Why does /pol/ defend capitalism?

Because it's correct

Because it works everywhere it's tried.

>>136605131
because it's the only type of economy that works and doesn't need big government to put a gun to your head to make sure you're following the rules.

surprisingly people like freedom

>>136605131
because it is not niggers

Oh no a system based on wanting to gather wealth.

Capitalism is great because it fuels innovation an creation, something a commie wouldn't understand.

>>136605131
what are you going to defend venezuela? commie russia? china? nooo dude noo

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>>136605131
I don't.

It's the most compassionate system of government.

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>>136605131
Why does /pol/ defend racism and hatred of trannies trying to live healthy lives

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>>136605533
But my neighbour has more money than me.

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>>136605695
>a Chilean doesn't defend capitalism
WTF is wrong with you?

>>136605533
Not everywhere. How about countries that never been communist but are still poor?

Because I like private property.

Communists need their necks snapped.

>>136605957
not real capitalism

>>136605131
Why is OP such a faggot?

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>>136605957
>How about countries that never been communist but are still poor?
They tend to be regulated as shit. The more economically free a nation is, the more economically prosperous it is.

>>136605131
Because /pol/ likes to be poor wage slave niggers rather then middle class.
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>>136606136
What good little goys you are. The elite you espouse to hate loves your obedience. Tell me though since you are so familiar with sucking it, what does Wall Street's cock taste like after it gets pulled out of your ass daily?
>>136606074
>implying property can only be owned in a capitalist system
idiot

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>>136605131
Because it makes me money. At some point you just have to stop pretending to be a victim, begging for handouts, expecting the world to owe you everything, and just go out there and get what you want.

Commies are so fucking beta it's pathetic.

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>>136605931
Capitalism it's nowhere near a perfect ideology.

I feel no need to support an inferior society.

>>136605957
Usually full of niggers or other brown undesirables

>>136605131
What /pol/ doesn't realize is where we are today is the natural end result of capitalism. Rich people lobbying for communist policies that make everyone else poorer.

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>>136605615
So if you don't like capitalism you're a communist?

Because communism is theft

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>>136606395
>Capitalism it's nowhere near a perfect ideology.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Capitalism doesn't create a magical utopia but it sure as shit beats out every other system that has been tried.

>>136606560
Yes. Anything other than capitalism is childish "GIVE ME THAT EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T EARN IT" pleb-tier nonsense.

>>136606931
I just find it kind of ironic how so many people on /pol/ defend Hitler when his main thing was getting rid of capitalism and implementing socialism even if that meant invading other European countries to force it onto them

>>136605131
because burgers only know capitalism and socialism and think there's no alternative

>>136607106
>when his main thing was getting rid of capitalism and implementing socialism
No, his main thing was getting rid of jews and commies

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>>136607265
whatever you say dude

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>>136607106
The jewish banks gave him a scenario he could not win so he said fuck you and created his own economy to get his country and people out of poverty and become a world power in just 5 years.

>>136605131
Capitalism is the natural extension of the idea that people can own property. All other economic models contradict that idea or dismiss it entirely.

>>136606307
hahaha wtf all the wolrd is equallt corrupt. Europe and US are jew corrupt.

It's closer to the concept of evolution more than communism is.
People compete for resources, some win and some lose.
There's no lovey-dovey save everyone, everyone is equal bullshit in nature. You either adapt to the competition or your genes die out.

>>136607451
maybe he tried to impose hitlerism

>>136607451
yes, one quote, that definitely makes it his "main thing". No, commies and jews were definitely his main focus.

>>136606228
You like penis
Check these digits

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>>136606669
I disagree, I believe that just like any other dominant ideology it overstimates it's reach and influence.

>>136606228
Triggered pinko fag detected.

>>136607784
Fucking open a book dipshit
Hitler talked about capitalism being evil all the time

>>136606228
I am middle class bitch boy

>>136605615
private sector in venezuela is still 65-70% of the economy, not socialist at all

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>>136607884
It's not even really about its reach and influence, it's about every other ideology being so self-destructive that they can never get off the ground.

Capitalism might not be perfect but it's the best system we can come up with. Capitalism rewards strategic thinking, creativity, intelligence and smart risk taking. The problems begin when the elites take advantage of it by colluding with governments. All problems we are facing today are the results of what happens when a very small number of people hoards up a vast percentage of wealth because the system is rigged by them. The biggest red pill about capitalism is that human nature itself won't let it work. If you still think you are living in capitalist societies think again.

>>136605131
Were all secretly Jews. In reality there's like 20 people who post here, we set up bots to make you think there were other goyim. Welcome to the club

Because capitalism didn't cause millions of people to starve to death

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>>136608140
They seem to be doing well for themselves.

>Not true anti capitalism.

>>136606931
i dont get it? best i know, socialism is just worker ownership of the means of production. how does that equal gibsmedats??

if anything, you should critique social democratic states for that instead of any ideology other than capitalism

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>>136605131
cuz it's good when you can buy many different things which aren't availabe in communism, like food.

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>>136608529
>They seem to be doing well for themselves.
Who? Who's "they"?

Harnessing greed and competitiveness productively? Yes please.
And no, it's not perfect. Some government regulation and socialist services are necessary. Suck it ancaps.

>>136605131
because National SOCIALISM is shit.

>>136605131

Capitalism is the worst economic system on earth, except for all of the other ones.

>>136606560
The narrative right now is capitalism vs communism.

Besides what type of arguments would an anarchist have against a capitalist? A libertarian? A fascist?

Libertarians, fascists, and anarchists are very few and far between and you barely ever hear from them to begin with.

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>>136608624
The anti capitalist movements.

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>>136605131
it is the better looking side of the jewcoin, people would rather be fat than starving

Remember right-fags, who did fund lgbt, feminists and Hillary? Normal people? Small companies? No, big international corporations like Google and rich people like George Soros. That´s why we should have all businessmen under state control.

>>136609303
Body builders are a result of capitalism

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>>136609148
Really? Cause they seem to be doing absolutely terrible to me. The only nation on Earth that hasn't embraced some measure of capitalism yet is North Korea.

>>136609480
Yes, but fascism would force people to get into shape.

it's less about capitalism and massive FAE about certain people they dislike and lots of spite

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>>136609576
>Having bankers means that you embraced capitalism.

