How to Spot a Pagan

You have to follow Jesus/God and the Bible to get to heaven.
Yes, that includes leviticus 20:13
Gay genocide now

No you have to be a bad goy to get into heaven

>>136652834
There is no good or bad for the saved.

>Catholics literally translate the Bible
>carry on an unbroken tradition for 1500 years
>autistic Germans invent the printing press
>an autistic German spergs out against the church
>muh sola scriptura
>muh bible doesn't say anything about a pope
>muh KJV only
>muh personal relationship with Jesus
>muh Christian Rock

fundies everyone

>>136653340
>what is baptism

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Why do the ten commandments exist if you don't even have to obey them to get into Heaven? Protestant cuck logic.

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>>136652512
>All Christians Are Cucks
http://archive.is/X8Tqk

>All Christians are Cucks #2
http://archive.is/iFGqR

>All Christians are Cucks #3
http://archive.is/J3Y6Z

>All Christians are Cucks #4
http://archive.is/pBMGf

>All Christians are Cucks #5
http://www.renegadetribune.com/christians-cucks-3/

>Cucktianity: What Is A Covenant
http://archive.is/Fdsxo

>Cuck Identity
http://archive.is/qQPMf

>Cuck Identity #2
http://archive.is/ICpaJ

>Indoctrination
http://archive.is/RgZOY

Synagogue of Satan debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLU6oms0j4o

>Why do people care about berating an increasingly irrelevant religion anyway?
Because they're not irrelevant. They actively fund and even run many of the boats coming from Africa to Europe.

http://www.savethechildren.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=8rKLIXMGIpI4E&b=9357115&ct=14921495

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-boat-rescue-charities-medicins-sans-frontieres-save-the-children-mediterranean-sea-migrants-a7699571.html

https://www.savethechildren.net/article/save-children-brings-300-refugees-and-migrants-safety-search-and-rescue-capacity

Steven Anderson on race-mixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz3ccSJtJXA
"Interracial Marriage" Baptist Preaching (independent, fundamental, KJV sermon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRCVeqvZKt4

>>136653732
The commandments came before Christ. The Gospels say you are saved by faith ALONE. It doesn't matter what you DO, it matters that you believe. Have fun eternally burning in hell for your sins, catholic.

All crisgians are gucks XDDDDDD
GRISDIANITY BTFO

>>136652512
Works are a reflection of faith, if you truly believe Jesus is the Word of God Incarnate and your Lord and Savior, yet continue to live contrary to the way he told us to, your faith is lacking.

>>136653732

why do the 10 commandments exist if you do not even keep them ? cathocuck logic

>>136653973
Ooh, sorry, the only place "faith alone" appears in the Bible is James 2:24 and is immediately preceded by "not by".

Try again protestigger

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>arguing about a dead kike on a stick

>>136652512
Every single time the Bible states what the basis for someone's eternal reward or punishment is, it's works.

One example:

>Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.

>by what they had done

Try to find a counter example. Protip: you can't.

Become Catholic.

>>136656916
Nobody who is saved has to follow the Commandments any more, they were only for the Jews of old. Now that we have faith in Christ such works of the law are not needed. The Roman Church denies faith, which is why they teach that one has to adhere to works of the law.

>>136657497
>Become Catholic.

why does it matter what faction you join if you believe in god and act the way the bible says to act?

>>136652512
>good person
you have to be baptized and in communion with the church and believe all its teachings. you have to know and love God and follow his commandments. flee from committing sins and trying to attain perfect holiness.

>>136657497
>Become Catholic
The true Sabbath is Saturday. Become Adventist.

>>136657840

why would an infinitely old being give a shit what day you praise him on

>>136657535

Thats where you are wrong


>9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


>keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

>>136658078
So then the 10 commandments don't matter?

>>136657497
The saved are not the dead but the living. Those are also raised up AFTER the millenium, which the saved live and rule with christ.

>>136658226

i believe 'the sabbath' is simply any day you choose to dedicate to worship and no work. whether its saturday or sunday doesn't really matter.

>>136652646
I wish I didn't like dicks desu

>>136657497
Also Coronthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

>>136658505

No its not its saturday it does not simply change , god rested the seventh day and made that day holy and so did we , there is not one verse in the bible about the 10 commandments changing they are forever

>>136658108
You've fallen for Roman lies.
Weep em' heretic.

KJV Romans 3:28
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

WITHOUT DEEDS OF THE LAW

>>136658851

ok senpai keep believing god is a fucking child who will send you for hell for going to church on the wrong day.

>>136658901

You have fallen for what faith really means

>>136658820
You can lose all your works when they are tested by fire but your faith is what saves you.

