Who's more fucked, America or Europe?

>>136596143
I'd say Europe. Germany and Sweden will be the first to completely fall to Islam.

>>136596143
Right now, South Africa

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Europe is beyond redemption. We aren't great but Europe is far more fucked it's not even a close comparison.

>>136596143
europe. they got people in fucking sweden who think they are hot shit . what the fuck did sweden ever invent? what wars did sweden win? finland has a entire fake history complete with faries and conquering all of europe and most of russia and they look down on gypo faggots despite having vlad the impaler as a actual historical figure people know the name of instead of sven who invented a new way to fuck cheese in a sock or larping as the greatest empire of all time

Europe. America still has its immigration policy, 2A, some protectionism, real patriots, etc. What does Europe have?

>>136596898
Not 40% spis and niggers?

>>136596143
Europe. We only had to deal with the influx of Mexicans but now Trump is deporting them and scaring them from coming

Europe just keeps getting endless waves of economic migrants and they're too cucked to do anything about it

I'm still waiting for the Eternal Kraut to loose it, then we're not far away from 100% uncuckening. This will never happen in America though, if anything, they'll fuck up everything. Again.

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Social politics = Europe
Demographics = America
A population of approximately 700 million white exist in Europe, which is nearly 90% of the total population. America has 150m whites, which is 55%-60% of the total population.

>>136597440
>actually believes Nazis will come back
kek that's hilarious

Every last "white" country is in the same basic boat, by my estimation.

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>>136596143
>>136596143
I'm proud to be an American. We still have guns and freedom of speech. In the European Caliphate you get arrested and killed in jail just for Banting Muslims.

In Germany right wing politics and racism is complete banned (except for Muslims of course) and France is past the point of no return.

Also Catholic Mexicans >>> Muslims

>>136597176
already down to 38% spics my nagger

Ice is doing their job

Estimated 1 million deportations this year and a half

The old statistics arent including trumps mass deportations

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>>136596877
>That feel when the only reason your great nation progressed so far is because of a swedish invention that allowed your workers to blow shit up faster and more safely.

Also nice bait.

>>136596143
yes

>>136596143
america has dealt with its niggers for centuries, plus they have fire arms.
europe, obviously

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>>136596143
Don't worry about America, we're fine. You need to be worrying about >>136596540 SA. We let in a bunch of Christian Mexicans, you have no idea what the real struggle is like. Imagine, your own country that you built, now is 97% African or looks like a very dark African American.

We always get mad about how no media talks about our LITERAL bloody genocide in many places in Africa, places the niggers aren't even native too. I realized that it's because we don't even feel uncomfortable talking about it, even though we're supposed to be 'making humaninity remember' with Art and maybe some exaggerated numbers/stories. The jews didn't event dodging a second holocaust, it's been done before. We must confront SA head on this time. 2 million of our people being tortured then killed will be too much, this isn't Zim. If it happens, I will not be forgetting this one. No more meme frogs, guns. That number is too high to ignore. Fight or flight

>>136598312
America was 80% white 30 years ago.

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>>136596540
>tfw

>>136596143
Policy wise Europe by far. Demographically wise America by far

>>136597176
Niggers stay a constant number. Latins are no where near as bad as muslims and we have had them since we became a nation. They are part of our culture but we want the illegals, gangbangers and antiwhites out.

>>136599353
>we have had them since we became a nation. They are part of our culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

You're the reason you don't have a country left and are disrespectful to lardtards who actually care about their country.

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>>136596143
Both

>>136596143
The West is fucked as a whole. The direction of a post industrial rev. society involves a narrowing sphere of freedom that we will gladly accept

>>136596143
Europe is right next to Africa, expected to have 4 billion people by 2100. What do you think? As bad as spics are, they breed less.

>>136600231
If current demographic trends carry on, by 2100, you'd have already been below 20% for 30 years.

>>136596143
Europe, but only in the sense that they're going to fall first. We're both heading down the same road, but Trump helped us apply the brakes a little

>>136601017
>but Trump helped us apply the brakes a little
Trump hasn't expressed any desire to remove 40% of the population of America somewhere else. If the end goal is the extinction or near extinction of whites in their traditional home countries, or the purpose is to demographically warp these countries leaving a minority, then you are closer to the wall than any European country in existence.

Short term, us. In the long, Europe. Europe is going to have all of its freedom taken away by overbearing gov'ts that can do anything because single issue muzzie voters only care about their religion and bringing in their brotherd. Basically Islam-lite oligarchies.
We're merely going to fade into fatuousvdegeneracy as our demographics resemble more and more thosevof brazil. We'll have a huge fucking illiterate rabble, but it will still be possible to get some things done.

>>136600231
>they breed less
Have you seen the average Mexican immigrant family in southern US?

Europe by far.

America has guns and freedom of speech. We can't be thrown in prison for saying mean things to muslims on facebook. And white people with guns have proven before that they can stand up against a mongrel horde even when greatly outnumbered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dingo

>>136601840
>Have you seen the average Mexican immigrant family in southern US?
At least they care enough to keep the family unit whole. Niggers contribute to the fragmentation of family and family values

>>136602655
good point

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>>136602536
You're generalizing Europe as the UK, France and Germany, which are ALL completely fucking awful but still x100 better off the US in terms of demographics. The issue is, that I see in all of these threads is, you're substituting nonsensical 18th century liberal niceties for having the semblance of an actual country left.

