H-1B A NET GAIN

>>136629598
Are those the same VISAs Trump used to hire foreign workers for the maralago this week? Yeah, sorry but I knew that Miller was another typical jew.

>>136629598
I oppose the H1b visas. I actually oppose all work visas.

Only reason someone should come to a country is because he invests north of 1 million and creates 20 long term jobs. Otherwise, no mas. This goes for marriages with foreigners too.

That supposed $1400 gain goes to the employers of H-1bs, not the average person.

>>136629777
With his new country cap removal, Trump wants to give green cards to poos without limiting them to 7% of the EB green cards.

Trump has done absolutely nothing on H1bs apart from an executive order to investigate them and tell him if theres anything wrong with them, though he said something about opposing them in the debates. The investigation turned up data that they actually help.

>>136629777
This argument makes me laugh because it sounds like you want him to correct that problem and btfo h1b.

indians end up destroying the company and the company goes out of business. There's like 500 companies that were taken over by indians and ALL of them went out of business

anyone who outsources to them will have their company ruined OR will have to hire white knight American consultants to fix the mess they've created.

alot of companies are bailed out by these dumb white knight goys who fix the failed systems created by pajeet

these white knights who keep the company afloat are usually then fired for multicultural reasons

>>136629967
The article uses extra per capita GDP growth, efficiency, labor market freedom to account for it. Remember, H1bs increase the supply of engineers, so more innovation happens. Those "65,000" mediocre engineers who didn't get a job paying 200k didn't just stop being engineers, they worked for 150k while producing things. As a result, more people produced things for the same price and thus Americans as a whole gained as they gained greater access to technology to boost their human capital.

You would understand that if you read the report.

Stop using socialist tier economics.

>>136629814
Lol why?

A scientist/engineer is much more useful in the long run than an immediate investor, especially if the investor is investing in the housing market (the chinese).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fod_ADpgVo
>tfw your employer replaces you with an unskilled H1B Indian and forces you to teach them how to do your job before you're allowed to take your severance money
BUT HEY, HE MADE $1400 APPARENTLY, LET'S KEEP THOSE IMMIGRANT SCABS COMING!

>>136629598
>Yes, you native workers lose out on it
>but you're tiny and insignificant fuck you let me exploit this country
Fuck off pajeet.
H-1B fraud is so bad that Microsoft and Amazon hired entire departments to investigate it.

>>136630319
Fuck unemployment rates amiright?

>>136629598
Visas and work permits are a form of unfair competition, which is
1) illegal
2) not in the interest of the citizen
3) favors corporations and the rich
4) disrupts the free market forces of offer and demand in the workforce
5) lowers american interest for getting into [x] profession because its zerg rushed by 80 IQ immigrants/illegals paid under the table

American jobs belong to americans, thats basic public administration 101.

>>136629598
H-1B Visas are Americas tool to literally Brain-drain the rest of the world. Only a complete moron would oppose them.

>>136629598
I have it on good authority that the Obamacare system that failed when the floodgates were first opened was made by the Indian branch of CGI...

obamacare system launch failure caused by poojeets was major news here and entirely exposed the h1b scam and hindu IT supremecy b.s

the whole H1B pyramid scam was devised by globalists as part of their race replacement scheme, it has nothing to do with worker shortage, skills shortage, or other smoke screen excuses

it is a corporate migrant smuggling scheme, as implemented with the migrant refugee scheme

the soros/globalists destroy everything


CGI Group, Firm That Botched Obamacare Site, Gets $4.87M Extension

http://investorplace.com/2014/02/cgi-group-contract-extension-obamacare-accenture/

>>136630222
Why don't you name 10 of them? If there's 500 ones, 10 of them with a combined market capitalization of over 10 billion dollars should be easy shouldn't it?

Oh wait.

Under Indian CEOs Market capitalization for Google Doubled. Market Cap and revenues for microsoft increased much more than under the white CEO.

Also, the report is based on statistics and evidence.

It's not economically feasible or rational for a company like Google to hire "pajeets" just because they are multicultural.

If so, they would just hire black people.

>>136629598
>for the average american
You mean for the kike who owns the company?

>>136630307
>A scientist/engineer is much more useful in the long run than an immediate investor, especially if the investor is investing in the housing market (the chinese).

People should stay where they are. It makes no sense to import people. Better to invest in your own people.

Now go away, race mixer.

>>136630511
British Airways blames outsourced IT jobs in India for system failure and cancellations

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/after-it-outage-british-airways-union-blames-outsourced-it-jobs-in-india-for-problem/articleshow/58874334.cms


Only seems appropriate for a truly third world company to use third world resources.

>>136629598
>H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American
Bull.
Fucking.
Shit.

>>136630319
Are you retarded? The employer isn't the one making 1400, it's the average American. So 300,000,000 times 1400 = the average yearly productivity increase attributed to H1bs. Roughly 500 billion dollars worth of economic impact.

>>136630440
Yes, 65000 people matter less than $5000 per average household, no matter how special you think you are.

Also, you still get a job, just a less paying one.

>>136630452
Unemployment in tech is the lowest of any sector.

>>136630502
It's in the interest of every citizen except the citizen competing against said labor. In this case, 65,000 people who lose out on potential wage differentials.

American jobs belong to the employers. Policy should be decided on what benefits Americans as a whole the most (utilitarianism) not what benefits a certain special interest group (mediocre tech workers).

>>136630508
Yes.

>>136630511
Obamacare was designed by a Canadian company

Nothing to do with H1b.

Know what you're talking about.

>>136630533

see >>136630695 >>136630511

Here's an entire website by a guy who knows tech Pajeets better than anyone

http://techinsurgent.com/post/2012/04/01/CIOCOM-Indian-Prgrammers-Are-Dumb-Cant-Innovate-or-Communicate.aspx

Tech companies have all turned to shit since poos took over.

Microsoft, mobile is dead, server is losing ground, cloud is miles behind, gaming is being beaten by the fucking japs.

Google, no new innovation since 2013, Android is getting *worse*, cloud services are crashing, the shine has gone from this once great company.

Nokia, fucking tanked. Well done poo in loo. You killed the worlds largest mobile company.

Adobe, in the worst position they've ever been, in their entire history.

Face it, once Indians become CEOs of the worlds greatest tech companies, those companies circle the drain. Indians are a useless bunch of cunts and they ruin anything they touch.

Indians are literally ruining the tech industry with their incompetence, I've seen it first hand.


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/toys-r-us-brings-temporary-foreign-workers-to-us-to-move-jobs-overseas.html?_r=0

>>136630319
>toys r us
>brings over indians on h1b
>forces current employees to be shadowd by indians
>indans take notes of every move
>they follow american employees everywhere, even to the bathroom
>americans are instructed to show indains how to do their jobs
>if americans refuse they are fired on the spot
>those who cooperate are allowed employment for an extra month
>indains finish with their notes
>indians return to india
>americans fire
>building and assets liquidated
>toys r us has indians do the jobs in india for pennies on the dollar.

>>136630307
>H1bs increase the supply of engineers, so more innovation happens
That would be great if it was used as intended. The problem is it's not. See:
>>136630319
H1B is supposed to be for filling jobs nobody currently in the US is able to fill. In reality it gets used to lay off US citizens who can do the job so they can be replaced by much cheaper immigrant labor. So no, you're not getting a bunch of extra geniuses, you're getting a bunch of desperate questionably skilled immigrants who are willing to do the job that was already getting done for a fraction of the cost.

>>136631089
Archived that

>https://nytimes com/2015/09/30/us/toys-r-us-brings-temporary-foreign-workers-to-us-to-move-jobs-overseas.html?_r=0
https://archive.is/FRFmU

(((((((((((Research))))))))))) sheckles for kikes

>>136630570
Average American as in the average household which gains from greater access to technology to improve its capital.

>>136630609
Unless you have an autistic political and racial preference it makes no sense.

>>136630695
What does this have to do with the H-1b? You have no evidence that a person securing a H-1b here has anything to do with the people who designed British Airways' website. People who work for H1bs here are hired for Google, Amazon and Microsoft.

>>136630761
That's what statistics actually show. Unless you can debate that instead of denying it like a leftist, there is zero reason I (a policy employee for an anti immigration Republican congressman, who is already in the minority for his support of the RAISE Act but wants it to double employment based migration) should listen to you.

>>136631028
H1Bs aren't used to bring in better engineers or skilled workers. They are used to lower the wages of others for the people who have to pay for such services. My cousin worked as a placement specialist for Tata. He received a complaint about a currynigger looless poo machine and checked his degrees. Yep, uncertified diploma mill paid for by Tata, who charges the little bastard they placed with a US company a monthly fee on top of a cut of his salary. My cousin was actually told that the biggest issue was that too many curries with real degrees would not allow Tata or another consultancy to 'manage their placements' and the ones who did often, 'become informed and act on their legal rights'. He quit and started coding again. His own father called him a traitor for helping you wood-skinned pagan wobblenecking puppets into the country.

You are literally rent-a-niggers that went to slave schools. Your only purpose to is to take a title you did not earn, suck at it, be paid poorly, and act as a sinkweight on your US-born peers.

As for the H1Bs who studied in the United States and stayed on with graduate H1Bs, it's time they went home, too. The United States is not your home. Now it is time to GTFO. Of course, there are more direct remove curry methods, like that guy in Kansas. I personally cannot wait to see H1B cancellation come next, and humiliating curry-removal charters. The tears in tech and in Hyderabad will be delicious.

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>>136629598
Eat shit, retard.

Those are AMERICAN jobs being taken by shitskin pajeets

>>136631028
You're still arguing for a shitty thing for the American citizen.
Placing gold above home. Placing wealth before well being.
No, I'm glad Trump is going to come down hard of all you pajeet fraudulent fucks. So many of you have fake degrees and you know fuck all compared to the American workers you are replacing. It's completely out of control and I'll be happy to see some of you faggots deported.

>>136629598
It's a net loss. Don't delude yourself. We're so sick of brown skin people in America.

>>136629598

In sum: "american engineers are all shit and poos are worth more".

No. What happens is that foreigners are willing to work for less faggot. And theres no such thing as a net gain given that most work for the private sector.

Said research returned you a value which is advertised by the employers. Ofc they say that! They and the lobbied politicians. They would rather have two engineers working for the same price as one, even if the native is better, not to mention that the added competition lowers their demand, effectively saving them money and lowering their wages.

Nice try.

>poo in the loo

>>136631422

There's a wonderful Silicon Valley tall tale I like to tell.

Once upon a time, there was a Yapoo in gayland.

Yapoo decided that the best way to make more money was to keep making their product just as it is, but to cut down on prices as much as they could. So they got rid of all of the developers, and engineers, and coders, and operators, and replaced them with cheap labor from India. Unfortunately, Indians are stupid, and useless, and never admit when they did something wrong, and will push blame onto anyone or anything else as soon as suspicion has arisen.

