136662543
Ok. Well, my point about Germany in the 20s still stands. Failed state that was free market.

Venezuela and Ethiopia are failed states because they have shit leaders, and/or they don't fit in with the current global system. I don't think it's a coincidence Venezuela has oil. Would it surprise anyone if USA barged in? We do that to keep the industry rolling, so every fat fucking nomad in this country can sit on ass 4 hours a day eating burgers.

Lightly regulated seems to be the way to go. I wish USA was lightly regulated.
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>>136662799
Yeah, but we have too many Uruguayans for fuck sake. We don't code, we don't do finance. We just kick football players on the shins and drink mate.
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>>136654687
Yup
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OP your b8 is gr8 m8 8/8
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>>136654687
Hundreds of Millions died to Communist and Leftist bullshit. Do not kid yourself. Mao Ze Dong killed 38-67 million people under his system, Stalin killed around 20 million.
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And /thread.
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>>136662741

I'm a new kind of commie. The kind that votes Trump. Guess I'm conservative as well? What can I say, the guy is competent. We commies like strong leaders.

20th century communism failed in many respects. USSR was an oppressive regime, up against another oppressive regime (USA).

As long as a NatSoc community remained peaceful and libertarian, I see no problem. The combination of Nationalism and Socialism, at the time, was seen as a contradiction of terms, I would like to point out---Slavoj Zizek calls it "capitalism without the capitalism."
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>>136654687
"Capitalism" has always been a straw-man, created by Mr Marx to advance his idea of communism, and, O.P., your post shows exactly this.
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>>136663466
I think Zizek's sinus infection is affecting his brain.
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>>136655399
There's no such thing as "capitalism," Anon. See ---> >>136663491
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>>136663466
>being a godless commie
Hell is for ever!
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>>136657628
National Socialism failed. Let the free market reign supreme!
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>>136663078
This is where allowing immigration (without welfare) actually comes in. Let's say Uruguay magically becomes libertarian. Educated businessmen from abroad come and take advantage of the very low amount of taxes and regulations. This leads to new factories, jobs, infrastructure, etc.

These foreign educated businessmen can then take in interns, build private schools, send promising workers to trade schools, etc. I'm not saying everyone will suddenly become super smart, most of you will probably end up working in a factory (but even the factory workers will be better off than they are now) but it will give an opportunity for the smartest and hardest working of you to get a decent position higher up in the hierarchy.
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Threadly reminder that all yellow-flag posters are literally insane.


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>>136663671
>>136663692
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>>136663563
lol I think that's why (((they))) let him live. He's disgusting, no one will believe him.

>>136662741
Interesting video. I think there's some silent Trump voters there...

>>136663666
Earth is hell. And I live in the South so it's a humid hell.
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>>136660238
>hillary is a murderer walking free
maybe you aren't that fucking retarded
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>>136663773
Daily reminder that economic freedom is directly correlated with economic prosperity.
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>>136663973
Even commies have brains. We did beat the nazis. ;)
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>>136654687
You're both wrong
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>>136654687
>we
maybe you alone, retard
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>>136654687
>Realize
For us to realize something it would have to be true in the first place and your statement is about as untrue as it gets.
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>>136664095
>implying only they defeated them
>forgets america was coming in from the west and commiefags were nearest
>eastern europe still has shit economy because of commiefags like you
just reversed that 1% of autism you lost before
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>>136655447
>Communism (At least, the way many perceive it) aims to make life a positive thing for everyone, with everybody being on the same level and having the option to do what they want to do.
No, it doesn't.
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>>136664095
Only the usury banking system won WW2
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>>136663466
>I'm a new kind of commie. The kind that votes Trump
what the fuck are you talking about, take off that flag idiot
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>>136664378
Ha

20 million dead Russians...did all the work...get no credit...