Bet you think minimal wage it's a commie plot.

>>136605957
niggers

>>136605131
Every alternative has shown to be a worse failure then capitalism.

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>>136609480
This is the ideal male body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.

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>>136609824
>Having bankers means that you embraced capitalism.
Who said anything about bankers?

>>136609625
We already live under Fascism, corporate fascism

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>>136609303
That guy on the right is Steve Reeves, a capitalist.

>>136609480
how.
do i have to trade stock in the free market to train my body ?
does lifting iron proceed to build my capital ?
you just need a good nationwide promotion of healthy values and food.
swedens good att that, burgers are good att transfats in everything etc

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>>136610067
Believe or not there's still nations without Mcdonalds or bankers.

But they are closing on them as we speak, the free man must be exterminated and only profitable humans shall survive.

>>136605131

Communism is atheistic, materialistic Christianity:

>The Garden of Eden

Primitive Communism, where man was free and had no hierarchy, rules, or oppression.

>The Original Sin

When man realized he was fundamentally unequal, and organized society based on this. Man was cast then from his paradise to a hellscape of oppression and misery.

>Prophet

Karl Marx and his doctrines, bringing synthesis to the Gospels of Hegel and Feurbach to give to man the materialist truth about society, and their path to salvation.

>Being saved.

To go on the path to a Materialistic Heaven on Earth, one must be saved. They must acknowledge the holy truths of Dialectical Materialism, Class Struggle, and Exploitation, and struggle against or convert those who do not see the light.

>Martyrs

The foul heretics and pagans of society will kill those who try to spread the gospel, and lead them to salvation. The revolutionaries, writers, and trade unionists will be martyrs to the struggle in the future utopia.

Society will make it hard to be a good, pious communist. For the temptations of capitalism so entice them.

>Sin

Man is burdened by the sins of, greed, false consciousness and false identities, imposed by him by the evil upper class. He must repent and fight them to save himself.

>The Apocalypse

As foretold in the prophecy of dialectical materialism, capitalism nears its end, or Late Stage, its contradictions will pile upon one another. A great battle will ensue against the forces of good and evil, where good emerges victorious.

>The New Jerusalem

Man shall finally be free of the burdens of capitalism, exploitation, and difference. No longer will he be oppressed. He will be within a conflict-free land with no borders, classes, hierarchies or false distinctions. He will live in post-scarcity bounty like in Star Trek, free to pursue his true self.

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>>136611041
>Believe or not there's still nations without Mcdonalds or bankers.
North Korea?

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>>136606669
Read Paul Einzig's 'The Economics of Fascism' and get back to us.

>>136605131
Because they never read the communist manifesto, otherwise they'd know that they had always been communists already.

Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

>http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html

>>136611117
This is the best argument for Communism I've read.

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>>136605131

>Be /pol/
>Support big capitalist cock
>Big capitalist cock opens borders
>Wages suppressed, b/c Brown people worth for .25 an hour
>Americans refuse to work for slave wage
>Capitalist cock calls Americans lazy
>Capitalists bring in more Brown people to work for bowl of rice a day
>Whites now a minority

Also

>Be /pol/
>Support getting capitalist cock
>Capitalist buy all politicians
>Capitalists push for diversity
>Capitalists buy all of media
>Capitalists manipulate public opinion into supporting open borders, homosexual marriage, consumerism
>Capitalists destroy nature and dump sewage into water ways so when you swim in nature, you end up with a staph inflection
>Can't afford healthcare b/c capitalists through lobbying and manipulation of public opinion get government subsidies which raises prices on everything
>Capitalists subvert every single institution of society to advance their financial interests
>Capitalists destroy traditionalism and agrarianism

/pol/ loves taking the capitalist BBC

>>136608113
The private sector in venezuela is 0% of the economy.

>>136606931
That sounds like an argument by an intelligent adult. Just kidding. You sound like an 18 year old plebbitor that just read Ayn Rand.

>>136605131
Because it gave me money.
I am literally a paid shill.
What are (you) doing with your life commie?

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>>136612021
>Capitalist buy all politicians
There's your problem, you need to get rid of the politicians.

>>136612021
This

>>136611284
If slave salesmen were smart, they would've pre-castrated their merchandise, who needs to buy more slaves when you can just breed new ones.

>>136611786
>hurr we have 2 factories making tire
>state steps in, closes one factory because 2 would be inefficient
>people starve
fascism is just crypto communism

>>136606931
>EARN IT
Sounds spooky

>>136612021
>capitalists
No, that's called jews.

>>136612162
Not an argument

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>>136611786
I have a bit of a hard time taking the ideology that has never lasted beyond its first leader seriously.

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>>136611284
Our native communities still live like they used to.

They act as constant reminder that capitalism it's not ever reaching and has more than enough problems convicing himself of it's own relevance.

Because the average person is indoctrinated with capitalist propaganda from birth and has no way of realizing it. It's pretty stupid that so many people here defend capitalism, but you have to remember that most of /pol/ comes from a middle or upper class background, so they have more to gain by defending it, considering their entire lifestyles are built around it. Take away capitalism and you take away all of the material conforts that so many people rely on, and that's pretty scary, even for me. Unfortunately, as capitalism collapses in the next decades all that will go away regardless, so there's not much reason to argue. Let the tards believe they're right, it'll all be the same in the end.

>>136612021
What a bunch of sophistry. All life is materialistic because we need food and water to live, go into the middle of the jungle with no food if you don't like capitalism.

Also, it's not up to anyone to decide what is or isn't a degree of progress, progress is purely subjective and personal.

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>>136606228
>Competition isn't a thing in capitalism! Only the rich can do anything in capitalism! The free market, effort and merit are oppressive!

>>136612665
Maybe because there was a giant fucking war that ended it?

>>136612188

>Be liber-tard
>Thinks things would change if capitalists rule us directly
>Rather than indirect capitalist, direct capitalist rule - where capitalist out-in-the-open gives us all the big dollar cock

>>136606228
>implying property can only be owned in a capitalist system
Capitalism is the ONLY system where property is not all controlled in its use or its results redistributed by the government. Everything else is just varying degrees of not owning your things.

>>136612923

>Implying we haven't been able to feed ourselves prior to capitalism

get teh fuck out

>>136605131

We don't have capitalism. We have corporate cronyism or structured economies.

