PRESIDENT TRUMP GENERAL - /ptg/ - RUN, ESCAPE Edition

i didn't click it

Its Iraq all over again

TIME TO NUKE THE NORKS

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your memes literally don't compete

>>136624322
lol

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>>136624165
The North Korean Endgame

>There is only one feasible choice for solving the issue: treat Pyongyang as a rational actor.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/the-north-korean-endgame/

>In 2016, North Korea conducted the most missile tests ever, a total of 24. Since the beginning of 2017, the regime in Pyongyang had only ratcheted up the number of tests, currently at 17, with the promise of reaching a new all-time high, and surpassing last year’s record. The last test, conducted symbolically on July 4, marked a new milestone by introducing Pyongyang’s intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), with a range that could reach Alaska and potentially Seattle. It is now believed that North Korea will soon be able to develop and mount miniaturized nuclear warheads on its ICBMs and become an even greater threat to its neighbors, and the United States.

>The urgency of the current developments, fast outpacing the expected timetable, has raised the stakes in Washington, Seoul, Tokyo, Moscow, and Beijing, raising the demand for new policies targeting the military belligerence of the rogue state. As Washington considers its main policy options, it will have to consider both feasibility and the (cost and benefit).

>At the core of any meaningful policy vis-a-vis North Korean militarization sits one simple, yet seminal and highly contested question: is the regime in Pyongyang rational or not?

>If the regime in Pyongyang is rational, then deterrence (nuclear deterrence in particular) in combination also with other, more positive forms of engagement could lead to a de-escalation of the current tensions both in short and long terms. If Pyongyang regime, however, is irrational, there is little one can do but act, seizing a moment of strategic and tactical advantage before the cost mounts even more. The difficulty comes from the fact that rogue regimes often might pretend to be irrational in order to keep up the aura of unpredictability as part of their strategic arsenal.

>>136624322
>Its Iraq all over again
hey relax it will only be a three week war at most and they will greet us as liberators

SKYRIM IS FOR THE NORKS!!!

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>>136624383
Scenario 1: The North Korean Regime is Not Rational

>Are Kim Jong-un and his regime irrational? If the answer is yes, as many warmongering policymakers in the State Department and the Pentagon argue, nothing short of a swift military intervention, with the possible goal of decapitation and regime change, could stop a nuclear Pyongyang with its new ICBM capabilities from running over South Korea, even while risking retaliation from the United States.

>Any military escalation with an irrational North Korea would result in the materialization of Pyongyang’s threats to shower Seoul and Tokyo with a barrage of missiles, likely carrying highly toxic sarin gas among other things. If U.S. and South Korean intelligence is correct, hundreds of artillery cannons and cruise missiles will pepper Seoul within minutes of the beginning of a military confrontation, covering the capital, with its population of over 10 million, and obliterating millions of lives, while also causing structural and economic damage not seen since World War II. The same fate would await Tokyo, home to 36 million. Millions of Koreans from both countries would storm China, Japan, and Russia, in an attempt to escape from the impending nuclear holocaust, while millions more may engage in a fraternal civil war. This will quickly lead to the largest humanitarian crisis of the post-WWII world, making the current Syrian crisis look like a small deal.

>China would not sit and wait. It would not favor an American military presence next to its borders, nor the prospect of united (albeit devastated) Korea under the banner of a pro-American Republic of Korea. A conflict would also prompt a race between the U.S.-ROK alliance on the one hand and China on the other (with possible factions from the North military joining either side or remaining independent) to capture and secure North Korea’s nuclear weapons.

He is going to get so many innocent people killed. He has no idea what he is doing. This scares the shit out of me. I know it sounds scary as shit but hearing him say this made it sound like he was just blustering. He's a fucking moron and can't even make meaningful threats. It sounded like he was stumbling around with the few words in his head and walked away thinking "haha yeah that showed him".

I fucking hate this man.

BUT HILLARY WILL START WORLD WAR III GUYZ!!! THAT CRAZY BITCH WANTED A NO FLY ZONE OVER SYRIA!!!!!1!!

Fuck all you Donald supporters. I will never forget anyone who voted for this maniac and I'll hold it over them so that they can never pretend they didn't support him. No more playing nice like I did by allowing the old Iraq war supporters pretend they were libertarians against war the whole time

>>136624348
>Can't even spell Kim Jong Un properly.
Humiliating.

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>Fallout 1 will become a reality

>>136624322
>>136624373
>>136624386
Its not, no one is calling for war or an international coalition. Everyone was saying the same thing about Syria but you idiots were wrong then too.

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>>136624165
mobilize

>>136624429
Shareblue is already here.

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>tfw your Korean War vet grandpa died before he could see the Gooks get nuked and the Chinks get dismantled economically
at least he didn't live to see a nigger get elected president and suffer under eight years of that shit, though

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>>136624449
Hell yeah.

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bloody mika

>>136624165
Those nuclear codes, I wouldnt let him around em

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GTKRWN

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>>136624426
>Russia will also not sit and wait. Moscow and Beijing already have military ties that amount to a semi-military alliance. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization is not NATO, and will probably never be, but it is also a suitable rudimentary platform for military cooperation and security coordination that keeps developing. Moscow is a concerned party in the region and would act in its own interest in an attempt to prevent a greater American presence there, as well as the establishment of a pro-U.S. united Korean state.

>Accepting that the regime in Pyongyang is irrational, hence suicidal and self-destructive in pursuit of a divinely chosen destiny to unite the two Koreas under its banner and to defeat the United States, is a precarious and deterministic way of assessing the current situation in the peninsula. It narrows the available policy options, which are frequently trimmed down to exploiting strategic advantages while the window of opportunity is still present. The irrationality theory rests on unstable logic and hides a great deal of uncertainty, along with the potentially devastating consequences for the region, for millions of innocent civilians, and for the global economy and peace.

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>Wolf's face

>>136624489
ok

>>136624322
Nah, no nation building or occupation this time.