If it were works why did Jesus even have to come down live a perfect life and die?

How do you define a Gift? Do you take a gift back from your friend if you don't like what they do or didn't do?
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gift is very clear. You didn't earn it and you can't lose it.

>>136658901
What does that have to do with being able to enter the Kingdom?

Jesus commands us to do the *will* of the Heavenly Father.

>>136657751
If you believe in God the Father, believe in His Son also.

Christ is clear in Scripture that He would found a church that would not fail; a visible, hierarchical institution.

As a matter of history, only the Catholics and Orthodox can claim any sort of continuity with the church established by Christ in the first century; all of the Protestant sects are breakoffs that only exist from 1521 onward.

If you believe in Christ, trust Him when He said He would guide and protect HIC church.

It's not an invisible assembly of "true believers. "

are you guys just trying to justify being christian while at the same time being completely terrible people who spend a significant portion of their day on a website stewing in hatred?

>>136659106
The *will* is that you believe on his son whom he sent.

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>>136653340

>Catholics translate the bible from the common "koine greek" which everyone can read into shitty Vulgate Latin that misinterprets key parts of scripture

Nice!

>>136659318
How do you know if you've done enough good works or sinned little enough that you get saved?

Why is this difficult to understand.

We are saved by faith. The fact that God reached out to save a fallen race was entirely out of his mercy; we did not earn it. However, once saved, as a sign of true faith, Christians are to follow the commandments of God. There should be an inner, and then outward, transformation from a sinner to a Christian. If you call yourself Christian and yet continue to willfully sin, you're basically making mockery of the cross. You should mourn at the idea that your sins are why Jesus suffered.

There. That's all there is to say about faith vs. works.

>>136652512
https://www.youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

https://www.youtube.com/user/DrOakley1689

Good channels, hopefully they help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97k4z6Qe7JM&t=18s

A true Gospel presentation. Hopefully those who haven't heard watch, and those who have can share this.

>>136659507

Ding ding ding, /thread

>>136659082
He had to live a perfect life so that his righteousness might be imputed onto us. Also as an example for the Christian, who, once saved, CAN live a sinless life.

religion is a potent cancer that is binding the human race

when will we come to our senses and annihilate religious fools

>>136659349
James 2:19-20

>>136659346
As if Jesus never preached to the sinners?

>>136659024

Oh no lol he wont do that but you probably are no longer saved by faith but by the law and judged for every single thing you did in your life, if you break his commandments , i don' t go to church at all

>13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

>>136657840

The Jewish sabbath is Saturday; even in Scripture you can see that the disciples of Christ did not gather on the Sabbath, but the Lord's Day (Sunday)

>Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread…

This is a reference to the liturgy of the Lord's Supper, first day of the week not the Sabbath.

Saint Paul condemns sabbatarianism:

>Colossians 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Lastly why trust something that grew out of a failed prophecy? Look up the Great Disappointment and you will see why so many sects were invented at the end of the 1800s, SDA included.

>>136658435
It literally says "the dead were judged" you mong

>>136659808
>As if Jesus never preached to the sinners?

no, stop right there. the people that post in theses threads are the same ones that go right back to shitposting after they've had their fill of holiness. im convinced most people in this board simply larp as christians simply because christianity is unpopular with their peers.

i honestly believe that talking about religion and having 'christian generals' on this board is completely insulting to both god and christians.

>>136658901
You're making the same mistake Martin Loser did.

The "deeds of the Law" are obedience to the Law of MOSES. The biggest controversy wracking the early Church were the Judaizers, who said you had to be circumcised and obey the OT law to be saved. St. Paul says no, unambiguously. This is the subject of part of Romans, all of Galatians, and Acts through the council of Jerusalem (CH 15)

It doesn't mean you're saved while doing whatever you want, just that ots Christ, not Moses, you must obey.

>>136659507

This is what you will understand from reading the bible , and if not you are probably lost

The papists are just brainwashed by the cult of Mary. They are all Marxist fags and Mexicans these days.

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>>136659726
E D G E

>>136660169
I never post anything sinful, so. And I don't know what evidence you have that other Christians here do.

>>136659463
Latin was the language of the western empire at the time, and the Vulgate was a revision of the Old Latin which had more problems.

>>136659464
Be baptized. If you're conscious of having committed a mortal sin, go to confession.

Work for your salvation as if it all depended on you; pray as though it depended solely on grace (which it does.)

Above all trust in the mercy and providence of God.

Isn't this religious division among Christians exactly what the Jews want?

>>136659839
There is a lot to say about this. To keep it short, breaking of bread was not a special once a week event. And there are way more passages in Acts that have the apostles worshiping on the Sabbath.

