Communism General /polcg/

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Marx for Beginners:
>https://ia800204.us.archive.org/1/items/MarxForBeginners-English/marx_for_beginners.pdf

Works of Marx & Engels:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/index.htm

The Accumulation of Capital by Rosa Luxemburg:
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1913/accumulation-capital/index.htm

Quotations from Mao Tse Tung:
>https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch01.htm

The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin:
>http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/conquest/ch1.html

The State and Revolution, Lenin:
>https://www.marxists.org/ebooks/lenin/state-and-revolution.pdf

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Daily reminder to Drumpfie alt-white supremists:

THERE IS A LIST.

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Reminder that there are leftists in Syria RIGHT NOW fighting against radical Islamic terrorism

Why do you guys continue to follow a failed ideology?

Anonymous(ID:/QHdNtZZ)
08/08/17(Tue)12:26:54No.136563713

"Race-mixing" is the only Jewish lie that separates the masses from uniting under a Christian Nazi flag.

Secular Cultural Marxism.

Just as disgusting as a guy with a Latina fetish. Be a virgin. Find a husband or wife. Not saying I have done this, but it is a quality of the superior race: the Christian Race.

Moses had an Ethiopian wife. And Moses was Christian. If you disagree, fight me. Prepare your Angus.
To the point, Biblically abortion is obviously wrong so it's not worth expounding.

In our steadily growing (((Culturally Marxist Societies))) the real agenda for incentivized abortion is shrouded and sinister.

===

You're all godless. You hate Faith. And put faith in "abiogenesis". It's disgusting. Carbon-14. Strata. Circular logic.

Secularism is the ultimate psuedo-intellectual aspect of "your movement. You are pawns of the Synagogue of Satan.

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>>136565714
It worked in WW2

>>136565606
>there were leftists
they're all dead now.
S

>>136565761
Yea no it didn't, the Soviet Union was being bailed out with American aid. Besides the true testament of an ideology is in times of peace which is when communism failed. Not even China is communist anymore. Communism failed just as much as libertarianism failed in the 19th century.

Suck the salty shit out of my asshole.

Fuck off

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This is an alpha male, right?

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>>136566034
corporate piggy apologist spotted

>you're clear to fire

>>136566063
This is a contest your flag would lose real quick.

>>136566063
Im here for a legit discussion on your ideology anon, not for stale memes. Either defend your shit or fuck off.

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>>136566172
Yes, jews definitely want a cashless, currencyless society with no profit motive.

I like the way you think!

Daily reminder op is most likely the autistic spainfag who has been making these threads everyday for the last seven (7) months. With every thread consisting of:

>commiefags getting btfo
>the same hilariously sad commie knock offs of /pol/ memes
>commiefags getting btfo even more
>wash, rinse, repeat

Autism Speaks: op listens

>>136566266
Currnecyless society, this is impossible to achieve and maintain modern standard of living.

>>136566266
Yes. Because typical Marxists like you let them Donmëh their way into political monopoly. I.e. Bolsheviks (80-95% Jewish "CEOs"), The Young Turks (Donmëh), and more I'm sure.

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>>136566367
>spainfag
ok let's take a gander at my flag

>>136566380
Sorry, didn't know you were that deep into western indoctrination, for some reason I thought you a bit more open minded.

>>136566391
Should I start making a list of all the jewish SS members?

>>136566801
not spainfag

This is what pissed me off most about commie shit posters, none of them argue for their failed ideology. At least natsocs, libertarians, civnats, monarchists and every other ideology failed or otherwise defend their shit. Communists post a bunch of autistic links expect you to research and believe. Convince me cunt. I will not convert to your way of thinking unless you convince me.

>>136566801
>Should I start making a list of all the jewish SS members?

Wake up. Isn't it odd that Jews are the only ones to carry ambiguity between race and religion. There are no Messianic Arabs, Messianic Chinese. There are Nation-States and Religions.

Jews twist this to alter reality.

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ITT: larping commie cucks who live in their middle upper class parents basement, have shameful bodyhygiene and think their multiple times failed ideology will magically work some day when they shitpost theie trash memes often enough.

THE ONLY GOOD COMMIE IS A DEAD COMMIE

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"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.

The principle has its roots in the way that capitalism manages its affairs. That is, each is rewarded according to how much he produces. Remuneration increases as the amount of labor contributed increases. However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.

>>136565358
Entire intro written in obviously subjective voice.

sage

Bolshevism is not Communism.

Marxism-Leninism is revisionist.

S T A T E L E S S

>>136566801
>Sorry, didn't know you were that deep into western indoctrination, for some reason I thought you a bit more open minded.

Currency is useful as a trade medium as it is universally accepted by all parties your requirement is to sell to gain currency to purchase the things you need. Conversely if everything is trade based your requirement shifts from gaining currency to gaining useless shit you don't need to trade for more shit you don't need till finally trading for something you do need. In small communities this isn't an issue but on a national scale it is impossible, you must establish somebody to collect and oversee these resources and manage where theyre going. This person can play god starving some and not others this is where communism is broken.

COMMUNISTS ARE KIKES

>>136567166
Yes, and it worked great when Hitler and his Cabinet perfected it for Christians. Our ideology is superior to Judaism.

And Judaism ran the Bolshevik CENTRAL Government which killed 66 Million Soviet Christians.

And Judaism ran The Young Turks who killed under 2 million Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds and mostly Armenians.