"Europe" is too big of a place to throw that blanket term over.

Pic related are legal firearms too. I know in places like Slovakia (I think), everybody and their grandma has a gun from the illegal supply lying around.

>>136596143
Actively? Europe. But America is a powderkeg right now. Dumb gullible right wing faggots that think with their gut and have a nigger-esque creed of anti-intellectualism vs insane shrieking harpies of the left with their crippling marxist dogma. Both groups are insane, retarded, and dangerous, but they make up the majority of people so we're fucked either way. There's no talking any sense to either of these groups so I'm just waiting for the inevitable civil war that erupts. I wish it were easier to gather a more moderate populace and just move away from all the cancer.

>>136596143

Europe is more fucked.

Europe doesn't have 1st and 2nd Amendment protections and the left there is far more entrenched than the US. Europe's centre right is America's left.

The kindest thing Trump could do for Europe's right would be to exit NATO. At first the EU would rally, but soon all the historical rivalries would resurface. For good or bad, the presence of the US in Europe has allowed the Europeans to neglect many things. Once the rivalries are unleashed the publics swing right and the EU shatters.

>>136596143
America has been fucked for so long that you're used to it, so you don't see how fucked you are. Europe is only now starting to go the way of America.

If you're talking about who is gonna become more fucked than they previously were, then Europe.
If you're talking about who is more fucked overall, then America.

>>136603097
You are not 100x better in demographics. Your population will be 20% muslim in a couple of decades. That's much worse than even Brazil, in its long term consequences.
And we obviously don't mean slovakia, you imbecile. The fact that slovakia is 90% white does nothing to the fact that the countries that dominate europe are goong to have huge muslim minorities.

Europe still has a chance to get out of their mess, we Americans are already fucked. We have too much non-whites to ever form a fascist ethnostate without a bloody civil war. Europe still has a very large white population.

The only thing we have is guns (and I doubt we'll still have them in 20-30 years)...

>>136603897
>You are not 100x better in demographics
The UK is 87% white at the time of the last census, where as Europe has a population of 743mil with just below 90% being white (that is 700 million white people) versus a population of 350m where 60% (less when not including Arabs/Hispanics) are white. Your demographics are 3 decades ahead of Europe.

>And we obviously don't mean slovakia, you imbecile
Slovakia is in Europe and I meant the part about guns you brainless fat fuck. Each European country has completely different policies in terms of firearms and distribution rate. The legal rate of firearms differs so much from the lowest (Belgium, U.K, Ireland) to the highest (Switzerland, Czech, Finland) and you're still substituting nonsensical liberal niceties, that originated IN Europe, for having an actual country left.

Your demographics are horrific in comparison to any European country.

>>136603897
>Your population will be 20% muslim in a couple of decades
I missed this bit too.
>couple of decades
Being the key word in that. You're already 40% (likely 45%+) non-white. We're discussing reality, not the future.

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Is Spain any good? I want to go back to my motherland.

Can you get guns there?
Help me out spanish bros

>>136597533
Socialism with diversity? will never work, people will move to the right in their attitudes of economy, when it becomes more and more clear that the "free shit" goes to the migrants.

Demographic is an obstacle, as it is evolving today. But it won't break neither Europe or the US, even with the current birth rates, there will still be +100 million with people in the US, 50 years from now.
With a +100 million white people, its hard to imaging that large parts of the US won't be organized into a "white-state".
Same principle applies for Europe.

we're both in a very bad situation and this constant bickering is not doing anyone any favors

>>136604224
>The UK is 87% white at the time of the last census,
So, about 80% now.
>where as Europe has
And? You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain. Grouping yourself with an entire continent does not alter your situation and is not relevant to my points, especially when the countries dominating europe will have significant Muslim minorities
>.our demographics are 3 decades ahead of Europe.
If we pretend your age demographics aren't terrible, maybe
> Slovakia is in Europe and I meant the part about guns you brainless fat fuck.
This just makes you dumber. Why should slovakians with guns have anything to do with you? Your police-state shithole is fucked.
>Being the key word in that. You're already 40% (likely 45%+) non-white. We're discussing reality, not the future.
And the reality is that 20% muzzie is your best case scenario. Your immigration hasn't slowed, 15% of your whites will be dead of old age is an many years, and you already have no freedom of speech.

>>136596143
Unlike America half of Europe is still salvageable.

>>136604807

I think people need to stop punching right and white. More productive to red pill leftist whites and keep the target fixed on the genuine enemies.

>>136604996
>unlike a country half a continent is
kek

>>136604813
>So, about 80% now.
If current demographic trends, taken in account of influx of migrants, 80% is a bit low. The estimate by the Eurobermator was 84% white and 81% white British.
>And? You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain
Are you serious? Is this an actual statement or an attempt to be funny? What the fuck do you mean Britain isn't in Europe?

