How do I get past this level

They were the masterrace

>/pol/ is one person

>>136550803
Hitler never, EVER practiced socialism.

There is not a single example of him doing anything other than capitalism. In the Night of the Long Knives he actually killed close friends who claimed he wasn't socialist enough.

>>136551092

Then how did Germans get all that nice free shit while the rest of the world was sitting in bread lines

>>136550803
>Hitler's socialism: Survived for 12 years and ended in cities in ruins.
>Soviet socialism: Survived for 74 years and ended in Russian Federation.

>>136551208
Germans were sitting in bread lines too.

>>136551243

Yes, one of them took 120 countries to bring it to its knees, and the other one deflated on its own. At least Hitler didn't need to kill his best farmers, he just killed off the fat society really didn't need to begin with.

>>136551092
>capitalism
>nazism
>national socialist
>fascism
What is the fucking difference...right?

>>136551208
Because Hitler rebuilt the country after the devastation of WWI through capitalism and heavily structured welfare programs that paid out in food rather than money for citizens without jobs to aid in building the Autobahn and other important infrastructure.

If he was truly a socialist, why wouldn't he nationalize the businesses? Why would he continue to purchase bullets with money from private German companies? About the only government interference on his part regarding companies was replacing the owners with native born Germans if they were anything else, especially Jews.

>>136551208
The rationing was done by all the players in the war. It's just a fact of life when your country enters a major national conflict like that. Entitlements go bye bye and the government resources are put into the war effort.
Start a freedom farm my fellow Americans, having land tilled and ready to go when shit hits the fan won't hurt none.

>>136550803
Socialism works under a number of circumstances, those circumstances aren't eternal, therefore the main issue with it as a system.

>>136551243
>ended in the Russian Federation

Yeah, it's a real piece of cake now. Hitler fucked himself because he overstepped his vision. That, and we got lucky.

>>136551243
This.

>>136551243
>Hitler's socialism:Took world super powers to end
>Soviet socialism:Collapsed on its own

>>136551243
Is.

>>136551243
gay as shit.

>>136550872
fpbp

>>136551877
Digits confirm truth.

>>136550803
Meh, they had to set things like eugenics in order for the programs to work, which was not practiced in any other socialist country I can think of

>>136551432
Difficult to say if Third Reich would have lasted that long without the wars they started. And no Hitler didn't only kill the farmers, he ended up killing millions of prime German people in his stupid attempts to grab land from other countries.

>>136551092
>There is not a single example of him doing anything other than capitalism
you are ignorant

>About the only government interference on his part regarding companies was replacing the owners with native born Germans
I mean, wow.

>"Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free."
>t. Gaydolf Shitler

Industry was left nominally in the hands of private citizens, but the Reichstag told everyone what to make, how much to make, and how much to charge for it.

>>136551243
>Hitler's socialism: made the jews so butthurt it started another world war
>Soviet socialism: the jews started it and fucked the russians over

>>136550872
yep

>>136551877
Hitlers Socialism:1933-1945
12 years of effort by Allies and Comintern
Soviet Socialism:1917-1995
78 years of economic and political rivalry by every capitalist power.

>>136551533
This, really. I live on two acres and have gardens, fruit/nut trees and planters everywhere. Getting chickens and goats for me and my neighbors. We got a lake running alongside our comfy little town as well.

>>136551208
Nazis separated from the allied banking system IIRC

>>136551208
They got the ''nice shit'' from the countries they invaded

eventually Germany started to sit on bread lines

and maybe the world was sitting on breadlines because Y'know a whole world war and all?

>>136552054
You're wrong and should read Mein Kampf, but I appreciate your Carl the Cuck level of responses.

No one is disputing that Hitler talked like a socialist, I am only disputing his behavior once in power.

>>136551877
End that wouldn't have come for many decades if Hitler could have controlled himself after his first unlawful land grab was forgiven to him by international community, but not after he did the same to a country that had allies.