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>>136566943
>>136566391
>>136565751

>>136567209
>Bolshevism is not Communism.

In a perfect world free of (((hi-jacking))), sure. But you are talking about a cosmic lottery ticket winner.

Bobby Fischer - "Bolshevism=SovietCommunism=Judaism"

Oh just fuck off with this shit, I grew up with communism and don't care to go back. I don't want to share my shit with anyone, even more I want to take your shit and women just for myself. I don't care if you live or die. How's that for you?

>>136567166
If a person is to build an organisation up from the bottom with their own hands, become successful and are then able to employ people to do the work that they themselves used to do and become this capitalist leader of industry where they own the means of production. Why are they no longer entitled to it. They built it?

>>136567382
The bottom of the pyramid is the Workers. The top of the Pyramid is Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro? Who were rich at while their nation starved literally to death at times? Just wake up bro. Sieg

>>136567430
so you are an ancap then

>>136567302
Seriously though, are people under Nazi flag just larping or honestly retarded?
>66 Million Soviet Christians
>66 Gorrilions
>All started with a capital letter
Is it a disease and if it is, is it transmitted?

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>>136567430

>>136567517
Ancap = libertarian and both are just as failed as communism.
Wanting shit does not = ancap

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>>136567580
Do you really not believe 66 Million Soviet Christians died at the hands of Jewish (((Bolsheviks)))? Do you realize how many leftovers in bank accounts, land and assets that would amount to?

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>>136567504
Picrelated is a famous Stalin's dacha. Surely he has lived like a king, hasn't he?

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>>136567811
You are disgusting.

>>136567811
Looks like a mansion to me larger than the houses of most cunts.

>>136566801

>not spainfag

There was an american, a netherlander and a canadian as well. Which ever one you are, you are a monument to autism and failure

>7 months of getting shit on, everyday, by your own choice

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>>136567811
And picrelated is a room in the mediocre (all my relatives, despite not being a party members, lived in appartments much better though, but that's probably because they were not ordinary factory workers, but engineers) flat issued for free.

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>>136567580
Remember, when you're arguing with a nazi, you're arguing with someone who creates signs like these.

>>136567673
Nope. That would mean that the Bolsheviks killed half of our population, and we had a positive growth for all the Soviet timeline, probably except the war.

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>>136567580
Remember, when you're arguing with a nazi, you're arguing with someone who creates signs like these. fixd

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>>136567933
Honestly a step better than the initial Bolshevik regime, but still secular. Definitely a slow move to pre-Bolshevik, Czar traditionalism(Christian Orthodoxy which Russia has today). But by then the BANK ACCOUNTS LANDS AND ASSETS HAD BEEN LIQUIDATED FOR (((BOLSHEVIK BEURGOISE)))).

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>>136568033
Brainwashed, partisan, straw-grabbing phaggot.

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Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
https://www.islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

>>136568040
>arguing
cunt, your hardly arguing. Your just pasting stale fucking memes. Attacking somebody's character we are here to discuss communism which you seem completely incapable of doing.

>>136568177
Hilarious

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>>136568040
whoooooooooooooooooo
rekt!

>>136568114
What the hell are you even talking about, seriously? If anything, Hitler was a pro-zionist lizard, as he was the one backed by "(((banks)))" to destroy the only country which abandoned the curret (at the times) monetary system.
>Christian Orthodoxy which Russia has today
It is not really true, we are multi-culti today and muslim savages are considered to be bros by Christians (fun fact: the muslims themselves don't consider Russians to be "bros", but rather a cattle to be slaughtered). Our religious institute today is the worst kind of religious institute imaginable - it exists purely for controlling the political views of populance and constis entirely of uneducated village brats and insane babooshkas.

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Never going to be better then NASOC

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>>136566128
look who's talking

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>>136566266
It's the delusion of the ideology that gets the whole country poor and then susceptible to being taken advantage of like good goyim.
Why are commies so FUCKING retarded?

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>>136568428
Fun fact: Nazi Symbolism was stolen from Stalin

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>>136568398

>What the hell are you even talking about, seriously? If anything, Hitler was a pro-zionist lizard, as he was the one backed by "(((banks)))" to destroy the only country which abandoned the curret (at the times) monetary system.

Havaara Agreement is only proof of his CHRISTIANITY and should shine a light if doubt in the justification of war. (HOLOHOAX)

The only solution for Bolsheviks/Usury Executives/Bourgeoisie/Judaism is exile. Like over 200 nations in history.

>Christian Orthodoxy which Russia has today
>It is not really true, we are multi-culti

Just shut up.

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>>136568428

>>136568577
>commie equivalent of we wuz kangz
Pathetic.

>>136568545
>polish commie
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

>>136567302
>And Judaism ran The Young Turks who killed under 2 million Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds and mostly Armenians.

Shame they couldn't exterminate the disease entirely.

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>>136568807
>muh national exceptionalism won't let me objectively align with the an opposing ideology

>>136568837
Disgusting roach. Donmëh fuck your women in USE trafficking and you stay oblivious. Check Dubai sometime.

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>>136568984
Nazi tears are delicious desu

>>136569114
Oh wow a Turkish-loving commie.