And as for the Colossians passage, Paul is saying that the Mosaic (ceremonial) law was nailed to the cross, which included a number of special annual Sabbaths. The Decalogue was not nailed to the cross.

>>136659507
Indeed. The Catholic view is that we are saved on God's initiative, through grace alone, manifested by faith and good works which He has prepared for us.

>>136659349
Exactly. God wills that we rejoice in our sin, for it humbles us and brings us closer to Christ, because we know that only faith in Christ can save us, not being a good person. The unsaved will burn in hell for their sins because they haven't received Christ into their hearts.

>>136660313

1 John 3

>4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

>>136660646
Satan is glad that there is fighting among Christians. But he would be happier if we were all in agreement while on the wrong path.

You're saved or you're not, it's all pre-determined.

Here. Instead of posting scriptual passages back and forth like over and over like you've done 1000 times before, go to the wikipedia page on "sola fide" and look at these two sections:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide#Passages_used_to_defend_sola_fide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_fide#Passages_used_to_argue_against_sola_fide

There is an exhaustive list of passages, almost equal in length, used to attack and defend sola fide.
This, at worst, can be described as the Bible contradicting itself. Or at best, one entire list is to be taken metaphorically and in a broader context, while the other list in its entirety is meant to be taken at face value. If you defend one list, you have to explain the other.

It goes to show that in any case, you can't use the Bible to say whether sola fide is right or wrong because the Bible tells you two different things.
So drop all the passage sniping, because you are never going to win an argument like that.

>>136661042

Shit why the fuck did I hyphenate predetermined, I guess I'm going to hell.

>>136659839

When did jesus break bread ? on a sunday ? he never gave us a time for it he said do this to remember me by

>>136661042
Are you a Calvinist or an atheist?

>>136652512
Eh, pretty sure it's the opposite. Even Jesus said no person is good.

>>136653340
>you have to pay to get into heaven
>you are told what the Bible says instead of actually reading it for yourself
>all men are equal in gods eyes except for the pope and bishops and saints etc
>you pray to Mary

Get your head out of your ass nigga. God wants you to think not blindly follow Catholicism had way to many flaws pre Martin Luther

>>136653732
No one teaches this and if your church does its blasphemy. If you truly believe and have faith then you hold up the 10 commandments, if you don't hold up the 10 commandments then you don't truly believe.

Bless you

>>136661092
Agreed, but even more, the Bible never teaches Sola Scriptura.

For that matter, the table of contents isn't Scripture.

So, using only a book compiled by the Church, which book never says to use Scripture alone... Unwise.

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>>136652512
>You have to be a good person to get to heaven.

Sounds like a totally reasonable rule. Why the fuck would you want bad people in heaven desu?

>>136652512
I am sorry to tell you this my dear fellow, but heaven isn't real. God isn't real, and the metaphysical isn't real. The physical is all there is. Religion's only benefit, ever, was to instill the normies and masses with a modicum of proper behavior and values, because they were all scared shitless of either going to hell, or were convinced by fairytales like most normies are even today. Back then it was fairytales of the metaphysical kind, today it is fairytales of other kinds, such as "Trump works for Putin lolol". Now I await the deeply thought out responses that only religious people in their infinite wisdom are able to give, I speak of course of the "fedora rebuttal".

>>136661273

Sort of either. I'm fairly certain if there is a God he would already know who is going to be saved and who isn't since he knows everything.

I guess I'm an agnostic Calvinist, either way who cares, can't change anything.

>>136662022
Can you give me the evidence for God not being real?

>>136661965
Read a biography of the heresiarch Martin Luther.

He was incredibly bipolar, and had a form of... almost "spiritual OCD," where he would keep accusing himself of sin and inflating his minor foibles into damnable offenses. He would go to confession, but before he left the Church, turn around and confess again.

It's no wonder a man like that would invent the idea that you can get into Heaven even if you're still sinning; he couldn't find psychological comfort otherwise.

>>136662202
See, I don't believe God knows the future as a certainty. He knows it as a set of possibilities. He wasn't certain Satan would rebel, but he knew it could happen.

This is very clear in the Bible, as God reacts in time to the actions of humans, and changes his mind repeatedly. To avoid this, a Calvinist has to impose strange, intuitive readings to many verses.

>>136662726
Not intuitive*

>>136662289
Of course not, that is impossible. However, since you also cannot provide any evidence that he is real, the existence of god comes down entirely to faith. I don't have faith that god is real, and I see absolutely zero proof of any kind of godly intervention in the real world, that could be clearly attributed to something metaphysical that is, so there is no indirect physical evidence either. It literally comes down to whether or not you "want" to believe, or if you can somehow engage in so much self induced brainwashing that you begin to believe it anyways.