>be USA
>show up late after Russia already won
>invent Hollywood and take all the credit
>fat burger fucks lose nukes to Ruskies
>trillions spent on weapons so the Chinks can steal it all for nothing
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>>136664572
Chan put it there not me

We like strong leaders, comrade.
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The Jewish Banking Mafia:

Jew - Rothschild Banks of London
Jew - Rothschild Banks of Berlin
Jew - Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Jew - Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Jew - Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany
Jew - Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Jew - Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Jew - Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Jew - Goldman Sachs (Obamas biggest corporate donor in 2008/2012) CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Jew - The Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yelen (before, Ben Shalom Bernanke and Alan Greenspan) including top shareholders Goldman Sachs (Jewish), J.P. Morgan Chase (Jewish) and the Rothschilds banking cartel (Jewish)
Jew - Citigroup Chairman Stanford Weil and Co Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - Wells Fargo Chairman John Stumpf
Jew - Bank of America Chief Executive Charles Noski
Jew - Barclays Chief Executive Robert Diamond
Jew - J.P. Morgan Chase Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Diamond
Jew - Morgan Stanley President and Chief Executive James Gorman
Jew - USB AG Chief Executive Oswal Gurbel
Jew - CFTC Chariman Gary G. Gensler
Jew - SEC Chariwoman Mary Schapiro
Jew - NFA President Daniel Roth
Jew - FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum
Jew - NYSE Euronext President Duncan Niederauer
Jew - NASDAQ OMZ Group Chief Executive Robert Greifield
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>>136663253
This is misleading af
18 million each year sounds horrible and apalling, but when you consider that it's 18 million out of 7 billion, then it's pretty much nothing.
And the fact that 868 million people "go hungry" is only proof that capitalism works, just not perfectly. Pol Pot starved and murdered a third of his country and yet some people starving in Africa, India or some other shithole is too much to bear?
How many are starving to death in Europe right now? In America? Hell, even in south america people starving to death is uncommon. Look at Venezuela. They started starving and the whole world set their eyes on them.
Africa and Asia don't have hunger issues because of capitalism, it's because they're complete retards. People there insist in having dozens of children when they can barely afford to feed themselves alone. It's natural selection doing it's work
It's also capitalism that keeps them from being wiped out of the face of the planet by diseases and overpopulation, so I'd say they should be thankful for that.
And about the homeless issue, what do you expect anyone to do about that?
"vacant homes" are still private property.
Are you suggesting we take them from their rightful owners to distribute them along people who have done nothing to deserve them other than suffer for not having a house? And even if you did manage to get every one of their owners to let a homeless person live in their "vacant homes", how would you go around distributing them? You wouldn't want to be unfair, would you? No, you'd have to deal with some people getting bigger and better homes. I'd bet you there'd be homeless people complaining that their free house is smaller than their neighbours' free house.
Maybe you're right and capitalism doesn't work at all. But what's the alternative? Giving up all personal freedom and most of my happyness so people I've never met can live marginally better lives?
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>>136654687
>Can we just realize that Capitalism has caused WAY more pain and death than Communism has?
Can we just realize that (((Communism))) has caused more pain and death than (((Capitalism))) has? at least so far since communism is even worse as ignorant as capitalism may be. There are plenty of better, older systems of government out there but (((they))) and all the other -ism fetishes can't think outside their bipolar (or is it bisexual?) views given to them by "authority" in both cases. Good thing the truth came out about the Earth being round eventually since the church and the pagan atheists wouldn't even consider any other view point no matter what. It's quiet the drama. Not that I sit around worrying about what harmless indoor-ism spoiled little kids think either way.
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>>136664973
Good goy
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>>136654687
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Of course capitalism is the cause of more deaths 3/4s of the world uses it communism is used by a few countries
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Multiculturalism benefits the bourgeoisie the most. Cheap labour and distraction to prevent revolution. Killing 2 goys with one stone

Diverse regions voted for Clinton.

Pure white for Bernie.

Homogeneous regions have no problem with socialism.

Diverse regions just want enough welfare to appease the ethnic tensions.

Hillary won every city, Bernie won all the white trash areas.

Bernie Sanders would literally be president right now if everyone was a rural and suburban rednex.

Most Bernie voters are still adamant supporters of increased immigration and multiculturalism

Thanks to niggers and spics Bernie lost.

And yet Bernie Sanders, along with his supporters, still are begging for more "diversity".
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>>136664727
>takes 20 million to defeat Nazis
the soviet union was a fucking joke
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>>136654687
Socialism is obviously morally,culturally superior and will win out in the long run, opposed to this insane world you live in.
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>>136666323
No! Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.
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>>136666323
How's Venezuela doing? Seems like you would be happier moving over there to enjoy all that winning.
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>>136666323
Daily reminder that socialism has always lost to capitalism.
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>>136666740
It's time to move to the next level
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>>136666740
I don't think so
socialist nations have better education, healthcare, national identity, happiness, and even the USSR won the space race against USA (whose blew up 2 ships)
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>>136666027
Einbuttengehurt nazifahg
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>>136667541
I hate useful idiots so much
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>>136655366
>But I still don't understand why communism is so appealing to commie larps.