Dumb Drumpfy souns like Fat Kim. SAD

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>>136624583
Scenario 2: North Korea Is a Rational Actor

>Rationality suggests that given the knowledge of the potential costs and benefits of each policy option, policymakers would pick the one that minimizes risk, minimizes cost, and maximizes utility. Rationality suggests that self-destruction carries very low if any utility but maximize both cost and risk, which means this course must be avoided at all costs.

>Accepting that Pyongyang is a rational actor, even when the regime shows signs of apparent irrationality, is a crucial starting point for the crafting of a successful deterrence policy that would prevent North Korea from causing a major regional if not a global conflict. Such an approach would rest on traditional military deterrence, coupled with gradual but active engagement with the regime.

>The Kim dynasty and their supporters are engulfed by a long-standing fear that Washington is out to topple them. This may not be completely removed from reality, given the fact that the Korean conflict remains unresolved, after nearly 70 years of armistice without a peace agreement.

>The Kim regime may be totalitarian and cruel to the point of genocidal, but it serves no purpose to assume that it is suicidal and self-destructive.

>Should the United States and South Korea destabilize Kim’s regime, or attack it, China’s calculus may change drastically. As a starter, as mentioned earlier, it is extremely unlikely that China will allow the unification of the two Koreas under the ROK. That means China will either try to annex as much of North Korean territory as possible — temporarily at least — in order to create buffer zone for itself, or it will directly challenge U.S.-ROK forces for the control of North Korea.

>As much as certain circles in Washington may not like it, the only meaningful policy in the current situation, and the only one that does not involve the risk of a full-blown military confrontation with unpredictable consequences...

>>136620889
>>136623888
we're all gonna make it brehs

>>136624386
>unironically thinking it's ever going to happen

North Korea gets uppity every two years like clockwork. Falling for the Nork meme is absolutely inexcusable at this point.

BOMB BOMB BOMB PYONGYANG

Not gonna lie, former Trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn.

But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

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>>136624449
at last

>>136624429

>>136624429
>This scares the shit out of me.

That's because liberals are afraid of their own shadows and everything scares you

>>136624664
man today is like pure heroin for zerohedge

>>136624656
Yo Kek has spoken

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>>136624535
Kino a cutest.

>>136624598
K, keep being dumb and wrong all the time.

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Man if this happens...america will have GBP and Alpha boy points for the next 50 years

>>136624429
>. I will never forget anyone who voted for this maniac and I'll hold it over them so that they can never pretend they didn't support him.

I feel this way every day, every minute, every second even to this day when it comes to Obama.
Maybe you should have listened. You don't get to piss in peoples boots an tell them to not take notice of the fucking stench that doesn't go away.

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I just want there to not be anymore wars, lads. That's what I really voted for with Trump. Get out of the ME. Get out of everywhere. Israel can fuck right off. No more dead American kids. I want a least a few years on this Earth where my country isn't spending Trillions of dollars overseas.

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>mfw Trump coasts to record-high approval ratings over the bodies of 25 million charred gooks

so what is actually going on with North Korea? at work at the moment

>>136624723
I always wonder inf Shadman is part of one of those groups.

>>136624657
>North Korea gets uppity every two years like clockwork. Falling for the Nork meme is absolutely inexcusable at this point.
I agree but,
>magapedes demanding war
Who exactly is falling for it?

>>136624765
you're making an ass of yourself

>>136624322
I feel this is what will bring Dems and Republicans together to finally support Trump. If he decides to kill Kim.

I don't really want a full blown war, just some military banter. Like shooting down a rocket in air, on the launchpad or something.

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FIRE AND FURY
FIRE AND FURY
FIRE AND FURY

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>>136624677
The US is not seeking war in North Korea, no party wants a Korean war because the cost would be astronomical. North Korea could hypothetically force everyone's hand but that is unlikely.

One only needs to pay attention for 5 minutes to understand that and you morons were wrong about Syria too, crying all day about how it was another Iraq. You guys were absolutely pathetic and wrong.

>>136624383
>>136624426
>>136624583
>>136624647
Trump is forcing them to stop this little will-they-won't-they game. Kim has to either openly admit he's a rational actor and cuck out on the nuclear threats, or get nuked. This is a systems approach to North Korea, by forcing Kim to choose between a series of sub-optimal outcomes.

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Feinstein statement on North Korea

>stop isolating north korea, invite them to talks without ANY preconditions immediately

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Trump BTFO.

BAKING

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>>136624835
>We strap McLame to one of our nukes

>>136624832
You've been at war with these commies for fucking ages. Trump is getting you out of there ya dolt.

>>136624847
>so what is actually going on with North Korea? at work at the moment

Confirmed by US intel that they have miniaturized a nuke that can fit on one of their ICBM's.

>In fact, the United States is actually well postured to survive, or ‘ride out,’ in nuclear war parlance, a nuclear strike. The United States is a large country, with a widely dispersed population. According to the Census Bureau in 2015, it has only ten cities whose populations exceed one million people. And 20 percent of its population lives in rural areas, distant from any realistic North Korean target. That is sixty million people. Residents of large cities like New York and Los Angeles are threatened, but much of the U.S. population is not. It is important to be honest about this.

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>>136624765
She really is.
>rewatching the anime
>rereading the LN's
>tfw no cute comfy gf like Kino to travel the states with
>tfw no comfy talking motorcycle to travel the states on
>tfw no motorcycle in general

i live in cali

how fucked i am?

>>136624862
I just wanna see us use our new stats on low-level enemies

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>shills acting like /pol/ hasn't wanted a nuclear happening since it began

>>136624847
They miniaturized the nukes (fuck that guy who told me they wouldn't/couldn't) and their missile technology has rapidly developed.

>>136624832
Good thing there will be no war, see
>>136624383

>>136624960
bake a /rwss/ thread for us
be a martyr

>>136624931
Boy I hope so, but sometimes a spade is a spade

>>136625017
Before or after the nukes?

>>136624948
Cringe

>>136624348

I am now officially off the Trump Train.

>normie libtards now side with NK over Trump

i'm starting to wish this entire nation gets glassed.