>>136662845
I see the fact that something, anything exists at all as very powerful evidence that God exists.

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>>136662726
that sounds like heresy sempai
God is all-knowing.

>>136663090
That isn't evidence at all, that's nothing more than you choosing to believe that things exist because of god. Its an opinion, nothing more. An entirely unsubstantiated opinion.

>>136662726

i belief god created a game with multiple choices but the game will always have the same ending the second comming , right now he is just playing it

all of you protestatns need to become catholic so we can unify and have cultural impact on the world
we can't become protestant because you have too many different denominations and they're all so small

>>136663113
You must accept that you have no free will, then.

I agree, God knows all that can be known. But the future cannot be known with certainty. It doesn't exist yet.

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>>136662726
Well then he isn't all-powerful if he isn't all-knowing. He's just a more powerful being and being more powerful doesn't make you worthy of worship, I wouldn't worship advanced aliens if they came to Earth.

>>136663113
Also this, most Christians would scoff at the idea of God having limits.

>>136663433
he is the alpha and omega and Jesus said only the father knew when the end would come

>>136653340
No way you actually believe that. You can't be that ignorant.

" St." Augustine permanently perverted Catholic doctrine in the 4th Centuey. That's just 1 guy. Thanks for all the CryptoJews and your retarded validation of them.


www.theZOG.info/list-summaries

>>136663297
It's a metaphysical question. There needs to be a non-physical source for the existence of everything physical. It's a question that science cannot ever answer.

>>136663554
how did st Augustine pervert christianity? a lot of judaizers cite him but only because in his time europeans didn't know about the jews or the talmud, so he tends to speak of them more kindly than his successors do.

>>136663457
God knows all that can be known. The future doesn't exist and cannot be known.

We don't worship God because of his power or knowledge, we worship because he created us.

>>136653340
>>136653732
>>136657083
Papists, please go (back to a third-world, Roman Catholic cesspool).

>>136663691
>There needs to be a non-physical source for the existence of everything physical.
Why?

>>136663542
Yes. By that Jesus meant that it would be the Father's decision as to when enact the end of the world.

>>136652512
>All you need to do to get saved is believe in Jesus and ask for salvation.
>Also, all Catholics are going to hell
>As are the Orthodox
>And probably most baptists too
>Also, atheists and gays can’t be saved, don’t even bother

>>136663691
>There needs to be a non-physical source for the existence of everything physical.
No there doesn't. Again, this is just a claim you are making, and it is not substantiated by anything, not even logic. It is a baseless assumption. There is no reason to assume that the physical universe needed a metaphysical beginning. And there is also the possibility that the universe is eternal, and is simply contracting and expanding over huge spans of time. Therefore the big bang wasn't a creation event but simply one of innumerate expansion events, following one of an infinite amount of contractions. Just like the universe is still expanding today, eventually it may stop and reverse, then reach a tiny point, then re-start the process anew. But let us assume for a second that you are right, that there was a metaphysical cause, well that's all there is to it then. I could admit right now that there was a metaphysical cause, it would still leave me practically atheistic because there is no evidence of this metaphysical cause ever being evolved in any way with the world past its creation, nor is it proof that we ourselves are nothing but entirely physical, and it is certainly not logical to go from this very simple assumption to believing the intricate fairytales woven by man, aka religions.

Did cavemen go to heaven or hell? Serious question for Christfriends.

>>136664062
You can keep pushing back the creation of the universe via physical reactions as far as you want. For instance, scientists could come up with a physical reason for why the singularity was there before the big bang.

But that reason would be a physical one, and so we have to again go back and find the origin of that event. It needs to stop eventually and it can only stop if the first cause is not bound by physical laws.

>>136658778
bet youd like heroin, doesnt mean you should do it
faggot

>>136664312
Okay, but why is this cycling universe here? Who put it here?

I just find that the whole premise of Protestantism has already been disproven.

The premise is that the Catholic Church is far removed from early Christianity, and Protestantism is about trying to bring Christianity back to how it was before Nicea by gleaning information from the Bible.

And sure, that would have been a believable premise back in 1500s Europe. No one was sure at all how the people immediately after Jesus' ministry worshipped for sure.

But things are different now. Advances in archeology and history have made it more clear how the early Christians worshipped. And, as it turns out, the Catholic Church has actully done a pretty good job of preserving that tradition.
Excavating Christian tombs shows frescos indicating early Christian veneration of Mary.
One of the earliest catechism ever discovered, the Didache, which was written within a lifetime of Jesus' ministry, seems to indicate things like the early Christians believing in the supernatural properties of the Eucharist and Confession, and believed in Sunday worship.
The epistles of Clement, which were only a hair away from being included in the Bible proper, indicated that there were a heirarchy of Priests and Bishops.