True capitialism would eventually lead to marxism.

>>136606560
No. The idea of socialism (and its various forms) is generally associated with the left. And since the kiddies here basically make their positions the opposite of what they believe the left position to be (to the highest extreme), they support capitalism to the highest extreme.

Not to mention using the term socialism around Americans is basically pointless. The word has been made almost indefinable by the propaganda systems of the West and Soviet Union. Now it's just a slur and anything that involves the state.

>>136605131
because many stupid people. i rich communist, i would dismantle money if people would be more smart.

>>136613210
You still needed to farm or forage or hunt or etc.

>>136612354

Capitalism is pretty Jewish - we live in the age of the merchant, in which the Jew - having 1500 years of practicing usury, commercialism - reigns over every Western nation in the world

>>136613265
>lead to marxism
Marxism is a sociological theory about the development of human society, you dumb fuck, not an economic system or a form of social organisation.

>>136613117
>Be a faggot
>Thinks all libertarians are ancaps
>Thinks "capitalists" would be ruling in such a scenario anyway
>Thinks the free market and competition causes "capitalist rule" and doesn't actively prevent it

This is why we can't have nice things; because of dumbass niggers like you.

>>136613265

Crony capitalism isn't a thing. Capitalism will always subvert the host nation to advance the financial interests of capitalists at the expense of the host nation. It's an inevitability. 'Crony capitalism' is a meme. It's just capitalism.

>>136613338

Farming, hunting equipment predated capitalism by thousands of years.

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>>136612772
>Our native communities still live like they used to.
As they are free to do under capitalism.

>>136613079
A giant war that they started.

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A good deal of people on here don't seem to get this very simple concept so I'll help them out.

A man, or woman, living under Capitalism doesn't necessarily make them a Capitalist. Consumption under Capitalism does not mean a person is in favor of Capitalism or a Capitalism, it is merely conforming to the situation at hand.

A Capitalist is someone who not only understands Capitalism but takes a conscious approach towards it and attempts to use it to benefit him and wishes to sustain Capitalism itself.

Stop trying to point out people living under Capitalism as a success for your system unless you wish to point out the actual Capitalists, those that consciously perceive(d) themselves as one, since the majority of people simply use your economic standards as a means to survival since they are forced to live under it.

Capitalists are typically pig-dogs anyways that put economy over the welfare of people and try to hide it by using some pseudo argument of Capital wealth equating to a happy people while never understanding that a HEALTHY happy people is what is needed, not merely physical healthy but spiritual, and under capitalism you have allowed the eternal jew to sell daughters into slavery and drugs and hedonism to the sons, all while pointing out the billionaires and saying "Look at their success!" while the rest of us point at them and say, "But look at their noses."

>>136613465
>What is the communist manifesto

>>136613557

>thinking capitalism won't give us big money cock in a libertarian - as opposed to ancap - order
>thinking that capitalists won't eliminate competition via monopolization or imposing government on competing industries, corporations, etc.
>Being this fucking delusional
W H E W

>>136613338
We have had agriculture for 12 thousands years at least.

>>136613956
Yes, and that's consumption. That's materialism.

>>136605131
The only way no one takes absolute power is to make them face a permanent state of "conflict".
Rivalry enforces change, adaptation and evolution.
The only problem is that even the market can be exploited, thus the state must act as a "referee".

>>136613795

*DING DING DING*

>>136613618
>Despotic Communism isn't a thing. Communism will always subvert the host nation to advance the financial interests of Communists at the expense of the host nation. It's an inevitability. 'Despotic Communism' is a meme. It's just communism.

>Oppressive fascism isn't a thing. Fascism will always subvert the host nation to advance the social interests of fascists at the expense of the host nation. It's an inevitability. 'Oppressive fascism' is a meme. It's just fascism.

>Tyrannical monarchy isn't a thing. Monarchy will always subvert the host nation to advance the interests of the Monarch at the expense of the host nation. It's an inevitability. 'Tyranical Monarchy' is a meme. It's just monarchy.

The fact of the matter is that capitalism works far and away better than any other system we've had.

>>136613835
What about it?
>>136614076
And?

>>136613919
What do you propose to replace it? Esoteric Mosleyism or some retarded hipster shit?

>>136614445
Capitalism shouldn't be replaced, it should be managed. Similar to Nazi Germany, Denmark, Norway, etc.

>>136614223

>Implying that I have to slobber on big capitalist cock and accept their open borders rule because "it's the best thing we got."

Monarchs didn't replace my ancestors with Brown people.

>>136614445

Anything that doesn't want to replace me with Brown people

>>136613795
Capitalism, and capitalists, have no flaws and benefit everyone in society. You get your millions of dollars by helping other people and there's almost no way to subvert the market.

Stop acting like those under capitalism are under some tyranny they're conforming to, the richest normal people and the most practical, PROVEN thing in theory and in practice is capitalism, and everyone in the world is coming to capitalist countries from fascist or communist countries.

Also there's no such thing as spiritual success.

>>136606395
There is no perfect system. That's why we have capitalism.

>>136613754
>He thinks it was the fascists who started the war

Wew lad

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>>136614766
>Capitalism, and capitalists, have no flaws and benefit everyone in society.
>and everyone in the world is coming to capitalist countries from fascist or communist countries.
>Also there's no such thing as spiritual success.

Look and take note, users of /pol/, the telltale signs of both a shitposter and a jew sympathizer.

>>136614766
>Capitalism, and capitalists, have no flaws and benefit everyone in society
You've made yourself look completely irrational in the first sentence and have therefore eliminated yourself from any further discussion.

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Because despite claiming to be redpilled they have no knowledge of third position political theories such as National Socialism and Fascism. Anything anti-capitalist is associated with gommies in their mind.

Tell me, what is the main goal of capitalism?
Making money. What is the main goal of Jews?
Making money. Money is the root of all evil and a nations focus should never be on the purely material

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>>136613754
>As they are free to do under capitalism.

No sir your ever hungry capitals want to cut our sacred forests.

Turns out that ancient trees wood it's more valuable than shitty capitalist pine forests.