How fucking retarded are you, or is your name Goldstein with the (((bait)))

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>>136568779
But it is true. Look up the "Пapaд физкyльтypникoв", for example. A few months ago I had a debate with insane nazi fanboy on the topic of German "plagiarism" (I don't consider it plagiarism - but the debate was started because of his accuses of plagiarism towards the SU) regarding "the cult of the body". This shit was firstly took place in, like, 1922, ten years before Hitler came to power. And everything in regards of style has (except for Hugo boss) had it's Soviet analogues, it is just not fetishized.
>>136568609
I can't comprehend you. I've talked about the "(((bolshevik)))" nonsense, now you are accusing me of doubting Hitler's christianity by linking a... Havaara agreement, something that actually undermines it? Holy shit.
>Usury Executives/Bourgeoisie/Judaism is exile. Like over 200 nations in history.
I agree. Do you know that Stalin purged the Jews and Russia has the biggest antisemetic sentiment amongst "western" countries thanks to an open anti-jewish propoganda?

>>136569278
I can't keep up either.

>>136568984
Well desu dönmeh contributed more to this society than muzlamic sultans soooo, I approve them. They also killed rebellious collaborator minorities.

red pill me on communism
What's so good about it

>>136569278
>(I don't consider it plagiarism - but the debate was started because of his accuses of plagiarism towards the SU)
I understand that, but saying that the Nazis copied the Soviets verbatim is pants on head retarded.

>>136569537
its good if you're a weak minded person who thinks retarded low iq people should get your housing space and money while starving to death with them

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>>136565358
>>136569642
Happening. Red China and India are about to fight!

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>>136565358
I'm confiscating this thread and redistributing it in the name of spider man.

>>136569537
Nothing. Communism is an ideal system for poor & working class people because it gives them an utopia where they will rule over the world but economically it cannot achieve things it promised so it will always collapse.

>>136568177
This will never not be funny

>>136569803
Awesome, where do I sign up for free helicopter rides?
>>136570880
How is communism good for anybody?
Are there seriously humans who enjoy working hard without reward and having to wait in line to get some bread while other corrupt humans lmao their asses off?

>>136573126
>Are there seriously humans who enjoy working hard without reward

The entire point is in capitalism you are working hard without reward because capitalists are stealing your labour value.

The idea of communism is the workers taking control of the economy and eventually eliminating it once achieving postscarcity.

When the workers democratically control their means of production they receive full value of their labour as any surplus is returned to the labourer.

>>136575786
Reading this shit makes me so happy that the whole world hates communists
How delusional can you people be? Legit question, what do you currently do for a living?

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>that the whole world hates communists
Just not true

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>>136575975
>that the whole world hates communists
> A surprising 64 percent of Americans agreed with the classic Karl Marx statement that underpins Marxist philosophy: “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

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>>136575975
>that the whole world hates communists
I can see how you would think that if you only browse /pol/ I guess

>>136575975
I work at a restaurant as a cook.

Which one of your bag of stawmen does that fit?

>>136565965
so, now we have corporatism. geuss it didnt fail, lets just submit to the big banking jews XDD

if you dont want to evolve your beliefs, kill yourself.

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>>136576264
>All women, ugly nu-males and shitskins

Woah. . . So this. . . Is. . . The Power. . . of. . . Socialism. . .

Woah

>>136576188
Fake Survey.

>>136576701
There are several studies that show the same thing. Even one from 'victims of communism'. Why would they perform a fake survey showing more support for communism?

>The study found a growing acceptance of socialist and Marxist viewpoints among a younger generation of Americans

http://victimsofcommunism.org/new-report-reveals-u-s-attitudes-on-socialism-communism-on-eve-of-2016-election/

>>136576701
>>All women, ugly nu-males and shitskins
There are like two non-white people in that picture idiot, not that it matters much. They look like average working people you could pass in the street, what are you expecting?

>>136577398
I doubt he often interacts with other people on the street

>>136576188
nice source
>go to a big leftist university
>pick all the women with green hair and men with twink arms
>'what do you think about the statement from each according to his ability to each according to his needs?'
>sounds good mr. Shekelberg
OH WOW SEEMS LIKE AMERICANS ARE TURNING INTO COMMUNISTS
>>136576264
Socialist parties see a huge spike of new members!
From 50 members to 100!
OH WOW SEEMS MIKE SOCIALISTS ARE DOUBLING IN NUMBERS IN AMERICA, PROJECTED TO TRIPLE SOON
>>136576435
Lmao what would restaurants look like under communist rule? Who will go there when everyone gets their food from bread lines?
Also doesn't surprise me that a low level job holder cries about bad capitalism cause his boss drives a new BMW

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>>136567209
Good luck with wealth redistribution without a state.
Anarcho capitalism is the only model of anarchism that has even a sliver of logic behind it

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>>136577398
Are you serious? They all look like upper middle-class "bourgeoise".

The actual Proletariat overwhelmingly votes Right-wing.

>>136577100
>Why would they perform a fake survey showing more support for communism?

Agenda pushing.

>>136577694
So every survey is fake for different reasons. Got it

>>136577591
>anarchism defies human nature
>communism defies human nature
Double negative, therefor anarcho communism works!

>>136577560
>Also doesn't surprise me that a low level job holder cries about bad capitalism cause his boss drives a new BMW

man that was the most obvious strawman you could have picked.

>Lmao what would restaurants look like under communist rule?

Democratically controlled and self managed.