Even today, Protestants still try to convince people in the face of all this evidence that Catholicism was tainted with Paganism after Nicea, but that is simply not true.
For all its faults, Catholicism is the closest religion to the religion of the Apostles.

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>>136663913

That God would be limited by lineal time really does diminish him. The future not existing for him implies he only exists moment to moment like a human.

>We don't worship God because of his power or knowledge, we worship because he created us.
Well that's not a good reason either, I don't worship my parents.

>>136652646
We don't want your gold.

>>136664524
If it is cyclical then nobody had to put it here. Your question doesn't make sense anymore than asking "who made god?" If god exists then he is eternal and has never been made but always has been. The cyclical universe theory basically makes god unnecessary even in any kind of "first cause" sense, because it takes his place as simply the "thing" that always has existed and always will exist.

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>>136664011
send them to norkland instead

>>136664399

If it is beyond our understanding it is beyond our understanding. Saying it must be a God or any other metaphysical agent is just speculation.

Anything before time and space probably is out of our grasp because our entire existence is bound by time and space. If there is anything that "exists" outside of time and space, like a God, then it might as well not exist because it literally has the same definition as non-existence.

>>136664628
You should honor your father and mother for that very reason. And who created your parents? Their parents? If we go back far enough to God, he is the ultimate cause of our existence.

God being in time only diminishes him if you want it to.

>>136664863
I understand, but why does it exist? Why does something exist rather than nothing?

>>136664979
It's beyond our understanding only if we have a materialist worldview. In which case you have to simply be satisfied with never knowing the answer.

>>136665011

My parents have my respect because they raised and nurtured me not because they created me. If God is raising and nurturing us as a species that's one thing, but I don't see it or feel it or whatever.

>God being in time only diminishes him if you want it to.

Well it does. Again he is presented as an all powerful being. Him being bound by the laws of time is very diminishing and really throws his "godhood" into question.

>>136665278

Which is fine by me, I just don't like people saying they know the answer.

>>136665135
This is a pointless question. You cannot ask why something eternal exists, whether it be god or an eternal physical universe. The two are equivalent in this respect, in that they simply ARE and always WILL BE. I find the eternal physical universe theory to be far more likely because it requires less assumptions than the existence of god. We already know a physical universe exists, scientists don't actually know how it's going to turn out in ten trillion years or beyond that, there is nothing in the laws of physics that has explicitly ruled out the big bang-big crunch cycle yet, so it is entirely plausible. God requires assumption of the existence of an entirely unproven metaphysical mode of being.

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>>136653732
I still haven't got a good answer yet on how Ehepsians 2:8-9 supports you needing to do works.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>in b4 James 2 dead faith
Yeah its dead because its non-productive, but not non-existent. Faith is for Jesus, works are for mankind. Men can't see our faith so they understand us by our works. Dead faith is still faith.

please also see next post

>>136665401
Jesus very clearly states that our lives are sustained by God. I don't know what feeling you'd need to feel literally all the time to believe this.

Existing outside of time is completely illogical. (And while we're here, God can't make a square circle, either). God speaks to angels, and you cannot form a sentence or even a thought unless you're in time.

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>>136665961
"saved through faith" well it looks like you don't have to do any works. "gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you don't need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(see John 6:38-40 for the Father's will)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It looks like those people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off.
Looks like relying on your works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven

>>136665551
I don't know the answer. I'm just following the evidence, which to me suggest that a materialist worldview doesn't hold up.

Sounds pretty logical to me

>>136662545
Yes Goy Luther was bipolar don't read that book he wrote about Jews.

>>136652512
>doing things that cause suffering do not cause suffering
Protestants actually believe this.

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>>136652512
>live my life as a completely amoral piece of shit, killing and raping everywhere I go
>but I say I'm sorry and that I believe in Jesus, so therefore I get to go to heaven :^)
This is what protestants ACTUALLY believe.

I do like Anderson though. Good guy.

>>136660806
Funny last I checked the Roman Church said salvation only though comes through it.