>>136624989
>that can fit on one of their ICBM's.
how long until its fitten on though ?

>>136625017
without regard to DPRK nukes, 100% fucked

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did you improve yourself today anons?

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>>136625017
F

>>136625017
Not as much as I'd like

>>136624931
>Kim has to either openly admit he's a rational actor and cuck out on the nuclear threats, or get nuked.
Kim is a rational actor and most everyone knows it. His philosophy is rooted deeply in historical studies that I will provide.

>>136624910
Nothing of the sort will happen, fortunately.

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>>136625048
Ayy we could preach about radiaton safety

>>136624868
>damage control
They are terrified. They shouldn't be, unless they live in SK.

>>136625028
>They miniaturized the nukes (fuck that guy who told me they wouldn't/couldn't) and their missile technology has rapidly developed.
I thought it would take longer but am not surprised they are already at this stage

>>136624739
Liberals are afraid of everything, except for muslims, blacks and actual real threats

Is their amygdala not working?

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>reposting

Thoughts on this flag? Based on the Caesar's Legion flag from Fallout

>>136624989
>Confirmed by US intel that they have miniaturized a nuke that can fit on one of their ICBM's.
>Confirmed by US intel
is it made out of aluminum tubes and strawberry shortcake?

>>136624948
>thinks muh college gives him better insight than the POTUS who actually knows what is going on

>>136624847
Well, Kim Jong Un is going on Dancing with the Stars with Milo as partner, with Trump judging the contest.

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Will we even win the war with North Korea? OF COURSE!

Right?

>>136624322
yay, more dying for israel

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>>136624583
kek they painted clouds on the drones

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What are the leafs up to lads?

>>136624275

Guys, we know next to nothing about the political climate or structure of the North Korean regime right now. They have blocked every country from reporting on what goes on within their borders, and they kill people who rat them out. It's shocking how little we know about them. For us to assume that they'd act in ANY particular way would be premature and irresponsible, given how little we actually know about how they run things over there. It could be a pissing contest between two nuclear capable nations OR....

It could be a crazy sycophant in his own golden palace surrounded by loyalists serving on fear of death, with his hand over the launch button as soon as he wakes up in a few hours. Either scenario is just as likely, that he'll do nothing (in the best interests of his people) or that he'll launch immediately (keeping in line with his regimes actions in the last few years). They're not a well established country, their diplomats are stubborn and refuse to compromise.

I have seen no evidence to suggest that North Korea acts rationally in the best interests of its nation, which perhaps explains why they've never been a major figure in the global political theater. As far as we can tell, from what little information we have, they're children screaming at the world for not treating them like adults while they throw temper tantrums over how they aren't allowed to play with their new toys.

>>136625155
>Kim is a rational actor and most everyone knows it. His philosophy is rooted deeply in historical studies that I will provide.
If this is the case (you never did last thread), then this marks the beginning of the end of their nuclear program.

>>136625214
underrated

>>136625192
Red an yellow is shit an will never remind of anything more than mcdonalds product placement.

>>136625077
Worse, you have lots of fans of communism and the North Korean regime here on /pol/. They are open anti-western anti-imperialist socialists.

>>136625177
They developed faster than most people thought and I am really happy to gloat that I am totally correct, they would get one this year.

>>136625278
He wants muh Nobel Peace Price

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>>136625170
t. physics grad here.
>don't even get me started.

>>136625278
Canada must also meet fire and fury.

>>136625287
They may freeze their nuclear program but they will never let go of it, one sec while I get the logic.

>>136625278
inb4 kidnapping

>>136625344
wouldn't be surprised if he's the next winner of one

>>136625278

He wants to show Kim his rainbow socks.

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>>136624347
>>136625305
It's based on SPQR standards you dumbass

>>136625017
Worse if you are not nuked

Who else here is entirely in favour of Trump destroying the Norks?

>>136625110
There should be an app that teaches you both how to SPEAK mandarin AND write the shit at the same time. I've been trying to learn chinese my entire life but now that I finally commit, I feel like I'm learning it incorrectly. DuoLingo doesn't even offer Mandarin, let alone pinyin. But I'll keep trying, like I always have.

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Who /midwest/ here?

pretty comfy here in the north

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>r/politics explains the real reason why Hillary lost

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>>136624595
>WTF I HATE FIGHTING BACK AGAINST A COUNTRY THAT IS LITERALLY ARMING NUCLEAR MISSILES AND DIRECTLY THREATENING TO NUKE US!!!
I get that CNN has a "thing" for hating everything Trump does, but how the fuck can anyone see this as a negative. This isn't another idle and baseless threat, they are literally attempting to arm ICBMs with nuclear missiles at this very moment.

I bet when Japan (or us) gets nuked the MSM will immediately blame Trump for threatening North Korea.

>>136625417
The US will never allow them to keep it long term. That's the entire basis of Trump's strategy towards North Korea. He's tired of us kicking the can down the road for the next administration to deal with. Full and permanent denuclearization is the only outcome that has Pyongyang still standing.

>>136625512
Cali would be 1000 times better to destroy. I think thats why Trump is egging Kim on.

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>>136625287
What Does North Korea Think of China's 'Dual Freeze' Proposal?

>North Korea might agree to a freeze, but actually dismantling its nuclear program is out of the question.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/what-does-north-korea-think-of-chinas-dual-freeze-proposal/

>Amid escalating tension on the Korean Peninsula following North Korea’s consecutive missile launches, Beijing proposed a new approach to resolve the situation: temporarily halting U.S.-South Korea large-scale joint military exercises in exchange for North Korea freezing its nuclear activities. Since Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi first proposed this new strategy on March 8, Beijing has continued to put forward the idea.

>For its part, North Korea seems willing to embrace the idea. “Under certain circumstances, we are willing to talk in terms of freezing nuclear testing or missile testing. For instance, if the American side completely stops big, large-scale military exercises temporarily or permanently, then we will also temporarily stop,” said Kye Chun-yong, the North Korean ambassador in India.