>If we pretend your age demographics aren't terrible, maybe
No, you utter fucking brainlet. Only if you LARP in your fantasy world is the UK not better off, demographically, than the US. You're approx. 55% white versus approx. 85% white. 85 is a higher number than 55.

>This just makes you dumber. Why should slovakians with guns have anything to do with you? Your police-state shithole is fucked.
Because the discussion of the thread is about Europe versus America you fucking idiot.
>and you already have no freedom of speech.
Why are the fuck are you substituting this for being 45% nonwhite?

>>136605148
Do take in mind that the US considers Turks, and other niggers to be white. Really makes you think.

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>>136604813
>You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain

>>136605080
You have more both landmass and people living in your decadent shithole, so the compraison is rather flattering for you.

>>136605432
There are more people in Europe than the US and North America as a whole.

Europe has so many countries that are economically underwater
Italy and Greece are being bought out by the IMF while Spain and Portugal have extremely unemployment rates. Also wages over there have stagnated while taxes are incredibly high. The median salary in France is €1800 a month due to high taxation

Also if the Euro collapses than the entire continent is fucked beyond repair

>>136605148
>If current demographic trends, taken in account of influx of migrants, 80% is a bit low. The estimate by the Eurobermator was 84% white
That's poor estimate. You think you've only dropped 3% in how many years?
>What the fuck do you mean Britain isn't in Europe?
God, you're so slow. The point is that Europe is not a continent, clown.
>No, you utter fucking brainlet. Only if you LARP in your fantasy world is the UK not better off, demographically,
Yes, in terms of % white, you're obviously better off (for the near future, not at all in the long term). As for effects of demographics, you're much worse off.
>Because the discussion of the thread is about Europe versus America you fucking idiot.
Great, dos that mean we can't discuss parts of Europe? We h ave to talk about Russia and Ireland as if they're in the same situation? That would be convenient for you, but it's not the case.
>Why are the fuck are you substituting this for being 45% nonwhite?
You're right, what was I thinking. I should envy a country with no rights, since demographics crises have to do with sheer numbers and not negative effects.

>>136605502
Don't do it, please. Don't take it away from me.

>>136604813
>>You do not live in Europe, you live in Britain

>you do not live in Asia you live in Japan

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>>136605818
>The point is that Europe is not a continent

Wow

>>136606098
Obviously a typo. Jesus, bongs are slow

>>136605818
>That's poor estimate. You think you've only dropped 3% in how many years?
The last census was 2011, the ethnicity demographics are 2013-2014.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/ethnicity

>God, you're so slow. The point is that Europe is not a continent, clown.
No, you literally said Britain isn't part of Europe, you fucking moron, and that is what you meant, isn't it? You've had to be corrected on /pol/ because all of your life you've thought Britain isn't part of Europe, or the EU = Europe and because we're leaving a Union from the 1970s, that means we aren't geographically in Europe any more.
>As for effects of demographics, you're much worse off.
Every single aspect of race relations that you view as a negative stems from America. The precedent for how niggers act in the West was sit in America, through negro culture in rape music, movies, TV series, movements like Black Lives Matter, Malcolm X, MLK. The entire civil rights movements is a product of your nation.

>Great, dos that mean we can't discuss parts of Europe?
YOUR point was "America has muh guns", my point was, every individual European country has radically different firearm policies and countries like the UK with a 6.6. out of 100 inhabitants ownership are trumped by countries like Finland with a 50% out of 100 ownership, or Switzerland, or Czech, which have insanely different policies than say, California.

Hell, even Northern Ireland has even more open carry permits issued through PPWs than California does. You've somehow bullshitted yourself into saying it's out of context, even though the basis of this entire thread is Europe versus America.

>I should envy a country with no rights
You're substituting, again, liberal niceties that were all founded in the UK, for having the semblance of a country left.

>>136606437
You're the one who thinks Britain isn't in Europe, you utter mong.

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>>136606437

Sure it was

>>136606437

Some are lol.

>>136606512
Yurop is a continent and Britain is an Island

New Zealand is not in Australia!

>>136606738
Europe is a concept that is dated back to 600 BC and Britain is apart of it.

Mathematically usa
Politically europe
Take your pick which weights more

>>136597533
Only California, Arizona, New Mexico, South Carolina and Delaware don't have a county that's over 80% white.I also assume Hawaii's like that.

>>136607094
And yet they still have a population of 150m whites versus 700 million (85-90% versus 50%-55%)

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>>136596143
HOLY SHIT BERND AAYYYYYY NIGGA I WATCHED YOU ALL THE TIME IN EUROPE

Also Europe is undoubtedly more fucked. Our president is an idiot but at least he isn't inviting migrants in by the boatload to fuck our shit up

>b-b-b-but yer mexicans

Give me one terrorist attack in America committed by illegal mexican immigrants.