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>>136614954
>Italy declares war on Ethiopia and Greece
>Germany declares war on Poland and the USA
>Japan declares war on China and the USA

>>136614766

lmfao jesus fucking christ

get the fuck out of here, schlomo

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>>136615145
>No sir your ever hungry capitals want to cut our sacred forests.
Which they can only do if the natives choose to sell them the forests, which they are free to refuse to do so under capitalism.

>>136605957
country risk

>>136614708
>>136614719

You realize capitalism has built in structures for competition and undermining detrimental actors within society, right? Imagine for a second that the state had more control over these things and the back-scratching between private and governmental entities (which isn't exclusively a capitalist thing) means that you have to use google products, because it's the best infrastructure and therefore "for the good of the people".

You don't have to use google shit ebcause there is competition through capitalism and a free market. I'm more than happy to agree that anarcho-capitalism doesn't work, but to claim that capitalism causing collusion between government and private sectors is fucking retarded, because it violates the principle of the free market, and then arguing for the government to have MORE of a hand in the private sector is even more retarded.

>>136615076
Making money is not the main goal of the kikes.

Power and self-determination at the expense of others has always been their goal and it's extremely apparent when one looks at the history of the eternal jew. In killing their would-be messiah (Christ, Our Lord) they rejected the notions of divinity for a worldly existence and thus seek power in whatever way they may achieve this.

Capital wealth, of course, has always been one of the, if not THE, strongest tool in history but political power can be found in other ways for these kikes. Blackmail, subversion of the mind, decaying tradition and spiritual expression, etc. are all things they seek to achieve.

Money is a means to an end to them. Never forget that what the main goal of the kikes is the acquisition of power in whatever means possible and the subversion of the goyim so they may act as slaves.

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>>136615308
Nobody sold anything, what you wanted to say was:

We stole those lands from their dead hands and we want profits on that property cause it's property and no one it's using them.

>>136615076
this

>>136605131
I don't, but I don't see trade as inherently evil. I just want to ban usury and kill the meme of infinite growth.

>>136605131
It's mostly americunts.
Extreme individualism is just as bad as extreme collectivism.

>>136605131
i like buying things, i like selling things, its called freedom sure croney capitalism is bad but socialism means starvation for all

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>>136615553
>Nobody sold anything
If nobody sold them the land then they can't cut down the forests on them. If they proceed to do so anyways then the natives can sue them for property damage.

>>136605131
This is an 18+ board.

>>136614954
>The Second Italo–Abyssinian War was a brief colonial war that began in October 1935 and ended in May 1936. The war began with the invasion of the Ethiopian Empire (also known as Abyssinia) by the armed forces of the Kingdom of Italy (Regno d'Italia)
>In July 1937, Japan captured the former Chinese imperial capital of Beijing after instigating the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, which culminated in the Japanese campaign to invade all of China.
In the mid-to-late 1930s, Japanese forces in Manchukuo had sporadic border clashes with the Soviet Union and the Mongolian People's Republic.
>In Europe, Germany and Italy were becoming more aggressive. In March 1938, Germany annexed Austria
>On 1 September 1939, Germany invaded Poland

NOSEY FRAMED US! WE WUZ INNOCENT AND SHIT!!

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>>136609783
>fascism is a painting

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>>136605533
>Because it works everywhere it's tried.

Tell that to the millions of workers who were and are enslaved in factories being payed just enough to survive but never enough to gain independence from their corporate masters who want to pay them as little as possible to cut costs.

Capitalists are parasites on the labor of their workers, and then when the workers (who do all the work and produce all the goods that capitalists profit off of) beg their masters for a living wage, they get called "entitled" by the very bloated ticks who drink their blood.

The smoggy hell-scape of Victorian London perfectly represents the end result of ultra-capitalism on a society.

Capitalism is slavery to corporations and corporate monopolies. Capitalism is neo-feudalism. Natsoc is the only way forward.

>>136605575
/thread

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>>136615816
Sadly it doesn't works like that cause recognizing natives land ownership it's not a thing lawyers and investors like to do.

>>136605131

I'm better than stupid white trash, welfare niggas, corporate slaves, and government zombies.

That's why.

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>>136615583
Have libertarians ever even heard of corporate monopolies?

"Usery" isn't the issue here, greedy companies cornering the market and making off of their profits off of their workers (who they pay like shit).

Let's also not forget who the most active promoters of capitalism/libertarianism/"muh free market" are.

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>>136616209
If the businesses do not recognize the legal property of the natives then they are violating the NAP and the natives have every right to shoot trespassers.

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>>136616086
>American Party of Labor

Gay globalists.

Traditionalist Worker Party is better.

>>136616086
>The smoggy hell-scape of Victorian London

Tell me about Maoist China though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwOBRH56Ic0

>>136605575
Freedom is just a word when the rich control everything and everyone else is a poor serf forced to work for them for as little money as possible.

>and doesn't need big government to put a gun to your head to make sure you're following the rules.

Forgive people for wanting the government to step in and prevent greedy sociopathic heads of industry to have safety standard for their workers and dumping all their waste intro the closest river.

>>136605131
Communism would work if everyone was and accepted it but that will never happen so this is the best possible system to use to cater for humanities individuality. if there were no nigs and spics shit would work much better but that would change soon unless race war now.

>>136616666
"Maoist China"

China is state-capitalist now dipshit.

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>>136616535
Pretty much what's happening, but the trees are still there and are still worth a lot of money, so we know they won't stop cause their system don't let them.

>>136616086
Capitalism can't fix scarcity immediately and all war is socialism.

The numbers for the african slave trade, india, and the native americans are inflated like crazy, also india was under the license raj. Capitalism also provided a huge standard of living increase for all indians and native americans. The great depression was caused by the federal reserve then by FDR's socialist policies.

Also
>NATIONAL SOCIALIST HOLOCAUST

>>136616810
>Communism would work if everyone was and accepted it but that will never happen.

Communism in it's purest form will never work because it goes against human nature, but diluted forms of it are very successful. People will gravitate towards communism/socialism when they grow sick of getting exploited by capitalists.

>>136616907
So it's "not real communism"? LOL

Tell me how an anarcho-communist collective would maintain environmental regulations, especially across a large geographic distance.

>>136616469
This has never happened in history without blatant government favoritism, even back in the antitrust law era of the 1890s every trust was increasing its productivity and lowering its prices.