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>>136577970
>Democratically controlled and self managed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHABABABAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>136577970
Then tell me what's so bad about your current position? You work your regular hours, flip burgers and get paid your money
Your boss works more than you, has all the responsibilities and fights for the survival of the restaurant

How would a democratically managed restaurant work? Who has all the responsibilities and has the final word? Have you never had group assignments in school? One person has to fuckin lead, this is human fucking nature
Or will there be a leader who works the hardest but still get paid the same as a cook because >muh equality

>>136578199
Seriously this is what I fucking expected
I remember when I was in school I always had to lead the group assignments or else go down with the ship because group decisions simply don't freaking work
In what kind of world do these people live?

>>136578493
>You work your regular hours
Not so true anymore
>New figures based on an analysis of Office for National Statistics data reveal that 105,000 more people were on contracts that do not guarantee work in 2016 compared with the same period in 2015.
That's an increase of nearly 14%, and 30% higher than 2014.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39147135

>>136578493
>Then tell me what's so bad about your current position?
Well luckily our predecessors formed the early labor movements and people have some rights in the workplace as a result of this. Not as ideal as controlling your own hours and owning your own capital, but it's a start.

To answer:
>Who has all the responsibilities and has the final word?
Well the nature of a collective which people's lives depend on would mean that one person doesn't hold all responsibility, since the capital is collectively owned and it is in the interests of everyone to come to a compromise which serves all interests together.

>Have you never had group assignments in school? One person has to fuckin lead

Bit of a false equivalence, friendo. You can't really equate a collective which people's working lives depend on to a vinegar and baking soda volcano.

>>136578493
>Your boss works more than you

lol

>Who has all the responsibilities and has the final word?

Someone democratically elected.

>Have you never had group assignments in school? One person has to fuckin lead

Yeah someone who is elected from among the workers.

>Or will there be a leader who works the hardest but still get paid the same as a cook because

I'm not sure how logistical bureaucracy is more work than actual physical labour.

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>>136578819
Communism has literally never worked
>Greece
>Venezuela
>USSR
>NK (Definitely a failed state)
>Cuba
>Cambodia

Obviously the list is so much longer but I cbf writing about 599494 countries

And yet you want to try this shitty ideology again?

>Pic related is communists trying to make excuses for communist states collapsing

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>>136578790
>In what kind of world do these people live?
They live in their discord and reddit echochambers and manage to convince one another that a shitty, vile, and contradictory ideology will work if we just give it one more try

Look at them, they avoid half of the arguments made against them in this thread and go only for the low hanging fruit with cookie cutter responses. So far not a single one of these faggots has dared to tackle anything I've posted.

Absolutely pathetic, just like the brainlets that developed this pipe dream of a "political philosophy".

>>136579613
>Look at them, they avoid half of the arguments made against them in this thread
>>136578199
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHABABABAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Your posts are shit and not worth a response

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>>136579300
>Greece
>Venezuela
>USSR
>NK (Definitely a failed state)
>Cuba
>Cambodia

All prime examples of state capitalism.
Nice try sweetie.

>>136579613
>So far not a single one of these faggots has dared to tackle anything I've posted.
I mean, that's mostly because you've not really asked any questions or posed any arguments of actual substance other than rather blatant attempts to disparage an entire political ideology with memes and cherry picked news articles.

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>>136579796
Thanks for proving my point by specifically avoiding discussion on the image

You truly are a brilliant bunch. Keep your tongue off the windows

>>136578959
But it just doesn't work like that
People have different opinions and one person always has to give in and the person giving in positioned himself lower therefore building a hierarchy again..
>>136579115
So someone gets elected to have all the responsibility still puts him in a higher up position therefore defying the meaning of collective
And even if, why would that person having all the responsibilities be on the same level as everyone else and get the same pay? He literally works more

Also, I've worked in physical labor as my first job and I used to do my work without thinking, go home and live my life and now that I have a managing bureaucracy job I have stress at work because I'm above people, have to care about multiple people and their problems, do my own work and stress myself about bringing in the money and think of ways to advance our company and then I go home and still constantly think about work because these responsibilities simply won't leave your mind if you leave work
And I can tell you from personal experience that walking kilometers a day and collecting 100 kg garbage cans didn't put more stress on my body than the mental stress and thinking all day

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>>136565358
Fug :DDDD

>>136579956
The image of some business failing somewhere? So fucking what? It is completely irrelevant and cherry picked. Make a decent point in your own words and you will the same back

>>136579613
One of the only based leafs in this board, keep it up

>>136579937
>State capitalism
When will this meme die? You always try your hardest to worm your way out of accepting that your ideology has failed.

>>136573126
>Are there seriously humans who enjoy working hard without reward and having to wait in line to get some bread while other corrupt humans lmao their asses off?

That's not the case. What you read is why communism fails, not why it has supporters. Communism has supporters because it was founded by philosopher for poor folk. As I said, it gives poor folk an utopia where there's no one who stands above them, no owners, no banks bla bla. Perfect ideology for demagogues.

Believing in promises and demonising some people are a lot easier than actually doing something good to improve your economic situation.

>>136580468
>Perfect ideology for demagogues.
No, that is right wing politics

>>136580100
You were the one that posted the pic of more Americans joining socialist parties. How was this not completely irrelevant and cherry picked? You didn't go into what I said.. just like the leaf called you out that you only go into the low hanging fruit arguments
You're such a hypocrite that it hurts

>>136580635
I posted sources of surveys that back up that point

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>>136580100
>Austrian asks what a communistic resteraunt would look like
>"Democratically controlled and self managed"
>given perfect example of probably the only establishment of the sort to have ever existed
>cherry picked
Hmm where have i heard this type of dismissal before? You're really rotating my turbines here

>>136580584
There you go a fucking gain
This roach posts a paragraph and all you do is respond to the low hanging fruit and put up a stupid respond
>no actually is le other side xD

>>136567673
>Lazar Kaganovich was the biggest mass murderer in human history
His murders were in Ukraine, which probably didn't even have 60 million people at the time. The famine there killed like 5 million.