>>136664459
I can be happy without heroin or any other drug, but being with a woman brings no happiness or pleasure to me. I've tried "praying the gay away", I've tried counseling, I've tried self-flagellation but nothing ever helps. I like living too much to attempt suicide.
I just want to find someone to be happy with, but I can't bring myself to like women.
Do you expect me to live alone? Does God? Do you think that He cares about what goes in or out of your asshole? He created the universe. He probably doesn't care if you eat pork, drink alcohol, have gay sex, rape, murder, etc etc. He is omnipotent, do you think he'd even give a shit what we do? Judging by just how massive our universe is, do you think we're his prized children? Look at the world around you and ask yourself if you really believe we're the best he can do.
If you ask me, God was either drunk or just very angry when he made us.
If God expects me to be unhappy, bitter and alone for my entire life just because I was promised happiness in the end of it all, then He must be a playing some sick joke on me. I don't believe God to be evil and I don't believe He even cares about what any of us does. There are billions of humans, what we do individually doesn't matter even in our own lives, why would it matter to God? If he didn't like what he saw, he could just obliterate us all. He didn't do that yet, so we must be either doing something very right or He just doesn't care. All in all, anyway the river takes me doesn't matter to me. I'll live my life to it's fullest and if God decides he'll punish me for it, then be it. I'll be expecting him to make good on his promise and make me wish I didn't sin as much as I do. And I will and I currently do regret it all, believe me.

>>136652512
Sola Scriptura and muh grace by faith alone are two of the worst memes to come out of Christianity.

The reformation was the beginning of a move toward radical individualism -- hence the millions of heretical denominations that have sprung up everywhere.

Catholics (Roman and Orthodox) are much better options because they believe in the tradition of the church, and they also tend to be much more intellectually satisfying than suburban and rural fundamentalist retards.

>>136663453
50 percent isn't enough

also that 37% is shattered into like 37 1% pieces of little shit churches who all think they know better

join the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic faith bro

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>>136662545
>It's no wonder a man like that would invent the idea that you can get into Heaven even if you're still sinning;
Martin Luther didn't come up with that though. Jesus did.
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
>36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
>4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
>5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
>7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
>8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

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>>136666239
You can but God will probably kill you though.
Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

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>>136666341
Sorry we put the word of God before the word of man.

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>>136666413
Most of them are larde denoms like Lutheran, Baptist, methodist, prepertyrian, and petecistal. Most if them are closely related and other little ones (30,000 meme) have only like 30 followers so thise don't count.

Also
>Cuckolic church
>holy

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>>136666163
God still punishes you for sinning retard and you also punish your self.

The issue of catholicism vs protestantism mainly boils down to one of power. Should we have an organized top-down body governing the religion?

I'd argue we should. I see the debate in the same context as a normal person arguing that hierarchies are a natural part of a functioning society, vs the marxists (as an extreme example) arguing that we should get rid of all hierarchies and have everyone be "truly equal".

In spirit, I get the problems people have with the catholic church. But I see the problems of having a central authority as being a lesser evil. Having a structured religion allows the religion to stand relatively firm throughout the ages. Meanwhile, a lot of the protestant sects have gone full retard, with the northern/european protestants being in favor of fag marriage, all-around degeneracy, and the "hippie jesus" mindset, whereas the southern evangelicals have formed into this bizarre israel-cucking shit. It's a lot easier to subvert these churches when they don't have any firm doctrine to stand on. Anyone being able to interpret the bible for themselves and being just as valid as anyone else is what leads to this. These people find ways for the bible to justify fags and trannies, for fucks sake.

>>136666809
No. There is no "we" in protestantism -- there is no church either. It's all radical, religious individualism. You people believe whatever you wish, and interpret the Bible in whatever way you can to accommodate that.

>>136667472
Exactly the problem. Anyone being able to interpret the bible for themselves means that everyone will have their own special snowflake bullshit.

There are problems in the catholic church, especially with the new marxist pope, but overall, the catholic church has stood pretty firmly on its doctrine. And it's done this because it's an organized body.

When you have individualism, You do get a few good people like Steven Anderson, but you also get a fuckton of people who cherrypick the bible to promote SJW bullshit. All these people find whatever way they want to use the bible for their own plots.

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>>136667337
Do you serioisly think the catholoc church hasn't changed in 2000 years?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qX9dn1l4d8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrVCdtJ1WQ

>>136667472
Just every single protestant just follows the Bible. They may have people teach them the wrong thing by accident but they almost always would need to hear at least some scripture for you to back yoir claims.

>>136667795
No, but it's been much more resistant to change. That's my point.

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>>136667689
>but overall, the catholic church has stood pretty firmly on its doctrine
see >>136667795

alsovproddies are more right wing than cathlodox

>>136667936
There are SJWs who use Galatians 3:28 to argue that race and gender are social constructs and not real. Just look at any of the protestant churchs in the north or in europe and see what they're like. Absolute cuckfests.