They're lazy parasites.
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Can you die
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>>136654687
Pick up a book sometime on history.
Google does not count.
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>>136663253
Can u pls die
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Third position faggots. Being half socialist still makes you fucking socialists
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>>136654687
it didnt
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>>136655447
>this is waht cuckmunists actually believe
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>>136667527
>socialist nations have better education, healthcare, national identity, happiness
Which ones? The only fully socialist nation on Earth right now is North Korea.
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>>136669404
This. There's no reason to compromise with perfection.
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>>136654687

Do you know how many people have died in the Soviet Union for the sake of Stalin's communism anon ?

Do you know how many people have died in the revolutions that took down the Soviet Union ?

All i see against Capitalism is Ocuppy Wallstreet.
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>>136655447
>The entire purpose of Capitalism is to climb up the ladder of business in order to oppress the people below you
Have you ever considered the posibility that many of those who are below are there because are stupid or lazy as fuck pricks that prefer to not give a damn about anything and blame someone else instead?

>but the people in power want to keep the system the same so they can grow their wealth and power beyond the need of any one person
although i agree with you on that one, the same happens in communism/socialism shitshows. Just look at what is currently happening in memezuela: maduro is literallydoing everything he can to stay in power, even if that means the death of many of their countrymen and the utter destruction of their nation; the same happened in China with Mao and Stalin in Russia, that you don't want the way we do things? to the gulag it goes, Next!!

>Communism wants everyone to be happy, to be on the same level to achieve the common good
this is ridiculous as fuck because this goes against human nature. The people that compose a nation aren't the same: while you or a friend of yours is woring his ass off either to provide his child and wife and improve his living standards, two of more are just out there fooling around and asking for free shit. To be on the same levels implies that no any attempt you do to imporv yourself or a business are futile. We're equal: lazy shitheads are equal to entrpeneurs or people that work and save their shekels to invest in something; junkies are equal to doctors and so forth. This is utterly retarded and extremely fucking destructive, communism is one of the worst thing ever created.

>they were taken by authoritarian regimes
because that's part of being a fucking commie
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>>136654687
Fro free from me
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>>136660969
You mean the country with a 70% private sector. That socialist country?
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>>136669618
Not true. Cuba and partially china are socialist right now. Best Korea has abandoned the idea.
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>>136654687
>somebody in a capitalist country eats desert
>somebody else on a different country starves to death
>OMFG CAPITALISM DIRECTLY KILLED THAT PERSON
Die you commie fuck.
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>>136655447
answer me this
who´s closer to what marx wanted
fidel castro, lenin, stalin, mao, or milton friedman?
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>>136654687
Sure, at least people in capitalistic countries don't eat their children from starvation. Idiot.
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>>136657656
Listen you fucking retard, if you "redistributed" (read: STOLE) all of Bill Gates' wealth to the masses, if it was only people in the United States everybody would get $300 ONCE, and if it was to the entire world everybody would get $12 ONCE and never again. And guess what? The thousands of people being employed by him, his assets responsible for the productivity of his business and the billions upon billions he donates to charities would cease to be because you took everything from him. Congratulations, you're now $12 richer.
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>>136654687
No, because you're only argument is "capitalism didn't stop X from happening."

As opposed to communism's mantra of "be a worthless piece of shit, steal from everyone, kill those who disagree, offer nothing of value to humanity."
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>>136674181
>Cuba
Has already started to embrace some measure of capitalism after we opened up trade and Fidel Castro died.

>partially china
A country can't be "partially socialist". Either the people own the means of production or they don't.
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>>136654687
nah
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>>136654687

in my country caused A LOT of pain and deaths
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>>136654879
>le burgers are American meme
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>>136654687
>Communism kills 120m worldwide between 1910 and 1960
>Capitalism wastes 1.3m gooks in Vietnam and 200k in Japan.
Something doesn't add up. Oh yea, your a dumb faggot.
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>>136675429
That's such an awkward composition 2/10
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