But hey kudos to him for building an army that could die for nothing for so incredibly long time.

>>136552222
True. Also dijitz.

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>>136551092
third post best post

>>136552078
Laughable to blame Jews for Hitler's own idiocy. If you attack a country with allies, it is to be expected that those allies come after you.

>>136550803
I'll explain in the helicopter, Bernie

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We're talking about the early 30s. They were sitting on breadlines because the entire stock market and economy crashed and the banks didn't actually have anyone's money to give them when they wanted to withdraw what they put in, it was just gone. That's why your great grandma probably hid cash in her walls instead of putting it in a bank. Hitler didn't invade Poland until 39 and before that all they did was take back the Rhineland. The war had not started yet

>>136552222

All war time economies are socialist.

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>>136552461
>If you attack a country with allies, it is to be expected that those allies come after you.
Man that is really activating my almonds....

>>136552619
>before that all they did was take back the Rhineland.
Maybe you should read about the two seperate times they took land from Czheckoslovakia.

>>136550803
It can only work for a people if it's nationalist socialism. Even then if your country grows too large and diverse you're going to have problems.

Natsoc only works when a people are unified in belief, effort, and motivations.

Once you get a socialist regime where one group of people isn't carrying it's weight the whole thing falls apart.

>>136552828
desu you cant blame the allies either

Would they really want to go to war with the soviets even while having Germany on there backs?

>>136552019
>commie education
nice reading comprehension faggot.

>>136552832
Excuse me, Summer 1938.... no difference....

>>136552828
I get what you're implying with USSR and Allies, but it doesen't really change anything about what kind of reaction Germany should have expected from UK and France.

>>136552619
Heard of the anschluss buddy?

What about the annexation of the Czechoslovakia?

What about the annexation of the sudetenland?

Hitler's biggest mistake was thinking you can bomb countries and then be friends with them

>>136553072
Summer / Fall 1938, again, doesn't account for anything that happened between 1929-36

>>136552019
>burger education
disappointing.

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>>136552054
That's a Strasser quote you faggot.

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>>136550803
>socialist claim "national socialism" isn't real socialism
>nazis do the same
>start a bait thread by claiming either party has claimed the opposite

>>136553269
It's been a fun time for all involved

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>>136553189
>Hitlerite delusion
He's right. The entire economy of Nazi Germany was based on debt, and most of it went into the unsustainable rearmament program. And even AynCraps know that Military-Industrial complex spending looks great on employment figures, it doesn't actually grow the economy. Germany would've been bankrupt by 1942 without war.

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>>136552932
They declared on Germany to "protect the freedom of Poland", so why even continue the war if they were unwilling to oust the other Polish invaders?? Hitler attempted to make peace numerous times between '39-'41.

>>136553053
Ok, that wasn't my argument though.

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>>136550803


>"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"

Marxist (Left) socialism and National (Right) Socialism are "antipodal zeitgeists engaged in dialectic". That's a fancy way to say they're opposite ideologies designed to clash, like Yin and Yang.

NatSoc was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while Marxist socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on racial identity. Socialism, in contrast, was a class war between workers, bosses, and owners (Capitalists), aiming to build a workers state in which race and gender were insignificant. Socialists, especially Marxist socialists, were anti-religious atheists, whereas NatSoc went so far as to make Christianity the religion of the state.

The differences go on and on: Marxist socialism was internationalist, NatSoc was nationalist. Marxist socialism was egalitarian, whereas NatSoc believed that nature was unequal and required competition. Marxist socialism wanted to nationalize all private industry, while NatSoc privatized every major industry except the railroads (it considered these a military asset. In fact, Hitler once joked "they didn't need to nationalize property because they nationalized people". NatSoc drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class-focused socialism as a non-German ideology.

NatSoc redefined socialism as "Germanism/Volkism", which they saw as "producer-oriented capitalism", as opposed to "Jewish capitalism", aka, international finance, globalism, wall street, etc. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it. Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength.