>>136667967
Then the catholic church is The True Church Of God^tm like they claim because Jesus doesn't ever change.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

pretty mich no protestant church claims they are 100% right on everything loke catholocs do

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>>136668107
Catholics are more likely to be SJWs though. And most likely there are actually just like pic related and haven't actually read the entire Bible.

>>136668233
isn't*

>>136668053
That's not even 2016.

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>>136652512
Also cisidering the only good person is God.
Luke 18:19King James Version (KJV)
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Romans 3
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

>>136668792
this one doesn't distinguish mexicans from white catholics

>>136668736
This one shows mainline protestants being worse than catholics

>>136668680
This one isn't from 2016

Here's the real data:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
Both white catholics and protestants voted Trump ~60%.

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Never understood why protestants didn't become Orthodox.
>>136668053
It probably has more to do with Mexicans than Catholics.

>>136669288
>This one shows mainline protestants being worse than catholics
That doesn't say white mainline protestant though like how it says white catholic.

Both are still rightwing

>>136666139
A broken clock is right twice a day;)

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>>136669460
>Never understood why protestants didn't become Orthodox.
You guys are much better than cuckolicks but you still go to hell and don't follow the Bible
>>136665961
>>136666025

>>136669585
Correct. Because he was right about faith alone salvation.

>>136669711
and the jews

>>136669736
Shame all the modern protestants didn't follow his lead, because they all worship israel now.

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>>136669913
Sadly that's true. We need more people to watch Marching to Zion
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8

>>136670095
Great documentary. Really good for redpilling people on the talmud and how kikes worship moloch

>>136652512
Jesus kind of did away with the Sabbath, and He also did not.

Jesus is kind of complicated to understand, not unlike God Himself.

He said it's not a big deal to break the Sabbath, but He also said to keep to the Commandments.

There are places in The Bible that say you are saved through Faith alone and not by your works, but in another place it says Faith without works is dead Faith (implying if you have Faith, you should be doing works).

The truth is somewhere between the contradictions. Christ died for us because we fail, not because we succeed. Thus, it's "ok" to fail, but it's also not good to fail. It's like a dad that bails you out of jail and forgives you, and will keep bailing you out of jail and keep forgiving you. It's not necessarily good on your part, but the debts have been paid. As long as you believe on the Father, and also The Son.

>>136670454
>faith without works is dead means you aren't saved
no goy

Yeah its dead because its non-productive, but not non-existent. Faith is for Jesus, works are for mankind. Men can't see our faith so they understand us by our works. Dead faith is still faith.

>>136670635
That was my point, my fellow goy.

>>136669659
Orthodox Christians martyred for their church, they made Christianity what it is and put the bible together you cherish so much. Judge a tree by its fruit. I see only decline with Protestantism.

>>136671036
You goys don't even follow the Bible.

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>>136652512
Problem?

>>136671555
It's traditions older than the new testament. Jesus didn't left a scripture, he left apostles whose traditions live on and that led to the birth to the scripture. You only have a text, like removing the pictures of a movie and only keeping the subtitles.

>>136671036
lol I love when Catholics talk about all the amazing things they did before the split ever happened. Ideological "Protestants" were still part of Catholicism when you put the Bible together. It's sticking with the Bible that forced the split, because Catholic leadership started deviating from the book.

>decline with Protestantism.

There is honestly no such thing as a Protestant. There is no centralized Protestant Church. Find a better way to deflect.

>>136672195
>It's traditions older than the new testament.
So basically... Paganism. Literal things that The Bible says not to do, like how you guys make statues of Mary and bow before it in prayer.

>>136665961
>Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I think the principle reasoning there is that you don't earn your way into heaven. It has to be based on your indwelling adherence to Christ.

However, works will naturally follow such a faith and so the dichotomy is essentially false. The scripture does not subscribe to this dichotomy either, if you accept my interpretation.

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>>136672195
The Bible is God's word. Cathlodox even agree on that. Also both churches(especially catholic church) have changed since they were founded. Also the NT was written by the apostles. Wven if you don't think the Biblebis the only authority it should be the highest.

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>>136672476

>>136652512

The shills confirmed that the dox of Anon5 was a false flag.

>>136672461
I think I can phrase it even more succinctly.

Works can exist without faith, but faith does not exist without works. You aren't saved by the works, you are saved by the faith, but works are intrinsic to faith. Atheists can do works and hate God, for instance, but their works are empty. Therefore, faith is superior.

>>136672793
Usually works follow if you have faith but not always like if the guy is lazy.