>Nevertheless, Beijing and Pyongyang hope to achieve different things through with the same proposal. While China views the “dual freeze” as an interim step for denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula, North Korea does not. Pyongyang asserts its nuclear weapons are only for deterrence purposes, as the country is confronted with imminent security threats posed by “imperialist America.”

>Pyongyang’s interpretation of the international situation in general and the United States’ intentions in particular can be clearly read by a book published by KCNA, White House’s Black Arrowhead. Unlike most North Korean books glamorizing its divine leaders and their ideas and achievements, this book is one of the few rare sources which enable us to view the world through their eyes.

>>136625110
I improved my bank account by going to work.

>>136624835

This. Nothing jacks up presidential popularity polls like the initial killing of a bunch of non-whites. It's also guarantee re-election in 2020 due to our history of rarely or never ousting sitting presidents during wartime.

VOTE IN THE STRAWPOLL ON NK
http://www.strawpoll.me/13660268
http://www.strawpoll.me/13660268
http://www.strawpoll.me/13660268

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>>136625547
Are you sure you want to do that?

>>136625547
cool after like 4 years of watching japine, I can almost understand portions of conversation daijo desuka.

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>>136624583
>long with the potentially devastating consequences for the region
don't care
>or millions of innocent civilians
don't care
>and for the global economy
the (((global))) economy
>and peace
lol fuck their peace
if they wanted peace then they could have reined in their pudgy little dictator

>>136625564
Albanians hacked the election?

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How is South Korea reacting to Trumps statement?

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>STOP RIGHT THERE GRUMPFKIN DID YOU JUST GET TWO SCOOPS ON YOUR ICE CREAM CONE?

What do you do /ptg/?

>>136625552

>/midwest/

YOU'RE GODDAMNED FUCKING RIGHT, SENPAI!

>>136625595
>f the American side completely stops big, large-scale military exercises temporarily or permanently, then we will also temporarily stop,” said Kye Chun-yong, the North Korean ambassador in India.
>permanent concessions for temporary games
There is no chance Trump plays ball on this. None.

>>136624994

Please Kim destroy the liberal strongholds.

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>>136625023
This 2bh

I want blood

>>136625564
>astroturfers blaming astroturfing

it's pottery really.

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>>136625192
base template

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>>136625301
hello eva

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>>136625614
I applied for a job so.
>you're like 10 steps ahead of me.

>>136625278
planning to send down the Canadian 1st Transforces to take Seattle when the Norks make their move

>>136625595
We cannot give in to his demands, we need to kill him and occupy his country ASAP.

>>136624647
If we took out NK leadership and China filled in the power vacuum, that would be a decent outcome.

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>>136625278
>What are the leafs up to lads?

>>136624934

Fuck off Feinstein.

8 years of appeasement made this NK threat possible

>>136625748

teleport behind him

>>136624948

>A faggot millennial with an Arts degree would be better suited to diplomacy. This fucking idiot must have fell for the pamphlet his local college was pushing. If you really wanted to work in international diplomacy you would have become a lawyer.

>>136625695
get the memri tv picture.

>>136625743
They were heard to say, "Ching chong chang ching gangnam style chong."

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OH SHIT!

IT'S ON!

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>>136625748
2 scoops? I don't see 2 scoops. You must be hallucinating, anon. Don't know what you're talking about.

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>>136625547
No one wants a Korean war, as we have already said. Just go back to you during the Syria nonsense freaking out about an American invasion and think for two seconds.

>>136625589
They will likely have no choice due to the extraordinary cost of war in the Koreas. They will not allow denuclearization because they know that would be the end of them. See
>>136625595


>>136625689
Well the fact of the matter is that the Trump administration knows the cost of such an outcome and is avoiding it.

>>136625743
Koreans are not happy about the NK regime so they will be happy to see the US standing up and saying it will meet security agreements.

>>136625798
Not going to happen, he isn't making any demands. You aren't paying attention to the situation at all.

>>136625804
They aren't going to do that though, the Chinese are happy so long as NK doesn't provoke war. They haven't been good recently but not bad enough.

Bret is comfy

>>136625937
>No one wants a Korean war, as we have already said. Just go back to you during the Syria nonsense freaking out about an American invasion and think for two seconds.
meant for
>>136625512
Sorry

>>136625921
Deus Volt

>>136625349

Watch out guys this makes mustard gas.

>>136625096
>how long until its fitten on though ?

Unknown. Might be already there. Only real way to answer that question, unfortunately, is for him to use one.

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>>136625595
>The book stresses that Washington “is imminently making preparations for the second Korean War, not only through large-scale armed forces, but also through other various means including diplomacy, ideology, culture, and economy.”

>Dismantlement of its nuclear program, however, is another story; doing so would expose the North to “American imperialism” without any deterrence capability.

>Pyongyang’s commentary justifying its fourth nuclear test in January 2017 made this point clear, by stating, “The Hussein regime in Iraq and the Gaddafi regime in Libya, after surrendering to the pressure from the U.S. and the West which were attempting to subvert their regime, could not avoid the fate of doom as a consequence of … giving up their nuclear program.” Depicting the international community as a jungle in which only the strongest can survive, the commentary added, “History demonstrates that powerful nuclear deterrence serves as the strongest treasured sword for frustrating outsiders’ aggression and for protecting national peace and security.”

>This perception is what makes Pyongyang so obsessed with nuclear weapons. North Korea, based on its interpretation of its security environment, has long shown an almost visceral animosity toward the joint military exercises, which it says is “a dress rehearsal for an invasion.” Thus, when discussing the joint military exercise with U.S. congressman Gary Ackerman in 1993, “Great Leader’s [Kim Il-sung’s] voice quivered and his hands shook with anger.”

>Due to this perception of imminent threat and a firm belief in indispensability of nuclear deterrence as a counter-balancing means, in North Korea’s view freezing its nuclear program is not a stepping stone for denuclearization, but a mere tool to mitigate security threats. Unless this perception gap is narrowed down, Pyongyang is highly unlikely to forswear its nuclear program even if the United States and South Korea decide to suspend their joint military exercises.