>>136606451
>The last census was 2011, the ethnicity demographics are 2013-2014.
That says workers, among whom there would be fewer minorities
>No, you literally said Britain isn't part of Europe,
I did. But is that what I meant? Try to use that little thing your "people" call a brain for once
>Every single aspect of race relations that you view as a negative stems from America. The precedent for how niggers act in the West was sit in America, through negro culture in rape music, movies, TV series, movements like Black Lives Matter, Malcolm X, MLK. The entire civil rights movements is a product of your nation.
The "precedent" of rioting, fucking kek
savages do savage things, who knew
>YOUR point was "America has muh guns", my point was, every individual European country has radically different firearm policies and countries like the UK with a 6.6. out of 100 inhabitants ownership are trumped by countries like Finland with a 50% out of 100 ownership, or Switzerland, or Czech, which have insanely different policies than say, California.
Good to know. Your shithole is still not free, though.
>You're substituting, again, liberal niceties that were all founded in the UK
Magna Charta was drawn up under a name as English as "Johan sans terre"
> for having the semblance of a country left
What does this even mean? That a police state with three extra decades of whiteness is preferable to freedom without those decades? kek

sad shit tbqh

>>136596143
short term? europe
long term? america

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>>136596143
Last time i checked Finland is 99% white and muricans are just above 50%.

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>>136607453
>That says workers, among whom there would be fewer minorities
It's the entire country. https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011census
>The "precedent" of rioting, fucking kek.
>savages do savage things, who knew
That isn't a defence. The civil rights movement began in America, the so-called liberation of minority groups began in America, the concept of affirmative action, special privileges and the cultural obsession over race descends from America. You haven't got a defence because your race issues are infinitely worse than Europe. In the 70s, Enoch Powell was giving speeches warning the UK that American-style race relations were about to come to the UK, and he was 100% white, but they began and are still a lot more prominent in the US than the UK.
>Good to know. Your shithole is still not free, though.
Still not a point.
>Magna Charta was drawn up under a name as English as "Johan sans terre"
Magna Carta doesn't even mention the right to bear arms you fucking idiot. The Magna Carta (1215), the Provisions of Oxford (1258), the Provisions of Westminister (1259), the Statute of Marlborough (1267), the Welsh Acts of 1535 & 1542, the Petition of Right (1628), Instrument of government (1653), Humble Petition & Advice (1657), Habeas Corpus Act (1679), the Bill of Rights (1689), the Act of Settlement (1701), and the Act of Union (1706), Acts of Union (1800). For freedom of speech, see: Bill of Rights 1689, and for the right to bear arms see Assize of Arms 1181 and again, the Bill of Rights 1689.
>What does this even mean? That a police state with three extra decades of whiteness is preferable to freedom without those decades
No, it means you're substituting being able to criticise minorities (something we're openly doing now), for your government actually instituting a policy against minorities now that you are reaching levels of being below 50% white.

>>136607844
There are over 100 million whites here, how big is Finland's population again?

>>136608021
Again, there are 700 million white people in Europe (an area smaller than the US) and 150m whites in the US.

That's 55% of the population versus 90%.

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>>136597533

What happens here

>>136608131
Farm murders and rape.

>>136596143
europe duh.... our niggers just kill eachother not everyone else and they kind of speak something resembling english

>>136608312
>our niggers just kill eachother not everyone else
Are you fucking blind or just wilfully ignorant? You have the highest black on white crime rates in world. Look at the rapes of white women alone.

>>136596143
Europe of course.
We won't be here by the end of the next decade.

What people in this thread don't realise is the following;

>fertility rates are dropping all over the world and will continue to do so
>racial segregation will naturally lead to 'white' areas of America/Europe even if ethno-nationalism is a thing of the past
>there are more white people living on the earth today than at any other time
>white people are living longer and more productive lives then ever before

White people won't be the only group going through a demographic crisis. It's already hitting parts of East Asia (e.g. Japan, Singapore) and will hit parts of Latin America (e.g. Cuba, Puerto Rico) over the next decade.

>>136608021
We have 700 million whites in Europe who will not turn into mulatto negroid race like you will become in the next 25-50 years. America is turning into Brazil and only now people are waking up. Here we can easily round up the few thousand refugees and gas them but your 50% negroid population are free to buy assault rifles and defend themselves.

>>136608406
>You have the highest black on white crime rates in world.
Are you sure that's not South Africa?

>>136607888
>It's the entire country. https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011census
I meant your 2014 stats, obviously
> The civil rights movement began in America
ergo, we are responsible for every ineptitude of yours with regard to minorities.
>Still not a point.
True, it's not relevant at all that you cannot own firearms, that your police force is corrupt and inept, that you don't even have real freedom of speech
>Magna Carta doesn't even mention the right to bear arms you fucking idiot
Did I suggest it did?
As for your list, a good half of those at least are norman inventions, and have about as much to do with the actual English as Thomas Jefferson's slaves had to do with his declaration
>No, it means you're substituting being able to criticise minorities (something we're openly doing now), for your government actually instituting a policy against minorities now that you are reaching levels of being below 50% white.
Again, what are you on about? And why does the number you give me change every time? topkek, it's like talking to a child

>>136608528
There aren't that many whites in South Africa and they're more segregated. They probably have more cases of whites being harmed simply for being white, where as niggers in the US may just do it in a robbery.

>>136605277

This, the 50% figure is a very very liberal estimate.