And even worse? The Indians would gang up together and push outsiders out, constantly pinning everything on them until they were fired or quit. And when they got into positions of powers at companies, those departments soon became entirely Indian.

Yapoo quickly began losing money, and they didn't know why. "But India promised they'd be just as good!" they cried, as their company, once as strong as Boogle's, crumbled before them amidst an ocean of curry scented poo.

>>136631395
This just means you can't debate my point.

>>136631089
What does this have to do with anything?

Google's market capitalization and revenues have nearly doubled since 2013.

It has innovated massively in AI, Cloud and ML. All of which have processed 3200 H-1b apps in the past 3 years.

Microsoft has been gaining market cap since it's Indian CEO took hold.

You can't just keep making claims which are blatantly false.

ToysRUs by bringing in H1bs, even in the "worst" case scenario helps americans by reducing toy prices for working class households and the cash flow within the US. Remember a majority of H1b holders' incomes is spent in the US. The only people who lose are mediocre programmers who want more than they are worth.

>>136631121
H1bs are "supposed" to is a bullshit argument. The law states non displacement is unnecessary for wages over $60k. H1bs are there to complement the American workforce and improve producitivity, improving the lives of Americans as a whole. They do exactly that. The point of policy is to help all your constituents, not a minority that is so small that it counts less than 65k in size.

>>136631783
>>136630222
>>136630533

Countless companies destroyed - Sun Microsystems, compeltely gutted by poos and sold to Oracle for a pittance, Adobe (original photoshop team canned, POOs can't improve on code written in the early versions), IBM (Indial Bowel Movement - 1B failure in Texas), many such examples.

>>136631725

>*saving employers money and lowering engineers wages

>>136630695
Was poor quality from India's Tata behind crash of Navy F/A-18 jet?

usnews.msnbc.msn.com/.../11057385-navy-jet-crashes-in-virginia-beach-hitting-apartment-buildings

Emergency crews had extinguished fires and were searching for victims at a cluster of apartments in Virginia Beach, Va., Friday after a Navy F/A-18 jet crashed into the complex, destroying two buildings and damaging several others, authorities and witnesses said.

www.informationweek.com/.../229212834
According to Boeing, the agreement's intent is to "develop new supply sources throughout the Indian manufacturing and engineering communities for both commercial and defense applications." Boeing stated outright that it plans to outsource work on the Navy's F/A 18 Super Hornet to its Indian joint venture.
www.boeing.com/.../080214a_nr.html

CHICAGO, Feb. 14, 2008 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] and Tata Industries Limited of India have agreed on a plan to form a joint-venture company that will initially include more than US$500 million of defense-related aerospace component work in India for export to Boeing and its international customers.

[...]

In the first phase of the agreement, Boeing would potentially issue contracts for work packages to the joint-venture company involving defense-related component manufacturing on Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet for the U.S. Navy and Royal Australian Air Force, CH-47 Chinook and/or P-8 Maritime Patrol Aircraft. A research and development center for advanced manufacturing technologies is also contemplated.

>>136631931
I work for Metro trains melbourne. Once upon a time they outsourced our recruitment to Hoban (a job seeking and job agency company).
It was a massive mistake, as they corrupted the process and their Pajeet manager would accept bribes of 10's of thousands of dollars to put other poo's and their shitspray family members into positions.
I'm talking about placing someone who literally cannot speak English into an $85,000 a year job, and expecting nothing to go wrong.
After several customer complaints the staff members were stood down, and Hoban was audited. The head manager was convicted to 7 years imprisonment with 5 suspended. His other cohorts fled back to India.

It was a massive scandal back in the mid nauties

>>136629777
Those are J1s, which are used in resort areas to diversify it with exotic workers and on-demand labor during the tourist season.

>>136631931
>H1bs are there to complement the American workforce
>non displacement is unnecessary
Which is it?
Complement != Replace FYI

>>136630695
this reason why western civ is in decline. superior native talent and skill is being sacrificed and replaced with 3rd world diversity politics. instead of having flying cars and moon cities, you have broken apps and deteriorating infrastructure and services.


Britain was the most powerful IT nation in the world before India invaded and colonized its IT industry, and now your country is shit.

>>136629598
>$1400 for the average American
That's the total gain divided by the total population. In reality it's more like $1.4m for the (((average American)))

>>136631504
What you're saying means nothing. TATA is a foreign company which is doing business here and hence bringing in a net per capita income increase to the US. Why the hell should I discourage TATA from doing business here so that your cousin is helped and some "pagan" is harmed.

TATA helps more Americans, as a whole, than it harms.

Your argument is based on emotion and not reason. You are no different from a leftist crying foul because of gender differences caused by biology.

>>136631590
Jobs don't belong to anyone. But living standards can be improved and are improved for all Americans by this program.

>>136631612
No, it's better for American citizens AS A WHOLE. It' sbad for YOU, the mediocre coder.

Trump supports H1bs more than you think. In the meetings he had with SV, he specifically modeled the RAISE Act (remodeled) to remove country caps for Indians.

So you're wrong if you even think that. If you don't believe me, read the act in February vs now. The act prior favored Europeans as they live in smaller countries and are not affected by the 7% green card country cap. The act now gives blanket favorability to wages, skills, and english language capability without regard to country of origin.

The Act also does not touch the H1bs.

>>136631629
You being sick does not negate that it is a net gain as per every respected economist out there.

>>136631725
In sum, more engineers are good and that mediocre engineers dont deserve undue protections from competition. You are using a strawman argument. Read what I said and come back to me faggot.

>>136631783
Don't care. Anecdotes arent statistics.

>>136632567

He falsely assumes that either the products lower in price maintaining the profit margin and benefiting the consumer (not it doesnt happen), or that said profit is beneficial to everyone lol. Its so full of shit man!

Trump should definitely take shit for this. Specially him, given his "protectionist" stance.

>>136629598
I'd rather have a job but you can forward me the $1400 in BTC if you're genuinely appealing to my bottom line. Otherwise, GTKRWN.

>>136631089
>>136632616

https://www.thelayoff.com/qualcomm you can find a lot of candid opinions on h1-b employees here, especially if you go back a couple of years to their last big layoff. This company has a pretty big problem with them in management positions

Macy's entire online operation is an ongoing trainwreck, right down to attempted industrial espionage by some of their internal teams run by H-1Bs who don't know any better.


>>136630761
I worked for a decade for a certain high-tech giant HQ'd in CA. They have silos of what came to be known as "The Indian Mafia", a massive majority of them H1-Bs.

The truly awful thing is that Indians are honestly not the best workers. It's disgusting that this abuse of the H1-B program continues.

Not only tech companies, Edison, has been firing its domestic IT workers and replacing them with outsourced employees from India.

Also, for domestic engineers, If you see this stupid H1b thing happening at your company..and you think you're worth your salt...Start Looking for a new Job right PRONTO. And Train NOBODY. They're gonna fire you anyway...so why put butter on the other guy's bread by giving away your knowledge for Free?

Find a company actually values your effort and knowledge. You people are like tech artist, so creative and awesome.

>>136632616
>It' sbad for YOU, the mediocre coder.
lmao I'm a pipe welder
I never see pajeets at my work
Doesn't mean I don't pay attention to the rest of the country
>The Act also does not touch the H1bs.
>this delusion
It puts a cap on it and makes an department to investigate pajeets lying about what degrees they actually hold and looking into schools creditably.
Get fucked pajeet.

>>136632616

They are not necessarily better overall. They are better in terms of wage/work ratio. And thats why the West is going to shit.

Might as well quit producing anything in the US and outsource everything to China/Bangladesh then. Its cheaper.

>>136630307
Anytime (((economists))) use GDP figures as the basis for their claims you can be sure they're full of shit.

NAFTA was "good" for the US too if you only looked at the GDP. Nevermind that 99% of the wealth went to a handful of shareholders while millions of jobs were lost and many families destroyed.

I actually hope the shills are so assblasted about Trump's H1B/immigration reforms that they make this an issue again because it's one of the few that is extremely easy to meme against from both the left and right.

More immigration = lower wages. Period.

>>136630533
>>136630222
>>136631992
>>136632179
>>136632303

I have a friend who does software for Audi. According to him, outsourcing to India was the worst thing they did. Indians breaks down the moment they have to think on their own. Whiteman gives them a list of precise instructions (orders) and let them hammer the spaghetti code. Poos dont even understand what the fuck they're doing - they just retype (not even copy-paste, actually retype) a specific template which was provided to them.

He also told me ages ago that the next big thing Audi and the other companies are working for are smart cars. Which, when you take the new Wikileaks leaks into account, becomes fucking scary. The "your car can be remotely controlled in order to kill you" scenario was planned in advance for years.

I have some more friends who work software with the Indians, and nobody has anything nice to say about them.

>>136631992
Sun Microsystems had a H1b workforce of 0.5%, Oracle has one of twelve times that amount. By your logic, Oracle beat it due to H1b being good, not bad.

Adobe's market value has increased massively since its beginnings.

IBM's failures have to do with it's reliance on hardware in the age of software. Interestingly enough, its only profitable workers are H1bs, funny isnt it.

>>136632042
Strawman, show me actual data that contradicts my claim in OP. Sure you can provide extaneous data like "suppresses wages", which it should technically do for mediocre coders, btu that doesn't mean it doesn't have a net benefit.

>>136632179
These are all anecdotes, not statistics which say nothing about how the visa is good or bad as a whole. I can list nobel laureates or fields medalists who've used the H1b, like Manjul Bhargava.

>>136632303
Again, this is an anecdote, not an actual argument.

>>136632416
Displacement can accompany complementing. If I have a group project and one guy is just a net drain to the team, and i hire a cheap coder who can do the same thing, it's complementing. The other guy can work for cheaper elsewhere or with me, allowing me to increase my revenues overall.

That is how h1bs work.

>>136632498
Diversity politics doesn't drive H1b, if it did, Blacks would be hired at the same rate and hispanics woudl too, they arent.

>>136632567
Even if it helps them disproprotionately, it helps everyone else, this is an economic fact. This is the foundation of modern economics, unless you're a filthy marxist or socialist.

>>136633310
>>136630533
An Indian runs Microsoft, and has made Win10 the worst OS ever made, and the mistakes keep coming. They cancelled the last Update cycle because it was so badly botched. The answers you get if you go to the Microsoft Answers site are non-existent. They don't seem to be able to think, so they copypaste poo instead.

>>136632878
H1b visa changes are a part of his RAISE act which would seek to drastically change the system of acquiring a green card to work. The Poos salary level will be weighed against the U.S avg for the position so that if it lowers than what a native worker would pay then it's would harm their points thereby making it difficult to recruit them from India to replace American jobs.