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FUGGGGGGG

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>>136625349

>>136626027
maybe if you filled the fucking can with stupid shit like chlorine salts and water.

I hope Kim is a rational actor

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>>136625921
God doesn't real

>>136625552
Shenandoah valley, VA... Already got my fallout trench dug though.

>>136624165
>>136625653
OP, to prevent any confusion on baking, could you please be sure to announce if you are baking around 280 posts before you do? It prevents thread splitting and confusion.

>>136625547
Pleco for flashcards (download from flashcard exchange on their website), Skritter for writing (get a stylus). Watch YouTube videos on the basics of grammar, supplement with pleco vocabulary, and write when you're bored.

>learned mandarin 2 years ago to almost fluency
>hate it with a passion
Consider my experience.

>>136625614
I like you. I kill you never.

>>136626150
>Guam
And nothing of value was lost.

>>136626150
red line is crossed!

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>>136625467
This is entirely plausible.

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>>136624165
Why do liberals always pose like this for pictures?
Are they autistic?

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>>136626238
He is, fortunately.

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>>136626150

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WAROOS!
REPORT IN!

>>136626150
THE YELLOW DEVIL KNOWS SHUT IT DOWN

>>136625937
>They will likely have no choice due to the extraordinary cost of war in the Koreas.
The entire basis of US foreign policy since 1945 is that cost is irrelevant so long as we keep the contiguous USA, Alaska, and Hawaii safe from foreign attack. North Korea lacks MAD (meaning a nuclear first strike against them remains an option) and is publicly threatening to nuke the west coast of the US. A "pause" or a "freeze" or a "hiatus" changes none of the key factors here.

>>136626150
OLD news. That was before Trump said his thing you stupid faggot

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>>136625653
Nice datamine GCHQ

>>136626238
He isn't, its on!

>>136626150
WOOOOOOW


This is gonna be a fun night. Trumps comments all makes sense now.

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>>136626150
>NK threatens to be in target range of California
>reports say they have missiles with nukes in them
>Trump comments
>NK cowers down and threatens to attack Guam

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>>136626150

>>136625743
They're a bunch of fucking commies. They'd join NK in a heartbeat.

>>136626326
I figure this is a play for more foreign aid or something, but there's the chance he is crazy

>>136626261
No problem

>>136624533
He's been gone a while, what year did he die?

>>136625885
Hahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmclgO6w0C0

>>136626310

How are pasta niggers so high up? They never come off as particularly intelligent.

>>136626190
>radiation goes in the can.
>causes ions to hit the middle part.
>causes a spike because those circle things amplify the signal
>you count how many little ticks it makes per seconds.
>lots of ticks means your dying so GTFO
simple as pie

>>136624948
>kikes are mad
What's now. Also that's not a real degree

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>new video
>grilled gook is on the menu
>sold a bunch of stuff on CL and eBay at once
>have a few days off and I'm fairly drunk because I've been drinking all day on an empty stomach
Today was a good day

>>136626150
they have also said they will destroy the entire United States in nuclear hellfire, so saying they would strike Guam is less than their usual threats

>>136626288
We have a large base there for Pacific contingencies.

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>>136626381
That's not at all true, we had been pursuing a policy of containment. The US did not engage in wars that had too high a cost. I will provide another article that may provide some perspective, the Chinese acquisition of ICBMs and nukes.

>>136626480
The west doesn't provide any aid at all to NK anymore, since they artillery attacked South Korea all that time ago.

Unfortunately war lust has clouded everyone's eyes. It's why the neocons get power over and over. Morons always outnumber rationality.

There's not going to be war in Korea. There's nothing to win and no one wants to deal with the fallout, those terms alone determine that all this hubbub is just talk. Trump is merely trying to accelerate the process of bluster until Kim Jong Un decides it's not worth it anymore. It's literally just a game of shit talking chicken.

Anyone who thinks Trump or the US will benefit from a Korean War is kidding themselves. The North Korean nuclear program is their MAD deterrent, made essential after Obongo proved to the world through his idiocy that giving in to Western demands on weaponry was a chump move, as shown by Gaddafi getting knifed in the ass on nightly news. The North Koreans will not give up their nukes under threat and in any serious aggression against them will likely not hold back in their use. And even ignoring that fact, the odds of China intervening and reaching Pyongyang first are vastly higher than the US.

There's nothing to win, there's no way to win, and quite frankly the fact that so many here are just going with the war drums is embarrassing. Trump is using rhetoric to bring about de escalation, the same way he's negotiated all his life. You'd think this of all places would realize that by now.

>>136624556
HNNNNNNG

If dubels, bay area vaporized. If tripels, all of California

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>>136626351
AWOO

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>Barnie socialist wing vs. Kamela Harris Proud Black Women wing
>FITE FITE FITE!!!

>>136626495
06, Lung Cancer

Alex Jones will make a killing selling those packages of water filters and survival kits with those solar energy units.
He should start selling other radaways besides iodine.

>>136625937
>the Chinese are happy so long as NK doesn't provoke war. They haven't been good recently but not bad enough.
They are putting nuclear warheads onto ICBMs and directly threatening to nuke everyone around them. This isn't a fucking game anymore; you are acting like this is yet another "WE GO WAR NOW, KILL PIGGU!" but this is nuclear mobilization in preparation for a nuclear war.
>costs of war
>costs
Hmmmmm, nuclear bombs being fired into cities vs gooks dying from gunfire... tough choice!

>>136626630
I guess you should remove 'more' then

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Daily reminder that Mueller is /ourguy/

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this statement was issued before Trump's warning

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>>136625921
I'd rather her what the Top God has to say

>>136626580
Gookisbackonthemenusboyz.png

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>>136626351
CRY AWOO! AND LET SLIPS THE MOMIJIS OF WAR!

>>136626746

>tfw I live in an Empire

Sweet.