>>136608611
>I meant your 2014 stats, obviously
And yet you still manage to be wrong. They're the same census. The ethnicity results simply weren't fully completed until 2014.
>As for your list, a good half of those at least are norman inventions, and have about as much to do with the actual English as Thomas Jefferson's slaves had to do with his declaration
The British Constitutional system is irrelevant because 2 out of those 10+ pieces of legislation were written by Normans. That's like saying the Constitution of America is irrelevant because it was written by White Anglo Saxons, and now you're a country of Germans, Irish, Mexicans and niggers, you utter brainless fucking nonce. Those pieces of legislation are the centerpiece of British government, we don't have an entrenched constitution which governs it, we have a common law system which is governed based off precedent and existing constitutional framework - ALL of which those pieces of legislation effect tremendously.

>Again, what are you on about? And why does the number you give me change every time? topkek, it's like talking to a child

Because your own government considers Turks, Arabs and Mexicans to be "white" on a census. So officially, you're 63% white, but ACTUAL whites are closer to 50%-55% of the pop

I'd say Europe. We are mostly geographically fucked. Just think about space.

Our countries so small yet so close to each other but also close to Africa and relatively close to the Middle East. Political/racial and religious tensions are bound to happen and escelate since people are egoistic by nature and seek for the best standard of living so they all come here ignoring the fact that our economies are fragile and there simply isn't enough space for everyone to keep this standard of living long term. Mass migration from all sides will either replace us completely culturally and ethnically or it will be getting dirty. So there will be short term winners but only long losers in this game. It will be a huge mess.

When shit hits the fan and a new (civil) war breaks out or some civilisation threatening event happens, there is nowhere where we can go and nothing that we can do to protect our own kind either. Survival will be difficult in such densely populated part of the world. Murica has lots of space and also much less closer to Africa and Roaches (so much more time to act). You have a higher chance to maintain your civilisation the long run.

>>136605277
>>136608962
We list them as white, but, unlike you, don't actually have them.

>>136609076
>We list them as white, but, unlike you, don't actually have them.
The US has more Muslims than the UK in numbers you idiot.

That's why the "we have 150million whites" argument always fall apart, because statistics tell the story, not numbers alone, and the fact Europe has much more whites.

>>136596143
America

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>Americans who say Europe
...really? Europeans will be the first to start to wake up because we're turning into a shitshow too fast not to, meanwhile the USA is 60% white and plummeting because of some false sense of comfort due to the retention of liberties in the present.

When the inevitable civil wars spring up across Europe, the US will be a massive majority non-white shithole and you'll be worse off than if you went down our route.

>>136609076
Well enjoy living in favela or fighting a race war against half of the population who are armed to the teeth. Better start training that Spanish.

>>136608524
I didn't know mongols even heard of assault rifles I thought you were still on horseback with the recurve bow

>>136596143
Making a Nazi salute get you arrested in Germany, everything is considered "hate speech" right across the continent, and in France the media brags about either lying to or hiding the truth from the populace, I'll give you two guesses.

>>136609008
>And yet you still manage to be wrong. They're the same census. The ethnicity results simply weren't fully completed until 2014.
Is the data for 2014? I don't believe it is
>The British Constitutional system is irrelevant because 2 out of those 10+ pieces of legislation were written by Normans
I saw at least four in your list, including the most important one, the Magna Charta. Incidentally, one of them did involve the right to bear arms.
>That's like saying the Constitution of America is irrelevant because it was written by White Anglo Saxons, and now you're a country of Germans, Irish, Mexicans and niggers, you utte
At least we have a good amount of the original founders blood in our veins, and speak the same language. You are the house negroes who inherited your system from a completely foreign people and culture.
>Because your own government considers Turks, Arabs and Mexicans to be "white" on a census. So officially, you're 63% white, but ACTUAL whites are closer to 50%-55% of the pop
But, unlike you, we have scarcely any of those people. The number counting Mexicans is actually over 70%, my mentally challenged friend
>>136609224
>The US has more Muslims than the UK in numbers you idiot.
Kek'd, percentage is what matters, obviously. What a stupid post

>>136609656
Finland has one of the highest rates of firearm ownership in all of Europe. They trump your liberal states like California by 100 miles.

>>136609372
>Well enjoy living in favela or fighting a race war against half of the population who are armed to the teeth. Better start training that Spanish.
Yeah, that's certainly going to happen. In reality, we'll just take a hit to our iq average and drop to around Europoor levels.

>>136609656
How original of you. We didnt kill half million russians for nothing.

>>136609760
Of course they do because they're liberal states you dunce

>>136608611
>As for your list, a good half of those at least are norman inventions

>13th century
>Normans
Fuck off fatty, you don't know shit.

>>136609723
>Is the data for 2014? I don't believe it is
It says on the link you fucking idiot. You're like talking to a brick wall. I'm giving you government sources to our most recent census on ethnicity and nationality and then you turn around and openly deny it to my face, when the data is in the link you're responding to. READ IT, you fat fuck.