>>136633356
>This is the foundation of modern economics, unless you're a filthy marxist or socialist.
Wrong. That's something leftists invented to attack Republicans. Kill yourself, kike.

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>>136629598
>Research shows that H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American /pol/.
I think you mean $14,000,000 for the richest kikes and $0 for everyone else. Aren't averages neat!

>>136629598

The average Amerikan never sees a dime of that Jood. If 65,000 Amerikans had the jobs at 150K a year what would that produce?

>>136629598
Wanna know how I know your some designated shitting street paki getting over paid, to pay for his expensive luxury car and still can't get quality pussy?

>Research shows

no it doesnt lol

>>136630307
> per capita GDP growth, efficiency, labor market freedom
so in other words the study doesnt show anything

>>136633356

I used to work for a large American internet provider as a developer for internet infrastructure. That is until management got the idea to hire poos and lay me off. I met a former female coworker months later and asked her how she was doing. "Terrible" she replied. "Not only do we have to work in the Indians, we also have to clean up their mess after them." She worked weekends too and wasn't allowed to take vacation because of the problems with the poos.

For me it worked out pretty good after a while. I'm now a scientist at the university, and not only is it we don't get told to work with incompetent people, we get to weed them out as well, based on their scientific work. We have some poo students, but they are all shit tier and none of them ever came even close to being hired.

>>136631028
>The employer isn't the one making 1400, it's the average American


no lol

>>136632878
This is objectively true.

>>136632994
You do gain, you just don't see it. Why do you think purchasing power si so much higher in the US than in Europe?

>>136633040
Laid off people are the only ones complaining though, that's the point. Mediocre coders will have to adjust and work for less (ie. 120k USD instead of 200k USD) that is not our problem if Americans as a whole gain from it.

And this is the free market in action, if you want to fix possible indenture of labor, work for the removal of country caps in the green card process, like Trump does with the RAISE Act.

>>136633144
Yes, it's good for you as it reduces costs. The rest of the country gains too. Mediocre computer programmers are a MINORITY of a MINORITY, and those are the people affected negatively by H1bs.

Also the RAISE ACT DOES NOT HURT H1bs. CURRENT CAPS ON H1bs are in fact NOT TOUCHED by the RAISE ACT.

IN fact it allows CURRENT H1b holders to adjust to permanent residence faster.

t. I work for a congressman who is going to co sponsor the Raise Act as soon as it doubles employment based immigration numbers.

We support the current version too, but it'd always be better to get what we want.

>>136633181
They are better for the country overall, they're not better overall than the best of American coders.

>>136633183
They're using per capita figures. NAFTA is also good for the US. The only people opposed to it are the ones like you.

Trump changed his mind on H1b long before, why do you think spouses of H1b holders still have work aurhotization?

I've been to meetings with policy makers, Miller had concerns about H1b but he has been assuaged.

We are targeting hispanics and illegal aliens.

>>136633310
Another useless anecdote with zero relevance.

>>136634280
>This is objectively true.

no its not lol

Damn I should just adopt a kid from China in that case because they'll probably have a higher IQ than my kids, and get higher salaries in the end. If you're a true capitalist you'll do the same

>>136629598
>corporations profiting
>Americans jobless
SEE GOY IT'S WORKING IN YOUR FAVOR!

>>136634100
>>136633460

CEOs are catching on that indians just cannot do the work that westerners are capable of. A lot of companies are going in the red because they have so much garbage to fix due to outsourcing. It's good for short term growth but if you want your company to survive 20 years you need whites and asians in the office. Ideally a ratio of 1 indian per 50 humans.

on a scale of 1 to poo how indian are you OP?

scared that you're about to be deported?

>>136629598
>get foreign cheaper workers
>CEOs make millions
>They invest it in rapidly growing economies like China
>Less money in american citizens pockets

Well I do want the great Satan to die so maybe you have a point. Most people do benefit from this and the US will be destroyed.

hey goy, let me use numbers to explain how you need to let in mud people or else everything falls apart. just trust me, im a jew, jews are good with numbers, no need to show actual sources or anything

>>136629598
You are a liar and a retard--so I guess that means you're a pajeet.

I run a dev team in a major mobile app dev house. When our fuckwit mgmt decided to eat a slice of the H1B pie, my entire team minus a single engineer and QA lead were replaced by pajeets. I used to be able to get five stable builds done in a week. Now I'm lucky if it is one build every five fucking weeks. Pajeets are, in general, absolute garbage. With the American team we had a breakfix success rate of 94%--now we're down to 50% some releases, and that isn't even counting the new regressions made you disingenuous sack of shit.

Want to know how I know pajeets are liars? Out of every four pajeets I interview, three are outright liars that can't pass a test that would validate their ridiculously long and absurdly formatted resumes. You think we don't read the fucking news retard? Your country is full of fake universities where a bunch of fake men go to get fake degrees so they can go fuck with my life.

You are a joke. I hope you know that. The few actual Americans left in the major dev shops look at you like a marginally useful slave. When I look at you retards stammering through another your lies in broken English, I wonder how I keep my calm.

Do you think it is random that a couple of pajeets get beat within a half an inch of their life every weekend in cities like Chicago? I know devs that go to bars just to get hammered and beat on pajeets. Fuck off you shit, otherwise, you'll find out what the NET GAIN is for you.

>>136634280
Google hires are like 80% retards 10% Really Smart People 10% Autistic Spergs.

Most of the marketing and "com" teams are really stupid. They're just virtue signaling fags, who talk about how great SF is but aren't from there, and spend most of their time working in Mountain View. They are also mostly overeducated white's and asians, and occasionally you have a couple of really dumbass niggers in there who are obviously there for diversity. They mostly just look busy and pretend to work by "scheduling meetings" and "touch bases." Half they time they don't work and are "working from home" which really taking pictures of salads on IG.

The indians and chinese are for the most part really retarded. They just hangout amongst themselves and are mediocre at their jobs. They work a lot tho. The indians are usually less qualified and really irritating to work with because all indians have this horrible hubris. The chinese tend to be qualified but unimaginative and don't solve the problems unless its very straight forward.

You never hear from the autistic spergs because they're autistic and they normally do dev ops or something and they just live life on call.

>>136634455
What he said and then some, it's great to cut costs and works out for a little bit, then poo's slowly shit up everything. Best thing to do is outsource something, demand a huge bonus when you cut costs, when shit collapses in 3yrs due to your outsourcing, bail out. Who cares, you got a nice comfy bonus and you won't have to shovel the poo's shit that's been building up for 3yrs.

>>136630319
White ex-employee sues tech company for favoring workers from India

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/technology/2017/06/21/white-ex-employee-infosys-plano-filessuit-claims-company-favored-workersfrom-india the coding, communication, and laziness issues in this thread are real, but the worst thing is if you actually crack open their coconut head, you will find the most arrogant mother fuckers in the world. most h1bs think they earned their right to work in the US through pure intelligence and good looks. many are from the indian upper class and snooty as fuck


Most of you guys are frauds. Rampant cheating, socially awkward rapists, and literally one of the worst regarding personal hygiene. Chinks are obnoxious filthy cheats as well but as least most of them don't rape or smell like shit all the time.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/info-tech/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-study/article9652211.ece

>>136634478

It would be deported to Israel.

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I hate the US and immigration of non whites to the US is a good thing. The sooner that ship sinks the sooner non white immigration to Ireland will stop.

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>>136629598
> there is no reason to oppose H1-B

There is if the people who are coming in on an H1-B are culturally incompatible with our country, so low IQ people from less free countries arent allowed because those people vote for what they know.

>>136633398
This is an opinion, the market disagrees since purchases have only increased.

>>136633460
H1b visa changes are NOT part of the RAISE ACT. Green card allocation is changed FAVORABLY to current H1b holders: http://tech.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate/indian-it-may-benefit-from-trumps-new-raise-immigration-act/59909679

>>136633735
Wrong, free markets are a right wing thing not a leftist thing. Kill yourself poorfag.

>>136633856
Your anti jewish conspiracy theories only make it easier for me to show these things to Stephen Miller and convince him even further in support of Employment Based immigration. Fact is data shows that it helps everyone overall.

>>136633901
They see it in the form of reduced prices, companies in America can charge fewer prices due to increased access to cheap technology, a direct result of H1b.

If you don't believe me, walk into a European store and try to buy some consumer goods, do the same in the US. Take $100 with you, see how much you can buy in each place.

>>136634031
If they're getting overpaid, a lot of people prior to you are wrong..

>>136634100
I linked the research, zero facts as usual from the average basement dweller. >>136634162
Those are all objective economic measures used to indicate economic wellbeing. >>136634228
lol, atleast this anecdote is more believable than the others

>>136634248
Yes, according to statistics, if you don't like them it's your own problem for being a leftie.

>>136629598
>Research shows that H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American /pol/.

How is that gain distributed by the way? If I own stocks in a company, then it works out for me. But if I work via wages, then I don't see how this makes a gain.

>>136634946

Good one Shatter.

>>136634280
>>136634853
all the coding, communication, and laziness issues in this thread are real, but the worst thing is if you actually crack open their coconut head, you will find the most arrogant mother fuckers in the world. most h1bs think they earned their right to work in the US through pure intelligence and good looks. many are from the indian upper class and snooty as fuck

>>136634676
Be careful what you wish for, my Irish friend. The Russians and Chinese will be far less benevolent then us Cucks.

>>136635041
I'm currently a programmer at a healthcare informatics company. Before me they had a team of pajeets who made barely functioning code.

They used to do things like say features were added when the features' code wouldn't even compile.

The first 6 months on the job was spent on various assignments intended to fix and salvage their code. It just couldn't be done, so I ended up rewriting fucking everything.

The company laid off Pajeet Team 6 and now only hire American-born and trained programmers. There's fewer programmers now than there were before but at least shit runs.

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>>136634280
>We support the current version too, but it'd always be better to get what we want.
What you want isn't what's best for the country. You are traitors that place wealth above the home that spawned you.
You and that congressman dick up your ass represent everything wrong with this country.
I sincerely hope your skull finds a small piece of lead flying into it at a high velocity. You deserve it.

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>>136629598
>H1-B visas are a net gain for the average American.
>Yes, workers lose out on it.

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>>136630307
>The article uses extra per capita GDP growth

>Jewish owners make more shekels profit hiring foreign slaves
>"But if you average out all the money we made, everyone is better off goyim!"

>>136635195
The Chinese will eventually clear up the middle east and Europe, Russia, China, India and Africa will begin trading without you.

You will have South america and Canada though. Thats good right?