>>136580006
>People have different opinions and one person always has to give in and the person giving in positioned himself lower therefore building a hierarchy again.
Well, not really, but I do see where you are coming from.

>>136580316
It's not my ideology, in fact the notion that one must conform to all aspects of an ideology just because they agree with one idea is a pretty flawed concept which is how you assume I think.

I'm anti vanguardist, and therefore against a political class, which is what created state ownership of capital in those countries. Perhaps you ought to do a little research on power structures before you go about making those assumptions.

>>136567869
ebin fake quote.

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>>136580780
>given perfect example of probably the only establishment of the sort
Wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
>>136580784
Okay you want examples of right wing demagogues and populism? because there are plenty of examples

>>136580468
I like your response
Basically what I interpret out of this is that all of the commie posters in here are not only poor and dumb, they're also easily persuaded into stupid shit that only keeps them down more and suppresses them right in front of their noses without them realizing it :)

>>136568177
Bless you Toothpaste.

>>136581065
Ayo hol' up,
You're saying controlling your own means of production oppresses you?
Shiet I guess I didn't realize the whole time!

>>136578199
If you actually read the article you'd know that it closed for a lot of reasons, many of which were totally unrelated to socialism.

>>136580994
But those aren't run on Marxist principles. They are run more like a republic of workers. I bet they have different pay grades too.

>>136581424
wow it's almost like anarchists aren't marxists

>>136581424
>I bet they have different pay grades too
Some do, some don't

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2014/aug/28/suma-the-natural-food-wholesaler-run-by-workers-on-equal-pay

>This multiplicity of roles is fairly typical for workers at the West Yorkshire-based natural foods wholesale cooperative. What’s more, everyone is paid exactly the same rate of £13 an hour. With almost 200 members, Suma is thought to be the largest organisation in Europe operating an equal pay policy.

>>136581407
Ah, the TYT Venezuelan argument. Let me guess, the CIA sabotaged the restaurant too.

>>136581617

https://archive.is/TPTzb

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>>136581617
>The approach is certainly working for Suma. The worker-owned and managed co-op, founded in 1976, has grown to become the UK’s largest independent natural food wholesaler and distributor

>>136581617
Sounds like a good example of how you can experiment with different ideas in a capitalist economy. Imagine trying to experiment with a market based idea in a socialist economy.

>>136580584
Demagogry has no ideology. There are leftist demagogues too, the most recent example is Alexis Tsipras.

>>136581311
Workers have agreed to use those means of production in profit of the businessmen they work for and, in exchange, they get salary for their labour. Seizing means of production doesn't make workers rich since they do what the businesmen order them to do. Means of production is not money printing machine unless you have a merit and intelligent idea which you can use to profit.

Boys Boys Boys this communism shit aint even working. It has never worked and will never work. When will you guys realize this shit.

>>136581905
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

>>136581905
Well your argument initially was that you bet they have different pay grades, which is wrong.

> Imagine trying to experiment with a market based idea in a socialist economy.
Well in a socialist economy that is impossible by definition

>>136581311
Literally what?

>>136582053
>Market_socialism
So, you force everyone to work in a way that you deem best and destroy all free will to have any other way of doing things. Sounds like a grand utopia!

>>136582089
>I said that I bet they have different pay grades.
>You confirm that I guessed correctly for the most part.
>I say that experimenting with ideas like this is only possible in capitalism.
>You then say my "argument" (aka, my guess) about pay grade is incorrect.

Go lick a car battery

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>>136580994
>coop
>marxist
Kek
>>136581581
Then what's your argument?

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>>136582489
>worshipping a guy that killed millions of his own people and has the second highest kill score in history.. after another communist
Lmao you guys really are a joke and I'd really like to see what you guys look like IRL
I'm in a right wing political party in Austria and I know what the socialist youth here looks like and it's just laughable

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>>136582489
This is more accurate
Goodnight.

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>>136565358
How do Marxists plan to stop plebeian overpopulation, especially in nigger areas like Africa?

Socialism is basically an r-selection ideology that favors the lowest-common-denominator plebeian masses, and effectively demonizes people of higher merit as the "bourgeoisie", relegating their ability to lead, or command resource allocation, entirely to the whims of the plebs. This essentially creates a constant brain-drain effect. Also, since Marxism is based entirely on the whims of the masses; how can one effectively prevent overpopulation, and squandering of resources, or otherwise motivate people to do anything besides just look for the next meal or petty entertainment?

>>136565606
They're just squatting in areas that the FSA already secured. Watch Sargon's video about them. No proof of confirmed kills, they're just a bunch of LARPing cheerleaders.

Where did all the commies go?
That one poor commie probably had to go flip some burgers and planing a revolt to overthrow his restaurant manager and lead the restaurant with his burger flipping friends and then shut down the restaurant because they were so busy arguing over dumb things that they didn't have time to flip burgers... what a struggle

Lmao

>>136585801
Are you seriously this delusional that you think this is what a communist future will look like

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>>136585801
>delusions

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"I will bomb schools who teaches communism and terrorism!"