>I saw at least four in your list, including the most important one, the Magna Charta. Incidentally, one of them did involve the right to bear arms.
Magna Carta isn't important at all and the right to bear arms unironically originated in the UK from the Assize of Arms 1125 and Bill of Rights 1689. These are quoted by James Madison hundreds of times, if you knew your own history.
>At least we have a good amount of the original founders blood in our veins, and speak the same language.
You don't speak the same form of English the founders did, and all of those documents are written in English you moron. Why are you only referencing the early ones and not everything 1400+?
>But, unlike you, we have scarcely any of those people. The number counting Mexicans is actually over 70%, my mentally challenged friend
You are 50% white.
>Kek'd, percentage is what matters, obviously. What a stupid post
I literally said that in my next sentence you utter fucking mongloid.

>>136609898
Half a million sub humans big deal

>>136610109
That's irrelevant to my point.

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>>136609828
>drop to 90% white population
Good luck with that.

>>136604614
>implying they want some slant-eyed mestizo fuck after they spent hundreds of years cleansing all the moor rape babies out of their country

>>136596143
We at 50 percent white but at least we have trump telling refugees and spics to fuck off

>>136610116
>>13th century
>>Normans
>Fuck off fatty, you don't know shit.
>name was johanz sans terre
kek
>>136610175

>Magna Carta isn't important at all
Oh, my poor sides.
>nd the right to bear arms unironically originated in the UK from the Assize of Arms 1125
Which was norman, and had nothing to do with your average slavebong.
>These are quoted by James Madison hundreds of times, if you knew your own history.
As are many french sources, and even more norman ones
>You don't speak the same form of English the founders did
I speak the same language, obviously. I never said every pronunciation had to be the same, fucking kek
>, and all of those documents are written in English you moron.
Including the ones written in latin?
>You are 50% white
You sure? You've given me a few dozen numbers so far
>I literally said that in my next sentence you utter fucking mongloid.
Then why bring it up at all? Take your time with the next response lad, it must be hard for you to pass the captcha

>>136609760
>he has to compare an entire country to one of our most liberal states for firearm ownership
I wasn't aware those siege engines they stole from China counted as firearms

>>136610280
Do they trump our southern states with their fire arm stats lanklet? Finland trumping a liberal state with gun ownership stats isn't something to brag about

>>136611333
And that's all the legal registered guns too. Imagine all the gangbangers in LA with HiPoints

>>136611063
In French, yes, because he came from a French dynasty you stupid fuck. The Normans stopped ruling England with the death of Henry I, half a century before John rose to the throne - who came from a different dynasty. By 1200 the Normans had become complete foreigners in England.

>Burger education

>>136611063
>Oh, my poor sides.
It wasn't. Magna Carta its self was a forgotten document within weeks of the civil war that provoked its existence, and similar to the Bill of Rights centuries later, was simply writing down (a pretty revolutionary act in those days) laws that already existed in England centuries prior. The influence and the reputation of Magna Carta comes from its effect on law in the upcoming centuries. It was quoted hundreds of times in caselaws, particularly in the Civil war and Glorious Revolution, as precedent for a certain bill or legislation being passed. In its self, Magna Carta isn't important and certainly isn't the most important in that list. We don't even have the semblance of a Monarchy left unfortunately, which is what Magna Carta is centered on.
>As are many french sources, and even more norman ones
No they aren't. France never had the right to bear arms in its entire history. Have you even read James Madisons work? The United States Supreme Court has quoted the Assize of Arms and Bill of Rights before as the origin of the law.
>I speak the same language, obviously. I never said every pronunciation had to be the same, fucking kek
Then I speak the same language as almost every single one of those bits of legislation were written or exist in. Not only that, I'm genetically closer to your Founding Fathers than the majority of Germans, Irish, Mexicans and negroes in your country to trump your non-argument that "atleast we stll have the founders blood" (you don't).

>Including the ones written in latin?
My fucking sides. Why are you incapable of looking past the Magna Carta? I'll include a seperate comment of all the lists of legislation that hold precedent in the UK and you'll see 95% are written in English.
>Then why bring it up at all? Take your time with the next response lad, it must be hard for you to pass the captcha
Because the argument was about 150 million whites being more than most European countries have.

>>136611333
You don't get to erase part of your country and compare it to something better. The fact is, and my point was that is 100% factually correct, Finland has higher rates of firearm ownership than MANY states in your own country you're bragging about.

>>136611063
Magna Carta (1215), the Provisions of Oxford (1258), the Provisions of Westminister (1259), the Statute of Marlborough (1267), the Welsh Acts of 1535 & 1542, the Petition of Right (1628), Instrument of government (1653), Humble Petition & Advice (1657), Habeas Corpus Act (1679), the Bill of Rights (1689), the Act of Settlement (1701), and the Act of Union (1706), Acts of Union (1800), Reform Acts (1832, 1867, 1884), Representation of the People Act (1928, 1949, 1969), Parliament Acts (1911, 1949), Government of Ireland Act (1920), Irish Free State Act (1922), Irish Free State Constitution Act (1922), Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act (1927), Statute of Westminister (1931), His Majesty's Declaration of Abdication Act (1936), Life Peerages Act (1958), House of Lords Act (1999), European Communities Act (1972), European Union Act (2011), Northern Ireland Constitution Act (1973), Human Rights Act (1998), Scotland Act (1998, 2012, 2016), Wales Act (1998, 2006, 2014), Northern Ireland Act (1998), Freedom of Information Act (2000), Political Parties, Elections & Referendums Act (2000), Civil Contingencies Act (2005), Constitutional Reform Act (2005), Constitutional Reform & Governance Act (2010), Fixed-term Parliaments Act (2011), Succession to the Crown Act (2013), Criminal Justice and Public Order Act (1994)

Here's the entire list mong. Now do a check of how many are written in English.