>>136635041
As a programmer, a good portion of my work is just fixing some garbage a pajeet left behind, and I can charge an obscene amount of money for it.

Also, I do homework assignments for rich pajeets on the side -- so they're paying me instead of learning, then getting degrees and getting hired by big companies, and then going on to write shit code for which I'll get hired to fix.


If you've ever worked with Indians in a tech field, you will know exactly why they are unwanted. Zero team mentality, will gladly accept your help then stonewall you in return. Help and employ only their own kind, consistently use underhanded tactics to get ahead at the expense of others. Fastest way to kill a good team dynamic is to hire an Indian.

>>136635041
>They see it in the form of reduced prices, companies in America can charge fewer prices due to increased access to cheap technology, a direct result of H1b.
>If you don't believe me, walk into a European store and try to buy some consumer goods, do the same in the US. Take $100 with you, see how much you can buy in each place.

I'm rich as fuck kike and know your game. Compare the durability of the goods long haul without a fraudulent enhancer like outlay hedonic adjustment or engineered unit termination.

>>136635530
Fucking this. All this 'efficiency' and price improvements come out to a fatter profit margin on goods for corporations (of which consumers might get a sliver of in the form of reduced prices) and getting the latest model of vaccum cleaner out the door faster.

>>136634280
>I work for a congressman
Thanks for admitting you're a shill. Breaking news folks, shills want more immigration in order to drive down wages.

>>136634381
Denial.

>>136634414
Your genetic argument makes sense, but individual choice is in the best interest of the particular American family at hand. American families should look out for their own children, not the children of mediocre programmers.

>>136634454
Corporations are bad = marxist argument from zizeks playbook.

>>136634455
Anecdotes, Indians are generally more competent than Asians in CS due to their greater respect for IP laws. See I can make them up too. Long term growth is an example of "I have no argument", I've had people use that on me a number of times. It's just an empty statement without any backing.

>>136634478
I'm a US Citizen and a staffer in the US Senate.

>>136634676
Globalization leads to net economic growth to the US. The only person who unironically opposes free trade in the republican party with any power, or is associated with it, is Steve Bannon.

>>136634679
Jew conspiracy theories are not welcome in our government.

>>136634702
Anecdote.

This is about Americans as a whole, not about your inability to leverage your human capital for higher wages and employment opportunities.

>>136634723
Not statistically true, but ok.

>>136634798
>>136634853
Anecdotes and proves my original point.

>>136634946
Ireland is poorer than the United States, due to its socialistic policies. It is good for remaining in the EU FT Zone, but the EU is a net loss for global capitalism.

Especially with its fines and non competes levied upon American corporations.

>>136635019
This is an argument that is outdated with the current political paradigm, very few people can win elections using this. Very few people also tend to care about this, hence they will be ignored.

>>136635550
I'm sure the Chinese are just interested in trade. Just like the Europeans were interested in trade, right?

>t naive

>>136635044
>How is that gain distributed by the way?

Everything for the corporates in suits, nothing for the rest.

HURR DURR IM OP. LOOK WHEN COMPANIES MAKE MONEY YOU CAN DIVIDE IT BY 350MILLION, THAT'S HOW MUCH EACH AMERICAN IS EARNING

>>136629598
Yes but do you have to look at them? Fuck you, you sellout.

>>136635943
You went through all that trouble, but didn't answer my question.

>>136635976
Exactly. Show's over folks. OP lost.

>>136635874

All (((hedge and big pool fund managers))) own at least one Tesla...spiels everything you need to know.

Most horrifying thing I've seen is CMO's hiring a team of poo's to market to US consumers and fire the previous team. What the fuck does a poo know about US consumer behavior? Absolutely nothing and it turns into a poo fest within 6 months.

>>136635943
Actually, per capita, we would be one of the richest states and also 96% white.
>>136635968
Nukes have put an end to large scale war. Who starts wars these days apart from you? Begon jew!

>>136635943
You realize you keep saying 'anecdote' but then posting claims with no back up.

And you didn't deny being a pajeet. Wonderful. Have a nice life faggot.

>>136635943
I work in IT business and sometimes it takes 3 Indian compsci "doctors" to do one man's job

>>136629598
POO

>>136629598
Get the fuck out pajeet no one wants you here

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>>136629598

Fuck you, Raj
I'd rather take the "net loss" than have shitty poo in the loos running around my country

What's a few billion dollars to us, anyway?

>.136635943
Boss hires Indian company to build e commerce site and run social media campaign. I explain India and why so cheap, get overruled. Say OK but please don't give them access to servers or passwords. He does it anyway but doesn't tell me.
Thinks its an absolute success with hundreds of people signed up in the first few weeks.
Site is zencart install
Signups are all fakes with uploads from a database.
Our servers are now being used to send Viagra spam.
All orders created are scams to po boxes with stolen cards.

>>136629598
Yep I want to be pajeet,

>>136636263
Top kek. Who the fuck do you think keeps Russia from conquering Europe? Germany? Ha.

As a small nation, you are merely trading a cucked, overindulgent master for an angry alcoholic and a racist taskmaster. You'll regret the demise of the US, when it happens.

>>136635968
The French generally were. It was the beady eyed anglo who really put the screws on natives

>>136635943
>Anecdotes and proves my original point.
In no way does it, it shows the poo's are arrogant deceptive idiots and shit everything up.

>>136629598
cool, except poos shit everything up costing WAY MORE than $1400 each, you fucking retard

>>136635943

Oh look....he's taken his dreidel and dawdled back to his shtetl. No one fucking cares....you will soon be churning nothing but societal unrest and skimming sucking chest wounds from it.....I'll laugh.

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Success breeds jealousy.

>>136635044
A majority of American 401k accounts are vested in stocks in companies, about 30% of the American workforce gains from this by more than $5000 by this argument.

>>136635151
Anecdotes.

>>136635195
This is truth.

>>136635307
Is the only thing you can do shit out anecdotes from fifty different jobs you've worked at?

>>136635324
What we want is best for the country according to all observable indicators except virgins complaining online.

>>136635370
Yes, mediocre tech workers who account for 65000 of a population of 300 million. The majority of Americans matter more to us than a tiny minority.

>>136635530
Yes, jew conspiracy theories arent accepted by anyone outside fringe autists.

>>136635550
Lol no they wont.

>>136635783
Durability of goods is a meme, with rampant increases in technological growth, the durability of an iphone matters less than its technological process and functionality.

>>136635900
Shill because I want utlitarian policy designed to benefit the many rather than protect the few?


>>>136635530
So you admit you want undue protections for inefficient workers?

>>136629598
I prefer to have a net gain of -$10000000 GDP Jew retard economics of stealing Christian shit retards. I prefer to own things so i don't need to pay for it with my GDP gain of $10000000 until i die. Also niggers don't belong here.

>>136636533
>i will regret when it happens.
I celebrated when trump was elected. Both as the triumph of 4chan memeing and as the end of a US that isnt infighting.

>>136629598
The "demand" is from Indians who get into management and only hire other Indians

The problem is the indians that get into management positions, and then refuse to hire anyone but Indians. And since those indians fulfill diversity quotas, they're allowed to stay in those positions, no matter how bad at their jobs they are. It's actually a huge problem here in Silicon Valley, but most companies are wising up to the fact that it's economically worse.

>Work as a manager at tech consulting firm
>Whenever I get an email from an Indian sounding name I immediately block it
>99.99% of emails are
>I am Kumar shithead from shitty state and I am trying to find work being incompetent and shit.
>Please call me at blank so we can discuss how incompetent I am and how I have to go through so many people that I don't even personalize this email to your company's name.
>the other 00.01% are offering me jobs for very far away companies that are wildly out of my range of travel or expertise, but that would require they read shit about my company

Rednecks did nothing wrong. Indians are worst.

>>136629598
>Research shows that H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American /pol/.
>But that's a tiny (see 65,000 competitive spots) loss for a gain for 300,000,000.

You dumbfuck. It's 1.4k per migrant. That $300M gain total means an average of $1 gain per american for all H1bs combined.

>>136636717
You don't understand economics at all. You have a gain in GDP because inflation rises due to illegals and rich people getting richer and then having lower tax. You can guess once who pays for that lower tax.

>>136636666
How's that debt going, ginger?
Feels nice growing your GDP by fucking over all your neighbors and living off the crumbs of stolen corporate taxes?
What'll you do when the EU finally cracks down on you and kills your little scheme? Go back to looking for potatoes in your infertile soil?

>>136636717
My last few contracts have all been going in to clean up the mess H1b poo's left in marketing departments, yes, they fired US workers who understood the American consumer and hired poo's who don't know the first thing about American consumer behavior. They never ever admit to mistakes, always put on the big hindu boss act to cover up their lack of experience and understanding in marketing to US consumers. You explain something to them and they just nod in agreement and repeat what you said with eyes half shut and nodding their head in agreement in every direction as if its common knowledge, meanwhile they don't have a clue. You meet the CMO who got the brain fart to hire poo's, realize this idiot is in deep trying to cut costs for a larger bonus, the previous workers were able to handle everything thrown at them without any real problems, along come poo's and shit everything up and the CMO is trying to find every damn excuse to cover his ass for hiring poo's.

>>136636717
>A majority of American 401k accounts are vested in stocks in companies, about 30% of the American workforce gains from this by more than $5000 by this argument.

But not all. And probably not enough. Someone's loss shouldn't be someone else's gain. Loyalty of Americans to Americans, right? Or have we sacrificed everything on the golden calf.

By the way, I noticed you are a staffer. Are political parties ordering their staffers to shill on 4chan?

>>136637022
How's that cocaine and violent crime you dumb spic

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>>136636717
>according to all observable indicator
And you can't see the forest for the trees son.
A government that appeals to all appeals to none.

>except virgins complaining online.
Maybe you should have listened to them any you would have done better in 2016
Hopefully the guy who uses your intern-ass as a cock sleeve also loses his next election

>>136636717
>gf gets a tech job in vancouver
>not a single indian in the office
>company is fucking wrecking the competition because they pay above market rates (vancouver usually pays garbage, she's making enough to buy a condo)
>they hire ONE indian guy
>he gets fired in 2 weeks because he can't fucking keep up with the work due to it requiring actual programming knowledge

indians are good drones. Dispensable and cheap.

>>136629598
>He'd sell out his countrymen for $1400.
Even that kike Judas held out for more.

>>136636717
>technological process and functionality.

Technology and profit driven "need" is totally of the Jew. Soon you will die...I just hope it is mercilessly drawn out into a wide-awake slow-motion nightmare for you personally.

>>136637164
Try again, I'm french, you drunkard.
>What is a VPN
It's something that makes ginger ask question

Rends l'argent sale roux

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>>13663702
We have low debt and a high growth rate. Your opinions seem to be based on how non Irish countries perform.