>>136617099
Yeah thats completely right as individualism is in human nature. Collectivism is a hard act to hold unless you are indoctrinated to think and act a certain way.

>>136616781
>hyperbolic whining

Welcome to first world problems. If it were the USSR, you wouldn't even have a choice and you'd be in worse conditions. Any foul treatment or violation is justified when it's "for the greater ethical good", whatever that might be. Capitalism is the only system that actively works against this type of collusion and you have to find a corrupted version of capitalism to say it doesn't. Collusion and undue controls are not foreign to fascism, communism, socialism, monarchism or anything else; it's a built-in feature for those.

Capitalism works and it works well under the right conditions and marginally ok under the wrong ones (the ones we have now in the US). Other systems may work well in the right conditions, but are always disastrous if something goes wrong and they're damn near impossible to right.

>>136611041
>Mcdonalds or bankers
wtf r u talking about

>>136605131
Well would you rather be communist and starve?

>>136605131
Because despite all it's flaws it's the only system that's not imploded.

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>>136605957
Brown people

>>136612772
that pic it's not even one of "our" native communities

>>136616920
>all war is socialism.

Are you fucking retarded? Wars are fought over resources/land/religious disputes. Capitalists love wars because it allows them to acquire more land/resources for their industryand many make money off of selling weapons/supplies to both sides.

>The great depression was caused by the federal reserve then by FDR's socialist policies.

You really are retarded. It was caused by wallstreet speculation/gambling. FDR's policies and regulations fixed the issues caused by capitalism. They also helped millions of starving and miserable americans eat and find work. But the suffering of the people obviously means nothing to libertarian scumbags.

You sociopaths wil get gassed along with the kikes who puppet your ideology on the day of the rope.

>>136605131
Capitalism is the natural state. Capitalism at its core is based on comparative advantage. Humans do not equal ability and capitalism mitigates this. People freely exchange for goods and services that they are not good at producing.

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>>136616781
>everyone else is a poor serf forced to work for them for as little money as possible

Why do Western capitalist underclass have more buying power and higher HDI than nigger socialist/commie countries though?

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>>136617581
The lost city of El Dorado, a pre capitalism society that we are trying to eliminate from collective memory.

>>136617797
>He thinks amerindians aren't just one race.

>>136608624
You know (((They)))

>>136615553
they sold it, for a ridiculous price.

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>>136617550
>Wage slavery

>Mass pollution

>First world problems

Okay bud.

>>136617550
>Capitalism is the only system that actively works against this type of collusion

No it's the system by which it's established. You have everything backwards my sociopath friend.

>>136605817
This

In a capitalist society it is inevitable that it's going to crash because of greed, envy for your neighbor etc. This is the only reason why liberals go on the street, they want more gibs. And there is nothing we can do about it, we can only strap all poor people off welfare, but this will result in only rich people, which can't work too.

capitalism is a good idea, but will fail in the end.

We would be on fucking spaceships right now if we had national socialism. Or any other system like the venus project, maybe even communism.

The real problem is how we get a new system without millions of deaths.

>>136607731
This

>>136616469
I'm a NatSoc. I just think there is no need to alienate the lolbertarians. We both need to kick out kikes and nonwhites to have a shot at what we want, so we should work together for now.

>>136605575
>doesn't need big government to put a gun to your head to make sure you're following the rules.
Oh gee, better fire all of those police officers then huh?

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>>136618225
Show me a receipt then.

>>136618044
>than nigger socialist/commie countries though?

Because they are "nigger" socialist/commie countries.

Sweden/Denmark/Germany (multicult cancer discounted) all have superior standards of living compared to the US and they have very strong government influence in their economies.

>>136618126
>The lost city of El Dorado, a pre capitalism society that we are trying to eliminate from collective memory.

i need more info m8

>>He thinks amerindians aren't just one race.

race != culture

>>136617831
All war is socialism because war is the forced taking of other people's property on the basis of strength magnified to national level.

Also, no, ben bernanke admitted the federal reserve caused it, and it caused it by inflating the money supply then reducing it sharply and suddenly, and there was a depression steeper and harder in 1919 that did not get any intervention and ended in less than half a year. Even Henry Morgenthau said that after the biggest spending they've ever had employment didn't move.

>>136617831
>FDR's policies and regulations fixed the issues caused by capitalism.
Wrong. They may have been well-intentioned (doubtful), but they did not help.
One of his so-called policies literally sent out gangs of feds to destroy crops and raise prices artificially. Compare that to NatSoc Germany, which just gave people the excess food in exchange for labor.
The only reason FDR did anything was to fill up the fucking banks with welfare.

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>>136618271
>Wage slavery
Voluntary.
>Mass pollution
Potential for cleaner competition
>First world problems
Yes

>The state rubbing elbows with corporations is bad, so let's codifiy state collusion with corporations into the fucking law.

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>>136607106
His socialism was more, Find you work. Kick out jews and commies, Give empty houses to the homeless, And love your fellow german or else.
Not give money to poorpeople socialism.

>>136618698
I mean, if you're falling out of an airplane slower than your friends it doesn't mean you're flying.

Capitalism is globalist, it is fundamentally anti-white because internationalist trade is only possible in a post-racial society.

>>136605131
because you can sell guns to people that will shoot schools which in turn will sell more guns.

>>136608576
>i dont get it? best i know, socialism is just worker ownership of the means of production
It is not. Soicalism and or Marxism. Tranfers the power from private propery to state property. In other words. It takes away from the bourgeoisi to the proletariat who happen to be the central power...therefore... another bourgeosi. Someone correct me if I am wrong but Hitler ran many industries with unions amd those unions were controlled by the government. Aka another bourgeosi.

Because capitalism offers alternatives to the Communist distribution of labor...if I want I can be NEET and if I'm smart enough to make some money to stay alive whereas in communism I'd probably be doing forced to work on some shitty government job.

>>136605131
because i make a lot of money

>>136606669
You ancaps are just gross. No pride in anything ,no self worth just all idealism. Being a capitalist is just being realistic. Being Anarcho Capitalist is just being naive.