Kill yourself.

>>136552444
The natsocs still abolished unearned income and guaranteed the right to employment, which is the true definition of socialism. The welfare state is a capitalist invention, basically bribing the losers in society to not revolt. It was their answer to solving the issue of Marxism and leftist radicalism. The natsoc answer was to find something for the unemployed to do, and jail the malcontents who refused to work out of laziness. They were also generous with gibs to child-bearing families and military vets. They wanted to subsidize success instead of subsidizing failure.

>>136552619
German Winter Relief program didn't end until they lost the war. Nothing wrong with that, but stop acting like it was some thriving paradise society for all the people.

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>>136550803
>philia

>>136553557

What do you think of

>>136553476

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>>136552222
How would nazi Germany invade anywhere if they were poor? How would they afforded a massive army, tanks, high tech (at that time period) weapons? Hitler turned the country's economy around and made it flourish. Remember the Olympic Games that was held in nazi Germany? Jesse Owens even said how nice Berlin was in 1936 and said he was treated far better in Germany than he ever was treated in the US.

>>136550803
>national socialism

>Democratic socialism

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>>136553788
>>136553476


>inb4 "German war machine required constant war"
Their GDP was growing regardless of whether they were actually at war or not, because a military industrial complex (military spending) doesn't require actual war. The US and many other nations today take advantage of this, and spend of their military despite not "being at war".
>inb4 "German military spending was unsustainable"
>German GDP in Billions of Dollars:

>1938 - 351
>1939 - 384
>1940 - 387
>1941 - 412
>1942 - 417
>1943 - 426
>1944 - 437
>1945 - 310

As far as military spending, Germany barely broke the US threshold of 40% of GDP, the entire duration of the war, and spent LESS THAN THEIR RIVALS in preparation building up to war:

>CHART 9 - spending as percent of Germany GDP:

>1935: 8%
>1936: 13%
>1937: 13%
>1938: 17%
>1939: 23%

http://voxeu.org/article/macroeconomics-germany-forgotten-lesson-hjalmar-schacht
http://www.nber.org/chapters/c9480.pdf
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-germany-military-expenditure/

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>>136553476
>Germany went from flat broke shithole to world superpower in 6 years,
>It TOTALLY woulda went bankrupt tho!
>trust me guise I'm a gommunist economic expert
>also gommunism has never been tried
>but Nat Soc has, and it was a proven failure

Do you even hear yourself??

>"Now world capitalism has reached a deadlock, and imperialistic countries are compelled to find their way in reallocation of the world market by their strong military power to open their way out of their deadlock. This means that a world war is inevitable and unavoidable. The outbreak of the China Incident is nothing but the beginning of such a world war."

Quote of Hotzumi Ozaki, Soviet spy ring in Japan, July 1937

So it seems that no matter which country we are talking about, all of the biggest world powers, to some degree, needed to become a war machine in order to pull themselves out of their depression...? Nothing makes Germany special in this regard if that was the case.

>>136554298
wrong, see here >>136554076

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>>136554076
>GDP measures the amount of money in circulation
>Nazis borrows tens of billions
>GDP grows
really makes you think
>a military industrial complex (military spending) doesn't require actual war
>The US and many other nations today take advantage of this, and spend of their military despite not "being at war"
>US
>not at war

>>136553935
Since when has strong army meant that the people must also be rich? People in my country are 30-35 times wealthier than in North Korea, yet their army could beat ours any day of the week.

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So essentially, even though Hitler had Socialist programs to pull the country out of the bottom of the barrel, he was not anti-property (((unless...))) and therefore he wasn't what we conventionally see as a socialist, who we agree as an absolute truth is anti-property? Do socialists even agree that they are anti-property? Maybe we really just need to establish an absolute truth on whether or not socialism is always anti-property.