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>>136587791
lol

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>>136585801
Why do commies always sound like an autistic forum moderator talking about his super unique and special roleplay setting?

>EVERYTHING WILL BE PERFECT GUYS THERE'LL BE NO GOVERNMENT OR LAWS BUT EVERYONE WILL BE NICE TO EACHOTHER AND NOBODY WILL BE GREEDY BECAUSE WE'LL BREED THOSE GENES OUT AND A SUPER INTELLIGENT AI WILL PLAN EVERYTHING PERFECTLY AND ROBOTS WILL DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU AND NOBODY WILL DISAGREE OR THEY'LL BE REEDUCATED AND AND AND

>>136587959
Commies BTFO

>>136565358
Stop posting. Anytime.

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>>136587271
Red China and India are about to fight over the Siliguri Corridor and you're basically fucking stupid.

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>how do we make communism work?
>with sci-fi and sheeet

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BLONALRD GRUMPF HAS TWOOOOOOO SCOOOOOPS

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>>136565358
Explain how the Stasi or the KGB would have accepted being part of the working class instead of becoming the untouchable elite of the country.

Fucking retard

>>136583310
The two countries with the fastest economic growth in history were the USSR and Mao's China. Despicable regimes, but their planned economy made them rise out of the shithole- 2%-literacy-rate shitholes that they were before to become the world's most powerful countries.

>>136588859
Dude AI n' shit

>>136589369
shieet

>>136565358 (OP)
The best argument for communism is that power is usually concentrated within intelligence agencies or the ruling political party, who are very motivated to keep that power for themselves. This is in contrast to capitalist or non-communist countries, who whore away their power to multinational corporations and effectively state-less individuals who often have more power than many actual politicians.

Those of you against communism, is it only communism you are against, or all left wing leaning systems? say social democracy for example

>>136584442
I was at the gym friend, back now to BTFO capitalists

>>136589678
>left wing leaning systems
What does that even mean at this point? Le Pen's social and economic policies were mostly "left-wing", yet since she doesn't want more niggers in her country she gets labeled Far-Right-Neo-Hitler. Now France got a full blown Neoliberal Investment Banker as President and leftists are proclaiming "victory" because they get to have more niggers. Left-Wing/Ring-Wing dichotomy doesn't make any fucking sense anymore.

>>136589678
I'm liberal and I am against communism.

There's a difference between wanting a better return for our tax dollars and a system that I guess we won't ditch until it's murdered a ten figure number.

>>136589678
I'm against all left leaning ideologies, communism failed many times to work for there is no incentives to motivate a man to work hard just to feed others. Russia failed, China abandoned, Soviet Union dissolved, etc.

Regarding why I hate democracy is because it only works when there are opposing groups. It cannot achieve unity or else what's the purpose of it.

Most of leftist ideologies which I abandoned is due to their incoherent and weak fundamentals regarding their ideas. Go back to the very basic of human needs and purposes and you'll see how weak your ideologies are.

That's why the commies here have tried for decades to change this country into communism but they always hike back down from their mountains due to the lack of food- which has always been the problem of communism.

>>136590240
Also communism is inherently flawed and more akin to mental-masturbation material for intellectuals than an actual political system.

>>136565358
Commies get the oven

>>136590348
Okay so are you in support of say universal healthcare? Not trying to trip you up or anything just curious. What about immigration?

>>136588982
At what cost though? What's the point ofa fast growing economy when you have no culture and mass starvation?

>>136590478
Not sure what you're trying to achieve interviewing people who can't even agree on what basic terms mean

>Communist party seizes the means of production
>claims they represent "the people"
>claims that this is equivalent to "the people" seizing the means of production

This is how it will go down, pretty much every time. Stop eating up low-grade propaganda like idiots.

>>136590427
>Go back to the very basic of human needs and purposes
Do you think capitalism meets these needs? or are you a fascist?
>>136590585
Just trying to spark some real discussion instead of endless shitposting I guess

>>136590675
>spark some real discussion
There is no discussion to be had with Reds. History speaks for itself. You're going to face the wall faggot along with your pet niggers and capitalist financiers.

>>136590478
I'm for universal healthcare because that grants people a greater economic freedom than /pol/ would ever want to admit. Imagine if my fellow burgers ha their taxes applied to health care instead of shackling themselves to jobs they hate for the (((benefits)))

In regards to immigration I'm not for completely open borders. We need our vetting processes but other than that I'm not against people coming here to hustle and make a better life. That's kind of what America is about.

>>136590584
Ask your goverment.
>>136590838
Oh, you're one of them LARPers. Nevermind.

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>>136590838
Okay I tried but this is /pol/ afterall

>>136590886
>That's kind of what America is about.
And why America is cancer and destroying the planet.

>>136583516
Commies will ignore this post because they have no answer.

>>136589678
I'm social democrat and I oppose communist economics because it collapses everytime.

>>136590946
The only reason you exist is due to capitalist financiers.

>>136590942
>LARPer
So you deny the fact openly that the Soviet Union did not accept Capitalist US aid in WW2 and that this was the reason why they were able to exist in the first place?

You are also suggesting that it is considered "LARP" to kill Reds? Yet history continually proves you wrong.

So what exactly are you suggesting? Or are you just another cucked out Leftist faggot who thinks that we aren't training and that this is just a place to come and shitpost?

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>>136591119
who thinks that we aren't training and that this is just a place to come and shitpost?
lmao fuck off

>>136591241
The altright is cucked. Do you seriously think I'm a member of that blown out """movement"""?