This is Ireland we are talking about. The Celtic tiger is back. We are calling it the Celtic phoenix this time.

>>136629598
Does anybody else not care about the economy when you have to live next to poo in loo tech slaves and niggers from Somalia?

Cause I really couldn't care less, you could pay me 10,000 to have a bindi move in to my neighborhood and I'd tell you to fuck off.

>>136630533
>>136633398
>>136635041
poos are behind windows 10
that is why Im still on XP
fuck off and stay in your shithole

>>136637292
How are those muzzies you dumb frog

>>136637335
>>136637022
I didnt link you somehow.

Anyway, suck on it.

>>136636985

Chaim just so happens to have kike spinners for sale at 1$ a piece.

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I doubt every American gets a check for $1400 every year.

>>136635976
Your flag explains your persuasion, this is why your country si a drug shithole. You dont allow people to make money the honest way.

>>136636095
No, I don't, because they are irrelevant.

>>136636209
Yes, they own Teslas, I get paid $140k and I am paying off my loan for one too.

>>136636230
Anecdotal, but if they're improving profits and reducing prices all sides win .

>>136636289
I'm posting claims with statistics and logic, I'm not posting stories. I don't need to back up the fact the sky is blue. You need to back up generlizations if they dont come with data attached to them.

>>136636384
Not pajeet.

>>136636431
Economic growth, welfare payments to Jamal that you morons want us to keep approving, you know things like that.

Unless you're fine with paying Tyrone yourself?

I'm not entirely bluepilled on the issues, I'm on here for a reason, but Indians wont affect the demographics of the US if allowed in through skilled migration programs in amounts fewer than 300 thousand a year.

>>136636475
Go ahead, anyone is welcome.

>>136636571
You just keep saying mediocre coders are hurt by it, I say that too.

>>136636588
Where are the facts and statistics and studies showing this?

>>136636611
You make up jew conspiracy theories because you are afraid of our power in this government.

>>136636666
Mick PPP is inflated by Google's doube irish.

>>136637441

You are poor.

>>136636717
>>136629598
We functioned fine for centuries without you dirty shitbags. Having worked alongside your ilk I can easily say we could function without you. In fact a lot of the mess in our current IT systems are highly likely CAUSED by you.

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>>136635041
>commissioned by Center for Global Development
>gains are in "productivity and welfare boosts"
Right, we should all trust this study completely. And even if those numbers are right, the study itself made some concessions in admitting that there's been a drag on the tech sector as a result. How much do you think that drag has cost us?

>>136629598
yea fuck engineers let's pay them min wage for doing harder more skilled work than a doctor or lawyer

>>136637582
Wow, usury is destroying nations. What a mind blowing development... I'm so thankful someone screencapped this very important post because nobody has ever realized...

>>136637582
Id actually say the bigger problem is middle class people like me who's parents are liquidating their assets for. I wont need to go into debt.

Same for my gf. We probably wont need to borrow to buy a house. My parents have a holiday home I can holiday at for very little money. When I want to buy something I save up and but it. I dont own a car. Who needs one? I cycle. If I ever have kids Ill buy a car with cash, second hand. Wont even pay tax.

>>136637676
Probably richer than the average nigerlands.

>>136629598

Just because the some businesses are making a profit off it doesn't mean it's a good practice if your own workers suffer because of it.

t: worked on a visa and later on got a green card

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>>136629598
>Let's rip off hardworking American engineers to make things a little cheaper for normies
No thanks. You just pushed me further to the right.

>>136637600
hello, my name is john, can I today help you? sir, I'd like to considerate you on how my city is sinking in the poo.

proficiencies include windows of xp pro and advanced internet exploring. please be telling on how to copy plus paste stackoverflew javascripts in order to solved?? seeking cramped 0-bedroom suite to be sharing across 8 pajits cousins.

please to Itch-1 B, Amrika You-Say!

>>136637797
Doctors have a legal monopoly on certification that they use to restrict the number of poos. If we broke up the National Board of doctors, it would be white frosted brownies in literally every hospital instead of just half

>>136629598

Fuck you pajeet

Day of the Flush when?

>>136638059

It's a Jew at Jewniversity...twisting its nipples.

>>136636765
I don't care about your irrelevant country.

>>136636868
Anecdote.

>>136636985
It's 1.4k per American, read the article and return.

>>136637117
I have been on 4chan pol on my own volition for a while, I just understand economic and political realities better than most here, especially since the r/donald and female alt right whit eknighting. Loyalty of Americans is to the majority of Americans, opposition to H1bs is protectionism that favors the few, loyalty to americans != helping mediocre ones get free welfarebux at their expense.

>>136637195
He is going to win, he's a rising junior senator championed by immigration skeptics.

>>136637237
$1400 for 300 million Americans each > $80,000 for 65000 americans each.

>>136637283
You're saying this in a website that uses technology.

>>136637292
No wonder you display an abhorrent understanding of economics.

>>136637394
Niggers from somalia do not contribute to the economy, we want them gone.

>>136637436
Kek

>>136633040
>>136636868

>management


Over the last 20 years the US IT sector has become dominated by visa workers from India. Once an Indian gets into a management position they hire their family, friends, and wives even if they have little or no tech experience. Many of the contract employment firms in the US are now owned by Indians. Some organizations are almost exclusively Indian. These people speak their native language at work and English speaking workers have difficulty keeping their jobs because of the language barrier.

>>136629598
So this whole thread can be resumed as: "p-please let me in your country I'm a shitskin but I promise I'll be useful".
If H1b immigrants are so good why don't they stay in their own countries? Better yet, why are their countries such shitholes?

>>136638283
Mass replying like that is a sign of lonliness. Just sayin.

>>136638283
>Niggers from somalia do not contribute to the economy, we want them gone.

I don't care if you contribute to the economy if you're a nigger, or pajeet import Coolie, I want them gone.

>>136629598
>60k/annum loss = 300,000,000 mythical one time gain
>we should not allow domestic achievement, we should hire all the brains out of country instead of building our own
>it's okay for people not to want to choose to be in I.T. unless they're a woman because fuck men they're expendable
you're absolutely shit and your bait post is shit.

>>136638283
The company is hoping that no one would apply for the position that they have posted, and if someone does, they will find a way to declare him/her unqualified.

These ads are part of the "labor certification" process to obtain an #H1B visa (work visa) for a foreign worker that they have already decided to hire for the position .

U.S. immigration authorities require companies to place such ads and demonstrate that the company "could not find a U.S. worker who could do the job", and therefore justify the need to hire a foreign worker for the position.

That is why the company hopes that nobody would apply and if someone does, the find a reason to disqualify him/her.

This is an abuse that is rampant in tech industry. They bring in cheap foreign workers to the U.S to replace U.S. workers.


https://www.thelayoff.com/t/HMVCTEh

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>>136636985
>an average of $1 gain per american for all H1bs combined
post yfw you learned pajeets are literally worth $1 in the US economy

>>136638054
Doctor certifications help because a faulty doctor leads to death, a faulty coder just leads to a replacement.

>>136637781
Because its one of the most trusted organizations in the world for this kind of stuff.

>>136637897
Still, you being a visa worker does not negate economic reality. It's good for the country as a whole, that's what my argument is stating.

>>136637940
We're cutting pays off mediocre engineers so higher skilled workers and hard working Americans get a raise in living conditions.

>>136638183
I am a jew, so what? You can't do shit, your anti immigration politician is one too.

>>136638283
companies can go back to being racist. Poojeet and his all Indian male direct reports and their Indian male reports can finish the ethnic cleansing that started when he became CIO. The only qualifications you need to become a director now is to be Indian, male and worked on the wireline side. Within 2 years there will only be Indians left at the current rate. Wanting to do the job the right way is no longer a good thing.

it's nepotism. i've worked with plenty of indians too and they are shit tier at everything they do. there's one in particular that managed to get a high paying job offer despite needing visa sponsorship. there's no way that he got the job without a contact.

I work in IT so I constantly work with Indians. Out of the literal hundreds, I've only liked one. All the others thought their "shit didn't stink", were always correct, and never listened to anyone else even when they knew they were wrong. They would always lie, then when they were caught lying they'd pretend to not know that lying was bad. They are always just out for themselves and never worked well on a team. They never knew anything technical so I'm not even sure how they got the job other than nepotism.


They figured out how nepotistic corporatism works. And people say nationality is social construct. Ha ha ha.

>>136638283
>Loyalty of Americans is to the majority of Americans, opposition to H1bs is protectionism that favors the few, loyalty to americans != helping mediocre ones get free welfarebux at their expense.

I can tell you work in politics because you are a much, much higher grade of shill. Let's joust.

We protect the rights of the few even if it comes at the expense of many. That's how our Bill of Rights fundamentally works and is an American standard. We don't sacrifice our countrymen at the altar of mammon. That's just not how our nation ought to be.

>>136638679

I suppose so, but a great deal of those H1b jobs could easily be done by local talent instead of shipping in pajeets who've forged their credentials and even their degrees. There's a lot of abuse going on

>>136638283

>You're saying this in a website that uses technology.

Durability AltaVista tier useless faggot.

>>136638320
No, it's that they are good for the economy. They don't stay there as their human capital is of zero use in a third world shit (literally) hole.

>>136638460
I do, cause I'm not racist just rational.

>>136638560
Domestic achievement is good, increasing achievement overall is better.

>>136638645
That's not true at all. It's 1400 per person in the US, not per person on a h1b.

>>136638998
>I do, cause I'm not racist just rational.
No you're an autistic libertardian

>>136629598
I would gladly pay $1400 if it meant keeping out a foreigner and getting an American a job. I'd expect some kind of adoption packet with a name and a picture, and he'd have to write me letters and things, but I'm sure he'd agree to that.

>>136630307
>more engineers means more innovation
>more baristas means more coffee
why can't socialists into basic econ?

>>136638679
Don't be coy, everybody knows about the Indian mafia. You are the most nepotistic fucks around.

The Indians I've worked with were terrible, lazy, and one was openly racist and sexist. The are lazy, and will take credit for others work in a fucking heartbeat. All of them have been fired after 2-6 months for poor performance and fraud.

Stolen income from hard working Americans due to nepotism and corrupt politics

>>136638998
>That's not true at all. It's 1400 per person in the US, not per person on a h1b.

It's only '`1,400' if you own shares. Which again, not everyone does.

>>136629598
>workers lose but the top earners get even more money at the expense of the American people

eat a dick and choke to death on it

>>136638998
couple other Americans worked on a project with a few people from India. They had to meet certain milestones by a particular date. The American team did everything they were supposed to do on time. The team in India did not complete their tasks on time. The team in America tried to pull their weight, but it wasn't enough to complete the milestone in time.