>>136596143
America has been fucked for some time. Idiots thinks the problem is of a racial nature, but that's not true. The real problem is the growing divide between the rich and the poor. Americans are so brainwashed to fear communism and socialism that will turn a blind eye to the class war being waged against them.

I wouldn't say as america as a nation is fucked, but the future of the majority of the american people sure does look grim as inequality in america(compared to europe) is increasing at an alarming rate. The problem with capitalism is that money is power, and that has allowed a small part of the population to monetize that power. Since money are inherited, so is that power, effectively creating an aristocracy. The only way the power will return to the people is if the people chose to stand together, but considering the state of modern sociology, that does not appear very likely. I mean after all, many americans are ok with not affording to travel abroad during their lives despite this being commonplace in most European nations. Soon, the average american will consider themselves fortunate simply by affording a car.

So tl:dr Europe is less fucked because at least the population of the european states are not currently being turned into slaves.

>>136611810
The Magna Carta didn't even apply to commoners, ignoring the events which came after which made it null, so I'm not sure where that retard is coming from.

>>136611810
>It wasn't. Magna Carta its self was a forgotten document within weeks of the civil wa
It most certainly was not forgotten. It was resurrected right after the war
>No they aren't. France never had the right to bear arms in its entire history.
But their thought did exert a huge amount of influence on our constitution. You seem to be limiting various parts of the discussion in order to keep your hand in.
> The United States Supreme Court has quoted the Assize of Arms
And that is norman, not english
>My fucking sides. Why are you incapable of looking past the Magna Carta?
That and the other norman documents you listed
>>136612010
Most of these were written after the independence. I'm not sorting through that mess, lel
>>136612471
>The Magna Carta didn't even apply to commoners
It wouldn't have to to be influential. Most of our citizens did not have the right to vote, and a good portion were literal slaves.

>>136611902
You haven't answered the question ol crooked tooth, you're comparing it to liberal states with stricter gun laws. I'm not saying that your statement is factual I'm just asking to tell me if they have better gun stats than places like Texas and other southern states. Also its still petty that you have to compare a country to a couple of states, compare it country to country and the us eats out Finland's fat asshole

>>136611702
From a Norman dynasty, and the magna charta was drawn up by normans.
>Saint-mere eglise
>des roches
>Fitzherbert
Real English names there

>>136613213
Once again, Normans weren't in power in 1181 (the earliest example), so no idea why you keep bringing it up - but it makes you look like a moron.

The magna carta literally served to give the nobility more of the king's power, nothing else.

>>136613419
>Angevins
>Norman dynasty
Spot the retard

>>136612037
Kek this nigger has never been to America but claims to know shit.

Fucking euro scum kys

>>136610525
(you)

>>136613213
>It most certainly was not forgotten. It was resurrected right after the war
That wasn't the context in which I was using 'forgotten', and you know it. It was not legal long after its conception, and fell into disarray, with many violations on its existence until the Bill of Rights 4 centuries later.
>But their thought did exert a huge amount of influence on our constitution
My point about James Madison directly linked to the right to bear arms, thus it was relevant. I don't really know how much France effected your constitution, that wasn't at all relevant to MY point, which YOU changed, and now you're accusing ME of trying to divert.
>And that is norman, not english
Then the United States Constitution is English, not American.
>That and the other norman documents you listed
Like the English document that runs your country.
>Most of these were written after the independence. I'm not sorting through that mess, lel
aka
>I'm too lazy and realized I don't have a point
What the fuck do you mean "after independence"? English history didn't end in 1790, you know?

>>136613248
Because I don't care about your question. It's irrelevant to my very simple fact - Finland has one of the highest firearm rates in Europe, and is higher than most states in your country.

>>136596143
They're equally fucked by creeping degeneracy. Islam is their only salvation.

>>136599353
>They are part of our culture but we want the illegals, gangbangers and antiwhites out.
lmfao no
we beat them in a war and banished their shit genetics from our lands for a good reason
they are as much a part of our culture as muslims
they are invaders

>>136613574
>>136613520
Great, my point still stands. Had nothing to do with your English field workers. At any rate, they did have norma lineage, and most of the nobles would have been norman

>>136614029
Like I said, by your standards, the American Constitution is an English document.

>>136614029
>and most of the nobles would have been norman
Once again, spot the retard. Nobility assimilated into the emerged English culture. John was born in England. Normans were seen as foreigners and in many cases run out of the country, e.g. William Longchamp.

You clearly don't know shit about history, and the fact that you act like you do is even worse.