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>>136591119
>Or are you just another cucked out Leftist faggot who thinks that we aren't training and that this is just a place to come and shitpost?

That why the majority of fast threads on this board are bait threads? Oh right - that's because of the Jews of course. Keep on fighting the good fight, warrior of the West! :^)

>>136591241
Also learn to greentext you pathetic Reddit-tier worm, especially if you intend to try and actually appear as if you fucking belong here - which you don't and never will.

>>136591557
>thinks that there isn't a core group of fanatical radicals that haven't corresponded among themselves

You're really naive.

>>136591500
I'm still laughing at you saying that /pol/ is in training

>>136591614
/pol/ is not "in training", learn to read with some subtext for once in your life.

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>>136591241
>>136583516
Address this.

Also, explain how "real communism" could fix pic related.

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>>136591602
>He thinks anyone cares about his d&d group larping as nazis on Discord

w-wow... the fire truly is rising...

>>136591889
>Discord
HAHAHA

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>>136591241
>communist trying to ad hominem attack based on appearance
You're not in the position to do this.

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>>136591720
wew
okay so what points specifically?

>>136592052
Most commies would be thrown into prison or shot by their own "comrades" if they start succeeding as well. many red army veterans faced this fate

>>136592131
Oh look, a Red can't read and can't form coherent thoughts - shocker!

>>136591925
Glad you're laughing your ass off too

>>136592186
My advice:
read the book SIEGE by James Mason.

Maybe then we'll talk.

>>136592251
I will!

>>136565358
hello habe all the cucks gathered?
good
first topic of the day is how not to cry when getting cucked

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>>136592251
https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Alexander_Slavros

>pffttt

>>136592251
>SIEGE by James Mason
>Universal Order is the name of a National Socialist "operational front" founded by James Mason. Growing out of the National Socialist Liberation Front, Mason founded the order in the early 1980s following the advice of Charles Manson, leader of the mass-murder cult "The Family". Not only did Manson suggest the name, but he also designed the logo used by the group, a swastika superimposed over the scales of justice.[3]

>It later focused on presenting a National Socialist perspective on the paranormal.

wow

>>136592379
Good, that's a start.

>>136592417
He doesn't live in America and has nothing to do with the American movement..

>>136592435
Do you think I give a fuck about James Mason as a person? He wrote good advice

We're taking it.

>>136592131
I think own that same shotgun, looks like the Win SXP

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>>136592485
>He doesn't live in America and has nothing to do with the American movement..

Nah, he just fostered every line of your ideology and makes all of your fliers and hosts the forum and discord you all use.

>>136591720
It's probably going to be something like
>we need more money for dem programs
>muh rayyycism
>if we interbreed long enough...

Communism is just meaningless garbage without any real use, so obviously it doesn't have an answer to race questions.

Leftism ultimately boils down to nigger-worship, everything else, including communism, is just diversion.

>>136592623
I don't inhabit IM. IM has good resources but I'm not a member of the community.

>>136592131
>>136592172
>commie's can't refute

Nice.

I guess my main point is how are you going to make Africa better via Marxism, when they basically already have a "gibsmedat" culture all on their own, and it keeps dragging them down to plebeian levels. Again, please read the whole thing.

>>136593325
>Again, please read the whole thing.
I mean it was saying a lot of things about not giving to international charities, blacks are inherently childish, population explosion etc

I agree there is a lot of corruption in Africa as a result of a lot of factors and charities that claim to be helping Africa may well not be at all. In regards to the population explosion, that is not something specific to Africa. All countries go through something similar at some point. Same 'explosion' happened in England during the industrial revolution, it will naturally level out.

In regards to communism, the idea put forward by Marx is that it needs to happen in developed, capitalist countries first. So Africa going communist now would not work

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>>136566266
In communism they will control everything, not just "most" like they do under capitalism. That's why they like communism.

>>136593987
How does a massive population of plebeians only interested in gibs advance humanity, and why should they be given total power instead of delegating power to a meritocratic hierarchy?

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>>136565358
Daily Dose:
https://youtu.be/aG1Jd3PF-JU

>>136595415
nice

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>>136565358
Kill yourselves, useless idiots

>>136595415
The way I see it, Stalinism, Maoism, and Nazbol are basically the only forms of "communism" that work, because they force niggers and plebs to behave. or get gulag'd/shot. They and generally allow for cultural/national traditions to persist (besides Soviets banning Christmas like the Grinch), which keeps the people happy and gives them a sense of identity so they can feel that their efforts are going to a worthy cause. Of course, leftlibs will claim it's "not real communism".

Anarcho-communism would basically be like Detroit or a Brazilian favela.

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>>136597050
why do you keep posting this, if anything its an argument against capitalism. The price of rent is some places is ridiculous, more and more young people are having to stay with parents

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At least everyone hates liberals.

>>136597283
Yeah it's just whole matter of far left lunatics being so worthless and unhirable they feel no other option is left but to try to take away from everyone else and make their government due it.