The thing most proddies and catholicks tend to miss, is that Jesus's entire message was about working on the heart rather than legalistically following rules or saying a magic word. Jesus bridged the gap between God and man, and our entire purpose of life is theosis, internalizing and reflecting the love of God in our lives

>>136672946
Yeah, considering the NT largely consists of letters exhorting congregations to do their best it probably wouldn't get so granular with its details and exceptions to general rules.

But clearly if you have faith, you will act on it in whatever form you are called to. If you don't act on it, you don't have faith. I'm thinking broadly in terms of action. Not necessarily stuff like going to jails or whatever since that is largely contextual. Who doesn't know about Christianity now? I'd argue there are more practical uses of your time and energy than that now.

It trips me out that people even debate something so simple.

>>136652512
you have to be a good person to ascend the 3rd density. you can get to "heaven" as you believe it to be but it's not the place you think it is.

>>136672332
It's venetration and adoration not worship and it's old as the church itself. Are you worshipping your mother if you hug her?

What defines a good person?

>muh Bible!

It says to be kind to people... but just an hour ago you were talking about wanting to genocide the blacks. Isn't that the opposite of kind?

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>>136673045
wow you arent a protestant or a catholic

tell me more

>>136673237
no i didnt

genocide blacks ppl are unsaved

u cant create a white earth with everyone else dead

those people think thats the end goal of life to get another hitler and actually do that

leeeeeeeeeeeeel

although i still consider myself racist in some ways........... as in prefering to be around whites and azns

>>136672476
You abandon the church Christ founded and presume to know a better way. None of the Church's teachings on faith and morals have changed, the same cannot be said for the hundreds of thousands splinter groups of protestanism.

Christianity is a jewish weapon. They destroyed white religions to impose a central religion based on their own that could be used to control us. If you are Christian then you are willingly enslaving yourself to the jew.

>>136673218
>It's not worship if we don't call it worship!

>>136673237
The Bible also talks about war and invasion and building a wall for your nation and also not mixing in with people of low character, lest you become more like them.

>>136673984
Jews hate Christianity though and suppress it. That must mean it's good.

>>136653396

A sacrament

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>morality is a social construct

the reddist pill you'll ever digest anon

>>136673984

Christianity IS Western Civilisation.

>You have to be a good person to get to heaven
b-but that's wrong

>>136652512
>reads bible
>And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
>For great is the LORD and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the peoples are idols, But the LORD made the heavens.
>For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
>proceeds to worship a man in the flesh

>>136674703
jesus is the god in old testament the entire time tho lel

>>136674703

>DUDE WHAT IS THE HOLY TRINITY LMAO

>>136674433
Veritably untrue.

>>136674956
>>136675035
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>catholics read the NIV version

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>>136675164
Catholics don't read the King James Version of the bible, that is all you should need to know to understand that their leaders are Luciferians. If you are catholic and want to worship properly then join a real church, the path is narrow, you think all the fake christians are going to heaven? Think again. Most of them have sinned worse than those without any faith.

>>136675368

>Catholics don't read the Protestant/Freemason-edited version of the Bible!!!

>>136675530
It's good for everyone faggot. They even translated the aprocrypha

>>136675530
>catholics read the bible

You're right I fucked up

>proddies believe repentance is baptism or some other nonsense

>>136675530
The (((New York Bible Society))) (now Biblica) was selected to do the translation. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978.

The NIV bible is literally a blue pill

>>136652512

Christians are not just cucks they are traitors. You eliminate the traitors before your enemy.

>>136676279

I don't give a fuck, I use the French-language Jerusalem Bible

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>>136676395
I'd rather not .

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>>136652646
>>136652512

>You have to follow Jesus/God and the Bible to get to heaven.
>Yes, that includes leviticus 20:13

"This statement is 100% the word of God and you are guilty of treason against God if you disagree with this statement." - Signed, Me

Retards... Glory to Kek!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kNJxuBCM9k

>>136676472

They have English translations of it too, you know

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>>136676626
Nah I'd still rather not.

>>136657497
Literally about the "dead". Those who were to be thrown in the lake. The Bible clearly states two judgements occur:

The Judgement Seat of Christ and The Great White Throne.

The first are for believers to be "judged" in the Greek sense of judging an athlete that has completed his race. The race has been completed. You get the sticker to put on your car but do you get the gold? Doesn't truly matter if you're in does it? Not saying not to strive for this, but Bible clearly states works cannot get you into heaven

>Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

The Great White Thrown is the last reckoning of those without Christ. The order of events show that the dead in Christ are already in heaven at this time, all other believers are with him after the final battle, and the beast is cast into the lake of fire.

tldr; You don't get saved through works and Christians aren't present at the great white throne judgement. Stated so clearly that even a Catholic can read it (if your (((pope))) allows it).