Democratic socialism works. Just ask Denmark.

Communist socialism does not. Just ask Venezuela.

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>>136554460
>implying interventions in the middle east are the same as a world war
also
>Hilter wanted war despite numerous peace offers to UK which were always rejected.

You have a free hour?
https://youtu.be/1RfwBR_hcG8

>>136555086
Maybe it's just the fact that Danes are smart and Venezuelans are...
I mean, would Venezuela be good as a capitalist society? It would be some banana republic. It can't win, because it's Venezuelans we're dealing with.

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>>136550872

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>>136555086
Do you get all your talking points and buzzwords from old Jews?

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>>136551243

>>136555254
Id say it would work

they have quite a bit of oil on there hands...

>>136555326
too bad he fucked it up with his military ambitions.

>>136551470
Please delete this

>>136555440
sure, doesn't mean it failed cause of the system though

>>136552444
Someone edit this and attribute it to Bernie Sanders.

Then I can post it on facebook and when it gets a bajillion likes I can be like ACTUALLY YOU'RE LIKING A QUOTE FROM HITLER! YOU'VE BEEN RUSED

>>136554183
>top left corner
That is a strasser quote you mong, not a hitler one

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>this entire thread

Hitler objectively did nothing wrong.

>>136555326
what a great rationalization of one of the worlds greatest failed states

name one nation where the workers owned the means of production

>>136555440
He got invaded by a manipulated world

>>136555695
sure he did, he decided that because he was a corporeal in ww1 he knew more then his generals did

>>136555789
*corporal

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>>136555720
Surely you mean the communist states? lasted way longer than fascism/national socialism, in many different countries/cultures, and still failed.

Fascism and national socialism are defeated ideologies, not failed ones. They got banned and put under taboo immediately after the war.

>nazbol
Read pic related, you're a Jewish tool and a meme ideology. No one is taking you seriously.

>>136555326
How can you people claim it worked? Hitler build Germany into highly militarized society because he was going to make them unbeatable with wars and extortion in plans, turns out they weren't and NSADP's way of running things crashed the country in 12 years. That's not a working system, it's a mess.

Counting how many other countries it took to beat them is no kind of defense to their fucked up model.

>>136550803
you faggots need to get this straight, it is fucking not difficult. the terms RIGHT and LEFT derive from the french revolutionary assemblies where the republicans sat on the RIGHT and social revolutionaries sat on the LEFT. German National Socialism and Italian Fascism were both political movements of the RIGHT ie they were reactionary and opposed to social revolution. Bolshevik Communism, Social Democracy, etc. were political movements of the LEFT.

Prior to WWII, industrial, communication and transportation advances made centralized state controlled economies inevitable. All western industrialized powers developed centralized state run ie "socialist" economies during this time period and we still have them today. All trade is run through centralized macro-economic policies. the term "socialist" in national socialism is simply reflective of that shift but it the common usage of it is a misnomer.

Democrats are not the real fascists, you stupid faggots

Hitlers germany was badly in debt in 1939.
All of their programs and economic up were funded by loans

>>136555766
In hungary. The "workers" owned everything, and the humble caretakers the communist party handled it in a just way.
Ha! I'm joking, the regime owned both the means of prod and the people.

The thing with Hitler is that he was like George Washington, you knew he actually cared about the country in a regular guy type of way but a lot more extreme.

The citizens truly trusted him, and he trusted them. We have never seen that in a politician except for those couple of years before they put a bullet in JFK.

No matter which politician you like, you subtly know that they are just a puppet with a web of their own connections trying to make their money go around. No matter who they are. People like Hitler had this grandiose drug induced manic view of their country, and that's what the people crave. Lots of criticism can be thrown his way but he definitely at least tried to follow through on what they wanted from him

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>>136552444
>unironically posting "but it's not true socialism"

>>136555766
Every nation where citizens are allowed to own mines, factories, bakeries, plumbing companies etc.