We expect corporations to react rationally and in the best interest of their bottom line, but this isn't the case. Management saw that the dev team didn't complete their goals in time, so what did they do? Get to the bottom of the situation and reprimand the team in India? Of course not. They let go of one of the people on the American team because he was costing them too much money, and they replaced him with another Indian worker. Management's response to missing a deadline was to punish the team that did well and reward the team that failed, just because it saved them money in light of missing the deadline. They shot themselves in the foot.

If this isn't corporate and economic suicide, then I don't know what is. None of these companies have any idea that they're operating in a complete irrational way. You will never convince them. They can't even get their bottom line right.

It's a truly bizarre time to be alive, lads.

>>136638810
Rights are not the same as benefits.

You do not have the right to a job or welfare.

You have the right to bear arms and the freedom of speech.

I believe you should even have the right to discriminate, by race or nationality, on who you hire, unfortunately our current government doesn't.

We protect the rights of all. However, public policy is aimed at ensuring the well being of the many, given no one's right to stay free of interference is not affected.

>>136638871
I would agree with you on that.

>>136638993
Lol.

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>>136629598
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=uZ8KDvOrcYo

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=_rHG9UKmgbk

>D E E 1 3 3 7
>I
>S

>>136639106
haha, you aren't racist so you're autistic.

Nice one.

>>136639109
Would you be fine with it if its a European worker on a H1b and a Tyrone getting the job?

>>136639150
More baristas means more coffee if the resource of coffee beans increased per barista. Does the amount of code that can be typed increase per engineer? Does the amount of math equations that can be solved do the same?

>>136639164
I've stopped replying to you cause you just shitpost.

>>136629598
(((reasearch)))
the disfranchisement of your people and slow death of your civilzation is in your best interest goyim!

>>136639355
I wouldn't believe it if I myself hadn't seen the kind of third-worlders, including Central Americans, that management hires, even though it costs the company more in the long run. My boss and I wasted almost a week trying to get through to these people, that's a lot of money. It also reduces the security of the products because testers have less time because substandard IT. They replace quality American workers with these people and miss the "hidden cost" including wasted time and lowered morale.

>>136636868
Yup, I've seen it again and again. Management is politics. Especially when the Indians have a manager, and say their own manager is Indian.

>>136637781
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/us/politics/foreign-powers-buy-influence-at-think-tanks.html

Gee look at that, the (((Center for Global Development))) is awash with foreign money, just like all the other think tank traitors.

>>136638283
H1-b destroy wages overall, the net gain is irrelevant if it's for the richest of people isn't it really.

It's like the lolbertian retard argument.

Somehow allowing open borders and allowing anyone to come in at their own will will increase wages for people somehow, no it won't, it'll bring more competition for the already rich people so they can drive down wages since any 3rd worlder will take less than the average westerner.

You'd have to be retarded not to understand this, all you're doing is dividing the rich from the poor even further and what exactly do you think will come of that?, communism perhaps? careful what you wish for.

>>136638679
>I am a jew, so what? You can't do shit, your anti immigration politician is one too.

I have 3 decades of confidential psychiatric case summaries from Weill Cornell and they will be used. The worm is surely turning and it has boots on the ground. Your looming end time will be leveraged externally toward most interesting. I'll still laugh.

>>136639661
Remember to archive https://unvis.it/www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/us/politics/foreign-powers-buy-influence-at-think-tanks.html

>>136639215
People buy things, see how much comparable things cost ineurop eas compared to here.

>>136639291
Read above.

Also, that's an innately socialistic position.

>>136639552
I have worked with indian """""""engineers"""""".

They are living scum, you can explain them how to do stuff 100 times, they will pretend they got it and inevitably still be able to fuck up. If they manage to climb the ranks they will start thinking they are living demigods and start treating subordinates so bad, the enitre productivity gets fucked up and they get demoted again.
I currently work as a supervisor into a chip plant, first thing i did was firing every single pajeet i could get my hands on (with the exception of a single based sikh bro) and told the manager not to send me any more indians or i'm out.

>>136639355
I can only disdain a man who would choose to ruin the lives of a few so that the many can have more money. It's ultimately unbecoming of a person to so needlessly destroy a person's living for their own gain. It's blood money at it's heart.

>>136636717
You realize cockroaches have a higher approval rating than you shills, right?

The world literally hates you. Of course nobody believes your garbage fake studies.

Day of the rope is nigh.

>>136639762
So I assume you'll be rooting for China in the upcoming Pahjeet vs Chang War?

>>136639697
honestly, we need to start shooting people in thr head as soon as they start mentioning research

anyone that supports immogration needs to die. immediately.

>>136638998
1. Immigrants aren't good for the economy because their addition is below that of the average citizen, hence making the country poorer per capita.
2. They certaintly aren't good for native workers.
3. Not everything is about money Shlomo.

>>136639756
>>136629598

Before I knew better, I liked to imagine indians as these great cheap IT workers, who did the job as good as whitey but cheaper. But talking to a lot of very competent people in the field, I know now that most of you guys doing all the shitty/easy work that no one who is competent wants to do, are really just slaves. Proper companies dont outsource ANY important stuff to india, you are delusional if you think so. Nice meme though Pajeet, it is a good thing to dream.

>>136639566
Another conspiracy theory.

>>136639661
They are one of the most respected think tanks here and hire straight outta Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and Chicago.

>>136639674
H1bs arent open borders. Your argument is non existent. Not an argument.

You are the one wishing for communism. I want utlitarian capitalism.

>>136639697
Lol you aren't going to do shit nederlander. You people always have and always will do our bidding, that's how the master race works, and if there is one you're looking at it.

>>136639902

India is the next T.O.O. for the Jews. Huge net savers.

>>136640079
Every company that has offshored support and engineering is shit now. I have to time shit perfectly to get a US based TAC engineer to fix whatever shit Indian Cisco developers fucked up in their code.

>>136638283
>I have been on 4chan pol on my own volition for a while, I just understand economic and political realities better than most here, especially since the r/donald and female alt right whit eknighting. Loyalty of Americans is to the majority of Americans, opposition to H1bs is protectionism that favors the few, loyalty to americans != helping mediocre ones get free welfarebux at their expense.

I assume you're a Republican since supporting RAISE act?

I'm a tech worker that can't stand TATA because their telecom arm is shit. Constant excuses for CRCs that never get addressed but they're the biggest game in town for undersea circuit delivery.

You seem to be here to sharpen your rhetoric. What's your opinion of Trump?

I'm predisposed to hate on h1bs but I had the thoughts your stats seem to bear out before I saw this thread. I knew Trump was widening them a bit. As long as he's cutting illegal immigration and illegal Dim vote pandering at the same time I think the rising tide will fix America pretty well. I also greatly admire him for being the only person looking at nuts and bolts like getting Y2k sanctions off US contracts in 2017.

>>136639972
Then why do you people keep applying for false immigration scams in the US?

>>136639805
Nobody is destroying anyone's life. If they cant compete it's their own fault. Try to take responsibility.

>>136639894
Lol, Congress as a whole gets terrible approval ratings but every state/district loves its congressmen.

>>136639982
Objectively wrong for skilled immigrants.

They aren't good for mediocre native workers but benefit the workforce and citizenry as a whole.

>>136640026
not pajeet, could care less

>>136640079
>Lol you aren't going to do shit nederlander. You people always have and always will do our bidding, that's how the master race works, and if there is one you're looking at it.

Amazing how many notable names are so mentally defective...and Jews. Pardon the redundancy.

>>136640289
i had one poo in my tech company; luckily we got him fired. incompetent as fuck, and impossible to manage his little prince feelings. would fuck up his tasks every single time and get all butthurt about it when you tried to explain that in the most gentle of terms. allegedly had a masters in physics, and i dont even doubt it, but see it more as proof that you can rote-memorize your way through everything nowadays.

>>136629598
>Research shows that H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American /pol/.
This is a total misrepresentation. It says a net gain of "to U.S. natives of $1,345 per migrant". Per migrant, not per native.

>that's a tiny (see 65,000 competitive spots) loss
That's one full-time job and full-time salary lost to a worker for a gain of $1,345 to already-rich executives, traders, and investors.

Furthermore, they're just looking at the year 2010 in isolation. H-1Bs are generally inferior workers to the natives they're replacing. This is the kind of short-term cost-cutting that executives do to boost their quarterly performance reports and pump up the stock price. In the long run, the customers notice they're receiving less value and the company loses profitability and starts to die.

On top of that is the intellectual property theft by H-1Bs, many of whom are effectively foreign spies, invited into key positions in America's industry.

>>136639762
Watch out man, OP is going to dismiss your real life experience (which mirrors mine and the other guys in IT ITT) as 'anecdote' and move on.

OP is a pajeet "IT admin" who is trying to get his CTR bucks. The only value this thread brought me was seeing posts like yours which describe my experience with pajeets to the T. Amazing we all have the same anecdotes, huh? At some point OP, anecdotes that are all the same form a pattern--patterns can be predicted and reinforce true bias.

Buuuut you wouldn't know anything about that, because you paid some pedo-cop-stache-poo-in-loo fake university for your fake degree.

We'll bury these faggots when the civil war kicks off. Can you imagine being a retarded pajeet in MURICA when the fucking day of the rope comes? Holy fug. OP can have his kicks now.

>>136640079
>They are one of the most respected think tanks here and hire straight outta Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and Chicago.

In about two or three decades, nobody will take those names seriously anymore.

>>136640380
>"Nobody is destroying anyone's life. If they cant compete it's their own fault. Try to take responsibility"

As Judas says when he stabs him the back in favor of a foreigner.

>>136640380
Problem is Indians aren't more educated. They get "degrees" from shit degree mills in Banglore then come here saying they have 9 Ph.Ds they printed with rupees. Furthermore, Indians can't sneeze without permission - I'm an IT manager and hate Indians on my team. It's not even that they're incompetent (though they are), it's that they honestly can't wipe their asses without permission - they absolutely freeze up and panic at the smallest ambiguity. Maybe that's the poo issue...

>>136640079
rest assured the distributed ethic that will emerge will ne to shoot anyone in the head who supported immigration in the last 3 Years

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>>136640079
>hire straight outta Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and Chicago
lmao, you mean from those infantilized brainwashing facilities?

nobody except out-of-touch DC shills gives a shit about (((Ivy League))) brainwashing facilities

remember, your message is SO unpopular, even Hillary Clinton was against TPP - think about that shill, even Hillary couldn't support what you're pushing

>>136640079
Lol, you didn't debunk anything i said "oh it isn't open borders" yeah no fucking shit, but it may as well be, it's just another redistribution program against westerners for 3rd worlders , you're lowering job pay for westerners to benefit the already extremely rich billionaires.
I don't want socialism or communism, that's why i do not want fucktards like you making retarded policy which will inevitably lead to that, are you fucking dumb or something.