>>136618698
http://www.paoracle.com/SocialismWORKS!/?sw=Sweden

>>136605131
Noone defends pure capitalism though

capitalism built the west and every you have

>>136605957
There will always be poor people and poorer countries, also poor compared to what? They certainly are richer than compared to 50 years ago, just because capitalism doesn't rose standards of living overnight doesn't mean they're not richer. You have to compare on a good scale. If you compare countries which have had capitalism for a long time vs countries that have had capitalism for a shorter time and are fresh out of feudalism or tribalism then of course they won't be as rich as each other.

>>136617294
Tribes aren't collectivist? The majority of our evolution occured under tribal conditions.

>>136618308
You just said that people want welfare because of greed. Welfare is not capitalism.

>>136618860
The blunt summary is "Do good."

>>136605131
Because the only people starving are the mentally unsound who think there's poison in the food (except during famines and other shit outside the control of us humans). Every time someone uses the fundimentals of communism (equality of outcome) there is MASS starvation.

>>136605131
Human beings get depressed and lazy without competition. Survival used to be that competition. Basic survival is no longer a challenge so we replaced it with capitalism.

China adopted capitalism to keep the country from failing. This alone should be enough to make one consider that socialism by it self isn't going to work.

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>>136618732
It's what natives are always talking about, the time of pachacuti, or the times of change and the Chaca Pacha the bridge betweeen the worlds.

A renovation of native cosmovision and native organization methods based on trueque (exchange of goods without money, but instead based on their actual valor).

Most small native communities still live like that. The respect for the land and the core belief that we belong to the land instead of the land belonging to us, to detroy it as we please.

I defend Capitalism because I'm not some talentless, spineless, lazy, shut-in NEET like you.

>>136619478
>Collectivism: The principles or system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively, usually under the supervision of a government.
So, no means of production would have been privately owned.

>Tribes aren't collectivist?
No. Earliest anthropological sites have shown signs of private property; living spaces, tools (means of production), belongings, etc.. The individual is the smallest indivisible unit and the largest independently conscious unit of society.

>>136619530
Yes it is. There is a whole industry behind welfare, jews and other private companies benefit from it, at least in germany.

>>136619950
Then they wouldn't be tribes. By definition, a tribe is linked by a potentially multi-faceted set of traits, differing fundamentally from the individual unit.

Capitalism is one of those things that looks good on paper, but in real life it's shit and everyone knows it

>>136616086
>those poor slaves
>working at jobs they signed up for to earn pay, and could have left at any time

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>>136619146
>No pride in anything
>no self worth
wat

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>>136620110
Degenerates like you should hang on a cross.

>>136620110
>when your ideology is so poor it has to steal common criticisms invented by its enemies

>>136619950
Why are you saying that collectivism and private property are mutually exclusive?
I would consider Nazi Germany collectivist.

>>136620085
I don't think you know what collectivism is. Just because you have a group doesn't mean they're collectivists. Collectivists generally believe that the rights of the group supercede the rights of the individual; which is how they justify banning private property. Communities form because they're mutually beneficial for the individuals to do so, not for the sake of a greater collective. Tribes were no different.

There's also a modern social version of collectivism it which is just as retarded.

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>>136620110
Capitalism has not yet seen any ideology capable of threatening it, so I don't know what the heck you're talking about.

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>>136618802
>Voluntary.

Not if you are poor to begin with. Not if corporations have monopolies on most major resources and dish them out only to those who serve them. Most companies now a days are owned by a select few rich families who all network/collude with each other and conspire against everyone else to gain as much personal power as possible the "free market" is a myth. If the "free market" (ie. the desires of rich sociopath bankers and CEOs) had it's way we'd all be slaves payed nothing for doing all the work.

I know you are a shill and thus will never admit defeat or stop selling your snake-oil but I will never fall for your bullshit.

>>136618860
>Not give money to poorpeople socialism.

Welfare is a capitalist/Roman invention to keep the masses appeased and docile while they are in between being actively exploited.

True socialism is worker control of the means of production and the distribution of wealth based on merit, innovation, and effort, not trickery, deceit, parasitism, and nepotism. If decent wages are not provided for workers, then why would anyone from the working or middle class support it?

Natsoc in particular favors strength and quality over the sliminess and reckless greed of unregulated capitalism.

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>>136620110
Not everyone yet my friend, but I have some answers I'd like to share with that side of the class.

>>136620417
Because that's what collectivism says it is. Collectivism is the idea that the group is more important than the individual, which means the individual has no claim to private property over everyone else in the group.

Nazi Germany may have had private property in name, but if anything needed to be requisitioned for any fanciful purpose, I'm guessing the property became a lot less private and a lot more "collectivised".

>>136605131
Because it actually pays our bills

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>>136605533
Africa, middle east, eastern europe, south america, central america, and most of asia would like to have a word with you.

>>136605603
>Oh no a system based on wanting to gather wealth.
You are correct except for the wrong reasons. The only people gathering wealth under capitalism are the capitalists. The workers who actually create the wealth with their labor don't receive the wealth, rather the capitalist does.

>Capitalism is great because it fuels innovation an creation, something a commie wouldn't understand.
Oh not this bullshit again. Scientists, engineers, and inventors fuel innovation, not capitalists.

>>136620463
>Just because you have a group doesn't mean they're collectivists
You refute your own statement. If the group exists and sacrifices their identity as individuals to exist as a group, they are, by definition, collectivist.
>Communities form because they're mutually beneficial for the individuals to do so, not for the sake of a greater collective.
So don't expect the result of any authority's interpretation of law and order to hold any credence when the anarchist, the pure individualist, rejects the premises entirely. They can live amongst others, obviously. But they will have no moral framework pushed onto them.
>Tribes were no different.
Tribal groups self-sacrificing and playing on each others' talents, from patriarchal societies where males hunt and females raise, are not individualist. The villages are bound together and act in order to protect the group first.

>>136620575
>Implying the US didn't wage an endless series of wars over the past century to destroy communist states and destabilize communist countries.

Sounds like somebody is threatened.

>>136620704

Nigger even in the most capitalist nation on Earth, anyone can go innawoods and live comfortably without seeing a corporation

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>>136620867
Fuck, I had the counter to this pic, but it's on my other computer.

Basically, you didn't list a bunch of the American firsts, such as Voyager, Hubble, and the Mars Rover.


Also, Google "John Goddard".

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>>136620963
True dat.