>>136613837
And that means literally nothing. Its a fucking country compared to a couple states. What is this somehow supposed to make Finland better than the us? A fucking entire country with one of the highest firearm rates in europe can barely hold up against a couple states in the us. Youre just proving how pathetic europe is when it comes to fire arm ownership. I swear youre a burger brain stuck in an Anglo body

>>136596143
America is literally 100% fine. The decline of the white population doesn't really matter that much. Other populations integrate quite well, even most blacks and Mexicans. The US is changing without a doubt. Perhaps for the worst even. But our long term survival is virtually guaranteed. Europeans don't really understand America. They think that the non-white population is not a true part of our society. It's not like in Europe where you have millions of Muslims leeching off the country, contributing nothing, waiting for the day they outnumber the Europeans preparing to strike. Aside from a few La Raza types the Mexicans are integrating well. The illegals are mooching but that's an issue that is going to solve itself because their kids are all citizens growing up American. Other immigrant groups are fairing better. Asian Americans are quickly becoming the most well educated group and will no doubt make up most of the elite by 2040, mark my words.

The United States is going strong and will exist as a global power for the entire foreseeable future. Our faces are just getting a bit less white.

>>136614542
No, not at all. The guy I was quoting said "I'm surprised people in Finland even know what a rifle is" or something along those lines. I responded by saying "Finland has the highest rates of firearm ownership in Europe" and you started with your autistic implications on what I was/wasn't saying.

>>136614138
>>>136614029 (You)
>Like I said, by your standards, the American Constitution is an English document.
Wrong. We were English colonies, but our cultural drift was already apparent by the time of the declaration. Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson, Washington, etc were all Americans. It makes sense to trace American history to before the revolution, whereas, for a very long time, you rulers saw you as a foreign people.
>>136613780
>That wasn't the context in which I was using 'forgotten', and you know it. It was not legal long after its conception, and fell into disarray, with many violations on its existence until the Bill of Rights 4 centuries later.
still important lad
>My point about James Madison directly linked to the right to bear arms, thus it was relevant
What is your point exactly?
>Then the United States Constitution is English, not American.
Unlike circumstances. We were already American before the revoluton
>Like the English document that runs your country.
American*
>What the fuck do you mean "after independence"? English history didn't end in 1790, you know?
I won't sort through what's irrelevant to the discussion.

ITT:
Europeans: "Europe is fine. America is dying."
Americans: "America is fine. Europe is dying."

>>136614794
and the only difference between them is that the europeans are right

Europe has more of a welfare problem, so obviously Europe is more fucked.

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>ITT

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America has a very slim chance of being okay. Europe has virtually no chance. We're all fucked laddies

>>136614914
What's a welfare problem exactly? That we give money away to useless chimps like the kinds who make 5 0 P E R C E N T of the united states of amerilard, on top of being "true-blooded" americans unironically? Yeah sure, we shouldn't give money to monkeys, and that will change.
YOUR borderline 3rd world shithole is fast approaching the final solution of South Africa, look at this fucking pathetic damage control thread top KEK
My life is literally 20 times better than yours, fatass. How about this, though. How about you fuck off from Europe, fucking multi-culti defendor and "democracy" bringer.
Retard

>>136614381
>Once again, spot the retard. Nobility assimilated into the emerged English culture. John was born in England. Normans were seen as foreigners and in many cases run out of the country, e.g. William Longchamp.
And some of the signers had parents born in normandy. Culturally, these people had nothing to do with you.
>emerged
Do you mean beginning to emerge? Even Chaucer, mentally, is pretty french

>>136596143
Europoor.

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Yes

>>136615436
United Foodstamps of Niggerlard

America

Spics fuck our demographics up the ass.
Also spics are less stupid and less crazy so they don't drive trucks over small children or rape every underage girl in a town or rape New Year's eve celebrations. Spics keep that shit on the low down and and media cover is therefor more effective. Thus there is less outrage to get the fuckers out.

There is some good news.
Spics are more susceptible to the cultural marxism feminism atheism etc of the left.
And because of their low IQ they just might wink themselves out before a redpill can set them right.
Also in their brilliance they love government spending but hate taxes. This divides their interests and in the identity politics of "gimmi gimmi gimmi but none for you" they play can only lead to municipal bankruptcy and federal welfare cuts which is their life's blood.

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>>136614686
Get the fuck out of here you Vegemite sandwich choking motherfucker you made it seem like finland was somehow supposed to actually have good expirence with guns then compared it to a couple liberal states like cali which literally means theyre better than the air that surrounds them. At the end of the day you went full circle and made Finland look pathetic just as they rightfully need to be looked as. You literally said that they "trump" Cali in a defensive manor like that's supposed to mean anything. That entire statement and this argument has quite frankly been over a statement that means nothing .

>>136616170
brainlet detected

>>136599353
>t. spic

read
>>136599566

>>136616027
Oh and some more bad news for America.
Spic Women between the ages 18 to 22 can actually be attractive before they become brown cubes of meat at age 25 or so.

So yeah their genes have a far better chance of muddizing the white population.

>>136596143
Europe. By America.
The EU is an american project.

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>>136596143
also america is gonna keep doing great for at least 3 decades
i'd love to move there with my children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIdUSqsz0Io
america has won the geographic lottery

>>136596143
Europe by far
USA is fucked,but not nearly as EU