>>136640132
India would be good to be used for "jewish" interests, if you mean American corporations. They gain from them? Then America gains.

>>136640289
I work for a republican Senator, and yes I am a republican.

Trump is not just cutting illegal immigration, he is cutting legal immigration as well. I'm not the most knowledgeable about tech, but I have a doctorate in economics.

I have zero opinion on Trump because he is not very hands on with policymaking, I admire his advisor Stephen Miller much more, he is the guy who is primarily in charge of immigration matters and policy. My focus areas are in trade and immigration policy so that's what I handle. Miller is VERY knowledgeable and knows a lot about immigration, he is in no way racist or alt right but more like Ben Shaprio with an anti hispanic tint.

>>136640953
I'm a corporate drone, work in accounting for a BIG international company.

I have around 6 indians under me who do monkey-tier shit that is nonetheless a pain in the ass to automate, its basically data-entry but you often need to think and make decisions so we cant just write a script.

Jesus christ these people are fucking retarded I swear, I think in india these huge companies just recruit on the streets.

They've been doing this for at least 2 years each and for example they dont understand the idea of balance - that to get rid of something in a ledger you need to reverse it - for example if something was paid an equal sum will have to be credited, its beyond them and they always cancel the wrong fucking items against each other, Shit that a ten year old could do.

They are also lazy and try to weasel out of corrections I make them do with their shitty english which double pisses me off

>>136640606
i teach at international schools worldwide

in the third world in ha they try to teach people things at 15 years such as revealed preference, or market information pricing

i guarantee you 0% of them understand. they just cant even teach them basic logic, so they ramp up the content to the poibt where if it isvimitated it can look good in a screenshot on a powerpoint in a legislative presentation

>>136640953

>Hmmm here's an interesting CCUA summary concerning a someone who was attending something called The Frisch School.

>>136640953
So you come here shilling for immigration? Fuck off and also fuck shitskins. Quality over quantity. Would you rather live in India or Switzerland despite the first having a much bigger economy?

>>136630695
MD Anderson Benches IBM Watson In Setback For Artificial Intel

Watson can't cure cancer ... or all the stuff that breaks IT projects
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/20/watson_cancerbusting_trial_on_hold_after_damning_audit_report/


tl;dr Poos fuck up another IT project and embezzle/steal funds

>>136639347
What happened to the company?

>>136641269

A perfect vision of the corrupted imperfect world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0V_xf3OQgM

>>136641269
we need to start shooting them in the back of the head and suspending their bodies in public squares

support immigration and your entire family dies

>>136640383
It's a well known fact that Ashkenazi jews have the highest IQs of any group.

>>136640577
My bad. Still, the net gains are pretty high. Keep in mind that's a net gain, after all loses are accounted for.

>>136640578
Anecdote.

>>136640599
Lol, "in favor of a foreigner", net gains.

>>136640685
Hillary was against TPP because it became an election year issue and people are stupid. Same reason why trump was against it.

>>136640669
>>136640669
then ask your countrymen to leave the United States. Filipinos immigrate disproportionately to their population.

>>136640890
It's a net gain for westerners, so wrong. Also you're not American, you don't understand how uniquely differing our public opinion on "mixed economies" is. We want capitalism, not a huge welfare state one step away from communism "just in case" a revolution happens.

DAY OF THE FLUSH WHEN

>>136640953
>doctorate in economics
you threw your money down the toilet, unless your goal was to become a shill (seems like that's the case)

economics is garbage-tier pseudoscience that is basically only used for propaganda

on top of that, you actually sound like an idiot who really believes in these foreign government funded anti-American "think tanks" (traitors)

so congratulations, you're a shill, and an idiot

>>136640380
Please emigrate

>>136636717
your argument is stawks? in a completely broken interest rate market?
We have never seen interest rates held like this, never seen QE, ZIRP, NIRP, operation twist, etc.
This is a giant funneling action to the top.
Normal Savings in the bank are now absolutely worthless, toliet paper is a better investment when including inflation.
everyone now is forced into the market and when the time is right the kikes will fleece everyone two time, once through crashing everyone's retirement and second a taxpayer bailout.

>>136641606
I work as a programmer at one of the top (if not the top) cell phone companies in America. 90%+ pajeets, I've only seen maybe 5 other white guys. Probably not even that many. These fuckers don't know shit and write the worst code I've ever seen. I'm working my way through a few 3000 line files with absolutely no comments. There's practically no white space. 1000 lines with no new lines between them and completely out of line indentation. It's fucking awful. Also they use bizarre logic all the time. Just as a minor example, when performing a null check, they write (null != variableName) instead of (variableName != null) it's just retarded, why would you do that. I'm convinced the only reason people hire Indian is because they're so cheap. Also it's all a scam to boost India's gdp, I work here, but I found out they have my country listed as India somewhere in the file system.


There are consulting firms that are 100% H1B visas and only hire pajeets. Look at Collabera run by Hiten Patel - 12,000 employees.

>>136641606

>It's a well known fact that Ashkenazi jews have the highest IQs of any group.

The Amerikans will end you Jew. Shame you couldn't get their weapons away from them. How fast can you tally incoming rounds?

>>136638679
>We're cutting pays off mediocre engineers so higher skilled workers and hard working Americans get a raise in living conditions.
That's doublespeak. You mean you're decreasing personnel costs to artificially lower the price of goods. Engineering isn't any better.

>>136641606
>Lol, "in favor of a foreigner", net gains.

So you are saying it's okay to take down a countrymen to put up the country? Got it.

>>136641606
i am not filipino
ashkenazi iq is not 114, given their percentage of the israeli population it is 106 at the highest, otherwise ALL other jews fall to an iq lower than african americans

kill yourself or we will avail you of the trouble

>>136630319
The exploitation of the H1B visa loophole is the main cause of this. There are companies that fired their US programmers and forced them to train their own replacements, threatening to withhold their severance packages if they refused to train the Indians.

Most of the Indian programmers are really slow and only know the bare minimum. All they are good at is following directions. As soon as they have to solve a unique problem or think outside of the box they fall on their face hard.

>>136640953

I feel like there is an opportunity cost to support immigration in any way right now with how polarized each political base is.

Even if h1bs help American purchasing power and GDP as you say. Is it a good time to bring that up and throw yet another banana peel under the Trump administration which is doing great things with taking illegal drain off our system and increasing wages through supply and demand?

I could be biased as hell about h1bs and chunter along like a typical /pol/ack but I can see your side of the argument. What's the real gain to push it right now though?

To put it in some silly terms (fuck Bannon sold WoW gold so wth) if the US was a top tier guild it seems a good time to greatly reduce outside recruitment because our internals are in disarray. Even discounting the illegal argument totally.

>>136641606
>the net gains are pretty high. Keep in mind that's a net gain, after all loses are accounted for.
That's a claimed net gain, looking at the year 2010 in isolation.

Everyone knows that H1Bs are cheaper than Americans.

Everyone knows that H1Bs don't do their job as well as Americans.

Everyone knows that it takes time for diminished competence and inferior performance to reduce a large company's revenue.

So nobody can seriously believe that looking at the numbers from one year is going to give you the whole picture. The study's a lie meant to justify the H1B program, which is hurting America.

>>136641859
modern tech doesnt make money

they have to hire streetshitters dso they nleed less money

it doesnt matter how quality of a product you make, the product is based on advertising revenue geared towards unemployed gen zers, nigfers, and third worlders

there is zero revenue potential

>>136641836

Front running algorithmic wedge effects from private FO networks.All of your banks are totally insolvent running account reclassification apps to skirt hard deposit requirements.

>>136642173
the total net gain from each yearly addition to h1bs is less than the tax revenue from 4 working class homes

have none of you done the math

theyre trying to bribe us with pennies

>>136630222
Meh.

A good way to spur innovation and deal with capital's tendency to precipitate. Pajeets add a new level of dynamism to the American tech industry.

>>136642133
Because in America immigration matters are not resolved unless it's in a comprehensive manner. Bringing it up to the Trump administration also helps deflect arguments against the RAISE Act.

Currently the RAISE act is facing stiff opposition, the only way to pass it is to dilute it and model it in such a way as to hurt unskilled migrants and help skilled migrants. Otherwise, anyone can scream "racist" loudly and win.

Also overall indicators do indicate that it is good, people who oppose it tend to do so because of emotional reasons (racism, dislike of foreigners) rather than rational ones.

>>136629598
I thought Sorosposting was dead

whats up ShariaBlue

>>136629598
This is total bullshit shill. A majority of these are near totally monopolized in three companies. These wages are fixed around the 60k which artificially lower the wages of IT works. That said, this gain is bullshit.

>>136642567

Dazzle them with dreams upfront and then baffle them with the finely printed bullshit on the backend. Tao of the Jew.

>>136642608
pajeets and african imigration will be a huge boon for the oven and incinerator industry

highly reccomended

>>136642608
>>136642656
IT'S REAL SIMPLE

>can't understand the benefit of plumbing
>""""""engineer""""""
We're just not fooled. No Indian is an Engineer. If there were indian engineers, their country wouldn't be shit.

QED

>>136642656
They do sub-par work, are hard to understand, have no personality, and take a job away from the home team. Honestly, the money saved by hiring h1b workers is lost when deadlines are missed because the product doesn't work and real engineers have to be brought in to redesign almost from the ground up.

>>136643128
They're also incredibly fucking racist and form cliques like nothing I've ever seen. They invited me to play on their cricket team because they knew of my sports/baseball background and i was instantly their best player. The first game you could just tell I was not wanted there, and it was clearly because I was white. I was immediately told I couldn't play anymore with a painfully obviously made up story about how the team got too big and there was no room or some shit.

So yeah, fuck clannish fucks.

>>136630307

No. This is total bullshit. 95% of the H1-B workers (I work with about 1100 of them) are shit, and then maybe another 3% are average. Nothing near full stack, and they only ever know one technology, almost always Java, and sometimes database. It costs more to hire one than to hire a local guy because of what the contract house takes. How do I know this? Because I'm a goddamn hiring manager you dishonest cuck.

>>136629598
>net gain for Average American (TM)
You mean a net gain for the kikes and blue-haired freaks controlling (((Silicon Valley))). Fuck off shariacyan

>>136642760
The gain is for the company.

>>136642656

>Currently the RAISE act is facing stiff opposition, the only way to pass it is to dilute it and model it in such a way as to hurt unskilled migrants and help skilled migrants. Otherwise, anyone can scream "racist" loudly and win.


Appeasement strategies seem to be what's killing us now though. Trump certainly didn't win through appeasement. We need to purge RINOs and primary out Dims from Congress as much as possible. The power of crying 'racist' diminishes every day in this climate.