>>136626670
>They are putting nuclear warheads onto ICBMs and directly threatening to nuke everyone around them. This isn't a fucking game anymore; you are acting like this is yet another "WE GO WAR NOW, KILL PIGGU!" but this is nuclear mobilization in preparation for a nuclear war.
They aren't preparing for nuclear war, they see it as essential to maintaining their independence and think that if they give it up they will end up like Syria, Ukraine, or Libya who all persued nukes and remained stable when doing that but collapsed when they gave it up.

>>136626726
That is what they are doing, they put in huge sanctions.

>>136626480
The age of saber-rattling in return for aid is long gone, NK now views its nuclear capability as a deterrent from any foreign power intervening in their affairs. Understanding their "Juche" philosophy really helps in seeing where they're coming from. They believe that total self-sufficiency is king, and that if they become a fully functional nuclear power they will be left alone by the international community to conduct affairs as they see fit.

They're wrong, of course, because nobody will accept them as a nuclear power - but that is their thinking and end goal.

>>136626652
Just secede and become EFF

>>136626738
>career swamp monster
>our guy

How?

>>136626150
>we lose Guam
>in exchange for millions of fried commies, plus countless Chinese poisoned by fallout

Seems like a fair trade to me

>>136626746
They aren't seeking to attack though, fortunately. They want to avoid a Korean war if at all possible.
>>136624928

>>136626288
My jap idols go there for photoshoots.

Guys, Trump still has to go through the United Nations before reacting to filthy Norks. This is going to be a long drawn-out process even if SoCal is bombed by Kim because global international persuasion from the Saudi Arabic chairman on human rights.

Dez caught it.

>>136626746
The only ones who will suffer is EU, which is fine because fuck them all.

>>136626150
Time to remember the basics of CQC.

>Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit will indict Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s wife Sara for diverting public money to her private housekeeping expenses to the tune of hundreds of thousands of shekels in state funds, Channel 2 reported on Monday.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/08/08/attorney-general-to-indict-sara-netanyahu/

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>Appearing at an event at his Bedminster, N.J., golf club, where Trump is on a 17-day “working vacation,” he said that “North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.”

>“They will be met with fire and fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before,” Trump said,

>Trump’s comments Tuesday came at an event focused on the country’s opioid crisis. After he finished opening remarks on that subject, he was asked by a reporter about North Korea. Trump sat back in his seat, arms folded and looked straight into the cameras as he made his comments.

I really do love my president

>>136626630
>That's not at all true, we had been pursuing a policy of containment
Containment assumes MAD. There is no MAD, so there is no containment. Even ISIS has been moved from "contain" to "annihilate."

>>136627011
America is at war with North Korea

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>>136626976
noooo Guam dindu nuffin. They are very conservative with lots of nice servicemen.

>>136625682
I can understand some phrases in Japanese but I have the common decency to feel ashamed of my high school weeaboo phase.

My interest in Chinese culture basically predates sentient thought for me. I'm not learning for any practical application, just for me. I watch their movies enough to wish that I didn't have to drop what I'm doing to read the subtitles the entire time. But its for me, not so much my career. Its a lifelong goal to learn this language so thats what I'm going to do. Ive also wanted to learn piano my entire life too, but I'm working on that one as well. Theres just so many things you always wanted to do but never actually commit to doing in life. I'm tired of that. Lifes too short, and if I want to do it I should just go ahead and do it already. Shit or get off the pot.

>>136625674
still reading this, will comment when I'm done. intriguing for sure.

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They're bullying Pickle
This can not be allowed

>>136627011
>Guys, Trump still has to go through the United Nations before reacting to filthy Norks. This is going to be a long drawn-out process even if SoCal is bombed by Kim because global international persuasion from the Saudi Arabic chairman on human rights.
We won't go through the UN if we are struck first

>>136624429
>Trump is responsible for north Korea
Learn some history nigger

>>136627011
the Korean war technically never ended

>>136627011
>Trump still has to go through the United Nations before reacting to filthy Norks.
No he doesn't. The USA is still officially at war with North Korea.

>>136627011
No he doesn't. If their actions threaten the US or any American territory he has the power to unilaterally defend our interests.

>>136624426

In war time, it's easier to get people to accept sacrifices to personal comfort. That is why NK is continuously faking threats and posturing. Pretend war to distract the populace.

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>>136626995
Can you make anymore fashy Trump OC? I love these

>>136627011
> Trump still has to go through the United Nations
Trump wouldn't cross the street to piss on the UN if it was on fire unless it supported another one of his policy agendas.

>>136627113
They can all be evacuated and relocated to one of our other countless useless Pacific islands. Or better yet, let's save Guam and let Hawaii get nuked

>>136627093
>Containment assumes MAD. There is no MAD
There is, NK has WMDs. They are still seeking containment in the modern era, I'm getting that article about Chinese obtaining nukes for some perspective.

>>136627011
No, they don't the US and SK troops are ready to attack NK at any time. They don't need approval from anyone. NK is still at war with SK and the US.

>>136626150
Will they tip over?

>>136627081
>tfw Trump is operating from a golf course because they don't let jews in there

>>136624835


thanks to Norm's podcast I learned that Gook comes from the Korean War
the solders would encounter Koreans saying "Me Gook. Me Gook" everywhere they went

apparently it's a word in Korea that means American

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2 genders, 2 scoops, 2 F's (fire/fury) and 2 terms

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>>136627229
Yeah I'll do one

>>136624429
Why do you think that a brief war with North Korea is WW3? It isn't. That's not a world war.

>>136626880
Syria, Ukraine, and Libya were not constantly launch test missiles at their neighbors while also boasting about how they will nuke them. Your entire premise hinges on the possibility that North Korea is not being serious about any of these threats to "destroy" their enemies while building nuclear weapons, and I hope to God you end up being right or millions of innocent civilians are going to die due to our inaction.

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Other Race Map by County

(has the German-bro interested in this gone to bed yet, or is he still here?)