Its just like in vic2

At the start of the game when you dont have a lot of factories you wanna start of the game with state capitalism, controlling everything and leaving nothing to the market

When you have enough if an industrial base you switch to protectionism, let the capitalists grow in this protected environment and subsidize the businesses so they dont go bankrupt.

When the capitalists are strong enough, change to lassez faire(free marekt capitalism) and let the market regulate itself.

Inb4 using games to explain economy
vic2 is known for its complex simulation of the economy

nupol defends it, the few oldfags still here are all third position

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>>136620946
>Implying the USSR didn't wage an endless series of wars over the Cold War to destroy capitalist states and destabilize capitalist countries.
It was mutual, the USSR just couldn't handle the competition.

>>136620963
>anyone can go innawoods and live comfortably without seeing a corporation

>Agree and go along with what your corporate masters say or you will be forced to be a hobo in the woods somewhere.

What are property taxes/anti-squatting laws?

>>136620828
>which means the individual has no claim to private property over everyone else in the group.
Nope. That doesn't mean that at all, that is a straw man argument. There's no reason why private property can't exist within a society that favours collective well being. Anyway, these abstractions are silly. No society is entirely individualist or collectivist. Those are not mutually exclusive states. Humans are both, depending on the scale we are taking about.

I think you're autistic and have a false view of human nature, and that's not surprising since you're a lolbertarian.

>>136620704
>Not if you are poor to begin with.
Yes, even if you are poor to begin with. No one is forcing you to take the job or stay in the job. Anyone with the internet can find examples of people pulling themselves out of poverty. It can be done, but people don't want to work for it because they're lazy.

I wasn't exactly thrilled about scraping the dried shit off toilets as a janitor or getting paid peanuts to deal with bitchy fuckers as a cashier, but I did those jobs and engaged in good spending habits and now I don't have to work those jobs anymore. I grew up eating squirrels because bullets are cheaper than store-bought food. Stop fucking complaining.

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>>136620110
It really does though. To the simple minded, the free market would seem like it just works. I mean I used to be a libertarian after all long ago. People work to create products that can be sold and in return can buy products they need. Products that are good are more profitable and rewarded in the free market. However like I said this is just a simple minded view and incomplete definition of capitalism. What happens is a capitalist class emerges and accumulates wealth instead of the workers. They basically use the workers labor for profit for not doing much at all. Then you have all the other assorted failures under capitalism like automation, increasing population and decreasing job opportunities, and the falling rate of profit.

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>>136621370
This, the USSR gave guns/vehicles/supplies to millions of niggers in Asia, Africa, and Latin America; in order to attack white interests there.

We would literally be richer and have more gibs for the "working class" if commies didn't ruin our empires.

>>136621383
That's what collectivism claims. I'm just giving you the technical definitions, dude. Take it up with the collectivists.

>I think you're a faggot and have a false view of human nature, and that's not surprising since you're a collectivist fuckwit.

See what being insulting does?

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>>136605533
Paris Hilton says hi.

>>136621434
Good peasant, take pride in your poverty. That nigger-tier intelligence is showing.

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>>136621713
>increasing population

How would Marxism stop Africans from breeding out of control?

>>136621949
Mass starvation...

>>136622072
kek

>>136605131
Also because I don't want to live under communism or socialism

>>136622106
W8... OMFG COMMUNISM IS THE SOLUTION TO FAT ACCEPTANCE!!!

It has it faults but its better than the alternatives and the one very good alternative will never be used again bc of MUH HITLER

>>136621949
Marxism is an economic theory. Free education under socialism would probably teach them to use protection and learn sustainability.

>>136621219
This is an interesting view. However then you have the capitalists realizing labor is cheaper elsewhere and start outsourcing the jobs leading to deindustrialization and market crashes from the populace not having wages anymore to buy the capitalist goods.

>>136621219
Protectionism and free market can exist at the same time though. Protectionism means protecting the domestic economy by minimising imports or heavily taxing them so that people will buy domestic goods. Free market simply means letting the companies within your own country compete freely without government interference.
And honestly, protectionism + free market has shown itself to be the best combination.

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>>136621932
>It's terrible that people have to be wageslaves
>lol pleb

So, no one should take you seriously, then? Too proud to expend effort, are you? What exactly CAN you do besides sit on the internet and bitch?

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>>136622440
>each them to use protection and learn sustainability
That didn't exactly work out for you in Somalia or Ethiopia

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>>136618308
If greed is part of human nature,
and people all make the same amount of money,
then why would anyone attempt to innovate in a system where everyone's efforts are equal in wealth.

You can't change the system without changing human nature.

>>136621802
I've never met anyone that called themselves a collectivist, that is a slur and a misrepresentation invented by Mises and his ilk. Not even communists would argue for removing individual rights, so to play devils advocate, your idea that private property is necessary for an individual to flourish is also a strawman.

The irony of libertarians and ancaps is that they themselves engage in a form of collectivism through their adherence to a shared ideology.

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>>136622440
Dude, I'm gonna ask you to be open-minded here.

Please read this entire pic related.

Now, as you can see, Africans already have a "proletariat" and "gibsmedat" culture. From what I can tell, pushing Marxism on them would just add fuel to the tire fire.

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>>136618308
>capitalism is a good idea, but will fail in the end.
People have been saying this since the fucking 14th century, but all that has ever happened is the "replacements" for capitalism inevitably fail.

>>136621713
Capitalists are needed to run factories because they have the knowledge to run the factories and the advertising for it and what to upgrade and when, etc. They facilitate the wealth of the workers, not remove it.

Automation is extremely good for society, it makes everything cheaper and makes it so you work less for the same stuff, unemployment is mostly caused by taxes and regulations and etc and falling rate of profit doesn't matter because 10% of 100 is still more than 50% of 10

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>>136605131

Because I do not want to starve.

>>136623131
M8, we might need this to get rid of fat acceptance! It's the only way!

>>136622563
You're a fucking dick

>>136622768
>Agreeing on stuff is collectivism.

I'm not sure how to progress from here. There is a difference between forming a group due to common traits and then taking all averages of that group and applying them to all individuals within that group.

Collectivism is why SJWs constantly bitch about white, straight men because, in their eyes, the group is homogeneous, unchangeable and immutable. Such thinking is collectivist and it's not indicative of reality. Collective agreement or action is not necessarily collectivism, or it is, at the very least, a very shallow and insipid interpretation of it.