Example of appeasement directly killing us is Republicans agreeing to the Russian sanction bullshit. I sure wish Russia had our back for nuking NK right now instead of the opposite. At least they're not saber rattling back at us which speaks well of Putin and makes Dims look even more hysterical if such a thing were even possible right now.

>>136643315
poo here

Send back all the H1B fuckers so they rot in this shithole with their mediocrity and incompetency. My ex gf from bangalore couldn't write 2 lines of Java code even if her life depended on it in her final year of Engg. Got hired in Cap Gemini, most likely for her looks, and now is in the US on H1B and thinks she's hot shit.

>>136640578
I worked with Indians on a SAP upgrade project, very basic upgrade of a tolling companies ERP system.

They are literal shit. They do not know anything unless it is written in a manual for them. They are incapable of creative thought or even remembering tasks from one day to the next. It is absurd. You literally have to give their programmers exactly what you want and do it for them or they will shit the bed.

>>136643495

The best programmers work for the chemists....all day.

>>136643315
we need to start preparing lista of people who utilize and encourage immigration based.on internet metadata and.execute them

>>136629598

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/tech/ites/95-engineers-in-india-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-report/articleshow/58278004.cms

>only 4.7% of Indian programmers can write the correct logic for a program
>60% can't write code that even compiles at all
>only 1.4% can write code that is functionally correct and efficient

>>136629598
>its okay to fuck over our fellow citizens if it benefits us even a little bit
Socialists will throw anyone and everyone under the bus.

Alright m8s Brit here, I don't really know much about the H1B program or anything, but I do know a bit about the British university system and visas.

We in the UK have relatively high demand for university places from Indians and Chinese students. Under the Labour government, many Indians were admitted to the UK to study - sometimes admitted to fake/bogus colleges - and post-study most of them stayed in the UK.

On the other side, the Chinese students go back home and don't hang around.

The current Conservative government have realised this and have reduced the number of Pajeet students and increased the number of Chinks. For whatever reason, the government are happier when these students go back.

This is my contribution to this interesting thread.

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>>136631089
This. It's no coincidence that software has gone to shit. Windows is the worst it's ever been.

>>136631931
I don't care if the companies are making more money(in the short term). I care about their quality of their output. Right now we're being price gouged for low-quality shit and it's exhausting.

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>>136638679
Trusted by whom and for what? Trusted by normies to further the globalist SJW agenda? I don't doubt that.
>pic related - from their website - gee, what sort of agendas do you think they're after?

>>136643816

>e need to start preparing lista of people

Geeze, calm down Google.

>>136643826
Indians can't even engineer functional infrastructure in their own country, stay out of ours, don't want any more collapsing bridges.
As a software dev working with Indians, I once had a conversation with one of the guys on my team who was indian about his education. He said his undergrad in India in CS never required him to write a single line of functional code. EVERYTHING was theoretical, and when he came to the US as a grad student he had to learn how to code. I was floored. Frankly I had spent the last 4 years coding part time and working and had written more code in 4 years than he probably ever will in his entire career. Mind blown.

I work as a sys admin at a large company and I've worked with a few good poos. I can't comment on poo software developers, but the poos that come here to work as sys admins are good from my experience. The ones that actually work in India are usually terrible and you need to spell everything out for them. They routinely make mistakes as well. So I think the situation isn't as black and white as we make it.

I've noticed dozens upon dozens of poos come into the company though. Sometimes I'm the only white guy walking down the hall. Most of them here are just here for cheap and menial programming work. But as I said, the sys admin poos I've worked at have been good (although I would say they're still a tier or two below the top tier white guy lead sys admins that we have here in terms of skill and problem solving ability).

Another thing I'm wondering: what's the effect of all the H1B poos on recent college grads? I'm one of two white college grads my company hired in the past 5 years for an IT position. And like I said, I noticed dozens of poos. I barely see any new, young non-poo professionals enter. Are poos displacing young American college grads? Would companies rather hire cheap poos than young Americans because of inexperience/training costs/career development/etc.?

>>136643826
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/engineering-employment-problems/1/713827.html

engineering colleges in india are more retarded than a pyramid scheme

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>nice short term gains but worrying signs about the long-term effects emerging
>implying those "firm productivity and welfare gains" were distributed evenly or even close to
>implying skill as a tech worker is inborn and not made
>implying money is the only thing that matters

Yea Im not sold

>>136629598
>Research shows that H-1b visas are a net gain of $1400 for the average American /pol/.
I didn't get my poobux check in the mail last year. When can I expect the 2017 one and who do I have to talk to to get back checks?

>>136644183
Reminder that the "skilled labor shortage" is a sham.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU


IT worker here, you're wrong. I've been at 2 major companies now and 50-80% of their developer job force was H1-B trash. And they aren't usually any better than your average American, most times worse because they can't really communicate effectively or think outside of the box.

They are 100% an HR scheme to depress wages and race replacement

Bay Area tech executives indicted for H-1B human trafficking

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/25/bay-area-tech-executives-indicted-for-h-1b-visa-fraud/

>>136644183
>poojeets replace natives since the '90s

I saw it happen. My family moved to the Bay Area in '90 and I started working in tech (doing warranty repair for Northrop Grumman) in '95 or so. Did contracts at Sybase, Gap HQ, LVMH, Netscape, Providian & Cadence design and it some point at the Cadence campus, maybe in 99 or so, I just looked around and said "Where they fuck did all these indians come from?"

Literally selling the jobs out from under the feet of skilled Americans to depress wages. If I'd known then what I do now I might have done things I probably shouldn't talk about on a public forum.

A glorious time was had for a few short years tho.

during the tech bust, and economic recession 2000-2005/7, native US engineers had practically no job prospects and became unemployed, thousands of applicants to few positions, at the same time poojeets h1b were recruited left and right, given jobs en-masse

then another bigger bust from 2008-2012/3, more poojeets recruited to replace the naives

natives became discouraged at engineering professions as they saw unfair, discriminatory hiring practices: racial replacement agenda under the guise of skills shortage and diversity

>>136629598
You're a child if that's what you think.

Go out in the real world and see how H1B visa overstays are fucking our job economy over. We have a surplus of engineering degreed citizens who can't find work but we instead import low wage workers.

It's big business bending the rules to their fiscal gain.

>>136644768
Like I said, I can't comment much on software development poos since I'm a sys admin and barely interact with that sector. I've just noticed tons of poos come in, and almost every software developer I've had to work with has a last name like Rajganapanigupta, so it seems to be like they're just filling in programming work, at least at my company.

And I've actually worked with 2 really good poos who were sys admins. A majority of the workers seem like shit but there are a few good ones. I'd hope the system would make those skilled people more prevalent, but it does seem like companies are just hiring poos for other reasons and not because of their skill.

>>136645701
It's sad because I know a FUCKTON of people in Canada and the US who went into software engineering only for the job market to basically implode due to foreign workers. The idea of studying 3-5 years and earn under 50k/annum is insulting.

>>136645903
but it's a net gain goy

>>136645701
tech jobs are almost impossible to get due to indians cornering/monopolizing the whole market (nepotism + diversity quota politics)

The local pharmaceutical manufacturer uses loads of H1B Indians and Asians. Right in Southern California where there is a shit load of universities.

>>136629598
kek. Tech companies making billions extra certainly benefits the average citizen by an extra $1400.
>if the mean is higher, it must be better for everyone!

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>>136645903
>indians monopolizing industries and turning natives into 3rd class citizens

this happened in uganda, fiji, guyana. its happening in UK, US and the rest of the anglosphere and europe

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>>136633040
>the Indian mafia

heard of the "The Patel Cartel"?
more than 70% of all hotels in US/UK are owned by Subcontinentals (indians/pakis)

that goes for the mafia running franchises, convenience stores etc...

>I was a 3 store owner with Subway. I was franchisee of the year for my region. Then our Development Agents changed and with in 14 months I was forced to sell all 3 locations because I was all of a sudden considered a bad operator. All the while, my stores out performed the market, and the stores of my new Development Agent. In a period of 14 months over 40 stores in our Southern California Market were flipped. All were forced to sell due to "compliance" issues. Most of the stores were above market average. The new Subway Development Agent, the Marwaha Group, in its role of Development Agent has the responsibility to do the Compliance Inspections. Interestingly, they or their immediate Family members were the only approved "buyers" in the 40 locations that flipped.
>immediate Family members were the only approved "buyers" in the 40 locations that flipped
>Subway Development Agent, the Marwaha Group
>Marwaha Group
>Marwaha

When Subway Corporate was questioned, the response was that the old Development Agents (who were DA Market of the Year in 2001), Subway Corporate said that the old Development Agents were scumbags, lazy, etc.… Subway was not only aware of the problems, but actively condoned the following potentially ilegal behaviour: Price Fixing, Racketeering, Fraud, and Forgery…

>>136646826
so its not just IT. better start reading up on the Fiji Revolt and Coup

>>136630533
Balmer was jewish

It's about white europeans not money you eternal faggot

>>136629814
>I actually oppose all work visas.
If you want contracted GDP growth, then it makes sense to oppose all work visas. Otherwise, that policy is straight up fucking retarded.

>>136629598
The thing is, China's top 1% performers are enough to fill all of the US engineering college positions and jobs. Purely merit based policies will lead to the ruin of our people. And for what? the economy god? If you prevent the companies form leaving or having access to the US market if they leave, then they have to hire US talent.

Now I think there is a balance. Limit H1-B's so that we snipe the top talent from other places, but limit it so that we don't shoot our own population in the leg.

>>136629598
h1bs lower wages though. I mean it's 3rd grade level maths, when you increase the supply of something but keep the demand the same (h1bs can't start their own business' or switch companies), then the price of that something goes down.

>>136629598
fuck off paki and take your bs "usnews" with you

>>136648438
there is no "top talent" in the drone world. its a myth. they exist exclusively in research universities.

99% of corporate workers do menial low-tier shit. no top talent required.

there is no need to recruit "top talent" worldwide to do menial corporate work, which has always been done by the natives.

the top talent researchers are always consultants or partners to companies and travel to their clients or work remotely. they are rarely used to lifetime employment and have their own special visa, not the H1B.

H1B is drone labor that steal jobs from natives

>>136629598

From a NEET point of view this can be good, someone has to pay for my welfare, why not make it Pajeet.

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Man, that is one triggered Pajeet.

>>136646826
>The Patel Cartel
Exactly what happened to my job in 2010. Was replaced by the incoming poo's in-laws.

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>>136629598
>net gain when examining a very short period of time
>doesn't even consider the long term effects

Sums up liberal reasoning

>>136630533
FOUND THE POO MAN

>>136629598
Here's a suggestion for h1b workers.

They can kill themselves.