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>>136626667
>getting trump into office and starting a war with NK is just part of a scheme to sell more water filter

>>136627147
So it's ok for bakers to refuse anyone who likes Trump but it's not to refuse service to a fag couple? Why don't these fucking cucks ever sue these companies like niggers and fags and kikes do all the goddamn time

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>>136626150
>>136627295
Good question.
We need to get the bottom of this.

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Today's Nuclear North Korea Is Yesterday's China: Lessons From History

>North Korea isn’t the first Asian communist state to acquire a nuclear ICBM capability of concern to the United States.

http://thediplomat.com/2017/08/todays-nuclear-north-korea-is-yesterdays-china-lessons-from-history/

>North Korea’s recent successful intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) tests have put Pyongyang on the cusp of having the means to credibly threaten the continental United States with a nuclear strike. The Trump administration has vowed to “not allow” North Korea to continue on its “destructive path” but so far has not put forth specific new policies to stop Pyongyang. Since the latest test, several senior administration officials have stepped up their rhetoric, labeling the DPRK as the most urgent threat facing the United States and stating that it is “unimaginable” to allow North Korea to have the capability to attack the U.S. mainland.

>As U.S. policymakers ponder how to deal with North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs, it is important to remember that we are not in uncharted territory. The United States found itself in a similar situation more than 50 years ago, when faced with the prospect of Maoist China going nuclear. Then as now, experts questioned if rational decision makers were behind the nuclear controls of a reclusive communist state and military options — no matter how risky — were seriously considered. Despite initially having great fears about the prospect of a nuclear China, both the Kennedy and the Johnson administrations came to realize that China’s modest nuclear arsenal failed to alter the underlying balance of power in East Asia or undermine the confidence of U.S. allies in the credibility of Washington’s security guarantees. And even though nuclear-armed China continued to champion global revolutionary causes and provide direct military assistance to North Vietnam against the United States

>>136627399
Oklahoma.

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>>136627303
>mfw Norm's AIDS story

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>>136627399
>Oklahoma all red
Truly our state

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>>136625674
>Chinese were turbo-Jews on steroids
this phrase has me laffin like mad

>>136627385
That's because they gave up their nuclear and missile tests. Inaction would mean no one dies outside of NK. NK doesn't want to go to war because they would lose, they need to make any attempt at war Pyrrhic, which a nuke achieves.

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>>136627364
I keep looking for pics you can use but they're either too small or have these watermarks in the damn way

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>>136627399

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>>136627528
Link?

>>136627285
>There is, NK has WMDs.
That doesn't mean shit given their low quantities. MAD is the assumption that no first strike can completely obliterate the enemy's nuclear retaliatory capabilities, and that a second strike will cause severe damage. The situation in NK isn't MAD because they don't yet have a retaliatory strike that can reach the US. Korean and Japanese lives are of secondary concern here.

grilled gook?

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>>136627470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Pdob5J3Yo

>>136627606
I got one

>>136627399
I'm guessing Indians/ native Americans

>>136627470

Romney narrowly won Other Race voters in Oklahoma in 2012 as it is. Trump made big gains in Eastern Oklahoma, which is where most of the Natives live.

>>136626150

They won't do it.

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>>136627606
Eh

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>>136627303
>Gook comes from the Korean War

>>136626609
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>136627681

YES PLEASE

>>136627435
>Chinese rhetoric on nuclear weapons gradually moderated and began to show evidence of calculated restraint vis-à-vis the United States

A Rogue China

>In December of 1960, the U.S. National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) warned that, “[China’s] arrogant self-confidence, revolutionary fervor, and distorted view of the world may lead [Beijing] to miscalculate risks. This danger would be heightened if Communist China achieved a nuclear weapons capability.” Revolutionary fervor aside, the same assessment could be written about North Korea today. North Korea continues to be one of the most isolated regimes in the world, run by the mercurial Kim Jong-un. In addition, the country engages in kidnappings and assassinations, hurls utterly bizarre imprecations against the United States, and regularly threatens preemptive nuclear strikes against South Korea. When observing North Korea from afar it is easy to mistake it for an exceptional case of obdurate despotism.

>As the NIE suggests, however, the same rogue state description fit the profile of China in the 1960s. Throughout the decade, Chinese leaders routinely dismissed the dangers of nuclear war and would stress the inevitable victory of the “people’s war” against U.S. imperialism and Soviet revisionism. At the same time, Chinese leaders greatly exaggerated the capabilities of their own nuclear program and downplayed the risks posed by potential counter force strikes against the Chinese mainland.

>In reality, China’s belligerent rhetoric was a strategic bluff to compensate for the great disparity between China and the two superpowers in nuclear capabilities. When looking today at uncannily similar boasts by North Korean state press that their country is now “a strong nuclear power state” and has “a very powerful ICBM that can strike any place in the world” it is important to remember that North Korea continues to have a small nuclear arsenal...

>>136627634
No wonder women can't make videogames

>>136627681
oh no, that sucks

>>136627681
oh no that sucks
good thing trump's immigration policy exists decades later and deals with a completely different set of problems

oh wait I forgot everything is the holocaust

>>136627681

Kurt is mentally ill. His family needs to intervene.

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>>136627725
Well someone did make this way back during the campaign

>>136627669
>That doesn't mean shit given their low quantities
It means a lot, it means that they can really really harm enemies. I know it is not full MAD but SK and NK would both be annihilated possibly. It is MAD in that sense.

>>136625017
You're alright.

Don't go to LA or San Francisco tomorrow.

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>>136627729
>although nigger was more prevalent
Flipnigs BTFO

>>136624322
Honestly Norks are likely to be bombed so hard there is no one left to garrison

>>136627681

Wait a minute. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Hitler give kikes ample time to leave the country? Or am I not remembering this aspect correctly? I could have sworn he also financially helped the kikes leave as well.

>>136624165
House Trump
Sigil: a Lion
Words: Fire and Fury

>>136627710

Them, Pacific Islanders, Mixed-Race, Quadroons, and Octoroons

>>136624165

>intern

that bitch looks 35years old, what the fuck

>>136627634
Just look up Norm McDonald Live on Youtube, its around the middle of his Bobby Lee interview

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g-g-guys?