>>136597599
>worthless and unhirable
Generalisation
>they feel no other option is left
understandable. The kids growing up now are going to be stuck mostly renting for ridiculous prices as well as working until they are dead as western governments are slowly taking away pensions

>>136597050
>Daily Fail

>>136597599
>worthless and unhirable
propaganda

>The survey, which questioned more than 1,000 UK office workers on how much overtime they do, found that on average 16-to 24-year-olds clock up an extra seven hours and 22 minutes each week, two hours more than office staff aged over 55. The results also show that 11% of 16- to 24-year-olds work more than 20 hours overtime each week.

https://www.officegenie.co.uk/blog/20150904-official-young-people-work-hardest

These young people are being screwed out of pensions and benefits, have little hope of home-onwership

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>>136583516
>r-selected ideology
>r-selected humans

>>136581633
Nice strawman. Who mentioned the CIA?

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>>136597599

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>>136595415

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>>136597599
>Yeah it's just whole matter of capitalist lunatics being so worthless and unhirable they feel no other option is left but to try to take away from everyone else and make their government help them.

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Trotsky did nothing wrong

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>>136601608

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>>136601654
>American
>Communist

>>136602155
Soon
>>136576188
> A surprising 64 percent of Americans agreed with the classic Karl Marx statement that underpins Marxist philosophy: “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

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>>136602016
millennials reject capitalism ,does that mean that they will become communists?

>>136565358

>Be Marx
>Look at Hegel
>Take Hegel's formula, which Hegel uses to prove PRUSSIAN MONARCHY will be the new epoch with an IDEALISTIC SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY
>Be Historically illiterate buffoon.
>Replace Idealism with debased 19th Century Materialism
>Plot out a cartoonish Whig History with your stupid ideology at the center
>Make your system THE FINALITY
>Make economics somehow the main determinant of man.
>Ignore or sideline everything else
>Idiots buy into your theory
>Try to overthrow capitalism.
>Surely, it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>Idiots buy into your theory.
>Try to overthrow capitalism.
>Surely, it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>Idiots by into your theory
>This new technology will surely make capitalism obsolete!
>Surely it will end now!
>It doesn't.
>150 Years later
>Idiots buy into 150-year old theory
>It's been the standardized method of academic rebellion for some time now.
>Nobody questions the 'rebels'. Assumes its correct.
>Keep on 'The Struggle'
>Surely, it will end now
>It doesn't
>Robots take over the economy
>Surely, it will end now!
>It will be like Star Trek!
>Fully Automated Gay Space Communism
>It doesn't happen
>Capitalism adapts
>Workers still work. Capitalists still own. Property exists.
>Download Das Capital on the holo-computer you bought with you e-bucks.
>Buy into theory
>Try to overthrow space capitalism
>It doesn't happen
>Get sent to Lunar Penal Colony
>Watch robots sort lunar rocks for 10.4 Coin per hour.
>Government can't pay you nothin'
>You think:
>We're in Late Stage Capitalism, surely.
>It's all going to go into a utopia, right?
>History keeps on going.
>History ain't Marx's bitch.

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>>136602470
>be this guy

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>>136602470
have a (you), you are obviously desperate for one

>>136566266

You assume it can come into effect in the first place. It is not Star Trek.

And that a cashless society is automatically more free...

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>>136602469
>Liberal media shilling against Communism
>Conservative media shilling against Communism
>Still 20% of Millennials in the US want Communism now

>>136603377
if ever the US became communist,it will be USA's biggest mistake.

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>>136602470
Not an argument

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>>136603377
Despite all the lies and "Victims of Communism" shilling Millennials and Generation Z can see the truth about Communism and Stalin

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>>136604281
At least China is embracing the renewables.

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>>136604578

>>136604578
Thats an oddly well modelled memeball

>>136604669
The left really can't meme

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>>136601608
>>136602016
>>136603377
>>136604437
It's happening

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What happens if I decide not to relinquish my land and means of production?

I mean presumably a great deal of workers and business-owners alike aren't going to be down with having their livelihood taken away from them for some nebulous and ill-defined 'greater good', so if a business and its employees collectively decide to tell communists to leave them the fuck alone, will their rights be respected or will they be forced?

>>136604897
>muh memes

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/12/alt-right-guy-shouts-but-what-about-the-memes-as-hes-kicked-out-of-rally-6703668/

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>>136604535

>>136604897
WHAT ABOUT THE MEMES??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXRbIdaLD4Q

>>136602660

Is that the best retort you have? A dumbass Porky meme?

>>136604298

>Assuming I'm an Ancap.

>>136604669
>hasnt collapsed per se
Lol my sides
What a shitty meme

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>>136605095

>>136605570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQzCE2wuIo

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>>136605108
at least the vast majority of Greeks dont live like north koreans.

>>136605108

Greece was fucked over by Socialists who took power after the end of the Junta, drowning the country under piles of debt via gibs, among other things.

Greece hasn't had a Monarchy since 1974. The Royalists were right to hurl the KKE into Yugoslavia before then.

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>>136606111
Checked, porky btfo

>>136606800
Lol

>>136606800
so,we should have a communist state to make every greek poor?

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>>136595948
>>136594264
>>136593325
>>136591720
>>136583516
Commies still can't refute my posts. They just ignore me and spam shitty /leftypol/ memes.

>>136607997
I answered your posts dude

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>>136565358

>>136608153

Answer this one:
>How does a massive population of plebeians only interested in gibs advance humanity, and why should they be given total power instead of delegating power to a meritocratic hierarchy?

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>>136608389
>population of plebeians only interested in gibs
You are assuming that all African people are only interested in 'gibs'. why?

>>136565358
It's a failed, genocidal ideology.
Alinsky said at least 25 million Americans would have to be killed outright, and another 50 million "reeducated".
Just move to Venezuela or N. Korea you fuken pussies.