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Socialists (Marxian) demand that the "means of production should be owned by the workers", so yeah they are definitionally anti-private property (capital).

Your quick summary of Hitler's policies was more or less correct. He implemented some redistributive/regulatory policies that could be considered "socialist", but he did not advocate the seizure of the M.O.P.
>which means he was definitively NOT a socialist

Nat Soc is about the individual sacrificing for the sake of the group.
Socialism is about the group sacrificing for the sake of more equality.

They are fundamentally completely different concepts.

>>136555939
stalins form of communism achieved everything that soviet union wanted, he knew that it would be doomed without him. hitler sunk his own ship before it even could sail. a defeated ideology IS a failed ideology quit with the damage control

>le jew me-me

>>136555998
its kinda amazing how well Hitlers Nazi Germany was able to resist the attack for so long they did.

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>>136550803

>imageflip watermark

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>>136556285
>achieved everything
>had to invade eastern european countries to sustain itself

>>136556586
fuck no. the wehrmacht was unequaled. they just started off low on resources and surrounded by enemies. Hitler made a couple strategic mistakes such as Dunkirk. and there were some organizational cluster fuck problems. for instance, they had Heisenberg, they should have gotten the atom bomb first, but he was sandbagging them and they couldn't catch him

>>136556260
>Nat Soc vs Soc
>Nat Soc is about the individual sacrificing for the sake of the group
Nationalism or that kind of feelings aren't exclusive to Nazis. You can find that kind of people from hardcore Venezuelan communists.

>>136556769
>had to invade eastern european countries to sustain itself

didnt germany invade all of western europe and eastern europe to sustain itself? the countries of the future eastern bloc proved to be a drain on the soviet economy and helped in its downfall

>National socialism vs internationalist socialism

Gee it's almost like globalism is shit and globalistic ideology fucks itself over

>>136551243
>Russian federation

So cities in ruins

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>>136555521

>>136552273
>behaviour once in power

Can't quickly transition your economic system especially not when you're fighting a war
Even getting rid of globalism from capitalism helped Germany out of the depression

>>136556586
>resist the attack
They were the attack in many places. Also it's stupid to turn it into any Hitler or Nazi worship thing. Germans always had very professional army from Prussian times to WW1, nothing revolutionary happened with Nazis.

>>136551470
>why wouldn't he nationalize the businesses?

Because he "nationalized" the labor force. Basically NSDAP acted as one huge labor union. Capitalists paid fair wages or faced union goons (brown shirts, black shirts or even gestapo) fucking up their shit.

>>136552619
>hide cash in the walls instead of taking it to a bank

I actually do that with most of my money. Don't trust the (((bank)))

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>>136556984
>UK and France declare war on Germany and reject Hitler's peace offers
>France gets invaded as a result
>UK retreats
>Churchill still refuses peace after Dunkirk
>Somehow Hitler wanted to conquer Europe

Same for Poland. UK made Poland refuse Germany's offers and after the murders of ethnic germans at Danzig, Hitler had enough.
Poland had a weak military, was punked by UK to be aggressive against Germany, then after the war it got abandoned to communists. see pic .

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>>136556174
What the absolute fuck are you talking about moron? "It's not true socialism" is a No True Scotsman defense used by socialists after a left wing government that claimed to be "REAL socialism" fails.
>protecting a universal generalization from counterexamples

My argument is almost the exact opposite of that, I am trying to DESTROY a universal generalization with positive examples.

>ITT fucking idiots don't understand the concept of what the third position is

NatSocs aren't capitalists and they aren't "(Marxist) socialists" and any attempt to try to define them as such just fucks up

>>136557278
is all you can do is blame others for the fall of nazi germany? you fascist larpers are more delusional then the commies, i just use this flag because you guys sperg out at the mere sight of a hammer and sickle

>>136557278
'We take only this and that field from Poland and then it's end of war okay' is not a peace offer, it's a compromise attempt after noticing in how much trouble he got his country into.