>>136623321
>You're a fucking dick
You say that because I'm right. I know that because I said the same shit as you when I was younger.

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>>136623131

>>136624286
KEK

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because you must always fight for light and good against the darkness!!!

rebel against the empire!!!
have no fear!

>>136623519
I agree with you, but allow this idea. Collectivism is bad because collectivist individuals will only agree with their in-group and not reason with others and therefore not work with, employ or speak to outsiders. Thus, to a non-collectivist, the only way you can reason, is if you both put your guard down and at least try to compromise (or have peaceful discourse).

Humanity is destined to be collectivist though, because the only way it could work is if it were an objective truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YINNqRXzGs

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>>136624839
you can sue people for damage of pollution for decades. Just like you can sue the tobacco industry for giving you lung cancer..

has nothing to do with ancap

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>>136624286

>>136624839
You know, it should make you rethink your stance when someone whom needs to take speed every morning due to aspergers asks you if your on drugs...
ARE YOU ON DRUGS SIR!!!

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>>136624839
Except when the local corporate warlord has bought out all the judges.

>Implying their would even be a court system in anarcho-capistan.

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>>136626269
there**

Fuck me.

>>136616086
You're right my parents are oppressors

All parents are oppressors

>>136605131
It's the best system we got.

>>136622768

No one would want to associate with the term collectivist because it immediately points out your lunacy, and lack of self-worth

>>136605131
Because it isn't a system, is an reality.

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>>136625280
Non-collectivists aren't the issue in this situation, though. The live-and-let-live compromises made for collectivists have only resulted in encroachment of good values and ideas; ideas that had served us quite well and could again.

The SJWs will come and go; as will the ethnos. But the damage they can and will do to the fabric of society could stay there for centuries, assuming it doesn't destroy it outright. I believe the US is the greatest country founded on one of the greatest principles and collectivism will be one of the nails in it's coffin. The short-sighted will fight amongst each other and the people who started the whole mess will slink away and nothing will be left of the land of the free.

>>136605131
Capitalism is the only thing that works.

National Socialism is the only Socialism that would ever work and hitler went and fucked it up

So Capitalism is the only option

>>136627423
The Nazis weren't socialist, you dumb cunt.

>>136627695
guess what nazi stands for

u simpleton!

>>136627902
>durr itz in da name moran
Not an argument

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>>136625328
Yes, but under Ancap the corporations don't have the protection of limited liability or Corporate personhood.

Capitalism is objectively successful. Remember the next time you take a shit that under previous systems you would be sitting in a hut outside your house shitting on top of everyone else's putrid shit from the past decade.

>>136605131
Because we are not retarded like OP.
>OP IS A RETARD

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>>136627695
>>136628038
Google Prussian socialism.

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>>136627695

Indeed National Socialism === Nazi ... GTFO

>>136628038
holy shit you are dumb

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>>136606226
>The more economically free a nation is, the more economically prosperous it is.
here ya go

>>136628093
this
ram this up th eass of the guy who thinks nazis werent socialists
lol
capitalism in 1800s
1% gdp spent by gov
no regs
ended slavery
ended chile labor
made usa from woods to no1
we need to make america like 1800s greatness again!

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>>136628937
My favorite is the one pointing out that the most economically free nations have the richest poorest 10%. We've become so rich that even our poor are rich.

>>136628590
Socialism is about economics not your asinine feelings of "national pride"

>>136628740
see
>>136628038

>>136628922
Still waiting for an argument

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>>136628937
im amazed in 2017 everyone doesn't know this
look at soviet russia and maoist china
look at venesuela
look at hong kong under capitalsm 5x the skyscapers fo new york!!

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>>136629233
It is about economics though. It's just ethnocentric instead of globalist.

>"hurr durr, we have a monopoly on words!!!!"

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>>136629396
>It's just ethnocentric instead of globalist.
But it isn't even that, you dumb cunt. The left wing faction of the nazi party was purged, the ones who in their words, wanted to "take socialism from the left and nationalism from the right"

>>136629778
>NatSoc wasn't ethnocentric

Wow, what a dumb statement.

Also, Germans still had over 6 gorillian gibsmedats and labor benefits under NatSoc. It was more leftist than the UK and France. German factory workers literally got free Mediterranean cruises paid for by the state. Also, many industries were nationalized for the sake of making more/cheaper products for the proletariat.

Just watch this, you normie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUbxMgb5f40

>>136621949
Marxism has succesfully reduced the birthrates everywhere else.

>>136614766
>Capitalism, and capitalists, have no flaws and benefit everyone in society. You get your millions of dollars by helping other people and there's almost no way to subvert the market.
I don't even hate capitalism, but that's just wrong. Stick to raping foreign reporters.

>>136630230
>NatSoc wasn't ethnocentric
It wasn't as you implied socialist, in the sense of wanting to implement socialism while maintaining a strong sense of nationalism. The nazis as they were when in power were very much indeed ethno-nationalists but they could give a fuck about the socialism the likes of Strasser advocated for.

>welfare is socialism nonsense

> many industries were nationalized
Many industries were privatized, so much so that we get the word privatization from nazi era mass privatizing

>>136606074

I kek'd.

>>136630887
They seemed to have a higher quality life than your Soviet shitholes though.

>>136627695
Kekistan flag is new leaf.

Leaves are officially relieved from duty

>>136631242
What duty did we have?

>>136631170
Oh! Nice lack of acknowledgement of the points made in order to go for le ebin burn. I'm so BTFO

>>136631461
So what should the Swedish Social Democrat Party change its name yo?

>>136631431
Nvm you're back on duty

>>136631789
WHAT DUTY?!?!?!

>>136631597
If you have a point to make, make it. I'm not going to entertain obfuscation

>>136632056
Are you saying that Sweden and Norway's socialist parties, which existed decades before Lenin's revolution, are wrong in their definition of socialism?

Are you saying only Marxists and leftcoms can lay claim to the word socialism? Because half the Western world thinks otherwise.

>>136605131

>china posting

>>136632425
>Are you saying that Sweden and Norway's socialist parties
One they aren't socialist, they're social democrats.

>which existed decades before Lenin's revolution
The late 1800s to early 1900s parties that called themselves social democrats were actually socialists, marxists, etc

>>136613795
nice post