>>136627729
>proving him right

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>>136627793
These cute lesbians do just fine making vidya.

>>136627971
fuck outta here with your game of womyn references

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>>136627706
>I got one

Alright. Thanks.

>>136627865
Who cares? That doesn't mean anything in the face of an ICBM pointed at the continental US.

>>136627848
>stuxnet ssh keys
this is so cringy it makes me feel bad for him.

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>>136628019
stab them all

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>>136628013
>China's face right now

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>>136627770
>...has no second strike capability, and will never be able to shift the military power balance in the region on its own. North Korean saber rattling is a screen to deflect from the regime’s weakness and fear of the future.

North Korea’s Nuclear Doctrine

>The DPRK does not have a publicly available official nuclear doctrine, which leaves analysts the sole option of piecing together a strategy from open-source statements. Kim Jong-un has spoken about the importance of breaking the “nuclear monopoly” held by the United States. Pyongyang has stated that it has a “no first use” policy and that it is in favor of complete global disarmament. Despite the “no first use” language, North Korea has repeatedly threatened to use nuclear weapons in preventive strikes against either the United States or South Korea. Since pulling out of the Six Party Talks, North Korea has effectively rejected efforts to denuclearize the North Korean peninsula.

>North Korea’s commentary on nuclear weapons closely parallels China’s official positions on nuclear weapons during the 1960s. Following China’s first nuclear test in 1964, Beijing also stressed three points: China’s goal for developing nuclear weapons was “to break the superpower monopoly;” China holds a “no first use” policy; and that China supports the complete elimination of nuclear weapons. Despite the cautious public stance, China was vehemently opposed to the Limited Test Ban Treaty (LTBT) and did not moderate its hostile position toward nonproliferation until its nuclear program reached a more mature stage in the 1970s. China’s record suggests that North Korea is purposely adopting a hostile stance to compensate for the overall weakness of the North Korean arsenal.

>>136628013
That is why Trump made that recent statement, this was before this.

>>136627793
Whores can't into anything, so its not surprising.

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>>136627755

BAKING

>>136628221
hopefully not, nobody likes british food

>>136628142
>That is why Trump made that recent statement, this was before this.
Guam statement was afterwards, they made their usual "if you attack us we will end the american empire with our superior might" statement earlier

>>136624165
Shouldn't interns be horrified of Joe?

>>136624835
Samsung sucks
NK WAR NOW

>>136628221
should I put a kettle on then?

>>136625226
>North Korea is dying for Israel
Man you people are dense

Never trust BritJoe to bake

>>136628289
Then they deserve to be scorched then.

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>>136628134
>John F. Kennedy viewed a potential Chinese nuclear test as “likely to be historically the most significant and worst event of the 1960s.” The Kennedy Administration was so concerned about the specter of a nuclear China that every measure from direct U.S. strikes to parachuting Chinese Nationalist commandos from Taiwan was considered.

>Kennedy was hardly alone in his fears that a nuclear China was the greatest threat to world peace. As the Cultural Revolution unfolded, the U.S. Navy was concerned that China would quickly gain submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) technology and would launch them in a way to fake a Soviet strike, triggering a global nuclear war.

>If China’s nuclear program did not pose a serious threat to the United States in the 1960s, then there is even less reason to fear North Korea’s today. Even with improvements in North Korean missile capabilities, the United States and its allies still enjoy an overwhelming military and economic advantage over the North. Just as during the 1960s, the United States simply needs to be public and credible in its reassurances to its regional allies and partners. Any North Korean effort to split the U.S.-ROK alliance will fail if the United States continues to provide a broad security guarantee to South Korea. As long as the Trump administration continues to offer its public support to Japan, Tokyo too will feel that there is no need for drastic action.

>Lastly the United States needs to forcefully come out against the linkage of the North Korean nuclear question with unrelated issues in the U.S.-China relationship to address Taiwanese concerns that Washington will trade away the de facto independence of the island in exchange for Chinese assistance in reigning in North Korea.

>>136624165
HAPPENING

HAPPENING

>>136627790
>>136627790
>>136627790

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>>136628389
> It has become clear that either due to a lack of leverage or deliberate unwillingness, Beijing will not apply the necessary level of pressure to compel Pyongyang to reverse course. The United States should not fall into the trap of expanding the scope of talks in the hope of eliciting additional Chinese cooperation on North Korea.

>After the 1964 Chinese nuclear test, President Johnson used trade controls and extra intelligence monitoring to slow down the pace of China’s nuclear development. Despite continued apprehension, the U.S. learned to live with China’s nuclear program. This was made possible in large part due to swift and credible U.S. reassurances to key regional allies such as Japan. Over time, as Chinese leaders decided to shift strategies and pursue greater engagement with the Western world, China’s nuclear positions underwent a gradual evolution. North Korea is not China, but a similar policy of strategic patience combined with robust security assurances to South Korea and Japan is the best bet for getting North Korea back to the negotiating table. The alternative is untenable.

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>>136628332
gooks are based and white guise

>>136628404
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>>136628404
NEW THREAD
NEW LIFE

>>136624934
> future is female
females let NK keep their nukes...

>>136625674
All done reading. Definitely an eye opener for sure, but I'm disabled so I don't foresee a time when my job would try to ship me over to China to handle all that corrupt bureaucracy. I had no idea it had gotten so bad over there as of late. It's a capitalist's wet dream, sounds like.

I mean I HAVE always wanted to learn Russian too but just not as much. But a friend of mine had to move to Russia recently for work and he said it's almost as bad if not worse there. Their infrastructure is shit right now after the ruble collapsed, and he says that it's slipping into a mini version of a post apocalyptic wasteland. Natives flocking en masse to escape the regime thats running everything into the ground.
>so i hear
>dont quote

>>136627011
>Guys, Trump still has to go through the United Nations before reacting to filthy Norks
HAHA

Good joke my friend!

>>136627716
All those mestizos with white fathers probably.