>>136557196
except that they flourished while the others struggled, got attacked by the world and still managed to pose a serious threat when it retaliated in self defense.

>>136557554
why do you ignore the previous attempts? Many solutions were offered, the invasion only started after Poland fired the first shots towards the German border. This is recorded history, just like it is recorded history that the first to order bomb strikes on civilians on purpose was Churchill

>>136550803
Press the left button because Hitler and his socialism failed.

Don't think everyone here is a stormfag.
Most people post Hitler as ironical shitposting.

>>136551877
You do know that the major reason for invading Czechia and Poland was the economic failure of Germany?

>>136557606
What countries declared war on them other than allies of Poland? You're a NATO country, your thinking is as absurd as when someone would claim after Russia invades Norway that anyone who retaliates that attack is the aggressor against Russia.

Are you that blind to shit you favorite country did?

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>>136556874
Never said the feelings were "exclusive", but they certainly aren't the main focus (or even a common requirement) of Socialism.

A socialist/communist would much rather reduce inequality than increase GDP if given a choice between the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR7WW3XR9c

>>136557730
How about the solution of just not going to war against Poland at all? Too hard condition for the most peaceful regime in Europe?

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>>136558161
>right enemy
Pic related

>>136558436
(((rent-seekers)))

>>136553476
>reading comprehension
honestly just kill yourself.

>>136558090
the situation was very different, try reading history instead of coming here and trying to damage control every time someone blast you with reality
bad troll or really stupid?

>>136558247
Poland should have thought about that when they ignored the other suggestions and even said no even to have a conversation about all the germans living in poland.
they should also have thought about that before initiating the conflict by firing first

>>136550803
Easy, don't be a fucking nazi retard.
Hitler is just as big of a loser as any other socialist.

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>>136558247
its also amusing how you have a flag that represent something that regardless of political stance objectively have been way worse for the world. The most brutal system ever attempted is the bloody abomination that your flag represent

>>136550803
He only borrowed the term. He rejected Marxism. This can be seen when he purged the SA of socialists.

Night of the long knives

>>136550803
You dont. All socialism is shit. The best government is in between fascism and capitalism with minimal restrictions or alphabet bureaucracies like the EPA

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>>136558161
>>136558481
I have got a plan to buy up houses to rent out, allow neet lifestyle with wife and give safe retirement. Am I with the bad guys now?

>>136550872
Reminder that communism is SO terrible that it broke the East Germans.

>>136560959
I mean, yeah kinda.
>extracting wealth from your society without creating any

As long as you pump out some white kids and don't fuck over your white tenants we can let this kikery slide I suppose

>>136560335
If something here is damage control it's everything you're saying when you can't come to terms with the fact that practically nobody declared war on Germany without coming to defend someone else from their aggression.

>>136560398
I suppose threatening to bomb other countries unless they capitulate and then demanding land from others gets everyone's trigger finger little itchy. Only reasonable response from German government was naturally to wreck them with panzers that were luckily fueled up and ready to go.

>>136550803
It has never worked.

>>136552152
One involved the second most destructive war in human history and Germany's cities literally bombed back to the stone age.
The other was proxy and economic wars on the surface while behind the curtain they were transferring Marxist ideology to the West in preparation of the USSR's eventual collapse.

>>136560592
I don't really give a shit about being politically zealous about any ideology, just chose the first thing that came into my mind from OP. If my flag is somehow relevant I can try putting on pirate flag, yarr!

>>136557203
So the effect is like Capitalism with a minimum wage, and other liberal regulating policies.

>>136554559
That's more to do with Visceral Barbarianism, rather to do with Socialism/Communism vs civilized capitalist countries.

>>136556222
Yet in practice that's never the case. The best option Communists have is to have a computer manage everything, but that's unlikely without general artificial intelligence, and is more akin to Technological Slavery than Communism.